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SW H-TOWN
03-17-2012, 12:39 PM
I saw where McClain wrote that we are at 4.2 million under the cap after re-signing Myers. In 2013 we have a lot UFA who are coming off their first contract…due for a pay raise. Here is a list of our 2013 UFA that get playing time. Also listed are their 2012 cap figures per spotrac.com and little personal commentary. I have 2 groups; the first is composed of players whose cap figure will increase. The second is composed of players whose cap figure will stay in the same general area or decrease.

Group # 1
Connor Barwin - $ 917,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Duane Brown - $ 2,661,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Rashard Butler - $ 1,925,000 (cap figure will increase)
Antoine Caldwell - $ 816,062 (cap figure will increase)
Glover Quin - $ 607,304 (cap figure will increase)
Brice McCain - $ 1,333,437 (cap figure will increase)
James Casey - $ 661,250 (cap figure will increase)
Tim Jamison - $ 615,000 (cap figure will increase)
Troy Nolan - $ 579,565 (cap number will increase)

Group # 2
Matt Schaub - $ 8,316,667
Shaun Cody - $ 2,000,000

Personally this does not look to good to me but I am no cap expert. It seems that Rick Smith will have to get creative. Insight, commentary, opinions…

drunkcookie
03-17-2012, 12:43 PM
Looks like it will be tough... sucks to have so many good players in regards to the cap...

We don't even know the "true" cap right now, I've seen so many different numbers... I'll wait 'til next year to get involved in next year's cap discussion...

SW H-TOWN
03-17-2012, 12:49 PM
I hope Smith is crunching some numbers because there are a lot of starters in group one.

SW H-TOWN
03-17-2012, 12:51 PM
Probably very early for this post but the crap that we just went through to get under the cap had me thinking about next year. Hope that cap goes up more than it did this year.

panamamyers
03-17-2012, 12:55 PM
McCain, Jamison and Nolan are gone in my opinion.
Daniels, Demeco and Walter can all be dropped.

buddyboy
03-17-2012, 12:58 PM
I'm scared...

SW H-TOWN
03-17-2012, 01:01 PM
McCain, Jamison and Nolan are gone in my opinion.
Daniels, Demeco and Walter can all be dropped.

I was looking at the numbers and contracts and Antionio Smith stood out. UFA in 2 years and 6m salary after next year.

Lucky
03-17-2012, 02:51 PM
This forum has become salary cap obsessed. Now we're up in arms about the 2013 cap? Let's enjoy the 2012 season before panicking.

Dutchrudder
03-17-2012, 03:00 PM
Rashard Butler - $ 1,925,000 (cap figure will increase)
Antoine Caldwell - $ 816,062 (cap figure will increase)
James Casey - $ 661,250 (cap figure will increase)
Tim Jamison - $ 615,000 (cap figure will increase)
Troy Nolan - $ 579,565 (cap number will increase)
Shaun Cody - $ 2,000,000


None of these guys will command significant money. I wouldn't worry about them. Quin and McCain are replaceable. Schaub is yet to be determined based on performance this season. Barwin needs to prove himself this season if he wants a big payday. Brown will definitely get a lot of money, even if he gets injured this year. We certainly have issues coming up, but I expect a lot of dead money to be off the books next year and the cap itself to increase enough to help us fit the main guys in.

SW H-TOWN
03-17-2012, 03:23 PM
None of these guys will command significant money. I wouldn't worry about them. Quin and McCain are replaceable. Schaub is yet to be determined based on performance this season. Barwin needs to prove himself this season if he wants a big payday. Brown will definitely get a lot of money, even if he gets injured this year. We certainly have issues coming up, but I expect a lot of dead money to be off the books next year and the cap itself to increase enough to help us fit the main guys in.

Good post, thanks. Lucky I'm not freaking out, I created this thread because I wanted to hear the opinions of other people about the situation. Personally I am more interested in this than who will have more sacks next year (Barwin or Mario) but that's just me. I also find this topic interesting because the draft is coming up and the FO should be looking at players not only to fill needs and add depth this year but also draft players based on what they see or have planed for next year.

badboy
03-17-2012, 05:26 PM
I saw where McClain wrote that we are at 4.2 million under the cap after re-signing Myers. In 2013 we have a lot UFA who are coming off their first contract…due for a pay raise. Here is a list of our 2013 UFA that get playing time. Also listed are their 2012 cap figures per spotrac.com and little personal commentary. I have 2 groups; the first is composed of players whose cap figure will increase. The second is composed of players whose cap figure will stay in the same general area or decrease.

