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ToRo_DomiNatioN
03-18-2012, 04:08 PM
Simple question who wins this battle, Duane Brown or Mario Williams?

Trap_Star
03-18-2012, 04:16 PM
Simple question who wins this battle, Duane Brown or Mario Williams?

he's gonna play that game mostly on the strong side against butler. book it.

welsh texan
03-18-2012, 04:16 PM
Simple question who wins this battle, Duane Brown or Mario Williams?

When was the last time Duane Brown lost a battle?

TheMatrix31
03-18-2012, 04:20 PM
Um, Duane Brown.

TdotTexas2Step
03-18-2012, 04:24 PM
What does this question even mean? What's the context?

One snap until whistle is blown dead, winner takes all? Then either can come out of it on top.

Through the course of an entire game? I think Brown could hold his own, Mario will get by him a couple of times and get a sack or two, but not enough for us to seriously worry.

burro
03-18-2012, 04:37 PM
Mario's style doesn't include anything particularly troubling, in fact I think it's pretty good match up for Duane.

ToRo_DomiNatioN
03-18-2012, 04:38 PM
I think Duane Brown will prevent him from getting a sack. Mario's same old bull rush will not ower power Duane..

gg no re
03-18-2012, 04:49 PM
trogdor

WolverineFan
03-18-2012, 04:51 PM
Bills have already said they're going to utilize Mario as a LE. That means he's going to be going up against Butler...and he's going to own that battle.

Fili
03-18-2012, 04:55 PM
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs5/3057734_o.gif

Carr Bombed
03-18-2012, 05:00 PM
In a matchup between D. Brown and C. Norris, I'd still take D. Bown... So Williams doesn't stand a chance

T. Suggs is a much more polished pass rusher and mean D. Brown shut him down in both the games they played against each other. The week we play the Bills, if Mario is matched up against Duane, he might as well by a ticket and sit next to me in the stands, because you' ll be hearing his name about as often as mime.

Rey
03-18-2012, 05:07 PM
Bills have already said they're going to utilize Mario as a LE. That means he's going to be going up against Butler...and he's going to own that battle.

Yep...

And I thought it was just the funniest things reading through some of those comments on the Bills board...

Iceman16
03-18-2012, 05:40 PM
Simple question who wins this battle, Duane Brown or Mario Williams?
Mario. Which one is better value? Duane.

DocBar
03-18-2012, 05:57 PM
Bills have already said they're going to utilize Mario as a LE. That means he's going to be going up against Butler...and he's going to own that battle.When Butler started at LT in '10, I don;t remember him getting beaten by bull rushes. It was the speed guys with more than one move that gave him fits.
It's going to be amusing for all of us who didn't think MW was all that watch the rest slowly realize the same thing.

ToRo_DomiNatioN
03-18-2012, 06:31 PM
Mario. Which one is better value? Duane.

Not value wise, i meant as far as them lining up agaisnt each other. Who is more likely to dominate the other?

G27RR
03-18-2012, 06:34 PM
Not value wise, i meant as far as them lining up agaisnt each other. Who is more likely to dominate the other?

He answered your question, he said Mario.

Then, he added his opinion that Brown is a better value.

Lucky
03-18-2012, 06:54 PM
he's gonna play that game mostly on the strong side against butler. book it.
Exactly. That's how Wade would have played it, and that's how Dave Wannstedt will play it.

Texan_Bill
03-18-2012, 06:56 PM
No worries!! By the time we face the Bills, Mario will be hampered by Plantar Fasciitis, a sports hernia, maybe pectoral issues.......... or Something! So no matter where Mario lines up, our tackles say:

"We got this!"

Carr Bombed
03-18-2012, 07:15 PM
When Butler started at LT in '10, I don;t remember him getting beaten by bull rushes. It was the speed guys with more than one move that gave him fits.
It's going to be amusing for all of us who didn't think MW was all that watch the rest slowly realize the same thing.

:rolleyes: tell me about it..

I can't believe there's posters here who actually believe Mario would get the best of Duane Brown. Not only does Brown hold more value... He's also the better football player.

Mario Williams strictly beats people and gets his sacks with athleticism only (he's extremely lacking in the technique department). Guess what he won't be able to do with Duane Brown.. He won't be able to beat Brown with his athleticism. D. Brown is just as athletic as he is.

