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Texecutioner
03-16-2012, 05:33 PM
47-49 is the record since Rick Smith has been the GM here.

Last season we finally had the only break out season they've ever had under Rick Smith and it took year 6 years just to do that. Now finally when the Texans are actually looked at as real contenders assuming they were going to try and get better in the off season, not only are they not trying to fill holes like so many other previous off seasons where Smithiak failed to go after talented players, but we're not even standing pat. We're freaking losing some really important players that we need.

Now before you Smithiak apologists try bringing up the one off season where they actually did use free agency wisely, just look at how much it helped last season with Joseph and Manning in the secondary.

Now how in the hell were the Texans going to go into this season in this kind of cap hell without realizing it last season to where they could have made some moves to avoid this kind of situation???

How in the hell did Rick Smith not see this coming before?? Why in the hell did we even keep MARIO WILLIAMS just to have him for one season, knowing we weren't going to be able to afford what he would demand?? Why would you not have traded him knowing that? If our cap situation was going to be this bad, there is no way in hell the Texans management couldn't have known that this would end up being unfeasible to re-sign Mario. So, instead he walks and we get nothing for him.

If you're not getting better in this league, you're getting worse. That's how it always is for the most part, and we're actually losing assets on this team right when we finally have a team that can be true contenders. This is amateurish GM stuff from Rick Smith as usual. He has obviously mismanaged this cap big time, and the Texans could very well likely end up wasting another season of Andre Johnson's career where he might not see the playoffs again. Our window is open right now, and we should be jumping in!!

Get Rick Smith out of here already, and find a real GM that can and will go out and get players to fill holes, and a guy that knows how to manage our cap situation. This is ridiculous.

Kimmy
03-16-2012, 05:40 PM
Almost everyone on the team with the exemption of Wade Phillips has a losing record. It's amazing.

Texecutioner
03-16-2012, 05:54 PM
Almost everyone on the team with the exemption of Wade Phillips has a losing record. It's amazing.

It amazes me at how people not only don't care, but will continue to defend this clown. What the hell has Rick Smith ever done?? He has been here going on 7 years now and hasn't had a single team go after him for his services, he has one true winning season to hang his hat on that didn't come until year 6, and he had never been a GM before he even got here.

Why is it that people want to keep this guy around?? What the hell is his strength?

srrono
03-16-2012, 05:56 PM
I am feeling pretty bad here we go from the best offseason of the Texans history to what is looking like the worst.
:toropalm:

Dutchrudder
03-16-2012, 05:56 PM
Why is it that people want to keep this guy around?? What the hell is his strength?

I hear his wife makes a mean apple pie and incredible lemon squares.

mattieuk
03-16-2012, 06:00 PM
Almost everyone on the team with the exemption of Wade Phillips has a losing record. It's amazing.

AF has to be in the Wade Phillips club. And Rackers?

Well, pretty much everyone we signed last year, or the year before who are still around.

We've got a few winning guys around now! :)

srrono
03-16-2012, 06:01 PM
Next season Texans should only wear thier Red Uniforms since thier salary cap is in the RED.

DerekLee1
03-16-2012, 06:13 PM
I say let it play out. We've never complained about our offense since Smithiak has been here. I think Dennison, Kubiak and Smith must know what they're doing here, and figure they can coach up replacements. WE may not think so, but THEY do. You have to replace age with youth to stay competitive. We're in the worst division in football. Our other division rivals didn't get better, so we should easily still be atop the division, even with the losses. When our younger line is just as dominant, you guys will all be talking about how genius the moves were.

Say Watt
03-16-2012, 06:18 PM
Wow. This team is falling apart right before our eyes.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 06:21 PM
It seems that if the Texans are good at one thing it is identifying o-line talent. That being said, I don't think Rick Smith entered the off season saying to himself, "Well, next season we will be without 3/5 of our current o line".

ThaShark316
03-16-2012, 06:27 PM
It seems that if the Texans are good at one thing it is identifying o-line talent. That being said, I don't think Rick Smith entered the off season saying to himself, "Well, next season we will be without 3/5 of our current o line".

Yup. I'm not going to give up on this crew because of the cap biting them in the ass. Just won't. **** happens in that business.

SCOTTexans
03-16-2012, 06:29 PM
It seems that if the Texans are good at one thing it is identifying o-line talent. That being said, I don't think Rick Smith entered the off season saying to himself, "Well, next season we will be without 3/5 of our current o line".

Well i hope he has thought about it....

ThaShark316
03-16-2012, 06:31 PM
This squad has done some good work at scouting for OL talent, so I'll cut them some slack. If we get a break and get Myers back, the Texans would still have 4 of 5...lets call them "constants" in the offensive line.

Runner
03-16-2012, 06:35 PM
Yup. I'm not going to give up on this crew because of the cap biting them in the ass. Just won't. **** happens in that business.

Isn't not letting the cap "bite them in the ass" Smith's responsibility?

redwhiteblue
03-16-2012, 06:36 PM
Why in the hell did we even keep MARIO WILLIAMS just to have him for one season, knowing we weren't going to be able to afford what he would demand?? Why would you not have traded him knowing that? If our cap situation was going to be this bad, there is no way in hell the Texans management couldn't have known that this would end up being unfeasible to re-sign Mario. So, instead he walks and we get nothing for him.

Because no team is going to trade anything substantial for a player on the final year of his contract when there is no guarantee he will re-sign with that team. Because trading players in the final year of their deal to a team they don't want to go to is bad business and doesn't help attract free agents to your team if you don't treat your players right that work hard for you.

ThaShark316
03-16-2012, 06:37 PM
Isn't not letting the cap "bite them in the ass" Smith's responsibility?

Never said it wasn't. Just said I wasn't about to give up on them BECAUSE it happened.

Lucky
03-16-2012, 06:37 PM
I say let it play out.
You're right. And we have no choice. Smith is going anywhere, anytime soon. If he deserved the boot (and he did), it was after the 2010 season. Yeah, it doesn't look good now. But Ozzie Newsome loses a big name player seemingly every year. It's how you replace those defections that's the measure of a GM. Let's see what Ricky is made of.

Texecutioner
03-16-2012, 06:40 PM
It seems that if the Texans are good at one thing it is identifying o-line talent. That being said, I don't think Rick Smith entered the off season saying to himself, "Well, next season we will be without 3/5 of our current o line".

Which is THE PROBLEM!!

That's his JOB!


That's what a GM is supposed to do is to manage the cap situation and have his financial experts crunch the numbers constantly. You're supposed to plan ahead, scheme for the future, and problem solve with your cap situation at all times. This guy has never been good at acquiring players around the league and selling this franchise to free agents, and now he has let this cap go straight to hell obviously.

ThaShark316
03-16-2012, 06:40 PM
You're right. And we have no choice. Smith is going anywhere, anytime soon. If he deserved the boot (and he did), it was after the 2010 season. Yeah, it doesn't look good now. But Ozzie Newsome loses a big name player seemingly every year. It's how you replace those defections that's the measure of a GM. Let's see what Ricky is made of.

Look at the Steelers. Gave Ike and Kemoeatu all that money, and now in cap hell. Same thing with them and BAL. Losing quality. PIT had to cut Smith and Farrior; two constants on the D...and ALMOST cut Hampton.

TEXANRED
03-16-2012, 06:40 PM
You're right. And we have no choice. Smith is going anywhere, anytime soon. If he deserved the boot (and he did), it was after the 2010 season. Yeah, it doesn't look good now. But Ozzie Newsome loses a big name player seemingly every year. It's how you replace those defections that's the measure of a GM. Let's see what Ricky is made of.

Did you just compare a superbowl winning GM to Rick Smith?

redwhiteblue
03-16-2012, 06:43 PM
and now he has let this cap go straight to hell obviously.

we have no idea what the cap is at right now. every report is conflicting. Just wait and see what happens.

Texecutioner
03-16-2012, 06:43 PM
Because no team is going to trade anything substantial for a player on the final year of his contract when there is no guarantee he will re-sign with that team. Because trading players in the final year of their deal to a team they don't want to go to is bad business and doesn't help attract free agents to your team if you don't treat your players right that work hard for you.

According to you ha??

You trade a guy somewhere where he wants to go. You do your best to make something happen by presenting ideas until you can find something that works.

Anything would have been better than doing nothing. Mario had question marks about him going into last season any way as to whether or not if he could play in Wade's system.

To say that it would have been impossible to trade Mario is completely wrong.

Difficult due to the contract situation?? Yes, I agree, but impossible and unfeasible?? Not at all.

redwhiteblue
03-16-2012, 06:45 PM
You trade a guy somewhere where he wants to go. You do your best to make something happen by presenting ideas until you can find something that works.

If you only trade him where he wants to go you have no leverage. This isn't basketball, this is football. There is a reason there are hardly any trades in the final year of players contracts or at the trade deadline.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 06:45 PM
Which is THE PROBLEM!!

That's his JOB!


That's what a GM is supposed to do is to manage the cap situation and have his financial experts crunch the numbers constantly. You're supposed to plan ahead, scheme for the future, and problem solve with your cap situation at all times. This guy has never been good at acquiring players around the league and selling this franchise to free agents, and now he has let this cap go straight to hell obviously.

Yep, if he lets all of our UFA hit the market again in 2013 I will loose all faith in Rick Smith.

Texecutioner
03-16-2012, 06:46 PM
we have no idea what the cap is at right now. every report is conflicting. Just wait and see what happens.

Rick Smith has been an amatuer GM since he got here. Things haven't changed, and if you think that the Texans may have this huge surprise brewing that is going to make this drastic impact that makes them look like these magical deal makers under the microscope, you're kidding yourself. Rick Smith has never done anything to warrant that kind of confidence.

There are way to many holes on this team now for us to just fix them easily. At first, it was just a #2 WR, CB, and a S. Hell, now we can't even focus on any of that, because we've potentially got a broken O line again.

Lucky
03-16-2012, 06:47 PM
Did you just compare a superbowl winning GM to Rick Smith?
Actually, Newsome didn't become Ravens GM until the 2002 season, two seasons removed from their Super Bowl victory. What I'm comparing is the opportunity to prove himself, as Newsome has done. The Ravens were in cap hell in 2002, yet bounced back nicely thanks to Ozzie's stewardship.

redwhiteblue
03-16-2012, 06:50 PM
Rick Smith has been an amatuer GM since he got here. Things haven't changed, and if you think that the Texans may have this huge surprise brewing that is going to make this drastic impact that makes them look like these magical deal makers under the microscope, you're kidding yourself.

