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Norg
03-16-2012, 12:02 AM
I was listening to the local radio today and the sense around the fourm why are yall so worried about losing him

first of all hes getting older and has been injured alot

ANd the big one Cant u see the coaches plan look we got

Thomas Austin G
62 Antoine Caldwell G
66 Andrew Gardner G
71 Shelley Smith G

4 yes FOUR """"""Younger"""""" Guards on this team i think the picture is has clear has Day Kubes is going to let these battle it out in the off season winner gets the job at RG ..so this means Mike is expendable

same with dressen and who ever else is on our UFA list


.....But i do agree keeping Myers would be something i would do depending on what type of money he wants

texanhead08
03-16-2012, 01:04 AM
Did you see how the offense struggled in the games he missed last year??

Mari-OWNED!
03-16-2012, 01:06 AM
Did you see how the offense struggled in the games he missed last year??

Well to be fair those games he missed were also when the Texans had a rookie QB under center.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 01:40 AM
I just remember thinking Caldwell is not looking too good and I think it had to do more with him just not being as good as Brisiel. However, I am excited about Smith. I'm going to trust the coaches on this one for the following reason. He is not going to be expensive to resign so if the coaches let him walk it is not because they don't have the money, it's because they think that they have his replacement on the roster already. If this coaching staff has shown one thing it is that they know how to pick o-linemen.

Wolf6151
03-16-2012, 01:56 AM
I don't have a problem with Brisiel or Dreesen walking, we've got depth on the roster already to fill their shoes. Myers would be tough but not impossible to replace and if Myers does need to be replaced then as long as we do it soon we should be alright. The O-line has all the offseason OTA's and training camp to gel as a unit.

ObsiWan
03-16-2012, 05:00 AM
I don't have a problem with Brisiel or Dreesen walking, we've got depth on the roster already to fill their shoes. Myers would be tough but not impossible to replace and if Myers does need to be replaced then as long as we do it soon we should be alright. The O-line has all the offseason OTA's and training camp to gel as a unit.

I sort of agree with you. I think Brisiel is more replaceable than Dreessen. Dreessen was more of a scoring threat than O.D. was this past season (3 TDs for O.D. and 6 for Dreessen). And Dreessen is the stronger blocker of the two.

As guards go, Brisiel is okay, but I don't think he isn't replaceable.

TheEastwood
03-16-2012, 05:48 AM
I think dreesen scored so much because teams paid more attention to od. Most of the time he scored he was wide open. I remember that long td he had. I don't believe their was anyone within 20 yards of him.

I think grahem could be more than servicable in that role, but id really like to see casey as a tightend. I feel he's almost criminally underused. Everytime he's had the chance to be showcased (new orleans, 2nd ten game) he has gone off

badboy
03-16-2012, 09:21 AM
I was listening to the local radio today and the sense around the fourm why are yall so worried about losing him

first of all hes getting older and has been injured alot

ANd the big one Cant u see the coaches plan look we got

Thomas Austin G
62 Antoine Caldwell G
66 Andrew Gardner G
71 Shelley Smith G

4 yes FOUR """"""Younger"""""" Guards on this team i think the picture is has clear has Day Kubes is going to let these battle it out in the off season winner gets the job at RG ..so this means Mike is expendable

same with dressen and who ever else is on our UFA list


.....But i do agree keeping Myers would be something i would do depending on what type of money he wantsOptimistically hoping you are right, but could someone explain what evidence you use to make a decision that any of the guys listed is a starting OG? Smith played 2 games in 2010 and only a few plays in 2011 if that as most of the year he was on IR. Most of them are very low draft picks that statistically have musch less chance of making team rather than starting. I had no problem drafting them but give me a reason to think we could trade all of them for a backup RG.

If you think any of them other than Caldwell was drafted with an expectation of being a starter in less than three years, I think you are wrong. He instilled no hope in me the few plays he replaced Briesel. Broken leg Briesel.

Texan_Bill
03-16-2012, 09:44 AM
I was listening to the local radio today and the sense around the fourm why are yall so worried about losing him

first of all hes getting older and has been injured alot

ANd the big one Cant u see the coaches plan look we got

Thomas Austin G
62 Antoine Caldwell G
66 Andrew Gardner G
71 Shelley Smith G

4 yes FOUR """"""Younger"""""" Guards on this team i think the picture is has clear has Day Kubes is going to let these battle it out in the off season winner gets the job at RG ..so this means Mike is expendable

same with dressen and who ever else is on our UFA list


.....But i do agree keeping Myers would be something i would do depending on what type of money he wants

Losing 40% of your offensive line (assuming the Texans re-sign Meyers - 60% if they don't) is a huge obstacle to overcome. Continuity is huge for O-lines, especially with the scheme the Texans run. It's not as easy as "unplug 'A' and plug in 'B'".

