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TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 07:07 PM
Berman and McClain on Twitter. For an "undisclosed draft choice"

****.

ThaShark316
03-20-2012, 07:07 PM
http://i40.tinypic.com/24or6ug.jpg

Agreed with Glazer. Looking like 3rd or 4th. If we get a 2nd, I'm going Dave Chappelle style...

pirbroke
03-20-2012, 07:10 PM
what, holy crap

Naiirb
03-20-2012, 07:10 PM
WOW talk about a stunner

https://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL/status/182241476170874881

"Texans are trading MLB DeMeco Ryans to Eagles for undisclosed draft choice. The trade is contingent on Ryans' passing a physical Wednesday."

rmartin65
03-20-2012, 07:10 PM
This has promise... sorry to see him go (if true) but his cap hit is pretty high. Hopefully we get the BC backer in the draft now. He could drop, or there could be a trade up.

Wolf
03-20-2012, 07:10 PM
I need a freaking beer .. if pancake is right

clutch
03-20-2012, 07:11 PM
at least a 1st or a 2nd please...

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 07:11 PM
****ing bull****.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:12 PM
ugh, I'm starting to get pessimistic on this season. I don't like where we are headed so far.

rmartin65
03-20-2012, 07:12 PM
Trade people- would Ryans plus Texans' 2nd get us the Iggles first?

pirbroke
03-20-2012, 07:12 PM
how high do you think the pick is

Naiirb
03-20-2012, 07:12 PM
This begs the question how is this pick? Doubt the Eagles would their 1st. Maybe their 2nd or 3rd? I'm thinking best case it their 3rd pick.

Kimmy
03-20-2012, 07:13 PM
Wow ...

thunderkyss
03-20-2012, 07:13 PM
I just heard it on NFL Network.

wolf123
03-20-2012, 07:14 PM
It won't be for a high pick. Don't even set yourself up for that let down!:pissed:

Nawzer
03-20-2012, 07:14 PM
Rick Smith is doing to the Texans what Michael Bay is going to do with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Showtime100
03-20-2012, 07:14 PM
how high do you think the pick is

My money is not high enough. If it's a 4th I'm pissed. A 2nd might work.

Fili
03-20-2012, 07:14 PM
Fail the physical!

Wolf
03-20-2012, 07:14 PM
ugh, I'm starting to get pessimistic on this season. I don't like where we are headed so far.

I am too. Rick Smith better draft GREAT!

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:14 PM
Jay Glazer said it was a "mid rounder"...so a 4th or 5th round pick I assume.

Wolf6151
03-20-2012, 07:14 PM
Please me tell this ain't a joke?

Naiirb
03-20-2012, 07:15 PM
According to Glazer it's a mid round pick.

https://twitter.com/#!/JayGlazer/status/182242736710225921

"Eagles sending mid rounder to Texans for Pro Bowler Ryans. Win-win trade for both teams"

macho grande
03-20-2012, 07:15 PM
Just saw it on NFLN. I'm speechless. Not sure what to think about this. Who are these Texans??

Lucky
03-20-2012, 07:15 PM
how high do you think the pick is
More than a 3rd and I'd be surprised. The cap problems must be worse than imagined. Hopefully, they can re-sign Dobbins.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:15 PM
I am too. Rick Smith better draft GREAT!

he never does...last year was Wade. Frankly last years FA's were Wade's idea too. I don't give Rick Smith much credit.

Fili
03-20-2012, 07:16 PM
Please tell this ain't a joke?

Unless he fails the physical he's an Eagle...

Playoffs
03-20-2012, 07:16 PM
Hmmm....

My Spidey trade-up in 1st round senses are tingling.

Pantherstang84
03-20-2012, 07:16 PM
I'm going to miss Meco, but this a good move for him. He really didn't fit in Wade's defense. However, Meco's got game and I may have to watch the Iggles games to see him thump.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:16 PM
More than a 3rd and I'd be surprised. The cap problems must be worse than imagined. Hopefully, they can re-sign Dobbins.
Replacing Ryans with Dobbins is a downgrade...big time.

pirbroke
03-20-2012, 07:16 PM
Eagles have #15, #46 in 2nd, #51 in 2nd,

rmartin65
03-20-2012, 07:16 PM
Mid rounder? Not liking the sound of that.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:16 PM
Darryl Sharpton is the new starter I guess....ugh.

Playoffs
03-20-2012, 07:17 PM
Darryl Sharpton is the new starter I guess....ugh.Sharpton equaled/outplayed Demeco, imo.


Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite Open
#Eagles must not have had a very high FA grade on Curtis Lofton. Ryans isn't cheap. Remaining base salaries are $5.9 million, $6.6 million.

rolyat93
03-20-2012, 07:17 PM
I am too. Rick Smith better draft GREAT!
More like Wade better draft great.:)

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:17 PM
Hmmm....

My Spidey trade-up in 1st round senses are tingling.
I'd call you a homer but its just redundant...no way we trade up.

Wolf
03-20-2012, 07:17 PM
Texan talk Banner is the new Madden cover

:kitten:

get Jacoby's ass on that banner

Hardcore Texan
03-20-2012, 07:17 PM
WTH!!!!

I hope we have some kinda master plan in the making.

Demeco has been the heart and soul of this team, it's going to be hard to watch him go.

b0ng
03-20-2012, 07:18 PM
Damn.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:18 PM
Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite Open
#Eagles must not have had a very high FA grade on Curtis Lofton. Ryans isn't cheap. Remaining base salaries are $5.9 million, $6.6 million.
Eagles took on his salary because he can play at a high level. Now that he's back in a 4-3 he'll shine and we'll end up looking stupid.

EmDiggy
03-20-2012, 07:18 PM
Ryans is getting the "Vilma" treatment when the Jets switched to the 3-4...

Grams
03-20-2012, 07:19 PM
NO, NO NO please tell me that is false?????

c10x
03-20-2012, 07:19 PM
My guess is either a 3rd or a 4th. Won't be lower than a 4th, and won't be better than a 3rd.

bckey
03-20-2012, 07:19 PM
Jay Glazer said it was a "mid rounder"...so a 4th or 5th round pick I assume.

That would suck. Don't like this if that is all the Texans get. It looks like the 2006 draft (the Texans best) is about gone.

thunderkyss
03-20-2012, 07:19 PM
Sharpton outplayed Demeco, imo.


Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite Open
#Eagles must not have had a very high FA grade on Curtis Lofton. Ryans isn't cheap. Remaining base salaries are $5.9 million, $6.6 million.

Dream Team

ItsMyFault
03-20-2012, 07:20 PM
Damn, Demeco was a leader for that defense. He'll be missed.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:20 PM
My guess is either a 3rd or a 4th. Won't be lower than a 4th, and won't be better than a 3rd.
second and thirds are early picks...."mid rounder" (if that's the actual case) will be a 4th or a 5th...mark my words.

chicagotexan2
03-20-2012, 07:21 PM
I was down on demeco this season but he was coming off a serious injury. I expected him to be much better next season. Damn if I were Owen Daniels is be nervous. Someone in the front office is offing the class of 2006. Kubiak watch your back jack.

Kimmy
03-20-2012, 07:21 PM
I think the texans are starting to believe their own hype ..

:overreact:

Playoffs
03-20-2012, 07:21 PM
second and thirds are early picks...."mid rounder" (if that's the actual case) will be a 4th or a 5th...mark my words.Agree. End of career, bionic arm...

rmartin65
03-20-2012, 07:21 PM
second and thirds are early picks...."mid rounder" (if that's the actual case) will be a 4th or a 5th...mark my words.

3rd could be mid round... could be.

I rank 1 and 2 as "high", 3-4 as "mid" and the rest are late. That said, just my terminology. I have heard 3rd being considered as high.

Texecutioner
03-20-2012, 07:21 PM
Man, if all we got for Demeco Ryans who has the potential to be a great MLB for the Eagles team which they desperately need is just another thing I'll add to the list that makes Rick Smith an amateur.

Now if we got a 2nd rounder I'd say that is great value for both teams. But if all we got was a 4th or lower than that, we pretty much gave Demeco away to a team that will really benefit big time from this trade.

Happy for Demeco though. I really like his potential on the Eagles. He'll be a great addition to that team.

I have heard 3rd being considered as high.

I sure as hell don't. Sure, you can find a very good player in the 3rd, but you can very easily find a bust there as well. I think Demeco has the potential to really help a team in need of a MLB who can be a team leader.

If I had a team with some strong pieces, but really needed a MLB, I'd have no problem trading a 2nd round pick for a strong vet like Demeco over some rookie in the 2nd round.

Fili
03-20-2012, 07:22 PM
Draft picks Eagles have http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012-nfc-east-draft-picks/eagles-2012-draft-picks/

pirbroke
03-20-2012, 07:22 PM
Currently the Eagles have draft pick numbers 15, 46, 51, 77, 99, 114, 146, 177, 185, and 192 plus two compensation picks, probably in the 6th round

JCTexan
03-20-2012, 07:22 PM
****, Ryans was the leader on this defense. I will surely miss watching him in a Texans uniform.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:22 PM
Dan Graziano ‏ @espn_nfceast Reply Retweet Favorite Open
My quick take is that DeMeco Ryans is a fantastic pickup for the Eagles for a mid-round pick.most people are tweeting that its a mid rounder

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:24 PM
Man, if all we got for Demeco Ryans who has the potential to be a great MLB for the Eagles team which they desperately need is just another thing I'll add to the list that makes Rick Smith an amateur.