I don't think there is a huge surprise brewing and I hope there isn't. The front office is making tough decisions about who to keep and not tie up the franchise locking up players now instead of looking ahead.

TEXANRED
03-16-2012, 06:51 PM
we have no idea what the cap is at right now. every report is conflicting. Just wait and see what happens.

Winston, Brisiel, soon to be Myers, Mario, Vickers.

Loosing 3 of 5 starting linemen are bad mmmmkay?
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Texecutioner
03-16-2012, 06:52 PM
If you only trade him where he wants to go you have no leverage. This isn't basketball, this is football. There is a reason there are hardly any trades in the final year of players contracts or at the trade deadline.

Your entire basis that we couldn't have traded him is because you say so. Sorry, but it's just lip service for Rick Smith here. Mario was a valuable commodity. The fact that he's the highest paid player in the entire league in NFL history proves that beyond a doubt. And yes, teams will trade to get "one year rentals" at times. And yes, the Texans could have traded Mario to a team that potentially could have extended him especially if they had some decent assets to deal with.

For the last two years, I've been constantly mentioning the Patriots over and over, because they've desperately needed an upgrade at DE since letting go of Seymour, and every off season they have an abundance of picks. That's just one suitor right there.

A trade where Houston got the smaller end of the deal would still be better than walking away with nothing.

You seem to forget that the cap is horrible right now, so there is no way in hell that our team's management shouldn't have realized that signing Mario was going to be "unfeasible" by this year's off season. DALE MURPHY TALKED ABOUT IT AND WARNED EVERY FAN ON THIS SITE FOR OVER A YEAR, and everyone that threw jabs at him for pointing out the obvious now have pie on their face.

redwhiteblue
03-16-2012, 06:54 PM
Winston, Brisiel, soon to be Myers, Mario, Vickers.

Loosing 3 of 5 starting linemen are bad mmmmkay?


I am not going to comment on Myers because nothing has happened yet, but would you rather lose Winston and Brisiel, or Duane Brown? I would rather have Brown.

fiasco west
03-16-2012, 06:56 PM
I am not going to comment on Myers because nothing has happened yet, but would you rather lose Winston and Brisiel, or Duane Brown? I would rather have Brown.

Same.

No one knows what the cap is and what the Texans plans are. We can't judge Smith's 2012 season right now based on not even a week of Free Agency.

If we could then I guess the Eagles had the best FA last year, everyone crowned them kings at the time and it didn't work out like that.

Lucky
03-16-2012, 06:57 PM
Your entire basis that we couldn't have traded him is because you say so.
How is that different from saying that Williams could have been traded? No, carrying a $17 million cap hit is pretty hard to deal with in a trade. And why would Mario want to give up a shot at free agency? Like it or not, there were real reasons that kept Williams from being dealt in the abbreviated 2011 offseason. Not the least of was that the Texans were trying to get to the playoffs for the 1st time in team history.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 06:58 PM
I am not going to comment on Myers because nothing has happened yet, but would you rather lose Winston and Brisiel, or Duane Brown? I would rather have Brown.

Barring horrendous play or serious injury Barwin and Brown better be locked up before free agency starts next year, NO EXCUSES.

redwhiteblue
03-16-2012, 06:58 PM
Your entire basis that we couldn't have traded him is because you say so.

For the last two years, I've been constantly mentioning the Patriots over and over, because they've desperately needed an upgrade at DE since letting go of Seymour, and every off season they have an abundance of picks. That's just one suitor right there.

Your entire basis for trading him and getting something valuable in return is because YOU so say so. Please offer some examples of players of Mario's caliber that were traded in the final year of their contract for substantial returns.

TEXANRED
03-16-2012, 06:59 PM
Actually, Newsome didn't become Ravens GM until the 2002 season, two seasons removed from their Super Bowl victory. What I'm comparing is the opportunity to prove himself, as Newsome has done. The Ravens were in cap hell in 2002, yet bounced back nicely thanks to Ozzie's stewardship.

I thought that he was there in when they won. Guess not. But even so Newsome did not put them in cap hell, Smith did.

Also IMO if you haven't proven yourself after six years of being on the job what you get is what you have.

redwhiteblue
03-16-2012, 07:00 PM
If we could then I guess the Eagles had the best FA last year, everyone crowned them kings at the time and it didn't work out like that.

Exactly. Let's see our new offensive line in action before we throw stones.

fiasco west
03-16-2012, 07:00 PM
Rick Smith has been an amatuer GM since he got here. Things haven't changed, and if you think that the Texans may have this huge surprise brewing that is going to make this drastic impact that makes them look like these magical deal makers under the microscope, you're kidding yourself. Rick Smith has never done anything to warrant that kind of confidence.

There are way to many holes on this team now for us to just fix them easily. At first, it was just a #2 WR, CB, and a S. Hell, now we can't even focus on any of that, because we've potentially got a broken O line again.

Did you miss last year?

Texans drafted JJ Watt and Brooks Reed, not only that signed JJo after giving up on the Nnamdi sweepstakes and then Manning.

Our needs are not set yet but Safety is not a need, it may be a want. Quinn and Manning did just fine last season. Oh and so did our #2 CBs, Texans had one of the best passing defense of all teams last season.

I think our needs will be interior linemen because of the loss of Briesel and still #2 WR and the FA has not played out yet and it will take some time compared to last year which was a accelerated FA period.

TEXANRED
03-16-2012, 07:02 PM
Your entire basis for trading him and getting something valuable in return is because YOU so say so. Please offer some examples of players of Mario's caliber that were traded in the final year of their contract for substantial returns.

Wasn't Herschel Walker and Jared Allen both traded in their final years?

TEXANRED
03-16-2012, 07:04 PM
Exactly. Let's see our new offensive line in action before we throw stones.

Exactly what I was hoping for. Going from having the best Oline in the league to "Hey guys they just need time to gel."

I know who you are, you are Matt Schaub's doctor and you are hoping to put in a new pool for next summer aren't you?

Texecutioner
03-16-2012, 07:05 PM
How is that different from saying that Williams could have been traded? No, carrying a $17 million cap hit is pretty hard to deal with in a trade. And why would Mario want to give up a shot at free agency? Like it or not, there were real reasons that kept Williams from being dealt in the abbreviated 2011 offseason. Not the least of was that the Texans were trying to get to the playoffs for the 1st time in team history.

Look, my entire reason for this thread is not about Mario. Mario is just one sticking point. The fact is that management should have known that Mario was a goner after last season though when you consider how bad our cap situation is right now, and how much money he just got. Keeping him last season was the same thing as another team trading for him for a one year rental. You're telling me that there wouldn't have been some teams that might have tried to offer something for Mario even for a one year rental?? Sorry, but I'm not buying that.

I don't see how you could excuse Rick Smith with what is going on right now. We were supposed to be trying to get those final pieces to really contend next season. We were finally so close. Hell, you've been very critical of Smithiak for years in here Lucky, so I don't see how one year of success can make your confidence grow so much in Rick Smith man. Remember, it was Wade that slid in here and finally "convinced" Smithiak to go out and get players in free agency to fill holes. Before that, these guys wouldn't do anything hardly. Before that, it was always that same old tired line of "we're building through the draft." They are letting this team go right back to having a ton of holes to fill man. Have you forgotten that we're 47-49 under Smithiak all together?? Seeing the way that this off season is unfolding and melting away for us man, it just reaks of that same "average" mentality that Smithiak has brought here.

Lucky
03-16-2012, 07:12 PM
I thought that he was there in when they won. Guess not. But even so Newsome did not put them in cap hell, Smith did.
Newsome was the Ravens pro personnel director in 2000.

Why do teams get into "cap hell"? Because they have a lot of talented players that deserve compensation. I'm not sure how that's an indictment on the GM. Though I think Smith gets too much credit for finding the talent. He's more of a facilitator.

Lucky
03-16-2012, 07:25 PM
I don't see how you could excuse Rick Smith with what is going on right now. We were supposed to be trying to get those final pieces to really contend next season. We were finally so close. Hell, you've been very critical of Smithiak for years in here Lucky, so I don't see how one year of success can make your confidence grow so much in Rick Smith man.
I'm not giving Smith excuses. I'm calling it like I see it. And I've criticized Smith because the Texans failed to put a winning product on the field. And if the Texans don't win, I will return to the criticism I deem appropriate.

What I'm not going to do is critique a work before it's completed. I don't know what Smith, Kubiak, and McNair have in store. I don't know how they will answer the challenges. I do believe that every year is a year that a organization should try to win a championship (which is why "building a team to win for the long term" is bogus). That should have been the mentality in 2011, which is why trading Mario would have been foolish. I think the Texans should do everything they can to win in 2012. What "everything" entails is subject to interpretation. They can't grow the salary cap. They can't force players to take hometown discounts. Bottom line is, as always, find a way to win. I don't care if it takes endangering future salary caps or starting a 5th round pick at QB. Just win.

Texecutioner
03-16-2012, 07:26 PM
Your entire basis for trading him and getting something valuable in return is because YOU so say so. Please offer some examples of players of Mario's caliber that were traded in the final year of their contract for substantial returns.

I don't have to offer you anything. You strategize to get out ahead and to improve your team. If you know that there is no way financially that you'll be able to keep a player in the next off season, then you at least "try" to trade him to get valuable pieces. Hell, the Texans had just come off of a 6-10 season with one of the worst HC's in the league coming back, so don't act like they were some SB bound type of team before last season to where there was just no way that they could have gotten rid of Mario.

But again, we are getting off track by just discussing Mario. The fact that the Texans were in this kind of cap hell just doesn't add up. We should have found a way to move pieces around earlier to avoid this to some degree.

redwhiteblue
03-16-2012, 07:27 PM
Did everyone forget Next Man Up? The reason why the Texans made the playoffs last year? It's not like we have all new players coming in. We have been paying Butler, Caldwell and Graham for 3 years, they know the team and the system and it is their time to step up. Why did we keep them on the team for 3 years if we weren't hoping they would one day move up to starter?

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 07:38 PM
Did everyone forget Next Man Up? The reason why the Texans made the playoffs last year? It's not like we have all new players coming in. We have been paying Butler, Caldwell and Graham for 3 years, they know the team and the system and it is their time to step up. Why did we keep them on the team for 3 years if we weren't hoping they would one day move up to starter?