Group # 1
Connor Barwin - $ 917,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Duane Brown - $ 2,661,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Rashard Butler - $ 1,925,000 (cap figure will increase)
Antoine Caldwell - $ 816,062 (cap figure will increase)
Glover Quin - $ 607,304 (cap figure will increase)
Brice McCain - $ 1,333,437 (cap figure will increase)
James Casey - $ 661,250 (cap figure will increase)
Tim Jamison - $ 615,000 (cap figure will increase)
Troy Nolan - $ 579,565 (cap number will increase)

Group # 2
Matt Schaub - $ 8,316,667
Shaun Cody - $ 2,000,000

Personally this does not look to good to me but I am no cap expert. It seems that Rick Smith will have to get creative. Insight, commentary, opinions…I think Texans are very concerned about 2013 but remember the 2014 season hopefully offers significant increase in cap. I do expect to see some Winston type moves. We need very good drafts in next two years to replace some of our current vets with lower contracts.

dream_team
03-17-2012, 07:11 PM
I saw where McClain wrote that we are at 4.2 million under the cap after re-signing Myers. In 2013 we have a lot UFA who are coming off their first contract…due for a pay raise. Here is a list of our 2013 UFA that get playing time. Also listed are their 2012 cap figures per spotrac.com and little personal commentary. I have 2 groups; the first is composed of players whose cap figure will increase. The second is composed of players whose cap figure will stay in the same general area or decrease.

Group # 1
Connor Barwin - $ 917,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Duane Brown - $ 2,661,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Rashard Butler - $ 1,925,000 (cap figure will increase)
Antoine Caldwell - $ 816,062 (cap figure will increase)
Glover Quin - $ 607,304 (cap figure will increase)
Brice McCain - $ 1,333,437 (cap figure will increase)
James Casey - $ 661,250 (cap figure will increase)
Tim Jamison - $ 615,000 (cap figure will increase)
Troy Nolan - $ 579,565 (cap number will increase)

Group # 2
Matt Schaub - $ 8,316,667
Shaun Cody - $ 2,000,000

Personally this does not look to good to me but I am no cap expert. It seems that Rick Smith will have to get creative. Insight, commentary, opinions…

That figure for McCain can't be right. GQ was chosen in the same draft, at the same position, but two rounds earlier. How is McCain getting paid twice as much?

Dutchrudder
03-17-2012, 07:38 PM
That figure for McCain can't be right. GQ was chosen in the same draft, at the same position, but two rounds earlier. How is McCain getting paid twice as much?

Playtime incentives boosted him this year. Dunno how Glover Quin didn't get it as well though, unless it just hasn't been reported yet.

SW H-TOWN
03-17-2012, 07:40 PM
That figure for McCain can't be right. GQ was chosen in the same draft, at the same position, but two rounds earlier. How is McCain getting paid twice as much?

I got that number from spotrac.com Alan Burge from the Houston Texans Examiner states that Brice McCain will recieve an extra 693,000 in base pay for 2012 via a staff writer for footballoutsiders.com I suppose that is where the increase comes from.

SW H-TOWN
03-17-2012, 07:45 PM
Later states that McCain's base pay will be 1.308 million. Also states that Brown will receive a 1.3 increase in base pay for having over 80% playing time in three seasons.

G27RR
03-17-2012, 07:46 PM
Playtime incentives boosted him this year. Dunno how Glover Quin didn't get it as well though, unless it just hasn't been reported yet.

Even without an incentive, GQ's contract will earn him about $400k more than McCain's appears to with an incentive. Also, GQ had a pretty good sized signing bonus, which he was paid upfront, and McCain didn't. So GQ did appear to get a better deal overall. If he does get an incentive it will just be that much more.

dream_team
03-17-2012, 07:53 PM
Even without an incentive, GQ's contract will earn him about $400k more than McCain's appears to with an incentive. Also, GQ had a pretty good sized signing bonus, which he was paid upfront, and McCain didn't. So GQ did appear to get a better deal overall. If he does get an incentive it will just be that much more.

OK, this makes more sense. Contracts for draft picks are pretty standard, especially for players outside of round 1. So even with incentives, you'd think GQ would still make more money.

G27RR
03-17-2012, 08:01 PM
OK, this makes more sense. Contracts for draft picks are pretty standard, especially for players outside of round 1. So even with incentives, you'd think GQ would still make more money.

