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Naiirb
03-09-2012, 09:37 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/glazer-rams-redskins-strike-deal-for-no-2-pick/

The Dolphins had better offer Peyton Manning more money, because their Plan B has now evaporated.

Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports that the Rams and the Redskins have agreed to terms on a deal that will send the second overall pick in the 2012 draft to Washington. The Redskins undoubtedly will pick quarterback Robert Griffin III. (Or, at the very worst, Andrew Luck.)

Glazer says that the team will swap first-round picks in 2012, with St. Louis taking the No. 6 pick. The Rams also get two future first-round picks and additional selections, one of which is believed to be a second-rounder.

The trade can’t be finalized until the new league year begins on Tuesday at 4:00 p.m. ET.

Glad RG3 didn't end up in Cleveland personally. He's going to be a great fit with Shanahan and gets to play in a huge market now.

Texecutioner
03-09-2012, 09:40 PM
God that sucks!!! That means that RG3 will end up as a ****ing Redskin!! :mariopalm:


God, I hate that team.

Brisco_County
03-09-2012, 09:42 PM
Wow! They sold the farm on that one.

TexanSam
03-09-2012, 09:44 PM
Wow. Two future first round picks and at least one second. Quite a haul by the Rams.

Texanmike02
03-09-2012, 09:46 PM
Washington will suck for years.

Mike

Playoffs
03-09-2012, 09:49 PM
Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite Open
Incredible that #Rams get two future 1st-round picks & a 2nd-rounder for moving down 4 slots in the draft. I mean, just think about that.

jaayteetx
03-09-2012, 09:52 PM
Wtf? Why couldn't we get a deal like that what when we were drafting top 5? I know, the new rookie pay scale makes it feasible but it still sucks.

badboy
03-09-2012, 09:54 PM
hopefully that eliminates Cleveland selecting Wright.

Dutchrudder
03-09-2012, 09:55 PM
Sweet. I'm happy, as it means the Browns will not waste 3 1sts on that guy. I like RG3 a lot, but sending that many picks for him isn't worth it for the Browns. Justin Blackmon will be a Cleveland Brown :D

SW H-TOWN
03-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Well the Rams will be dangerous in a couple of years if they have any luck drafting the next couple of years. Damn the Rams are going to have a ton of 1st round draft picks. Welcome to the playoffs.

Carr Bombed
03-09-2012, 10:00 PM
God that sucks!!! That means that RG3 will end up as a ****ing Redskin!! :mariopalm:


God, I hate that team.

Well if you're a fan of RG3 then you should be happy for him... He's going to be a BEAST in that system (assuming DanO has enough patience). That guy is going to be unstoppable on roll outs and naked boots. I'm glad he's going to the NFC as well.

Stemp
03-09-2012, 10:12 PM
If RG3 is as awesome as everyone expects, the best part is we get to watch him beat up on the Cowgirls twice every year

badboy
03-09-2012, 10:15 PM
Well the Rams will be dangerous in a couple of years if they have any luck drafting the next couple of years. Damn the Rams are going to have a ton of 1st round draft picks. Welcome to the playoffs.Yep but those are not 2012 picks. They get better over the years.

gary
03-09-2012, 10:16 PM
The Rams do not need a QB and RG3 is going to be a franchise QB.

mussop
03-09-2012, 10:16 PM
Good, he will show what a difference it makes having a mobile QB in this system. He is going to be a superstar. Wouldn't it be funny if Indy decided to take RG111?

Texecutioner
03-09-2012, 10:20 PM
Well if you're a fan of RG3 then you should be happy for him... He's going to be a BEAST in that system (assuming DanO has enough patience). That guy is going to be unstoppable on roll outs and naked boots. I'm glad he's going to the NFC as well.

I just hate the Skins man. Hate their uni's, their owner, and everything about that franchise. Always have.

I really like RG3 and he's one of the best QB's I've ever seen heading into the draft. People like to make all of these comparisons to different running QB's with him because he's fast and mainly because he's black so he gets compared to guys like Vick and Cam Newton, but to me he is more like a much faster version of Aaron Rodgers with slightly less of an arm. Over all he is a much better prospect than what Rodgers was when Rodgers entered the draft.

alphajoker
03-09-2012, 10:23 PM
Wow! Fisher is off to a good start.

Dutchrudder
03-09-2012, 10:24 PM
I just hate the Skins man. Hate their uni's, their owner, and everything about that franchise. Always have.