I fell you with the next man up but continuity is very important with the o line, especially when you are running a zone blocking scheme. That is why people are freaking out. If we loose Myers that will not be good. The bad news is that the dumb ass Raiders just overpaid for Brisel...driving up the price for Myers. Not good for a team with our current cap situation.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 07:40 PM
This is why you do not let every single one of you UFA hit the free market. I'm going to flip if this happens again next year.

DerekLee1
03-16-2012, 07:41 PM
Wow. This team is falling apart right before our eyes.

LOL. Falling apart? Hardly. Duane Brown. Matt Schaub. Andre Johnson. Owen Daniels. Arian Foster. Ben Tate. Antonio Smith. JJ Watt. Brian Cushing. DeMeco Ryans. Jonathan Joseph. Danieal Manning. Connor Barwin. Brooks Reed.

You think you can't win with a core of those guys? Psshhht. Please. These guys are all superstars at their positions. They'll fill holes with drafting, good coaching, and free agents on the cheap.

I was worried yesterday. I'm feeling ok about it now. It just has to play out. You can't mortgage the future for right now. Especially when you're still able to win RIGHT NOW with what you have.

houstonspartan
03-16-2012, 07:43 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Tex on this one. I am stunned, and flabbergasted at how we have bungled the salary cap. The GM's job has ONE focus: manage the salary cap. That's IT. Period.

Seasoned GM's are able to look a few years out, and manage the best way they can. Rick decided to go ALL IN last year, which is fine, but, look at what it's gotten us.

So, we re-sign Arian (which I thought was a great idea), then we break up his O-Line?

WTF??????

houstonspartan
03-16-2012, 07:44 PM
LOL. Falling apart? Hardly. Duane Brown. Matt Schaub. Andre Johnson. Owen Daniels. Arian Foster. Ben Tate. Antonio Smith. JJ Watt. Brian Cushing. DeMeco Ryans. Jonathan Joseph. Danieal Manning. Connor Barwin. Brooks Reed.

You think you can't win with a core of those guys? Psshhht. Please. These guys are all superstars at their positions. They'll fill holes with drafting, good coaching, and free agents on the cheap.

I was worried yesterday. I'm feeling ok about it now. It just has to play out. You can't mortgage the future for right now. Especially when you're still able to win RIGHT NOW with what you have.

O-Line.
O-Line.
O-Line.

In case I'm not clear: 0-Line.

DerekLee1
03-16-2012, 08:14 PM
O-Line.
O-Line.
O-Line.

In case I'm not clear: 0-Line.

Myers is still a Texan. Your starting O-line is D-Brown, Wade Smith, Chris Myers, Antoine Caldwell and Rashad Butler. I'll take that and not break the bank any day.

DerekLee1
03-16-2012, 08:15 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Tex on this one. I am stunned, and flabbergasted at how we have bungled the salary cap. The GM's job has ONE focus: manage the salary cap. That's IT. Period.

Seasoned GM's are able to look a few years out, and manage the best way they can. Rick decided to go ALL IN last year, which is fine, but, look at what it's gotten us.

So, we re-sign Arian (which I thought was a great idea), then we break up his O-Line?

WTF??????

What it would have gotten us is a Super Bowl had our top two QB's not gone down with injuries. We were about two plays away from the AFC championship game.

BullNation4Life
03-16-2012, 08:28 PM
47-49 is the record since Rick Smith has been the GM here.

Last season we finally had the only break out season they've ever had under Rick Smith and it took year 6 years just to do that. Now finally when the Texans are actually looked at as real contenders assuming they were going to try and get better in the off season, not only are they not trying to fill holes like so many other previous off seasons where Smithiak failed to go after talented players, but we're not even standing pat. We're freaking losing some really important players that we need.

Now before you Smithiak apologists try bringing up the one off season where they actually did use free agency wisely, just look at how much it helped last season with Joseph and Manning in the secondary.

Now how in the hell were the Texans going to go into this season in this kind of cap hell without realizing it last season to where they could have made some moves to avoid this kind of situation???

How in the hell did Rick Smith not see this coming before?? Why in the hell did we even keep MARIO WILLIAMS just to have him for one season, knowing we weren't going to be able to afford what he would demand?? Why would you not have traded him knowing that? If our cap situation was going to be this bad, there is no way in hell the Texans management couldn't have known that this would end up being unfeasible to re-sign Mario. So, instead he walks and we get nothing for him.

If you're not getting better in this league, you're getting worse. That's how it always is for the most part, and we're actually losing assets on this team right when we finally have a team that can be true contenders. This is amateurish GM stuff from Rick Smith as usual. He has obviously mismanaged this cap big time, and the Texans could very well likely end up wasting another season of Andre Johnson's career where he might not see the playoffs again. Our window is open right now, and we should be jumping in!!

Get Rick Smith out of here already, and find a real GM that can and will go out and get players to fill holes, and a guy that knows how to manage our cap situation. This is ridiculous.

Ever occur to you that it might not have been Rick Smith putting the Texans into a cap hell, and more so that little thing that happened over the summer called a lock out? Or even that little thing that happened last year called, Un-Capped year? The new CBA changed everything....

What makes you think they didn't shop Mario Williams around? Can't trade a player on IR. Oh I know, why not shop him before the season? Again, lockout effected everything! Who is to say they didn't really want to keep Mario? Rick Smith had no clue as to what the defense was going to do this year. Had no clue that the defense wouldn't skip a beat after Mario Williams got hurt. Why would you trade your best defensive player? Why would you trade the franchise leader in sacks? You don't unless you absolutely, 100% sure you cannot sign him, and I guarantee you the Texans had every intention to resign Mario Williams, that is until they saw what the defense was like without him...

Your whole post is based on hindsight. At least the Mario Williams part is. Now has Rick Smith made some mistakes, hell yes he has. Has he hit some home runs, hell yes he has. Not every player you get in the draft or in FA is going to be a home run, but he has gotten some outstanding talent on this team thus that outstanding talent eventually needs to get paid.

Now you are concerned about 3 players, who are VERY, VERY replaceable? Seriously? Out of all the FA on the Texans this year, 1 was hurt for 11 games, one was a UDFA and the other gave up more sacks than anybody on the O-line combined. Not a damn concern except Meyers, ONLY becasue he is a zone scheme center, otherwise all would be replaceable...

Also about the cap, this is what happens when you backload contracts, they come back to bite you, BUT had they not, they couldn't go get players like Manning and Joseph. So which is it? Get mediocre players that make you cap friendly and stay mediocre or work out deals that allow you to get those players, and deal with the cap situation later? You think the Texans are the only team in the NFL that goes through this? Look at the Steelers, Pats, Ravens, and any other elite team. Players, good to Pro Bowl players, come and go and they have the same cap situations and those teams have some of the best GMs in the game.

Know what makes those GMs great though, they don't worry about "what if" or "what could have been," they reload and go straight ahead. FA isn't even a week old and everybody is freaking out. Let it work itself out already, damn...

Kinda stupid really....

But I guess this is what happens to fans who have never been in this situation....

arb729
03-16-2012, 08:33 PM
Just a quick question.. how would everyone feel if Mario played this entire last year, finished with 12-16 sacks, and led us to the Superbowl (win or lose). would everyone be criticizing Smith for not trading him then? He obviously didn't know he would miss most of the year being injured. Mario was an important piece of our defense going into last year. He got hurt. It happens in all sports.

I'm a huge Celtics fan, and it was very trying at times trusting Danny Ainge running the team. But, it all worked out in the end. Just let it all happen everyone.

That being said, if he has a chicken-poop draft, I'll be the first one at his door with the pitchfork.

BullNation4Life
03-16-2012, 08:38 PM
Myers is still a Texan. Your starting O-line is D-Brown, Wade Smith, Chris Myers, Antoine Caldwell and Rashad Butler. I'll take that and not break the bank any day.

I honestly hope Shelly Smith beats out Caldwell. He was absolutely horrible to the fact they wanted a 85% healthy Briesel in over a 100% Caldwell....

The Cush
03-16-2012, 09:24 PM
I honestly hope Shelly Smith beats out Caldwell. He was absolutely horrible to the fact they wanted a 85% healthy Briesel in over a 100% Caldwell....

Is Casey Studdard still under contract? He will be in the mix as well

Rick Smith really amateur houred his way to a nice contract with Myers

thunderkyss
03-16-2012, 09:48 PM
Wow. This team is falling apart right before our eyes.

I'll admit, I kinda freaked when we cut Winston, knowing Myers & Brisiel were out in the open. Then I rationalized I liked Butler better than Winston & have so for years. Now Myers signing for a "decent" contract & I'm ok.

Tex has got a point, we paid Mario over $30M for the last two years. Did not get a lot of production from here over that time. He just became the highest paid defensive player in NFL history. Off back to back injured seasons...... whatever you think of Mario, there is no denying he had value & we got nothing for him.

The outcry we've heard from Winston's release.... obviously had value. Brisiel has been signed to a healthy deal 3 days into FA..... value. & we've got nothing for it, any of it.

The Third Man
03-16-2012, 09:54 PM
The salary cap has turned a lot of posters around here into complete morons. I don't know how a lot of you losers can walk five steps with collapsing onto the ground as your knees start jerking. It's March, fools, March. Have your hissy fit later.

wolf123
03-16-2012, 10:00 PM
The salary cap has turned a lot of posters around here into complete morons. I don't know how a lot of you losers can walk five steps with collapsing onto the ground as your knees start jerking. It's March, fools, March. Have your hissy fit later.

+100 :goodpost:

Wolf
03-16-2012, 10:06 PM
this is why you have to draft well

Lucky
03-16-2012, 10:17 PM
Is Casey Studdard still under contract?
No, Kasey is a free agent.

DonnyMost
03-16-2012, 10:18 PM
kneejerk thread is kneejerk

Carr Bombed
03-16-2012, 10:21 PM
No, Kasey is a free agent.

Hell if we want him, we should be able to sign him back for a box of Shipley donuts and a case of beer.

I don't think that guy is going to garnish much interest around the league :) I don't think anybody even knows who he is outside of Houston.

I'd sign him back for depth and for another body for camp though.

ThaShark316
03-16-2012, 10:28 PM
Damn amateurs trading 6th rounders for stud Centers.

