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srrono
03-16-2012, 07:34 PM
Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter
Texans reached agreement with C Chris Myers.

NitroGSXR
03-16-2012, 07:36 PM
What I wanna know is... how much?

Nawzer
03-16-2012, 07:38 PM
Good. He was going to be signed. We'll get a few more o-linesman through the draft and the FA and we'll be set. Plus we already have some guys on the team who should be able to step in.

gtexan02
03-16-2012, 07:38 PM
Great news!

tak3ov3r
03-16-2012, 07:38 PM
Chris Myers contract with Houston: 4 years for $25mil with $14mil fully guaranteed.

dc_txtech
03-16-2012, 07:39 PM
Rick Smith is an idiot.

:kitten:

iLoveTexans
03-16-2012, 07:39 PM
Yes thank you! and you beat me to this thread lol.

G27RR
03-16-2012, 07:40 PM
Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter
Texans reached agreement with C Chris Myers.

That's a relief, and they stopped at that $6M/yr ceiling I was hoping they would. (Well, close enough). Much less concerned about our line now, and glad they didn't go higher!

rmartin65
03-16-2012, 07:40 PM
Chris Myers contract with Houston: 4 years for $25mil with $14mil fully guaranteed.

Solid contract for the Texans if these are the numbers.

Pantherstang84
03-16-2012, 07:40 PM
Chris Myers contract with Houston: 4 years for $25mil with $14mil fully guaranteed.

Well it definitely wasn't Mangold money. Rosenhaus was smoking some serious dope wanting that. We got him back. Whew.:doot:

TheMatrix31
03-16-2012, 07:41 PM
Well, I guess the discussion is going here, lol.

Great news. Absolutely great. Draft an OL with #26, please.

False Start
03-16-2012, 07:41 PM
Great news, but it sucks we couldn't work something out with Brisiel.

Texecutioner
03-16-2012, 07:42 PM
Thank god!!! :mariopalm:

Pantherstang84
03-16-2012, 07:42 PM
Waiting on breaking news from McGobbler in 3...2...1...

dc_txtech
03-16-2012, 07:42 PM
Well, I guess the discussion is going here, lol.

Great news. Absolutely great. Draft an OL with #26, please.

Why? Caldwell and Butler are good to start day 1. All we need to do is keep developing depth.

False Start
03-16-2012, 07:43 PM
Waiting on breaking news from McGobbler in 3...2...1...

He has to get the syrup from the pancakes off his fingers first. :heh:

TEXANS84
03-16-2012, 07:43 PM
Confirmed.

Thank you lord!

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 07:44 PM
Thank god!!! :mariopalm:

Swear those were my exact words when I hit forums and saw this thread. :doot:

G27RR
03-16-2012, 07:44 PM
Great news, but it sucks we couldn't work something out with Brisiel.

Agreed. Glad we didn't give Brisiel $4M though.

Pantherstang84
03-16-2012, 07:44 PM
Why? Caldwell and Butler are good to start day 1. All we need to do is keep developing depth.

LT Brown
LG Smith
C Meyers
RG ????
RT Butler


I'm good with this.

G27RR
03-16-2012, 07:45 PM
Why? Caldwell and Butler are good to start day 1. All we need to do is keep developing depth.

I'm good with that since we kept Myers.

False Start
03-16-2012, 07:46 PM
Agreed. Glad we didn't give Brisiel $4M though.

No doubt, that's a lot of jack for him. It looks like we will be going OL with a few picks in the draft.

Pantherstang84
03-16-2012, 07:46 PM
Tweet from Wade Smith...

Wade Smith @Smitty74allday
19s
S/O to my bro @CMyers55 for getting that Re-UP!! #Texans #UGottaLuvIt

dc_txtech
03-16-2012, 07:48 PM
LT Drown
LG Smith
C Meyers
RG ????
RT Butler


I'm good with this.

???? = Caldwell, Smith, or a later round rookie if they can beat out the vets.

The sky is not falling.

houstonspartan
03-16-2012, 07:48 PM
I'm so relieved that I think I just got a woody.

False Start
03-16-2012, 07:48 PM
I'm so relieved that I think I just got a woody.

:backsout:

Naiirb
03-16-2012, 07:49 PM
Talk about a sigh of relief and on top it's a pretty reasonable contract for a guy coming off a pro bowl year. Whew

DonnyMost
03-16-2012, 07:50 PM
Excellent news.

Now if we get Brown's longterm deal done, we'll be sitting pretty for years.

G27RR
03-16-2012, 07:50 PM
Talk about a sigh of relief and on top it's a pretty reasonable contract for a guy coming off a pro bowl year. Whew

Yep, they did pretty good on that one.

rush2112mn
03-16-2012, 07:51 PM
Thank god.....
good news.....still wish we could have kept breisel too.....

Nawzer
03-16-2012, 07:52 PM
Chris Myers contract with Houston: 4 years for $25mil with $14mil fully guaranteed.