Mario Williams is a two trick pony... and one of those tricks isn't very effective either. He's either going to try to bullrush you or he's going to try to run around the edge (thus running himself out of the play more often than not).. he has no spin move, has no inside move, and he still can't use his hands for **** 7 years in. Mario has nothing that he can throw at Duane, that Duane wouldn't be able to handle...

Simply put, Mario doesn't have enough tools in his tool bag to beat Duane Brown and I'm really going to LMAO if Butler stone walls him as well.

Texan_Bill
03-18-2012, 07:26 PM
:rolleyes: tell me about it..

I can't believe there's posters here who actually believe Mario would get the best of Duane Brown. Not only does Brown hold more value... He's also the better football player.

Mario Williams strictly beats people and gets his sacks with athleticism only (he's extremely lacking in the technique department). Guess what he won't be able to do with Duane Brown.. He won't be able to beat Brown with his athleticism. D. Brown is just as athletic as he is.

Mario Williams is a two trick pony... and one of those tricks isn't very effective either. He's either going to try to bullrush you or he's going to try to run around the edge (thus running himself out of the play more often than not).. he has no spin move, has no inside move, and he still can't use his hands for **** 7 years in. Mario has nothing that he can throw at Duane, that Duane wouldn't be able to handle...

Simply put, Mario doesn't have enough tools in his tool bag to beat Duane Brown and I'm really going to LMAO if Butler stone walls him as well.

Mario Williams' high water mark in sacks over the last three years (and BTW, if I haven't said it before - well I have, I like Mario) has been like 9 sacks. Not only is that not $96 - $50 gauranteed NOT worthy, but I'm pretty sure that he never lived up to his $54 mill realized with his Texans rookie contract, but given the other two choices that draft year, I'm okay with it...

The Texans were smart (Cap- hamstrung or not) were smart to not pursue the resigning of Mario...

TEXANRED
03-18-2012, 07:49 PM
This depends on if Mario feels like playing or not.

Malloy
03-18-2012, 07:51 PM
No worries!! By the time we face the Bills, Mario will be hampered by Plantar Fasciitis, a sports hernia, maybe pectoral issues.......... or Something! So no matter where Mario lines up, our tackles say:

"We got this!"

LOL, was about to write that Mario would be on the IR by the time we play the bills :)

kiwitexansfan
03-18-2012, 08:19 PM
Simple question who wins this battle, Duane Brown or Mario Williams?

Simple question back at ya, who picks a username with so many random capital letters?

Oh and Brown, 99/100, but then Mario will idolized as a bronzed god for that one time.

chicagotexan2
03-18-2012, 08:48 PM
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs5/3057734_o.gif

Mario you ain't lining up against Dallas Clark. Clubber Lang will knock you inta tumorah Rock, he'll knock you inta tumorah!!!

dream_team
03-18-2012, 10:12 PM
This depends on if Mario feels like playing or not.

Exactly... and Mario will of course want to rub it in against his old team. Especially if the rumors are true that the Texans didn't even make him an offer.

IMO, a motivated Mario is the best DE in the game.

So I vote Mario.

Iceman16
03-18-2012, 10:37 PM
Not value wise, i meant as far as them lining up agaisnt each other. Who is more likely to dominate the other?
I answered your question. Mario is better at his respective position. Though if you want to get technical, in pretty much every single situation a tackle is going to stop the opposing defensive end from getting a pressure, hurry and/or sack on the majority of possessions in a game, so Duane would win more battles than not.

Trap_Star
03-18-2012, 10:40 PM
the match-up i'm afraid of, if left one-on-one, is dareus against caldwell. :kubepalm:

DocBar
03-18-2012, 11:31 PM
Exactly... and Mario will of course want to rub it in against his old team. Especially if the rumors are true that the Texans didn't even make him an offer.

IMO, a motivated Mario is the best DE in the game.

So I vote Mario.
Which game are you talking about? The NFL, the Bills vs Texans, ping pong?
I can name a handful of better DE's off the top of my head. MW is above average, but far from elite at the position.

Carr Bombed
03-18-2012, 11:47 PM
I answered your question. Mario is better at his respective position. Though if you want to get technical, in pretty much every single situation a tackle is going to stop the opposing defensive end from getting a pressure, hurry and/or sack on the majority of possessions in a game, so Duane would win more battles than not.