I really like RG3 and he's one of the best QB's I've ever seen heading into the draft. People like to make all of these comparisons to different running QB's with him because he's fast and mainly because he's black so he gets compared to guys like Vick and Cam Newton, but to me he is more like a much faster version of Aaron Rodgers with slightly less of an arm. Over all he is a much better prospect than what Rodgers was when Rodgers entered the draft.

RG3 reminds me of Steve Young. Too bad for him the Skins don't have Jerry Rice.

Playoffs
03-09-2012, 10:29 PM
I make that deal all day long if I'm ..... the Redskins.

RGIII is a star on/off the field -- great guy.

Now go to the 2008 Draft (3 years) -- how many are busts? How many are mediocre? Focus on the top 15?:

1 Miami Long, Jake OT
2 St. Louis Long, Chris DE
3 Atlanta Ryan, Matt QB
4 Oakland McFadden, Darren RB
5 Kansas City Dorsey, Glenn DT
6 NY Jets Gholston, Vernon DE
7 New Orleans Ellis, Sedrick DT
8 Jacksonville Harvey, Derrick DE
9 Cincinnati Rivers, Keith LB
10 New England Mayo, Jerod OLB
11 Buffalo McKelvin, Leodis CB
12 Denver Clady, Ryan OT
13 Carolina Stewart, Jonathan RB
14 Chicago Williams, Chris OT
15 Kansas City Albert, Branden OG
16 Arizona Rodgers-Cromartie, Dominique CB
17 Detroit Cherilus, Gosder OT
18 Baltimore Flacco, Joe QB
19 Carolina Otah, Jeff OT
20 Tampa Bay Talib, Aqib CB
21 Atlanta Baker, Sam OT
22 Dallas Jones, Felix RB
23 Pittsburgh Mendenhall, Rashard RB
24 Tennessee Johnson, Chris RB
25 Dallas Jenkins, Mike CB
26 Houston Brown, Duane OT
27 San Diego Cason, Antoine CB
28 Seattle Jackson, Lawrence DE
29 San Francisco Balmer, Kentwan DE
30 NY Jets Keller, Dustin TE
31 NY Giants Phillips, Kenny FS

steelbtexan
03-09-2012, 10:32 PM
Washington will suck for years.

Mike

Not if Griffin does what I think he will do.

Those 1st rders will be low picks. If the scouting dept does their jobs and with Snyders willingness to spend in FA the Redskins should be a good team.

Quick: when is the last time the Redskins had a great QB?

Stemp
03-09-2012, 10:33 PM
RG3 reminds me of Steve Young. Too bad for him the Skins don't have Jerry Rice.

Griffin knows what it's like to play behind a crappy OLine and no decent WR from his first 3 years at Baylor.

badboy
03-09-2012, 10:35 PM
Rams get #6 and second round pick + 2013 & 2014 firsts.

steelbtexan
03-09-2012, 10:35 PM
RG3 reminds me of Steve Young. Too bad for him the Skins don't have Jerry Rice.

No, but I bet they add Vincent Jackson to go along with S.Moss/Fred Davis Chris Cooley etc....

TheMatrix31
03-09-2012, 10:36 PM
We should trade Schaub and #26 to Cleveland for #4 and future picks, draft Justin Blackmon and sign Peyton.

/half-joking

Lucky
03-09-2012, 10:40 PM
Looks like Shanny and Baby Shanny just bought themselves more time in Washington.

I like Griffin. A lot. But that was too much to cough up. Even if Griffin is everything they think he'll be, that just slashed their ability to put talent around him.

Great move by the Rams. Fisher has set this franchise up to be the major player in drafts to come.

gary
03-09-2012, 10:50 PM
No, but I bet they add Vincent Jackson to go along with S.Moss/Fred Davis Chris Cooley etc....I thought he has been tagged already?

Playoffs
03-09-2012, 10:53 PM
Rams have picks 6, 33 and 39 in top 40 now...

I'd look for them to trade out of one.


I thought he has been tagged already?
No, VJ wasn't tagged. Bolts didn't use it.

Texecutioner
03-09-2012, 10:55 PM
Looks like Shanny and Baby Shanny just bought themselves more time in Washington.

I like Griffin. A lot. But that was too much to cough up. Even if Griffin is everything they think he'll be, that just slashed their ability to put talent around him.

Great move by the Rams. Fisher has set this franchise up to be the major player in drafts to come.

The good thing though is that they have probably the most aggressive owner in the entire league when it comes to free agency to bring in talent. That's the only choice they'll have for the first few seasons now, so at least they have an owner that will make the moves if necessary.