Sounds like a lot but I just looked up Ryan Kalil's deal and I believe he's the highest paid center in the league. The Panthers signed him to a 6 year $48 million deal with $28 million guaranteed. I don't think Myers plays out the end of this contract, but he's an important piece for the team right now. Texans need to start grooming his replacement from right now.

mussop
03-16-2012, 07:52 PM
First off, HELL YEA!!!! Now, what's up with Breisal? Did he sign somewhere else?

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 07:54 PM
Great news, but it sucks we couldn't work something out with Brisiel.

We probably could have signed him to a contract extension for a lot cheaper but we let him hit the market. Dumb ass Raiders paid him 4 million a year. We really needed to sign Myers. Continuity for zone blocking o-line = important.

Naiirb
03-16-2012, 07:54 PM
First off, HELL YEA!!!! Now, what's up with Breisal? Did he sign somewhere else?

Yea signed a 5 year 20 million dollar deal with the Raiders this afternoon

G27RR
03-16-2012, 07:54 PM
First off, HELL YEA!!!! Now, what's up with Breisal? Did he sign somewhere else?

Raiders

Nawzer
03-16-2012, 07:55 PM
First off, HELL YEA!!!! Now, what's up with Breisal? Did he sign somewhere else?

Yes, yes he did sign with someone else. He signed with a Oakland Raiders football club. Hope that helps.

DocBar
03-16-2012, 07:57 PM
I'm glad to see him re-signed. I can't wait to see how the revamped OL looks in camp.

Ryan
03-16-2012, 07:58 PM
lots of runs to the left side this year.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 07:58 PM
4 million a year for Brisiel...who do the Raiders think they are, the Washington Redskins?

Texecutioner
03-16-2012, 08:00 PM
4 million a year for Brisiel...who do the Raiders think they are, the Washington Redskins?

The same team that drafted Jamarcus Russell and just gave away all of those ridiculous draft picks for Carson Palmer. Lol!!!

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 08:04 PM
The same team that drafted Jamarcus Russell and just gave away all of those ridiculous draft picks for Carson Palmer. Lol!!!

Oh those crazy Raiders and Redskins, all bets are off with those guys.

JCTexan
03-16-2012, 08:09 PM
Great news!

Pantherstang84
03-16-2012, 08:09 PM
This Arian Foster tweet is hilarious.


*grabs milk* RT@ConnorBarwin98: Hey @ArianFoster how excited are you about your 'single stuffed Oreo' offensive line next year?

SmoochyTX
03-16-2012, 08:10 PM
Yay!

That's all I have to say right now. :kitten:

ItsMyFault
03-16-2012, 08:10 PM
Finally. Now we can go get Brisiel.

DerekLee1
03-16-2012, 08:10 PM
4 years, $25mm with $14mm guaranteed. That's a rich mofo.

Pantherstang84
03-16-2012, 08:10 PM
Finally. Now we can go get Brisiel.

He's a Raidah now.

SmoochyTX
03-16-2012, 08:11 PM
Finally. Now we can go get Brisiel.

Haha. Good luck with that.

DerekLee1
03-16-2012, 08:11 PM
Finally. Now we can go get Brisiel.

Brisiel's been gone since this morning. Signed 4 yrs 20mm with Oakland.

Goatcheese
03-16-2012, 08:12 PM
I'm glad we were able to get him back. He should have been signed before FA started. You can't lose 3/5 of your O-line and expect to just carry on like nothing happened and it was a gamble not getting this deal done sooner.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 08:13 PM
Finally. Now we can go get Brisiel.

You kidding? Sad to tell you but the dumb ass Raiders gave him a 4 million a year contract, 20 million total.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 08:16 PM
Finally. Now we can go get Brisiel.

You get a + Rep for making me laugh, kidding or not.

Seasick Sailor
03-16-2012, 08:18 PM
Whew! I was getting a bit worried about the OL.

We can work with what we've got on the roster.

beerlover
03-16-2012, 08:21 PM
Brisel fits the Raider tough guy with a spash of dirt for good measure. Good Luck to him & congratulations to Chris Myers for taking less to remain a Texan :logo:

ChampionTexan
03-16-2012, 08:21 PM
Well, of all of our free agents this year, we've reached agreements with, at minimum, two of the three most important for the next few years in Foster and Myers. Many would say the two most important, but that's a matter of opinion.

Welcome back Chris - nice to know you'll be here awhile.

It will be interesting (although I'm certain not earthshattering) to see what happens in free agency from here on out.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 08:26 PM
Brisel fits the Raider tough guy with a spash of dirt for good measure. Good Luck to him & congratulations to Chris Myers for taking less to remain a Texan :logo:

I'm happy he got paid. Happy for his family and yes he does fit their image but do you think he is worth 4 million a year? Personally I don't but I guess it is relative until you get into some Haynesworth type foolishness. Thank you Myers!!!

WolverineFan
03-16-2012, 08:30 PM
I'm glad we were able to get him back. He should have been signed before FA started. You can't lose 3/5 of your O-line and expect to just carry on like nothing happened and it was a gamble not getting this deal done sooner.

It was strategy.

He was asking for a ton of money and we said no and told him to lower his demands. He became a FA and took a visit or two and came straight back and signed the deal we wanted to give him.

Did the same thing with Mario and Brisiel and they both got bigger deals in FA than what we were offering them.

