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281
03-13-2012, 04:35 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/staff/chris-olsen/60032eb8-d2f1-471d-9902-4842f91a411d

You were supposed to be top-notch... I guess we were all wrong.

mussop
03-13-2012, 04:38 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/staff/chris-olsen/60032eb8-d2f1-471d-9902-4842f91a411d

You were supposed to be top-notch... I guess we were all wrong.

to soon!

281
03-13-2012, 04:40 PM
to soon!

Perhaps...

Pantherstang84
03-13-2012, 05:31 PM
We need the Redskins cap guy. They spend mad money every year in FA with no apparent cap issues. We need that dude.

run-david-run
03-13-2012, 05:37 PM
We need the Redskins cap guy. They spend mad money every year in FA with no apparent cap issues. We need that dude.

Excellent timing there!

Line_Producer
03-13-2012, 05:43 PM
The Cap guy who just got fined $36 million?

Pantherstang84
03-13-2012, 05:46 PM
The Cap guy who just got fined $36 million?

The League has to be real careful there. There was no cap in 2010 although the NFL is acting like there was. I think the Skins and the Cowboy have a real gripe with the League and should explore legal action.

They played by the written rules in place at the time. However, to answer your question. Yeah, that cap guy.

BTW...He didn't get fined.

Norg
03-13-2012, 05:47 PM
We are in the age of Free agency PLayers are not loyal to a Team they are loyal to each other a botherhood

Of course they will go were a sweet deal is they got bills to pay cars 2 buy and prob are thinking if i get this money even my kids kids are set for life meaning Family comes before team

drunkcookie
03-13-2012, 06:03 PM
We need the Redskins cap guy. They spend mad money every year in FA with no apparent cap issues. We need that dude.

Really? So we can overpay Haynesworth? So we can not make the playoffs in seven years while spending mad money?

I think I'll pass on Washington's mad money scientist...

Line_Producer
03-13-2012, 06:03 PM
BTW...He didn't get fined.

Much like this isn't Chris Olsen's fault. :kitten:

Pantherstang84
03-13-2012, 06:05 PM
Really? So we can overpay Haynesworth? So we can not make the playoffs in seven years while spending mad money?

I think I'll pass on Washington's mad money scientist...

Not the context of my post.

My point wasn't the Texans need to spend mad money in FA. My point is they need a better cap manager.

Norg
03-13-2012, 06:08 PM
We need the Redskins cap guy. They spend mad money every year in FA with no apparent cap issues. We need that dude.

thats because they Pretty much skip the draft they trade away all there picks and Cut all the rookies they draft

and build there team through F/A thats how they build there team

drunkcookie
03-13-2012, 06:18 PM
Not the context of my post.

My point wasn't the Texans need to spend mad money in FA. My point is they need a better cap manager.

It's not about how you manage the cap, it's what you do with what's under that cap...

Sadly, the Texans have obtained too many good players over the past five or so years and they can't pay them all... Arian, Mario, Meyers... Those are three guys at the top of the list at their respected positions, and will all take a chit ton of money to retain... I guarantee you, Mr. Cap and the rest of the Texans front office never expected Foster to become the best all around RB in the league.. (hince drafting Tate in the 2nd).. but he did, he was up and it took money to keep him... Probably the only negative about Foster: a totally unexpected huge ass cap hit (though they worked it as best as they could)...

Norg
03-13-2012, 06:25 PM
i still think paying a Running back in this day of age is not a good idea

and with that even paying a Oline is not a good idea either in this day of age in the NFL well esp a Runn blocking Oline

some teams only get Tall Tree like Oline men that excel at Pass protection and can run block to save thee lives

wolf123
03-13-2012, 06:31 PM
Doesn't matter who we have managing our cap, when you have this many elite players your gonna have to make tough decisions...

drs23
03-13-2012, 06:59 PM
It's not about how you manage the cap, it's what you do with what's under that cap...

Sadly, the Texans have obtained too many good players over the past five or so years and they can't pay them all... Arian, Mario, Meyers... Those are three guys at the top of the list at their respected positions, and will all take a chit ton of money to retain... I guarantee you, Mr. Cap and the rest of the Texans front office never expected Foster to become the best all around RB in the league.. (hince drafting Tate in the 2nd).. but he did, he was up and it took money to keep him... Probably the only negative about Foster: a totally unexpected huge ass cap hit (though they worked it as best as they could)...