Runner
03-16-2012, 10:32 PM
The salary cap has turned a lot of posters around here into complete morons. I don't know how a lot of you losers can walk five steps with collapsing onto the ground as your knees start jerking. It's March, fools, March. Have your hissy fit later.

Hardly hissy fits and knee jerks. Just differing opinions.

Calling someone a moron just for disagreeing with you doesn't add much to the discussion. However, it gives us an idea of where you are coming from.

Thorn
03-16-2012, 10:35 PM
Damn amateurs trading 6th rounders for stud Centers.

Not only that, but picking some jerk who thinks he's a pass defender for a DE. What were they thinking?

michaelm
03-16-2012, 10:43 PM
Damn amateurs trading 6th rounders for stud Centers.

If I am interpreting the meaning of this post correctly, I agree 100%.
Its almost a contradiction to bash the FO for letting Myers hit free agency (because he's such a valuable player) while essentially ignoring the fact that it was the same FO that traded for him, trained him in the Texans system, and our him in the position to play at a pro bowl level.

TEXANRED
03-16-2012, 10:45 PM
The salary cap has turned a lot of posters around here into complete morons. I don't know how a lot of you losers can walk five steps with collapsing onto the ground as your knees start jerking. It's March, fools, March. Have your hissy fit later.

Name calling only shows your intelligence. Way to add to the discussion.

CloakNNNdagger
03-16-2012, 10:47 PM
Even in a plain ole household budget, any smart person will look ahead and incorporate next year's realistic "picture" which also incudes money set aside for the unexpected.

Here, it seems that Smith and Co. budgeted for the best case scenario.......and evidently gambled and even overestimated that by a long shot...........and got handed their asses when closer to the worst case scenario (much of which should have been realistically anticipated) raised its ugly head.

Guess they used the same QuickBooks program that Attorney General Geithner used when screwing up his taxes so badly.

ThaShark316
03-16-2012, 10:59 PM
Not only that, but picking some jerk who thinks he's a pass defender for a DE. What were they thinking?

Shot blockers are NOT DEs!!!!! Lololololol

GP
03-16-2012, 11:24 PM
Tigers love __________.

That is all.

steelbtexan
03-16-2012, 11:40 PM
Even in a plain ole household budget, any smart person will look ahead and incorporate next year's realistic "picture" which also incudes money set aside for the unexpected.

Here, it seems that Smith and Co. budgeted for the best case scenario.......and evidently gambled and even overestimated that by a long shot...........and got handed their asses when closer to the worst case scenario (much of which should have been realistically anticipated) raised its ugly head.

Guess they used the same QuickBooks program that Attorney General Geithner used when screwing up his taxes so badly.

Last yr Rick/Gary said forget looking out for the salary cap in the future. We've gotta win this yr or we will both be shown the door. (Hence the JoJo/Manning FA signings) The decisions they made last yr are coming home to roost.

Good news is if either Caldwell or a draft pick can replace Briesel. They need to sign a vet FA swing OT on the level of Salaam to add veteran depth. This should be able to be done fairly cheaply.

The thing that worries me is the Texans draft is very important this yr if the Texans want to take the next step toward becoming an elite franchise. Last time this happened was the 2009 offseason and Rick/Gary rested on their laurels. This resulted in the disastor that was the 2010 season. Hopefully Rick/Gary learned their lessons.

Corrosion
03-17-2012, 12:37 AM
Im gonna remind you all of this thread when you are eating crow .... how do ya like it served?! :truck:

TexanBacker93
03-17-2012, 12:51 AM
Is Casey Studdard still under contract? He will be in the mix as well

Rick Smith really amateur houred his way to a nice contract with Myers

Did everyone want us to give Myers $50 million like he was supposedly asking for? Wouldn't that be the amateur knee-jerk reaction. We can't lose him so let's give him more than market value. The team had an offer in place and let Myers try and get more. That's how the winning teams do it every year. We're not at that level yet, but I'm not overly concerned that we lost Mike Brisiel. Mario hurts more, but the Texans couldn't give him the money the Bills did.

BullNation4Life
03-17-2012, 12:52 AM
Tigers love __________.

That is all.

mauling zebras? or Halle Berry in her Cat woman suit?

redwhiteblue
03-17-2012, 01:00 AM
Here, it seems that Smith and Co. budgeted for the best case scenario.......and evidently gambled and even overestimated that by a long shot...........and got handed their asses when closer to the worst case scenario (much of which should have been realistically anticipated) raised its ugly head.
.

Worst case scenario? We signed Foster and Myers to long term deals, and good deals I might add. How is that the worst case scenario?

BullNation4Life
03-17-2012, 01:00 AM
Did everyone want us to give Myers $50 million like he was supposedly asking for? Wouldn't that be the amateur knee-jerk reaction. We can't lose him so let's give him more than market value. The team had an offer in place and let Myers try and get more. That's how the winning teams do it every year. We're not at that level yet, but I'm not overly concerned that we lost Mike Brisiel. Mario hurts more, but the Texans couldn't give him the money the Bills did.

and by hurts more, you mean not really at all because the defense showed that the FO that a player making 500k could produce just as much , if not more than a player making $100 mil, right?

Shelley Smith should be able to step in, being he ran the same scheme in college, and play guard if Caldwell cannot.

Norg
03-17-2012, 01:44 AM
maybe they thought last year Jonathan and Manning were the last pieces need to win a SB i didnt happen so this is what happens Cap casulites ... nuff said

Iceman16
03-17-2012, 02:23 AM
47-49 is the record since Rick Smith has been the GM here.

Last season we finally had the only break out season they've ever had under Rick Smith and it took year 6 years just to do that. Now finally when the Texans are actually looked at as real contenders assuming they were going to try and get better in the off season, not only are they not trying to fill holes like so many other previous off seasons where Smithiak failed to go after talented players, but we're not even standing pat. We're freaking losing some really important players that we need.

Now before you Smithiak apologists try bringing up the one off season where they actually did use free agency wisely, just look at how much it helped last season with Joseph and Manning in the secondary.

Now how in the hell were the Texans going to go into this season in this kind of cap hell without realizing it last season to where they could have made some moves to avoid this kind of situation???

How in the hell did Rick Smith not see this coming before?? Why in the hell did we even keep MARIO WILLIAMS just to have him for one season, knowing we weren't going to be able to afford what he would demand?? Why would you not have traded him knowing that? If our cap situation was going to be this bad, there is no way in hell the Texans management couldn't have known that this would end up being unfeasible to re-sign Mario. So, instead he walks and we get nothing for him.

If you're not getting better in this league, you're getting worse. That's how it always is for the most part, and we're actually losing assets on this team right when we finally have a team that can be true contenders. This is amateurish GM stuff from Rick Smith as usual. He has obviously mismanaged this cap big time, and the Texans could very well likely end up wasting another season of Andre Johnson's career where he might not see the playoffs again. Our window is open right now, and we should be jumping in!!

Get Rick Smith out of here already, and find a real GM that can and will go out and get players to fill holes, and a guy that knows how to manage our cap situation. This is ridiculous.
I don't think you understand how the NFL works. Coming into this **** franchise 4 years ago and almost being .500 is nothing short of amazing.

I also don't think you understand how the cap works. We're not the Yankees. We can't be the Yankees. Any fan that has any idea how the cap works knew this was coming. Luckily, we retained the two players we absolutely needed to retain in Myers and Foster. Cutting Winston (pretty bad) is the only misstep he's made so far this offseason.

Your criticisms are contradictory. You want him to improve the team, but you want him to go after big name free agents, but you want him to retain people? Lmao. That's completely unrealistic. Look at Green Bay. They came off the Super Bowl in 2010, and would've won again in the 2011 season if they didn't run into the hottest team in the league. You want to know how they built? The draft. That's what Houston has been trying to do for years, they were just bad at it. It looks like they're moving in the right direction by listening to Wade's input.

The team is on the right track, your post is nothing short of hilarious.

TheMatrix31
03-17-2012, 03:27 AM
It is unbelievable how fickle sports fans are.

otisbean
03-17-2012, 04:53 AM
Here's my question, did anyone know what the cap would be for this year? It seems like the cap was just announced in the last week or 2. If the Texans didn't sign JJo and Manning then they wouldn't have problems with the cap. Ask yourself this, if you're upset with the Texans for improperly managing the cap, would you have been more upset if they did nothing last off season to bolster the defense. I seem to remember a bunch of posters calling "Uncle Bob" a cheap skate and berating him for not spending money. You can't have it both ways, you can't complain he doesn't spend money then be upset with them when they do and have to make tough decisions regarding the cap.

To me the only glaring mistakes Smith has made:

Drafting Okoye at 10 - I wouldn't gamble with such a young guy with a top 10 pick

Maybe KJ - Im going to wait one more season before I label him a mistake. I think Gibbs was a horrible DB coach and KJ (and the others) suffered for it.

Telling Dunta he wouldn't franchise him then franchising him. He should tell players that he'll use every option at his disposal to improve the team.

alphajoker
03-17-2012, 08:53 AM
This thread is ridiculous!

http://www.moisturepimp.com/uploaded_images/balki-748922.jpg

The Cush
03-17-2012, 09:08 AM
It is unbelievable how fickle sports fans are.

Its a very much so a "what have you done for me lately" fan base. Arian gets signed, "Rick Smith is amazing"! The cuts are made, "Rick Smith is Al Davis and can never rebuild the O-line". Myers gets re-signed, "Rick Smith is no longer Al Davis". Texans have a strong draft, "lock Rick Smith up for 5 more years". Texans lose the season opener, "fire Rick Smith how does he even have a job in the professional world". Texans win 10 in a row, "see I told you we didn't need Winston and Brisiel".

Its very apparent during the season where guys are teetering each week between jumping off a bridge and trying to guess what path the Super Bowl parade will take downtown.

CloakNNNdagger
03-17-2012, 09:59 AM
Worst case scenario? We signed Foster and Myers to long term deals, and good deals I might add. How is that the worst case scenario?

We knew only one thing for sure going into this offseason, we would be able to afford re-signing one of our top players. The rest was a gamble. Chris Meyers could have gone either way. Major parts fell off the ship. Where will the replacements come from? And we are still left wondering if we have enough money to even get back to our 2011level. We are going to rely on the inconsistency of the FO to definitely fix some of last year's problems that screwed the pooch........AND elevate the level of personel to advance to deeper playoff depths. Somehow, we may get there, but IMHO it won't be because of the great forethought that was put into the planning. It will be because we gambled and just happened to luck out. Super Bowl, here we come!:)

ObsiWan
03-17-2012, 10:03 AM
The salary cap has turned a lot of posters around here into complete morons. I don't know how a lot of you losers can walk five steps with collapsing onto the ground as your knees start jerking. It's March, fools, March. Have your hissy fit later.

