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TheMatrix31
03-05-2012, 07:20 AM
5 year deal. No details yet. All over Twitter.

YES!

redwhiteblue
03-05-2012, 07:21 AM
Details to come. John McClain reporting

beerlover
03-05-2012, 07:21 AM
great news

TEXANS84
03-05-2012, 07:23 AM
Just got hit with that on my iphone per bleacher report.

WTG Texans! I'm so happy right now.

Ryan
03-05-2012, 07:27 AM
Great great news.

IDEXAN
03-05-2012, 07:28 AM
I just read on ESPN that the Seahawks Lynch got a 5-year deal with 18 million G, so it'll be interesting to see what Arian comes out with ?

Ryan
03-05-2012, 07:29 AM
I just read on ESPN that the Seahawks Lynch got a 5-year deal with 18 million G, so it'll be interesting to see what Arian comes out with ?

I bet pretty close to 30 m. I'd say probably close in the 5 year, 60 million range.

Thorn
03-05-2012, 07:37 AM
I hope this is true. We really need Foster on this team.

Playoffs
03-05-2012, 07:38 AM
Be interesting to see if Arian worked with the team to minimize first year cap hit? Great news, though.

RTP2110
03-05-2012, 07:40 AM
PFT reports (no dollar amounts tho)...


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/05/texans-sign-arian-foster-to-five-year-deal/

Rey
03-05-2012, 07:40 AM
Great news.

MistaRed
03-05-2012, 07:41 AM
Congrats to Arian. He really deserved it.

srrono
03-05-2012, 07:44 AM
I am hoping more news to follow with Myers and Mario

SeŮor Stan
03-05-2012, 07:44 AM
Sweeeet!!!! No avatar change for me!

srrono
03-05-2012, 07:46 AM
agent for Foster coming on 790am next segment

http://www.sports790.com/main.html

chicagotexan2
03-05-2012, 07:46 AM
great news.

Dutchrudder
03-05-2012, 07:47 AM
awesome!!!

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/GIFs/Seinfeld-dance-animated-gif.gif

NitroGSXR
03-05-2012, 07:47 AM
*sigh*

GP
03-05-2012, 07:50 AM
Whew! Everything else flows from this.

Looks like MAYBE he was the priority, got him signed, and will now work remaining contracts with what money and cap is available.

This one scared me the most. Yates or Schaub needed this guy. I have no doubt about that. Tate needed him, too--The combination of their contrasting styles is a big factor in both guys' success, IMO.

Thorn
03-05-2012, 07:52 AM
Whew! Everything else flows from this.

Looks like MAYBE he was the priority, got him signed, and will now work remaining contracts with what money and cap is available.

This one scared me the most. Yates or Schaub needed this guy. I have no doubt about that. Tate needed him, too--The combination of their contrasting styles is a big factor in both guys' success, IMO.

Agreed. Now they need to sign Meyers.

Grams
03-05-2012, 07:53 AM
Thank You Lord!!!!

gtexan02
03-05-2012, 07:54 AM
What a great move. He has been a huge value and never held out. Great great role model for future contracts

fiasco west
03-05-2012, 07:55 AM
Good, can rest easy now.

Hopefully resign Myers and maybe if we are lucky convince Mario to stay here and that's all this team needs plus drafting a decent WR.

srrono
03-05-2012, 07:56 AM
Anyone know what the franchise number would be for Myers?

Rey
03-05-2012, 07:59 AM
Anyone know what the franchise number would be for Myers?

9.something mil

TEXANJAK
03-05-2012, 08:02 AM
I am so happy right now!!

srrono
03-05-2012, 08:03 AM
9.something mil

thanks just found this, thats way too much money I hope they can get him signed.

The franchise tag number for offensive lineman is the same for tackles, guards and centers Ė an unreasonably large grouping. The team likely canít clear roughly $9.5 million to tag Myers either, and a long-term deal for him should now be the priority.

amazing80
03-05-2012, 08:04 AM
I would suspect Myers would be next. Hopefully they can get him done today too and only have the questions looming over Mario. I am anxious to see the $$$ amount on AF's deal also...

amazing80
03-05-2012, 08:05 AM
Details to come. John McClain reporting

stupid noob




isn't this how you treat these things? :mariopalm:

OzzO
03-05-2012, 08:06 AM
Woot! That's a biggun, now move onto the o-line.

Showtime100
03-05-2012, 08:08 AM
Here's an ESPN link. Glad to see this.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7647019/houston-texans-reach-new-contract-star-rb-arian-foster-source-says

GP
03-05-2012, 08:10 AM
I am so happy right now!!

Hope you don't mind, but I jak'd your avatar.

Really like it. Did you make it, or did you snag it from somewhere else?

Buffi2
03-05-2012, 08:11 AM
Happy Sigh!:doot:

gafftop
03-05-2012, 08:11 AM
Glad to see the Texans have their priorities in order. By signing Arian first you are telling him he is top priority. Exhale. I agree Myers next.

Playoffs
03-05-2012, 08:12 AM
stupid noob
I think we can be a little kinder than that. ;)

TEXANJAK
03-05-2012, 08:13 AM
I got the avatar off of Google images. Use it all you want it is the Texans 10 year patch.

bckey
03-05-2012, 08:13 AM
Good news. Hopefully its a good deal for both sides.

bckey
03-05-2012, 08:16 AM
Great news!

SheTexan
03-05-2012, 08:16 AM
FINALLY! Something worth reading on TT! :doot:

J/K guys! I know its the off season and news is scarce!!

NastyNate
03-05-2012, 08:17 AM
Happy days are here again! Joyous day, I shall drink your good blessings many ounces at a time!

Porky
03-05-2012, 08:17 AM
:splits::ant::toast2:

Fantastic news!! Now let's sign Myers and then see what's left for Mario and Briesel.

I wonder if they have or are about to restruture contracts or release anyone.

mussop
03-05-2012, 08:18 AM
Most likely bye bye Mario.

bckey
03-05-2012, 08:18 AM
agent for Foster coming on 790am next segment

http://www.sports790.com/main.html


Thanks for the link. Listening now. Hopefully the contract is good for both sides.

Texan_Bill
03-05-2012, 08:20 AM
I hope this is true. We really need Foster on this team.

It's true, but again, no details yet.

TheMatrix31
03-05-2012, 08:21 AM
Most likely bye bye Mario.

I don't think anybody has any clue whatsoever what this means so I would hold off on proclaiming any likelihoods on it.

Texan_Bill
03-05-2012, 08:25 AM
I'm not sure there are enough threads concerning Arian Foster yet. Quick, someone start yet another one! :gun:

amazing80
03-05-2012, 08:41 AM
anyone listen to the radio and link and hear a dollar amount?

Dutchrudder
03-05-2012, 08:45 AM
anyone listen to the radio and link and hear a dollar amount?