Now if we got a 2nd rounder I'd say that is great value for both teams. But if all we got was a 4th or lower than that, we pretty much gave Demeco away to a team that will really benefit big time from this trade.

Happy for Demeco though. I really like his potential on the Eagles. He'll be a great addition to that team.I think they did this because they didn't manage the cap well. They unloaded salary. This isn't a football decision....we will all know this when Ryans plays well next season.

ThaShark316
03-20-2012, 07:24 PM
http://www.spike.com/video-clips/8q0fsv/atl-this-is-grown-man-business

"You know this is grown man business, don't cha?"

http://i43.tinypic.com/r1c31g.jpg

Nawzer
03-20-2012, 07:24 PM
The thing with not signing Winston, Brisiel, and Mario was that we think there are some players already on the team that can replace those loses. But who's going to replace Ryans? He was coming off an injury and he played well towards the end of the season. Guys like Sharpton and Dobbins in no way in my mind are ready to step into that role. Besides being able to play well, Ryans was a leader in this defense along with Cushing and there's something to be said about locker room morale. This one really has me questioning what is going on in the front office and what Wade Phillips has to do with this. This city will NOT tolerate a step back and if I'm a player on the Texans, specially if I'm AJ, Schaub, Cushing, and Foster I'm worried about the direction of the team.

bckey
03-20-2012, 07:24 PM
Looks like linebacker will be a priority in this years draft now that the Texans lost Mario and DeMeco. :pissed:

Lucky
03-20-2012, 07:24 PM
Jay Glazer said it was a "mid rounder"...so a 4th or 5th round pick I assume.
The Eagles have an extra 4th round pick from a trade with the Bucs.

Replacing Ryans with Dobbins is a downgrade...big time.
I thought Dobbins played really well in the Titans game at the end of the season. He was also in the goal line defense and came up big vs. the Ravens. Ryans had become a 2 down player and lost some of his on field value. The leadership he brought? Well, someone (Cushing?) will need to step up.

Not a real believer in Sharpton. Not a thumper in the run game. Maybe a nickel LB. The Texans probably just found another need in the draft (but not in the early rounds).

Naiirb
03-20-2012, 07:25 PM
2006 draft classed demolished. Lone notable is Owen Daniels eek

Showtime100
03-20-2012, 07:25 PM
second and thirds are early picks...."mid rounder" (if that's the actual case) will be a 4th or a 5th...mark my words.

Agreed

3rd could be mid round... could be.

I rank 1 and 2 as "high", 3-4 as "mid" and the rest are late. That said, just my terminology. I have heard 3rd being considered as high.

I haven't, but I like the hope you give me!

Naiirb
03-20-2012, 07:26 PM
Update from McClain

https://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL/status/182246637127737344

"The Texans' deal for DeMeco Ryans involves undisclosed multiple picks in next month's draft."

Kimmy
03-20-2012, 07:26 PM
Add another jersey to the pile waiting to send to the homeless in Indonesia ....

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:27 PM
The Eagles have an extra 4th round pick from a trade with the Bucs.


I thought Dobbins played really well in the Titans game at the end of the season. He was also in the goal line defense and came up big vs. the Ravens. Ryans had become a 2 down player and lost some of his on field value. The leadership he brought? Well, someone (Cushing?) will need to step up.

Not a real believer in Sharpton. Not a thumper in the run game. Maybe a nickel LB. The Texans probably just found another need in the draft (but not in the early rounds).

I'd bet we get that extra 4th rounder. So far we have lost Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans, Eric Winston, and Mike Brisiel. We've added...a mid-round pick from Philly. Probably the 4th rounder.

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 07:27 PM
I am so sick of my teams getting rid of the players that should not be dealt no matter what.

Trading Ryans for a "mid-round pick" is offensive, no matter what his cap hit was.

ThaShark316
03-20-2012, 07:27 PM
MULTIPLE picks.

Rick Smith, ladies and gents.

Grams
03-20-2012, 07:28 PM
Add another jersey to the pile waiting to send to the homeless in Indonesia ....

The only jersey I have is a 59 and an old 8 (Carr) - think I will quit buying jerseys. :(

Kimmy
03-20-2012, 07:29 PM
The only jersey I have is a 59 and an old 8 (Carr) - think I will quit buying jerseys. :(

NO! Please buy a Jacoby one hahahaha

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 07:29 PM
MULTIPLE picks.

Rick Smith, ladies and gents.

It damn well BETTER be multiple picks.

pirbroke
03-20-2012, 07:29 PM
MULTIPLE picks.

Rick Smith, ladies and gents.

thats sounding better

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:30 PM
thats sounding better
until you realize that its a 4th and a 6th.

XI CMURDER IX
03-20-2012, 07:30 PM
I think we might see Vontaze Burfict at some point in a Texans uniform, too.

Playoffs
03-20-2012, 07:30 PM
MULTIPLE picks.

Rick Smith, ladies and gents.
Probably a pick & a pick position swap.... not expecting a lot.

SheTexan
03-20-2012, 07:30 PM
I just can't take this sheeeeet anymore!! I don't drink booze much, but, I sure as hell am tonight!! All the rest of the things I have to say CANNOT be posted on this MB!! I feel SICK!! Maybe I'll just call it quits with this crap and call the Texans tomorrow and ask for my money back on my already paid for season tickets. I'll just get drunk first, sleep on it, and then decide tomorrow!! If anyone's interested in season tickets check the ticket forum tomorrow. Not saying I will, but, sure thinking about it.

pirbroke
03-20-2012, 07:30 PM
The only jersey I have is a 59 and an old 8 (Carr) - think I will quit buying jerseys. :(

order one with your own name on it, them things coast alot to replace every year.

bckey
03-20-2012, 07:30 PM
I think they did this because they didn't manage the cap well. They unloaded salary. This isn't a football decision....we will all know this when Ryans plays well next season.


I never thought Rick Smith was a great gm but now I'm starting to wonder if he is even average. He is dicing up the Texans with no regard to the players impact on the field and in the locker room. DeMeco is a leader that will be missed. Too bad he went to the Eagles because I can't stand that team.

Showtime100
03-20-2012, 07:31 PM
Add another jersey to the pile waiting to send to the homeless in Indonesia ....

Keep it! I think honoring an ex-player, especially a good and well-liked one, is fully within unspoken rules come gameday.

Pantherstang84
03-20-2012, 07:31 PM
NO! Please buy a Jacoby one hahahaha

Yes buy a Jacoby one.

chicagotexan2
03-20-2012, 07:31 PM
Texan talk Banner is the new Madden cover

:kitten:

get Jacoby's ass on that banner

Schit. If this were American idol or dancing with the stars jadopey jones would be the sanjaya and Bristol palin.

Who wants to buy my Texans tshirts with the 2012 mantra. 'Next man out'

Lucky
03-20-2012, 07:31 PM
Sharpton equaled/outplayed Demeco, imo..
When did Sharpton do that? He hardly played last year.

Texecutioner
03-20-2012, 07:32 PM
I think they did this because they didn't manage the cap well. They unloaded salary. This isn't a football decision....we will all know this when Ryans plays well next season.

Well that's a big obvious at this point isn't Vinny.


Kind of why I get a good chuckle out of the Rick Smith homers in here.


Honestly, I don't think it would be a bad move had the Eagles traded a 2nd rounder for a guy like Demeco. Proven player, proven leader, and a hard worker that fills a "major need" on their team. But hey, with a negotiator like Smith, they snag him for probably a 4th rounder. :kubepalm:

Kimmy
03-20-2012, 07:34 PM
I just can't take this sheeeeet anymore!! I don't drink booze much, but, I sure as hell am tonight!! All the rest of the things I have to say CANNOT be posted on this MB!! I feel SICK!! Maybe I'll just call it quits with this crap and call the Texans tomorrow and ask for my money back on my already paid for season tickets. I'll just get drunk first, sleep on it, and then decide tomorrow!! If anyone's interested in season tickets check the ticket forum tomorrow. Not saying I will, but, sure thinking about it.

Don't you dare! I'll drive down to Ptown and slap your hand!!

This is the team we support. Good or bad .. it's been more bad than good, I feel you on that, but we all gotta hang in.

Plus, tattoo removal is PAINFUL! ;)

GlassHalfFull
03-20-2012, 07:34 PM
Awwwww, this hurts.

Losing a quality player and leader and person.

I had a ton of respect for Demeco.

And dayum, my jerseys are all gonna be outdated. The good news is my son does have a Jacoby jersey.........

kingh99
03-20-2012, 07:34 PM
3rd would be awesome. We have inside backer depth. Sharpton can play. Dobbins blew up on that goal line stand. Demeco is a quality person but IMO, he's been somewhat living off his rookie reputation for 4 years. Tackling machine as a rookie. Trouble keeping up with TE's in coverage. Had visions of him being Cornelius Bennett to Mario Bruce Smith Williams. Never panned out that way but he and Mario were the foundation. Now they are gone. Good luck to him going forward.

ItsMyFault
03-20-2012, 07:35 PM
Is it multiple picks or a singular pick?

houstonspartan
03-20-2012, 07:35 PM
I think what's going on is clear: Rick bungled the salary cap. The GM's NUMBER ONE JOB is to manage the salary cap, and he blew it.

So we get ONE YEAR of a good team.

Un-freaking-believable.

TexansMVP
03-20-2012, 07:36 PM
Sad to see one of my favorite players go. Better know what your doing, Rick.

GP
03-20-2012, 07:36 PM
Multiple picks. I like it.

I won't cry and piss and moan like so many of you are. What, you thought we'd keep players from 6 years ago and pay them $5 mill-per???