Right, the earlier picks get more upfront and some annual escalations. The lower picks either don't get any or get very small upfront money, have small annual escalations, and then have incentives that can get them closer to an earlier round guy if their performance justifies it.

First round guys get more upfront and also have bigger annual escalations (dollar wise, because they start bigger to begin with).

I believe rookie contracts are limited to 25% inreases to base pay annually under the new CBA.

Imatexanfan
03-18-2012, 02:03 PM
I'll play for em for $100k no prob w/o incentives...:kitten:

Wolf6151
03-19-2012, 02:01 AM
Who will be reaching Free Agency at this time next year besides Duane Brown and Rashad Butler? Also do you think the Texans might be looking ahead and drafting next years replacements this year? I know it's a little early to be thinking about 2013 but good teams look ahead and plan for the future and next years FA's could affect the 2012 draft.

Ole Miss Texan
03-19-2012, 09:30 AM
I think this is such a relevant thread to this season it's crazy. People may think "let's worry about 2012"... but if that's all we worry about there will be ZERO room to sign these even more important guys next year. You better believe Rick Smith and Chris Olsen are looking at this and that's affecting what kind of offers they put on the table right now.

When we extend new deals or restructure existing contracts, 99% of the time the cap hit is lowest in the year you do it. That means in 2013, Foster and Myers cap hits are going up. On top of that you've got all other exisisting deals that are going up and it's going to squeeze us even more.

Andre Johnson goes from $4.8M hit in 2012 to $10.3M in 2013.
Brian Cushing goes from $2.3M hit in 2012 to $5.6M in 2013.

Expiring deals of Matt Schaub, Duane Brown, Antonio Smith and Connor Barwin.

Joseph $10M
Demeco $7.8M
Antonio $8.5M

If we think this free agency period is boring, I can't wait to see the boards in 359 days. If we had re-signed Mario for even $10-12M per year... you could have said goodbye to a couple guys above. Shoot we still may have to. The TV revenue can't come soon enough.

ObsiWan
03-19-2012, 10:31 AM
They should plan as if the cap is going to remain stagnant. They got burned this time by thinking - and maybe with some justification - that the cap was going to increase. Well, the cap didn't increase because changes to the CBA ate into any increased revenues/profits and therefore the salary cap.

I look at it like I do my budget. I know what I make now. I fairly sure I'm going to get a raise but I don't count on it when doing out-year planning. That way, I know I can cover what I want with what I've got. And if I get any extra, then that's gravy. I can bank it or I can splurge.

That's what we should do. Plan such that the salaries of core team members to fit into what we have. Offer reasonable (but not insulting) extensions to said people. Keep up a list of year-to-year "cutables" to insure we keep the core intact accounting for their salary increases. And if the salary cap remains stagnant, we're okay. If it goes up, super!

Just a thought.

SW H-TOWN
03-19-2012, 06:48 PM
Who will be reaching Free Agency at this time next year besides Duane Brown and Rashad Butler? Also do you think the Texans might be looking ahead and drafting next years replacements this year? I know it's a little early to be thinking about 2013 but good teams look ahead and plan for the future and next years FA's could affect the 2012 draft.

I saw where McClain wrote that we are at 4.2 million under the cap after re-signing Myers. In 2013 we have a lot UFA who are coming off their first contract…due for a pay raise. Here is a list of our 2013 UFA that get playing time. Also listed are their 2012 cap figures per spotrac.com and little personal commentary. I have 2 groups; the first is composed of players whose cap figure will increase. The second is composed of players whose cap figure will stay in the same general area or decrease.

Group # 1
Connor Barwin - $ 917,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Duane Brown - $ 2,661,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Rashard Butler - $ 1,925,000 (cap figure will increase)
Antoine Caldwell - $ 816,062 (cap figure will increase)
Glover Quin - $ 607,304 (cap figure will increase)
Brice McCain - $ 1,333,437 (cap figure will increase)
James Casey - $ 661,250 (cap figure will increase)
Tim Jamison - $ 615,000 (cap figure will increase)
Troy Nolan - $ 579,565 (cap number will increase)

Group # 2
Matt Schaub - $ 8,316,667
Shaun Cody - $ 2,000,000

Personally this does not look to good to me but I am no cap expert. It seems that Rick Smith will have to get creative. Insight, commentary, opinions…

Here are the guys.