My question to me though is why the Rams didn't just trade Bradford? I know he has shown good signs, but he doesn't have near the ceiling that RG3 does. They still could have gotten some nice compensation for Bradford and ended up with RG3.

Dutchrudder
03-09-2012, 10:58 PM
No, but I bet they add Vincent Jackson to go along with S.Moss/Fred Davis Chris Cooley etc....

Maybe, but I think Vjax and Innegan go to the Rams and turn that team around. Then the Rams add some o-line help @ 6 and probably again with a 2nd rounder. Or maybe take Trent Richardson at 6 and bolster the o-line with the 2nds. Lots of options on the table for them.

Playoffs
03-09-2012, 11:06 PM
Best thing about this ... ??????

Jerruh & the Cowgirls will be doormats in the NFC East for years!!!

:doot: :clap: :bravo: :lol: :ahhaha: :splits:


I'm so happy.

welsh texan
03-09-2012, 11:09 PM
The good thing though is that they have probably the most aggressive owner in the entire league when it comes to free agency to bring in talent. That's the only choice they'll have for the first few seasons now, so at least they have an owner that will make the moves if necessary.

My question to me though is why the Rams didn't just trade Bradford? I know he has shown good signs, but he doesn't have near the ceiling that RG3 does. They still could have gotten some nice compensation for Bradford and ended up with RG3.

Teams just don't tend to part with QB's who've been as good as Bradford has. (Bradford has been pretty good, nothing special, but quietly improving) You put a lot of effort into grooming a rookie QBm if you can get him to where Bradford is at now, its very hard to turn your back on for another rookie.

I think with the number of picks they have in hand and can leverage, they are are really going to add some great talent around him, in 3 years I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Rams where the Texans are right now.

Thats as long as they draft well, they've drafted high for years without ever really making much progress towards the playoffs so who knows.

Texecutioner
03-09-2012, 11:10 PM
Maybe, but I think Vjax and Innegan go to the Rams and turn that team around. Then the Rams add some o-line help @ 6 and probably again with a 2nd rounder. Or maybe take Trent Richardson at 6 and bolster the o-line with the 2nds. Lots of options on the table for them.

They need to find for sure improvements at WR. I don't know that V-Jax is it. He is talent wise, but his off the field problems are a serious concern. One more and he is out for an entire season potentially or at least half. I'd target Blackmon if I were them.

pbat488
03-09-2012, 11:10 PM
wow, what a haul for the rams. even if the hit-rate in drafting players isn't great, gaining two extra 1st's and a second for moving down FOUR spots is a killer haul.

can't wait to see where the rams go from here in the next couple of drafts, they have a lot of flexibility to make some moves. also, since most of my extended family lives in the lou, they are definitely my favorite nfl team other than the texans.

PapaL
03-09-2012, 11:21 PM
Washington will ruin another QB. As a DC local and a RG3 fan I'm saddened to hear this. No blocking, no WR, a mediocre run game at best, and no 1st round picks to help to help the kid. All the coaching in the world won't fabricate a competent OL and WR. Look for 'skins to remain in last place in that division for many years to come.

Dutchrudder
03-09-2012, 11:25 PM
They need to find for sure improvements at WR. I don't know that V-Jax is it. He is talent wise, but his off the field problems are a serious concern. One more and he is out for an entire season potentially or at least half. I'd target Blackmon if I were them.

You mean for the Redskins?

I would expect the draft to go like this now:

1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Kalil
4. Blackmon
5. Claiborne
6. ???

I doubt the Redskins get a shot at Blackmon.

El Tejano
03-09-2012, 11:30 PM
This, IMO, is the reason you don't tank a season to get the #1 pick in the draft. Us Texan fans need to be really thankful that Indy wasn't the #2 pick. Had Indy had the #2 pick, they would be able to afford Manning, and would have 3 more number one picks over the next 3 years. That could've turned that franchise around quicker.

Instead Indy has the #1 pick and now they won't have players around them.

Texecutioner
03-09-2012, 11:43 PM
You mean for the Redskins?

I would expect the draft to go like this now:

1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Kalil
4. Blackmon
5. Claiborne
6. ???

I doubt the Redskins get a shot at Blackmon.

I meant the Rams. Where do they draft now? They probably can't get him though without trading picks again. The Rams need to get Bradford weapons this off season. They have arguably the worst players at skill positions in the entire league. Bradford needs a lot of help.