Dutchrudder
03-16-2012, 08:31 PM
For comparison:

Scott Wells' contract with the Rams: 4 years, $24 million, $13 million guaranteed. W/incentives it can max out to $25.5 million.

Not so bad depending on how Myers deal is structured. Glad he's back, but he will probably be Eric Winston'd after 2-3 years.

ItsMyFault
03-16-2012, 08:31 PM
He's a Raidah now.

Damnit, well we can get his replacement either through the draft or through FA.

Goatcheese
03-16-2012, 08:33 PM
it was a gamble.

fify

IBleedTexans
03-16-2012, 08:34 PM
Damnit, well we can get his replacement either through the draft or through FA.

No need to , we already have him waitn in the wings. Shelly Smith seņor !

bckey
03-16-2012, 08:34 PM
This is great news! This one signing pretty much saves the Texans offseason from being a disaster. Losing Myers along with Briesel and Winston would have been hard to overcome next season. Yeah they could be replaced but 3 new and 2 veterans would take time to mesh. The key was keeping Myers because he is the qb of the line. The rest is gravy. I don't care for Caldwell but I don't think the coaches think he is the answer either so he will probably be a stop gap until a rookie or free agent learns the ropes.

I think they will draft at least one ol in April in the first 3 rounds and sign some undrafted free agent olinemen for depth. Once again, great news! The Texans FO played some big boy poker with Myers and won this time.

I'm happy for Myers too. He got a good contract coming from being a late round pick to being one of the best centers for a zone blocking system.

WolverineFan
03-16-2012, 08:35 PM
fify

Judging by your last post, you have no idea what you're talking about.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 08:37 PM
No need to , we already have him waitn in the wings. Shelly Smith seņor !

That is what I am hoping for bro. I Hope he just flat out beats Caldwell for the starting spot in spring training.

IlliniJen
03-16-2012, 08:38 PM
I'm so relieved that I think I just got a woody.

Me too. And I'm a woman.

Playoffs
03-16-2012, 08:40 PM
What? Myers??

What are these people thinking??!!!??? :firehair:

Playoffs
03-16-2012, 08:41 PM
Me too. And I'm a woman.Repped. :spit:

:respect:

HoustonFrog
03-16-2012, 08:44 PM
Great move but losing Brissel, Winston on the oline and then Mario isn't the best thing. I'm all about teams gelling

BullNation4Life
03-16-2012, 08:47 PM
Great move but losing Brissel, Winston on the oline and then Mario isn't the best thing. I'm all about teams gelling

Didn't need Mario, so he can walk. Winston was giving up far too many sacks, probably a cap casualty. Briesel, maybe but you have Shelly Smith and Caldwell that can come in a replace, not to mention they haven't really talked to any FAs yet...


I think everything is going to be just fine.

thunderkyss
03-16-2012, 08:48 PM
That's a relief, and they stopped at that $6M/yr ceiling I was hoping they would. (Well, close enough). Much less concerned about our line now, and glad they didn't go higher!

I was close. I was thinking $5M/yr, but was flexible. I definitely didn't think he would get an $8M/yr Mangold contract.

Rick did good.

beerlover
03-16-2012, 08:48 PM
Great move but losing Brissel, Winston on the oline and then Mario isn't the best thing. I'm all about teams gelling

saving 4, 6 & about 20 is like 30 mil in cap savings! I would counter & say this was a good thing :mariopalm:

ItsMyFault
03-16-2012, 08:54 PM
No need to , we already have him waitn in the wings. Shelly Smith seņor !

Oh yeah that's right. I've heard his name and also obviously Caldwells to start since he did last season.

TEXANRED
03-16-2012, 08:56 PM
How can he resign? Isn't he a free agent? (Sorry, couldn't help it)

Thank you Baby Jesus.

rmartin65
03-16-2012, 09:01 PM
How can he resign? Isn't he a free agent? (Sorry, couldn't help it)


I know man, I know. I had to punch a baby to keep quiet, lest I be called a grammar nazi.

damnit, now I have shown my true colors, regardless of the punched baby.

HoustonFrog
03-16-2012, 09:02 PM
saving 4, 6 & about 20 is like 30 mil in cap savings! I would counter & say this was a good thing :mariopalm:

So losing 2 people on a O line that finally gelled after years of abuse us cool and just easy to plug in people in? I agree with Mario but the Oline was the bread and butter after years if abuse.

Lucky
03-16-2012, 09:09 PM
So losing 2 people on a O line that finally gelled after years of abuse us cool and just easy to plug in people in? I agree with Mario but the Oline was the bread and butter after years if abuse.
But there's a salary cap. When you're up against it, decisions have to be made. In Butler and Caldwell, the Texans felt they had something to fall back on. They'll need to step up. But, they're not replacing Pro Bowlers. And both been on the team for 3 (or more) seasons. I'm giving the Texans the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Thorn
03-16-2012, 09:10 PM
I've been so busy in TNZ and drinking beer, I didn't even see this. I'm glad to see it. I think.

Not having a clue as to the actual reality of the Texans salary cap, I hope this is a good thing, and we can still sign our draftees this year and our free agents next year.