I'm with you. I don't get what's with all da hubub. We retained the key to our running game in Foster. Even locked him up for the long term. We retained the key to our O-line, Myers. Most likely locked him up for the rest of his useful playing days.

We retained the most important pieces of the offense. And, to let some tell it, Mario was no big loss. So I ask again, what's all da hubub, Bub?

drunkcookie
03-17-2012, 10:06 AM
I think Rick and the FO have their problems, but damn just think about the players they've locked up in the past couple of years:

A top 3 WR
A top 3 (and maybe the best) RB
A top 3 (and maybe the best) corner
A top 5 safety
A top 5 (by value to his team, JMO) center

This front office has done pretty dang good for the most part... You're not going to be able to keep all of your players when every other team in the league wants them, and if you can keep them you've got to pay a pretty penny...

Let's wait and see what this o-line can do... they may not be Winston or Bur-eye-sell, but they have been developing the replacements themselves (if these are to be the replacements)... let's see if all of this works before we say it's a big fail... I mean chit, we wanted Myers out of town two years ago, the only ones who didn't were Kubs and Smith... I remember people killing them on message boards and the radio... just two years later they were killing them for not resigning him fast enough... Then I remember last year people on message boards and the radio dogging the pick-up of Wade Smith... the dude may not be a pro-bowler and probably never will be, but dammit he has worked out pretty damn well there...

Chill. the. hell. out! let it fail before calling it a failure...we've been proven wrong by this coach and the FO quite a bit the past couple of years...

GP
03-17-2012, 11:45 AM
Texecutioner has high expectations. Always has, always will.

He's passionate about it. I don't 100% agree with him on this topic, but I understand where he's coming from. A great team can go back to being mediocre really fast.

I happen to think that we "got good" at a pivotal time--Mario's renewal contract. We should all be thankful that (a) we don't "need" Mario like we did when we stunk to high heaven in 43 defense that had Mario as the focal point of our attack, and (b) that the front office knew they didn't have the juice to sign him but they seemingly waited for him to sign before moving on without him.

Then that guy Mario Williams makes a series of tweets that I think was right up there with Dunta and Carr's comments in the past--That's where I say, "Eff you, Mario. Rick Smith still has a Texans necktie pin and reps the Battle Red and Steel Blue...you went to greener pastures so don't fugging lecture US on how the game is played, pal." I mean, seriously: The guy who should be scorned is Mario, not Rick Smith. IMO. Posters have laid out VERY reasonable explanations as to why we had our hands tied with Mario in his final year. And btw, if we had traded him in like 2010, two years out from today, people would have thought we were crazy for being so reactionary. "What? You go and trade the only real piece of talent you have? LOL!"

Brisiel got overpaid. We all agree on that. So you cannot control that. You cannot lock everybody up like we did Foster. You have to be selective. If you attempt to lock everyone up, everyone who comes in starts pissing and moaning about how "I should get a new contract TOO!" then there goes the team chemistry and players are just trying to get new deals all the time.

By renewing Foster, we showed that the bread and butter of this team is a talented RB who takes a talented o-line and makes them look even better than they are. Signing Myers was saying, "OK, we signed Foster and we're Ok with giving Myers more pay...it keeps the rest of the line humming right along." The two compliment one another. Releasing Winston is not a gamble, it was planning ahead and saving money...what a good GM should be doing. I have no doubt the next guy getting paid will be Duane Brown.

Things are good right now. Things seem surprisingly "fair" all of a sudden. IN the past, you wondered what the grand plan was. Today, it's pretty obvious.

Wolf
03-17-2012, 12:11 PM
Vinny posted a link that the Texans didn't even offer Mario anything FYI (and yeah the Texans knew they couldn't afford him)

Vinny
03-17-2012, 12:23 PM
Vinny posted a link that the Texans didn't even offer Mario anything FYI (and yeah the Texans knew they couldn't afford him)https://twitter.com/#!/texanstalk its the last thing I tweeted...not gonna tweet again till tonight...so Mario's words are what they are if anyone wants to peek.

infantrycak
03-17-2012, 12:27 PM
Vinny posted a link that the Texans didn't even offer Mario anything FYI (and yeah the Texans knew they couldn't afford him)

This obviously doesn't reflect on Vinny as he was simply reporting something but Mario saying it, excuse me tweeting it, doesn't make it true. I would rate the chances of the Texans never having made any offer to Mario of any amount as 0%.

drunkcookie
03-17-2012, 12:31 PM
Vinny posted a link that the Texans didn't even offer Mario anything FYI (and yeah the Texans knew they couldn't afford him)

Maybe not an official offer, but I could see them saying "Go out and see what you can get, I don't think we'll be able to go over 10mil per, but we can try and work things out because we'd love you to stay..."

I agree the Texans knew they couldn't afford him...actually drawing up an offer on paper would have been a waste of a good tree...

Mario knew he wasn't coming back at least as soon as Tuesday... As a matter of fact, he knew he was going to sign with Buffalo as soon as Tuesday... assuming the "bb" in his twitter handle bbwolf90 stands for Buffalo Bills... he registered that account Tuesday...

welsh texan
03-17-2012, 12:32 PM
This obviously doesn't reflect on Vinny as he was simply reporting something but Mario saying it, excuse me tweeting it, doesn't make it true. I would rate the chances of the Texans never having made any offer to Mario of any amount as 0%.

That Twitter account doesn't fill me with confidence tbh. It seems very out of character a lot of what he posts on it, and even though he's got a few players tweeting him I'm just not sure.

For a start, a lot of what he's posted to it makes him look a right dumb**** which isn't the impression I've got of him in the past.

drunkcookie
03-17-2012, 12:35 PM
That Twitter account doesn't fill me with confidence tbh. It seems very out of character a lot of what he posts on it, and even though he's got a few players tweeting him I'm just not sure.

For a start, a lot of what he's posted to it makes him look a right dumb**** which isn't the impression I've got of him in the past.

It's a verified account... that's him... but apparently his buddy got ahold of his phone and was talking all of that junk last night... good excuse...

just like he didn't have to lie that Buffalo was awesome and that's why he's there (it was the money), he doesn't have to lie that his buddy took his phone and started talking junk with it (he holds hard feelings)... both "REAL" reasons are completely understandable...to me at least...

infantrycak
03-17-2012, 12:40 PM
It's a verified account... that's him...

Totally off the subject of Mario, how do you verify a twitter account? How can you know the person is who they say they are?

michaelm
03-17-2012, 12:43 PM
Maybe not an official offer, but I could see them saying "Go out and see what you can get, I don't think we'll be able to go over 10mil per, but we can try and work things out because we'd love you to stay..."

I agree the Texans knew they couldn't afford him...actually drawing up an offer on paper would have been a waste of a good tree...

Mario knew he wasn't coming back at least as soon as Tuesday... As a matter of fact, he knew he was going to sign with Buffalo as soon as Tuesday... assuming the "bb" in his twitter handle bbwolf90 stands for Buffalo Bills... he registered that account Tuesday...

I think the "bb" stands for "big bad", as in bigbadwolf90. Wolf is a reference to his alma mater NC State Wolfpack.

drunkcookie
03-17-2012, 12:44 PM
I think the "bb" stands for "big bad", as in bigbadwolf90. Wolf is a reference to his alma mater NC State Wolfpack.

hmmm... could very well be... thanks...

drunkcookie
03-17-2012, 12:47 PM
Totally off the subject of Mario, how do you verify a twitter account? How can you know the person is who they say they are?

I dunno... probably go through agents and all of that... kind of like how Jim Rome gets his guests to call in on the interview line... the agent or guest is given the number and a password/phrase and the guest calls the numbers and says the word/phrase to verify... there's some type of back and forth through already verified sources (agent, employer/team/whatever)...

steelbtexan
03-17-2012, 12:59 PM
I'm with you. I don't get what's with all da hubub. We retained the key to our running game in Foster. Even locked him up for the long term. We retained the key to our O-line, Myers. Most likely locked him up for the rest of his useful playing days.

We retained the most important pieces of the offense. And, to let some tell it, Mario was no big loss. So I ask again, what's all da hubub, Bub?

No hubub BuB

I just think Rick is a below Avg GM. Who rests on the laurels of others. My hope is that he doesn't become complacent like he did after that triumphant 9-7 2009 season.

BTW, since he got Myers re-signed I'm happy with this offseason. Rick has done everything he could have within the salary cap restraints. But Rick/Gary/Wade better do their homework this offseason and have a great draft. (They need to fill holes/add depth) Or 2012 will be a real downer, just like 2010 was for the Great Texans Fanbase.

infantrycak
03-17-2012, 01:03 PM
I dunno... probably go through agents and all of that... kind of like how Jim Rome gets his guests to call in on the interview line... the agent or guest is given the number and a password/phrase and the guest calls the numbers and says the word/phrase to verify... there's some type of back and forth through already verified sources (agent, employer/team/whatever)...

Well I guess the first two words of your response sum up the point. A twitter account is well open to fakery or abuse by those close to you. Who knows? Like I said, I find the idea the Texans made no offer at all to Mario to be incredulous so my guess is either Mario is lying (which I also doubt) or I tend to believe the someone got hold of his phone.

Wolf
03-17-2012, 01:08 PM
This obviously doesn't reflect on Vinny as he was simply reporting something but Mario saying it, excuse me tweeting it, doesn't make it true. I would rate the chances of the Texans never having made any offer to Mario of any amount as 0%.

very true.. I went in an looked at Mario's .. later there was a tweet that said (Mario?) that it was his best friend tweeting and Mario was not on his phone (6 hour drive)
http://twitter.com/#!/bbwolf90

TheMatrix31
03-17-2012, 01:12 PM
If it's verified, it's verified. They don't just give out the checkmark for everyone. Otherwise I can get verified as THE "TheMatrix31". But who the **** am I?

They have their means to verify.

infantrycak
03-17-2012, 01:15 PM
If it's verified, it's verified. They don't just give out the checkmark for everyone. Otherwise I can get verified as THE "TheMatrix31". But who the **** am I?

They have their means to verify.