Winston, Brisiel, Meyers, etc. may not be any great shakes individually but as a unit they were solid.

Blake
03-16-2012, 10:00 AM
Losing 40% of your offensive line (assuming the Texans re-sign Meyers - 60% if they don't) is a huge obstacle to overcome. Continuity is huge for O-lines, especially with the scheme the Texans run. It's not as easy as "unplug 'A' and plug in 'B'".

Winston, Brisiel, Meyers, etc. may not be any great shakes individually but as a unit they were solid.

Spot on. People dont feel Briesel is a world beater, just that we already lost Winston, might lose Myers, and dont want to have 60% of our o-line be new and then have to hear that "gel" bull-****.

ArlingtonTexan
03-16-2012, 10:44 AM
As it looks now (assuming the mass defection) the OL would be adding Caldwell and Butler, both of whom have spent multiple years with the Texans. They should be ready to start and gel quickly. that key is should be, we don't know for sure in either case.

Doppelganger
03-16-2012, 10:47 AM
Losing 40% of your offensive line (assuming the Texans re-sign Meyers - 60% if they don't) is a huge obstacle to overcome. Continuity is huge for O-lines, especially with the scheme the Texans run. It's not as easy as "unplug 'A' and plug in 'B'".

Winston, Brisiel, Meyers, etc. may not be any great shakes individually but as a unit they were solid.

I think its too early to go down this road of thinking. Winston, Briesel, and Myers could all be re-signed. Winston was let go because of a salary issue. The Cardinals cut their starting OT Levi Brown for the same reason. A couple of days later they re-signed him to a more team friendly contract. I wouldn't be surprised to see Winston return.

The thing about Winston and Myers are that they are fairly scheme specific. Winston is a pretty light OT(only 315) and Myers is a very light Center (only 292). I could see both of them returning.

srrono
03-16-2012, 10:50 AM
Brisiel was our b/u Center as well.

jaayteetx
03-16-2012, 10:52 AM
We had what many around the league regarded as one of, if not the best lines in the league. Now, we stand to lose up to three of them and some people are like "no big deal, we'll just replace them and move on". I hope so, but I'm not so sure.

Grams
03-16-2012, 11:02 AM
We had what many around the league regarded as one of, if not the best lines in the league. Now, we stand to lose up to three of them and some people are like "no big deal, we'll just replace them and move on". I hope so, but I'm not so sure.

It is no big deal. We have absolutely no control over what the Texans do or do not do.

And as of right now - none of our FA OL have signed anywhere - there is just as good a chance that they re-sign with us. If not, the Texans will decide who to put in there - again - nothing we have any control over.

I am sure we will have an OL at the beginning of the season - who it consists of remains to be seen.

Texan_Bill
03-16-2012, 11:16 AM
I think its too early to go down this road of thinking. Winston, Briesel, and Myers could all be re-signed. Winston was let go because of a salary issue. The Cardinals cut their starting OT Levi Brown for the same reason. A couple of days later they re-signed him to a more team friendly contract. I wouldn't be surprised to see Winston return.

The thing about Winston and Myers are that they are fairly scheme specific. Winston is a pretty light OT(only 315) and Myers is a very light Center (only 292). I could see both of them returning.

If I understand correctly, the Texans can not re-sign or more accurately restructure Winston's contract because he had less than two years on the current contract... Or something to that effect. So, he is gone. With regards to Meyers, someone out there may be willing to overspend for someone who is perceived as one of the top two or three centers in the league.

ChampionTexan
03-16-2012, 11:23 AM
If I understand correctly, the Texans can not re-sign or more accurately restructure Winston's contract because he had less than two years on the current contract... Or something to that effect. So, he is gone. With regards to Meyers, someone out there may be willing to overspend for someone who is perceived as one of the top two or three centers in the league.

His old contract no longer matters - to the Texans or anybody else. He can sign a new contract here just like he can any one of the other 31 NFL teams.

That said, the chances of that happening are very very small.