Nope, nothing on the show nor on any NFL sites as to the terms of the deal. Only thing we know is that it's for 5 years. So we won't need to re-sign him until he's 30 :D

TexanSam
03-05-2012, 08:48 AM
:doot:

aussie_texan
03-05-2012, 08:58 AM
http://blog.houstontexans.com/2012/03/05/agent-foster-texans-agree-to-5-year-deal/


GREAT NEWS

Ryan
03-05-2012, 08:58 AM
Nope, nothing on the show nor on any NFL sites as to the terms of the deal. Only thing we know is that it's for 5 years. So we won't need to re-sign him until he's 30 :D


At least we'll likely get his remaining great years. If i saw another fan of a different team saying how great Foster would look in a different uniform i was gonna lose it.

aussie_texan
03-05-2012, 09:00 AM
whoops didn't see the other thread

Dutchrudder
03-05-2012, 09:03 AM
http://s1.static.gotsmile.net/images/2011/12/05/australia_132305321569.jpg

aussie_texan
03-05-2012, 09:08 AM
:hides:

DocBar
03-05-2012, 09:11 AM
Fantastic news!!!

Ryan
03-05-2012, 09:12 AM
Time for TexMexMom to get a new house.

Malloy
03-05-2012, 09:12 AM
Sweet news! :)

disaacks3
03-05-2012, 09:12 AM
Anyone know what the franchise number would be for Myers?

9.something mil


5.9 mil per 610 this morning. Would have been 2 mil lower if it was only the 120% increase in play.

badboy
03-05-2012, 09:19 AM
5.9 mil per 610 this morning. Would have been 2 mil lower if it was only the 120% increase in play.That's a good number for both sides imo. Still have time for more negotiations and announcements. Entire fan base has a sigh of relief.

Edit: I thought # was for Foster. My bad.

Rey
03-05-2012, 09:20 AM
5.9 mil per 610 this morning. Would have been 2 mil lower if it was only the 120% increase in play.


I don't think that is correct...

I heard that and I thought they were wrong...

Everything I've seen has said that OL are just considered OL now and they don't make distcinctions by position so franchising a center would be just like franchising a LT...

5.9 mil sounds kind of low if that is the case...

badboy
03-05-2012, 09:24 AM
790 just said Foster's new deal probably not backloaded as Arian has been on very low deal and would want some money now. That is cool but does not help sign Mario.

ckhouston
03-05-2012, 09:26 AM
This most likely means Mario is gone, and Peyton is coming. Watch.

Dutchrudder
03-05-2012, 09:27 AM
5.9 mil per 610 this morning. Would have been 2 mil lower if it was only the 120% increase in play.

That's not right at all. Did John McClain say it? Cause that sounds like something he would get wrong.

Quarterback: $14.4 million (down from $16.1 million in 2011, $16.4 million in 2010)
Players - Drew Brees, Matt Flynn

Running back: $7.7 million (down from $9.6 million in 2011, $8.2 million in 2010)
Players - Matt Forte, Ray Rice

Wide receiver: $9.4 million (down from 11.4 million in 2011, $9.5 million in 2010)
Players - Dwayne Bowe, DeSean Jackson, Vincent Jackson*, Steve Johnson, Mario Manningham, Wes Welker

Tight end: $5.4 million (down from $7.3 million in 2011, $5.9 million in 2010)
Players - Fred Davis, Jermichael Finley

Offensive line: $9.4 million (down from $10.1 million in 2011, $10.7 million in 2010)
Players - Ben Grubbs, Carl Nicks

Defensive end: $10.6 million (down from $13 million in 2011, $12.4 million in 2010)
Players - Cliff Avril, Calais Campbell, Jason Jones, Mario Williams*, Robert Mathis

Defensive tackle: $7.9 million (down from $12.5 million in 2011. $7 million in 2010)
Players - Red Bryant, Paul Soliai*

Linebacker: $8.8 million (down from $10.1 million in 2011, $9.7 million in 2010)
Players - Stephen Tulloch

Cornerback: $10.6 million (down from $13.5 million in 2011; tag was $9.6 million in 2010)
Players - Cortland Finnegan, Brent Grimes, Brandon Carr, Aaron Ross, Tracy Porter

Safety: $6.2 million (down from $8.8 million in 2011, $6.5 million in 2010)
Players - LaRon Landry, Tyonn Branch, Deshon Goldson


http://www.draftinsiders.com/content/nfl-free-agency-2012-franchise-tag-values-position

aussie_texan
03-05-2012, 09:29 AM
This most likely means Mario is gone, and Peyton is coming. Watch.

harrison smith and peyton...this is going to be one hell of an off-season and straight out of left field if this happens

Thorn
03-05-2012, 09:30 AM
Peyton Manning is not coming to Houston. Jezzzz, I wish that crap about him and Houston would stop. UFO's landing in Reliant would be more likely than Peyton Manning in a Texan uniform.

Ryan
03-05-2012, 09:33 AM
Peyton Manning is not coming to Houston. Jezzzz, I wish that crap about him and Houston would stop. UFO's landing in Reliant would be more likely than Peyton Manning in a Texan uniform.


Those things would likely coincide. There's only one way to explain that exponentially large forehead of his :)

DonnyMost
03-05-2012, 09:34 AM
That's not right at all. Did John McClain say it? Cause that sounds like something he would get wrong.



http://www.draftinsiders.com/content/nfl-free-agency-2012-franchise-tag-values-position

Seems weird that they would classify the entire OL as "one position" in terms of the franchise tag value.

Dutchrudder
03-05-2012, 09:39 AM
Seems weird that they would classify the entire OL as "one position" in terms of the franchise tag value.

It was just part of the negotiations with players. The idea was to keep the tag cost as high as possible so that only true franchise players get the tag. They combine all linebacker positions as well. Here's the list of the numbers compared to 2011 values:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/Sports/franchisetag2012.jpg

DonnyMost
03-05-2012, 09:42 AM
It was just part of the negotiations with players. The idea was to keep the tag cost as high as possible so that only true franchise players get the tag. They combine all linebacker positions as well. Here's the list of the numbers compared to 2011 values:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/Sports/franchisetag2012.jpg

Oh I understand the reasoning behind it, I still just think it is funny/weird. To me that would be like lumping all safeties and cornerbacks into a "DB" category for franchise purposes, or not differentiating between DEs and DLs. Kind of sucks for tackles to have their tag value dragged down by guards and centers.

The salary differential for MLBs/OLBs isn't that much different, IIRC. But the difference between those other groups seems pretty significant.

Hardcore Texan
03-05-2012, 09:51 AM
I am so freaking happy about this!!!!! The best RB in the game is a Texan for the next 5 years.

:texflag:

ChampionTexan
03-05-2012, 09:53 AM
Kind of sucks for tackles to have their tag value dragged down by guards and centers.



It doesn't drag the tag amount down - it potentially increases it. The formula uses the five and ten largest salaries, so either all five/ten are LTs anyway, or there is a guard or center who's in the top five/ten which actually drives it higher than if it had only been calculated using only LTs

DonnyMost
03-05-2012, 09:56 AM
It doesn't drag the tag amount down - it potentially increases it. The formula uses the five and ten largest salaries, so either all five/ten are LTs anyway, or there is a guard or center who's in the top five/ten which actually drives it higher than if it had only been calculated using only LTs

You're right, it increases the payday for the G/C, doesn't reduce it for the Ts. Although, since we're in a salary cap league, money into one man's pocket basically amounts to money taken from another man's (especially when someone is getting overpaid, i.e. a guard making left tackle money). I still don't agree with the lumping of all linemen together as a position, that just seems silly. At the very least split them into interior and exterior positions.