How? It's one thing to assert it and another to describe the process. Plus with smartphones and computers remembering so much stuff whose to say the same person is using them? My mom told me just the other day she can't even remember her Facebook password. Anyone who got on her computer could login as her.

TheMatrix31
03-17-2012, 01:17 PM
I don't know.

This is their help page.

https://support.twitter.com/groups/31-twitter-basics/topics/111-features/articles/119135-about-verified-accounts#

Contact them if you care that much, lol.

And this is a WikiHow page:

http://www.wikihow.com/Get-a-Verified-Account-on-Twitter

buddyboy
03-17-2012, 01:38 PM
1. Lost Mario - pretty much inevitable, 100 million dollar contract with 50 mil guaranteed? We've seen what our defense can do without him, he was a luxury that we simply could not afford.

2. Re-signed Foster - Absolutely solid. Top 5 RB in the league and what makes our offense go.

3. Cut Leinart/Winston - Ok, here I can see where people get upset. Our very own hot-tub boy did not deserve that. I jest, Winston was a good player. But he was making money that we needed to allocate in other places and apparently the FO believes he can be replaced. I too think that Butler can come in and do at least as good of a job in pass pro (probably better). There WILL be a drop-off in run blocking, Winston has always done a good job in that regard. All in all, sad to see him go, but I understand why and I agree.

4. Lost Briesel - I would have loved to see Mike come back. He was a solid player, but he is REPLACEABLE. That's the beauty of our depth and our system. This was by no means a MUST sign. With the contract he got, I'm glad we didn't throw that kind of cash at him.

5. Re-signed Meyers - Remember what I sad about our system? Meyers runs it perfectly. The head of the O-Line WAS a must-sign. And I get why people would be grouchy when there was uncertainty about losing 3/5 of the O-line. But retaining him is huge, and his contract is pretty reasonable.

I don't see why people are whining about Rick Smith. All these moves have made sense. Maybe he should have seen it coming. But honestly, good teams lose players. Good teams also replace those players and stay good. We'll see how good of a job we do with that in promoting from within and drafting.

Cut Jacoby and I'll give the FO a B+ for the offseason.

ChampionTexan
03-17-2012, 01:43 PM
Well I guess the first two words of your response sum up the point. A twitter account is well open to fakery or abuse by those close to you. Who knows? Like I said, I find the idea the Texans made no offer at all to Mario to be incredulous so my guess is either Mario is lying (which I also doubt) or I tend to believe the someone got hold of his phone.

Well on Connor Barwin's verified account (which has been around long enough that it should be valid), he said he personally talked to Mario, and Mario told him it was legitimate.

thunderkyss
03-17-2012, 02:15 PM
I'm pretty sure that's Mario's twitter. He's exchanging tweets with a bunch of folks that appear to be Texans & exTexans (TJ)... Solomon, Scurfield....

It's him.


Back to Rick Smith... yes, this off-season has been amateur hour at best. I believe there were reasons that prevented us from locking up Mario last year, but what about Myers & Brisiel? They were both part of the league's leading rushers OL & a top 5 offense. That's when they should have been offered deals & never seen FAgency.

Cutting Winston, did he just do a deal? Why was he going to make $4.5M next year? Who's idea was that? Then supposedly it was a surprise to Eric.... couldn't they have at least called him the night before? That's amateur & cold.

Then to sit on our thumbs & wait to manage the cap after they hear what the cap was going to be, did they have no idea? Shouldn't they have been trying to clear cap space anyway? They've had three months to figure out what they wanted to do, wouldn't it have been prudent to clear up as much space as they could, I mean FA was coming regardless.

TheMatrix31
03-17-2012, 02:15 PM
How could you even begin to put a grade on the offseason? For God's sake, free agency isnt even a week old yet! We still have a MONTH for the draft! Then there's a whole bunch of other **** to go on. I mean, goodness gracious. Are we that destroyed by this Twitter-age, 24 hour news cycle, internetification, ADD bull**** that we're just in an absolute rush to make definitive judgments?

It is too early. Ask me to grade the offseason once the preseason starts.

G27RR
03-17-2012, 02:38 PM
Then to sit on our thumbs & wait to manage the cap after they hear what the cap was going to be, did they have no idea? Shouldn't they have been trying to clear cap space anyway? They've had three months to figure out what they wanted to do, wouldn't it have been prudent to clear up as much space as they could, I mean FA was coming regardless.

I believe they were waiting for the new league year to start. before they made those cuts, but they probably could have handled the way they did it better.

(For cap purposes, waiting until the new league year changes what cap year it counts against. It could also possibly be due to some other technicalities I've seen in the cap rules that may have come into play - not sure the extra rules applied to these specific players' situations and don't want to research it right now, but there are some twists to the rules. I do know waiting had cap year implications - as does waiting until June 1st to cut some other guys if they want to).

drs23
03-17-2012, 02:39 PM
Ever occur to you that it might not have been Rick Smith putting the Texans into a cap hell, and more so that little thing that happened over the summer called a lock out? Or even that little thing that happened last year called, Un-Capped year? The new CBA changed everything....

What makes you think they didn't shop Mario Williams around? Can't trade a player on IR. Oh I know, why not shop him before the season? Again, lockout effected everything! Who is to say they didn't really want to keep Mario? Rick Smith had no clue as to what the defense was going to do this year. Had no clue that the defense wouldn't skip a beat after Mario Williams got hurt. Why would you trade your best defensive player? Why would you trade the franchise leader in sacks? You don't unless you absolutely, 100% sure you cannot sign him, and I guarantee you the Texans had every intention to resign Mario Williams, that is until they saw what the defense was like without him...

Your whole post is based on hindsight. At least the Mario Williams part is. Now has Rick Smith made some mistakes, hell yes he has. Has he hit some home runs, hell yes he has. Not every player you get in the draft or in FA is going to be a home run, but he has gotten some outstanding talent on this team thus that outstanding talent eventually needs to get paid.

Now you are concerned about 3 players, who are VERY, VERY replaceable? Seriously? Out of all the FA on the Texans this year, 1 was hurt for 11 games, one was a UDFA and the other gave up more sacks than anybody on the O-line combined. Not a damn concern except Meyers, ONLY becasue he is a zone scheme center, otherwise all would be replaceable...

Also about the cap, this is what happens when you backload contracts, they come back to bite you, BUT had they not, they couldn't go get players like Manning and Joseph. So which is it? Get mediocre players that make you cap friendly and stay mediocre or work out deals that allow you to get those players, and deal with the cap situation later? You think the Texans are the only team in the NFL that goes through this? Look at the Steelers, Pats, Ravens, and any other elite team. Players, good to Pro Bowl players, come and go and they have the same cap situations and those teams have some of the best GMs in the game.

Know what makes those GMs great though, they don't worry about "what if" or "what could have been," they reload and go straight ahead. FA isn't even a week old and everybody is freaking out. Let it work itself out already, damn...

Kinda stupid really....

But I guess this is what happens to fans who have never been in this situation....

:goodpost:

Thanks for saving me a lot of keystrokes. I think Tex will come around when they start sizing rings, maybe.

drunkcookie
03-17-2012, 02:50 PM
Then supposedly it was a surprise to Eric.... couldn't they have at least called him the night before? That's amateur & cold.

.

See, this quoted right here is the kinda thing that makes me think some people here just have a hard-on for hating on Rick Smith no matter what the man does...

REALLY? So basically it's amateur and cold that Smith called Eric and told him he was going to be released, but didn't call him before to warn him that he'd be called and told he was going to be released?

What in the hell do you expect him to do? Just never tell him at all? Not talk to him at all this offseason? Have all of the players and coaches just ignore him come time for OTAs and training camp? Have him walk up to the line first play of practice and say "Hey, wait, what are you doing here? I'm with the starters Butler... is this some type of joke?"

And lastly, do you just not pay attention? If you did you'd slap yourself for typing out the quote above because: The Texans didn't announce he was being released! Eric Winston the man himself tweeted he was being released -wait for it- THE NIGHT BEFORE... so yes, he was called the night before... unless you wanted him to be called the night before the night before and warned about the night before...

I'm all for blasting people when they do something you think is wrong, and TK you usually use pretty good reasoning, but do you really dislike Rick Smith so much you'd come at him so weak?

drs23
03-17-2012, 02:51 PM
mauling zebras? or Halle Berry in her Cat woman suit?

Fk the tigers, I'm all over that! :D

Lucky
03-17-2012, 03:00 PM
Tigers love __________.

What is pepper?

Cinnamon for $1000, GP.

GP
03-17-2012, 03:57 PM
Vinny posted a link that the Texans didn't even offer Mario anything FYI (and yeah the Texans knew they couldn't afford him)

That's Mario's twitter account. Vinny, in the thread over in NFL forum, said it's verified as being Mario.

Mario is suddenly frolicking through the fields of twitter now that he's with Buffalo. I guess $100 million doesn't make the man secure in his manhood, he has to go out and talk trash to puff himself up and make sure everybody knows it's not his fault he had to take that $100 million contract. Poor guy.

CloakNNNdagger
03-17-2012, 04:30 PM
That's Mario's twitter account. Vinny, in the thread over in NFL forum, said it's verified as being Mario.

Mario is suddenly frolicking through the fields of twitter now that he's with Buffalo. I guess $100 million doesn't make the man secure in his manhood, he has to go out and talk trash to puff himself up and make sure everybody knows it's not his fault he had to take that $100 million contract. Poor guy.


Don't know if this LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/03/did-mario-drop-a-bomb-on-h-town-during-his-bills-presser/) has been posted.

GP
03-17-2012, 04:35 PM
Don't know if this video has been posted.

link?

;)

Marcus
03-17-2012, 05:03 PM
Ever occur to you that it might not have been Rick Smith putting the Texans into a cap hell, and more so that little thing that happened over the summer called a lock out? Or even that little thing that happened last year called, Un-Capped year? The new CBA changed everything....

What makes you think they didn't shop Mario Williams around? Can't trade a player on IR. Oh I know, why not shop him before the season? Again, lockout effected everything! Who is to say they didn't really want to keep Mario? Rick Smith had no clue as to what the defense was going to do this year. Had no clue that the defense wouldn't skip a beat after Mario Williams got hurt. Why would you trade your best defensive player? Why would you trade the franchise leader in sacks? You don't unless you absolutely, 100% sure you cannot sign him, and I guarantee you the Texans had every intention to resign Mario Williams, that is until they saw what the defense was like without him...