Wolf6151
03-21-2012, 05:19 AM
Connor Barwin - $ 917,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Duane Brown - $ 2,661,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Rashard Butler - $ 1,925,000 (cap figure will increase)
Antoine Caldwell - $ 816,062 (cap figure will increase)
Glover Quin - $ 607,304 (cap figure will increase)
Brice McCain - $ 1,333,437 (cap figure will increase)
James Casey - $ 661,250 (cap figure will increase)
Tim Jamison - $ 615,000 (cap figure will increase)
Troy Nolan - $ 579,565 (cap number will increase)
Matt Schaub - $ 8,316,667
Shaun Cody - $ 2,000,000


I think Barwin, Brown, Quin, Schaub, and possibly Nolan will be re-signed/extended either this off season or next. Nolan only because he'd come cheap. I think many of the salary cap movements that have been made lately are for this reason, extending some of these guys this year before they hit FA. I can see us drafting a NT and RT this year (Brandon Thompson and Bobby Massie) to rotate with Cody and Butler for a year and then allowing Cody and Butler to walk after next season. Keeping Caldwell will all depend on how he plays this next season. He doesn't make huge money and wouldn't be terribly expensive to re-sign if he plays well but he'd be easily replaced if he sucks like he did when filling in for Brisiel last season. Caldwell to me has been a disappointment, I had high hopes for him. Guys like Jamison, and McCain are most likely salary cap casualties and easily replaced. Casey I'm not sure about, he might be retained after next season and promoted to #2 TE but not because he's great, see below.

2 other players might be released for salary cap reasons that aren't on this list. Owen Daniels and Antonio Smith. Both have been with the team for a number of years now, are getting older and more expensive in their contracts, and could easily be cut like Winston since neither will have much trade value due to their high contracts and age/injury history. I think we'll let Dreesen walk and promote Graham to #2 TE this year and then if he plays well he's set up to take over for OD after next season. I can also see the Texans also picking up a guy like Derek Wolfe-DT/DE in the 2nd or 3rd round to play behind Smith for a year and then take over after next season. Next years FA period could be even more brutal to alot of players and fans than this year since there will be more quality players reaching FA than this year so prepare yourselves. Cutting expensive players when they become less cost effective is just part of NFL life.

Dutchrudder
03-21-2012, 08:23 AM
This is probably gonna get buried in the Ryans thread, so here's his estimated cap hit for 2012. Will be off the books for 2013.

Adam Caplan was just on 790 discussing the trade and one thing he mentioned was Demeco's restructure from last year. He said that he emailed a guy to get a copy of his contract and that Ryans converted 5 million of his salary to signing bonus in 2011 just after the lockout to help the team with capspace. So that would leave 4 million in restructure money on his contract that hits the Texans' cap this year, plus the remainder of his original signing bonus which is 4.5 million according to sporttrac. That's at least an 8.5 million dollar cap hit this year for trading him.

aussie_texan
03-21-2012, 08:40 AM
This is probably gonna get buried in the Ryans thread, so here's his estimated cap hit for 2012. Will be off the books for 2013.

Adam Caplan was just on 790 discussing the trade and one thing he mentioned was Demeco's restructure from last year. He said that he emailed a guy to get a copy of his contract and that Ryans converted 5 million of his salary to signing bonus in 2011 just after the lockout to help the team with capspace. So that would leave 4 million in restructure money on his contract that hits the Texans' cap this year, plus the remainder of his original signing bonus which is 4.5 million according to sporttrac. That's at least an 8.5 million dollar cap hit this year for trading him.

wow

Lucky
03-21-2012, 09:06 AM
So that would leave 4 million in restructure money on his contract that hits the Texans' cap this year, plus the remainder of his original signing bonus which is 4.5 million according to sporttrac. That's at least an 8.5 million dollar cap hit this year for trading him.

Right, but you also have to consider Ryans non-guaranteed portion of base salary in 2012 that no longer counts against the cap. So it would be non-accrued signing bonus + guaranteed salary - non-guaranteed salary. I think Caplan said the total cap hit was $4.5 million.

Which begs the question, is the draft pick worth it? Just cutting Ryans allowed the Texans to spread the hit over two seasons. There's what, a 25% chance at getting a good player in the 4th round? Sometimes, too much is made from chasing draft picks.

Ole Miss Texan
03-21-2012, 09:39 AM
Right, but you also have to consider Ryans non-guaranteed portion of base salary in 2012 that no longer counts against the cap. So it would be non-accrued signing bonus + guaranteed salary - non-guaranteed salary. I think Caplan said the total cap hit was $4.5 million.

