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dalemurphy
03-13-2012, 01:06 AM
Winston, Leinart... maybe Jones and Demeco being cut. AJ has restructured. What is this all about? Literally none of our UFAs have been re-signed only ours before the start of free agency...

1. Clearing space for Mario, Myers, and company?
2. Clearing space for Peyton?
3. Cap situation was really, really bad?
4. Texans have big plans in free agency. Maybe a surprise like Brandon Carr or Vincent Jackson?
5. Just your average house cleaning for a championship-caliber team?
6. Something else?

Playoffs
03-13-2012, 01:14 AM
Cap situation was that bad, and we have to sign Myers above all else.

TexanBacker93
03-13-2012, 01:16 AM
This is going to be interesting. I figured we were pretty much going to stand pat with the exception of either bringing back Myers and Brisiel or replacing them.

Now...?

I really don't think Manning is going to be here. It would go against (my perception) of every grain of Kubiak's character. He's loyal to his players (although they did just cut Winston and might be cutting Demeco). I think they'll give the ball to Schaub and finish what we were on pace to do last season.

I think Vincent Jackson will cost too much. I just can't see a team try and pay 3 All Pro caliber players at the WR/RB positions.

welsh texan
03-13-2012, 01:18 AM
I'm really, REALLY panicking about this.

I'm down with every move they've made as long as its for the right reasons, those guys all got paid above their production last year regardless of their 'leadership' or whatever.

Its the fact that these moves came in a hurry as soon as the cap was announced to be lower than anyone expected.

Its the fact that you see a lot of other teams cutting their respected vets weeks before FA starts to give them a head start on the rest of the market. Were these moves properly planned?

If they go out in FA and sign a big name or two off the back of this, I'll be happy. If it allows them to resign our important UFA's and bring in lower cost replacements I'll be happy.

If our Draft board just got completely re-shuffled based on need over BPA, I'm thinking Smithiak have 12 months max before they're boarding a plane to Washington. And that would be very bad for our season.

The Cush
03-13-2012, 01:19 AM
Resigning Myers and see you later Briesel and hello Carl Nicks!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding. I'm afraid to wake up tomorrow and see who's still on the team. Tomorrow is going to be crazy

dalemurphy
03-13-2012, 01:22 AM
Resigning Myers and see you later Briesel and hello Carl Nicks!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding. I'm afraid to wake up tomorrow and see who's still on the team. Tomorrow is going to be crazy

at least with Myers, Brisiel, Allen, Mario, Dreessen we have the opportunity to get compensatory picks... Losing Winston, Leinart, Ryans would get us nothing but dead money and hurt feelings. Kinda sucks!

Mr teX
03-13-2012, 01:27 AM
i think they're clearing space for Meyers and Mario. everyone else is replaceable through the draft & FA imo & i think that's what they plan to do.

dalemurphy
03-13-2012, 01:31 AM
i think they're clearing space for Meyers and Mario. everyone else is replaceable through the draft & FA imo & i think that's what they plan to do.

If so, cap situation was worse than I thought.

WolverineFan
03-13-2012, 01:36 AM
I think the cap situation was that bad and we also have to think about resigning guys like Brown, Cushing, and Barwin soon. I think we've cleared enough space to bring back Myers and maybe Dreessen and Brisiel.

For the guys hoping for a big FA move...don't hold your breath. We probably sign a few low-level vets and depth players, but no big fish. The draft will be crucial to filling out the holes in the roster.

Mr teX
03-13-2012, 01:43 AM
i think if the cap was that bad, we would've saw these cuts sooner & maybe they just go ahead and franchise arian. Most people here knew that the cap wasn't going to be raised too much.....so its hard for me to believe that the texans FO didn't have a good idea of where it was likely to be.

As i said before i think they're setting up to go ahead and get Meyers and maybe mario...but more importantly, they're setting up for next year as well.

this is why i said or at least have been thinking that even if they let mario walk, we still likely would've been making some unexpected cuts and or letting some guys walk next year when dealing with Cush, Schaub and Barwin. It's better we go ahead & get out in front of this now & cut guys rather than wait until next year.

TexansSeminole
03-13-2012, 01:44 AM
If so, cap situation was worse than I thought.

Accurate cap numbers are so hard to find. If Spotrac (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/) is correct, the Texans have about 101m on the books for 2012 after cutting Winston and before signing any free agents. That's before you include over 12m in dead money. You would think that Mario would command atleast 12m. The Texans still have to sign a kicker; Niel Rackers made a little over 2m last season. Those numbers, if correct, show that we have to cut additional players in order to resign Myers and get Mario.

Honoring Earl 34
03-13-2012, 01:46 AM
IMO these guys are your core players for the next 2-3 years .

Duane Brown
Chris Myers
Arian Foster
AJ
Cushing
JJ Watt
Conner Barwin
Jonathon Joseph
D. Manning
Antonio Smith
Glover Smith

Bulls on Parade
03-13-2012, 01:49 AM
This is all to re-sign Mario Williams. Heard Rick Smith had good conversations with his agent last night. Let's see what happens today shall we? Mario wants to stay in Houston. I'll tell you that much.

Mr teX
03-13-2012, 01:51 AM
IMO these guys are your core players for the next 2-3 years .

Duane Brown
Chris Myers
Arian Foster
AJ
Cushing
JJ Watt
Conner Barwin
Jonathon Joseph
Mario
Glover Quinn

more like this....if schaub were younger, he'd probably be on this list too.

welsh texan
03-13-2012, 01:53 AM
Maybe they knew they were in some cap trouble but waited it out, until the other day a lot of people seemed the think the cap 'not moving much' would put it at $125-126m maybe, perhaps they had to wait and see exactly what the damage was.

None of the guys cut so far are irreplaceable, you could argue that losing Barwin if we keep hold of Mario wouldn't hurt too much, Brown, Myers and Cushing are all necessities, while they could view Mario as a necessity (although I'd lose him before all the parts around him).

I guess tomorrow will tell. Maybe they do go out and get Manning, its not as if he's used to stellar Oline play anyway. It would certainly be an exciting prospect although I'd have thought Schaub would be the first out the door if that is what they are planning.

Maybe tomorrow we'll see a bunch of these guys resign on more affordable deals, Winston's cost at $5.5 was too high, but his play wasn't exactly damaging.

Rick Smith had better have a plan in place is all I'm saying, he's managed to gain some credibility around he at last but lets not forget what the general consensus opinion on him was 12 months ago.

DocBar
03-13-2012, 02:01 AM
Put me down as thinking the team is clearing cap room to resign key(read NOT necessarily MW)FA's this year and extend key FA's for next year before they get to the FA market. With a big bump expected in cap $$ next season, this would be prudent. We could then be active in FA next season w/o worrying about our own so much.

bckey
03-13-2012, 02:05 AM
Put me down as thinking the team is clearing cap room to resign key(read NOT necessarily MW)FA's this year and extend key FA's for next year before they get to the FA market. With a big bump expected in cap $$ next season, this would be prudent. We could then be active in FA next season w/o worrying about our own so much.


It has been posted on here quite a bit this week that the cap is not increasing in one big bump next year. More of an incremental increase over the next few years.

fiasco west
03-13-2012, 02:23 AM
This is all to re-sign Mario Williams. Heard Rick Smith had good conversations with his agent last night. Let's see what happens today shall we? Mario wants to stay in Houston. I'll tell you that much.

This is my guess.

Just my guess is all because I have no idea what's going on.

Corrosion
03-13-2012, 02:35 AM
No one knows whats going on ..... This from Titter .... errr twitter , Via the Crapical.


JeromeSolomon -I could be wrong (yeah right), but the Texans didn't have to cut @ericwinston to sign Chris Myers. Something else has to be up.




Expected Leinart to be cut.

Expected Foster to get a new deal.

Expect J.Jones to get cut.

Expect Myers to get a new deal .... clocks ticking.

Expected Briesel to be resigned.

Expected them to re-structure Demeco. We have "source" in the other thread saying he will be cut. - its just rumor at this point .... But I could see it happening for obvious reasons - mainly cost vs performance. We'll have to wait and see on this one.

Sure didnt see Winston getting cut but that was a significant savings and if they can replace his production at a savings , its a good move.

I havent heard any news since Fosters deal that I would take seriously , I dont even have the faintest idea what they are up to .... Could be resigning MW , could be they were in worse cap trouble than originally thought , could be they are targeting other teams FA's , there is quite a bit of talent on the open market already.


I aint got a clue .... :thinking:

EVOLVIST
03-13-2012, 03:13 AM
My best guess, off the top of my head?

Clearing space for Meyers & Brisel - Moving Rashad Butler to RT.

Goodbye Joel Dreesen, Hello Garrett Graham (just looking at how much money they make, and since they've been grooming Graham). Don't know much about Graham's blocking, but his pass catching is superb.

Goodbye Mario Williams. There's simply too many people out there who will spend a fortune on him.

Cut - Jacoby Jones.
Cut - Demeco Ryans.
Cut - Dominic Barber
Cut - Derrick Ward.
Cut - Jason Allen.
Cut - Mister Alexander.
Cut - Bryant Johnson.
Cut - Jeff Garcia
Cut - Jake Dellhome

Sign - Neil Rackers
Sign - Matt Turk
Sign - Casey Studdard
Sign - Quentin Demps
Sign - Tim Dobbins
Sign - Tim Bulman

FA - WR
FA - CB

Draft - OLB/WR/OT/ILB/WR/RB/QB

Malloy
03-13-2012, 03:44 AM
1, 3 and a bit of 4 and 6? :)

DonnyMost
03-13-2012, 04:26 AM
Cut - Jacoby Jones.
Cut - Demeco Ryans.
Cut - Dominic Barber
Cut - Derrick Ward.
Cut - Jason Allen.
Cut - Mister Alexander.
Cut - Bryant Johnson.
Cut - Jeff Garcia
Cut - Jake Dellhome

Sign - Neil Rackers
Sign - Matt Turk
Sign - Casey Studdard
Sign - Quentin Demps
Sign - Tim Dobbins
Sign - Tim Gilman



Ryans and Jones are the only two guys you listed that are actually under contract.