Your whole post is based on hindsight. At least the Mario Williams part is. Now has Rick Smith made some mistakes, hell yes he has. Has he hit some home runs, hell yes he has. Not every player you get in the draft or in FA is going to be a home run, but he has gotten some outstanding talent on this team thus that outstanding talent eventually needs to get paid.

Now you are concerned about 3 players, who are VERY, VERY replaceable? Seriously? Out of all the FA on the Texans this year, 1 was hurt for 11 games, one was a UDFA and the other gave up more sacks than anybody on the O-line combined. Not a damn concern except Meyers, ONLY becasue he is a zone scheme center, otherwise all would be replaceable...

Also about the cap, this is what happens when you backload contracts, they come back to bite you, BUT had they not, they couldn't go get players like Manning and Joseph. So which is it? Get mediocre players that make you cap friendly and stay mediocre or work out deals that allow you to get those players, and deal with the cap situation later? You think the Texans are the only team in the NFL that goes through this? Look at the Steelers, Pats, Ravens, and any other elite team. Players, good to Pro Bowl players, come and go and they have the same cap situations and those teams have some of the best GMs in the game.

Know what makes those GMs great though, they don't worry about "what if" or "what could have been," they reload and go straight ahead. FA isn't even a week old and everybody is freaking out. Let it work itself out already, damn...

Kinda stupid really....

But I guess this is what happens to fans who have never been in this situation....

I also thought that was a good post, but that post by someone earlier that said that fans are strictly of the "what have you done for me lately" type? ..couldn't disagree with more. The NFL is supposed to be like that. But fans, in general, dislike the salary cap, because it removes any room for sentimentality and loyalty. Thats why I find a lot of this "pay the man for what he did in the past".

CloakNNNdagger
03-17-2012, 05:09 PM
link?

;)


Sorry about that..........:mariopalm:

LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/03/did-mario-drop-a-bomb-on-h-town-during-his-bills-presser/)

ChampionTexan
03-17-2012, 05:18 PM
Tigers love __________.



What is pepper?



And here I was gonna say Perkins waitresses.

GP
03-17-2012, 06:00 PM
Sorry about that..........:mariopalm:

LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/03/did-mario-drop-a-bomb-on-h-town-during-his-bills-presser/)

That gal really, really summed it nicely. Thank you for the link.

I, too, had noticed that little line about how "I have fought through adversity..." I heard it the day he spoke it, and it stuck out to me like a sore thumb.

He had the run of the organization while he was there. I mean, outside of being addressed privately by McNair about his street racing hobby...he was treated like freaking royalty.

DeMeco has said that Mario could rule the world...if he WANTED to. Which means what we all know about him--The guy is a flake.

Yeah, I know, he stood on the sidelines in 2011 and supported the team. He rehabbed at Reliant and was exceptional in his conduct along the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah....I get it. But I guess at 27-years-old, Mario Williams has somehow become a martyr.

You'd think he would have been relieved to have survived Draft Gate. He made it. He won! The other two guys are what he thought they were: A distant second and even more distant third from himself. But no, he's maybe ready for a little payback now that he's not with us. He's telling us what he REALLY thought of the Texans fans who questioned him being the #1 pick, he's free to speak his mid now. Because Bob is not his keeper anymore.

I guess maybe me being almost 36, I look back at even when I was 27 (like Mario is now) and I think...."Gee, I still did and said foolish stuff even at the ripe old age of 27." Makes me understand him a little bit, but still...I guess $100 million with $50 million guaranteed doesn't make him feel any better about his days with Houston.

So that's where I break with Mario Williams. He hasn't been through adversity. Matt Schaub has a bigger claim to that than he does. Matt had his season ended and maybe even a Super Bowl visit cancelled by a fat ass who isn't even on a roster anymore. And shouldn't have been on a roster last year, either. Matt Schaub knows about adversity. Mario? Umm, not so sure he does.

I was thinking I could watch him in 2012 and maybe root for him to a degree. Now I just fid myself thinking, "Well, he's made his bed with Texans fans. Let him sleep in it. Eff him, too, if that's what he wants. Whatevs."

/rant.

GP
03-17-2012, 06:04 PM
Come to think of it, he feels he has egg on his face since the Texans defense went absolutely gonzo without him in 2011.

Standing by, on the sidelines in street clothes, thinking "Where was all this before 2011? *******s."

It was a perfect storm for him to think he was now just another broken toy on Misfit Toy Island. He knew he could play the pity card, as if "They don't need old Mario anymore." This is why he says things like, "I just want to be the missing piece of a puzzle that gets Buffalo over the hump. Take them to the next level." In his mind, he wasn't "needed" in Houston anymore.

Geez, this guy. I mean, GEEZ. LMAO.

thunderkyss
03-17-2012, 06:25 PM
Come to think of it, he feels he has egg on his face since the Texans defense went absolutely gonzo without him in 2011.

I think your imagination is working overtime. You are seeing a lot, that just isn't there. Adversity.... what does that word mean? Has there been any of it here involving Mario.

VY kicking his ass twice at Reliant.... & the injuries themselves, getting snubbed for the pro-bowl (I think it was his sophomore season).

I don't think Mario is taking any shots at the city of Houston, The Houston Texans, or any of the fans that stuck by him.

& take a look at these threads, there are plenty enough for Mario to separate them from his "real fans"

steelbtexan
03-17-2012, 06:32 PM
How could you even begin to put a grade on the offseason? For God's sake, free agency isnt even a week old yet! We still have a MONTH for the draft! Then there's a whole bunch of other **** to go on. I mean, goodness gracious. Are we that destroyed by this Twitter-age, 24 hour news cycle, internetification, ADD bull**** that we're just in an absolute rush to make definitive judgments?

It is too early. Ask me to grade the offseason once the preseason starts.

Agreed

But I hope this isn't a repeat of the 2010 offseason.

BTW, Briesel wont be that big of a loss. IMHO

thunderkyss
03-17-2012, 07:15 PM
Agreed

But I hope this isn't a repeat of the 2010 offseason.

BTW, Briesel wont be that big of a loss. IMHO

2010 offseason?

Would that be after the 2009 season? Our best W/L record to date? Our best defensive performance to date?

What could have possibly gone wrong that offseason? We returned most of our starters. & improved our running game (the only thing that kept the 2009 Texans from reaching the play-offs).

:barman:

rickyb
03-18-2012, 09:14 AM
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Seriously?

The Texans' (publicly stated) policy has always been build through the draft, plug holes with FA. Maybe some have lost perspective of this during the excitement of the offseason. And I can see where it might be a bit of a letdown to not to play while everyone else is having so much fun. Maybe the collective expectations of the Disappointed Masses were misplaced by the splash we made last year during the compressed FA period, in signing JJo and then Manning. D Manning. (Good gosh, let's not start rumors! :-) ) And finally we know that the Texans were in a bit of a cap bind this OS.

People, it is going to be OK. This defense is awesome. Do not forget what your eyes observed last year. The draft is coming. And FA is not over.

None of our FA philosophy should be a surprise.

ThaShark316
03-18-2012, 09:37 AM
We're the new PIT/NE/GB...

Get used to it. Oh, you're not used to success. Forgot what city I'm trying to reason with...:kubepalm:

b0ng
03-18-2012, 09:44 AM
That's Mario's twitter account. Vinny, in the thread over in NFL forum, said it's verified as being Mario.

Mario is suddenly frolicking through the fields of twitter now that he's with Buffalo. I guess $100 million doesn't make the man secure in his manhood, he has to go out and talk trash to puff himself up and make sure everybody knows it's not his fault he had to take that $100 million contract. Poor guy.

He's trashing Jerome Solomon. Admittedly, there's not many Chron writers I care for, but I have no problem with him getting online and blasting that guy.

GP
03-18-2012, 11:28 AM
I think your imagination is working overtime. You are seeing a lot, that just isn't there. Adversity.... what does that word mean? Has there been any of it here involving Mario.

VY kicking his ass twice at Reliant.... & the injuries themselves, getting snubbed for the pro-bowl (I think it was his sophomore season).

I don't think Mario is taking any shots at the city of Houston, The Houston Texans, or any of the fans that stuck by him.

& take a look at these threads, there are plenty enough for Mario to separate them from his "real fans"

Complete nonsense.

What is adversity? It's losing to VY in a game that is now so utterly irrelevant that it feels like it was 10 years ago? Injuries that were not anything like blowing your whole foot to hell. Getting snubbed for a PB? Seriously? THAT is the huge adversity he's been through? LOL.

I think if anybody's imagination is working overtime, it might be the guy who said Slaton was running better in 2011 than he was in 2008 (his best season ever) and that Leinart would be competing for QB1 with Yates in training camp.

At the end of the day, the guy is just pissed that it wasn't him leading the way to success. Hims wittle fee-weens got hurt. That led to the whole "I'm glad to go help get somebody over the hump" comment. Yeah, Mario's the missing piece to the end of Buffalo's misery. But it's MY imagination working overtime....LOL.

CloakNNNdagger
03-18-2012, 12:51 PM
Complete nonsense.

What is adversity? It's losing to VY in a game that is now so utterly irrelevant that it feels like it was 10 years ago? Injuries that were not anything like blowing your whole foot to hell. Getting snubbed for a PB? Seriously? THAT is the huge adversity he's been through? LOL.

I think if anybody's imagination is working overtime, it might be the guy who said Slaton was running better in 2011 than he was in 2008 (his best season ever) and that Leinart would be competing for QB1 with Yates in training camp.

At the end of the day, the guy is just pissed that it wasn't him leading the way to success. Hims wittle fee-weens got hurt. That led to the whole "I'm glad to go help get somebody over the hump" comment. Yeah, Mario's the missing piece to the end of Buffalo's misery. But it's MY imagination working overtime....LOL.

Yes, he's delusional. That's what happens when your judgement is fueled by money. At least his misery in and with Buffalo will be blunted by his millions...........until HE realizes that he is not all that and a bag of chips without support all around him. If Mario does not perform right off the bat as expected like The $100 Million Man, he will quickly go from savior to goat..............I, for one, feel that he has been "over-billed" and over-paid and could very well be seen at the end of the 2012 season munching on the garbage from overturned trash cans.
:roast:

GP
03-18-2012, 01:03 PM
He's trashing Jerome Solomon. Admittedly, there's not many Chron writers I care for, but I have no problem with him getting online and blasting that guy.