Which begs the question, is the draft pick worth it? Just cutting Ryans allowed the Texans to spread the hit over two seasons. There's what, a 25% chance at getting a good player in the 4th round? Sometimes, too much is made from chasing draft picks.
I think the move was made MORE for the cap savings in 2013, 2014 and 2015... where it will be huge. The draft pick made the "cap cut" that much more bearable. If he was going to be a cap casualty next year, why not take the hit this year (if you can), gain some value for him (instead of a flat out cut) and ready yourself to spend some cheese on your FA's next year. Keeping Ryans would have been detrimental to re-signing players next year, IMO.

Maybe we get a great player, maybe a good or maybe a bust with that pick. At least you have that chance now. If it's another OD or Quin, it's a blessing. Or we could package that 4th with another pick if we needed to move up should they be targeting a certain player. Who knows.

But this helps the team so much for 2013 and beyond (relative to cap-talk).

Vinny
03-21-2012, 09:40 AM
This is probably gonna get buried in the Ryans thread, so here's his estimated cap hit for 2012. Will be off the books for 2013.

Adam Caplan was just on 790 discussing the trade and one thing he mentioned was Demeco's restructure from last year. He said that he emailed a guy to get a copy of his contract and that Ryans converted 5 million of his salary to signing bonus in 2011 just after the lockout to help the team with capspace. So that would leave 4 million in restructure money on his contract that hits the Texans' cap this year, plus the remainder of his original signing bonus which is 4.5 million according to sporttrac. That's at least an 8.5 million dollar cap hit this year for trading him.also brought up was the fact that Foster didn't have to have such a high cap number this season...it could have been around 5 mil instead of 8 mil, and the Winston situation is just perplexing if you read what Winston said about his physical...The Texans cap management feels disjointed a bit and it doesn't seem like they have a clear path. Almost like they were caught off guard. I don't know they feel they can walk into the draft needing to replace 5 starters if you include the cb Allen who pretty much split the starting role with Jackson last season and still have little to no wiggle room under this years cap. This doesn't feel like we are walking into next season expecting to go to the SB. Having Rick Smith manage the cap is like having Arthur Anderson and Enron manage it.

Which begs the question, is the draft pick worth it? Just cutting Ryans allowed the Texans to spread the hit over two seasons. There's what, a 25% chance at getting a good player in the 4th round? Sometimes, too much is made from chasing draft picks. I don't see Sharpton as capable and he is smaller than DeMeco at 230 lbs. They will have to bring someone in. Right now we have three starters at linebacker and a bunch of question marks behind them....In a year we were supposedly SB favorites our linebacker group is all of a sudden questionable in a defensive base that features linebackers.

Vinny
03-21-2012, 09:41 AM
I think the move was made MORE for the cap savings in 2013, 2014 and 2015... where it will be huge. The draft pick made the "cap cut" that much more bearable. If he was going to be a cap casualty next year, why not take the hit this year (if you can), gain some value for him (instead of a flat out cut) and ready yourself to spend some cheese on your FA's next year. Keeping Ryans would have been detrimental to re-signing players next year, IMO.

Maybe we get a great player, maybe a good or maybe a bust with that pick. At least you have that chance now. If it's another OD or Quin, it's a blessing. Or we could package that 4th with another pick if we needed to move up should they be targeting a certain player. Who knows.

But this helps the team so much for 2013 and beyond (relative to cap-talk).this team needs to start playing to win in the current season. You know like the Broncos are doing.

HOU-TEX
03-21-2012, 10:00 AM
this team needs to start playing to win in the current season. You know like the Broncos are doing.

How? We're screwed cap wise. The Broncos still have like 18+ million left in cap after the Manning deal. They obviously work with the cap better than we do

Vinny
03-21-2012, 10:01 AM
How? We're screwed cap wise. The Broncos still have like 18+ million left in cap after the Manning deal. They obviously work with the cap better than we doForward thinking....by not blowing up the right side of your Oline and getting rid of Ryans for NEXT years cap for starters. Its like we were caught off guard with this salary cap thing. Where did Rick Smith go to cap school anyway? Enron or Arthur Anderson?

Tony ‏ @ConceptMayhem Close
Less skilled with a cap: Texans GM Rick Smith or that Dumb Donald kid from Fat Albert?