Mr teX
03-09-2012, 11:49 PM
This is setting up for RG3 to become a bust of epic proportions if he doesn't pan out. Years from now, this will be chronicled as the thing that launched the rams into a dynasty...ala the dallas herschel walker trade. That's just a ridiculous haul for 1 guy.

Dutchrudder
03-09-2012, 11:49 PM
I meant the Rams. Where do they draft now? They probably can't get him though without trading picks again. The Rams need to get Bradford weapons this off season. They have arguably the worst players at skill positions in the entire league. Bradford needs a lot of help.

Oh, well if Blackmon fell to 6, he would be a great pick, but I don't think he will. Even Malcom Floyd would be a good grab, but 6 is a big high. If they could trade back again, they could get Floyd in the early 10's or grab a WR that falls to their 2nd pick.

Carr Bombed
03-09-2012, 11:50 PM
Washington will ruin another QB. As a DC local and a RG3 fan I'm saddened to hear this. No blocking, no WR, a mediocre run game at best, and no 1st round picks to help to help the kid. All the coaching in the world won't fabricate a competent OL and WR. Look for 'skins to remain in last place in that division for many years to come.

Exactly how many 1st rounders ( or second round picks) do we currently have at WR and Oline?.. For that matter how many 1st or even 2nd round picks do we have playing on the offense as a whole? A good QB can elevate the play of those around him... as we've seen here post David Carr. If Mike Shanahan is the offensive mind that people claim he is, he'll be able to take players in the middle rounds (and on) and pull people off the scrap heap for cheap (like Kubiak has done) and make it work.

There's many ways to skin a cat and you can find talent in other rounds if you can identify players that can succeed in your system. (Walter 7th round pick, Myers 6th round tender, Walter 7th round tender, Brisiel undrafted, Foster undrafted... etc. etc.)

Sometimes it takes bold moves to change the course a team is on (trading two second round picks for Schaub), this could be the bold move that changes the Redskins fortunes and if Griffin turns out to be the franchise QB I think he will, the bounty given up for him will be money well spent.

Carr Bombed
03-09-2012, 11:52 PM
This setting up for RG3 to become a bust of epic proportions.

How so... He's going to a good system and to a coach who has a offensive mind and who's been able to work well with QBs.

Mr teX
03-10-2012, 12:00 AM
You mean for the Redskins?

I would expect the draft to go like this now:

1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Kalil
4. Blackmon
5. Claiborne
6. ???

I doubt the Redskins get a shot at Blackmon.

I imagine since they've made this move and committed to Bradford, they're gonna wanna keep him upright so maybe they wait & see if Kalil slides as Jason Smith has been a colossal bust.....This would also go a long way to fortifying the O-line for Fisher's run dominated offense.


Or maybe they go ahead & get Bradford a credible WR weapon in Floyd & hit FA to fortify the line.

Mr teX
03-10-2012, 12:13 AM
How so... He's going to a good system and to a coach who has a offensive mind and who's been able to work well with QBs.



-Washington has no real weapons for him to work with & their O-line might get that kid killed; especially in that beast division with all those beast NFC east pass rushers.....

Then when you factor in Shanny's offense with all the naked boots...the kid's gonna be running for his life & if he gets to running too much...his career could get untracked before it even starts due to injury or shell shock from being hit so much.

Carr Bombed
03-10-2012, 12:34 AM
-Washington has no real weapons for him to work with & their O-line might get that kid killed; especially in that beast division with all those beast NFC east pass rushers.....

Then when you factor in Shanny's offense with all the naked boots...the kid's gonna be running for his life & if he gets to running too much...his career could get untracked before it even starts due to injury or shell shock from being hit so much.

You mean the same way and division that Troy Aikman entered the league? He came into the league and entered a division that had Buddy Ryan at DC and Reggie White, faced Parcells' defense and Lawrence Taylor, and played against Joe Gibbs led teams.. While he got his brains beat in his rookie year....he still succeeded. I don't buy into the theory that situations is what makes or breaks a QB. Either you can play and have talent and succeed or you don't. For instance, I don't care if we put lock down protectors in front of David Carr, he was going to be a bust either way. If Robert Griffin is the real deal, he's going to find a way to be successful either way.

And as far as the naked boots go... If defenses can't key in on a immobile Matt Schaub when he runs his naked boots, I highly doubt they'll be able to key in on Robert Griffin when he runs his and his mobility is only going to help mask his sub par Oline play while they figure things out upfront.

beerlover
03-10-2012, 12:41 AM
-Washington has no real weapons for him to work with & their O-line might get that kid killed; especially in that beast division with all those beast NFC east pass rushers.....