Yeah, that Rick Smith guy sucks, don't he? :kitten:

ckhouston
03-14-2012, 09:15 AM
Yeah, that Rick Smith guy sucks, don't he? :kitten:

Yes he does. Arian was pure luck, nothing to do with Smith. Mario was Charlies pick. Myers was thought to be a bust and then turned things around. last year was Wade ... all Wade. Maybe Tate, but I think that was more Gary than Rick. Smith has shown this organization absolutely nothing. Imho.

drunkcookie
03-14-2012, 09:22 AM
Yes he does. Arian was pure luck, nothing to do with Smith. Mario was Charlies pick. Myers was thought to be a bust and then turned things around. last year was Wade ... all Wade. Maybe Tate, but I think that was more Gary than Rick. Smith has shown this organization absolutely nothing.

Huh? Duane Brown was his pick, Tate was his pick (don't pick and choose who picked who when you don't really know), Cushing his pick etc... The guy isn't a failure at getting talent on this team... I don't think he's the greatest GM in the world (Okoye, MAYBE Jackson but it's still early), but he's for sure not horrible and has overseen the process of the Texans loading this team with great talent...

Ole Miss Texan
03-14-2012, 09:33 AM
Yes he does. Arian was pure luck, nothing to do with Smith. Mario was Charlies pick. Myers was thought to be a bust and then turned things around. last year was Wade ... all Wade. Maybe Tate, but I think that was more Gary than Rick. Smith has shown this organization absolutely nothing. Imho.

Wow I think that's a little unfair. I'm not going to waste time by going through all our players and moves but just wanted to comment on this a little. You CANNOT discount Myers like that. They saw something in Myers for them to trade a 6th rd pick for him (a steal). While most fans thought he was a "bust" some of us saw steady improvement and wanted to stick with him. The FO felt the same way, luckily and didn't give up on him. Smith was the one that gave Foster a 2-year deal while all the other GMs that wanted him (how many who knows?) wouldn't do that... he took a chance that others wouldn't. Look at the way he as navigated the draft trading down in '08 to pick up Duane Brown AND Steve Slaton. Look at the way he traded down in '10 and then back up again to ensure we got Tate. Look at the the way he navigated free agency last year, almost landing Asomugha but dealing with both Joseph's and Manning's agents at the same time and going with them instead. Sure some of the players may be Wade's, or Gary's or the Head Scout's... but in FA he's the one that deals with them and their agents. Pretty sure Glover Quin was his guy among many others...

I'm not going to pretend he's the greatest ever. There's been plenty of mistakes. Probably too many to name but to pretend that doesn't happen in every single other ball club is asinine. The bottom line is the combination of Smith and Kubiak and picking up Wade has made this club one of the better ones. Look at the roster from top to bottom, particularly the acquisitions since 2007 and it's light years ahead of most other teams.

We simply can't place all the blame or all the success on a single guy (ie Kubiak, Smith, Wade or McNair). Football is the ultimate team sport and part of building a GREAT franchise is getting the right people in the right positions. Having a good front office is having a team of people that all work together to accomplish the same goals. I think Smith, Kubiak and Wade are a GREAT team.

badboy
03-14-2012, 10:15 AM
Yes he does. Arian was pure luck, nothing to do with Smith. Mario was Charlies pick. Myers was thought to be a bust and then turned things around. last year was Wade ... all Wade. Maybe Tate, but I think that was more Gary than Rick. Smith has shown this organization absolutely nothing. Imho.How was Foster luck? Team researched and selected him over 31 other teams. They did not flip a coin.

ckhouston
03-14-2012, 10:35 AM
How was Foster luck? Team researched and selected him over 31 other teams. They did not flip a coin.

Really, in what round was Foster "selected"?

Texan_Bill
03-14-2012, 10:45 AM
Really, in what round was Foster "selected"?

Don't be obtuse. Obviously he wasn't selected in any round. He was selected as an undrafted free agent. The Texans did their due diligence and selected him to sign, was Badboy's point.

HTown2ATX
03-14-2012, 01:19 PM
Really? So we can overpay Haynesworth? So we can not make the playoffs in seven years while spending mad money?

I think I'll pass on Washington's mad money scientist...