Otherwise, this sucks. LOL

D1DAVE
03-16-2012, 09:17 PM
I hope they know what they are doing.:headhurts:

kingh99
03-16-2012, 09:23 PM
That's great news and ought to give everyone a sigh of relief.

beerlover
03-16-2012, 09:25 PM
So losing 2 people on a O line that finally gelled after years of abuse us cool and just easy to plug in people in? I agree with Mario but the Oline was the bread and butter after years if abuse.

relax, they can both be upgraded as players. far as people I like Eric & Mike much as the next Texan fan but remember its a buisness. Myers was key other than Brown best Rick kept him. Quicker we can move on the better :)

HoustonFrog
03-16-2012, 09:28 PM
But there's a salary cap. When you're up against it, decisions have to be made. In Butler and Caldwell, the Texans felt they had something to fall back on. They'll need to step up. But, they're not replacing Pro Bowlers. And both been on the team for 3 (or more) seasons. I'm giving the Texans the benefit of the doubt on this one.


relax, they can both be upgraded as players. far as people I like Eric & Mike much as the next Texan fan but remember its a buisness. Myers was key other than Brown best Rick kept him. Quicker we can move on the better :)

I'm not saying its deadly I just think 5 guys working together in a scheme like the ZBS is alot more of a cohesive effort than having a guy ready behind them. There is a reason why the guys were second stringers to start.

kiwitexansfan
03-16-2012, 09:36 PM
Solid contract for the Texans if these are the numbers.

That seems very reasonable.

Well done team.

redwhiteANDblue
03-16-2012, 09:36 PM
Last season when butler was a free agent some of you were saying he was probably able to start for some teams. It was a surprise for some of you when he actually resigned. Maybe the Texans planned ahead hoping he would take over for winston? I'm not worried about our RT as much as RG

fiasco west
03-16-2012, 09:49 PM
Last season when butler was a free agent some of you were saying he was probably able to start for some teams. It was a surprise for some of you when he actually resigned. Maybe the Texans planned ahead hoping he would take over for winston? I'm not worried about our RT as much as RG

With the Texans draft history I'll be very confident if they just sign a vet WR and say draft a interior linemen.

Can Konz play RG? I would be very happy with that pick and signing a vet WR maybe a guy like Braylon Edwards if we have the cap.

Carr Bombed
03-16-2012, 09:56 PM
So losing 2 people on a O line that finally gelled after years of abuse us cool and just easy to plug in people in? I agree with Mario but the Oline was the bread and butter after years if abuse.

Our line has been very good for years now... it didn't just gell last season. They were blocking well for Slaton (pre neck injury) and when they finally got a elite zone back who could time his blocks and hit the holes at the right time (as well as read the back door cutting lanes) things went to a whole other level... but the line has been solid for years now. (and this is even when we had castoffs like Ephraim Salaam and square pegs like Chester Pitts playing)

I think we need to stop looking at the "sum of the parts" and start looking at the guy who's coaching the big uglies up front. Chris Myers was a 6th round pick who's developed into one of the best centers in the game.. Brisiel was undrafted and developed into a player who demanded (overpaid or not) a 20 million dollar contract.. and Winston was a 3rd rounder who many people (outside of Houston) view as a top RT in this league. Coincedence... I think not. This isn't about players, it's about coaching.

John Benton's name is starting to spread around the league and if we can plug guys in and don't skip a beat, you'll see interest in him blow up. He is the guy who's irreplaceable as far as the Oline goes (not players like Brisiel and Winston) and he's the real asset to this team. I'd put him on par with Phillips as to what he brings as a assistant/coordinator. I hope he can become our Alex Gibbs (who he learned under) and can be a career expert position coach for us.

We had to get Myers back, because that's much harder to replace regardless of how good the Oline coach is... that's the QB of your line. However I have no doubt Benton is going to be able to replace Brisiel and Winston and I think the transition is going to go even better than people hope. Benton is one of the best line coaches in the league.. he just doesn't get all the pub yet.. he will this year though. :)

GP
03-16-2012, 11:03 PM
Finally. Now we can go get Brisiel.

Signed,

John McClain

Rey
03-16-2012, 11:11 PM
I'm not saying its deadly I just think 5 guys working together in a scheme like the ZBS is alot more of a cohesive effort than having a guy ready behind them. There is a reason why the guys were second stringers to start.


Guys have to step in and get acclimated to new teammates/situations all the time. It's the NFL. Plus they have played some as starters and have been with and practiced with each other for a few years.

I'm not worried at all about cohesion. That part will come. I'm worried about whether or not the new indivisuals are talented enough. That is the main concern IMO.

Carr Bombed
03-16-2012, 11:30 PM
Guys have to step in and get acclimated to new teammates/situations all the time. It's the NFL. Plus they have played some as starters and have been with and practiced with each other for a few years.

I'm not worried at all about cohesion. That part will come. I'm worried about whether or not the new individuals are talented enough. That is the main concern IMO.