Actually, come to think of it, the tackles probably hate this practice, because it makes them more likely to be targets of the franchise tag, while interior linemen are less likely to be hit with it, simply because of the pay disparity. No front office is going to want to pay an interior lineman elite tackle level money. So, the interior linemen probably love this even more.

BullNation4Life
03-05-2012, 09:58 AM
Great for Foster. He deserved it. Now let's us hope he doesn't go all Chris Johnson or Shaun Alexander on the Texans and keeps running as hard as he does....


Keep Arian Weird!

Mr teX
03-05-2012, 09:58 AM
No sigh of relief cause i knew he wasnt going anywhere....it was just a matter of if they were going to franchise him or not & how close they were going to let negotiations go to the deadline....looks like the texans rewarded him for not holding out & making a stink last year......on to the next one.

MistaRed
03-05-2012, 09:58 AM
The Houston Texans have reached agreement on a five-year, $43.5 million contract with running back Arian Foster, that includes a hard guarantee of $20.75 million, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter

BullNation4Life
03-05-2012, 10:00 AM
No sigh of relief cause i knew he wasnt going anywhere....

I feel the same way, wasn't gonna loose any sleep over it cause Foster was not going anywhere...


note: wasn't gonna lose sleep on it if he did go....

Ryan
03-05-2012, 10:00 AM
The Houston Texans have reached agreement on a five-year, $43.5 million contract with running back Arian Foster, that includes a hard guarantee of $20.75 million, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter

To add on to this from Jason La Canfora:

Arian Foster joins AP and CJ atop RB $$ ranks. $43.5M over 5 years, $20.75M guar, $30m in 1st 3 years of deal, $18M in 2012. #insideslant



Goodbye, Mario.

rmartin65
03-05-2012, 10:01 AM
The Houston Texans have reached agreement on a five-year, $43.5 million contract with running back Arian Foster, that includes a hard guarantee of $20.75 million, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter

Great number for the Texans. Just a little over 8 mill is well within what I wanted to see.

BullNation4Life
03-05-2012, 10:06 AM
To add on to this from Jason La Canfora:

Arian Foster joins AP and CJ atop RB $$ ranks. $43.5M over 5 years, $20.75M guar, $30m in 1st 3 years of deal, $18M in 2012. #insideslant



Goodbye, Mario.

Ozzie Newsome just threw up in his mouth a little bit....

Now Ray Rice knows what he is gonna want and he is basically tell the Ravens to....


wait for it.....



waaaaait for it....



almost there....










http://www.mfi-miami.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/show-me-the-money-jerry-m2.jpg

srrono
03-05-2012, 10:11 AM
Peter King Peter King ‏ @SI_PeterKing

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RT @JasonLaCanfora: Arian Foster: $43.5M over 5 years, $20.75M guar, $30m in 1st 3 years of deal, $18M in 2012 ... Good deal for both------

b0ng
03-05-2012, 10:12 AM
$18m in 2012? How much of that is against the cap?

IDEXAN
03-05-2012, 10:12 AM
To add on to this from Jason La Canfora:

Arian Foster joins AP and CJ atop RB $$ ranks. $43.5M over 5 years, $20.75M guar, $30m in 1st 3 years of deal, $18M in 2012. #insideslant



Goodbye, Mario.
The key number is the guaranteed which is "only" 20.75 M, that's a good deal
IMO for the Texans. And the bulk of the comp is over 3 years while Arian should be in his prime (26, 27, 28).

BullNation4Life
03-05-2012, 10:18 AM
To add on to this from Jason La Canfora:

Arian Foster joins AP and CJ atop RB $$ ranks. $43.5M over 5 years, $20.75M guar, $30m in 1st 3 years of deal, $18M in 2012. #insideslant



Goodbye, Mario.

That don't make no sense! (see if anybody can name the movie)

Said $30 mil in the first 3 years, then $18 mil in 2012? Huh?

Wouldn't it be $10 mil per for 3 years then $9 mil per the last 2?

Is my backwoods math acting up again?

Section516
03-05-2012, 10:19 AM
Regarding Myers.

Center Chris Myers is a guy they really canít afford to lose. But a tag number of $9.5 million factors in left tackle contracts as there is one tag number for all offensive linemen. I think they should put it on him if they can, hopefully as a stopgap to buy time to negotiate something long term. I donít know their cap specifics right now, but believe it would be awfully difficult to make this work.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth

Maddict5
03-05-2012, 10:24 AM
That don't make no sense! (see if anybody can name the movie)

Said $30 mil in the first 3 years, then $18 mil in 2012? Huh?

Wouldn't it be $10 mil per for 3 years then $9 mil per the last 2?

Is my backwoods math acting up again?

signing bonus is included in 2012

eg. 12m signing bonus + 6m sal in '12
3m bonus + 3M SAL IN '13
3m bomus + 3m sal in '14

dalemurphy
03-05-2012, 10:25 AM
That don't make no sense! (see if anybody can name the movie)

Said $30 mil in the first 3 years, then $18 mil in 2012? Huh?

Wouldn't it be $10 mil per for 3 years then $9 mil per the last 2?

Is my backwoods math acting up again?

$18 million in 2012 refers to the signing bonus + 2012 salary. So, the bonus is probably $15 million spread out over the life of the contract. If so, Foster would count $6 million against this year's cap: $3 million prorated bonus, $3 million salary. But, he would physically collect $18 million in 2012

BullNation4Life
03-05-2012, 10:26 AM
$18m in 2012? How much of that is against the cap?

I don't think that is all coming off the cap. I think it is his base salary, which will come off the cap, plus part of his guaranteed money that equals up to $18 million this year....

so possibly 6.5 base plus 11.5 for the guaranteed money or something like that is what I am guessing....

BullNation4Life
03-05-2012, 10:27 AM
$18 million in 2012 refers to the signing bonus + 2012 salary. So, the bonus is probably $15 million spread out over the life of the contract. If so, Foster would count $6 million against this year's cap: $3 million prorated bonus, $3 million salary. But, he would physically collect $18 million in 2012

yeah I just found that out and posted below. That makes more sense...

So 6 million off the cap of what? What is the final cap number?

b0ng
03-05-2012, 10:29 AM
I don't think that is all coming off the cap. I think it is his base salary, which will come off the cap, plus part of his guaranteed money that equals up to $18 million this year....

so possibly 6.5 base plus 11.5 for the guaranteed money or something like that is what I am guessing....

Not a bad number then.

IDEXAN
03-05-2012, 10:29 AM
$18 million in 2012 refers to the signing bonus + 2012 salary. So, the bonus is probably $15 million spread out over the life of the contract. If so, Foster would count $6 million against this year's cap: $3 million prorated bonus, $3 million salary. But, he would physically collect $18 million in 2012
Exactly - gotta know how much of the 18 million can be amortized/prorated over multiple years.

