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thunderkyss
03-09-2012, 05:54 PM
What do you think of Tod McShay's top 32 (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7629164/the-nfl-combine-shaken-top-2012-draft-board) players in the 2012 draft?


QB: Andrew Luck
QB Robert Griffin III
OT: Matt Kalil
RB: Trent Richardson
CB:Morris Claiborne
DE: Melvin Ingram
DT: Michael Brockers
WR: Justin Blackmon
ILB: Luke Kuechly
OT: Riley Reiff
DE: Quinton Coples
S: Mark Barron
QB: Ryan Tannehill
DT: Dontari Poe
CB: Janoris Jenkins
G: David DeCastro
OLB: Courtney Upshaw
TE: Fletcher Cox
WR: Michael Floyd
CB: Dre Kirkpatrick
G: Cordy Glenn
WR: Kendall Wright
OT: Mike Adams
OT: Jonathan Martin
DT: Jerel Worthy
DE: Andre Branch
C: Peter Konz
DT: Devon Still
QB: Brock Osweiler
DE: Chandler Jones
RB: Lamar MIller
ILB: Dont'a Hightower

bah007
03-09-2012, 06:09 PM
Tannehill is not close to the #13 player in this draft. At all.

Now, he may very well get drafted in the top 15. But that doesn't mean he is one of the 15 best players. It just means that a team is wasting a first round pick on a second round QB.

kiwitexansfan
03-09-2012, 08:49 PM
QBs overrated, as are Barron and Poe.

mussop
03-09-2012, 11:28 PM
QB: Andrew Luck
QB Robert Griffin III
OT: Matt Kalil
RB: Trent Richardson
CB:Morris Claiborne
DE: Melvin Ingram over rated
DT: Michael Brockers Way over rated
WR: Justin Blackmon
ILB: Luke Kuechly
OT: Riley Reiff
DE: Quinton Coples
S: Mark Barron
QB: Ryan Tannehill
DT: Dontari Poe about right for someone with his measurables
CB: Janoris Jenkins
G: David DeCastro under rated
OLB: Courtney Upshaw
TE: Fletcher Cox Over rated. I like his team mate Thompson better. And he's not a TE
WR: Michael Floyd under rated
CB: Dre Kirkpatrick
G: Cordy Glenn
WR: Kendall Wright
OT: Mike Adams
OT: Jonathan Martin
DT: Jerel Worthy
DE: Andre Branch
C: Peter Konz
DT: Devon Still over rated
QB: Brock Osweiler
DE: Chandler Jones Like him but over rated
RB: Lamar MIller
ILB: Dont'a Hightower

Lucky
03-10-2012, 12:09 AM
TE: Fletcher Cox Over rated. I like his team mate Thompson better. And he's not a TE
Are you referring to Brandon Thompson of Clemson? Because Cox is out of Mississippi State.

Never been a fan of McShay's "scouting". Two guys he is underrating are SoCal DE/OLB Nick Perry and South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore, both easy 1st round picks.

Carr Bombed
03-10-2012, 12:17 AM
He's off his rocker... No way in hell would Blackmon make it past Jacksonville's pick. And he wouldn't make it to their pick to begin with.

mussop
03-10-2012, 12:36 AM
Are you referring to Brandon Thompson of Clemson? Because Cox is out of Mississippi State.

Never been a fan of McShay's "scouting". Two guys he is underrating are SoCal DE/OLB Nick Perry and South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore, both easy 1st round picks.

Yes, I don't know why I keep getting Cox and Branch mixed up. :mariopalm:

thunderkyss
03-10-2012, 11:49 AM
He's off his rocker... No way in hell would Blackmon make it past Jacksonville's pick. And he wouldn't make it to their pick to begin with.

When I look at a top 32, or just player rankings, I don't consider draft position or team needs.

mussop
03-10-2012, 03:02 PM
He's off his rocker... No way in hell would Blackmon make it past Jacksonville's pick. And he wouldn't make it to their pick to begin with.

I don't believe this was intended to be a mock.

NastyNate
03-11-2012, 07:56 PM
Barron and Poe in the top 15 is a head scratcher.

Playoffs
03-11-2012, 08:03 PM
I don't believe this was intended to be a mock.Any ESPN "Insiders" here to copy/paste McShay's latest Mock Draft in here?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story?page=McShayMock3.0&_slug_=2012-nfl-mock-draft-quarterbacks-linemen-lead-way&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft2012%2fstory%3fpage%3dMcShayMock3.0%26_slu g_%3d2012-nfl-mock-draft-quarterbacks-linemen-lead-way

Dutchrudder
03-11-2012, 10:33 PM
McShay hasn't updated his mock to include the Rams/Skins trade.