When the Broncos were a top 5 rushing team for the better part of a decade do people really think they had the same Oline for the duration of that time or their players weren't raided as well? This is where scheme/system is greater than the "sum of the parts"... and we have that scheme/system

When you have great success, other teams will raid and poach your players... if you're still able to overcome that, they'll stop poaching the players and will go after your coaches (this is what we'll have to deal with next as far as our Oline coach goes)

The thing about the Broncos though... about the only constant on that line and the only player who they felt was indispensable was Tom Nalen.... the center. Go figure. Tom Nalen was also able to stay a highly productive player WELL into his mid 30's (the only reason why the Broncos were willing to give Myers away for practically nothing), which is what I think the Texans envision Myers being with this contract extension.

So since that was really the only mainstay under Gibbs and the Broncos, that pretty much tells me that the Center position has to be the most important position in the zone blocking scheme and when you have the perfect zone center you better hang on to him... and we did that today. Kudos. Guard and RT is not that hard to replace, people need to calm down and breath a sigh of relief.. we just dodged the big bullet here by re-signing Myers... The next bullet (or should I say cannon ball) will be Duane Brown. If you can lock up your pro bowl C and LT for years to come, your OL will be in great shape for years to come. Gs and a RT aren't that hard to replace.. especially if you have a C who can get everybody in the right blocking assignments, which Myers can do.

I've been posting on this board since day 1 and I remember the early days where we were overreaching for players like Robaire Smith and Todd Wade during the same time where every single player we released would either find their way out of the league or sign for league min and just for team depth. I remember when people would say "I can't wait for the day when we are able to release players who other teams snatch up as starters or move on from players who other teams covet"...

Well we're here Texan fans, this is what you asked for and this is what big boy teams do... we have to cut ties with very good players, simply because we can no longer afford them because we have other very good players to sign as well. This is what you've wished for early on and now we're here and that's a good thing. We've become that team that other teams poach, that just means we're on the right path, are making the right decisions in the draft/player personnel, and have developed depth.

TimeKiller
03-17-2012, 12:09 AM
I can't believe it took less than a week for Rick Smith to sign up the best RB on the planet and a pro bowl C, AMATUER!


St. Jeebus, if this doesn't hold the sky up around here it might just be time to duck out until next season...

Goldensilence
03-17-2012, 12:36 AM
Great news! Solid contract.

Brisiel with the Raiders...20 Million... LMFAO! Same old Raiders.

TexCanada
03-17-2012, 01:06 AM
This really is great news. I think I can relax a little about the state of our Oline now.

Rey
03-17-2012, 02:28 AM
This is good news...

I was convinced that either Briesel or Meyers would be brought back because well....We pretty much had to..

Meyers (and most centers) are the brains of the O-line...a lot of time the calls start with them and everyone else feeds off of what they see/say...

Blocking skills aside, having Chris back from a mental stability standpoint is huge.

Iceman16
03-17-2012, 02:28 AM
LT Brown
LG Smith
C Meyers
RG ????
RT Butler


I'm good with this.
Lol? Who do you think is starting across from Andre? We can't have All-Pros at every position, the team's biggest hole is still WR2.

TheMatrix31
03-17-2012, 02:51 AM
Caldwell is garbage. Not comfortable with him starting.

Must get someone in the draft.

GP
03-17-2012, 11:16 AM
What I expect to happen is a tradition is being built.

As long as you maintain most of your o-line, you can let teams poach off a guy or two every 2-3 years and you have been stockpiling the Shelley Smiths and other similar guys who might not see much action the first year, or even two.

After sitting out that first year, they mature and they had watched and they practice and learn and get to play the last 2 or 3 years of their rookie 4-year deal. Meanwhile, you have another rookie watching, learning, practicing and waiting behind Shelley Smith. You're churning them over, growing them in your own o-line garden. A team poaches Shelley Smith and we keep moving forward. Next man up.

That's how teams like the Steelers and the Pats and the perennial winners do it. "Gee, how the hell can the Pats and Steelers pick last in the first round and always hit on their picks??? How they hell do they DO that/" Because they rarely get stoopid with their players. Oh, Asante Samuel wants HOW much? LMAO! Yeah, ummm...OK, whatever. Thanks for the memories, pal, but we can't do that. Then they go out to their garden and pick a fresh CB off the vine they've been growing the past year or two. FARMING.

When you built a tradition, the incoming guys are (a) probably suited to the style you're running, and (b) they have a level of expectation plopped onto their shoulders from day 1 of making the team--They know they better perform or a guy next year will take their spot.

Before now, there was no standard of excellence except maybe Kubiak's expectations of his WR and TE and QB crew. The RB position was always in flux, but he was always trying to get it better. The o-line was gradually getting better, signaled by the entry of Gibbs...but then he left and inexplicably we got better. Defense tanked, enter Wade Phillips and we got better and established an identity immediately. Now we have an established running game with a great o-line and great RB, the TE situation is capable and deep, WR is decent enough, QB is now in flux, but the defense is solid across the board (when it has NEVER been like that before). A tradition of winning has been created and new recruits better fall in line--They HAVE TO, or else.