Dutchrudder
03-05-2012, 10:33 AM
signing bonus is included in 2012

eg. 12m signing bonus + 6m sal in '12
3m bonus + 3M SAL IN '13
3m bomus + 3m sal in '14

Your numbers don't add up because you are double counting the signing bonus for 2013/14. That's only 24 million paid out over 3 years. I think Dale got it right with the 15 mill signing bonus and 3 million salary in 2012. Sounds about right to me, but I would guess the signing bonus is a little lower than that.


Also this is cool:

‏@evansilva
DeAngelo Williams received more guaranteed than Foster. Williams was baseline for Foster deal. Foster >>>>> Williams. #Texans got a steal.

DonnyMost
03-05-2012, 10:40 AM
Arian is such a strange cat, I wonder what kind of riders/stipulations he put in his deal.

No brown M&M's in the lockerroom room snack machine?

b0ng
03-05-2012, 10:45 AM
Arian is such a strange cat, I wonder what kind of riders/stipulations he put in his deal.

No brown M&M's in the lockerroom room snack machine?

All gameplans must be in the form of quatrains with the rhyming scheme of

A
B
B
A

Mr. Texan
03-05-2012, 10:56 AM
:kingkong:

Maddict5
03-05-2012, 11:00 AM
Your numbers don't add up because you are double counting the signing bonus for 2013/14. That's only 24 million paid out over 3 years. I think Dale got it right with the 15 mill signing bonus and 3 million salary in 2012. Sounds about right to me, but I would guess the signing bonus is a little lower than that.

ya it was just an example... and fwiw i wasnt double counting, i just presumed he wouldnt be getting the whole garuntee in the signing bonus

1bigfan13
03-05-2012, 11:03 AM
Glad to that we were able to lock him up. $18M this year is a lot for a RB.

Good work on his agent's part. Teams are known for using RB up then dumping them during the final few years of deals when the players were supposed to make the most money.

Those so called "back loaded" deals rarely work out for the players. Foster and his agent did the smart thing.

$18M for a RB stings a little, though.

Playoffs
03-05-2012, 11:04 AM
And for this:

Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite ∑ Open
Arian Foster gave #Texans hometown discount. APY of $8.7M puts him only No. 4 among NFL RBs. Behind AP, DMC, CJ1K. Barely ahead of DeAngelo.

We give 23 our hearffelt namaste:

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b0ng
03-05-2012, 11:05 AM
Glad to that we were able to lock him up. $18M this year is a lot for a RB.


$18M for a RB stings a little, though.

If it's not $18m against the cap, then who cares really?

Insideop
03-05-2012, 11:08 AM
To add on to this from Jason La Canfora:

Arian Foster joins AP and CJ atop RB $$ ranks. $43.5M over 5 years, $20.75M guar, $30m in 1st 3 years of deal, $18M in 2012. #insideslant



Goodbye, Mario.


This is great news on Foster but it does leave the questions open now about Mario. My thinking, and maybe it's backwards, was that the Texans would renegotiate with other players to free up more money 1st, and then sign Mario next. After that, start signing Foster, Myers, Brisiel, etc with what they had left over. Now I'm wondering if this means they won't try to sign Mario and let him go to FA. :thinking:

TheDrifter
03-05-2012, 11:18 AM
And for this:

Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite ∑ Open
Arian Foster gave #Texans hometown discount. APY of $8.7M puts him only No. 4 among NFL RBs. Behind AP, DMC, CJ1K. Barely ahead of DeAngelo.

We give 23 our hearffelt namaste:

http://www.allbeliefs.com/images/smilies/namaste.gifhttp://www.allbeliefs.com/images/smilies/namaste.gifhttp://www.allbeliefs.com/images/smilies/namaste.gifhttp://www.allbeliefs.com/images/smilies/namaste.gifhttp://www.allbeliefs.com/images/smilies/namaste.gifhttp://www.allbeliefs.com/images/smilies/namaste.gif

I'm not sure fourth is "fair" but...it seems about right.

CJ was coming off a monster season, and both he and AP represent probably a larger value overall to their team than Foster does to us. (Well, CJ did)

And DMC plays for the Raiders, where all decisions are decided by a round of Plinko.

kiwitexansfan
03-05-2012, 11:36 AM
Foster was the least of the big three FAs I thought we needed to lock up.

I hope this doesn't come back to bite us when Caldwell is our starting C and Foster is being gang tackled 5 yards deep in the backfield.

False Start
03-05-2012, 11:36 AM
Great fricking news!

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110705120058/glee/images/f/fe/Carlton-Dance-GIF.gif

le14
03-05-2012, 11:38 AM
Foster was the least of the big three FAs I thought we needed to lock up.

I hope this doesn't come back to bite us when Caldwell is our starting C and Foster is being gang tackled 5 yards deep in the backfield.

Can't tell if serious .. :smiliepalm:

gary
03-05-2012, 11:40 AM
I would now sign the o line and TE let Rackers and Mario go.

Carr Bombed
03-05-2012, 11:47 AM
Can't tell if serious .. :smiliepalm:

I know.. The guy is playing at a HOF pace with the numbers he's putting up so far (excellent start so far), has the best vision in the league, and the best "cut" in the league, and he's the FA that should've been signed the least.. ???

People said Arian would be tackled 5 yards in the backfield when Vonta left and if Myers leaves (which I don't think will happen) I doubt Arian is going to all of a sudden "suck". Foster is worth EVERY penny that he received today (anybody who watched our playoff run should see that) and he's going to be a key piece that allows us to win a title if we should get there. You don't let players of his caliber walk out the door... you lock them up and we did that today. Good job Texans.

kiwitexansfan
03-05-2012, 11:52 AM
Did you see Caldwell filling in for Briesel? What is the drop off from Myers to Caldwell?

We'll have to wait and see what else they do, but if we have an OLine featuring Caldwell and Studdard starting........

amazing80
03-05-2012, 11:54 AM
D. Williams got a 16 M signing bonus so lets base Fosters off this....we will round his to an even 15 to make it more simple math


his bonus would be UP FRONT, thats why it is reported he gets 18 MILLION this SEASON, but for cap purposes it is prorated over the life of the contract, meaning for 5 seasons 3 M will count against our cap (unless we cut or trade him prior to his contract expiring)

Now he is guaranteed 20.75 and it is payed in the first 3 seasons, we will assume he took the LEAST amount this season to help our team and salary cap plus he gets a massive cash bonus. That means the AVERAGE IS 6.92 M, but you cannot increase a salary more than 30% each season, SO I will take away 30% in year one, give him the average (6.92) in year 2 and increase that 30% in year 3

Then you would take the first 3 years of 20.75 and subtract it from the total contract 43.5 and would have 22.75 left for the last 2 seasons

Year 1 - 3M (signing bonus) + 4.84 M = 7.84 against cap
Year 2 - 3M (signing bonus) + 6.92 M = 9.92 against cap
Year 3 - 3M (signing bonus) + 9 M = 12 against cap
Year 4 - 3 M (signing bonus) + 11.375 M = 14.375 against cap
Year 5 - 3 M (signing bonus) + 11.375 M = 14.375 against cap

This would be MY GUESS how this is structured, could be slightly different because some of this could be incentives

Porky
03-05-2012, 11:55 AM
[QUOTE=Playoffs;1909494]And for this:

Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite ∑ Open
Arian Foster gave #Texans hometown discount. APY of $8.7M puts him only No. 4 among NFL RBs. Behind AP, DMC, CJ1K. Barely ahead of DeAngelo.