Man, the level of doom and gloom is amazing. I guess there's no reason for Gary and Wade and Rick to even bother attending the draft. According to most, we should sit out the 2012 year altogether.

Pull yourselves together and act like we are finally a successful team who can let an overpriced 6-year vet (or three) go. Geez.

TEXANJAK
03-20-2012, 07:36 PM
Unbelievable, I did not see this coming.

ItsMyFault
03-20-2012, 07:36 PM
I think what's going on is clear: Rick bungled the salary cap. The GM's NUMBER ONE JOB is to manage the salary cap, and he blew it.

So we get ONE YEAR of a good team.

Un-freaking-believable.

Oh well, we can expect to contend in another 10 years after Cushing leaves in 2014.

Pantherstang84
03-20-2012, 07:36 PM
I'm just glad the organization treated him right on this. Sent him somewhere he can be successful. This had to be a very difficult decision.

Lucky
03-20-2012, 07:36 PM
Who wants to buy my Texans tshirts with the 2012 mantra. 'Next man out'
OK, that made me laugh.

There was rumor last week (or the week before) that Ryans would be cut. Instead, the Texans get a draft choice. If a 4th is the best they could get, and were dumping Ryans' salary anyway, I'm not sure how the trade can be bashed on the merits of "not getting enough".

TexansSeminole
03-20-2012, 07:37 PM
I'd bet we get that extra 4th rounder. So far we have lost Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans, Eric Winston, and Mike Brisiel. We've added...a mid-round pick from Philly. Probably the 4th rounder.

I was thinking a 4th rounder so that makes since.

Why couldn't we get a pick for Eric Winston? I still don't understand that. Not even a 6th rounder!?

Texecutioner
03-20-2012, 07:37 PM
I never thought Rick Smith was a great gm but now I'm starting to wonder if he is even average. He is dicing up the Texans with no regard to the players impact on the field and in the locker room. DeMeco is a leader that will be missed. Too bad he went to the Eagles because I can't stand that team.

Go to the thread I started and look at everyone calling me this big knee jerker over Smith. This isn't surprising really.

Honestly I think Demeco is still 2nd round material.

Allstar
03-20-2012, 07:37 PM
Sad to see him go, but it sure beats the hell out of releasing him!

NastyNate
03-20-2012, 07:38 PM
Well that's a big obvious at this point isn't Vinny.


Kind of why I get a good chuckle out of the Rick Smith homers in here.


Honestly, I don't think it would be a bad move had the Eagles traded a 2nd rounder for a guy like Demeco. Proven player, proven leader, and a hard worker that fills a "major need" on their team. But hey, with a negotiator like Smith, they snag him for probably a 4th rounder. :kubepalm:

For a guy that plays less than 50% of our snaps and is going to collect 6 million this year? It's a perfect move. Although not bad in our 3-4, he's nothing special. Plenty of draft talent that can play at Demeco 2011 level and better for way less coin and who can actually play 60-70% of the snaps. This is actually a really solid move for Meco too as he'll shine in that Defense.

We're better off for this. Sharpton showed good promise before he tore his quad, and if we target Burfict from ASU, we'll be better off.

Calm down people, this is an excellent trade.

Grams
03-20-2012, 07:39 PM
Multiple picks. I like it.



Reports are 1 mid-roung pick

Playoffs
03-20-2012, 07:39 PM
I'm just glad the organization treated him right on this. Sent him somewhere he can be successful. This had to be a very difficult decision.Yep, remember the struggles rookie Matthews had there...

Lucky
03-20-2012, 07:39 PM
Why couldn't we get a pick for Eric Winston? I still don't understand that. Not even a 6th rounder!?
I think it had to be a timing issue, more than anything. The Texans had to clear cap to sign Myers. Probably were concerned that if they waited to get a late pick for Winston, another team would snag Myers.

ItsMyFault
03-20-2012, 07:39 PM
Reports are 1 mid-roung pick

Pancakes says otherwise.

John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL Reply Retweet Favorite Open
The Texans' deal for DeMeco Ryans involves undisclosed multiple picks in next month's draft.

ArlingtonTexan
03-20-2012, 07:39 PM
Currently the Eagles have draft pick numbers 15, 46, 51, 77, 99, 114, 146, 177, 185, and 192 plus two compensation picks, probably in the 6th round

My guess is that it one of the 4th rounders.

Ryan
03-20-2012, 07:40 PM
Wow. Wow. Wow.



$^$^ you Rick Smith and your cap "genius" Chris Olsen.

Texecutioner
03-20-2012, 07:40 PM
Multiple picks. I like it.

I won't cry and piss and moan like so many of you are. What, you thought we'd keep players from 6 years ago and pay them $5 mill-per???

Man, the level of doom and gloom is amazing. I guess there's no reason for Gary and Wade and Rick to even bother attending the draft. According to most, we should sit out the 2012 year altogether.

Pull yourselves together and act like we are finally a successful team who can let an overpriced 6-year vet (or three) go. Geez.

GP, we've had one successful season out of 6 with this regime, and not only have they not filled any holes, but they're dropping solid vets like crazy.

If Wade wasn't here to run this defense, this team would be really hurting right now under Smithiak. I won't forget what our "overall" record is behind our current leadership.

JimBaker488
03-20-2012, 07:40 PM
When healty DeMeco is a very valuable play - as the MLB in a 4-3, but not as a part-time ILB in Wades defense, especially at his comp level. Therefor he became expendible. It's just business.

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 07:40 PM
"Not a big deal."

"Excellent trade."

Yeah, I like letting unquestioned team leaders go too.

Showtime100
03-20-2012, 07:40 PM
Reports are 1 mid-roung pick

At the moment I'm hearing both scenarios. Early rumors I guess.

Playoffs
03-20-2012, 07:40 PM
Chris Mortensen ‏ @mortreport Reply Retweet Favorite Open
Eagles huge get by trading for Texans LB DeMeco Ryans.

13m Mark Berman ‏ @MarkBermanFox26 Reply Retweet Favorite Open
The Texans will actually receive multiple undisclosed draft picks in return for trading LB DeMeco Ryans to the Eagles. He must pass physical


Could be conditional, which means not this year?

fiasco west
03-20-2012, 07:41 PM
Man this one really hurts.

We are trading away a solid veteran AND leader for what? Some green rookie?
I think this trade is a mistake, you can't replace veteran leadership on what is a playoff team.

Texans have built through the draft and now it's like they are trying to do it again when it is not needed.

Unless there's a first involved, I think Meco has been huge for this team and he looked great in the playoffs and I think the only reason he had a average season was because of him recovering from the arm.

Kimmy
03-20-2012, 07:41 PM
Watching JJ & Antonio on NFL Network ... they were shocked to say the least

GuerillaBlack
03-20-2012, 07:41 PM
According to La Canfora, we get their fourth and swap our third round picks.

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 07:41 PM
We get a 4th and swap 3rds.

Worthless.

TEXANJAK
03-20-2012, 07:42 PM
Wade did us right in the draft. I think I will put my trust in who he picks up in the draft.

Playoffs
03-20-2012, 07:42 PM
According to La Canfora, we get their fourth and swap amour third round picks.
Excellent deal.

You know Wade signed off on this.

pirbroke
03-20-2012, 07:42 PM
It sucks to lose leaders and quality guys but if he was not a full time player anymore we could use the draft picks or extra money for FA for more of a 4 down player. It is a smart choice if you have a confidence you can find that type of player. heck todays NFL defense is more nickle than anything so use ther extra money to find a WR or something. I am cool with it.

JimBaker488
03-20-2012, 07:42 PM
Well that's a big obvious at this point isn't Vinny.


This Vinny guy is real good at recognizing the obvious isn't he ?

Texecutioner
03-20-2012, 07:42 PM
For a guy that plays less than 50% of our snaps and is going to collect 6 million this year? It's a perfect move. Although not bad in our 3-4, he's nothing special. Plenty of draft talent that can play at Demeco 2011 level and better for way less coin and who can actually play 60-70% of the snaps.

We're better off for this. Sharpton showed good promise before he tore his quad, and if we target Burfict from ASU, we'll be better off.

Calm down people, this is an excellent trade.

Excellent trade my ass. I understand what you're saying about his cap money and all, and why we didn't need him as much in this current defense, but Demeco has more value than a mid rounder. He's still a very capable guy who can be a great MLB for any team that runs a 4-3 or any other type of defensive scheme where Demeco's skills fit well. He's still pretty young and also a great team leader. He is 2nd round material.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:43 PM
Duane Brown ‏ @DuaneBrown76 Reply Retweeted Favorite Open
Really cant believe this one here........Duane Brown unhappy

Texanator
03-20-2012, 07:43 PM
It's all part of the Houston legacy. Build something great, show all the signs of becoming an elite team, then toss it down the crapper.
This town has done this same thing with all their sports teams.
I guess I was a fool to hope that MAYBE the Texans would be any different.
:wadepalm:

Allstar
03-20-2012, 07:44 PM
This Vinny guy is real good at recognizing the obvious isn't he ?

Great contribution.

GP
03-20-2012, 07:44 PM
So much overreaction....

We truly live in an A.D.D. world.

How 'bout everyone wait and see what happens.

We finally get MULTIPLE picks for a guy, an oft-injured guy who counts against the cap, and Rick Smith is an amateur, bungled the cap, and we're "screwed."

We got nothing for Carr, Dunta, Okoye, and Mario...but we get multiple picks for a guy with a messed up shoulder and messed up elbow who also blew an achilles, too, and THAT single move "proves" Rick Smith is a goat????