Getting rid of Dressen, Ward, Allen, and Delhomme... While resigning Studdard, Turk and Rackers... Talk about failure.

Norg
03-13-2012, 04:50 AM
lets face it in this day of age u only have 3 years to build your team and 5 year window to win a championship

sadly how long has kubs been here like 7 years and sadly our first six years !!!! under kubes we did nothing


Im sorry to say this guyz but IMO Maybe its time do drop all our so called "name" players .. and go into the dreaded "Rebuilding mode"

Expect another 3 year playoff drought starting .... NOW :toropalm:

DocBar
03-13-2012, 05:18 AM
It has been posted on here quite a bit this week that the cap is not increasing in one big bump next year. More of an incremental increase over the next few years.Anything is considered big compared to this year. The scenario I put forth still makes sense even if it's not a "big" increase.

gafftop
03-13-2012, 06:29 AM
If this is all about resigning Mario then either Smith is crazy or McNair is getting involved and Smith has no balls or is crazy also. My perspective on Mario is he cannot stay healthy the whole season. I really cannot comprehend that they would blow up a team that was maybe a healthy QB away from the SB last year just to sign someone that wasn't even on the field most of last year.

If this is because the cap is worse than anybody but the FO knew then Smith has already made a HUGE mistake by keeping Mario last year and not trading so that he could have used the money saved to tie up some of our players last year and on top of that have additional high draft choices this year.

I hope this has to do with clearing cap space to sign some of our players and strengthen areas of need.

Gotta go with the latter but whatever it is going to be a very interesting time.

Does everything, not just the games, get more exciting when your team gets good??? We would never know as Texans fans because this is the first year we have been relevent. If so I sure like being relevent I think.

NastyNate
03-13-2012, 06:30 AM
My best guess, off the top of my head?

Clearing space for Meyers & Brisel - Moving Rashad Butler to RT.

Goodbye Joel Dreesen, Hello Garrett Graham (just looking at how much money they make, and since they've been grooming Graham). Don't know much about Graham's blocking, but his pass catching is superb.

Goodbye Mario Williams. There's simply too many people out there who will spend a fortune on him.

Cut - Jacoby Jones.
Cut - Demeco Ryans.
Cut - Dominic Barber
Cut - Derrick Ward.
Cut - Jason Allen.
Cut - Mister Alexander.
Cut - Bryant Johnson.
Cut - Jeff Garcia
Cut - Jake Dellhome

Sign - Neil Rackers
Sign - Matt Turk
Sign - Casey Studdard
Sign - Quentin Demps
Sign - Tim Dobbins
Sign - Tim Bulman

FA - WR
FA - CB

Draft - OLB/WR/OT/ILB/WR/RB/QB


Almost exactly what I'm thinking although I'd rather cut OD before I lose Dreesen for the price they both command.

Anything is considered big compared to this year. The scenario I put forth still makes sense even if it's not a "big" increase.

8 Million is big?

welsh texan
03-13-2012, 06:54 AM
If this is because the cap is worse than anybody but the FO knew then Smith has already made a HUGE mistake by keeping Mario last year and not trading so that he could have used the money saved to tie up some of our players last year and on top of that have additional high draft choices this year.


I'm thinking if Mario wasn't willing to negotiate with the Texans last year, because he took no signing bonus and that final year was the payout for that, rising his average $ over the course of the contract to a respectable level for a number 1 pick, then why would he have been willing to do that for another team?

Maybe the reason they couldn't shop Mario was because Mario wasn't going to renegotiate his contract just when it was finally paying off for him and no team in their right mind is going to give up picks for a guy who's only contracted for one year.

welsh texan
03-13-2012, 06:59 AM
8 Million is big?

If the cap is rising by an average of 7-9% over the course of the new deal, as announced, then that is around $8-11mill per year.

If it doesn't rise this year, then thats going to have to be put back to future years too, so I wouldn't be shocked to see as much as $12 mill extra next offseason.

Either that, or the players are gonna have to start wondering if they got dicked in the negotiations.

gafftop
03-13-2012, 07:18 AM
I'm thinking if Mario wasn't willing to negotiate with the Texans last year, because he took no signing bonus and that final year was the payout for that, rising his average $ over the course of the contract to a respectable level for a number 1 pick, then why would he have been willing to do that for another team?

Maybe the reason they couldn't shop Mario was because Mario wasn't going to renegotiate his contract just when it was finally paying off for him and no team in their right mind is going to give up picks for a guy who's only contracted for one year.

You know I agree with you that Mario was unwilling to negotiate or the Texans were not sure they wanted to negotiate. Either way at that point the FO should have realized what the situation with Mario was going to be this year and done EVERYTHING to get rid of him for the GOOD of the team long term. (I posted this back in April of 2011 so this is not after the fact QB'ing.) Even if that meant paying some of his contract to trade him. If that had been done maybe Myers or someone else would already be signed or at the bare minimum we would have additional high draft choices.. The kicker is that Smithiak were under pressure to keep their jobs last year. Easy for me as an outsider to make the decision last year to get rid of Mario because my job was not on the line, I guess.

Lucky
03-13-2012, 07:30 AM
Even if that meant paying some of his contract to trade him.
This is the NFL, not MLB. Teams can't pay a portion of a traded player's contract. It's been explained to you how difficult it would have been to trade Williams and his expiring contract. You don't seem to grasp that.

edo783
03-13-2012, 07:43 AM
Something that MAY help us is if I am not mistaken a bunch of dead money drops off the CAP number for us this month. Just not sure what day it happens, but I think it is the 18th. That should open up some cap room also.

Playoffs
03-13-2012, 09:21 AM
Im sorry to say this guyz but IMO Maybe its time do drop all our so called "name" players .. and go into the dreaded "Rebuilding mode"Deeper breaths. You're not getting enough oxygen to your ... brain(?).

Maddict5
03-13-2012, 10:52 AM
umm... wtf is going on with the server or is it just me that hasnt been able to get on for the last hr or 2?

welsh texan
03-13-2012, 10:55 AM
umm... wtf is going on with the server or is it just me that hasnt been able to get on for the last hr or 2?

Yeh I was struggling too, suddenly thought something HUGE had happened and even made the mistake of checking the official board for any news. Then my brain began to hurt a little on reading :rake:

Ole Miss Texan
03-13-2012, 10:57 AM
umm... wtf is going on with the server or is it just me that hasnt been able to get on for the last hr or 2?
Good, it wasn't just me. Thought my work banned me from this site for a second! haha

I don't know what's going on this offseason but I love it. I like how the Texans operate in their own CIA-clandestine way. It's like the girl that plays hard-to-get. I keep checking back to see what's happend.

All I know is it better be big. I really really believe we're going to re-sign Mario and Myers from all this. And the more time that goes on the more I want Peyton Manning (+ Wayne). I'd hate to get rid of Schaub b/c I really like him but we'd have to try and trade him.

GP
03-13-2012, 10:58 AM
Yeh I was struggling too, suddenly thought something HUGE had happened and even made the mistake of checking the official board for any news. Then my brain began to hurt a little on reading :rake:

I tried reading the main board too.

Couldn't stomach it. It was like reading a 3rd grade newsletter. Geez that place is a piece of work.

The1ApplePie
03-13-2012, 11:00 AM
I really hope this isn't an effort to free up cap space to sign Matt Flynn, Kyle Orton, or something off the wall:toropalm:

No way in hell does Mario deserve the contract he's going to get on the open market or from the Texans. An injury-prone player that just missed an entire season due to injury should be getting the biggest contract ever. Not a great fit for the 3-4 either.

ckhouston
03-13-2012, 11:02 AM
Getting rid of Dressen, Ward, Allen, and Delhomme... While resigning Studdard, Turk and Rackers... Talk about failure.

Dreesen will probably get an offer we cant match to be a #1 somewhere else. We cant overpay for a number two TE, especially when we have Casey and Graham to take his place. Ward and Allen are gone. Delhomme retired. We do need to keep Rackers since there arent any better options out there right now. Turk will be until the suspension is lifted from Hartmann, and Studdard is depth if he is cheap, otherwise gone.

ckhouston
03-13-2012, 11:05 AM
I really hope this isn't an effort to free up cap space to sign Matt Flynn, Kyle Orton, or something off the wall:toropalm:

No way in hell does Mario deserve the contract he's going to get on the open market or from the Texans. An injury-prone player that just missed an entire season due to injury should be getting the biggest contract ever. Not a great fit for the 3-4 either.

Kyle Orton? No way. Flynn, I don't know. He to me could be the next Schaub or Kolb. Couple of good games as back-ups but never turn into elite starters. As far as Mario not being a fit for the 3-4, if we did this to keep him ... then Wade wants him that bad, and if Wade says he is the real deal, he is.

HoustonFrog
03-13-2012, 11:14 AM
This is all to re-sign Mario Williams. Heard Rick Smith had good conversations with his agent last night. Let's see what happens today shall we? Mario wants to stay in Houston. I'll tell you that much.