Playoffs
03-30-2012, 02:27 PM
McShay hasn't updated his mock to include the Rams/Skins trade.Seeing that McShay has updated to a 2 round mock on SI Insider???

Dutchrudder
03-30-2012, 11:05 PM
Sorry, no interest in editing this...

McShay's Big Board:

1
Andrew Luck *
QB
6-4
234

Analysis: Luck nailed his pro day workout, making all the NFL throws and quieting concerns about his arm strength, and there is no doubt that he is the top prospect on the board. Previously: 1

2
Robert Griffin III *
QB
6-2⅜
231

Analysis: Griffin also impressed at his pro day, and his physical tools and impressive intangibles make him a lock to be the No. 2 overall pick to the Redskins. Previously: 2

3
Matt Kalil*
OT
6-5⅝
306

Analysis: Kalil's combination of size, balance, light feet and finishing ability make him one of the best tackle prospects I have evaluated in my time as a scout. Previously: 3

4
Morris Claiborne *
CB
6-0
173

Analysis: Hands-down the top cover corner in the nation. Claiborne's size, speed, fluid hips and impressive ball skills were on display at the combine and further cemented his place among the top 10 picks. Previously: 4

5
Trent Richardson *
RB
5-11
224

Analysis: A rare combination of size, speed, power, balance and vision make him the most complete running back prospect since Adrian Peterson in 2007. Previously: 5


6
Justin Blackmon *
WR
6-0⅞
207

Analysis: Blackmon is clearly the top wideout on the board, and his hands, route-running and physical style will make him a top playmaker at the next level. Previously: 6
7
Luke Kuechly *
ILB
6-3
242

Analysis: Kuechly has proved his athleticism, and he has elite instincts and production. Combined, these traits make him a top-15 pick. Previously: 8
8
Ryan Tannehill
QB
6-3⅞
221

Analysis: Tannehill's upcoming pro day will be his first showcase for scouts since surgery on a broken foot, but his physical tools are outstanding and he has all kinds of potential. He is raw but could still be a top-10 pick. Previously: 13
9
Quinton Coples
DE
6-5
281

Analysis: Coples took some heat for what some saw as an inconsistent motor in 2011, but film shows he was better in that area than we first thought. He has size, speed and burst, and projects as an immediate starter in either a three- or four-man front. Previously: 7
10
Dontari Poe *
DT
6-3
346

Analysis: Poe's incredible combine workout sent him shooting up the board, and his athleticism and versatility have kept him on the edge of the top 10 in recent weeks. Previously: 11
11
Melvin Ingram
DE
6-1⅞
276

Analysis: Ingram showed off impressive explosiveness and change-of-direction skills at the combine, and when you throw in his quickness and power, he is a potential top-10 pick who could also play outside linebacker in a 3-4. Previously: 9
12
David DeCastro *
G
6-4⅞
316

Analysis: DeCastro is a physical, dominating presence in the middle and a Day 1 starter in the NFL. He'll immediately be one of the best guards in the league and remain so for years to come. Previously: 12
13
Mark Barron
S
6-1
213

Analysis: Barron hopes to show at his pro day that he is fully recovered from recent hernia surgery, but he is still the most complete and versatile safety in the 2012 class. Previously: 10
14
Michael Brockers *
DT
6-5
322

Analysis: Brockers has the size and power to dominate the point of attack; he also has upside as a pass-rusher and plenty of overall potential. Previously: 14
15
Riley Reiff*
OT
6-5
313

Analysis: Reiff is technically sound, with the ability to slide and mirror defenders in pass protection. He isn't overwhelming in the running game, but he is solid and consistent overall. Previously: 15
16
Fletcher Cox*
TE
6-4
298

Analysis: Cox's speed, quickness and agility were on display at the combine, and he has cemented his status as a top-three defensive tackle. Previously: 19
17
Courtney Upshaw
OLB
6-1⅝
272

Analysis: Upshaw has the ability to play outside linebacker in a 3-4 or end in a 4-3, thanks to power and strength at the point of attack and finishing ability as a pass-rusher. Previously: 17
18
Michael Floyd
WR
6-2⅝
220

Analysis: Floyd has answered the speed question, and with his elite downfield ball skills he is solidifying himself as the No. 2 receiver on the board. Previously: 21
19
Cordy Glenn
G
6-5
345

