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Oz Texan
03-16-2012, 08:56 AM
I dont know about all of you but im ok with Dreesen going elsewhere. Reason being we have his replacement on the team right now. James Casey.

That being said. Im not part of the organization or affiliated with the team at all but I personally think that the Texans using Casey as a full back is missusing his talents horribly. Full backs are a dime a dozen breed in the NFL these days but great hands and blocking TEs are not. When your best if not the best WR in the NFL says someone has the best hands on the team using that person as mainly a full back is absurd. James Casey is one of those outstandingly athletic TE that "can" play more than one position. I think thuogh they are shortengin his carrer using him at full back.

So do y ou think the Texans are misusing James Casey? or not and why.

welsh texan
03-16-2012, 09:15 AM
If your 3rd choice TE has a chance to get on the field more often by calling him a fullback and giving you a load of different looks to throw at the opposition then you do it.

I agree, we can be perfectly comfortable if we have to lose JD.

CloakNNNdagger
03-16-2012, 09:30 AM
I will probably be in the minority, but I feel that when Casey was plugged into the FB position instead of Vickers (especially the way Vickers was playing at the end of the season), with the exception of only isolated cases, we lost the expectations of consistent "blowups"......that's not even to compare with what we lost if Vonta was still there. Yes, Casey offered versatility and some ability to "disguise" plays. But he also offered defenses solace that they would not usually be blown up on run plays.

Oz Texan
03-16-2012, 09:39 AM
I will probably be in the minority, but I feel that when Casey was plugged into the FB position instead of Vickers (especially the way Vickers was playing at the end of the season), with the exception of only isolated cases, we lost the expectations of consistent "blowups"......that's not even to compare with what we lost if Vonta was still there. Yes, Casey offered versatility and some ability to "disguise" plays. But he also offered defenses solace that they would not usually be blown up on run plays.

I agree which is why he should be used as a TE and not a FB.

welsh texan
03-16-2012, 09:51 AM
I agree but when you have Vickers to put in situationally when you need the threat of that block, I think they managed to get an extra playmaker on the field at times when maybe Casey would have been stood on the sidelines a lot more last season.

There was clearly a step-change after Casey's injury and he wasn't as much of a threat as he had been early season.

But I will ask this, what is worth more to you, lining up a FB and telling the LB that if when he gets to the hole he may be met by some thug who's going to knock the piss out of him. Or lining up a FB and telling the LB that when he gets to the hole that FB might be breaking into a route uncovered?

Which one causes the LB to slow? Because I'd have thought if that LB is worth his place on the opposing D, he's going to be far more likely to be hesitant at the thought of giving up a big passing play than at the thought of taking a big hit.

I'm hoping that we see Smithiak pick up someone to play FB, with better blocking than Casey and better catching than Vickers. And move Casey back to TE as the #2.

But I don't disagree with his use last season, given the personnel he was up against to get into the game.

Texan_Bill
03-16-2012, 10:01 AM
I agree which is why he should be used as a TE and not a FB.

He's neither really. He's more like an "H-back"... Think Frank Wycheck.

michaelm
03-16-2012, 10:11 AM
He's neither really. He's more like an "H-back"... Think Frank Wycheck.

Traditionally, the Shanahan/Kubiak offense has not had a traditional run blocking fullback, IIRC.
When Kubiak took over as HC, he was looking for more of an H-back type of player. Anyone remember having high hopes for Jameel Cook. He was that type of FB if my memory is accurate.

WolverineFan
03-16-2012, 10:13 AM
Kubiak has always wanted an H-Back more than a FB and now he has that.

ObsiWan
03-16-2012, 12:14 PM
He's neither really. He's more like an "H-back"... Think Frank Wycheck.

THAT'S the term I was looking for. H-back.
Didn't Washington use the heck out of 'em during Gibbs' tenure up there... with some measure of success as I recall.

I think Casey could add that dimension to this offense.

...I wonder if he can throw....?
:thinking:

ObsiWan
03-16-2012, 12:15 PM
Traditionally, the Shanahan/Kubiak offense has not had a traditional run blocking fullback, IIRC.
When Kubiak took over as HC, he was looking for more of an H-back type of player. Anyone remember having high hopes for Jameel Cook. He was that type of FB if my memory is accurate.

I remember him. He wasn't half bad until he got fumblitis

Fili
03-16-2012, 12:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrpByY1qHG4

TimeKiller
03-16-2012, 08:16 PM
I think so. Catching out of the backfield, as long as he stays healthy he's a threat. Maybe a run here or there. I'd like to see Graham step up and play #2TE but if they decide to move Casey to TE fulltime they really need to draft one or bring a few in for try outs UDFA.

leebigeztx
03-16-2012, 10:59 PM
I always thought he was used poorly. He's an ex factor when used right. He can run,catch,and block good enough. He's big fast and athletic too. He can get vertical on every lb.

Thorn
03-16-2012, 11:07 PM
Re: Casey, used correctly

Casey, as a WalMart greeter: Hi. Welcome to ****ing Walmart.

Old Lady: What did you just say to me?

* Casey throws old lady in a cart and shoves her towards the diapers section *

Casey, as a WalMart greeter: Hi. Welcome to ****ing Walmart.