Think this is a horrible move. Why would you clear out so many core guys to create space for a guy that was shown to not be as valuable last season with the emergence of other players. If it is to clear cap space for Myers, Brissel and some others, I get it. But for Mario..not a good move.

EVOLVIST
03-13-2012, 11:19 AM
Originally Posted by EVOLVIST
Cut - Jacoby Jones.
Cut - Demeco Ryans.
Cut - Dominic Barber
Cut - Derrick Ward.
Cut - Jason Allen.
Cut - Mister Alexander.
Cut - Bryant Johnson.
Cut - Jeff Garcia
Cut - Jake Dellhome

Sign - Neil Rackers
Sign - Matt Turk
Sign - Casey Studdard
Sign - Quentin Demps
Sign - Tim Dobbins
Sign - Tim Gilman


Ryans and Jones are the only two guys you listed that are actually under contract.

Getting rid of Dressen, Ward, Allen, and Delhomme... While resigning Studdard, Turk and Rackers... Talk about failure.

Personally, I don't want to see Demeco go, and perhaps I got caught up in last night's furor, which could have prompted that. We're talking about a guy who could restructure.

Otherwise, my guess at what's going to happen stands.

Dreesen = Gone, because you have Graham and Casey on roster.

Ward = Gone, because you have Foster, Tate and Williams already on roster and can draft a late round RB on the cheap. But in all fairness we could come to terms with Ward for the vet minimum, I bet...or we can pay half that for Williams who will only get 40 carries all year and a new guy on the PS.

Allen & Barber = Gone, because you want some money to pick up the aforementioned FA-CB, a Carlos Rodgers, Terrell Thomas, Lardarius Webb or the like.

Dellhomme = Gone, because he's on the books for 3mil, and I don't see how he'll come back for the vet minimum, so you you draft a late round QB who will probably never see the field.

Studdard - You need that vet guard who knows the ZBS. That's at a premium right now. I don't want to go into the season with just Shelly Smith, Andrew Gardner and a few rooks.

Rackers - It don't have to be him, but we need a kicker.

Turk - You have to have a punter until Hartmann finishes his meth rehab.

Ole Miss Texan
03-13-2012, 11:20 AM
Dreesen will probably get an offer we cant match to be a #1 somewhere else. We cant overpay for a number two TE, especially when we have Casey and Graham to take his place. Ward and Allen are gone. Delhomme retired. We do need to keep Rackers since there arent any better options out there right now. Turk will be until the suspension is lifted from Hartmann, and Studdard is depth if he is cheap, otherwise gone.

I think they find a way to keep Dreesen. I can see OD being a cap casualty next year when we work on re-signing Duane Brown, Connor Barwin and (possibly) Matt Schaub. Next year we'd have Dreesen, Casey and Graham as our top 3. Just throwing some thoughts out there.

SheTexan
03-13-2012, 11:41 AM
umm... wtf is going on with the server or is it just me that hasnt been able to get on for the last hr or 2?

I figured all the BS that's been spewed on this board the past 24 hrs just finally blew the damn thing up!! :bomb:

It's taken Kubiak six years to build a team that is beginning to gel. A team with attitude, dedication, conviction, and belief that they are truly right on the verge of becoming a team with one goal in mind, to win the SB! Many articles have been written about our Oline, and how well they are playing as a unit. Winston received more votes then any RT in the NFL to go to the ProBowl, and has been a constant leader both for the team and the Community. He was willing to restructure his contract, but, the Texans didn't ask him, they just cut him. HOPEFULLY, he will be resigned, because I think the continued success of our Oline depends on it. There had to be other ways to salvage money than to cut Eric! I don't understand this move at all.

You want the team to develope a "I dont' give a ****" attitude? Let them cut Demeco Ryans, esp right now when we're on the verge of becoming an elite team. He has been the heart and soul of our D almost since the beginning, has restructured his contract before, has been a leader both on the field and off, and I don't know of ONE fan who does not want to see him stand on that stage and hold up that Lombardi with AJ!! I pray to God above that the possibility of cutting Meco is just a RUMOR, because I just can't imagine going to the SB without him! Yes, I'm a sentimental old fool!

As a diehard football fan, I simply HATE this time of year!!

thunderkyss
03-13-2012, 12:14 PM
....maybe Myers or someone else would already be signed or at the bare minimum we would have additional high draft choices.. The kicker is that Smithiak were under pressure to keep their jobs last year. Easy for me as an outsider to make the decision last year to get rid of Mario because my job was not on the line, I guess.

My opinion, is that the Texans were caught with their pants down. I think the plan all along was to retain our players, including Mario & Winston. However, their plan to do so was based on assumptions that did not pan out.

I'm sure they did not expect the salary cap to go down after the uncapped year. & it appears they were expecting it to increase in 2012, which it did not.

michaelm
03-13-2012, 12:22 PM
My opinion, is that the Texans were caught with their pants down. I think the plan all along was to retain our players, including Mario & Winston. However, their plan to do so was based on assumptions that did not pan out.

I'm sure they did not expect the salary cap to go down after the uncapped year. & it appears they were expecting it to increase in 2012, which it did not.


I'm not buying the idea that they got caught with their pants down.
I will assume that they had contingencies in place for an increased cap, and also for a cap at last year's level. They obviously had to wait to see what the official cap level was before pulling the trigger on one of their contingencies.

michaelm
03-13-2012, 12:24 PM
from Twitter

@LanceZierlein: According to source close to Texans, there appears to have been a shift in there FA strategy over the last 3-5 days. Something big coming?

@LanceZierlein: I'm hearing the Texans are not close to a deal with Chris Myers or Mike Brisiel so I don't think Winston was cut in order to fit them in.

@JeromeSolomon: Texans must be clearing space for something.

HoustonFrog
03-13-2012, 12:25 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/LanceZierlein

LanceZierlein Lance Zierlein
I'm hearing the Texans are not close to a deal with Chris Myers or Mike Brisiel so I don't think Winston was cut in order to fit them in.
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

LanceZierlein Lance Zierlein
According to source close to Texans, there appears to have been a shift in there FA strategy over the last 3-5 days. Something big coming?
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Beat me Michael :)

houstonspartan
03-13-2012, 12:26 PM
I think something massive is about to go down. I think all of these cuts were to resign Mario and Myers, yes, but they appear to be going on a major cap clearing housecleaning.

They're planning something bigger.

Texan_Bill
03-13-2012, 12:27 PM
Re: So... WTF is going on?


Well, it's a little slow in the office. I'm trying to figure out what I want for lunch and even thinking ahead for dinner. I may just have a liquid dinner. :kitten:

skenney_11
03-13-2012, 12:28 PM
from Twitter

Didn't peyton become a free agent 3-5 days ago? This is becoming interesting

b0ng
03-13-2012, 12:31 PM
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. . .

ckhouston
03-13-2012, 12:33 PM
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. . .

We need to get these people to a hospital.

What is it?

Its a large building with doctors and patients, but that's not important right now.

Thorn
03-13-2012, 12:34 PM
Surely you don't mean that.

HOU-TEX
03-13-2012, 12:35 PM
So much for not fixing what isn't broke. :shrug:

b0ng
03-13-2012, 12:35 PM
Surely you don't mean that.

Of course I do.

And don't call me "Shirley".

Kimmy
03-13-2012, 12:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UET-3SZbnkk&feature=related

This came to mind as soon as I read this thread title

Thorn
03-13-2012, 12:38 PM
Rick Smith: There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your free agent day. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to manage an NFL team?

HoustonFrog
03-13-2012, 12:39 PM
LZ just also stated he is having doubts about resigning Myers so he is asking would you be OK resigning Mario if you lose your C, RT and G? What about if it was for Wallace at WR or another big name?

LanceZierlein Lance Zierlein
For the first time this offseason, I'm starting to have my doubts that the Texans will be able to bring Chris Myers back at center next year
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thunderkyss
03-13-2012, 12:41 PM
I think something massive is about to go down. I think all of these cuts were to resign Mario and Myers, yes, but they appear to be going on a major cap clearing housecleaning.

They're planning something bigger.

What could it possibly be?

I'm not seeing anything out there that would justify possibly losing 3/5ths of your offensive line.

Peyton Manning???? psssshhh I love Manning, but I don't think so.

Some kind of trade? We're unloading all our capital.

DonnyMost
03-13-2012, 12:41 PM
Personally, I don't want to see Demeco go, and perhaps I got caught up in last night's furor, which could have prompted that. We're talking about a guy who could restructure.

Otherwise, my guess at what's going to happen stands.

Dreesen = Gone, because you have Graham and Casey on roster.

Ward = Gone, because you have Foster, Tate and Williams already on roster and can draft a late round RB on the cheap. But in all fairness we could come to terms with Ward for the vet minimum, I bet...or we can pay half that for Williams who will only get 40 carries all year and a new guy on the PS.

Allen & Barber = Gone, because you want some money to pick up the aforementioned FA-CB, a Carlos Rodgers, Terrell Thomas, Lardarius Webb or the like.

Dellhomme = Gone, because he's on the books for 3mil, and I don't see how he'll come back for the vet minimum, so you you draft a late round QB who will probably never see the field.

Studdard - You need that vet guard who knows the ZBS. That's at a premium right now. I don't want to go into the season with just Shelly Smith, Andrew Gardner and a few rooks.

Rackers - It don't have to be him, but we need a kicker.

Turk - You have to have a punter until Hartmann finishes his meth rehab.

1) Demeco cannot be restructured, there is no soft spot on his contract to push the money to. He has to take a pay cut.