Continue with the funeral dirge, guys and gals.

XI CMURDER IX
03-20-2012, 07:44 PM
Crap deal, and a waste of talent. There were way better options to either release or trade on the team at this point.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:44 PM
netting only a 4thJason La Canfora ‏ @JasonLaCanfora Reply Retweet Favorite Open
Eagles announce they acquire Ryans for a 4th round pick and the clubs also swap 3rd rounders #freeagency

Wolf
03-20-2012, 07:44 PM
Duane Brown unhappy

that is not good right now for someone that will be needing a contract soon

b0ng
03-20-2012, 07:45 PM
OK, that made me laugh.

There was rumor last week (or the week before) that Ryans would be cut. Instead, the Texans get a draft choice. If a 4th is the best they could get, and were dumping Ryans' salary anyway, I'm not sure how the trade can be bashed on the merits of "not getting enough".

Same here. If he couldn't/wouldn't take a paycut he was going to end up getting cut. I'm glad we got something for him and I'm sad to see him go, but until we know the exact details of the deal I think it's tough to logically conclude that this was good or bad by Smith.

The "leader" of the defense is the guys that are out there every play (Watt, Cushing, Smith, Joseph), Demeco was the leader of the defense before that horrific injury in 2010. I do think that the job is basically Sharpton's to lose.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:45 PM
So much overreaction....

We truly live in an A.D.D. world.

How 'bout everyone wait and see what happens.

We finally get MULTIPLE picks for a guy, an oft-injured guy who counts against the cap, and Rick Smith is an amateur, bungled the cap, and we're "screwed."

We got nothing for Carr, Dunta, Okoye, and Mario...but we get multiple picks for a guy with a messed up shoulder and messed up elbow who also blew an achilles, too, and THAT single move "proves" Rick Smith is a goat????

Continue with the funeral dirge, guys and gals.hard to win when you get rid of the talent. So far we have lost 4 starters and added a 4th round pick for a project TE I assume.

rmartin65
03-20-2012, 07:45 PM
Not lovin' it. A 4th? And moving up just 13 spots in the third round? Not a good trade. A necessary one, perhaps, but not a good one.

Texecutioner
03-20-2012, 07:45 PM
So much overreaction....

We truly live in an A.D.D. world.

How 'bout everyone wait and see what happens.

We finally get MULTIPLE picks for a guy, an oft-injured guy who counts against the cap, and Rick Smith is an amateur, bungled the cap, and we're "screwed."

We got nothing for Carr, Dunta, Okoye, and Mario...but we get multiple picks for a guy with a messed up shoulder and messed up elbow who also blew an achilles, too, and THAT single move "proves" Rick Smith is a goat????

Continue with the funeral dirge, guys and gals.

When did you become a Rick Smith fan?? I'm trying to wrap my head around this one GP, because I thought you couldn't stand the guy for years unless my memory is failing me.


This has nothing to do with one single move. It's the lack of moves for years until last season when Wade came in, and the fact that he's never really been a guy that any other team would have wanted. He was just some office guy that was Kubiak's buddy from Denver. He is no different than the stuges Kubiak dragged out here to be our defensive coordinators that stunk up the team. You have to remember that those failures were just as much on Smith as they were on Kubiak.

imatexan
03-20-2012, 07:46 PM
We win ONE playoff game and now we trade away key players who helped that happen, I am beyond frustrated!

Playoffs
03-20-2012, 07:46 PM
This Vinny guy is real good at recognizing the obvious isn't he ?Simmer down there, Tammy Faye.

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 07:46 PM
So much overreaction....

We truly live in an A.D.D. world.

How 'bout everyone wait and see what happens.

We finally get MULTIPLE picks for a guy, an oft-injured guy who counts against the cap, and Rick Smith is an amateur, bungled the cap, and we're "screwed."

We got nothing for Carr, Dunta, Okoye, and Mario...but we get multiple picks for a guy with a messed up shoulder and messed up elbow who also blew an achilles, too, and THAT single move "proves" Rick Smith is a goat????

Continue with the funeral dirge, guys and gals.


You're one to talk with your overactive speculations and your essay-long diatribe on every single other ****ing topic.

Carr, Okoye, Dunta, and Mario meant nowhear NEAR as much to this team COMBINED as DeMeco did.

Obviously you missed the second half of last season where he finally bounced back to form.

Ridiculous.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:46 PM
Excellent deal.

You know Wade signed off on this.excellent deal for the Birdbrains.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:47 PM
This Vinny guy is real good at recognizing the obvious isn't he ?
it's my specialty.

Bulls on Parade
03-20-2012, 07:47 PM
Eagles just pulled a fast one on the Texans. I'm sorry but DeMeco Ryans was the true leader and captain of our defense. Need I remind you what happened when DeMeco went down with a season-ending ACL injury early in the 2010 season? The entire defense fell apart without his leadership, and we went from a 3-1 team to a 6-10 team that ranked at the bottom in every important defensive category.

I am very upset right now. Unless it's a second-round pick and an effort to clear more cap space to go after Mike Wallace -- making him an offer the Steelers can't match, I don't understand this trade one bit. Now if they added Mike Wallace and gave up their 26th pick in the first round to Pittsburgh, then the extra draft pick from the Eagles makes sense.

fiasco west
03-20-2012, 07:47 PM
Duane Brown unhappy

I doubt he is the first.

I understand he may not have fit in the 3-4 perfectly...but he fit well enough for this team to be a top 3 defense in the NFL.

He was happy and willing enough to learn and I think he got better each game and when the playoffs rolled around he was all over the place.

We better hope we can draft a player of Demeco's talent. It really sucks they part ways with him like this.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:48 PM
we net one 4th and move up 12 slots in the 3rd round.

Allstar
03-20-2012, 07:48 PM
Here's to hoping we can have another strong draft

Cjeremy635
03-20-2012, 07:48 PM
Duane Brown unhappy

I know that they're all professionals, but my biggest concern is what type of impact this is going to have on the team's morale. Demeco was a huge part of this team, on & off the field. I remember all too clear what happened when cut a bunch of our veteran players one offseason when Capers was here. We tanked the next year & he was fired. Hopefully we'll have a different outcome this time. I'm worried though......

Runner
03-20-2012, 07:48 PM
ugh, I'm starting to get pessimistic on this season. I don't like where we are headed so far.

Don't worry. We will build through the draft and be back in the playoffs in another six years. Maybe 4-5 since Kubes has done it once now and has experience.

Trap_Star
03-20-2012, 07:49 PM
last time we got rid of multiple locker room leaders after a promising season, we ended up with the #1 pick a year later.

houstonspartan
03-20-2012, 07:49 PM
So much overreaction....

We truly live in an A.D.D. world.

How 'bout everyone wait and see what happens.

We finally get MULTIPLE picks for a guy, an oft-injured guy who counts against the cap, and Rick Smith is an amateur, bungled the cap, and we're "screwed."

We got nothing for Carr, Dunta, Okoye, and Mario...but we get multiple picks for a guy with a messed up shoulder and messed up elbow who also blew an achilles, too, and THAT single move "proves" Rick Smith is a goat????

Continue with the funeral dirge, guys and gals.

Disagree. DeMeco is worth at least a 2nd round. But all we are getting, it appears, is a fourth.

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 07:50 PM
I know that they're all professionals, but my biggest concern is what type of impact this is going to have on the team's morale. Demeco was a huge part of this team, on & off the field. I remember all too clear what happened when cut a bunch of our veteran players one offseason when Capers was here. We tanked the next year & he was fired. Hopefully we'll have a different outcome this time. I'm worried though......

And THAT'S why this trade is ****ing awful. When the 27 year old team leader gets dealt for a ****ing 4th round pick, its going to cause rifts.

Wolf6151
03-20-2012, 07:50 PM
I'm disappointed that all we got was a 4th and switch of our 3rd's but overall I like this trade. At least we got something for him before we cut him next year as a salary cap issue.

Bulls on Parade
03-20-2012, 07:51 PM
Disagree. DeMeco is worth at least a 2nd round. But all we are getting, it appears, is a fourth.
Eagles just robbed us. It's not even funny. Thanks a lot, Rick Smith!

The only thing that can cheer me up right now... Well, nothing...

fiasco west
03-20-2012, 07:51 PM
Here's to hoping we can have another strong draft

I don't F'n understand why this team always lets solid vets walk away.

Especially a guy like Demeco who was loved here by his teammates and fans and seemed willing to play here DESPITE not playing 3rd downs you hardly ever hear him complain about it.

This team is relying TOO much on the draft. Which is fine if you are not a team that people are expecting to come out of the AFC.

You don't see the Ravens trading Ray Lewis do you? (yes I know Demeco is no Ray, but the situation is kinda the same)

Topher
03-20-2012, 07:51 PM
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hot pickle
03-20-2012, 07:52 PM
i hate this offseason! 3 players that i love are gone!!!

Allstar
03-20-2012, 07:53 PM
The Texans must have a list of players that our untouchable core. I'd Say:

Schaub
Foster
AJ
Brown
Myers

Cushing
Watt
Barwin
Joseph
Smith
Reed
Quin (maybe)

Everyone else, they are looking to upgrade, or are willing to part with if their cap number is too large.

GP
03-20-2012, 07:53 PM
Excellent trade my ass. I understand what you're saying about his cap money and all, and why we didn't need him as much in this current defense, but Demeco has more value than a mid rounder. He's still a very capable guy who can be a great MLB for any team that runs a 4-3 or any other type of defensive scheme where Demeco's skills fit well. He's still pretty young and also a great team leader. He is 2nd round material.