Yeah, where your post fails is where you claim Mario is a better player at his "respective position", when he clearly isn't. There is nothing that you can post which will suggest that claim you made is even true. Duane Brown has been the better player at his "respective position" :rolleyes: and injury issues aside... the comparison isn't even close.

dream_team
03-19-2012, 12:07 AM
Which game are you talking about? The NFL, the Bills vs Texans, ping pong?
I can name a handful of better DE's off the top of my head. MW is above average, but far from elite at the position.

Just my opinion, I know most may not agree. Now I didn't say he IS the best, but he has proven to me he CAN be if he wanted to. He has all the measurables, athleticism, and talent to do it.

noxiousdog
03-19-2012, 12:23 AM
Yeah, where your post fails is where you claim Mario is a better player at his "respective position", when he clearly isn't. There is nothing that you can post which will suggest that claim you made is even true. Duane Brown has been the better player at his "respective position" :rolleyes: and injury issues aside... the comparison isn't even close.

Right. Mario has been to 2 pro-bowls and 3 all-pro teams (2 firsts, 1 second) and was made the highest paid defensive player in football.

It's not close by any standard.

I can see letting him go, but can we please stop pretending he's just 'better than average'

Norg
03-19-2012, 12:40 AM
yeah does not matter Mario will be injured by the time we play the bills even if its in wk 2 LOL

But yea Butler would IMO have a hard time with mario so i would hope its Butler + TE or RB Help

Carr Bombed
03-19-2012, 12:49 AM
Right. Mario has been to 2 pro-bowls and 3 all-pro teams (2 firsts, 1 second) and was made the highest paid defensive player in football.

It's not close by any standard.

I can see letting him go, but can we pleasye stop pretending he's just 'better than average'

Right... and he's barely cracked the top 10 in yearly sack totals during the same time that Duane has been in the league. :rolleyes: And can we please stop ignoring the fact that we have a LT who's actually playing at at a elite level. Spare me the pro bowl nominations, lol like that proves Mario has been a better player than Duane Brown

DocBar
03-19-2012, 01:52 AM
Right. Mario has been to 2 pro-bowls and 3 all-pro teams (2 firsts, 1 second) and was made the highest paid defensive player in football.

It's not close by any standard.

I can see letting him go, but can we please stop pretending he's just 'better than average'Are you trying to say that being voted to pro bowls is some way of saying a player is really good? That's a hoot. The pro bowl is nothing but a popularity contest. Guys having suck seasons go every single year based on name recognition.

What has MW shown you that makes you think he's well above average at his position?
Why not go ahead and list who you think are the best DE's in the league and post their 6 year stats on here? You'll be surprised at how far MW is from being elite at his position.

imatexan
03-19-2012, 01:53 AM
Clutchfans type thread.

dream_team
03-19-2012, 02:04 AM
Are you trying to say that being voted to pro bowls is some way of saying a player is really good? That's a hoot. The pro bowl is nothing but a popularity contest. Guys having suck seasons go every single year based on name recognition.

What has MW shown you that makes you think he's well above average at his position?
Why not go ahead and list who you think are the best DE's in the league and post their 6 year stats on here? You'll be surprised at how far MW is from being elite at his position.

If you ask other NFL players who the best DE in that game is right now, majority of them will say Julius Peppers. This was evident in the NFL Network's Top 100 player list. So why don't we compare their stats, since that's how you measure "better players".

Mario Williams
0.65 sacks/game
2.34 tackles/game

Julius Peppers
0.66 sacks/game
2.54 tackles/game

The stats seem to be pretty close.

DocBar
03-19-2012, 02:10 AM
If you ask other NFL players who the best DE in that game is right now, majority of them will say Julius Peppers. This was evident in the NFL Network's Top 100 player list. So why don't we compare their stats, since that's how you measure "better players".

Mario Williams
0.65 sacks/game
2.34 tackles/game

Julius Peppers
0.66 sacks/game
2.54 tackles/game

The stats seem to be pretty close.I posted the 6 year stats for MW, Freeney, Peppers, Allen and Ware in another thread. MW is FAR behind the other 4 in the 1st 6 years in the league. Peppers doesn't have a lot of sacks, but compare him in other areas.
MW (http://www.nfl.com/player/mariowilliams/2495982/profile)
Peppers (http://www.nfl.com/player/juliuspeppers/2505010/profile)
Freeney (http://www.nfl.com/player/dwightfreeney/2505016/profile)
Allen (http://www.nfl.com/player/jaredallen/2505940/profile)
Abraham (http://www.nfl.com/player/johnabraham/2504171/profile)

NastyNate
03-19-2012, 03:29 AM
What does this question even mean? What's the context?