2) Dreessen will not leave because of what we have behind him, he'll leave because of what other teams may offer him. Graham has shown nothing, unlike the replacements for Winston/Demeco. And we often utilize 2 TE sets, and Casey seems locked into FB now that Vickers is gone.

3) Williams who? Ward will leave because of what he gets in FA, not because of what we have waiting behind him, same with Dreessen. The Texans are a RBBC team if there ever was one, we need quality depth here.

4) Barber I agree with, but Allen will likely stick around. We do not have any money to land a free agent DB. Especially one that is significantly better than Allen.

5) Where do you get that Delhomme is "on the books" for anything? He's a UFA, is he not? What was the value of the 1 year deal he signed with us last year?

6) Studdard has been a lame duck for years now. He has never proven himself worthy as a starter, and he's spent more time on crutches than in cleats. If he comes cheap, I'll be ok with it. But being "familiar" with the ZBS will only get you so far.

7) Rackers was erratic and a major problem last year. I don't want him on the roster again.

8) Turk was one of the worst punters in the NFL the last few years and we signed him out of desperation. It will be a sad state of affairs if he is the best stop-gap we can come up with.

b0ng
03-13-2012, 12:41 PM
LZ just also stated he is having doubts about resigning Myers so he is asking would you be OK resigning Mario if you lose your C, RT and G? What about if it was for Wallace at WR or another big name?

Losing 3/5's of your starting Oline seems like a bad deal no matter how you slice it.

Texan_Bill
03-13-2012, 12:45 PM
LZ just also stated he is having doubts about resigning Myers so he is asking would you be OK resigning Mario if you lose your C, RT and G? What about if it was for Wallace at WR or another big name?

My response to LZ:

@LanceZierlein Not NO But EF no! I tweeted @SeanCablinasian that Smith could potentially lose 60% of the Oline! "That ain't funny!" ~Bum

Playoffs
03-13-2012, 12:47 PM
LZ just also stated he is having doubts about resigning Myers so he is asking would you be OK resigning Mario if you lose your C, RT and G? What about if it was for Wallace at WR or another big name?
No!!!

No O-line, no offense, no wins, no more playoffs. You can't just pull guys off the street for ZBS.

I've said it, will say it again: lose Myers and we're sunk. Myers>Mario.


This is starting to look like Black Tuesday, and I'm starting to get pi$$ed. http://assets1.lfcimages.com/lfc_forums_assets_images/smilies/angry2.gif

b0ng
03-13-2012, 12:47 PM
My response to LZ:

Oh my god somebody convinced the old man to get on twitter

HoustonFrog
03-13-2012, 12:50 PM
My response to LZ:

Nice. I love following those guys!Good info and funny.

steelbtexan
03-13-2012, 12:51 PM
Could it be the Colts quartet are about to become Texans?

Manning/Saturday/Wayne/Clark

b0ng
03-13-2012, 12:54 PM
Could it be the Colts quartet are about to become Texans?

Manning/Saturday/Wayne/Clark

I seriously doubt that.

Something to think about though for you guys worried about Oline (me being one of them): Go back and look at how much turnover DEN had on the Oline during the 90's runs they had to the SB. May be a little fortune telling from the past.

Playoffs
03-13-2012, 12:57 PM
Could it be the Colts quartet are about to become Texans?

Manning/Saturday/Wayne/ClarkManning isn't coming here, but he certainly wouldn't with an o-line in flux. He wants to win.

HoustonFrog
03-13-2012, 12:58 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Despite speculation that Houston still could make a run at Peyton Manning, the Texans have no plans to pursue the free-agent QB.
12 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

thunderkyss
03-13-2012, 01:04 PM
So what's up with our cap situation?

If we were going to free up $30M just by dropping our UFA contracts, why are we cutting Vickers & Winston to free up money?

b0ng
03-13-2012, 01:06 PM
So what's up with our cap situation?

If we were going to free up $30M just by dropping our UFA contracts, why are we cutting Vickers & Winston to free up money?

If you believed Florio, we were $4 - $5m over the cap a few days ago. If you believed Jason LaCanfora we were $650k under the cap before cutting Winston/Leinart/Vickers and re-structuring Andre.

Basically nobody knows.

EDIT: Also don't forget to add in the $1.6m from Cowboy/Redskins budgets.

Rey
03-13-2012, 01:27 PM
No!!!

No O-line, no offense, no wins, no more playoffs. You can't just pull guys off the street for ZBS.

I've said it, will say it again: lose Myers and we're sunk. Myers>Mario.


This is starting to look like Black Tuesday, and I'm starting to get pi$$ed. http://assets1.lfcimages.com/lfc_forums_assets_images/smilies/angry2.gif

I disagree with that wholeheartedly and I am not sure why people have this perception.

Mario is better than Meyers and it's not even close. Mario helps a team out more than Meyers and it's not even close.

If I'm the Texans I'd re-sign Briesel and let Meyers walk. He is probably going to get a good chunk of change and he's not worth that. He's really an above average center that found a good niche here in Houston.

Briesel is not going to sign for as much and he is just as good as Myers and maybe a little bit better at some things.

badboy
03-13-2012, 01:27 PM
If the cap is rising by an average of 7-9% over the course of the new deal, as announced, then that is around $8-11mill per year.

If it doesn't rise this year, then thats going to have to be put back to future years too, so I wouldn't be shocked to see as much as $12 mill extra next offseason.

Either that, or the players are gonna have to start wondering if they got dicked in the negotiations.New TV deal goes into effect 2014 season.

Rey
03-13-2012, 01:28 PM
Manning isn't coming here, but he certainly wouldn't with an o-line in flux. He wants to win.

So you're estimation is that we are not going to win next year because Winston has been cut, and Meyers and Briesel are in limbo?

Sucks for Schaub.

Grams
03-13-2012, 02:10 PM
So what's up with our cap situation?

If we were going to free up $30M just by dropping our UFA contracts, why are we cutting Vickers & Winston to free up money?

Because we are probably not freeing up 30M in cap space as of 3PM this afternoon. We still need some room to sign the UFA's we will need to replace ours that will be gone.

RagingBull
03-13-2012, 02:23 PM
I think maybe Smith is trying to have enough cap room for both Schaub and Manning, so he can keep Schaub around until someone elses QB1 gets hurt and then trade him when his value is high like the Bengals did with Palmer.

Texan_Bill
03-13-2012, 02:26 PM
Oh my god somebody convinced the old man to get on twitter

6200 tweets! ;)

Ole Miss Texan
03-13-2012, 02:36 PM
I think maybe Smith is trying to have enough cap room for both Schaub and Manning, so he can keep Schaub around until someone elses QB1 gets hurt and then trade him when his value is high like the Bengals did with Palmer.
That is SO crazy it just might work. lol.

- Start the season with Manning, Schaub and Yates.
- Manning's contract is payable so long as he's on the roster, if he's not good to go and we cut him, we don't have a significant cap hit.
- Plan is for Manning to start season, Schaub continue getting healthy.
- Manning goes down, we have Schaub.
- Schaub is not ready, we have Manning.
- Neither Manning nor Schaub are good - we're back to TJ + picking up guys like Delhomme.
- Both Manning and Schaub healthy, some team WILL call for a trade and Schaub's trade value would be higher than it is right now.

Like I said. That is so crazy... it just might work. :)

GP
03-13-2012, 02:39 PM
I'm thinking we're dropping players we think can be replaced...cheaper.

Agents of our remaining UFAs will see if their guys can get better offers elsewhere....but probably end up taking the Texans' offer (the majority of them, at least) because we're a better team and these guys might not even get much more of a bump in pay from other teams. I mean, what team is going to pay Rackers more than we will?

We're going to try and re-sign as many of our own UFAs as we can. The cuts were to free up cash to make legitimate offers to the remaining UFAs.

This is touch-and-go. Never know if some team might over-pay a guy like Dreessen or not. Everybody wants to test the waters.

Dutchrudder
03-13-2012, 02:39 PM
That is SO crazy it just might work. lol.

- Start the season with Manning, Schaub and Yates.
- Manning's contract is payable so long as he's on the roster, if he's not good to go and we cut him, we don't have a significant cap hit.
- Plan is for Manning to start season, Schaub continue getting healthy.
- Manning goes down, we have Schaub.
- Schaub is not ready, we have Manning.
- Neither Manning nor Schaub are good - we're back to TJ + picking up guys like Delhomme.
- Both Manning and Schaub healthy, some team WILL call for a trade and Schaub's trade value would be higher than it is right now.

Like I said. That is so crazy... it just might work. :)

If that's the plan, I'm on board. If there is no plan, and it's all just wishful thinking, then I'll be angry...

I just get this feeling that we're going to end up signing some leftover guys next week to fill holes and then continue to "build through the draft".

GP
03-13-2012, 02:45 PM
Just a What If here....

Maybe Bob hasn't had Manning in for an official visit because it would just make desperate teams like Denver raise the price on Manning out of knowledge that Houston is in the mix?

What if that's why Bud Adams threw his middle finger into the ring...only because he knows the Texans are legitimately going after #18? The guy hates us so bad, I think he'd pull that stunt if only to get at us.

I still think we're merely freeing up space to add our own UFAs if we can...or replace the ones that leave.

RagingBull
03-13-2012, 02:46 PM
I guess the alternative explanation is that the Texans "won their superbowl" by getting into the playoffs and are blowing up the team Marlins-style....


:gamer:

The1ApplePie
03-13-2012, 02:49 PM
Kolb
Cassel
Flynn
Tebow:pirate:

I can see whomever get's screwed by Manning heading this way.