Now Tex, you've been really adamant about how "bad" Rick Smith is.

He's not young and he's been through a blown achilles, a bum shoulder, and a bum elbow. AND he's a helluva' lot more expensive than what we'll draft to replace him with.

The defense we had in 2011 includes major contributions by two rookies and several guys like Barwin and Cushing who are, IIRC, 3-year guys vs. the 6-year guys we're cutting (due to multiple reasons, not "just" the cap implications).

We have to stay young. Period. And this move gave us multiple picks we can use or bundle to stay young AND make sure we get good value.

Sometimes I think everyone has this expectation that we've arrived and should not risk anything. That 2011 defense cost a nice penny, and it's just part of the price of success.

I have faith that Wade is going to identify and find the guys he needs to offset the loss of Mario (which I think is already on our roster) and DeMeco (which I think is in the draft).

I'm only offering the rebuttal to the majority opinion here. I don't think it's as bad as people think.

GuerillaBlack
03-20-2012, 07:53 PM
Rick Smith confirming his amateur ways. It should have been a second round pick. Or a third and a fourth. The Eagles made out like bandits. It's like we are going through a rebuilding year. This team has done nothing yet.

XI CMURDER IX
03-20-2012, 07:53 PM
I don't F'n understand why this team always lets solid vets walk away.

Especially a guy like Demeco who was loved here by his teammates and fans and seemed willing to play here DESPITE not playing 3rd downs you hardly ever hear him complain about it.

This team is relying TOO much on the draft. Which is fine if you are not a team that people are expecting to come out of the AFC.

You don't see the Ravens trading Ray Lewis do you? (yes I know Demeco is no Ray, but the situation is kinda the same)

At this rate we can expect to see Schaub and Johnson walk within the next two years also. In the meantime we get to see Jacoby Jones, Kareem Jackson, and the gaggle of overpaid backups stay on the team.

Austrian
03-20-2012, 07:53 PM
Speechless. He was the leader of that defense.

Kaiser Toro
03-20-2012, 07:54 PM
The early reactions of the players are not positive. Want to hear McNair and Phillips' thoughts on this.

Although I see the logic in the move, due to the cap and snaps taken in the 3-4, Smith needs to go, he adds no value to this organization or the town.

Texan_Bill
03-20-2012, 07:54 PM
****ing bull****.

ugh, I'm starting to get pessimistic on this season. I don't like where we are headed so far.

Count me in Y'alls corner!

*******************************

That said, on my way home I thought I heard 610 say it was "multiple picks".

NastyNate
03-20-2012, 07:54 PM
Eagles just pulled a fast one on the Texans. I'm sorry but DeMeco Ryans was the true leader and captain of our defense. Need I remind you what happened when DeMeco went down with a season-ending ACL injury early in the 2010 season? The entire defense fell apart without his leadership, and we went from a 3-1 team to a 6-10 team that ranked at the bottom in every important defensive category.

I am very upset right now. Unless it's a second-round pick and an effort to clear more cap space to go after Mike Wallace -- making him an offer the Steelers can't match, I don't understand this trade one bit. Now if they added Mike Wallace and gave up their 26th pick in the first round to Pittsburgh, then the extra draft pick from the Eagles makes sense.

You just lost a MLB as well as an OLB, RT, RG, CB# 2B and 3rd string QB and we're going to target a WR? :kubepalm:

This isn't to go after anyone. Texans simply clearing cap room. We'll go defense heavy again in the draft and be more improved.

Errant Hothy
03-20-2012, 07:54 PM
I'm sorry did I miss where Ryans had returned to being an everydown LB again? His cap number was not in alignment with his play on the field. Would I have prefered that the Texans had been able to restructure his deal and keep him? Sure, but if he was unwilling to do so he needed to go.

Being a leader off the field is over rated in professional team sports, IMO; and you cannot lead on the field when you are on the sidelines.

Texan_Bill
03-20-2012, 07:55 PM
http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae99/kingofgeniuses/GIFs/tumblr_lfgasoW5dY1qarja8.gif

x's infinity!

Lucky
03-20-2012, 07:56 PM
The entire defense fell apart without his leadership, and we went from a 3-1 team to a 6-10 team that ranked at the bottom in every important defensive category.
That's partially true. Ryans went down just prior to the half in week 6. The Texans were already the worst (statistically) defense in the league in week 6. However, they certainly didn't get better without Ryans.

ThaShark316
03-20-2012, 07:56 PM
Slow down, grown ups...

children at play.

Get over it. This is a grown man's business. If you think it's OK to pay a 2 down LB 6 m (one down for a ton of the season), then you're higher than the 2004 version of Ricky Williams. Plus, who knows if we are about to move #26 to get MORE picks.

I ****ing love Rick Smith right now!!

texan_fan80
03-20-2012, 07:56 PM
wow.. this suprised me 10 times more than the winston thing. cant believe we let go the heart and cornerstone of the defense. i sure hope rick smith knows what hes doing because he sure is scaring a lot of people and making people mad.

Wolf6151
03-20-2012, 07:57 PM
The Texans must have a list of players that our untouchable core. I'd Say:

Schaub
Foster
AJ
Brown
Myers

Cushing
Watt
Joseph
Smith
Reed
Quin (maybe)

Everyone else, they are looking to upgrade, or are willing to part with if their cap number is too large.

On defense I wouldn't be surprised to see Smith get either traded, or let go at the end of next season. He's been here a while, gets more expensive each year, and get older each year. He's a prime candidate for some salary trimming.

GP
03-20-2012, 07:58 PM
You're one to talk with your overactive speculations and your essay-long diatribe on every single other ****ing topic.

Carr, Okoye, Dunta, and Mario meant nowhear NEAR as much to this team COMBINED as DeMeco did.

Obviously you missed the second half of last season where he finally bounced back to form.

Ridiculous.

LOL.

You're crying aren't you? They cut the one guy who can't be cut, and you're BUTT HURT over it. Geez.

All of you look like children right now.

Was THAT a brief enough post for you?

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 07:58 PM
Slow down, grown ups...

children at play.

Get over it. This is a grown man's business. If you think it's OK to pay a 2 down LB 6 m (one down for a ton of the season), then you're higher than the 2004 version of Ricky Williams. Plus, who knows if we are about to move #26 to get MORE picks.

I ****ing love Rick Smith right now!!


I'm surprised you're on board with this, Shark.

ThaShark316
03-20-2012, 07:58 PM
LOL.

You're crying aren't you? They cut the one guy who can't be cut, and you're BUTT HURT over it. Geez.

All of you look like children right now.

Was THAT a brief enough post for you?

GP, I'm repping you for a month straight for the text I put in BOLD.

Texecutioner
03-20-2012, 07:59 PM
I'm sorry did I miss where Ryans had returned to being an everydown LB again? His cap number was not in alignment with his play on the field. Would I have prefered that the Texans had been able to restructure his deal and keep him? Sure, but if he was unwilling to do so he needed to go.

Being a leader off the field is over rated in professional team sports, IMO; and you cannot lead on the field when you are on the sidelines.

This all may be true, but that doesn't change the kind of player he is capable of being in another system. He didn't fall off and forget how to play. I don't have a problem with the fact that we traded him. I think trading him was a move that needed to be made to free up some cap space, but I have a problem with what we got. We traded him to a team that had a "MAJOR NEED" at MLB. A 2nd rounder for Demeco wouldn't have been a bad deal at all from their standpoint. They just got a very solid veteran LB who can be a leader for a 4th rounder. The Eagles easily got the better end of this deal.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 07:59 PM
Slow down, grown ups...

children at play.

Get over it. This is a grown man's business. If you think it's OK to pay a 2 down LB 6 m (one down for a ton of the season), then you're higher than the 2004 version of Ricky Williams. Plus, who knows if we are about to move #26 to get MORE picks.

I ****ing love Rick Smith right now!!lots of love for a 4th round pick

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 07:59 PM
LOL.

You're crying aren't you? They cut the one guy who can't be cut, and you're BUTT HURT over it. Geez.

All of you look like children right now.

Was THAT a brief enough post for you?

For the first time ever, yes. Thank God.

ThaShark316
03-20-2012, 07:59 PM
I'm surprised you're on board with this, Shark.

2nd sentence, 3 paragraph of the comment you quoted.

Lucky
03-20-2012, 08:00 PM
All of you look like children right now.

That's really enough of this crap from everyone. Comment on the moves and not other poster's opinions.

valleytexfan
03-20-2012, 08:00 PM
It's now Sharpton's time to shine as the starter like he was before he got hurt last year. Don't forget about this guy. He's a good one and a lot younger (and less expensive).

I hate to see DeMeco go like you guys, and yes, he's an irreplaceable leader. But the starters now (Cushing, Barwin, Reed, Sharpton) are set and if we re-sign Dobbins, the depth will be him, Nading, Braman, Alexander and the new draft pick.

ThaShark316
03-20-2012, 08:00 PM
lots of love for a 4th round pick

What you thought you were going to get for him? A mid-2nd? http://static.bbmp3.com/smilies/0_rofl.gif

fiasco west
03-20-2012, 08:00 PM
On defense I wouldn't be surprised to see Smith get either traded, or let go at the end of next season. He's been here a while, gets more expensive each year, and get older each year. He's a prime candidate for some salary trimming.

And it would be a dumb move to let Smith go but it's the Texans M.O to do so.

Trade away all your good vets in hopes to draft more good vets.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 08:02 PM
It's now Sharpton's time to shine as the starter like he was before he got hurt last year. Don't forget about this guy. He's a good one and a lot younger (and less expensive).