THIS is the time to be excited as a fan, because we have momentum and we're expecting players to come into our program and fall into line immediately. This is probably the moment a guy like Kubiak has been waiting for: The day when his expectations are realized, and he can push them more than he ever has. JJ Watt, and I keep saying it over and over, that JJ Watt fellow is a GEM. He's a franchise guy in the sense that Andre Johnson is. He's worth his weight in gold because he's clean cut, hard worker, genuinely natural in front of the microphone and he's a phenom on the field--A guy like that is someone I think the Texans will retain at all costs and lock up way before he hits free agency. There's something crazy stoopid unique about that guy, a HOF'er in my opinion.

Hot DAMN! I'm excited. When does football start?!?!?!?

GP
03-17-2012, 11:24 AM
Caldwell is garbage. Not comfortable with him starting.

Must get someone in the draft.

I agree with you.

It's odd to see so many people who pencil him in as a solution for the exit of Briesel. There's no freaking way. NONE. He's out of position at RG. Guard is not gelling for him. Period.

I don't know what he can do at Center, but it seems that's not a problem anymore. He's depth, at best, IMO. And when he has to come in, you better damn well have a plan to mask his inability to be a solid contributor on that line.

Can't remember what home game it was toward the end of the year, but he was at RG (IIRC) in place of Briesel who was out for 2-3 weeks...every run play to the right side of the line, he was beaten immediately by his opponent and rag-dolled ruthlessly...like, tossed aside and shoved down and he's flailing his arms in the air. I was like, "What. The. Hell....." It was bad.

HJam72
03-17-2012, 11:28 AM
Yeah, not a fan of Caldwell starting.

ObsiWan
03-17-2012, 11:34 AM
I think we need to stop looking at the "sum of the parts" and start looking at the guy who's coaching the big uglies up front. Chris Myers was a 6th round pick who's developed into one of the best centers in the game.. Brisiel was undrafted and developed into a player who demanded (overpaid or not) a 20 million dollar contract.. and Winston was a 3rd rounder who many people (outside of Houston) view as a top RT in this league. Coincedence... I think not. This isn't about players, it's about coaching.

John Benton's name is starting to spread around the league and if we can plug guys in and don't skip a beat, you'll see interest in him blow up. He is the guy who's irreplaceable as far as the Oline goes (not players like Brisiel and Winston) and he's the real asset to this team. I'd put him on par with Phillips as to what he brings as a assistant/coordinator. I hope he can become our Alex Gibbs (who he learned under) and can be a career expert position coach for us.

We had to get Myers back, because that's much harder to replace regardless of how good the Oline coach is... that's the QB of your line. However I have no doubt Benton is going to be able to replace Brisiel and Winston and I think the transition is going to go even better than people hope. Benton is one of the best line coaches in the league.. he just doesn't get all the pub yet.. he will this year though. :)

Rep your way!! Couldn't have said it better myself.

It was his coaching that made an UDFA like Brisiel suddenly worth $4 mil/year. It was his coaching that made a castoff like Myers blossom into one of the best centers around. I'm going to trust him to continue to make more silk purses out of sow's ears.

Let's all hope someone doesn't decide to dangle a coordinator's job in front of him.

ObsiWan
03-17-2012, 11:36 AM
I agree with you.

It's odd to see so many people who pencil him in as a solution for the exit of Briesel. There's no freaking way. NONE. He's out of position at RG. Guard is not gelling for him. Period.

I don't know what he can do at Center, but it seems that's not a problem anymore. He's depth, at best, IMO. And when he has to come in, you better damn well have a plan to mask his inability to be a solid contributor on that line.

Can't remember what home game it was toward the end of the year, but he was at RG (IIRC) in place of Briesel who was out for 2-3 weeks...every run play to the right side of the line, he was beaten immediately by his opponent and rag-dolled ruthlessly...like, tossed aside and shoved down and he's flailing his arms in the air. I was like, "What. The. Hell....." It was bad.

The good news is that now he has 2-3 years to learn the center position behind Myers...

...or get cut.

thunderkyss
03-17-2012, 11:42 AM
Lol? Who do you think is starting across from Andre? We can't have All-Pros at every position, the team's biggest hole is still WR2.

eh...... most teams don't have two all-pro WRs either. We've got plenty of receiving options, all three of which are dangerous. Andre, OD, & Arian.

We "need" a WR who can cover for Andre when he's not in the game, but for the money we're paying him, Andre needs to find a way to be in the game more often. Just being honest.

Caldwell is garbage. Not comfortable with him starting.

Must get someone in the draft.

The further we get from giving starting jobs to newly drafted players, the better we are as a football team. The theory is that the best player starts.

How good is Caldwell? I'm not a fan, so yes it is possible we could draft someone who could start over him. But remember Charles Spencer, a third rounder who started from day 1. Eric Winston picked behind Spencer & started after week 5 of his rookie season.

However at the time, our line was known as arguably one of the worst in the league. Big difference now.

We also have Shelly Smith & Thomas Austin on the roster. Hopefully they've been sitting in the background, learning how to be pros & are ready to step up & contribute.

Denver had a very good system of developing RBs, but it was because (imo) their even better system of developing OL. Remember, Myers was a 6th round pick by Denver... we traded a 6th round pick to get him to Houston. Biscuit was an UDFA, earned a starting spot.