Dutchrudder
03-13-2012, 02:51 PM
Kolb
Cassel
Flynn
Tebow:pirate:

I can see whomever get's screwed by Manning heading this way.

If we get Tebow, I quit being a Texans fan. Same goes for the Browns.

RagingBull
03-13-2012, 02:56 PM
If we get Tebow, I quit being a Texans fan. Same goes for the Browns.

Gary would just convert him to a tight end...

Playoffs
03-13-2012, 02:57 PM
Only thing I can think of is Texans are taking calculated risks that some of these players will be back...

That the market is very thin because so many teams are up against the salary cap.

Add in specialist O-lineman that might appeal only to a few teams, and maybe they think they're forcing the hand of only one or two teams who have cap room and have prioritized one of our FAs at the top of their list???

Washington, for instance, may not be able to compete for Myers because they're up against the cap and just informed of massive loss in cap allowance for this year???

Just thinking out loud here...

Kthx
03-13-2012, 03:01 PM
Hmm Dallas releasing Newman, wouldn't mind taking a stab at that.

Blake
03-13-2012, 03:01 PM
If we get Tebow, I quit being a Texans fan. Same goes for the Browns.

I am no Tebow "fan", but when did getting a football player who does and says the right things, stays out of trouble, gives back to the community, and is physically gifted be considered franchise hari kari?

infantrycak
03-13-2012, 03:04 PM
Washington, for instance, may not be able to compete for Myers because they're up against the cap and just informed of massive loss in cap allowance for this year???

Just thinking out loud here...

Washington just signed Will Montgomery to a four year deal to be their center.

Dutchrudder
03-13-2012, 03:04 PM
I am no Tebow "fan", but when did getting a football player who does and says the right things, stays out of trouble, gives back to the community, and is physically gifted be considered franchise hari kari?

The dude is a joke of passer. TJ Yates is more fit to be a QB than Tebow ever will be. I don't care what he does off the field, good or bad, I just don't want him and the media circus on my teams. Send him to Florida where he belongs.

Blake
03-13-2012, 03:09 PM
The dude is a joke of passer. TJ Yates is more fit to be a QB than Tebow ever will be. I don't care what he does off the field, good or bad, I just don't want him and the media circus on my teams. Send him to Florida where he belongs.

Let me make myself clear. I assumed Kubiak would use him in a FB James Casey role. Not a QB since we already have one.

Maybe a couple trick plays or wildcat formations. That is all.

HoustonFrog
03-13-2012, 03:17 PM
Hmm Dallas releasing Newman, wouldn't mind taking a stab at that.

You don't want him...attitude, me first, hurt constantly....just say no. I'm happy they got rid of him and they need CBs

Kthx
03-13-2012, 03:18 PM
I hear ya, guy can play though.

The Medic01
03-13-2012, 03:20 PM
You wanna know WTF is going on. We are watching our Oline the most important unit on the team fall apart in two days.

Errant Hothy
03-13-2012, 03:31 PM
You don't want him...attitude, me first, hurt constantly....just say no. I'm happy they got rid of him and they need CBs

Add to that the inability, coupled with no desire when it comes, to tackling.

The1ApplePie
03-13-2012, 03:35 PM
Hmm Dallas releasing Newman, wouldn't mind taking a stab at that.

Newman's best years are behind him and those weren't great. Without Henry on the other side or Roy horsecollaring fools into oblivion, he just wasn't that good.

The1ApplePie
03-13-2012, 03:37 PM
If we get Tebow, I quit being a Texans fan. Same goes for the Browns.

Not a Tebow fan either.

Orton or a retread of the Sex Cannon have a good chance of coming here I think

majestrate
03-13-2012, 03:42 PM
You wanna know WTF is going on. We are watching our Oline the most important unit on the team fall apart in two days.
I'm not a Kubes fan, I'm actually very much in favor of letting him go and getting someone else in.

That said, I still trust that he, and the front office, have a plan. One that does not regress the team, especially since the 2012 season is his contract year.

Thorn
03-13-2012, 03:45 PM
Well, in 15 minutes the maddness officially begins.

Mr teX
03-13-2012, 03:49 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter

mods, please post this tweet by shefter on the main page of the message board so that people can quit talking about this :toropalm:

HOU-TEX
03-13-2012, 03:49 PM
Well, in 15 minutes the maddness officially begins.

I don't expect a lot to happen from our end. I reckon we'll wait for Myers and Brisiel to see what their market value is before gettin serious with them. Mario is the big ? for me. Will he bail? Or stay? I think he might stay

The Cush
03-13-2012, 03:49 PM
I'm getting worried about how much we actually have to spend. La Confora on NFL network said about an hour ago the Texans are only 650,000 under the cap. Myers and Williams could have already pretty much priced their way out, who knows how much Brisiel wants. If the whole right side walks, I can see our draft going 1st - Center/Tackle, 2nd - WR, 3rd - Tackle. We could very much be looking at someone like Peter Konz starting at center, Caldwell at RG, and Butler at RT.

rockabilly
03-13-2012, 03:50 PM
Anybody think we are just trying to trade Mario?

The Cush
03-13-2012, 03:51 PM
Anybody think we are just trying to trade Mario?

How? He's not under contract. He can go out and make more money by just signing with someone else

WolverineFan
03-13-2012, 03:51 PM
Anybody think we are just trying to trade Mario?

You can't trade an UFA.

Playoffs
03-13-2012, 03:54 PM
...Peter Konz starting at center, Caldwell at RG, and Butler at RT.And that kind of inexperience doesn't get you to the SB, especially at C.

Mr teX
03-13-2012, 03:54 PM
Anybody think we are just trying to trade Mario?

noone's stupid enough to trade for a guy that's going to be a FA in 15 minutes

The Cush
03-13-2012, 03:56 PM
And that kind of inexperience doesn't get you to the SB, especially at C.

I know, that's why I'm worried.

rockabilly
03-13-2012, 03:56 PM
noone's stupid enough to trade for a guy that's going to be a FA in 15 minutes

Oh, I didn't know you couldn't trade an UFA. Well my logic was that if he was a high commodity, a team may be willing to trade so that another team doesn't get him.

The Cush
03-13-2012, 03:57 PM
Oh, I didn't know you couldn't trade an UFA. Well my logic was that if he was a high commodity, a team may be willing to trade so that another team doesn't get him.

Sign and trades don't exist in the NFL like they do in the NBA.

TheDrifter
03-13-2012, 03:58 PM
noone's stupid enough to trade for a guy that's going to be a FA in 15 minutes

...Al Davis?




DANGIT!

fiasco west
03-13-2012, 04:01 PM
I'm getting worried about how much we actually have to spend. La Confora on NFL network said about an hour ago the Texans are only 650,000 under the cap. Myers and Williams could have already pretty much priced their way out, who knows how much Brisiel wants. If the whole right side walks, I can see our draft going 1st - Center/Tackle, 2nd - WR, 3rd - Tackle. We could very much be looking at someone like Peter Konz starting at center, Caldwell at RG, and Butler at RT.

If so ouch.

Texans will be right back where they were...relying on rookies to start in key positions...

The Cush
03-13-2012, 04:04 PM
If so ouch.

Texans will be right back where they were...relying on rookies to start in key positions...

I don't know how accurate that is. Hopefully he forgot to take into account the cuts and Andre's restructuring or we are pretty much screwed.

The1ApplePie
03-13-2012, 04:08 PM
If so ouch.

Texans will be right back where they were...relying on rookies to start in key positions...

Who the hell are the Texans paying that money to?:thinking:

Ole Miss Texan
03-13-2012, 04:09 PM
I don't know how accurate that is. Hopefully he forgot to take into account the cuts and Andre's restructuring or we are pretty much screwed.

I don't see how that's possible. It HAS to include Mario's figure or something... There's no way in hell we're already at the cap AFTER losing Mario, Myers, Brisiel, etc.

chicagotexan2
03-13-2012, 04:11 PM
The witching hour has arrived. I truly hope we shore up the oline. Having Mario would be nice but not at a high price especially after the d played w/o him.

michaelm
03-13-2012, 04:38 PM
Isn't it about time for McClain to tweet that free agency just started???

HOU-TEX
03-13-2012, 04:40 PM
Isn't it about time for McClain to tweet that free agency just started???

lol. He can't until he wipes the McDonalds "special sauce" off his hands

fiasco west
03-13-2012, 04:54 PM
I wonder if it is good news that we've not heard if Myers has visited anywhere yet?

Playoffs
03-13-2012, 05:05 PM
Isn't it about time for McClain to tweet that free agency just started???lol. He can't until he wipes the McDonalds "special sauce" off his handsAnd catches up to Daylight Savings Time.

Ole Miss Texan
03-13-2012, 05:11 PM
I wonder if it is good news that we've not heard if Myers has visited anywhere yet?
Hopefully he's not on the same flight as Winston down to Miami. Both Hurricanes and familiar with the Miami area. I have no idea what their center situation is.

It's weird though. Of all our free agents, I feel the most confident in Myers to re-sign with us. Don't know why, but I think Kubiak is gonna be doing everything he can to keep him here.

steelbtexan
03-13-2012, 05:12 PM
If that's the plan, I'm on board. If there is no plan, and it's all just wishful thinking, then I'll be angry...

I just get this feeling that we're going to end up signing some leftover guys next week to fill holes and then continue to "build through the draft".

Agreed

DerekLee1
03-13-2012, 05:14 PM
If so ouch.

Texans will be right back where they were...relying on rookies to start in key positions...