Analysis: Glenn's size, power and athleticism make him a first-round guard prospect and also give him the potential to develop into a right tackle in the NFL. Previously: 30
20
Dont'a Hightower *
ILB
6-2
265

Analysis: Hightower showed impressive mobility for his size at the combine, and he is a strong, physical defender who knows how to control the inside against the run. Previously: 26
21
Janoris Jenkins
CB
5-10
193


Analysis: Jenkins is the second-best cover corner on the board and his physical tools are worthy of a first-round grade, but he is slipping because of character baggage. Previously: 16
22
Andre Branch
DE
6-4
259

Analysis: It is clear that Branch possesses athleticism, quickness, a great motor, the ability to play in space and bend as an edge rusher. He is squarely in the first-round mix. Previously: 20
23
Whitney Mercilus *
DE
6-3⅝
261

Analysis: Mercilus isn't the greatest athlete, but he can get into the backfield and disrupt plays, and he led the nation with nine forced fumbles in 2011. Previously: 22
24
Stephon Gilmore *
CB
6-0
190

Analysis: Gilmore's combination of size and speed, impressive footwork, ability to track the ball well and strength in run support have him rising up the board. Previously: 23
25
Kendall Wright
WR
5-10
196

Analysis: Wright's pro day workout (mid-4.4s in the 40-yard dash) confirmed his speed, and his ability to make plays after the catch have him in the first-round mix. Previously: 27
26
Dre Kirkpatrick *
CB
6-1⅝
185

Analysis: Kirkpatrick's short arms and questionable ball skills limit him in man coverage, but he's solid in zone coverage and physical in run support. Previously: 18
27
Jonathan Martin *
OT
6-5⅜
312

Analysis: Martin needs to add strength and become more dominant, but he has the physical tools to develop into a starter at the next level. Previously: 24
28
Chandler Jones *
DE
6-5
247

Analysis: Jones is perhaps the most underrated prospect in the 2012 class. His size, strength, ability to bend the edge and rare length give him impressive potential as a pass-rusher. Previously: 25
29
Mike Adams
OT
6-7
323

Analysis: Adams has a massive frame and moves easily for his size, and although he doesn't play with as much of an edge as you'd like, he has the tools to emerge as a starter at the next level. Previously: 32
30
Lavonte David
OLB
6-0⅝
233

Analysis: David has tremendous range against the run, changes directions easily and is a sound tackler. One of the best pure football players in the draft. Previously: Unranked
31
Stephen Hill*
WR
6-4
215

Analysis: Hill is raw and comes from a triple-option system, but he is productive and has outstanding physical tools that give him plenty of upside. Previously: Unranked
32
Coby Fleener
TE
6-6
247

Analysis: Fleener's pro day workout confirmed his speed, and with his hands, run-after-catch ability and potential as a blocker he is the most complete tight end on the board. Previously: Unranked

Playoffs
03-30-2012, 11:41 PM
Sorry, no interest in editing this...Got it, thanks for posting. MSR


McShay's Big Board:

1 Andrew Luck * QB
Analysis: Luck nailed his pro day workout, making all the NFL throws and quieting concerns about his arm strength, and there is no doubt that he is the top prospect on the board. Previously: 1

2 Robert Griffin III * QB
Analysis: Griffin also impressed at his pro day, and his physical tools and impressive intangibles make him a lock to be the No. 2 overall pick to the Redskins. Previously: 2

3 Matt Kalil* OT
Analysis: Kalil's combination of size, balance, light feet and finishing ability make him one of the best tackle prospects I have evaluated in my time as a scout. Previously: 3

4 Morris Claiborne * CB
Analysis: Hands-down the top cover corner in the nation. Claiborne's size, speed, fluid hips and impressive ball skills were on display at the combine and further cemented his place among the top 10 picks. Previously: 4

5 Trent Richardson * RB
Analysis: A rare combination of size, speed, power, balance and vision make him the most complete running back prospect since Adrian Peterson in 2007. Previously: 5

6 Justin Blackmon * WR
Analysis: Blackmon is clearly the top wideout on the board, and his hands, route-running and physical style will make him a top playmaker at the next level. Previously: 6

7 Luke Kuechly * ILB
Analysis: Kuechly has proved his athleticism, and he has elite instincts and production. Combined, these traits make him a top-15 pick. Previously: 8

8 Ryan Tannehill QB
Analysis: Tannehill's upcoming pro day will be his first showcase for scouts since surgery on a broken foot, but his physical tools are outstanding and he has all kinds of potential. He is raw but could still be a top-10 pick. Previously: 13