We give 23 our hearffelt namaste:


Not to mention that as a UFA his first 3 years he was vastly underpaid, especially this last year when people said he should hold out. Mr. Foster is pure class. We as fans could not ask for more. He got a fair deal and wrapped it up without holding out, without talking to the media, without whining about he was so unappreciated and underpaid he was - he negiotiated just like he plays. Great Job by both sides! :goodluck:

DX-TEX
03-05-2012, 11:57 AM
The guy deserves it. Stepped up big time during the season and the playoffs and basically carried this team at times this past season.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/fostercatch.gif

kiwitexansfan
03-05-2012, 11:57 AM
Not to mention that as a UFA his first 3 years he was vastly underpaid, especially this last year when people said he should hold out. Mr. Foster is pure class. We as fans could not ask for more. He got a fair deal and wrapped it up without holding out, without talking to the media, without whining about he was so unappreciated and underpaid he was - he negiotiated just like he plays. Great Job by both sides! :goodluck:

Despite my objections, this is very true.

thunderkyss
03-05-2012, 12:08 PM
Most likely bye bye Mario.

Other than Mario actually signing, you have & will read this into every bit of news we hear.

"Don't have enough cap room"
Mussop: "Most likely bye bye Mario."

"We have a lot of cap room"
Mussop: "Most likely bye bye Mario."

"They talked to an OLB prospect at the combine"
Mussop: "Most likely bye bye Mario."

"Signed a new QB coach"
Mussop: "Most likely bye bye Mario."

disaacks3
03-05-2012, 12:09 PM
It was just part of the negotiations with players. The idea was to keep the tag cost as high as possible so that only true franchise players get the tag. They combine all linebacker positions as well. Here's the list of the numbers compared to 2011 values:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/Sports/franchisetag2012.jpg

The question is, would that make Mario's Franchise tag, that of an LB, instead of a DE? (save a few $$ anyways)

amazing80
03-05-2012, 12:11 PM
The question is, would that make Mario's Franchise tag, that of an LB, instead of a DE? (save a few $$ anyways)

This doesn't matter in Mario's situation because he made MORE than the franchise numbers for BOTH positions, so we would be required to give him a 120% INCREASE to his 18 plus million which means 22 plus million for the franchise tag number on Mario

Carr Bombed
03-05-2012, 12:14 PM
Did you see Caldwell filling in for Briesel? What is the drop off from Myers to Caldwell?

We'll have to wait and see what else they do, but if we have an OLine featuring Caldwell and Studdard starting........

If we do lose Myers I highly doubt it would be Caldwell that takes his spot.. We've been grooming him at guard since he was drafted.

If we lose Myers (which I don't think will happen... I think we'll be hearing news on him very shortly and that Foster's deal was the blockade that was holding up any further moves), I'm pretty sure we'd draft a center very high if that happened or sign another FA. They would have other backup plans other than Caldwell.

It's easier to find another center than it is to find a all pro caliber RB. RBs are a dime a dozen...yes, but Foster is special. He is not a dime a dozen runner.

Playoffs
03-05-2012, 12:15 PM
The question is, would that make Mario's Franchise tag, that of an LB, instead of a DE? (save a few $$ anyways)Mario's tag would be over $22 million. Not doable.

Hardcore Texan
03-05-2012, 12:15 PM
Did you see Caldwell filling in for Briesel? What is the drop off from Myers to Caldwell?

We'll have to wait and see what else they do, but if we have an OLine featuring Caldwell and Studdard starting........

Who says those guys are going anywhere? If anything I think this means it's less likely we can keep Mario (I hope I am wrong). I think Myers and Briesel both stay, don't hit the panic button until we see how it plays out.

False Start
03-05-2012, 12:19 PM
I'm happy, so I made this Arian pic in celebration of the signing.


http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/af23wpwwww500.jpg

kiwitexansfan
03-05-2012, 12:19 PM
Who says those guys are going anywhere? If anything I think this means it's less likely we can keep Mario (I hope I am wrong). I think Myers and Briesel both stay, don't hit the panic button until we see how it plays out.

I am waiting on that news. I just value building from the trenches and when you get good pieces you got to lock those up...... and that doesn't even mention Duane Brown needing to be extended just around the corner.

leebigeztx
03-05-2012, 12:21 PM
$18 million in 2012 refers to the signing bonus + 2012 salary. So, the bonus is probably $15 million spread out over the life of the contract. If so, Foster would count $6 million against this year's cap: $3 million prorated bonus, $3 million salary. But, he would physically collect $18 million in 2012

Yep,that's correct,that's how I see it.

SheTexan
03-05-2012, 12:22 PM
I'm happy, so I made this Arian pic in celebration of the signing.


http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/af23wpwwww500.jpg


YOU, my friend, are a master!!! GREAT pic!!

False Start
03-05-2012, 12:25 PM
YOU, my friend, are a master!!! GREAT pic!!

Thank you Ma'am. :tiphat:

dalemurphy
03-05-2012, 12:25 PM
Yep,that's correct,that's how I see it.

Pretty nice deal for both sides. I love it when both parties act with some respect and honor. Texans willing to reward him well and Foster not obsessing about being the highest paid in the league. I'm sure being an UDFA, a check for $15 million looks awfully nice.

False Start
03-05-2012, 12:34 PM
YOU, my friend, are a master!!! GREAT pic!!

Here is a link (http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4669/af23wpwwww.jpg) to a wallpaper sized version. http://www.allbeliefs.com/images/smilies/namaste.gif

thunderkyss
03-05-2012, 12:34 PM
To add on to this from Jason La Canfora:

Arian Foster joins AP and CJ atop RB $$ ranks. $43.5M over 5 years, $20.75M guar, $30m in 1st 3 years of deal, $18M in 2012. #insideslant



Goodbye, Mario.

So let's say you're Arian Foster & you (& your agent) think you are worth as much as Adrian Peterson, DMC, etc...

The thing to do is play this contract through the first three years, collecting $10M/yr (30M over the first 3 years), then ask for a new deal after the 3rd year.

That's basically what Andre did, & if Arian proves to be our best player over the next 3 years, it's going to be hard to say no..... it's also going to be hard to say yes to a RB with 6 years on the odometer.

TexansRule1
03-05-2012, 12:35 PM
Here's an example of how the numbers could work out

$14 Million signing bonus

2012 - $4.0 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $6.8 mil cap hit
2013 - $5.2 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $8.0 mil cap hit
2014 - $6.8 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.6 mil cap hit
2015 - $6.8 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.6 mil cap hit
2016 - $7.0 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.8 mil cap hit

Check my math...
1) First Year $18 mil = $14 mil signing bonus + $4 mil salary
2) 3 years $30 mil = $14 mil signing bonus + $16 mil in salary
3) Total deal $43 mil - $14 mil signing bonus + 29.8 mil in salary

Overall, a good deal (not great but very solid by front office) for a future Hall of Famer and a critical fit to the team.