SW H-TOWN
03-21-2012, 10:44 AM
this team needs to start playing to win in the current season. You know like the Broncos are doing.

The difference is that the Broncos came into this offseason with 40m to play with. You can argue that the Texans FO mismanaged the salary cap but I don't think that the Texans have lost sight of winning this year. The front office is having to make cut throat decisions for two reasons. First; last year we were agressive in FA despite our cap situation and for good reason (to win last year, this year, and in future years). We accomplished this by restructuring deals. Second; we have a lot of UFA in 2013.

Dutchrudder
03-21-2012, 11:19 AM
Forward thinking....by not blowing up the right side of your Oline and getting rid of Ryans for NEXT years cap for starters. Its like we were caught off guard with this salary cap thing. Where did Rick Smith go to cap school anyway? Enron or Arthur Anderson?

lol...

It just makes me wonder how the hell a team like the Eagles could have 16m a year tied up in Vick, 12 in Aso, 10 in Jason Peters, 8 in Samuel, 11 in Djax, 7.7 franchising McCoy, a bunch in Jenkins, Cole and Babin the D-line. THEN they go out and trade for our MLB who's at 6m per year! Our QB is only making 8m per year! He's a bargain at the most expensive position in the league and we are somehow cash strapped even after losing Mario's 18m contract!!! It just boggles the mind...

Dutchrudder
03-21-2012, 11:29 AM
Right, but you also have to consider Ryans non-guaranteed portion of base salary in 2012 that no longer counts against the cap. So it would be non-accrued signing bonus + guaranteed salary - non-guaranteed salary. I think Caplan said the total cap hit was $4.5 million.


I don't understand what you mean by: non-accrued signing bonus + guaranteed salary - non-guaranteed salary

I believe that none of his salary was guaranteed, so the caphit in 2012 is only remaining guaranteed money, which is 8.5 million. The savings is simply the salary that would have been paid in 2012, which is 6 million. The 8.5 million was going to be paid out either way. The caphit this year is still 8.5 million either way, but getting the guaranteed money off the books is important.

SW H-TOWN
03-21-2012, 11:30 AM
lol...

It just makes me wonder how the hell a team like the Eagles could have 16m a year tied up in Vick, 12 in Aso, 10 in Jason Peters, 8 in Samuel, 11 in Djax, 7.7 franchising McCoy, a bunch in Jenkins, Cole and Babin the D-line. THEN they go out and trade for our MLB who's at 6m per year! Our QB is only making 8m per year! He's a bargain at the most expensive position in the league and we are somehow cash strapped even after losing Mario's 18m contract!!! It just boggles the mind...

I don't know how they do it either, everybody gets paid over there. They have about twice as many guys as us making serious scratch. One thing I saw on spotrac.com, in 2010 Matt Schuab got a misc. bonus of 10m dollars. What is that, a bonus based on incentives like Brown and McCain received?

Dutchrudder
03-21-2012, 11:33 AM
I don't know how they do it either, everybody gets paid over there. They have about twice as many guys as us making serious scratch. One thing I saw on spotrac.com, in 2010 Matt Schuab got a misc. bonus of 10m dollars. What is that, a bonus based on incentives like Brown and McCain received?

It was the same sort of roster bonus that David Carr got the offseason that Kubiak took over. Just an incentive to be the starting QB at that time, if not cut him and save 17 mill. It's not prorated or anything, and it happened to fall during our uncapped year, so yay for that. Not sure if that was planned or not, as the deal was signed in 07, but if so, good job Smithiak.

SW H-TOWN
03-21-2012, 12:13 PM
Dutch, after all the moves the Eagles made last year they have a cap rollover of 10.9m. I think my head is going to explode. They were either really below the cap or they got a damn genius working over there.

DocBar
03-21-2012, 09:29 PM
Group # 1
Connor Barwin - $ 917,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Duane Brown - $ 2,661,500 (cap figure will go up a ton)
Rashard Butler - $ 1,925,000 (cap figure will increase)
Antoine Caldwell - $ 816,062 (cap figure will increase
Glover Quin - $ 607,304 (cap figure will increase)
Brice McCain - $ 1,333,437 (cap figure will increase)
James Casey - $ 661,250 (cap figure will increase)
Tim Jamison - $ 615,000 (cap figure will increase)
Troy Nolan - $ 579,565 (cap number will increase)

Group # 2
Matt Schaub - $ 8,316,667
Shaun Cody - $ 2,000,000

Personally this does not look to good to me but I am no cap expert. It seems that Rick Smith will have to get creative. Insight, commentary, opinions…I don't think Casey, McCain, Jamison or Nolan will get all that much of a pay raise from the Texans unless they have stellar seasons. If they have stellar seasons, that pay increase will most likely come from another team.