Except in a division where every other team is in far worse shape than us. If we're going to have a big changing of the guard in non-skill positions, now is the time to do it. You can still win the division the next couple of seasons while developing rookies and getting yourself out of salary cap hell.

ckhouston
03-13-2012, 05:15 PM
lol. He can't until he wipes the McDonalds "special sauce" off his hands

That special sauce isn't from Mickey D's ... hes just real happy FA is here. :yikes:

michaelm
03-13-2012, 05:16 PM
That special sauce isn't from Mickey D's ... hes just real happy FA is here. :yikes:

You will NEVER be forgiven! yack!

steelbtexan
03-13-2012, 05:22 PM
And that kind of inexperience doesn't get you to the SB, especially at C.
















Caldwell yr 3? Suck, yes inexperienced no.

Butler into yr 4?

Butler will do fine in Winstons place and either Myers or Briesel will be re-signed. If Myers leaves I could see Kontz at 26.

thunderkyss
03-13-2012, 05:46 PM
Except in a division where every other team is in far worse shape than us. If we're going to have a big changing of the guard in non-skill positions, now is the time to do it. You can still win the division the next couple of seasons while developing rookies and getting yourself out of salary cap hell.

I thought the general consensus around here, was that only the Texans take longer than 2 years to turn things around. The Titans & the Jags are at least 2 years into their rebuild.

HoustonFrog
03-13-2012, 06:32 PM
From what I'm reading there may not be some grand plan. The Texans may have just had cap issues and needed less expensive replacements so can sign guys next year.

J_R
03-13-2012, 06:42 PM
What's going on? From when Bob was on 610, I took away that they'll let all their FA's test the market and hope they'll come back to them to match or give a comparable offer.

DerekLee1
03-13-2012, 06:46 PM
What's going on? From when Bob was on 610, I took away that they'll let all their FA's test the market and hope they'll come back to them to match or give a comparable offer.

They can't put themselves in cap hell with key components like Schaub, Barwin and D Brown due up next year. They have to let the market set itself and sign what they can afford. It sucks, but it's life in the salary cap era.

It's the first time I've ever despised the premise of a salary cap.

DX-TEX
03-13-2012, 06:51 PM
OMG I feel 6-10 coming on......:toropalm:

Pantherstang84
03-13-2012, 06:52 PM
OMG I feel 6-10 coming on......:toropalm:

There is always the Dynamos for ya. Hey they are even opening a new stadium this year.

Texn4life
03-13-2012, 06:52 PM
What's going on? From when Bob was on 610, I took away that they'll let all their FA's test the market and hope they'll come back to them to match or give a comparable offer.

That's pretty much what it looks like is going to happen. "Go out there and get your offers, and please just come back to us and give us a chance to give you something comparable."

Doesn't look too promising JR.

Dutchrudder
03-13-2012, 06:52 PM
OMG I feel 6-10 coming on......:toropalm:

Quick, change it to 7-90!

Norg
03-13-2012, 07:05 PM
sports radio 6-10 ?????? :user:

DX-TEX
03-13-2012, 07:07 PM
sports radio 6-10 ?????? :user:

6 wins 10 losses.

redwhiteblue
03-13-2012, 07:07 PM
And that kind of inexperience doesn't get you to the SB, especially at C.

Steelers made it to the Super Bowl with a rookie Center, Maurkice Pouncey

Rey
03-13-2012, 07:12 PM
I don't like Peter Konz...

I like Zeitler much better...

False Start
03-14-2012, 08:21 PM
#Texans RT @DerrickWard32: 2 all my fans out there in Houston not up 2 me 2 stay in Houston. If the Texans want me back they'll call if not it was fun while it lasted!

D Ward's tweet about being back with the Texans.

GP
03-15-2012, 12:03 AM
D Ward's tweet about being back with the Texans.

#Texans RT @DerrickWard32: 2 all my fans out there in Houston not up 2 me 2 stay in Houston. If the Texans want me back they'll call if not it was fun while it lasted!

Hmmm....

So would this mean he doesn't have ANY contract prospects with any other team, or does this mean he might have an offer from another team but wants to wait and see if Texans can match or exceed it? Or does it mean he has nothing from any teams?

thunderkyss
03-15-2012, 08:11 AM
Hmmm....

So would this mean he doesn't have ANY contract prospects with any other team, or does this mean he might have an offer from another team but wants to wait and see if Texans can match or exceed it? Or does it mean he has nothing from any teams?

I seriously doubt he'll be waiting on the Texans, he's looking for a place where he'll have a shot at getting on the field. Right now, he's the third down back in a one back offense.

I'd bet he'd jump at the opportunity to compete for a primary back-up job, or a third back in a RBBC offense.

Thorn
03-15-2012, 08:16 AM
D. Ward has enough juice left in him so that he will not be unemployeed this season. He'd make some teams a fine number 2 back, let alone someone's number 3 and insurance policy.

welsh texan
03-15-2012, 09:00 AM
D. Ward has enough juice left in him so that he will not be unemployeed this season. He'd make some teams a fine number 2 back, let alone someone's number 3 and insurance policy.

D. Ward may just have been the strongest player on our team by roster spot last season. Not many teams could name someone as good as him @ 3rd string.

If he's back I'll be happy, but he's not exactly a necessity and we may be better off moving on with a low level rookie to groom to be our #2 when Tate's contract is up.

Texan_Bill
03-15-2012, 12:10 PM
Re: So... WTF is going on?

The 'Gurls are signing guys (this after being dinged $18 million against the cap this year and around 18 next year). The Tinnbreds, Broncos are pursuing Manning - hot and heavy. Chiefs signed Payton Hillis.

Meanwhile, we're doing nothing except losing or cutting players - and not even cutting the right players.

FML! :gun:

drunkcookie
03-15-2012, 12:21 PM
I tell you what's going on: Gary and Wade battle-fought over who was priority #2 after Foster, and Wade won! Now the Texans are waiting on Mario's move...

Either that or Wade and Gary had a drinking contest, and Wade trick Gary into drinking too much... "eff it, Wade, we'll jus go affer Murio.. ha, sounds funny...Murrrrrrio."

Now Kubiak is going to AA meetings and kickin' himself because he let a stupid drinking contest put at risk his offensive line... "Hi, I'm Kubs and i have a drinking problem. This one's on me!"

thunderkyss
03-15-2012, 01:06 PM
I tell you what's going on: Gary and Wade battle-fought over who was priority #2 after Foster, and Wade won! Now the Texans are waiting on Mario's move...

Either that or Wade and Gary had a drinking contest, and Wade trick Gary into drinking too much... "eff it, Wade, we'll jus go affer Murio.. ha, sounds funny...Murrrrrrio."

Now Kubiak is going to AA meetings and kickin' himself because he let a stupid drinking contest put at risk his offensive line... "Hi, I'm Kubs and i have a drinking problem. This one's on me!"

That's fine. But we can have as many free agents in here interviewing so we'd be ready to pounce once Mario does what he is going to do.

I think that would also let Mario know, he better get off the pot or....

You know.

Mike77015
03-15-2012, 01:10 PM
We do not need to bring in anyone to replace Mario. We need to take care of the Oline.

Thorn
03-15-2012, 01:12 PM
We do not need to bring in anyone to replace Mario. We need to take care of the Oline.

We may not need to replace Mario, but who's going to replace all the threads he's caused in here?

ChrisG
03-15-2012, 01:18 PM
That's fine. But we can have as many free agents in here interviewing so we'd be ready to pounce once Mario does what he is going to do.

I think that would also let Mario know, he better get off the pot or....

You know.

IK its been posted else where but...Mario has signed with Buffalo for $100M

Hopefully we were not making cap room for him.

Mike77015
03-15-2012, 01:30 PM
IK its been posted else where but...Mario has signed with Buffalo for $100M

Hopefully we were not making cap room for him.

I hope we were because that would be money now available to sign the Oline.

TEXANS84
03-15-2012, 01:40 PM
If we don't sign Myers or Brisel after all this is said and done, I will be EXTREMELY disappointed in our FA.

There is no way we can roll into next season with only two starters on the offensive line from last year.

And what the hell, who would have thought we would have been in this position in the first place???

Pay the men RICK!

Mike77015
03-15-2012, 01:44 PM
Meyers and Briesel are now #1 priority.

ObsiWan
03-15-2012, 01:47 PM
Meyers and Briesel are now #1 priority.

...or their replacements.

there's an outside chance that they will be offered stupid money (for their positions) by some other team and we'll have to fill those spots too.

Mr teX
03-15-2012, 01:49 PM
So if meyers holds steadfast in wanting mangold money, do we overpay him for fear of losing him?

Lol at those who would.

thunderkyss
03-15-2012, 01:50 PM
We do not need to bring in anyone to replace Mario. We need to take care of the Oline.

Sorry, but we need another outside pass rusher. 2 is not enough. Especially not the two we've got. Connor & Reed are side kicks, we need a Batman.

My opinion, we need to bring someone in we can reasonably expect to get double digit sacks.

ObsiWan
03-15-2012, 01:51 PM
Sorry, but we need another outside pass rusher. 2 is not enough. Especially not the two we've got. Connor & Reed are side kicks, we need a Batman.

My opinion, we need to bring someone in we can reasonably expect to get double digit sacks.

This train of thought deserves it's own thread...

stay tuned...

b0ng
03-15-2012, 01:53 PM
So if meyers holds steadfast in wanting mangold money, do we overpay him for fear of losing him?

Lol at those who would.

No, while Myers is good in a ZBS he's not "best center in the NFL" good.

ChrisG
03-15-2012, 02:35 PM
I hope we were because that would be money now available to sign the Oline.

My thinking was I was hoping we didn't let the majority of our OL hit the open market just to try and sign Mario.