I hate to see DeMeco go like you guys, and yes, he's an irreplaceable leader. But the starters now (Cushing, Barwin, Reed, Sharpton) are set and if we re-sign Dobbins, the depth will be him, Nading, Braman, Alexander and the new draft pick. I think there will be a day you may regret wanting Sharpton in there.

What you thought you were going to get for him? A mid-2nd? http://static.bbmp3.com/smilies/0_rofl.gif
I wasn't looking to trade him. Sharpton doesn't even come close to his talent, instinct and leadership.

spurstexanstros
03-20-2012, 08:03 PM
This aint your father's Texans...it looks like the Texans are about doing what they can to win and not doing things to remain loyal. I know it sucks but such is the NFL these days.

That being said if they get rid of OD..ill be pissed (maily cause i just bought his jersey)

Errant Hothy
03-20-2012, 08:03 PM
This all may be true, but that doesn't change the kind of player he is capable of being in another system. He didn't fall off and forget how to play. I don't have a problem with the fact that we traded him. I think trading him was a move that needed to be made to free up some cap space, but I have a problem with what we got. We traded him to a team that had a "MAJOR NEED" at MLB. A 2nd rounder for Demeco wouldn't have been a bad deal at all from their standpoint. They just got a very solid veteran LB who can be a leader for a 4th rounder. The Eagles easily got the better end of this deal.

Another system being the one we no longer run.

The value of a non-QB vet will always be less than that of a draftpick in a salaray capped NFL, even more so if the vet has an injury history.

ThaShark316
03-20-2012, 08:03 PM
I think there will be a day you may regret wanting Sharpton in there.


I wasn't looking to trade him. Sharpton doesn't even come close to his talent, instinct and leadership.

So now, let's pay him 6M to sit out for 2 downs?

Not saying it was YOU, Vin, but people tore Ryans up last season around here...

GP
03-20-2012, 08:03 PM
Slow down, grown ups...

children at play.

Get over it. This is a grown man's business. If you think it's OK to pay a 2 down LB 6 m (one down for a ton of the season), then you're higher than the 2004 version of Ricky Williams. Plus, who knows if we are about to move #26 to get MORE picks.

I ****ing love Rick Smith right now!!

Can u seriously believe the sheer volume of disgust and vitriol right now???

I am stunned not because he was cut, I'm stunned that people act like they just watched their entire football world explode.

He had a blown achilles, a bum shoulder, and a bum elbow...we got a 4th for him and moved up 12 slots in the 3rd, and lost his salary in the process...but it was a HORRIBLE! move for us?

Getting attached to a player clouds the judgment.

Oh, and just because Duane Brown tweets he was "surprised" does not mean he's angry. Where did Duane tweet "I'm effing FURIOUS about this!!!"? That's just people manipulating his words to back up their agenda. Period.

This thread will hit 35 pages. And it will be 98% full of "woe is me" end of our world posts. LOL.

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 08:03 PM
2nd sentence, 3 paragraph of the comment you quoted.

You're still a bit too over-enthused for this.

Way too much excitement over getting rid of a guy like DeMeco in a move that doesn't involve an absolute treasure-trove of return.

I call shenanigans.

Lucky
03-20-2012, 08:03 PM
It's now Sharpton's time to shine as the starter like he was before he got hurt last year. Don't forget about this guy. He's a good one and a lot younger (and less expensive).
Don't forget that Sharpton is not Wade's guy. He was drafted by Frank Bush and Rick Smith. I don't think he's a fit for what Phillips looks for in an inside linebacker.

drs23
03-20-2012, 08:04 PM
My guess is either a 3rd or a 4th. Won't be lower than a 4th, and won't be better than a 3rd.

UUH? What'd you say?

I'm thinking 4 or 5 as well.

I sure wish you would post more. :D

NastyNate
03-20-2012, 08:04 PM
Slow down, grown ups...

children at play.

Get over it. This is a grown man's business. If you think it's OK to pay a 2 down LB 6 m (one down for a ton of the season), then you're higher than the 2004 version of Ricky Williams. Plus, who knows if we are about to move #26 to get MORE picks.

I ****ing love Rick Smith right now!!


I'm right with ya, this is a smart move on all accounts. People don't understand the value concern. Yes he's a great player, he doesn't fit the direction we're trying to go, and I'll root like hell for him in Philly, but this is a great move.

NitroGSXR
03-20-2012, 08:05 PM
Aren't the Texans pretty good when it comes to drafting in the 4th?

Thanks for everything, DeMeco! We will miss you!!

Vinny
03-20-2012, 08:05 PM
So now, let's pay him 6M to sit out for 2 downs?

Not saying it was YOU, Vin, but people tore Ryans up last season around here...
People praised David Carr...what's the point? I comment on what I see, not what the consensus is.

bigfan77801
03-20-2012, 08:05 PM
This aint your father's Texans...it looks like the Texans are about doing what they can to win and not doing things to remain loyal. I know it sucks but such is the NFL these days.

That being said if they get rid of OD..ill be pissed (maily cause i just bought his jersey)

Its funny, people talk about this team being too loyal to certain players, yet when a move that other teams make happens look out. :roast:

XI CMURDER IX
03-20-2012, 08:05 PM
Just throwing around some ideas, but what if we trade Ben Tate for a second rounder now? Then try to replace him with someone like Chris Polk from Washington or Isiah Pead from Cincy in the 3rd or 4th?

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 08:06 PM
There's nothing "great" about this move. We didn't get 2 seconds or something. There is nothing "great" about getting a 4th round pick. Even if it alleviates some cap pressure. Those deals aren't worthy of using the word "great".

"Great" is what the Rams got for the #2 pick.

bigfan77801
03-20-2012, 08:06 PM
And yes I would have liked another pick or two, but maybe that's all that the Eagles would give up.

Lucky
03-20-2012, 08:07 PM
Just throwing around some ideas, but what if we trade Ben Tate for a second rounder now? Then try to replace him with someone like Chris Polk from Washington or Isiah Pead from Cincy in the 3rd or 4th?
There's another thread that speaks to this. Let's stick to this trade here.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 08:07 PM
Just throwing around some ideas, but what if we trade Ben Tate for a second rounder now? Then try to replace him with someone like Chris Polk from Washington or Isiah Pead from Cincy in the 3rd or 4th?
why does everyone want to trade proven for roll of the dice? Are we rebuilding?

Wolf
03-20-2012, 08:07 PM
edited because GP caught it

:)

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 08:07 PM
Just throwing around some ideas, but what if we trade Ben Tate for a second rounder now? Then try to replace him with someone like Chris Polk from Washington or Isiah Pead from Cincy in the 3rd or 4th?

There is no point in building through the draft when we're just gonna get rid of the players we draft in 3 years anyway.

For God's sake we haven't even won a title for the strategy of "letting every player who even remotely poses a cap issue go" to be a good one.

fiasco west
03-20-2012, 08:07 PM
We still are going to need a RG and a WR, and now another LB since we just lost half of our LB core.

Fun times.

Ryan
03-20-2012, 08:07 PM
I don't understand the league's infatuation with draft picks. Half of them don't pan out to anything. I understand our cap situation is terrible, but i'd rather do a swap for a proven player in this league.


Add Hightower to our draft board.

Nawzer
03-20-2012, 08:08 PM
All of you look like children right now.

What you're obviously not comprehending here is that most of us here are loyal fans of some of these players. You might be right, Ryans may no longer the player he was, he was too expensive, he's injury prone, and etc. But that doesn't mean we're all children because we're upset that one of the fan favorites and leaders of this team is now gone. This is what sports is about. The next time we cut/trade someone, I'll make sure to calculate the salary cap savings and rejoice at the savings and possible mid-round picks that are now expected to come in and take us to the Super Bowl. Now that's a joke.

fiasco west
03-20-2012, 08:10 PM
Aren't the Texans pretty good when it comes to drafting in the 4th?

Thanks for everything, DeMeco! We will miss you!!

They are and have been a great drafting team. But it's no use if we're going to trade these guys after showing signs of age. That extra experience becomes a GOOD thing when it comes to the playoffs. Ask the Ravens and Steelers.

XI CMURDER IX
03-20-2012, 08:10 PM
There's another thread that speaks to this. Let's stick to this trade here.

Noted, sorry.

imatexan
03-20-2012, 08:11 PM
What you thought you were going to get for him? A mid-2nd? http://static.bbmp3.com/smilies/0_rofl.gif

Yep.

Not even that, he should not have been traded for any picks unless it was a first.

It makes no sense to put a good team together then cut key players and trade them away for 4th round draft picks. We were supposed to get CLOSER to the SB this year not start some weird rebuilding.

I pray I am wrong but this offseason just gets worse and worse.

fiasco west
03-20-2012, 08:11 PM
What you're obviously not comprehending here is that most of us here are loyal fans of some of these players. You might be right, Ryans may no longer the player he was, he was too expensive, he's injury prone, and etc. But that doesn't mean we're all children because we're upset that one of the fan favorites and leaders of this team is now gone. This is what sports is about. The next time we cut/trade someone, I'll make sure to calculate the salary cap savings and rejoice at the savings and possible mid-round picks that are now expected to come in and take us to the Super Bowl. Now that's a joke.

Heh, Looks like Daryl Morey runs the Houston Texans as well.

Wolf6151
03-20-2012, 08:11 PM
why does everyone want to trade proven for roll of the dice? Are we rebuilding?