IDEXAN
03-16-2012, 11:31 AM
As it looks now (assuming the mass defection) the OL would be adding Caldwell and Butler, both of whom have spent multiple years with the Texans. They should be ready to start and gel quickly. that key is should be, we don't know for sure in either case.
I would cautiously agree with you AT, especially about Butler because I think he's actually a superior pass-blocker to Winston, though granted that's not a real high bar for Rashad to meet. But he is primarily a finesse guy, really a LT, and our run-blocking will fall off under Rashad because Winston did excel in that area.
I don't know what to think about Caldwell, who was drafted in the third round basically to replace Myers as I recall ? Maybe he'll finally realize the potential the Texans saw in him if we lose Myers ?

TexanBacker93
03-16-2012, 11:32 AM
If I understand correctly, the Texans can not re-sign or more accurately restructure Winston's contract because he had less than two years on the current contract... Or something to that effect. So, he is gone. With regards to Meyers, someone out there may be willing to overspend for someone who is perceived as one of the top two or three centers in the league.

I think the problem was you can't restructure with only 2 years left without doing an extension. I'm guessing they didn't want to extend and end up giving him more than his worth over the next few years.

ObsiWan
03-16-2012, 11:46 AM
Optimistically hoping you are right, but could someone explain what evidence you use to make a decision that any of the guys listed is a starting OG? Smith played 2 games in 2010 and only a few plays in 2011 if that as most of the year he was on IR. Most of them are very low draft picks that statistically have musch less chance of making team rather than starting. I had no problem drafting them but give me a reason to think we could trade all of them for a backup RG.

If you think any of them other than Caldwell was drafted with an expectation of being a starter in less than three years, I think you are wrong. He instilled no hope in me the few plays he replaced Briesel. Broken leg Briesel.

Now don't forget that Brisiel was an UDFA and we claimed Myers off the Denver scrap heap for a 6th. Our system and coaches - and their hard work, can't leave that out - has turned both of them from "WhoDats" into marketable commodities. Since neither has signed, it remains to be seen how marketable they are. They may end up right back here.

If they don't, the same system and O-line coaches that developed them can develop others.

...at least that's what I keep telling myself.
:bubbles:

zwest1231
03-16-2012, 11:52 AM
With the Mario situation now settled put me down in the camp of not wanting to overspend on Meyers either. Arm chair GM in me brings back Brisiel obviously lower cost than Meyers, put him at center draft Kevin Zeitler out of Wisconsin in the 2nd rd have him compete with Caldwell for RG spot and then make a push for Mike Wallace as really the only game changer left on the market. I know it costs us money and a first rounder but we will have to put up a lot more points agianst the schedule we have this year as opposed to last, and although our defense would have been better with Mario I dont think it would have been 50 million dollars better. :chef:

ObsiWan
03-16-2012, 12:03 PM
With the Mario situation now settled put me down in the camp of not wanting to overspend on Meyers either. Arm chair GM in me brings back Brisiel obviously lower cost than Meyers, put him at center draft Kevin Zeitler out of Wisconsin in the 2nd rd have him compete with Caldwell for RG spot and then make a push for Mike Wallace as really the only game changer left on the market. I know it costs us money and a first rounder but we will have to put up a lot more points agianst the schedule we have this year as opposed to last, and although our defense would have been better with Mario I dont think it would have been 50 million dollars better. :chef:
I'd rather use our 1st rounder to fill a need than burn it on Wallace. I think we can find a suitable WR in the draft. If we go Zeitler in the 2nd we ought to be able to grab a stud WR in the first.

...unless Wade demands a Mario-replacement-unit

G27RR
03-16-2012, 12:16 PM
I think the problem was you can't restructure with only 2 years left without doing an extension. I'm guessing they didn't want to extend and end up giving him more than his worth over the next few years.

I don't believe there are any CBA rules against restructuring a two year (remaining) contract without an extension, but you have a really hard time saving cap room in a responsible way if you can only move money between this year and next year. If they push money just into next year, they will have more problems keeping Brown, Barwin, Schaub, etc.

They could have pushed it to next year and bought time to do a new longer term contract, but they may have felt long term money for Winston wasn't a good value relative to the cap and his replacement.

badboy
03-16-2012, 12:46 PM
Now don't forget that Brisiel was an UDFA and we claimed Myers off the Denver scrap heap for a 6th. Our system and coaches - and their hard work, can't leave that out - has turned both of them from "WhoDats" into marketable commodities. Since neither has signed, it remains to be seen how marketable they are. They may end up right back here.