Then when you factor in Shanny's offense with all the naked boots...the kid's gonna be running for his life & if he gets to running too much...his career could get untracked before it even starts due to injury or shell shock from being hit so much.

Your sig has become annoying, please edit thank you :)

PapaL
03-10-2012, 01:36 AM
Exactly how many 1st rounders ( or second round picks) do we currently have at WR and Oline?.. For that matter how many 1st or even 2nd round picks do we have playing on the offense as a whole? A good QB can elevate the play of those around him... as we've seen here post David Carr. If Mike Shanahan is the offensive mind that people claim he is, he'll be able to take players in the middle rounds (and on) and pull people off the scrap heap for cheap (like Kubiak has done) and make it work.

There's many ways to skin a cat and you can find talent in other rounds if you can identify players that can succeed in your system. (Walter 7th round pick, Myers 6th round tender, Walter 7th round tender, Brisiel undrafted, Foster undrafted... etc. etc.)

Sometimes it takes bold moves to change the course a team is on (trading two second round picks for Schaub), this could be the bold move that changes the Redskins fortunes and if Griffin turns out to be the franchise QB I think he will, the bounty given up for him will be money well spent.

What has Shanny done that makes you think he can suddenly pull this off? Has he yet to do this? Last I saw he hasn't done anything since Elway left, his prized running game failed in Denver, his OC came here, and oh yeah he got fired.

You're correct, good teams hit on talent in lots of different ways. Washington is not one. They've been successful on their 1st rounds picks and that's it. Don't believe me? Look for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_draft_history#2005_Draft

FA has been a disaster and that's putting it lightly.

So where does that leave them? In last place in their division, with a rookie QB w/o offensive weapons, an OL, or draft picks with a front office that manages to shoot themselves in the FACE all the time. On the bright side their D is decent sometimes.

Mr teX
03-10-2012, 01:41 AM
You mean the same way and division that Troy Aikman entered the league? He came into the league and entered a division that had Buddy Ryan at DC and Reggie White, faced Parcells' defense and Lawrence Taylor, and played against Joe Gibbs led teams.. While he got his brains beat in his rookie year....he still succeeded. I don't buy into the theory that situations is what makes or breaks a QB. Either you can play and have talent and succeed or you don't. For instance, I don't care if we put lock down protectors in front of David Carr, he was going to be a bust either way. If Robert Griffin is the real deal, he's going to find a way to be successful either way.

And as far as the naked boots go... If defenses can't key in on a immobile Matt Schaub when he runs his naked boots, I highly doubt they'll be able to key in on Robert Griffin when he runs his and his mobility is only going to help mask his sub par Oline play while they figure things out upfront.


Apples & Oranges CB. Aikman got weapons in previous drafts & subsequent drafts afterwards. The redskins just effectively mortgaged their future to get him. Papal detailed how suck they've been in FA since snyder took over.

we've also got a beast rb in the backfield that teams have come to respect....they don't. You remember how the giants locked us down a few years back? Gonna be alot of that going on with him.

PapaL
03-10-2012, 01:42 AM
You mean the same way and division that Troy Aikman entered the league? He came into the league and entered a division that had Buddy Ryan at DC and Reggie White, faced Parcells' defense and Lawrence Taylor, and played against Joe Gibbs led teams.. While he got his brains beat in his rookie year....he still succeeded. I don't buy into the theory that situations is what makes or breaks a QB. Either you can play and have talent and succeed or you don't. For instance, I don't care if we put lock down protectors in front of David Carr, he was going to be a bust either way. If Robert Griffin is the real deal, he's going to find a way to be successful either way.

And as far as the naked boots go... If defenses can't key in on a immobile Matt Schaub when he runs his naked boots, I highly doubt they'll be able to key in on Robert Griffin when he runs his and his mobility is only going to help mask his sub par Oline play while they figure things out upfront.

Oh yeah you mean the Dallas team that netted them 3 first round picks and single handedly built their dynasty of the 90s in The Great Train Robbery trade? How'd that work out for the team that gave up all those picks?