Goatcheese
03-05-2012, 12:37 PM
D. Williams got a 16 M signing bonus so lets base Fosters off this....we will round his to an even 15 to make it more simple math


his bonus would be UP FRONT, thats why it is reported he gets 18 MILLION this SEASON, but for cap purposes it is prorated over the life of the contract, meaning for 5 seasons 3 M will count against our cap (unless we cut or trade him prior to his contract expiring)

Now he is guaranteed 20.75 and it is payed in the first 3 seasons, we will assume he took the LEAST amount this season to help our team and salary cap plus he gets a massive cash bonus. That means the AVERAGE IS 6.92 M, but you cannot increase a salary more than 30% each season, SO I will take away 30% in year one, give him the average (6.92) in year 2 and increase that 30% in year 3

Then you would take the first 3 years of 20.75 and subtract it from the total contract 43.5 and would have 22.75 left for the last 2 seasons

Year 1 - 3M (signing bonus) + 4.84 M = 7.84 against cap
Year 2 - 3M (signing bonus) + 6.92 M = 9.92 against cap
Year 3 - 3M (signing bonus) + 9 M = 12 against cap
Year 4 - 3 M (signing bonus) + 11.375 M = 14.375 against cap
Year 5 - 3 M (signing bonus) + 11.375 M = 14.375 against cap

This would be MY GUESS how this is structured, could be slightly different because some of this could be incentives

I think you got your numbers crossed somewhere. The total contract is rumored to be worth $43.5 million and includes a hard guarantee of $20.75 million. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7647019/houston-texans-reach-new-contract-star-rb-arian-foster-agent-says)

Yours adds up to $58.51 million. Other than that, thanks for the leg work.

XI CMURDER IX
03-05-2012, 12:39 PM
I think we will be pleasantly surprised by the end of free agency going into the draft. I still expect some players to be cut in favor of draft choices, and better producing yet cheap free agents. Jacoby Jones I am looking straight at you my friend...

leebigeztx
03-05-2012, 12:41 PM
Pretty nice deal for both sides. I love it when both parties act with some respect and honor. Texans willing to reward him well and Foster not obsessing about being the highest paid in the league. I'm sure being an UDFA, a check for $15 million looks awfully nice.

Yep and it falls in line with paying mario and meyers :hurrah:

TexCanada
03-05-2012, 12:56 PM
Pretty darn good deal if you ask me. Foster deserves his big payday, and this shouldn't cripple us in terms of the cap. Hopefully we see some action on our other FAs in the next couple days now.

dalemurphy
03-05-2012, 12:58 PM
Yep and it falls in line with paying mario and meyers :hurrah:

I'll take the bait:

You are correct.

However, I see the Mario Williams situation more like Dunta Robinson.

badboy
03-05-2012, 12:59 PM
Well Ric paid him and Arian did not have to write anything on his shoes. Can you imagine how the MB will explode if we sign Mario at a similar deal and have some cap space left over to use?

amazing80
03-05-2012, 01:00 PM
Here's an example of how the numbers could work out

$14 Million signing bonus

2012 - $4.0 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $6.8 mil cap hit
2013 - $5.2 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $8.0 mil cap hit
2014 - $6.8 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.6 mil cap hit
2015 - $6.8 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.6 mil cap hit
2016 - $7.0 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.8 mil cap hit

Check my math...
1) First Year $18 mil = $14 mil signing bonus + $4 mil salary
2) 3 years $30 mil = $14 mil signing bonus + $16 mil in salary
3) Total deal $43 mil - $14 mil signing bonus + 29.8 mil in salary

Overall, a good deal (not great but very solid by front office) for a future Hall of Famer and a critical fit to the team.


Yup not bad. Repped

Goatcheese
03-05-2012, 01:06 PM
I'll take the bait:

You are correct.

However, I see the Mario Williams situation more like Dunta Robinson.

The Robinson situation blew up because Dunta felt insulted by Rick Smith and claims he was told to his face that he wasn't the kind of corner anyone would pay big money to or franchise tag. Smith was clearly 100% wrong on both counts as he franchised D-Rob and ATL gave him his big contract.

I don't see Smith insulting Mario when he is the consensus best free agent on the market and everyone knows he's going to break the bank.

Lurvinator11
03-05-2012, 01:09 PM
I am so excited! This news made me get out of bed! Good thing too, cause I would have missed a class, but this is just awesome. Now lets hope we can get Myers and maybe even Mario!

GP
03-05-2012, 01:19 PM
So let's say you're Arian Foster & you (& your agent) think you are worth as much as Adrian Peterson, DMC, etc...

The thing to do is play this contract through the first three years, collecting $10M/yr (30M over the first 3 years), then ask for a new deal after the 3rd year.

That's basically what Andre did, & if Arian proves to be our best player over the next 3 years, it's going to be hard to say no..... it's also going to be hard to say yes to a RB with 6 years on the odometer.

I'll take the 3 years and run with it.

If he pulls and AJ and IF he's worth it after the initial 3 years, that's a bridge i cross when I get there. But three years, now, is a good starting point.

Good analysis, btw, of bringing up the possibility of Arian doing what AJ did. Get the money up-front, now, and then come back for a new deal 3 yrs down the road if things are going swimmingly.

Hardcore Texan
03-05-2012, 01:22 PM
I am waiting on that news. I just value building from the trenches and when you get good pieces you got to lock those up...... and that doesn't even mention Duane Brown needing to be extended just around the corner.

Well losing Mario makes all that possible, unfortunately, I don't want to see him go but it does solve a lot of problems financially.

GP
03-05-2012, 01:24 PM
If Mario gives a comparable hometown discount, like Arian did, then it sets up nicely for the Texans. It makes the locker room VERY cohesive and VERY elated.

It would show that everyone who signs is interested in winning first and foremost. I'd be down with that.

cbs1507
03-05-2012, 01:28 PM
This is great news. But from this signing I think that still puts Mario as our top priority. Foster got a 5 year $43.5M contract with $20.75M guaranteed. He makes $18M in his 1st season and $30M total in the first 3 seasons. Relax. His cap number is likely not $18M for 2012. The $18M is likely mostly signing bonus which is prorates over the 5 year contract. I'm thinking something like $15M SB + $3M base for 2012. So his cap hit might be around $6M.

This is good news for Mario (and Myers). We have 17 FA salaries coming off the books on March 13th (only 12 roster spots because 5 salaries were added as IR replacements). One of those salaries is Mario's $18 million. One of those is Chris Myer's salary. He had a 4 year $11 million contract. With Foster only accounting for $6M of that in 2012, we can give $10M of it to Mario and the remaining $2M we can add to whatever Myers has coming off the books from last year. See we just took care of our top 3 priorities with Mario Williams' salary from 2011. The rest of our FA's will not cost nearly as much (and we have 15 salaries to account for 9 other roster spots). Keep in mind we are going to draft some rookies to fill some roster spots. Oh yeah and we have three $1.5 contract exceptions (contracts that won't count against the salary cap). So we have 15 salaries to cover 6 roster spots. Oh yeah and we have three $1.5 contract exception (contracts that won't count against the salary cap). So we have 15 salaries to cover 6 roster spots.