Because in the NFL you can't keep every over priced/over paid veteran just because you like him. There are salary cap issues to deal with and Demeco was making way to much money to be a 2 down LB. We also will need to re-sign Cushing, Barwin, and Duane Brown soon and that money has to come from somewhere.

michaelm
03-20-2012, 08:12 PM
I'm not happy to lose DeMeco, but taking my personal feelings out of the equation, I can see where his salary is too high to justify for a guy who plays only two downs. He was never going to be on the field on 3rd down as long as Cush is healthy.
The grade on this trade is incomplete until I know for sure what picks ate involved, and more importantly, what they do with the added cap space.

Lucky
03-20-2012, 08:13 PM
I think Nawzer has a good point in that it's not just a debate about "value" in the trade. There is a sense of loss by a lot of fans who have enjoyed watching DeMeco for 6 seasons. I know he's one of my all-time favorite Texans and will be missed.

GP
03-20-2012, 08:14 PM
I just can't believe people don't see the positives here.

It's not that bad. We finally got something for a guy who was a walking injury report and on the field for 66% of the snaps.

JJ Watt and Cushing and Reed and Barwin and Smith and Manning and J Joseph...they can handle the role of being vocal leaders out there.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 08:14 PM
Texans 4th round draft picks to date:

4/99 Jonathan Wells Running back Ohio State
4/101 Domanick Davis Running back LSU
4/122 Glenn Earl Safety Notre Dame
4/114 Jerome Mathis Wide receiver Hampton
4/98 Owen Daniels Tight end Wisconsin
4/123 Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
4/112 Glover Quin Cornerback New Mexico
4/122 Anthony Hill Tight end North Carolina State
4/102 Darryl Sharpton Linebacker Miami (FL)
4/118 Garrett Graham Tight end Wisconsin
4/127 Rashad Carmichael Cornerback Virginia Tech

Vinny
03-20-2012, 08:15 PM
Because in the NFL you can't keep every over priced/over paid veteran just because you like him. There are salary cap issues to deal with and Demeco was making way to much money to be a 2 down LB. We also will need to re-sign Cushing, Barwin, and Duane Brown soon and that money has to come from somewhere.uh, I think I understand the cap thingy. I'm really not that naive. I was just asking why mid round draft picks are such a turn on.

fiasco west
03-20-2012, 08:15 PM
Why is Jacoby Jones still on the team?

drs23
03-20-2012, 08:16 PM
Damn, Demeco was a leader for that defense. He'll be missed.

He's very vocal and does a good - "on three, break" - on the sidelines. Between the sidelines I see #56, the three/four down player with the green dot on his helmet as the leader. You know, the bloody guy.

Shocking move, yes, but not one that hasn't been discussed/shot down in other threads but the point there and here is the contract for a 35% of the time player and the :money:. JMO

We'll see what happens. I'm very interested to see how Rick Smith handles this.

Ryan
03-20-2012, 08:16 PM
Anthony Hill :kubepalm:

Lucky
03-20-2012, 08:18 PM
Why is Jacoby Jones still on the team?
Does every thread require a Jacoby Jones reference?

SmoochyTX
03-20-2012, 08:18 PM
I guess we'll see. I think it's scarier for us fans because we finally made it to the playoffs and then to be getting rid of so many names. Nobody can say we didn't try anything to build our team for future seasons though because nobody stays young and relevant forever.

:kitten:

pissknocker
03-20-2012, 08:18 PM
Why is Jacoby Jones still on the team?

They were saving him till after this demeco move, to appease fans. Hes next or better be

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 08:18 PM
He's very vocal and does a good - "on three, break" - on the sidelines. Between the sidelines I see #56, the three/four down player with the green dot on his helmet as the leader. You know, the bloody guy.

Shocking move, yes, but not one that hasn't been discussed/shot down in other threads but the point there and here is the contract for a 35% of the time player and the :money:. JMO

We'll see what happens. I'm very interested to see how Rick Smith handles this.


So what's gonna happen when we get rid of #56 for money reasons too? Are we gonna be cool with just drafting his replacement?

I'm all for letting go of guys that are good but can be dealt with. Losing Winston and Brisiel is tough, but not back-breakers. Losing DeMeco means SIGNIFICANTLY more than that.

Wolf
03-20-2012, 08:18 PM
uh, I think I understand the cap thingy. I'm really not that naive. I was just asking why mid round draft picks are such a turn on.

yep

Texecutioner
03-20-2012, 08:19 PM
Now Tex, you've been really adamant about how "bad" Rick Smith is.

He's not young and he's been through a blown achilles, a bum shoulder, and a bum elbow. AND he's a helluva' lot more expensive than what we'll draft to replace him with.

I don't mind that we traded him. I understand and agree that his value to this defense dropped since our system changed. I just feel that Demeco is still capable of being a great player and he's a great leader. For another team he is a great pick up. I feel we could have landed with better return.



The defense we had in 2011 includes major contributions by two rookies and several guys like Barwin and Cushing who are, IIRC, 3-year guys vs. the 6-year guys we're cutting (due to multiple reasons, not "just" the cap implications).

We have to stay young. Period. And this move gave us multiple picks we can use or bundle to stay young AND make sure we get good value.

I don't think we want to keep trying to stay young. We have a huge window right now. That's when I typically think that solid vets have a better impact to help younger teams go that extra mile. I think we were in that kind of position entering the off season.


Sometimes I think everyone has this expectation that we've arrived and should not risk anything. That 2011 defense cost a nice penny, and it's just part of the price of success.

I have faith that Wade is going to identify and find the guys he needs to offset the loss of Mario (which I think is already on our roster) and DeMeco (which I think is in the draft).

Well good for us, his role in this defense wasn't as big as it was in previous schemes. It's not like losing Cushing or Joseph right now would be. I do feel that his role is eaiser to replace now, but Demeco is going to be a really strong piece to the Eagles. They have really needed a good MLB, and getting a guy like Demeco is going to really give them a boost. I just feel like they sort of sleezed us on this one, and got great value for giving up very little. We really needed a steal on a transaction right now don't ya think?

False Start
03-20-2012, 08:20 PM
Wow, this sucks. He was a leader, and kept the youngsters under wraps when they got out of sync. I'm gonna miss the dude big time.:pissed: :(

ESAD2-14
03-20-2012, 08:20 PM
why does everyone want to trade proven for roll of the dice? Are we rebuilding?

Almost seems that way. Team cohesiveness has to account for something. Texans are on the verge of taking away to many pieces of a successful team. Perhaps they were in salary cap hell? Who knows, this sucks and life goes on or some bulls--t like that. Good luck #59.

macho grande
03-20-2012, 08:20 PM
It's the Caucasian Invasion!!!!

GP
03-20-2012, 08:21 PM
I think Nawzer has a good point in that it's not just a debate about "value" in the trade. There is a sense of loss by a lot of fans who have enjoyed watching DeMeco for 6 seasons. I know he's one of my all-time favorite Texans and will be missed.

Then can't people separate their shock of him being traded from the all-out HATRED toward Rick Smith???

What is so hard about that? I mean, it could have been Wade for all we know. Smith to the coaches: "Bob says make a list of guys to let go or trade..." Kubiak offers up Winston. Wade offers up J Allen and DeMeco.

Is RICK SMITH the guy making these decisions? Right now, everyone says it's all that damn Rick Smith's fault. If the cap is a problem, did Bob last year say to Rick "I know we're losing some guys next year. Just go get me new ones NOW to save the fan base NOW."

But people are so grief stricken there's no sense of rational thought here. I said it'd make 35 pages. I'm thinking maybe 45 or 46 now.

drs23
03-20-2012, 08:22 PM
Draft picks Eagles have http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012-nfc-east-draft-picks/eagles-2012-draft-picks/

Looks like a 4th rounder to me. I'm going with the second. Hope it's higher but we'll know when we know.

Lady.Gaga.3000
03-20-2012, 08:22 PM
Does Houston have a deal with the sports gods to get ripped off by Philadelphia?

bckey
03-20-2012, 08:22 PM
Next Rick Smith will be cutting Schaub because TJ is cheaper. This mentality that you can cut anybody with a big salary and replace them with rookie or cheap vet can ruin a team quick. It takes a good blend of the right expensive veterans with the right young players and some decent mid range talent. The great gms are the ones that seem to nail it the majority of times on player decisions. They also have good foresight when negotiating contracts.

Wolf
03-20-2012, 08:22 PM
http://c0014224.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_b75fde5

Errant Hothy
03-20-2012, 08:22 PM
Do you have a badge? Stop policing **** for no reason.

:kubepalm:

ckhouston
03-20-2012, 08:22 PM
Good move by Rick. Braman time next year.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 08:23 PM
Aren't we taking a big cap hit under the salary cap this season by doing this?

Errant Hothy
03-20-2012, 08:23 PM
Good move by Rick. Braman time next year.

Braman is an OLB, why move him inside?

Ktexan68
03-20-2012, 08:24 PM
According to the General we're taking a huge cap HIT because of this trade...


John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Trading DeMeco Ryans caused Texans to take a $6.75 mi cap hit cause of acclerated SB but freed $9 mil for next year.


:wadepalm:

Nawzer
03-20-2012, 08:24 PM
Heh, Looks like Daryl Morey runs the Houston Texans as well.