Minnesota Vikings received
RB Herschel Walker
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1990 (54) (Mike Jones)
San Diego's 5th round pick - 1990 (116) (Reggie Thornton)
Dallas's 10th round pick - 1990 (249) (Pat Newman)
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1991 (68) (Jake Reed)


Dallas Cowboys received
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright)
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (12) (Alvin Harper)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38) (Dixon Edwards)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (37) (Darren Woodson)
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) - (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)

Marcus
03-10-2012, 02:34 AM
Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite Open
Incredible that #Rams get two future 1st-round picks & a 2nd-rounder for moving down 4 slots in the draft. I mean, just think about that.

Yup. Haven't read the entire thread yet, but look what they gave up to move up just FOUR SPOTS.

Just imagine what it would have taken to move from 26.

IDEXAN
03-10-2012, 07:29 AM
I have heard that a future year(s) pick is discounted a full round but don't really have anything to document it ? For example a 2013 first rounder would be worth a second-round pick in the 2012 Drat ? Still its a huge price to pay.
There were several things that made the price of this deal so rich for the Redskins, not the least of which there was a second team (Cleveland) that in effect set off a bidding war for the pick. And also these high picks require only about half the investment (in cap/money) as they did under the prior CBA, so in effect it makes the picks more valuable because they aren't as expensive, if that makes sense, and teams are more willing to deal for them. And finally there was a QB involved, and this just proves again how valuable the QB position is.

thunderkyss
03-10-2012, 08:31 AM
Sweet. I'm happy, as it means the Browns will not waste 3 1sts on that guy. I like RG3 a lot, but sending that many picks for him isn't worth it for the Browns. Justin Blackmon will be a Cleveland Brown :D

What if the Browns can grab Trent Richardson with their first first, then manage to land DeCastro their second-first, & Randle/Hill/Streeter with their first-second round pick.

thunderkyss
03-10-2012, 09:19 AM
I don't buy into the theory that situations is what makes or breaks a QB. Either you can play and have talent and succeed or you don't. For instance, I don't care if we put lock down protectors in front of David Carr, he was going to be a bust either way. If Robert Griffin is the real deal, he's going to find a way to be successful either way.

And as far as the naked boots go... If defenses can't key in on a immobile Matt Schaub when he runs his naked boots, I highly doubt they'll be able to key in on Robert Griffin when he runs his and his mobility is only going to help mask his sub par Oline play while they figure things out upfront.

Cam....... Newton.

Who thought the Panthers had the talent to finish as a top 10 offense in 2011?


:cricket: :cricket:
:cricket:


:cricket:

bckey
03-10-2012, 09:23 AM
This is a really bad trade for the Redskins imho. They gave up way too much for RG3 and the pressure on him will be tremendous now. I'm glad I'm not a skins fan. The Rams just got a king's ransom. Its too bad that both times the Texans had the number 1 pick that they didn't have a situation like the Rams did with the number 2 this year.

TexanSam
03-10-2012, 09:32 AM
The biggest reason I'm skeptical of this trade has nothing to do with the players on the field. But would it surprise anyone if Daniel Snyder did something crazy? Maybe RGIII doesn't play well his rookie year, so then Snyder goes out and does something dumb. Or maybe he spends a ton of money next year to try and upgrade his team, but ends up getting the wrong type of players.

Until Washington actually does something positive in the W/L column, I'm going to be skeptical of everything they do. Snyder's turned that franchise into a joke.

thunderkyss
03-10-2012, 09:33 AM
So where does that leave them? In last place in their division, with a rookie QB w/o offensive weapons, an OL, or draft picks with a front office that manages to shoot themselves in the FACE all the time. On the bright side their D is decent sometimes.

With a Nintendo like offense, which Washington can very well have with RG3, & their 2011 defense, the 'skins can very well be a contender.

They stand at least as good a chance as Dallas & Philly.

Rey
03-10-2012, 09:42 AM
-Washington has no real weapons for him to work with & their O-line might get that kid killed; especially in that beast division with all those beast NFC east pass rushers.....

Then when you factor in Shanny's offense with all the naked boots...the kid's gonna be running for his life & if he gets to running too much...his career could get untracked before it even starts due to injury or shell shock from being hit so much.

You say that, but the Redskins only gave up 8 more sacks on the year than we did...And that was with spotty QB play and in a division that has "all those beast NFC pass rushers....."


RG3 is more than mobile enough to elude a DE in the open field on the Naked boots IF the DE even plays it correctly and is in position in the first place.

I don't think it's going to be open season on RG3...Shannahan isn't THAT stupid I don't think..