So I expect for us to go hard in negotiations over the next week and try to nab those 2 before FA begins March 13th.

silvrhand
03-05-2012, 01:38 PM
Here's an example of how the numbers could work out

$14 Million signing bonus

2012 - $4.0 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $6.8 mil cap hit
2013 - $5.2 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $8.0 mil cap hit
2014 - $6.8 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.6 mil cap hit
2015 - $6.8 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.6 mil cap hit
2016 - $7.0 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.8 mil cap hit

Check my math...
1) First Year $18 mil = $14 mil signing bonus + $4 mil salary
2) 3 years $30 mil = $14 mil signing bonus + $16 mil in salary
3) Total deal $43 mil - $14 mil signing bonus + 29.8 mil in salary

Overall, a good deal (not great but very solid by front office) for a future Hall of Famer and a critical fit to the team.

Too much IMHO, for what we want to accomplish, but meh we'll just have to see. And let's not talk about him hitting HOF ballot just yet?

HOU-TEX
03-05-2012, 01:55 PM
Congrats to Arian!

Nice job, Rick & Co. Now get Meyers, Brisiel and the others taken care of. We need to keep the big nasties together.

b0ng
03-05-2012, 01:56 PM
Too much IMHO, for what we want to accomplish, but meh we'll just have to see. And let's not talk about him hitting HOF ballot just yet?

Aren't there some hats you should be eating right now?

Mr teX
03-05-2012, 01:59 PM
Try to Sign the both of the elite talent guys first, then look at meyers and brisiel. So far so good with foster out of the way Its time to see if mario was serious about not seeking to be the highest paid defensive player in history. I think if he controls his agent & doesnt let him convince him to take bigger money elsewhere, we might be able to get him back in the fold...if not, he's likely gone.

DX-TEX
03-05-2012, 02:10 PM
http://arianfoster.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/featured_maddencover2.jpg

Oh damn...:mariopalm:

amazing80
03-05-2012, 02:12 PM
Here's an example of how the numbers could work out

$14 Million signing bonus

2012 - $4.0 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $6.8 mil cap hit
2013 - $5.2 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $8.0 mil cap hit
2014 - $6.8 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.6 mil cap hit
2015 - $6.8 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.6 mil cap hit
2016 - $7.0 mil salary + $2.8 mil prorated bonus = $9.8 mil cap hit

Check my math...
1) First Year $18 mil = $14 mil signing bonus + $4 mil salary
2) 3 years $30 mil = $14 mil signing bonus + $16 mil in salary
3) Total deal $43 mil - $14 mil signing bonus + 29.8 mil in salary

Overall, a good deal (not great but very solid by front office) for a future Hall of Famer and a critical fit to the team.


At 2nd glance this is not right, the total contract is 43.5 not 43



$12.5 million signing bonus / $2.75 other bonus (incentives)

2012 - $4.95 million salary, $2.5 signing bonus, $550 other bonus, $8 mil cap
2013 - $4.95 million salary, $2.5 signing bonus, $550 other bonus, $8 mil cap
2014 - $5.95 million salary, $2.5 signing bonus, $550 other bonus, $9 mil cap
subtotal ($18 million in year 1, $30 by year 3)
2015 - $5.95 million, $2.5 signing bonus, $550 other bonus, $9 mil cap
2016 - $6.45 million, $2.5 signing bonus, $550 other bonus, $9.5 mil cap
Total - $28.25 million salary, $12.50 signing bonus, $2.75 other bonus = $43.5 million

Essentially 2012 salary, signing bonus, and incentive are already guaranteed which gets you to the $18 million 2012 and $2.75 difference in guarantee & bonus is essentially in roster bonuses with a logical $550 amount.

Section516
03-05-2012, 02:13 PM
Everyone vote for Brady for Madden cover!

Dutchrudder
03-05-2012, 02:15 PM
Everyone vote for Brady for Madden cover!

I don't believe in curses. I will gladly vote for Arian to be on the cover of Madden. He has earned it.

This would be badass:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/Sports/Madden-12-PS3-Arian-Foster.png

amazing80
03-05-2012, 02:16 PM
I don't believe in curses. I will gladly vote for Arian to be on the cover of Madden. He has earned it.

:smiliepalm: Don't believe in the curse? Thats crazy

Thorn
03-05-2012, 02:18 PM
:smiliepalm: Don't believe in the curse? Thats crazy

This is one curse I actually believe in. Other than my own cursing, which is different. I'll be voting for ANYONE before I vote for Foster for this.

JCTexan
03-05-2012, 02:19 PM
This is great news! Arian was definitely the top guy I wanted to see locked up this off-season.

disaacks3
03-05-2012, 02:29 PM
Everyone vote for Brady for Madden cover!

:smiliepalm: Don't believe in the curse? Thats crazy

This is one curse I actually believe in. Other than my own cursing, which is different. I'll be voting for ANYONE before I vote for Foster for this.

Same here. I love Arian...that's why I really, REALLY don't want him on the Madden cover.

Dutchrudder
03-05-2012, 02:32 PM
Buncha grown men afraid a Foster getting his picture taken is going to ruin his season...

:smiliepalm:

TexanSam
03-05-2012, 02:34 PM
Buncha grown men afraid a Foster getting his picture taken is going to ruin his season...

:smiliepalm:

Being superstitious is part of being a sports fan.

Corrosion
03-05-2012, 02:40 PM
Buncha grown men afraid a Foster getting his picture taken is going to ruin his season...

:smiliepalm:

Just look at the guy's who have been on the cover in the past .... :smiliepalm:

DonnyMost
03-05-2012, 02:46 PM
Buncha grown men afraid a Foster getting his picture taken is going to ruin his season...

:smiliepalm:

I hear cameras can steal your soul, too!

:photos: :photos:

:um: :shoot:

TexCanada
03-05-2012, 02:48 PM
Buncha grown men afraid a Foster getting his picture taken is going to ruin his season...

:smiliepalm:

Agreed, I will be happy to vote for Foster.

Dutchrudder
03-05-2012, 03:14 PM
Just look at the guy's who have been on the cover in the past .... :smiliepalm:

Peyton Hillis - Mr. One Year Wonder, not really unexpected.
Drew Brees - Great season, defense fell apart in the away playoff game. The "Super Bowl hangover" isn't that uncommon anyways, but they still won 11 games.
Polamalu - Missed some games due to injury, team didn't do well and missed the playoffs.
Fitz - Great season, started every game, made second round of the playoffs
Brett Favre - Traded to an inferior team, but had a pretty typical season compared to his last couple. Statistically he wasn't that much worse than the last couple seasons.,
...