SW H-TOWN
03-17-2012, 11:57 AM
Yeah, not a fan of Caldwell starting.
Me neither, I really hope Shelly Smith comes to play in spring training. I'm high on him. I like Caldwell in his backup G/C role. Maybe he develops from mediocre to good with time but right now he does not look like anymore than a backup.

CloakNNNdagger
03-17-2012, 12:08 PM
I've not been a fan of Caldwell. But last year, he played the season with a high ankle sprain........something that you never really get over in the course of a season. The offseason will have allowed him the required rest and rehab, and in itself should prove beneficial to his potential performance.

The other thing is that he was put at guard. At Alabama he was a dang good center. When he came to the Texans, he was touted as a center/guard. But the truth is that his natural position is center. He only played 14 of his 48 Alabama games at guard, and in some of those games he also played center.

SW H-TOWN
03-17-2012, 12:46 PM
I've not been a fan of Caldwell. But last year, he played the season with a high ankle sprain........something that you never really get over in the course of a season. The offseason will have allowed him the required rest and rehab, and in itself should prove beneficial to his potential performance.

The other thing is that he was put at guard. At Alabama he was a dang good center. When he came to the Texans, he was touted as a center/guard. But the truth is that his natural position is center. He only played 14 of his 48 Alabama games at guard, and in some of those games he also played center.

Same type of injury Myers had the season he got owned by Jenkins, good point.

GP
03-17-2012, 04:00 PM
I've not been a fan of Caldwell. But last year, he played the season with a high ankle sprain........something that you never really get over in the course of a season. The offseason will have allowed him the required rest and rehab, and in itself should prove beneficial to his potential performance.

The other thing is that he was put at guard. At Alabama he was a dang good center. When he came to the Texans, he was touted as a center/guard. But the truth is that his natural position is center. He only played 14 of his 48 Alabama games at guard, and in some of those games he also played center.

Duly noted on both accounts, well said CnD. I had forgotten the injury and that center is his natural position.

badboy
03-17-2012, 04:20 PM
Me too. And I'm a woman.Not to sidetrack this vital thread but both of you got it backwards.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-17-2012, 05:27 PM
Have to believe resigning Foster and Myers were the Texans top 2 priorities going into free agency. Well done.

GP
03-17-2012, 05:34 PM
Have to believe resigning Foster and Myers were the Texans top 2 priorities going into free agency. Well done.

Yes.

I think they knew Mario was gone, but out of a sense of "polite formality" they didn't do anything until after his contract w/ Buffalo was signed.

Then Mario makes his little Tweet jabs at the Texans. Eff that guy if that's how he wants to play the game. I really thought he'd leave clean & free, but he couldn't find a way to do it.

The character of a person is not in how they spent their time with the organization, it's how they walk away when their time there is finished. I've been horribly and unjustly "fired" and still held my head high and didn't raise a public stink over it. A lot of us have. So when Mario goes and gets $100 million, and was not even "fired" when you really analyze it all, but yet he cannot have self control over his Tweeting fingers, it just shows his character.

Dunta, too. Carr, too. Eff 'em if they want sympathy from THIS guy.

Showtime100
03-17-2012, 05:37 PM
I keep hearing about these tweets but tweeters don't say what they are. Oh well, I guess I'll live. :barman:

GP
03-17-2012, 05:48 PM
I keep hearing about these tweets but tweeters don't say what they are. Oh well, I guess I'll live. :barman:

In one, he had a series of maybe 5 or 6 tweets (since each tweet is limited to maybe a sentence or two at most). At the end of the series of tweets, there was some cryptic one that said something about how "I am thankful of the real fans, but to the bandwagon fans I say 'be careful what you ask for'..." which we don't know what he was saying but he labels fans and somehow acts as though there's a sector of fans that need him to educate them on how to view the signing. It was weird.

Another one, a fan was REALLY nice to him and gave him a tweet that told Mario "Congratulations, Mario. Wish we could have had you back but am glad you were rewarded. Wish you the best" or some such thing like that. So Mario tweets back to that fan (messages, in other word) and said "Could have had me back? They never OFFERED me anything to begin with."

Which is just absurd. Even if he wasn't offered anything, maybe ANY offer would have been AS insulting as having not offered. It's all useless. He feels we didn't prepare well enough to retain him at the same price the Bills wanted to spend on him.

Reports are that the Texans offered him $6m less per year than the Bills did, but I don't know if that's been verified yet.

Still, he had something like 3 tweets in a year prior to this. And now his fingers are talking every day now. He's making sure everyone knows how much Buffalo loves him and how perhaps the Texans did not. It's all so useless and comical. He could have kept it above the belt, but he HAD to make sure people knew he wasn't just taking GOBS of money to play in Buffalo....I mean, it's NOT about the money after all. No, there is underlying issues that made him choose the virtual wasteland of the AFC.

steelbtexan
03-17-2012, 06:24 PM
I've not been a fan of Caldwell. But last year, he played the season with a high ankle sprain........something that you never really get over in the course of a season. The offseason will have allowed him the required rest and rehab, and in itself should prove beneficial to his potential performance.

The other thing is that he was put at guard. At Alabama he was a dang good center. When he came to the Texans, he was touted as a center/guard. But the truth is that his natural position is center. He only played 14 of his 48 Alabama games at guard, and in some of those games he also played center.