WalMart manager: I'm afraid we can't renew your contract

pec0sb0b
03-17-2012, 01:11 AM
Texans have put a fullback on the field primarily in short yardage situations over the last two seasons. They actually gained more yards per carry in a singleback formation, as it's typically used in first and ten or second and ten situations. Casey's potential comes in the mismatch with the player tasked to cover him. Now the formation can morph from an I-formation to an offset-I, singleback twin tight end, he can line up in the slot or line up as an H-back and this gives them a matchup advantage against a base package (linebacker) or a nickel (defensive back). They used him some like this at Rice.

No, he's not near the blocker Leach is/was, but he can fill two roles and lets the team put another useful body on the roster, imho.

G27RR
05-15-2012, 11:40 AM
Casey will get some more time at TE this year in 2TE sets. It also sounds like they want to get more creative with him like they did last year. I'm looking forward to that, I loved seeing his output in limited time catching passes last year.

http://m.nfl.com/news/09000d5d8291a096/

JAMES CASEY TO PULL DOUBLE DUTY FOR HOUSTON TEXANSBy: Brian McIntyre | NFL.comPublished: May 15, 2012 at 6:49 AM
With the Houston Texans losing fullback Lawrence Vickers and tight end Joel Dreessen to free agency, head coach Gary Kubiak will be turning to versatile tight end/fullback James Casey to fill multiple roles on offense , reports John McClain of the Houston Chronicle.

"Heís going to play everywhere," Kubiak said. "Heís our starting fullback. Heís a starting (tight end) if we go to two tights. Itís still about versatility with James."

The 6-foot-3, 243-pound Casey played multiple positions on both side of the football, and even returned punts, during his two seasons at Rice before the Texans selected him in the fifth round of the 2009 NFL Draft. In 45 games, including 11 starts, over the last three seasons, Casey has 32 receptions for 422 yards and one touchdown with one rushing attempt for 11 yards. Most of that production came last year when Casey's playing time increased from 15 percent in 2009 and 2010 to over 30 percent in 2011.

With Kubiak leaning on Casey to fill two key roles on offense, Casey's playing time will spike again in 2012 as Vickers and Dreessen combined to play over 900 snaps last season. The Texans frequently employ two-tight end personnel groupings and both No. 1 tight end Owen Daniels and Dreessen had playing-time percentages of over 65 percent last season.

"It was sad to see those guys leave," said Casey. "I was really close to Joel. He taught me a lot when I came into the league, and I really looked up to him.

"You have to understand that itís part of the business. I look at it as an opportunity because there are spots available at tight end and fullback. I donít really know what my role will be right now, but Iím hoping to take another step forward and be a major contributor to this offense, whatever position it is."

SeŮor Stan
05-15-2012, 11:44 AM
I've mentioned before I would love to see the Texans utilize Casey in a no huddle mode. Start with him as FB and see what look you get from the D. On the next play, go to the line and have him move out to TE or WR based on the personnel the D has out there.

Same thing the other way...start a series with him split out, and get the D in a nickle or dime package and then move Casey back to FB and let Arian pound them for about 6 straight plays.

ckhouston
05-15-2012, 11:53 AM
Casey has great hands and is a true "football player". I think this will be his break-out season. Using him as both the starting FB and TE to me is perfect because you get an asset that many more opportunities.

powda
05-15-2012, 11:20 PM
I've mentioned before I would love to see the Texans utilize Casey in a no huddle mode. Start with him as FB and see what look you get from the D. On the next play, go to the line and have him move out to TE or WR based on the personnel the D has out there.

Same thing the other way...start a series with him split out, and get the D in a nickle or dime package and then move Casey back to FB and let Arian pound them for about 6 straight plays.

Exactly. One personnel mistake by the defense and we should take advantage for 3-5 plays. Joe Gibbs made a name for himself causing those kind of mismatches. Base defense? Casey as a a te or wideout. Nickle or dime? Fullback and run it down their gullet.
I have doubts about his season long durability as a fullback but he is a fantastic example of a player who creates mismatches. Only when the defense proves they can stop it should we take a different attack. Any team with average or subpar linebackers should be a signature casey game even if he doesn't have the stats in the end.

He has the best hands on the team. Why aren't we using them?

Rey
05-15-2012, 11:31 PM
The evolution of James Casey.

I remember his first couple years here he was always talking about just making the team. Now he's talking about becoming a major contributor to the offense.

He's a seasoned vet at this point. Time to unleash.

Quick II Draw
05-16-2012, 01:37 AM
James Casey is a 75 (out of 100) as a fullback in Madden 12.
If you convert him to a TE, he becomes a 87.

:tiphat:

pec0sb0b
05-16-2012, 03:11 AM
He went off in the game against the Saints last year.

TheMatrix31
05-16-2012, 04:29 AM
Use him. We need offense. Use him, dammit.

TejasTom
05-20-2012, 08:05 AM
I think Casey could add that dimension to this offense.

...I wonder if he can throw....?
:thinking:

Yes, he can.


He would have likely played quarterback if he had returned to Rice for his junior season.

He played seven positions in one game as a freshman.

He also frequently took direct snaps and ran with the ball at Rice, so he could be a Wildcat weapon in the NFL.

Casey was originally recruited to play linebacker, and then was moved to defensive end, quarterback and eventually tight end/H-back. Rice's coaching staff was surprised by his pass-catching ability, and revamped their offense to feature Casey in 2008.

"Running down the middle of the field into a cover two, catching the ball, having a safety hit you and still hold on to the ball," Casey says. "That may be what I do best."


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/04/23/james.casey/index.html#ixzz1vPUmjd4E