If they don't, the same system and O-line coaches that developed them can develop others.

...at least that's what I keep telling myself.
:bubbles:You are speaking of the oline, I was addressing players in the OP.

Texan_Bill
03-16-2012, 12:50 PM
His old contract no longer matters - to the Texans or anybody else. He can sign a new contract here just like he can any one of the other 31 NFL teams.

That said, the chances of that happening are very very small.

I think the problem was you can't restructure with only 2 years left without doing an extension. I'm guessing they didn't want to extend and end up giving him more than his worth over the next few years.

Champion, what TexanBacker said sounds about right from what I heard and that's why it won't happen.

zwest1231
03-16-2012, 01:05 PM
I'd rather use our 1st rounder to fill a need than burn it on Wallace. I think we can find a suitable WR in the draft. If we go Zeitler in the 2nd we ought to be able to grab a stud WR in the first.

...unless Wade demands a Mario-replacement-unit

I doubt any impact guys are around at 26 call me skeptical but I dont feel like Jeffery or Randle can handle being a WR2 at least not at first. I dont neccesarily disagree that going after Wallace would be costly. I think we might be able to find some rotational guys to step in for Mario such as bringing back Mark Anderson? However if we do not get Wallace I have no problem drafting another OLB in the first if we have them rated higher than the best available WR I wouldnt even mind drafting that knucklehead Janoris Jenkins if he somehow fell to us then we could start the move Kareem to safety talk up again.:chef:

SCOTTexans
03-16-2012, 01:20 PM
I'd rather use our 1st rounder to fill a need than burn it on Wallace. I think we can find a suitable WR in the draft. If we go Zeitler in the 2nd we ought to be able to grab a stud WR in the first.

...unless Wade demands a Mario-replacement-unit

I agree we can get a good reciever to compliment Dre in the draft, i dont want us getting into another big contracted that puts us in the same boat next yr as we are now.

And extend some contracts this yr especially since Barwin, Brown, Butler, Cawdwell, Casey , and Cody are all free agents in 2013 ans Cushing in 2012

Goldensilence
03-16-2012, 01:33 PM
I think Brisiel's best value honestly is how long he's been here and knowing his assignments at guard. Most teams around the league aren't looking at him like a Steve Hutchinson type, more like a Wade Smith signing. Someone who can come in and has a shot at helping solidify a line that might be close. Meaning: I don't think Mike's in line to get a huge contract at all.

I think IF the Texans FO wants to resign him, its not going to cost them a whole lot. The question becomes is there someone just as good or even better than him in the wings? I'm still curious what we have in Shelley Smith.

2012Champs
03-16-2012, 06:22 PM
Espn 97.5 reporting he has signed with the raiders

NastyNate
03-16-2012, 06:22 PM
Hey moderator, if you're going to merge my briesel thread signs with the Raiders into a Mike Briesel ???? thread at least change the f$cking title. That's just pointless.

Naiirb
03-16-2012, 06:23 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/180780161988440064

"In a deal done and confirmed by @jeffsperbeck, former Texans guard Mike Brisiel has signed with the Oakland Raiders."

Bye bye biscuit :(

thunderkyss
03-16-2012, 06:24 PM
Relax.


Rick Smith is about to pounce.

NastyNate
03-16-2012, 06:26 PM
Relax.


Rick Smith is about to pounce.

On what? Briesel just signed with the Raiders.

TEXANS84
03-16-2012, 06:27 PM
Dammit.

NastyNate
03-16-2012, 06:28 PM
97.5 reporting, as well as Adam Schefter.

In a deal done and confirmed by @jeffsperbeck, former Texans guard Mike Brisiel has signed with the Oakland Raiders.

drunkcookie
03-16-2012, 06:28 PM
Is there a new 7 on 7 league starting up next year or something?

Nawzer
03-16-2012, 06:28 PM
And so the exodus continues.

G27RR
03-16-2012, 06:35 PM
Relax.


Rick Smith is about to pounce.

On Myers?

Hate to see us lose 60% of our starting line all at once, if that doesn't happen.

Playoffs
03-16-2012, 06:41 PM
Lance Zierlein ‏ @LanceZierlein Reply Retweet Favorite Open
Terrible RT @McClain_on_NFL: G Mike Brisiel getting $20 mil over 5 years from Raiders. He'd been looking for $4 per. Congrats Mike!

Nawzer
03-16-2012, 06:41 PM
McClain reporting Raiders signed Brisiel for 5 year $20 milllion.