Not in the earlier tweets. He was making cryptic references to people "getting what they ask for" and a rude reply tweet to a fan--Mario told the fan the Texans never offered him anything at all...instead of telling the fan a simple "Thank you."

playa465
03-18-2012, 01:03 PM
The Texans FO does what they think is best for the Texans, and we all know that us fans have no clue what goes on other than what the media spits out and the carefully chosen words from those in the organization. Besides free agency isn't truly graded until after you have a sample of how the team performs during the season. You guys are also reading too much into the "adversity" statement from MW. Did anyone of you think that he MAY have been talking about his life as whole to include upbringing, family,football etc...I know we're all fanatics about the Texans but lets remember that football players don't always let football dominate their lives. Mario is gone, so be it. :kitten:

ObsiWan
03-18-2012, 03:39 PM
I think your imagination is working overtime. You are seeing a lot, that just isn't there. Adversity.... what does that word mean? Has there been any of it here involving Mario.

VY kicking his ass twice at Reliant.... & the injuries themselves, getting snubbed for the pro-bowl (I think it was his sophomore season).

I don't think Mario is taking any shots at the city of Houston, The Houston Texans, or any of the fans that stuck by him.

& take a look at these threads, there are plenty enough for Mario to separate them from his "real fans"


I totally agree.
I think anyone seeing "shots at the city of Houston or the fanbase" is reeeeeally stretching it.

ThaShark316
03-18-2012, 04:02 PM
I totally agree.
I think anyone seeing "shots at the city of Houston or the fanbase" is reeeeeally stretching it.

Real talk. I read those tweets. He thanked everyone, just not the "wrong pick" folks, basically. http://static.bbmp3.com/smilies/fbj4fb.jpg.png

thunderkyss
03-18-2012, 05:18 PM
Yes, he's delusional. That's what happens when your judgement is fueled by money. At least his misery in and with Buffalo will be blunted by his millions...........until HE realizes that he is not all that and a bag of chips without support all around him. If Mario does not perform right off the bat as expected like The $100 Million Man, he will quickly go from savior to goat..............I, for one, feel that he has been "over-billed" and over-paid and could very well be seen at the end of the 2012 season munching on the garbage from overturned trash cans.
:roast:

Really?

who was pushing up the middle, collapsing the pocket on the inside while Mario was here? Who was covering receivers, preventing the QB from releasing the ball in less than 3.0 seconds?

Mario isn't saying he doesn't need help, he's saying he finally has it in Buffalo with Kyle Williams & Marcell Dareus......

Fueled by money?? You say that as if you'd have done different. There is absolutely nothing that should make anyone believe the Texans will repeat or better their 2011 season. 2-14, 6-10.... those are our records after we've "suceeded"

All we needed was a QB. All we needed was a RB. All we needed was a defense.

Wade's sophomore season.

& what we can discern from our FA moves so far.

It's not looking up for the Texans.

Hervoyel
03-18-2012, 09:15 PM
I don't really think that this has been all that bad an off-season. Every year teams that are good and well stocked lose good players. We lost some good players but if we're drafting right and digging up those UDFA's the way we're supposed to then we'll have people ready to step in.

Mario Williams, I really think we won't miss him. I'm not about to say he's not a good player but we had an outstanding defense last year without him. That doesn't mean it will happen that way again but it does mean that success without Mario is possible.

Mike Brisiel was an UDFA. I didn't know who in the hell he was when he got here and I've no doubt that we've got somebody waiting in the wings to step in. We found him, we'll find his replacement.

Eric Winston was overrated and if Butler doesn't match his performance at RT I'll be genuinely surprised. If he was the RT that he was supposed to be then he'd still be on the roster.

Jason Allen just means more Kareem Jackson and since neither one is clearly better than the other I think this is a wash.

We've brought in enough talent to be worth pillaging and that's a good sign. Now we get to find out if we're steadily finding players or if we just got lucky.

EllisUnit
03-18-2012, 09:58 PM
i actually think Rick Smith has done a great job. Am i worried about the o-line,,,just a little, but i think overall Rick Smith has made the smartest and best moves he could with what we have to work with.

I think Caldwell and Butler will do just fine, and i dont think we will see any drop off in run our pass protection. So we have same quality o-line for way less money !

I sill dont see how Jacoby is still on the team though, maybe they just dont see anyone who can replace him at this point !

GP
03-18-2012, 10:27 PM
I re-watched the Texans vs. Redskins game from 2010, week 2. The one where we came back to win on a 4th down and 10 from somewhere around the Redskins' 30-yard line...Schaub shuffles around in the pocket and launches a TD pass to AJ. Then we win in OT with a FG. From that Rackers guy that everyone says is "shaky" and "bothers them."

In that game, Winston missed multiple blocks in pass pro...he took the wrong guy a lot of times, picking up the RG's man instead of the most outside attacker who blasted right by him and nailed Schaub a lot. Schaub was sacked five or six times that day, and Winston's side is where most of those came from.

Oh, and btw...Arian Foster made so many crazy awesome plays that game, it shows why we held onto him. Too many to count or describe to you.

All I am saying is that watching Winston, in that 2010 week 2 game vs. Washington, now that he's not here, you can see where he gets the label of not being good in pass pro. It was pretty bad.

Kimmy
03-18-2012, 10:39 PM
I re-watched the Texans vs. Redskins game from 2010, week 2. The one where we came back to win on a 4th down and 10 from somewhere around the Redskins' 30-yard line...Schaub shuffles around in the pocket and launches a TD pass to AJ. Then we win in OT with a FG. From that Rackers guy that everyone says is "shaky" and "bothers them."

In that game, Winston missed multiple blocks in pass pro...he took the wrong guy a lot of times, picking up the RG's man instead of the most outside attacker who blasted right by him and nailed Schaub a lot. Schaub was sacked five or six times that day, and Winston's side is where most of those came from.

Oh, and btw...Arian Foster made so many crazy awesome plays that game, it shows why we held onto him. Too many to count or describe to you.

All I am saying is that watching Winston, in that 2010 week 2 game vs. Washington, now that he's not here, you can see where he gets the label of not being good in pass pro. It was pretty bad.

Finally, a keyboard of reason

thunderkyss
03-19-2012, 09:21 AM
Mario Williams, I really think we won't miss him. I'm not about to say he's not a good player but we had an outstanding defense last year without him. That doesn't mean it will happen that way again but it does mean that success without Mario is possible.


Absolutely agree with this. I didn't want Mario to re-sign because I thought we "needed" him. I do believe we now need to find another pass rusher, but that's a different argument all-together. I think Mario is elite. I like having elite players on our time.

If we're a top 2 defense next year, that won't prove to me that I was wrong. As I just said, I don't believe we need Mario to be a top 2 defense. I think our chances are better with him.

If we're one of the worst defenses in the league, you won't hear (see) me saying it is because we lost Mario, just like I didn't blame that 2010 fiasco on losing Dunta Robinson, or even his replacement.

However, I will throw an "I told you so" out there if Connor or Reed miss significant time. Whether it was Osi Umenyiora missing 7 games, Justin Tuck missing 4 games, or JPP not recording a sack in 4 games, it is nice to have as many effective pass rushers on your roster as possible.

i actually think Rick Smith has done a great job. Am i worried about the o-line,,,just a little, but i think overall Rick Smith has made the smartest and best moves he could with what we have to work with.


This is the best FA period I've seen in a long time. The 49ers just added Maningham & Moss to add to Ginn, Crabtree, & Davis (Vernon).

If we were sitting around like the Pats, waiting for all the foolish money to get out of the market, that would be fine. But to be sitting here, inactive, because we don't have the cash..... when we've been working diligently for the last three months....

:kubepalm:

ckhouston
03-19-2012, 09:26 AM
However, I will throw an "I told you so" out there if Connor or Reed miss significant time.

If they do it will be like last year ... next man up. Braman.

Rey
03-19-2012, 09:40 AM
Everytime I see this thread I think of Rick fighting his way up through the ranks...

beerlover
03-19-2012, 09:40 AM
I don't buy this whole Rick Smith is still an amateur thing, his work has been solid for the most part, last years draft with free agency was steller. About the best thing he could do right now is lock up Duane Brown & Brian Cushing to long term deals & avoid similar fate to what happend with Mario Williams :)

Ole Miss Texan
03-19-2012, 10:02 AM
I don't buy this whole Rick Smith is still an amateur thing, his work has been solid for the most part, last years draft with free agency was steller. About the best thing he could do right now is lock up Duane Brown & Brian Cushing to long term deals & avoid similar fate to what happend with Mario Williams :)

:bravo::clap::goodpost:

drunkcookie
03-19-2012, 10:02 AM
Absolutely agree with this. I didn't want Mario to re-sign because I thought we "needed" him. I do believe we now need to find another pass rusher, but that's a different argument all-together. I think Mario is elite. I like having elite players on our time.

If we're a top 2 defense next year, that won't prove to me that I was wrong. As I just said, I don't believe we need Mario to be a top 2 defense. I think our chances are better with him.

If we're one of the worst defenses in the league, you won't hear (see) me saying it is because we lost Mario, just like I didn't blame that 2010 fiasco on losing Dunta Robinson, or even his replacement.

However, I will throw an "I told you so" out there if Connor or Reed miss significant time. Whether it was Osi Umenyiora missing 7 games, Justin Tuck missing 4 games, or JPP not recording a sack in 4 games, it is nice to have as many effective pass rushers on your roster as possible.



This is the best FA period I've seen in a long time. The 49ers just added Maningham & Moss to add to Ginn, Crabtree, & Davis (Vernon).

If we were sitting around like the Pats, waiting for all the foolish money to get out of the market, that would be fine. But to be sitting here, inactive, because we don't have the cash..... when we've been working diligently for the last three months....

:kubepalm:

Has it ever occurred to you that the Texans may be confident in the guys they've developed?

I keep thinking back to the late '90s/early '00s when Kubiak was OC'ing those Broncos teams... Hell, after the first Super Bowl win one of their tackles retired i think (Gary Zimmerman, he's actually the reason i was a Broncos fan for a while... Same last name, same number, same position as me 'cept i was a back-up on my freshmen team)...they plugged another guy in tje next year and the system still worked... That system pretty much worked til Kub left...

I'm gunna give these guys the benefit of the doubt until it fails...and if it fails they've gotta go IMO...