One snap until whistle is blown dead, winner takes all? Then either can come out of it on top.

Through the course of an entire game? I think Brown could hold his own, Mario will get by him a couple of times and get a sack or two, but not enough for us to seriously worry.

Bills have already said they're going to utilize Mario as a LE. That means he's going to be going up against Butler...and he's going to own that battle.

This depends on if Mario feels like playing or not.

Exactly... and Mario will of course want to rub it in against his old team. Especially if the rumors are true that the Texans didn't even make him an offer.

IMO, a motivated Mario is the best DE in the game.

So I vote Mario.

yeah does not matter Mario will be injured by the time we play the bills even if its in wk 2 LOL

But yea Butler would IMO have a hard time with mario so i would hope its Butler + TE or RB Help

You are all delusional. Name the last game/person Duane Brown surrendered a sack against... Okay I'm still waiting... Okay still waiting... that's what I thought. 600+ pass attempts strong and not a single sack surrendered, you're all drunk. Duane Brown is the real deal, would make Mario a non-factor for 60 minutes no problem.

Scooter
03-19-2012, 03:37 AM
i'm with nate. mario's a freak athlete and i petitioned pretty hard to keep him, but duane has grown exponentially each season and is abusing the best pass rushers in the game. mario would give duane more trouble than most because of his strength, but duane would win this matchup.

DocBar
03-19-2012, 04:04 AM
i'm with nate. mario's a freak athlete and i petitioned pretty hard to keep him, but duane has grown exponentially each season and is abusing the best pass rushers in the game. mario would give duane more trouble than most because of his strength, but duane would win this matchup.A freak athlete does not an elite passrusher make. How many freak athletes have we all seen utterly fail as a football player? The fact that MW has been above average as a DE shows just how exceptional an athlete he really is and how bad his football IQ/talent is.

Seņor Stan
03-19-2012, 06:35 AM
No worries!! By the time we face the Bills, Mario will be hampered by Plantar Fasciitis, a sports hernia, maybe pectoral issues.......... or Something!



ahem...I believe the correct medical term is "torn boobie muscle"...I'm sure CnD can back me up on this.

thunderkyss
03-19-2012, 08:33 AM
You are all delusional. Name the last game/person Duane Brown surrendered a sack against... Okay I'm still waiting... Okay still waiting... that's what I thought. 600+ pass attempts strong and not a single sack surrendered, you're all drunk. Duane Brown is the real deal, would make Mario a non-factor for 60 minutes no problem.

Add the fact that we played what? 6 of 2011's top ten defenses? Duane Brown ain't chopped liver.

At the same time, Mario ain't the punk many around here would have you believe. Mario may sack Tj Yates (or whoever our QB will be for the game) twice.... Texans may still win & we'll say Brown owned.

Mario may force three fumbles & return one for a TD, but with no sacks, we'll say Brown owned.

Mario may shut off the run game to his side, Texans still win & we'll say Brown owned.

This is a Texans' board, so if we're going to go by popular opinion at the end of the game, I'm going to say with certainty, that Duane Brown will win the "battle"

Butt (I hear Dreadhead likes those things) I know I'm going to be watching a hell of a game for this matchup alone. Best against the best, the way it's supposed to be.

Texan_Bill
03-19-2012, 08:45 AM
ahem...I believe the correct medical term is "torn boobie muscle"...I'm sure CnD can back me up on this.

:spit:

Doc, any thoughts?

noxiousdog
03-19-2012, 08:46 AM
Are you trying to say that being voted to pro bowls is some way of saying a player is really good? That's a hoot. The pro bowl is nothing but a popularity contest. Guys having suck seasons go every single year based on name recognition.

What has MW shown you that makes you think he's well above average at his position?
Why not go ahead and list who you think are the best DE's in the league and post their 6 year stats on here? You'll be surprised at how far MW is from being elite at his position.

Nice to ignore all-pro (which isn't a popularity contest) and the rest of the NFLs interest that caused the Bills to make him the highest paid defensive player.

I would be shocked if Duane Brown will be made the highest paid left tackle, and not just because he takes less to stay here.

thunderkyss
03-19-2012, 08:51 AM
Nice to ignore all-pro (which isn't a popularity contest) and the rest of the NFLs interest that caused the Bills to make him the highest paid defensive player.