Naiirb
03-16-2012, 06:42 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL/status/180785431766511616

G Mike Brisiel getting $20 mil over 5 years from Raiders. He'd been looking for $4 per. Congrats Mike!

Yikes, glad Brisiel got his payday though

Dutchrudder
03-16-2012, 06:42 PM
Chris Myers just gained more leverage...

This is bad, we let the 26 ur old go an are about to overpay for a 30 yr old Center... :-(

G27RR
03-16-2012, 06:47 PM
Chris Myers just gained more leverage...


My thoughts exactly. I want to keep Myers, but I sure hope they stay reasonable if they sign him.

It's the loss of so much continuity that concerns me, not so much the specific guys.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 06:49 PM
It seems that the Texans really really wanted to resign Myers and Williams but they were not able to sign at least Williams due to cap constraints. When Myers went to the Pro Bowl I read that Rick Smith went with to his son to try to convince Myers to stay with the Texans. I do not think that the Texans FO was too overly concerned with resigning Brisiel because I'm pretty damn sure that he did not sign a monster contract, therefore money probably was not the issue. If they did not go hard after him I believe it is because they think that his replacement is on the current roster. Like I wrote earlier if there is one thing that the Texans coaching staff & FO have shown it is that they know how to pick o-linemen so I'll trust them on this one. That being said, if we are not able to resign Myers I'll be pissed. This is why I was aggravated when we allowed every single one of our UFA to hit the free market.

Playoffs
03-16-2012, 06:49 PM
Enjoy the Raiders, Mike.

WolverineFan
03-16-2012, 06:50 PM
Signed for 5 years, $20 million. Obviously we couldn't compete with that seeing as how we cut Winston, who was owed a little over $11 million the next 2 seasons.

I'm not too upset over losing him or Winston, Myers is the big one IMO.

Allstar
03-16-2012, 06:50 PM
Ugh, if we lose Myers along with Brisiel and Winston, I'm going to be very, very concerned.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 06:54 PM
I stand corrected. No way in hell did I think that Brisiel was going to get 4 million a year. Overpaid. What will Myers command on the free market if freaking Brisiel just signed for 4 million a year. This is not good. Our chances of resigning Myers have just decreased. Hello Peter Konz.

gary
03-16-2012, 06:55 PM
Looks like Myers and Dreessen might be next.

SCOTTexans
03-16-2012, 06:55 PM
well my time has come.... :panic:

IDEXAN
03-16-2012, 06:58 PM
Chris Myers just gained more leverage...

This is bad, we let the 26 ur old go an are about to overpay for a 30 yr old Center... :-(
Mike is 29.

Lucky
03-16-2012, 07:21 PM
As it looks now (assuming the mass defection) the OL would be adding Caldwell and Butler, both of whom have spent multiple years with the Texans. They should be ready to start and gel quickly. that key is should be, we don't know for sure in either case.
You're right, Butler and Caldwell know the system. They just need to step their games up.
I think Brisiel's best value honestly is how long he's been here and knowing his assignments at guard. Most teams around the league aren't looking at him like a Steve Hutchinson type, more like a Wade Smith signing.
I haven't followed free agency closely, or at least outside of where Texans are going. But, there are Wade Smith types in free agency every year. The Texans just need to find one to compete with Caldwell. And Derek Newton was drafted and kept on the roster for a reason. He should get a shot at competing at the RT spot with Butler.

TimeKiller
03-16-2012, 08:31 PM
Wow 4 mil for Brisiel. About twice what the Texans would've offered and twice what he's really worth.

Gonna have an OL heavy draft this year....

Speedy
03-16-2012, 08:49 PM
Hey moderator, if you're going to merge my briesel thread signs with the Raiders into a Mike Briesel ???? thread at least change the f$cking title. That's just pointless.

Yeah, these merging threads are getting pretty ridiculous. I'd kinda like to not have to wade through pages of a thread to find out if someone signed just because there was already a thread with so and so's name on it. If someone has signed, that's a different topic. Leave the damn thread alone.

Not trying to tell anyone how to run the place, jus sayin.

Lucky
03-16-2012, 08:58 PM
Yeah, these merging threads are getting pretty ridiculous.
Probably as ridiculous as posters not searching forums for identical topics. Or biatching about threads merging.

Just saying.

SheTexan
03-16-2012, 09:08 PM
Probably as ridiculous as posters not searching forums for identical topics. Or biatching about threads merging.