GP
03-10-2012, 09:48 AM
If RG3 is as awesome as everyone expects, the best part is we get to watch him beat up on the Cowgirls twice every year

How dumb of the Rams to trade OUT of the RG3 pick. Or they could have had Luck at #2 if Colts selected RG3.

Everybody thinks the Rams pulled off a major score. I think the opposite.

Conventional wisdom says "The Redskins just screwed up again." Conventional wisdom says "The Rams really screwed the Redskins and will be awesome with all those future 1st rounders."

Jerry Jones will be a very unhappy man for the next 10 years. RG3 is like Randall Cunningham. He can run and he can throw, and he's smart and charismatic. People believe in him 100%. Vince Young could run, and that's it.

Redskins got their franchise guy. Doug Williams with major wheels.

Rey
03-10-2012, 09:48 AM
I like the trade.

Hell I would have liked to see the Texans make this trade if they were in position to do so...

When you can get a game changer at the QB position and especially one as highly touted as RG3 that seems to have his head on straight, you do it.....

Look how Peyton carried his franchise...Look at how Tom Brady has his team in the hunt every year...Look at what Rodgers is doing in GB...

I don't know if Cam has staying power, but look at how he almost single handedly breathed life into the Panthers organization...They have hope now...They are young again...revitalized...

Guys like that can completely turn around a franchise almost single handedly and then they can make up for bad draft picks and not having the most talented cast around them. They make life a hell of a lot easier on a GM, coach, owner...

Yeah, the skins gave up a lot, but I think it's well worth the risk for the potential pay out.

False Start
03-10-2012, 09:58 AM
Looks like RG3, or Luck will be a foreskin. I say good for them, as long as the teams in the NFC East keep getting stronger, that means the Cowgirls will have an even harder time succeeding. :yes:

Carr Bombed
03-10-2012, 10:01 AM
What has Shanny done that makes you think he can suddenly pull this off? Has he yet to do this? Last I saw he hasn't done anything since Elway left, his prized running game failed in Denver, his OC came here, and oh yeah he got fired.

You're correct, good teams hit on talent in lots of different ways. Washington is not one. They've been successful on their 1st rounds picks and that's it. Don't believe me? Look for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_draft_history#2005_Draft

FA has been a disaster and that's putting it lightly.

So where does that leave them? In last place in their division, with a rookie QB w/o offensive weapons, an OL, or draft picks with a front office that manages to shoot themselves in the FACE all the time. On the bright side their D is decent sometimes.


Why did you totally dodge my question?... How many first or second round picks do we have on offense? You made it seem like the Redskins are doomed and have no shot at acquiring talent now and that assertion is TOTALLY FALSE.

As far as Shanny getting fired... that's a weak point. Name me a coach who hasn't been fired. If you stay in the game long enough... you're going to get fired and as far as what he's done since Elway. He was able to go to the playoffs with Jake Plummer and was building a up and coming team with Cutler, before his owner pulled the plug and hired McDumbass.

Let's see what he does with Griffin now and lets see what Griffin is able to do in Washington before we prematurely write both off.

Carr Bombed
03-10-2012, 10:06 AM
Apples & Oranges CB. Aikman got weapons in previous drafts & subsequent drafts afterwards. The redskins just effectively mortgaged their future to get him. Papal detailed how suck they've been in FA since snyder took over.

we've also got a beast rb in the backfield that teams have come to respect....they don't. You remember how the giants locked us down a few years back? Gonna be alot of that going on with him.

That doesn't change the point I was making... Which was Aikman joined a team with crappy talent and got his brains beat in early on...and didn't break.

The Redskins also didn't mortgage their future... if Griffin turns out to be the real deal. Franchise QBs are worth their weight in gold. If Griffin turns out to be the real deal then they didn't mortgage the future, they unlocked a much brighter future.

And Snyder forfeited FO control a few years back BTW.

Carr Bombed
03-10-2012, 10:10 AM
Oh yeah you mean the Dallas team that netted them 3 first round picks and single handedly built their dynasty of the 90s in The Great Train Robbery trade? How'd that work out for the team that gave up all those picks?

Minnesota Vikings received
RB Herschel Walker
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1990 (54) (Mike Jones)
San Diego's 5th round pick - 1990 (116) (Reggie Thornton)
Dallas's 10th round pick - 1990 (249) (Pat Newman)
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1991 (68) (Jake Reed)


Dallas Cowboys received
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright)
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (12) (Alvin Harper)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38) (Dixon Edwards)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (37) (Darren Woodson)
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) - (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)


Read above.. That doesn't change the root point that I was making.