In fairness I see his point about wanting the Redskins cap guy. Chris Olsen for the Texans and whomever runs the cap in WAS does not select the players. They simply have to make it work for what the FO wants.

So, if that guy is more a mad money sceintist than Olsen then I'd take him. He is not the one who overpaid for Haynesworth....but he found the money for the FO to do it.

I'm assuming you know this so I may be missing your point?

noxiousdog
03-14-2012, 01:29 PM
The League has to be real careful there. There was no cap in 2010 although the NFL is acting like there was. I think the Skins and the Cowboy have a real gripe with the League and should explore legal action.



I don't think they can do anything. The league got collusion protection from the NFLPA when brokering the penalties (that's why it was added to the other team's caps.)

ckhouston
03-14-2012, 01:56 PM
Don't be obtuse. Obviously he wasn't selected in any round. He was selected as an undrafted free agent. The Texans did their due diligence and selected him to sign, was Badboy's point.

He was signed as an undrafted FA which means no guaranteed money and no risk. Just a practice squad body and see if something comes out of it. Rick gets credit for that? :faildetector:

drunkcookie
03-14-2012, 02:09 PM
In fairness I see his point about wanting the Redskins cap guy. Chris Olsen for the Texans and whomever runs the cap in WAS does not select the players. They simply have to make it work for what the FO wants.

So, if that guy is more a mad money sceintist than Olsen then I'd take him. He is not the one who overpaid for Haynesworth....but he found the money for the FO to do it.

I'm assuming you know this so I may be missing your point?

I got what his point was, and understand it isn't the cap guy's decisions, i was just making two points with one post:

A.) Obviously having that badass cap guy hasn't helped the Redskins make the playoffs in seven years..

B.) The Cap guy doesn't spend the money or make the decisions, he just helps in crunching the numbers...

I seriousky doubt the "cap guy" gets things wrong by millions... Pretty sure they're on it, they provide the numbers and everything else is left up to the GM to decide...

Section516
03-14-2012, 02:11 PM
Mario Williams joining the Buffalo Bills is looking more and more likely.

His fiancee joined him in Buffalo Wednesday, and he’s not flying her up to show her a place he doesn’t want to play or live.

Paul Peck of WIVB-TV in Buffalo talked to Williams at the airport and initially thought the defensive end was leaving. Peck approached Williams and in a drive-by interview learned that he was merely picking up the future Mrs.

If and when Williams signs with the Bills, the Texans may become more active. They've set aside the money they offered the outside linebacker/defensive end in case he changes course and decides to accept.

Posted in multiple places due to being relevant to multiple threads..

If he doesn't, those dollars will come free and we can expect them to try to retain their free-agent center, Chris Myers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth

Vinny
03-14-2012, 02:12 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1916819&postcount=9

ObsiWan
03-14-2012, 02:25 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1916819&postcount=9

So are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
:)

ArlingtonTexan
03-14-2012, 02:31 PM
The roster size and salary cap dictate that a team is going to have find either street free agents or Undrafted free agents to complete the roster and potentially develpo into more than just roster filer. Most of these guys don't workout, but teams attempt to get guys who either fit the system, have some history of college production and/or core athletic ability. They are not just picking random guys for the hell of it.

Every good team in the league has at leaast one street/UDFA who is an important starter in their line-up. Super Bowl example: Victor Cruz.

steelbtexan
03-14-2012, 11:47 PM
Huh? Duane Brown was his pick, Tate was his pick (don't pick and choose who picked who when you don't really know), Cushing his pick etc... The guy isn't a failure at getting talent on this team... I don't think he's the greatest GM in the world (Okoye, MAYBE Jackson but it's still early), but he's for sure not horrible and has overseen the process of the Texans loading this team with great talent...

Just to set the record straight. D.Brown was an Alex Gibbs pick and 3/4ths of the MB whined about how big a reach D.Brown was late in the 1st rd.

Last yrs draft was all Wade.

I believe Ricks role is gangsta contract negotiatior.

Not talent evaluator. Gary and the offensive staff do the talent evaluating for the offensive side of the ball. (See D.Brown and Alex Smith) Wade and the defensive staff do the same for the defense. Bush and staff did this before Wade. (This explains why the defense has been historically bad)

drunkcookie
03-15-2012, 08:39 AM
Just to set the record straight. D.Brown was an Alex Gibbs pick and 3/4ths of the MB whined about how big a reach D.Brown was late in the 1st rd.