Just saying.

Must spread rep! Git um Lucky!!

Cerberus
03-16-2012, 09:50 PM
Sorry if already posted:

@AdamSchefter
In a deal done and confirmed by @jeffsperbeck, former Texans guard Mike Brisiel has signed with the Oakland Raiders.

Edit: Just saw it on the NFL board. So I guess this is just confirmation that he is no longer a Texan, thus should be vanquished to the NFL board.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 09:54 PM
Yep, really late but it's all good man. Everybody is so happy about the Myers signing I don't think that many people will notice :doot:

Runner
03-16-2012, 10:12 PM
Enjoy the Raiders, Mike.

It's about the $20M. Players follow the money. Winning is secondary. Loyalty is something fans talk about.

Corrosion
03-17-2012, 01:31 AM
It's about the $20M. Players follow the money. Winning is secondary. Loyalty is something fans talk about.

I wouldnt call it that ... Just like the offer Barfalo gave MW , this offer by the Raiders to Brisiel is just too good to pass up.

We know the Texans couldnt come close to those numbers due to cap constraints - He's likely getting double what they were able / willing to offer.

I'd have gone to the Raiders too .... You have to be loyal to yourself first. Its a business first and a game second.

keyser
03-17-2012, 01:58 AM
Too bad - I was hoping we'd keep Brisiel. I really can't blame someone for maximizing their income during what is really a pretty short time frame for a career.

I'm wondering, though, why so many people feel he's being overpaid? $4M/year seems hight but not totally extravagant for a starting guard. Especially when people are OK with paying Myers $6.25M/year. I'll agree that as the Center, Myers is more critical, but it seems a bit weird that to many people, Myers' contract seems fine, while Brisiel's seems extravagent. I thought Brisiel was just as competent in his role as Myers was in his.

In any case, though, if we had to get only one of Myers and Brisiel, I'm glad we kept Myers.

beerlover
03-17-2012, 02:27 AM
Too bad - I was hoping we'd keep Brisiel. I really can't blame someone for maximizing their income during what is really a pretty short time frame for a career.

I'm wondering, though, why so many people feel he's being overpaid? $4M/year seems hight but not totally extravagant for a starting guard. Especially when people are OK with paying Myers $6.25M/year. I'll agree that as the Center, Myers is more critical, but it seems a bit weird that to many people, Myers' contract seems fine, while Brisiel's seems extravagent. I thought Brisiel was just as competent in his role as Myers was in his.

In any case, though, if we had to get only one of Myers and Brisiel, I'm glad we kept Myers.

I approve this post.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

thunderkyss
03-17-2012, 08:22 AM
We know the Texans couldnt come close to those numbers due to cap constraints - He's likely getting double what they were able / willing to offer.


We don't know that. Rumor is we offered $44M guaranteed, they offered $50M guaranteed.

Thorn
03-17-2012, 12:25 PM
In any case, though, if we had to get only one of Myers and Brisiel, I'm glad we kept Myers.

I agree with that, but I would have liked to be able to keep them both. We need to start grooming the next center though.

ChampionTexan
03-17-2012, 12:43 PM
We don't know that. Rumor is we offered $44M guaranteed, they offered $50M guaranteed.

Have you seen that rumor anywhere else besides on this board posted by one poster?

thunderkyss
03-17-2012, 01:19 PM
Have you seen that rumor anywhere else besides on this board posted by one poster?

It doesn't matter. My post started off

"We don't know that"

We don't.

ChampionTexan
03-17-2012, 01:30 PM
It doesn't matter. My post started off

"We don't know that"

We don't.

Well, when you've got Mario and McNair both saying things indicating it's highly unlikely that the $44 Million was ever in play, I choose to give that "rumor" zero credence.

thunderkyss
03-17-2012, 02:10 PM
Well, when you've got Mario and McNair both saying things indicating it's highly unlikely that the $44 Million was ever in play, I choose to give that "rumor" zero credence.

What did McNair say?

All I'm saying is we don't know if the Bills offer was twice Houston's or that we couldn't match.


We don't know what Mario's cap number will be for 2012, it might be $10M & I'm sure there is a way we could do that.

ChampionTexan
03-17-2012, 02:36 PM
What did McNair say?



Via Twitter.
darren rovell ‏ @darrenrovell

Bob McNair tells me Mario Williams would have done a hometown discount, but not $6M less/year, which is what Texans offered.