9 Quinton Coples DE
Analysis: Coples took some heat for what some saw as an inconsistent motor in 2011, but film shows he was better in that area than we first thought. He has size, speed and burst, and projects as an immediate starter in either a three- or four-man front. Previously: 7

10 Dontari Poe * DT
Analysis: Poe's incredible combine workout sent him shooting up the board, and his athleticism and versatility have kept him on the edge of the top 10 in recent weeks. Previously: 11

11 Melvin Ingram DE
Analysis: Ingram showed off impressive explosiveness and change-of-direction skills at the combine, and when you throw in his quickness and power, he is a potential top-10 pick who could also play outside linebacker in a 3-4. Previously: 9

12 David DeCastro * G
Analysis: DeCastro is a physical, dominating presence in the middle and a Day 1 starter in the NFL. He'll immediately be one of the best guards in the league and remain so for years to come. Previously: 12

13 Mark Barron S
Analysis: Barron hopes to show at his pro day that he is fully recovered from recent hernia surgery, but he is still the most complete and versatile safety in the 2012 class. Previously: 10

14 Michael Brockers * DT
Analysis: Brockers has the size and power to dominate the point of attack; he also has upside as a pass-rusher and plenty of overall potential. Previously: 14

15 Riley Reiff* OT
Analysis: Reiff is technically sound, with the ability to slide and mirror defenders in pass protection. He isn't overwhelming in the running game, but he is solid and consistent overall. Previously: 15

16 Fletcher Cox* TE
Analysis: Cox's speed, quickness and agility were on display at the combine, and he has cemented his status as a top-three defensive tackle. Previously: 19

17 Courtney Upshaw OLB
Analysis: Upshaw has the ability to play outside linebacker in a 3-4 or end in a 4-3, thanks to power and strength at the point of attack and finishing ability as a pass-rusher. Previously: 17

18 Michael Floyd WR
Analysis: Floyd has answered the speed question, and with his elite downfield ball skills he is solidifying himself as the No. 2 receiver on the board. Previously: 21

19 Cordy Glenn G
Analysis: Glenn's size, power and athleticism make him a first-round guard prospect and also give him the potential to develop into a right tackle in the NFL. Previously: 30

20 Dont'a Hightower * ILB
Analysis: Hightower showed impressive mobility for his size at the combine, and he is a strong, physical defender who knows how to control the inside against the run. Previously: 26

21 Janoris Jenkins CB
Analysis: Jenkins is the second-best cover corner on the board and his physical tools are worthy of a first-round grade, but he is slipping because of character baggage. Previously: 16

22 Andre Branch DE
Analysis: It is clear that Branch possesses athleticism, quickness, a great motor, the ability to play in space and bend as an edge rusher. He is squarely in the first-round mix. Previously: 20

23 Whitney Mercilus * DE
Analysis: Mercilus isn't the greatest athlete, but he can get into the backfield and disrupt plays, and he led the nation with nine forced fumbles in 2011. Previously: 22

24 Stephon Gilmore * CB
Analysis: Gilmore's combination of size and speed, impressive footwork, ability to track the ball well and strength in run support have him rising up the board. Previously: 23

25 Kendall Wright WR
Analysis: Wright's pro day workout (mid-4.4s in the 40-yard dash) confirmed his speed, and his ability to make plays after the catch have him in the first-round mix. Previously: 27

26 Dre Kirkpatrick * CB
Analysis: Kirkpatrick's short arms and questionable ball skills limit him in man coverage, but he's solid in zone coverage and physical in run support. Previously: 18

27 Jonathan Martin * OT
Analysis: Martin needs to add strength and become more dominant, but he has the physical tools to develop into a starter at the next level. Previously: 24

28 Chandler Jones * DE
Analysis: Jones is perhaps the most underrated prospect in the 2012 class. His size, strength, ability to bend the edge and rare length give him impressive potential as a pass-rusher. Previously: 25

29 Mike Adams OT
Analysis: Adams has a massive frame and moves easily for his size, and although he doesn't play with as much of an edge as you'd like, he has the tools to emerge as a starter at the next level. Previously: 32

30 Lavonte David OLB
Analysis: David has tremendous range against the run, changes directions easily and is a sound tackler. One of the best pure football players in the draft. Previously: Unranked

31 Stephen Hill* WR
Analysis: Hill is raw and comes from a triple-option system, but he is productive and has outstanding physical tools that give him plenty of upside. Previously: Unranked

32 Coby Fleener TE
Analysis: Fleener's pro day workout confirmed his speed, and with his hands, run-after-catch ability and potential as a blocker he is the most complete tight end on the board. Previously: Unranked

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