I can see Schaub being gone after next season, whether it's because the Texans can't afford him(and think Yates is ready) or he gets a lot more money elsewhere.

The top 5 on your list are the ones who will see a big payday from the Texans, IMHO. They are also the main reason for the bloodletting this offseason. Smith is getting his Cap house in order, financially, to keep those 5, and quite possibly Schaub, next season.

CloakNNNdagger
03-31-2012, 08:42 PM
Team-by-team cap room, as of March 30Posted by Mike Florio on March 30, 2012, 7:33 PM EDT

[Editor's note: The salary-cap space for each team as of March 30 is listed below. The cap room is based on the top 51 cap numbers of the players currently under contract.]

Bengals: $20.5 million.

Jaguars: $20.2 million.

Seahawks: $18.9 million.

Browns: $18.5 million.

Titans: $18.4 million.

Buccaneers: $18.3 million.

Chiefs: $17.0 million.

Eagles: $16.2 million.

Vikings: $14.5 million.

Broncos: $13.8 million.

Colts: $10.6 million.

Patriots: $9.9 million.

Bills: $9.7 million.

Jets: $7.6 million.

Redskins: $7.6 million.

Dolphins: $6.4 million.

Steelers: $5.8 million.

Chargers: $5.6 million.

49ers: $5.3 million.

Lions: $4.5 million.

Rams: $4.3 million.

Texans: $3.5 million.
Bears: $3.5 million.

Packers: $3.4 million.

Giants: $3.4 million.

Raiders: $3.4 million

Cardinals: $2.1 million.

Cowboys: $2.1 million.

Falcons: $1.8 million.

Ravens: $1.7 million.

Saints: $1.4 million.

Panthers: $623,000.

badboy
03-31-2012, 09:10 PM
I think this is such a relevant thread to this season it's crazy. People may think "let's worry about 2012"... but if that's all we worry about there will be ZERO room to sign these even more important guys next year. You better believe Rick Smith and Chris Olsen are looking at this and that's affecting what kind of offers they put on the table right now.

When we extend new deals or restructure existing contracts, 99% of the time the cap hit is lowest in the year you do it. That means in 2013, Foster and Myers cap hits are going up. On top of that you've got all other exisisting deals that are going up and it's going to squeeze us even more.

Andre Johnson goes from $4.8M hit in 2012 to $10.3M in 2013.
Brian Cushing goes from $2.3M hit in 2012 to $5.6M in 2013.

Expiring deals of Matt Schaub, Duane Brown, Antonio Smith and Connor Barwin.

Joseph $10M
Demeco $7.8M
Antonio $8.5M

If we think this free agency period is boring, I can't wait to see the boards in 359 days. If we had re-signed Mario for even $10-12M per year... you could have said goodbye to a couple guys above. Shoot we still may have to. The TV revenue can't come soon enough.If these escalators are true & most should agree they are, how does the cap remain apprx $123m next 3-4 years as recently posted another thread? Something smells in the NFL.

GP
03-31-2012, 09:43 PM
Roughly 14 of the 16 teams who have the most cap space are not good teams.

Even with their cap space, they can't turn their team around with a mere $10 or $14 million to spend this year. Maybe the Broncos can, but the Patriots are the only team in the top 15 or 16 (in cap space) who are legit contenders in that group. The rest are teams like Seahawks, Browns, Chiefs, Bucs, Jaguars, the run of the mill teams that are not well-coached nor well-prepared teams when it comes time to challenge for the whole enchilada.

We're good to go. The lean years under Kubiak...the persistence and the will to survive it all, coupled with an overhaul on defense, has us sitting pretty as the draft approaches.

Yeah, I don't like being THAT close to the cap. But hey, we could be the Panthers or the Saints right now. Now THAT would suck eggs, right???

Wolf6151
03-31-2012, 09:52 PM
If these escalators are true & most should agree they are, how does the cap remain apprx $123m next 3-4 years as recently posted another thread? Something smells in the NFL.

I agree with you BB, something smells in the salary cap area. I'm thinking the owners are keeping it low on purpose to get back at the players for last years CBA, and to maximize profits.

welsh texan
04-02-2012, 08:17 AM
I agree with you BB, something smells in the salary cap area. I'm thinking the owners are keeping it low on purpose to get back at the players for last years CBA, and to maximize profits.