While losing Briesel and Winston is a loss.

I've got faith in Butler and Caldwell. Can you give me a general prognosis on how Butler may be doing in his rehab?

Regardless, the Texans need to draft well to replace rhe depth on their OL.

G27RR
03-17-2012, 06:25 PM
It's all so useless and comical.

Finally looked at it myself and agree.

Does anything good happen on twitter? I don't follow it, but the times I do hear about it are usually famous people putting their foot in their mouth, and it seems to happen a lot.

thunderkyss
03-17-2012, 06:36 PM
Regardless, the Texans need to draft well to replace rhe depth on their OL.

I'm sorry, I do not understand this line of thinking. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding your meaning.

As one of the guys active in the draft talk.. I consider you a draftnik. & when you say "draft well" you seem to be talking about first day picks, round 1, 2, & 3.

Am I wrong?

Are you suggesting the Texans need to invest at minimum a third round pick to replace Myers (had we lost him; a 6th round pick), Brisiel (an UDFA), & Winston (a 3rd; & arguably the worst of the three).

We've got Shelly, Newton, & Austin. Do you think they are nothing more than depth? No possible starters?

G27RR
03-17-2012, 06:43 PM
I took his comments as saying we needed depth to replace the guys moving up into starting roles, and that he would do that through the draft.

CloakNNNdagger
03-17-2012, 06:53 PM
While losing Briesel and Winston is a loss.

I've got faith in Butler and Caldwell. Can you give me a general prognosis on how Butler may be doing in his rehab?

Regardless, the Texans need to draft well to replace rhe depth on their OL.

The type of injury that Butler sustained, following its surgical repair, should allow him an excellent chance of returning to peak performance by OTA's.

Showtime100
03-17-2012, 09:25 PM
In one, he had a series of maybe 5 or 6 tweets (since each tweet is limited to maybe a sentence or two at most). At the end of the series of tweets, there was some cryptic one that said something about how "I am thankful of the real fans, but to the bandwagon fans I say 'be careful what you ask for'..." which we don't know what he was saying but he labels fans and somehow acts as though there's a sector of fans that need him to educate them on how to view the signing. It was weird.

Another one, a fan was REALLY nice to him and gave him a tweet that told Mario "Congratulations, Mario. Wish we could have had you back but am glad you were rewarded. Wish you the best" or some such thing like that. So Mario tweets back to that fan (messages, in other word) and said "Could have had me back? They never OFFERED me anything to begin with."

Which is just absurd. Even if he wasn't offered anything, maybe ANY offer would have been AS insulting as having not offered. It's all useless. He feels we didn't prepare well enough to retain him at the same price the Bills wanted to spend on him.

Reports are that the Texans offered him $6m less per year than the Bills did, but I don't know if that's been verified yet.

Still, he had something like 3 tweets in a year prior to this. And now his fingers are talking every day now. He's making sure everyone knows how much Buffalo loves him and how perhaps the Texans did not. It's all so useless and comical. He could have kept it above the belt, but he HAD to make sure people knew he wasn't just taking GOBS of money to play in Buffalo....I mean, it's NOT about the money after all. No, there is underlying issues that made him choose the virtual wasteland of the AFC.

Ahh, ok, I apologize then because I guess I had heard some of that reading up here and there on the board. Thanks for the information, it's much appreciated. :)

Allstar
03-18-2012, 01:20 AM
Ahh, ok, I apologize then because I guess I had heard some of that reading up here and there on the board. Thanks for the information, it's much appreciated. :)

Mario is saying that his friend was doing all the tweeting from his phone last night.

bckey
03-18-2012, 05:40 AM
The type of injury that Butler sustained, following its surgical repair, should allow him an excellent chance of returning to peak performance by OTA's.

Thats why I love you Cloak. This board is the absolute best source of information because of fantastic members like yourself.

Pantherstang84
03-18-2012, 07:35 AM
Mario is saying that his friend was doing all the tweeting from his phone last night.

Meh. Why do we care? Let him light his Partagas's with $100 bills and go on down the road. He is in Buffalo now and irrelevant to the Texans.

Carr Bombed
03-18-2012, 11:04 AM
Meh. Why do we care? Let him light his Partagas's with $100 bills and go on down the road. He is in Buffalo now and irrelevant to the Texans.

What tweets are we talking about here?

GP
03-18-2012, 11:21 AM
Mario is saying that his friend was doing all the tweeting from his phone last night.

Then Mario is a complete flake. FLAKE.

Yeah, here's my phone...tweet away. What a bull**** answer by Mario if there ever was one.

I suppose just like a guy will say, "That weed? Oh, that's not mine. It's my friend's weed. Ask him about it, officer." I suppose he'll play the "My friend was making those tweets" card.

Lame, Mario. Weak sauce, but hey...that's par for the course with you.

GP
03-18-2012, 11:22 AM
What tweets are we talking about here?

Read the thread, particularly the most recent couple of pages. I detailed it, sort of paraphrasing what he said. It wasn't overly bad, just mildly irritating and somewhat snarky the things he was saying.