CloakNNNdagger
03-15-2012, 04:16 PM
After reading Agatha Christie's book again last week..................I've got to tell you, I'm really sweating bullets.........

http://img.geocaching.com/track/large/4d9ffe5a-f773-4c46-ba28-cfa829b57a0e.jpg

ObsiWan
03-15-2012, 04:20 PM
So if meyers holds steadfast in wanting mangold money, do we overpay him for fear of losing him?

Lol at those who would.

Let him test the waters. If someone offers him stupid money...
Thanks Chris for all you've done...

...next man up!

Perki-Perk
03-15-2012, 04:21 PM
The 'Gurls are signing guys (this after being dinged $18 million against the cap this year and around 18 next year). The Tinnbreds, Broncos are pursuing Manning - hot and heavy. Chiefs signed Payton Hillis.

Meanwhile, we're doing nothing except losing or cutting players - and not even cutting the right players.

FML! :gun:

Off topic, but interesting that someone with your sig would keep using "FML" at the frequency you've been using it lately. Unless you're just doing that to show how ridiculously overused and unnecessary it is, then awesome! I really only thought teenaged girls did that....

Texan_Bill
03-15-2012, 05:52 PM
Off topic, but interesting that someone with your sig would keep using "FML" at the frequency you've been using it lately. Unless you're just doing that to show how ridiculously overused and unnecessary it is, then awesome! I really only thought teenaged girls did that....

Oh jeez!! FML! Oh and if I ever caught my daughter typing FML! I'd wash her hands out with soap!

It's called being ironical with tongue planted firmly in cheek!! :chickendance:

Dutchrudder
03-15-2012, 06:09 PM
Oh jeez!! FML! Oh and if I ever caught my daughter typing FML! I'd wash her hands out with soap!

It's called being ironical with tongue planted firmly in cheek!! :chickendance:

I dunno about you, but it's really hard for me to pronounce the letter F that way.

HJam72
03-15-2012, 07:13 PM
More like middle finger planted firmly in... :jk:

kingh99
03-15-2012, 07:30 PM
The radio guys are butt hurt because the Texans won't compromise negotiating positions and run their mouths about personnel moves. The fact the Texans don't try and please these guys is a good thing.

Pantherstang84
03-15-2012, 07:32 PM
Well Mario Williams getting his own Brinks truck certainly has killed this board.

kingh99
03-15-2012, 07:53 PM
My take: The Texans aren't capstrung as much as they are actively churning the roster to keep it from getting old. Churn takes confidence in the ability of the organization to coach up exciting young talent. I think the way the best FO's handle their business is to stockpile talent, handpick 4 or 5 veterans to help mold an otherwise young team and churn the rest. This is what the Patriots do. The worst teams take old guys off other teams who aren't respected and listened to. You get rid of those guys and hang on to the top character guys. It's a young man's game.

The Texans FO looks to me like they know what they're doing. The defense is set. I expect a reload of the offense through the draft and FA this year. Should be exciting to possibly see the next offensive star develop. Everyone talks about the Texans having all these TE's. None of their TE's are hosses. And you know they'll go for physical receivers over speedy ones because let's face it, Schaub probably can't take advantage of super speed. The Texans game is mid range middle of the field passing. They need guys who swats away safeties like flies. Guys like Gronkowski.

thunderkyss
03-15-2012, 07:53 PM
The problem, is that the "be patient" crowd were saying we're negotiating from strength, that once the Mario thing is done, we'll move on.

Mario's thing was done 6 hours ago & we've got our thumb up our rumps waiting for an undrafted Denver reject to make up his mind. All the while, the entire right side of our line is non-existent.

To me (& I know it's just me) it seems like our F.O. has a problem multi-tasking.

Vinny
03-15-2012, 08:05 PM
The problem, is that the "be patient" crowd were saying we're negotiating from strength, that once the Mario thing is done, we'll move on.

Mario's thing was done 6 hours ago & we've got our thumb up our rumps waiting for an undrafted Denver reject to make up his mind. All the while, the entire right side of our line is non-existent.

To me (& I know it's just me) it seems like our F.O. has a problem multi-tasking.

wow a whole six hours. I hope nobody commits suicide.

Lucky
03-15-2012, 08:08 PM
Well Mario Williams getting his own Brinks truck certainly has killed this board.
How so? I would have preferred he stayed, but that contract was way too big to match. Should be able to field an entire LBing core with that much money.

We'll survive. I like the Texans chances at the playoffs much more than the Bills. Great teams overachieve. The Texans will need to overachieve if they are to be great.

Texan_Bill
03-15-2012, 08:10 PM
I dunno about you, but it's really hard for me to pronounce the letter F that way.

:spit: The really funny part is that I just tried to do it!!

:facepalm: Bill!

badboy
03-15-2012, 08:13 PM
My take: The Texans aren't capstrung as much as they are actively churning the roster to keep it from getting old. Churn takes confidence in the ability of the organization to coach up exciting young talent. I think the way the best FO's handle their business is to stockpile talent, handpick 4 or 5 veterans to help mold an otherwise young team and churn the rest. This is what the Patriots do. The worst teams take old guys off other teams who aren't respected and listened to. You get rid of those guys and hang on to the top character guys. It's a young man's game.

The Texans FO looks to me like they know what they're doing. The defense is set. I expect a reload of the offense through the draft and FA this year. Should be exciting to possibly see the next offensive star develop. Everyone talks about the Texans having all these TE's. None of their TE's are hosses. And you know they'll go for physical receivers over speedy ones because let's face it, Schaub probably can't take advantage of super speed. The Texans game is mid range middle of the field passing. They need guys who swats away safeties like flies. Guys like Gronkowski.Speed not only gets a WR deep but once a pass is caught allows them to blast past defenders. Kendall Wright is perfect example. Schaub can pass 40 yds and allow Wright to do his thing, as did RG3.

1bigfan13
03-16-2012, 12:19 AM
A player who's still out there that I'd be interested in bringing in is Early Doucet.

He'd be a solid 3rd WR.

Add Kendall Wright in the draft and the WR position is set.

pec0sb0b
03-16-2012, 12:58 AM
I had hoped they would take a look at Meachem, but...what worries me is that pancakes is talking about how well Butler will fill the hole left by Winston's departure. Smells like 12-16 sacks from the right tackle position.

ObsiWan
03-16-2012, 05:08 AM
A player who's still out there that I'd be interested in bringing in is Early Doucet.

He'd be a solid 3rd WR.

Add Kendall Wright in the draft and the WR position is set.

I'd totally be good with this plan. Additionally I would cut J.J. (Wright becomes our new PR). Then keep the best between LeStar Jean and Jeff Maehl, and hold onto K.W. for another year (to help groom whichever youngster wins) then and we're five deep. Now we still don't have an A.J. replacement unit. We need a big, physical WR for that. But there's always next year to fill that need.

Corrosion
03-16-2012, 08:02 AM
Ok , so here's exactly whats happening ....

The team is up against the cap and has several players next season who will become FA's that are integral parts of the team.

They are allowing their FA's to test the market and have likely offered them deals they consider fair. If they accept them , fine. If not , they cant overpay due to next seasons FA's.

Thats why they let MW walk , they made him an offer .... The Bills made him a better one alibet on a loser.

After the initial few days of FA and big signings , most teams wont have a whole lot to spend and there will be bargins to be had at that point in time. This is what the Texans and a few other well run teams are waiting for.

What have we heard out of NE , Pitt , Baltimore , NYG or Houston ..... Nothing but .... Nothing.

All while those teams with money to spend do so on the bigger names and generally overpay.

dalemurphy
03-16-2012, 08:21 AM
Ok , so here's exactly whats happening ....

The team is up against the cap and has several players next season who will become FA's that are integral parts of the team.

They are allowing their FA's to test the market and have likely offered them deals they consider fair. If they accept them , fine. If not , they cant overpay due to next seasons FA's.

Thats why they let MW walk , they made him an offer .... The Bills made him a better one alibet on a loser.

After the initial few days of FA and big signings , most teams wont have a whole lot to spend and there will be bargins to be had at that point in time. This is what the Texans and a few other well run teams are waiting for.

What have we heard out of NE , Pitt , Baltimore , NYG or Houston ..... Nothing but .... Nothing.

All while those teams with money to spend do so on the bigger names and generally overpay.

Good points. I think the Texans are fine cap-wise. They have chosen not to spend large salary bonuses to create space and cause a problem in a few years. They likely have somewhere between $15 and $25 million in cap space right now... which, when you factor in rookie pool and the shear number of players not under contract that will need to be signed or replaced, is not a lot of room but is enough room.

The Texans have waited for the 1st wave of free agency to pass and it has. There are still over 400 free agents (that is a huge number!) and, according to PFT, 62 of their top 100 free agents are still available. However, the money has largely dried up. It is now a buyers' market and the Texans have 100% of their resources. Fortunately, also, their key players that they would like to re-sign have not found buyers at their asking price. It is increasingly likely that some of Myers, Biscuit, Allen, Dreessen will return home. If not, the Texans will find excellent bargains to plug in and supplement the 2012, soon to be, AFC South champs.

blanco2424
03-16-2012, 10:38 AM
Good points. I think the Texans are fine cap-wise. They have chosen not to spend large salary bonuses to create space and cause a problem in a few years. They likely have somewhere between $15 and $25 million in cap space right now... which, when you factor in rookie pool and the shear number of players not under contract that will need to be signed or replaced, is not a lot of room but is enough room.