I completely agree, when the CBA was announced this was not what any of us expected the cap to look like moving forward, I wonder if the players knew they'd negotiated it to look like this?

If they did, we certainly never got a hint of it.

Its hard not to begin wondering exactly what they were doing for all those months during the negotiations, if all they got was an extra day off here and there. I'd also be very surprised if there aren't repercussions from all this.

I thought a lot of the huge contract numbers we've been seeing were a sign that the ball was in the players' court when it came to contracts, if the cap is going to be $180m within 5 years, as some had expected, it made sense that the top tier guys could expect to be given contacts that smash all records.

I wonder if Calvin Johnson, Mario Williams etc are going to end up hurting their teams when the pinch sets in.

Dutchrudder
04-02-2012, 09:35 AM
I agree with you BB, something smells in the salary cap area. I'm thinking the owners are keeping it low on purpose to get back at the players for last years CBA, and to maximize profits.

I think the bolded is the main objective here if the cap isn't going to change. In a league that has a hard salary cap, all teams are on a relatively equal playing field with regard to personnel acquisitions. So I don't think they really care what that number is in regard to players, but rather in regard to what their bottom line is. If the league kept the cap stagnant for 5 years, all teams still have the same amount of money and they can push top contracts downwards to save money.

badboy
04-02-2012, 09:39 AM
Trying to remember what the new percentage of profits the players' cut dropped to? I think it went from 55% to 48% and that will impact the players also.

ChampionTexan
04-02-2012, 03:26 PM
I agree with you BB, something smells in the salary cap area. I'm thinking the owners are keeping it low on purpose to get back at the players for last years CBA, and to maximize profits.

Here's another article that ties into this conversation. It provides a little bit of perpective on why the cap will stay essentially flat for a few years, and talks about the deal itself. McNair is actually the one interviewed for the SBJ article referenced:

Kaplan’s report also confirms that the union borrowed against future years in order to pump the cap in 2012 from as low as $113 million per team to $120.6 million per team, not much more than the $120.375 million per team in 2011. The same thing will happen in 2013, which means that gains to be realized in 2014 and beyond will have already been, to a certain extent, consumed by the players in order to drive up the numbers in 2012 and 2013.

Kaplan points out that, last March, the players walked away from a proposal that would have guaranteed $146 million per team in 2012, $150 million per team in 2013, and $161 million per team in 2014. NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith called that offer the “worst deal in the history of sports,” in part because of the gross reduction in the players’ take and in part because the formula included no portion of the league’s financial upside.

So, instead, the players eventually traded a proposal with a high floor and a low ceiling for a deal with a low floor and a high ceiling. And for now the numbers are congregating at the floor.

Obviously the deal in place has potential to pay the players as a whole considerably more than they're getting right now - it just may be that a big chunk of those in the league at the time it was negotiated may be out of the league when that increase hits.

LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/02/worst-deal-in-the-history-of-sports-suddenly-looks-pretty-good/)

Playoffs
04-02-2012, 03:42 PM
“It is staying pretty flat for several years,” [Bob] McNair [chairman of NFL's finance committee] told Daniel Kaplan of SportsBusiness Journal while departing last week’s league meetings. McNair added that, after 2014, the cap will “gradually” increase.

badboy
04-02-2012, 10:38 PM
Again I ask, where is all the extra tv money going?

welsh texan
04-04-2012, 04:01 PM
Again I ask, where is all the extra tv money going?

The answer seems to be that they've spent it ahead of time, as the previous couple of posts, they've borrowed against future years in order to keep them above $120m, so as the TV money rolls in, the first few years its only going to be paying off what they've already spent, hence the flat cap.

Seeing what the players turned down, compared to what they ended up with, looks ridiculous. I fancy doing a few negotiations with DeMaurice Smith on that evidence.

ObsiWan
04-05-2012, 08:51 AM
The answer seems to be that they've spent it ahead of time, as the previous couple of posts, they've borrowed against future years in order to keep them above $120m, so as the TV money rolls in, the first few years its only going to be paying off what they've already spent, hence the flat cap.

Seeing what the players turned down, compared to what they ended up with, looks ridiculous. I fancy doing a few negotiations with DeMaurice Smith on that evidence.

I'll bet you could talk him into buying the Tower of London.