Last yrs draft was all Wade.

I believe Ricks role is gangsta contract negotiatior.

Not talent evaluator. Gary and the offensive staff do the talent evaluating for the offensive side of the ball. (See D.Brown and Alex Smith) Wade and the defensive staff do the same for the defense. Bush and staff did this before Wade. (This explains why the defense has been historically bad)

Oh i understand that, which is why I said he has "overseen" the loading of talent...

Though i don't think he's a great GM (yet at least, who knows), he for sure isn't horrible... People like to bash him for the poor choices of talent this team has made on his watch, but no credit for the good choices which i think greatly outweigh the poor ones...

Ole Miss Texan
03-15-2012, 08:51 AM
Just to set the record straight. D.Brown was an Alex Gibbs pick and 3/4ths of the MB whined about how big a reach D.Brown was late in the 1st rd.

Last yrs draft was all Wade.

I believe Ricks role is gangsta contract negotiatior.

Not talent evaluator. Gary and the offensive staff do the talent evaluating for the offensive side of the ball. (See D.Brown and Alex Smith) Wade and the defensive staff do the same for the defense. Bush and staff did this before Wade. (This explains why the defense has been historically bad)
All that is very true. But it was Rick Smith who negotiated with Baltimore to trade down since they wanted Flacco. It was also Rick Smith who fielded calls while we were at that 26th spot and he declined trading down further because they were afraid they'd miss out on Duane Brown (Gibbs' pick).

So because of Smith, we were able to get the "Coach's Guy" but at MUCH better value. And we got Slaton out of the deal. Funny looking back at how many people bitched and complained over Brown. Turned out to be great value and a great player.

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03-15-2012, 08:59 AM
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GP
03-15-2012, 09:03 AM
He was signed as an undrafted FA which means no guaranteed money and no risk. Just a practice squad body and see if something comes out of it. Rick gets credit for that? :faildetector:

Rick offered Arian more UDFA money than was being offered by the Saints, which led Arian to sign here. Yes, Rick bumped up the salary when he could have persuaded Bob or Gary that they shouldn't overspend for a UDFA.

Rick is also the head honcho over the scouts, so "Yes, he's involved in talent evaluation." He has stated that the coaches give the scouts a list of what type of players they want and Rick and the scouts go about the business of finding those players and presenting then to the coaches.

Everybody is involved. It's a known fact (via Rick Smith's interview at the NFL Combine this year) that they ALL sit down and they all have discussions, and the coaches generally get the guys they want. But the GM is involved. He surely is.

His role is to make sure everyone is on the same page, coordinating everyone's efforts.

drs23
03-16-2012, 12:38 PM
Rick offered Arian more UDFA money than was being offered by the Saints, which led Arian to sign here. Yes, Rick bumped up the salary when he could have persuaded Bob or Gary that they shouldn't overspend for a UDFA.

Not to leave out the fact they offered two years when no one else would. Now he's a Texan for a long time. Thank you Rick Smith. Good job.

Goldensilence
03-16-2012, 12:47 PM
So IF we really are up against the cap....where is all the money sunk? It's not like we've handed out huge contracts like candy at Halloween.

jaayteetx
03-16-2012, 01:16 PM
Rick offered Arian more UDFA money than was being offered by the Saints, which led Arian to sign here. Yes, Rick bumped up the salary when he could have persuaded Bob or Gary that they shouldn't overspend for a UDFA.

Rick is also the head honcho over the scouts, so "Yes, he's involved in talent evaluation." He has stated that the coaches give the scouts a list of what type of players they want and Rick and the scouts go about the business of finding those players and presenting then to the coaches.

Everybody is involved. It's a known fact (via Rick Smith's interview at the NFL Combine this year) that they ALL sit down and they all have discussions, and the coaches generally get the guys they want. But the GM is involved. He surely is.

His role is to make sure everyone is on the same page, coordinating everyone's efforts.

Uh, everything I read was Arian took a look at all the rosters and thought Houston was his best chance to get on the field.

Goldensilence
03-16-2012, 01:21 PM
Uh, everything I read was Arian took a look at all the rosters and thought Houston was his best chance to get on the field.

I think that unfortunately says so much about our RBs at the time.