Don't forget top 100 player.

There are 32 teams in the NFL, 53 men on each roster. For a total of 1,696 players. Mario is considered by many to be in the top 5%

That looks something like elite to me.

Texan_Bill
03-19-2012, 08:55 AM
Right. Mario has been to 2 pro-bowls and 3 all-pro teams (2 firsts, 1 second) and was made the highest paid defensive player in football.

It's not close by any standard.

I can see letting him go, but can we please stop pretending he's just 'better than average'

2 All-pros. 2007 & 2008. Since his first all-pro season 2007's 14 sacks (12 in 2008), his numbers have steadily declined every year.

The Bills stepped completely outside their minds paying an oft injured player that kind of money.

Carlos Lee thinks Mario's deal is ridiculous!

ckhouston
03-19-2012, 08:57 AM
Stop talking about Mario. He is not a Texan anymore.

thunderkyss
03-19-2012, 09:03 AM
2 All-pros. 2007 & 2008. Since his first all-pro season 2007's 14 sacks (12 in 2008), his numbers have steadily declined every year.

The Bills stepped completely outside their minds paying an oft injured player that kind of money.

Carlos Lee thinks Mario's deal is ridiculous!

You make good points.

We've got this other guy on our team who accumulated 1,575 receiving yards in 2008. Since then, it's been a steady decline. 1,569 in 2009, 1,216 in 2010m & a mere 492 yards in 2011. This guy has missed significant time over the last two years; 3 games in 2010, & 9 games in 2011 (maybe that's why his numbers have declined, but I can't put two & two together, so I don't know).....

the guy is a shadow of his former self. Declining production & can't stay on the field. Every time he runs down the field or catches the ball, I cringe with what might happen.

We should maximize his value right now & trade him away.

Thanks for showing me the light Bill.

Texan_Bill
03-19-2012, 09:03 AM
Stop talking about Mario. He is not a Texan anymore.

We're not. We're talking about how our two tackles will destroy an over-paid, often injured defensive end.

Ole Miss Texan
03-19-2012, 09:10 AM
Bills are going to a have a pretty stout D-Line this season. I hope Wade doesn't dismiss Mario as much as the Texans Talk faithful seems to be.

drunkcookie
03-19-2012, 09:17 AM
I answered your question. Mario is better at his respective position. Though if you want to get technical, in pretty much every single situation a tackle is going to stop the opposing defensive end from getting a pressure, hurry and/or sack on the majority of possessions in a game, so Duane would win more battles than not.

I don't think you can say Mario is better at his position than Brown is at his... Brown is an elite left tackle, Mario is a very good DE (could be elite if he can stay healthy and stop getting those nagging injuries)... To be quite honest with you, i think before Mario went on IR this past season he was playing better at OLB than he ever has at DE...jmo

As for the rest, i'm pretty sure we all understand who would win the majority of "plays", so no explanation was needed, we're not all dumbasses... We know it's a whole game... With 35 passing plays and Brown winning 30 of those it's still a loss overall for Brown if the QB is sacked twice and rushed/pressured heavily three times with knockdowns in each...

I think Brown wins 3 out of 5...

TheCD
03-19-2012, 10:35 AM
Bills have already said they're going to utilize Mario as a LE. That means he's going to be going up against Butler...and he's going to own that battle.

Hold on just a minute there, partner...

We all know that the guy locking down Mario is going to be Owen Daniels. After all, Mario can't beat TEs blocking him, right? :kitten:

DocBar
03-19-2012, 11:30 PM
Nice to ignore all-pro (which isn't a popularity contest) and the rest of the NFLs interest that caused the Bills to make him the highest paid defensive player.

I would be shocked if Duane Brown will be made the highest paid left tackle, and not just because he takes less to stay here.He plays a position that's in high demand. I never said MW sucked. I've consistently said he's above average. It's nice of you to ignore how he compares to other DE's who are or were considered elite. MW pales in comparison.

thunderkyss
03-19-2012, 11:42 PM
He plays a position that's in high demand. I never said MW sucked. I've consistently said he's above average. It's nice of you to ignore how he compares to other DE's who are or were considered elite. MW pales in comparison.