Difference between Morey and Smith is that Morey has been dealt a tough hand. With Yao and T-Mac done we were put in a really bad situation that we're going to come out of next year. Morey is doing the best he can with what he has. Not saying he's perfect, but I doubt there are many other GMs who could've done a better job than him. Plus, with super stars congregating it's hard to get one of those guys. As for Smith, I'm not going to complain too much about the Mario, Winston, and Brisiel loses because I think we have players who can replace them. My worry is that there is no one on the team right now imo who can replace Ryans. Sharpton is coming off major injury and expecting him to come in right away and replace that hole at ILB is bit unrealistic imo. It might take him up to a year to fully recover. Don't get me wrong, I hope Sharpton comes in and tears it up because above all I want my Texans to win. But it's not a realistic goal if you're going to play mid round rookies in critical position and hope to make a deep playoff run. It could happen, but imo it's not very likely. Of course, between now and game 1 we will probably sign some vets, so that remains to be seen.

ckhouston
03-20-2012, 08:25 PM
Braman is an OLB, why move him inside?

Because we are loaded at OLB and he is intense and a strong tackler. You wont run against him and he will bring the heat up the middle.

Errant Hothy
03-20-2012, 08:25 PM
Aren't we taking a big cap hit under the salary cap this season by doing this?

McClain is saying we take a 6.75 mil hit this year and freed up 9 mil for next. But it's McClain so take if for what it is worth.

bckey
03-20-2012, 08:25 PM
According to the General we're taking a huge cap HIT because of this trade...


John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Trading DeMeco Ryans caused Texans to take a $6.75 mi cap hit cause of acclerated SB but freed $9 mil for next year.


:wadepalm:


Great. :toropalm:

Wolf
03-20-2012, 08:25 PM
According to the General we're taking a huge cap HIT because of this trade...


John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Trading DeMeco Ryans caused Texans to take a $6.75 mi cap hit cause of acclerated SB but freed $9 mil for next year.


:wadepalm:

well ****

Lucky
03-20-2012, 08:26 PM
Is RICK SMITH the guy making these decisions? Right now, everyone says it's all that damn Rick Smith's fault.
That's true. Smith is getting too much "credit" for these moves. They had to be stamped by Kubiak, Phillips, and McNair. I know McNair didn't like losing a guy like Ryans. It was a real tough move by the organization. If there's no salary cap, DeMeco is on this team.

Vinny
03-20-2012, 08:26 PM
Then can't people separate their shock of him being traded from the all-out HATRED toward Rick Smith???

What is so hard about that? I mean, it could have been Wade for all we know. Smith to the coaches: "Bob says make a list of guys to let go or trade..." Kubiak offers up Winston. Wade offers up J Allen and DeMeco.

Is RICK SMITH the guy making these decisions? Right now, everyone says it's all that damn Rick Smith's fault. If the cap is a problem, did Bob last year say to Rick "I know we're losing some guys next year. Just go get me new ones NOW to save the fan base NOW."

But people are so grief stricken there's no sense of rational thought here. I said it'd make 35 pages. I'm thinking maybe 45 or 46 now.
If Rick Smith isn't making the decisions he should be fired and we should get a GM that actually makes decisions and leads a franchise.

DocBar
03-20-2012, 08:26 PM
Look at it this way:Who would you rather keep?
Winston or Brown?
Briseil or Myers?
Ryans or Cushing?
Mario or Myers, Brown Cushing, Foster?

The players we've lost are good to above average at their positions but certainly replaceable. The Texans re-signed the two truly elite players we have in FA this season in Foster and Myers.
The defense showed us what it had without Mario. Pretty damned good.
I'm very ready to see what our OL looks like without a turnstile at RT in passpro.
Briseil was by no means an elite guard and we have capable players that can fill that spot.
I applaud Smith for trimming the fat now before we do get truly into cap hell and have to lose players that are actually in their prime and have no major injury history.
Just my :twocents:

Errant Hothy
03-20-2012, 08:27 PM
Because we are loaded at OLB and he is intense and a strong tackler. You wont run against him and he will bring the heat up the middle.

How are we loaded at OLB, after Barwin and Reed is who...Jamison? Braman look sto be a canidate for the 3rd OLB spot on the roster why weaken the depth at the primary pass rushing spot on the D?

The Medic01
03-20-2012, 08:27 PM
Great. :toropalm:

We have Schaub Barwin Brown Quin and McCain as notable FA's this year good move.

Honoring Earl 34
03-20-2012, 08:27 PM
Ryans , Winston , and Mario finally made the playoffs on a team lead by Watt , Cushing , Foster , Joseph , Brown , Barwin , AJ , and Manning . Today the Texans aren't better but next month they may be .

ThaShark316
03-20-2012, 08:27 PM
Next Rick Smith will be cutting Schaub because TJ is cheaper. This mentality that you can cut anybody with a big salary and replace them with rookie or cheap vet can ruin a team quick. It takes a good blend of the right expensive veterans with the right young players and some decent mid range talent. The great gms are the ones that seem to nail it the majority of times on player decisions. They also have good foresight when negotiating contracts.

Lolololol @ the bold.

gwallaia
03-20-2012, 08:28 PM
I'm usually level headed and calm and trust that the FO knows something we don't. But WHAT THE *&!@?!!!!

IDEXAN
03-20-2012, 08:28 PM
According to the General we're taking a huge cap HIT because of this trade...


John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Trading DeMeco Ryans caused Texans to take a $6.75 mi cap hit cause of acclerated SB but freed $9 mil for next year.


:wadepalm:
If that info is correct, now I't totally confused about the Texans' cap because I thought we were already right at the max before this move ?
BTW, who's gonna tell Cushing about this ?

Txn_in_Oki
03-20-2012, 08:28 PM
Does every thread require a Jacoby Jones reference?

It's Godwin's Law of Texans Talk.

fiasco west
03-20-2012, 08:28 PM
According to the General we're taking a huge cap HIT because of this trade...


John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Trading DeMeco Ryans caused Texans to take a $6.75 mi cap hit cause of acclerated SB but freed $9 mil for next year.


:wadepalm:

Still a great move to some of yall?

Errant Hothy
03-20-2012, 08:29 PM
Great. :toropalm:

well ****

I love how the believability of McClain's reporting is dependant on the situation.

This board rarely believes the fat actor, except for when the news re-enforces the majority opinion.

Lucky
03-20-2012, 08:29 PM
McClain is saying we take a 6.75 mil hit this year and freed up 9 mil for next. But it's McClain so take if for what it is worth.
Right. McClain hasn't gotten much right this offseason. Ryans could be designated a June 1st cut, and the cap hit could be spread over 2 years. It's the type of accounting stuff that the media isn't always on top of.

TheMatrix31
03-20-2012, 08:30 PM
I don't trust McClain to know the cap stuff just yet, so I'll wait on that.

GP
03-20-2012, 08:30 PM
I don't mind that we traded him. I understand and agree that his value to this defense dropped since our system changed. I just feel that Demeco is still capable of being a great player and he's a great leader. For another team he is a great pick up. I feel we could have landed with better return.





I don't think we want to keep trying to stay young. We have a huge window right now. That's when I typically think that solid vets have a better impact to help younger teams go that extra mile. I think we were in that kind of position entering the off season.




Well good for us, his role in this defense wasn't as big as it was in previous schemes. It's not like losing Cushing or Joseph right now would be. I do feel that his role is eaiser to replace now, but Demeco is going to be a really strong piece to the Eagles. They have really needed a good MLB, and getting a guy like Demeco is going to really give them a boost. I just feel like they sort of sleezed us on this one, and got great value for giving up very little. We really needed a steal on a transaction right now don't ya think?

Good thoughts/statements there, I hear you on a lot of those.

A 3rd would have been best, but a 4th and 12 spots up in the 3rd is what we got. They're paying his salary, too, so IIRC that frees up cap space (I'm not a cap guru though, so I might be wrong there).

We can't keep everyone. The only guys we really lost were Mario and Briesel who got crazy offers, respective to their situations. Winston was iffy but his pass pro is shaky and he had an ankle tweak and cost us a lot this year if we had kept him. We kept Foster. Kept our Pro Bowl center. Lost our CB2-B in J Allen. We might lose Dreessen, hope we don't though.

It's all part of the gig. We have a first, a second, a better 3rd rounder now, and two 4ths that who knows what we might do (bundle them and move up???). Two, maybe three of those are going to be contributors like Watt, Reed, Tate, etc. have been.

TexanSam
03-20-2012, 08:30 PM
McClain is saying we take a 6.75 mil hit this year and freed up 9 mil for next. But it's McClain so take if for what it is worth.

Texans have to re-sign Schaub, Cushing, Duane Brown, Barwin, and Glover Quin next year. You have to get under the cap somehow. Can't just keep cutting scrubs to do so either. If we kept DeMeco then we probably don't have the money to keep all our key free agents next year.

Lucky
03-20-2012, 08:32 PM
If Rick Smith isn't making the decisions he should be fired and we should get a GM that actually makes decisions and leads a franchise.
Smith is not that guy. He's never been that guy. This is McNair's "leadership by committee" blueprint. It's worked one year out of 10.

Mari-OWNED!
03-20-2012, 08:32 PM
Because we are loaded at OLB

Since when? Now that Mario is out of the picture, if Barwin or Reed were to go down the Texans would be royally screwed.

OLB is close to the top, if not the top draft need for Houston right now. There's no way they're moving Braman inside with the position they're in at the moment.

Nawzer
03-20-2012, 08:32 PM
Texans have to re-sign Schaub, Cushing, Duane Brown, Barwin, and Glover Quin next year. You have to get under the cap somehow. Can't just keep cutting scrubs to do so either. If we kept DeMeco then we probably don't have the money to keep all our key free agents next year.

Some of those guys won't be back with the Texans. I'm looking at Schaub primarily as being a cap casualty next year. Kubiak will try his best to get T.J. ready to be the starter in 2013.