The Texans have waited for the 1st wave of free agency to pass and it has. There are still over 400 free agents (that is a huge number!) and, according to PFT, 62 of their top 100 free agents are still available. However, the money has largely dried up. It is now a buyers' market and the Texans have 100% of their resources. Fortunately, also, their key players that they would like to re-sign have not found buyers at their asking price. It is increasingly likely that some of Myers, Biscuit, Allen, Dreessen will return home. If not, the Texans will find excellent bargains to plug in and supplement the 2012, soon to be, AFC South champs.

Spot on Dale and good post!

drunkcookie
03-16-2012, 10:48 AM
The problem, is that the "be patient" crowd were saying we're negotiating from strength, that once the Mario thing is done, we'll move on.

Mario's thing was done 6 hours ago & we've got our thumb up our rumps waiting for an undrafted Denver reject to make up his mind. All the while, the entire right side of our line is non-existent.

To me (& I know it's just me) it seems like our F.O. has a problem multi-tasking.

If they wait too long they're sitting on their thumbs, if they act now they're overreacting... People need to simmer down...

We learned last year that this FO has no problem waiting a little, then pulling the trigger at the right time... It's still been less than 72 hours since this whole mess started, it's early... Hell, took 'em four days last year to make a splash and there was a shorter time period to that FAgency...

The "are we there yet? are we there yet?" crowd needs to just sit in the back and settle down...

DX-TEX
03-16-2012, 10:59 AM
Good points. I think the Texans are fine cap-wise. They have chosen not to spend large salary bonuses to create space and cause a problem in a few years. They likely have somewhere between $15 and $25 million in cap space right now... which, when you factor in rookie pool and the shear number of players not under contract that will need to be signed or replaced, is not a lot of room but is enough room.

The Texans have waited for the 1st wave of free agency to pass and it has. There are still over 400 free agents (that is a huge number!) and, according to PFT, 62 of their top 100 free agents are still available. However, the money has largely dried up. It is now a buyers' market and the Texans have 100% of their resources. Fortunately, also, their key players that they would like to re-sign have not found buyers at their asking price. It is increasingly likely that some of Myers, Biscuit, Allen, Dreessen will return home. If not, the Texans will find excellent bargains to plug in and supplement the 2012, soon to be, AFC South champs.

Good post. And Vince Young is still out there so there is hope.

TexanBacker93
03-16-2012, 11:44 AM
If they wait too long they're sitting on their thumbs, if they act now they're overreacting... People need to simmer down...

We learned last year that this FO has no problem waiting a little, then pulling the trigger at the right time... It's still been less than 72 hours since this whole mess started, it's early... Hell, took 'em four days last year to make a splash and there was a shorter time period to that FAgency...

The "are we there yet? are we there yet?" crowd needs to just sit in the back and settle down...

A year ago we were all worried about the lack of movement with Nnamdi. The team made their offer, was patient, and then grabbed a better value when it was apparent that Nnamdi wasn't coming here.

Marcus
03-16-2012, 12:03 PM
Good post. And Vince Young is still out there so there is hope.

FYL :gun:

b0ng
03-16-2012, 12:05 PM
I had hoped they would take a look at Meachem, but...what worries me is that pancakes is talking about how well Butler will fill the hole left by Winston's departure. Smells like 12-16 sacks from the right tackle position.

Because Butler was so terrible filling in for Brown?

EVOLVIST
03-16-2012, 03:15 PM
I'd totally be good with this plan. Additionally I would cut J.J. (Wright becomes our new PR). Then keep the best between LeStar Jean and Jeff Maehl, and hold onto K.W. for another year (to help groom whichever youngster wins) then and we're five deep. Now we still don't have an A.J. replacement unit. We need a big, physical WR for that. But there's always next year to fill that need.

I say wrong to Wright.

The Texans don't need a high-end and/or highly paid slot receiver - and that's all Wright will be, IMO.

If we can't get Floyd, then we go for Hill. There's your 2 NFL ready guys right there. I believe Jeffery is ready as well - despite his sub-par 40.

You never know:AJ's replacement might be right there. Of course at this stage I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans didn't go WR at all until the later rounds. All of this is predicated on how the FAs are handled, yes? Yes.

WolverineFan
03-16-2012, 05:52 PM
I say wrong to Wright.

The Texans don't need a high-end and/or highly paid slot receiver - and that's all Wright will be, IMO.

If we can't get Floyd, then we go for Hill. There's your 2 NFL ready guys right there. I believe Jeffery is ready as well - despite his sub-par 40.

You never know:AJ's replacement might be right there. Of course at this stage I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans didn't go WR at all until the later rounds. All of this is predicated on how the FAs are handled, yes? Yes.

In what way is Stephen Hill NFL ready...?

G27RR
03-16-2012, 06:08 PM
In what way is Stephen Hill NFL ready...?

I was wondering the same thing. Hill has said himself he needs to work on his route running and that he didn't run a wide variety of routes in college. He wasn't asked to do much more than block and go deep. He will need practice a lot more on his intermediate/short routes before he's ready to be a big help on every down, IMO. He could be very good in the future, but I don't think he can be proclaimed to be NFL ready as of today. He does certainly have a lot of athletic ability though, to say the least.

EVOLVIST
03-16-2012, 06:24 PM
In what way is Stephen Hill NFL ready...?

It's yet to be seen with Stephen Hill, where he's drafted and by what team - but if you go in the first 2 rounds, as Hill is projected, you had better be NFL ready.

"NFL Ready" to me means you're producing at a high level within two years of your draft. That's either a.) Accounts for a big freshman year or b.) Accounts for not too big of a sophomore slump or c.) Showing brief flashes as a rookie but really turning it on in your second year.

This does not, however, account for injuries or being on a team who doesn't cater to your skillset, which has been known to hamper players.

In that Hill is an exeptional blocker with elite speed, right now, and he already runs less sloppy routes than Jacoby Jones, in theory, even though we know the draft is a crap shoot, if the Texans drafted him, I see that he'd be an upgrade over JJ, at the very least. Too bad JJ wasn't "NFL Ready" in my book. More like the soup line ready since day-one.

Playoffs
03-16-2012, 06:54 PM
In what way is Stephen Hill NFL ready...?None of those guys are NFL ready outside of Blackmon. These aren't AJ Green/Julio Jones caliber.

WolverineFan
03-16-2012, 07:39 PM
It's yet to be seen with Stephen Hill, where he's drafted and by what team - but if you go in the first 2 rounds, as Hill is projected, you had better be NFL ready.

"NFL Ready" to me means you're producing at a high level within two years of your draft. That's either a.) Accounts for a big freshman year or b.) Accounts for not too big of a sophomore slump or c.) Showing brief flashes as a rookie but really turning it on in your second year.

This does not, however, account for injuries or being on a team who doesn't cater to your skillset, which has been known to hamper players.

In that Hill is an exeptional blocker with elite speed, right now, and he already runs less sloppy routes than Jacoby Jones, in theory, even though we know the draft is a crap shoot, if the Texans drafted him, I see that he'd be an upgrade over JJ, at the very least. Too bad JJ wasn't "NFL Ready" in my book. More like the soup line ready since day-one.

Teams draft off potential. Hill will get drafted in the top 40 because of his measureables despite the fact that he's not ready to see the field. If you want someone who will see the field early then don't draft this guy. If you want a project player who could possibly/eventually be a beast in a few years then you take him.

WolverineFan
03-16-2012, 07:41 PM
None of those guys are NFL ready outside of Blackmon. These aren't AJ Green/Julio Jones caliber.

Michael Floyd. Floyd is actually the most pro ready WR in this draft, IMO. More so than Blackmon even.

False Start
03-16-2012, 08:33 PM
Dammit! I cant believe Brisiel is a Raider! :pissed:

G27RR
03-16-2012, 08:38 PM
Dammit! I cant believe Brisiel is a Raider! :pissed:

They paid a little more than I thought he'd get. I guess when you don't have draft picks you have to go after FA hard if you want people - at least we aren't in their position.

False Start
03-16-2012, 08:42 PM
They paid a little more than I thought he'd get. I guess when you don't have draft picks you have to go after FA hard if you want people - at least we aren't in their position.

True, but I was hoping to see Biscuit back in a Texans uni.

EVOLVIST
03-16-2012, 08:43 PM
Michael Floyd. Floyd is actually the most pro ready WR in this draft, IMO. More so than Blackmon even.

I agree with you, in theory, about Floyd. But I don't believe you take any "projects" based upon "potential" in the top-40 or even the top-60 of the draft unless they are a QB or a CB.

Having said that, after the aforementioned positions, WR is so difficult to grade. For every AJ Green you'll have 2 Charles Rodgers, Quincy Morgans and Troy Edwards. Moreover, there's always some kids taken in the 3rd-7th, every year, that blows up. Guys like Stephen Hill, given the right psychological atmosphere, who have underachieved in college because of scheme are prime candidates to blow up in the NFL, though of course nothing is a given.

Yet, overall, we're still talking about the Texans. If they're going to take a WR in the 1st or 2nd, I'm just saying it better be someone who's ready to play. The way it looks, however, is that they'll not go that route, and it will probably be someone like Dwight Jones or Tommy Streeter. Projects. While we still have Jacoby Jones on roster: "A project."

I simply think there's less of a chance that Hill will be a project. But I'm not really trusting the FO right now, so really, I don't know sh!t.

G27RR
03-16-2012, 08:48 PM
True, but I was hoping to see Biscuit back in a Texans uni.

Me, too, at least we kept Myers.

SW H-TOWN
03-16-2012, 09:11 PM
We just signed Myers, that is what is going on! Going to drink a couple of cold ones tonight. We really needed that.