Mario pales when you compare single season sack stats. Check Mario out against the run, there isn't a DE that plays the position better. Check out Mario's sacks per game, he's on par with Peppers.

DocBar
03-20-2012, 12:59 AM
Mario pales when you compare single season sack stats. Check Mario out against the run, there isn't a DE that plays the position better. Check out Mario's sacks per game, he's on par with Peppers.
Check out the links I listed before in this thread in post #37. Compare MW to "elite" DE's and he's exactly what I said: above average, but certainly not elite.
EDIT: I also happen to think that Peppers is above average but not elite. Just because some team decides to break the bank to get a player doesn't make that player elite. Look around the league at the number of players that are paid far above their performance.

fiasco west
03-20-2012, 03:16 AM
Nice to ignore all-pro (which isn't a popularity contest) and the rest of the NFLs interest that caused the Bills to make him the highest paid defensive player.

I would be shocked if Duane Brown will be made the highest paid left tackle, and not just because he takes less to stay here.

Mario is a great player! I'm a little miffed he didn't take less for a chance at being on a legendary defense but you are selling Duane short here.

He was a elite LT last season. He's not made any all-pros but trust me, Olinemen get those rewards on recognition. He's a 2nd team All-pro and once people realize how dominant a linemen is he will get voted into these pro-bowls and all pro teams by default.

Duane is I think a better player than Mario and I wanted Mario back and yada yada all that. But Duane dominated any pass rusher that came his way including guys who have dominated tackles for their whole career.

noxiousdog
03-20-2012, 08:57 AM
He plays a position that's in high demand. I never said MW sucked. I've consistently said he's above average. It's nice of you to ignore how he compares to other DE's who are or were considered elite. MW pales in comparison.

If he pales, why did he get Julius Peppers money while other players at his position didn't?

noxiousdog
03-20-2012, 09:04 AM
He was a elite LT last season. He's not made any all-pros but trust me, Olinemen get those rewards on recognition. He's a 2nd team All-pro and once people realize how dominant a linemen is he will get voted into these pro-bowls and all pro teams by default.

Duane is I think a better player than Mario and I wanted Mario back and yada yada all that. But Duane dominated any pass rusher that came his way including guys who have dominated tackles for their whole career.


He did great. I don't even have a problem with people saying Duane is better, though I disagree. It's certainly within the realm of possibility. Mario's certainly not 50% better which is the salary commitment it would have taken.

But the 'no comparison' argument is ludicrous. Both are borderline elite by the people who are paid to make the decisions. And while it only takes one organization to make a dumb offer, it's not like that wasn't the consensus (except for a bunch of sour grapes here) opinion.

ObsiWan
03-20-2012, 09:37 AM
You make good points.

We've got this other guy on our team who accumulated 1,575 receiving yards in 2008. Since then, it's been a steady decline. 1,569 in 2009, 1,216 in 2010m & a mere 492 yards in 2011. This guy has missed significant time over the last two years; 3 games in 2010, & 9 games in 2011 (maybe that's why his numbers have declined, but I can't put two & two together, so I don't know).....

the guy is a shadow of his former self. Declining production & can't stay on the field. Every time he runs down the field or catches the ball, I cringe with what might happen.

We should maximize his value right now & trade him away.

Thanks for showing me the light Bill.

You make excellent points TK....

At least Mario has a couple of double-digit sack seasons.
This guy has never recorded a double-digit TD season in his nine-year career.

I will admit this dude has made it to the Pro-Bowl five times....
oh wait, I forgot... "The pro bowl is nothing but a popularity contest. Guys having suck seasons go every single year based on name recognition."
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Andre_Johnson_-_Houston_Texans.jpg/220px-Andre_Johnson_-_Houston_Texans.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Andre_Johnson_-_Houston_Texans.jpg)
How much longer before they unload this dude?

:D

Texan_Bill
03-20-2012, 09:42 AM
If he pales, why did he get Julius Peppers money while other players at his position didn't?

Simple, because the Bills needed to spend their way back into relevancy and needed to ignite their fanbase (evidenced by season ticket sales), thus overspending for one of the top free-agents this offseason.

noxiousdog
03-20-2012, 09:53 AM
Simple, because the Bills needed to spend their way back into relevancy and needed to ignite their fanbase (evidenced by season ticket sales), thus overspending for one of the top free-agents this offseason.