That trade made them a dynasty... however if they don't make that trade I highly doubt that would've made Aikman a bust.

Marcus
03-10-2012, 10:16 AM
It's always been kind of amazing to me there's always one player each year that people grab onto and think instant Hall of Famer before they play a down of football.

I can't wait to pull up this thread after the season and see how much the perspectives have changed.

chicagotexan2
03-10-2012, 10:21 AM
Wow! They sold the farm on that one.

And threw in a daughter. Wow that was a steep price to pay. I like rg3 but anything less than being great will not justify the price. Its not his fault that the skins paid this much though. Effing rams were made an offer they couldn't refuse.

Carr Bombed
03-10-2012, 10:23 AM
It's always been kind of amazing to me there's always one player each year that people grab onto and think instant Hall of Famer before they play a down of football.

I can't wait to pull up this thread after the season and see how much the perspectives have changed.

Please tell us who in this thread claimed Griffin was going to the HOF or even acted like he is? LOL, all I see is people typing is "if" Griffin becomes this... or "if" Griffin becomes that.

Oh and I also plan on bumping this thread... Already have it bookmarked. If you have a chance to get a good QB, you take your shot... first round picks be damned and if (there's that word again) Griffin becomes that, then it'll be a good trade for the Redskins.

ArlingtonTexan
03-10-2012, 10:34 AM
Wtf? Why couldn't we get a deal like that what when we were drafting top 5? I know, the new rookie pay scale makes it feasible but it still sucks.

Answered your own question

PapaL
03-10-2012, 12:23 PM
Why did you totally dodge my question?... How many first or second round picks do we have on offense? You made it seem like the Redskins are doomed and have no shot at acquiring talent now and that assertion is TOTALLY FALSE.

As far as Shanny getting fired... that's a weak point. Name me a coach who hasn't been fired. If you stay in the game long enough... you're going to get fired and as far as what he's done since Elway. He was able to go to the playoffs with Jake Plummer and was building a up and coming team with Cutler, before his owner pulled the plug and hired McDumbass.

Let's see what he does with Griffin now and lets see what Griffin is able to do in Washington before we prematurely write both off.

I'm not dodging your question, it's irrelevant. Our picks have nothing to do w their draft history and franchise failures.

I'm saying their history and ability to acquire young talent outside of the early picks under Snyder has been nil. I'm not making this up. Look it, check out the data, it doesn't lie.

Vinny
03-10-2012, 02:02 PM
Both teams get what they need. Rams get picks to ramp up their rebuilding...Redskins aren't used to having picks and they get a franchise QB. That's what starting SexyRexy does for you.

Vinny
03-10-2012, 02:06 PM
It's always been kind of amazing to me there's always one player each year that people grab onto and think instant Hall of Famer before they play a down of football.

I can't wait to pull up this thread after the season and see how much the perspectives have changed.Teams will always over-pay for a Franchise QB when one grades high enough. This is really par for the course since there are way more teams than Franchise QB's. If this was for a lineman or a cornerback it's big news...those guys are just easier to find than a high end QB. If he becomes one of course...but its almost foolish to think that nobody would trade up for Griffin and that it would be cheap. The Rams knew what they had in that pick. They are just lucky they already had a young Franchise potential QB in the fold already.

Mr teX
03-10-2012, 09:12 PM
You say that, but the Redskins only gave up 8 more sacks on the year than we did...And that was with spotty QB play and in a division that has "all those beast NFC pass rushers....."


RG3 is more than mobile enough to elude a DE in the open field on the Naked boots IF the DE even plays it correctly and is in position in the first place.

I don't think it's going to be open season on RG3...Shannahan isn't THAT stupid I don't think..


Sexy Rexy's thing isn't to run..it's to throw ill advised balls for picks. All that being said, Grossman is also very familiar with that offense too & still managed to get lit up 8 more times than our immobile & rookie qb group so take that for what its worth.

He'll start out not wanting to run...by the end of the season he'll be doing it just to survive..It's the natural progression of all rookie qb's coming in the league. The other thing is Briles' offense does a disservice to qb b/c they operate almost exclusively out of the shotgun & there is no damn playbook. In the NFL, he'll be coming from under center a helluva lot more than he did in college so he won't be able to read the defense as fast and easily as he did; which will in turn have him holding onto the ball longer. His legs will save him from some of those hits...not too many though.

We'll see how the redskins & Shanny handle him though. Will they hit FA & the draft hard to get him some weapons?