That's a nice theory, but doesn't explain why they didn't pay someone else. It doesn't explain why they didn't pay him just enough to sign with them. It doesn't explain why people said he'd get Julius Peppers money before the Bills got involved. It also doesn't explain why he was at the very top of (nearly?) every free agent available list.

Common consensus on Albert Haynesworth was that the Redskins spent way too much. Common consensus on Williams is that the Bills made a good move.

I hope y'all are right, quite frankly. I don't want him to do well for Buffalo or anyone else but the Texans. But that's not where I'd put my money.

Texan_Bill
03-20-2012, 10:28 AM
That's a nice theory, but doesn't explain why they didn't pay someone else. It doesn't explain why they didn't pay him just enough to sign with them. It doesn't explain why people said he'd get Julius Peppers money before the Bills got involved. It also doesn't explain why he was at the very top of (nearly?) every free agent available list.

Common consensus on Albert Haynesworth was that the Redskins spent way too much. Common consensus on Williams is that the Bills made a good move.

I hope y'all are right, quite frankly. I don't want him to do well for Buffalo or anyone else but the Texans. But that's not where I'd put my money.

Whoever thinks the Bills spending that much on Mario was a good idea needs to put the pipe down. Mario wasn't worth the $54 million that he got from his rookie contract and this is coming from a Mario fan.

The Bills felt like they needed to make a splash so they overspent for a guy that shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Peppers. In six seasons with the Texans Mario has had double digit sacks twice (2007 & 2008). In 10 season Peppers has only single digit sacks 3 times (2003, 2007 & 2010).

With regards to Haynesworth, people thought the Redskins overspent because everyone knew he was a cancer and knew he half-assed it on a lot of plays.

That said and to keep it relevant, our tackles (either one) will eat Mario's lunch and take his milk money. :D

Blake
03-20-2012, 10:45 AM
Stop talking about Mario. He is not a Texan anymore.

? - We discuss plenty of non Texans in this area. Shawntee Spencer, Mike Wallace, Vickers.

Iceman16
03-20-2012, 01:32 PM
Yeah, where your post fails is where you claim Mario is a better player at his "respective position", when he clearly isn't.
As a Texans fan I can see why you would say this, but anybody that knows anything about football knows that you're wrong.

Iceman16
03-20-2012, 01:34 PM
And can we please stop ignoring the fact that we have a LT who's actually playing at at a elite level.
Lol? We're not doing that (not that I'd say Brown has played at an elite level, but he's been close), but that has nothing to do with Mario, who is a better pass rusher than Duane is a pass blocker. It's close, but it's the facts.

Iceman16
03-20-2012, 01:37 PM
Nice to ignore all-pro (which isn't a popularity contest)
Hate to break it to you but that's also a popularity contest, there were a handful of bad All-Pro selections this past season. Charles Woodson was a 1st-Team All-Pro this past season, lmao.

Iceman16
03-20-2012, 01:38 PM
To be quite honest with you, i think before Mario went on IR this past season he was playing better at OLB than he ever has at DE...jmo
Had a lot more to do with switching from a series of the worst defensive coordinators in the league to the second-best defensive coordinator in the league.

noxiousdog
03-20-2012, 03:36 PM
Hate to break it to you but that's also a popularity contest, there were a handful of bad All-Pro selections this past season. Charles Woodson was a 1st-Team All-Pro this past season, lmao.

I didn't watch enough Green Bay games to comment on his play specifically, but he led the league in interceptions... again.

That's going to get you a lot of deserved votes.

noxiousdog
03-20-2012, 04:00 PM
And it deserves to be noted Duane Brown was selected 2nd team all-pro this year.

:doot:

DocBar
03-20-2012, 09:21 PM
LINKhttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/17920118/the-replacements-grading-fillins-for-stars-jumping-to-other-teams

Texans defensive end Mario Williams to the Bills

Replacement: Brooks Reed

The Skinny: When Williams went down with a torn pectoral muscle, the Texans moved Conner Barwin to Williams' side and inserted rookie Brooks Reed into the starting lineup. Barwin had 11 1/2 sacks and Reed had 6 1/2, and added 3 1/2 more in the playoffs. Neither player has Williams' physical ability, but both play hard and can be double-digit sack guys in this defense.

Grade the Replacement: B+ I wish they would get it right and say that Barwin is replacing Williams and Reed is replacing Barwin. How freaking hard is that to figure out???
Barwin is already a double-digit sack guy at that position.