It's not a 100% thing at all. Arian or Andre would be fine regardless of what game features them on the cover.

welsh texan
03-05-2012, 03:25 PM
Fantastic deal and where people are saying it doesn't look favourable to Foster, I actually think the structure looks very positive to him, it means he likely plays out the entire contract, where the big 6 year backloaded ones likely will be cap casualties before they reach the big $$$'s. I'd guess Foster earns more in 5 years than CJ1K earns in the first 4 of his deal for instance.

He also likely gets one more big contract if healthy, as he'll be right around the point where his performance isn't going to have dropped off yet although he'll be a ticking time bomb by then.

Foster on the cover of Madden 13? I'd prefer if he wasn't.

fiasco west
03-05-2012, 03:36 PM
Nah we can skip on that Madden Cover.

It's not like Houston Sports Teams are not already battling against fate itself just by trying to be successful.

Last year I voted for Chris Johnson I think. The AFCS isn't that scary anymore but if Luck is in the running then I guess I'll vote for him.

beerlover
03-05-2012, 04:05 PM
I think Arian is a Texan for life by accepting this deal. How cool is that :cool:

Reminds me of when Andre Johnson first extended his rookie contract, to stay a Texan. Then later in passing said it would be nice to re-negotiate & so the Texans did making him set for life. Give it two years & the same thing could happen for Arian.

I also feel similarly in regards to Mario. I think it's in the best interest of all involved to get a deal done. This gives me added confidence it could in fact happen. If it does, I think we could enjoy the ride of our collective Texans lifetime. :logo:

GP
03-05-2012, 04:28 PM
Too much IMHO, for what we want to accomplish, but meh we'll just have to see. And let's not talk about him hitting HOF ballot just yet?

http://i.imgur.com/S0yqs.gif

I thought you were serious there, for a second. LOL. Good one....made me laugh.

Dutchrudder
03-05-2012, 04:34 PM
From LZ:

Spoke with another NFL team who told me Arian Foster's cap hit will be 8 million this year and 8.25 next year & 9 million in 2014


So that means:
8 mm in 2012
8.25 mm in 2013
9 mm in 2014
Total 25.25

4.75 million of that 30 million in the first 3 years remaining. Divide by 2 for 2.375 million per year. Multiply by 5 and you get 11.875 million as Arian's signing bonus :D

Edit: cap hits by year:

8
8.25
9
9.125*
9.125*

Average of remaining money is 9.125 million for the last two years. Hooray Math!

mussop
03-05-2012, 04:37 PM
Other than Mario actually signing, you have & will read this into every bit of news we hear.

"Don't have enough cap room"
Mussop: "Most likely bye bye Mario."

"We have a lot of cap room"
Mussop: "Most likely bye bye Mario."

"They talked to an OLB prospect at the combine"
Mussop: "Most likely bye bye Mario."

"Signed a new QB coach"
Mussop: "Most likely bye bye Mario."

And other than Mario actually signing with another team you will continue to hold on and live in denial. It would be super nice to add Mario to what this defense has become, but no way hell is he more important than keeping our OL together. We have to resign Myers and Breisal. After they sign we need to extend some of the guys that are going to be unrestricted next year. There is no way that all that can happen and bring Mario back.

But you just keep holding on to that dream dreamer. Don't worry in the end you and others will see this is the right path to go down. It will ensure we have a deep and talented team for years.

GP
03-05-2012, 04:51 PM
From LZ:

Spoke with another NFL team who told me Arian Foster's cap hit will be 8 million this year and 8.25 next year & 9 million in 2014


So that means:
8 mm in 2012
8.25 mm in 2013
9 mm in 2014
Total 25.25

4.75 million of that 30 million in the first 3 years remaining. Divide by 2 for 2.375 million per year. Multiply by 5 and you get 11.875 million as Arian's signing bonus :D

Edit: cap hits by year:

8
8.25
9
8.75*
8.75*

Average of remaining money is 8.75 million for the last two years. Hooray Math!

A mod should probably make this a sticky. There will be no end to the questions about "How much is Foster counting against the cap?" Am I right?

I hope they sticky it and make life easier for everybody. It would be cool to have a sub-forum that was nothing but sticky'd contract numbers and cap hits. We could catalog a lot of info into that dude.

Dutchrudder
03-05-2012, 04:59 PM
A mod should probably make this a sticky. There will be no end to the questions about "How much is Foster counting against the cap?" Am I right?

I hope they sticky it and make life easier for everybody. It would be cool to have a sub-forum that was nothing but sticky'd contract numbers and cap hits. We could catalog a lot of info into that dude.

I made an error, but fixed it. 9.125 is the average for the last 2 years (18.25 m total).

Edit: LZ says "signing bonus is 12 million prorated over 5 years". I think his caphits are slightly off then. Oh well, 12 million it is.

Seasick Sailor
03-05-2012, 05:06 PM
This made my day!

Going to buy a jersey to celebrate!

dsorc
03-05-2012, 05:08 PM
I made an error, but fixed it. 9.125 is the average for the last 2 years (18.25 m total).

Edit: LZ says "signing bonus is 12 million prorated over 5 years". I think his caphits are slightly off then. Oh well, 12 million it is.
Either his cap hits or his signing bonus is slightly off. If the cap hit for the first year is 8M and he gets a total of 18M then we have the following 2 equations:
SB/5 + salary = 8
SB + salary = 18

Solving for SB gives a signing bonus of 12.5M with an initial salary of 5.5M

thunderkyss
03-05-2012, 05:09 PM
After they sign we need to extend some of the guys that are going to be unrestricted next year. There is no way that all that can happen and bring Mario back.


& you say this, regardless if we have $4M in cap space or $64M. It doesn't matter to you. No matter how much cap space we have, it's not enough.....

WolverineFan
03-05-2012, 05:14 PM
& you say this, regardless if we have $4M in cap space or $64M. It doesn't matter to you. No matter how much cap space we have, it's not enough.....

Considering the cap situation right now, we cannot sign Mario if we want to sign our other guys as well (Myers, Brisiel, etc.). Maybe if we cut a few guys (Jones, Lienhart) and restructure a few deals (Walter, AJ, Ryans) we can, but right now I don't see it happening.

drs23
03-05-2012, 06:28 PM
Being superstitious is part of being a sports fan.

I like Eli's take on it: "I'm kindastitious". Caught that over the weekend and thought it witty and somewhat humorous.

Goatcheese
03-05-2012, 08:10 PM
Considering the cap situation right now, we cannot sign Mario if we want to sign our other guys as well (Myers, Brisiel, etc.). Maybe if we cut a few guys (Jones, Lienhart) and restructure a few deals (Walter, AJ, Ryans) we can, but right now I don't see it happening.

Most people who have really delved into the Texans' cap situation think they can keep everyone without too much trouble. The numbers floating around saying they only have 1-5 mil in cap space for the 2012-2013 season don't seem credible based on the available contract information.

thunderkyss
03-05-2012, 08:14 PM
Considering the cap situation right now, we cannot sign Mario if we want to sign our other guys as well (Myers, Brisiel, etc.). Maybe if we cut a few guys (Jones, Lienhart) and restructure a few deals (Walter, AJ, Ryans) we can, but right now I don't see it happening.

& what's our cap situation? One minute I'm hearing $4M, the next $30M

have we found a credible source yet?

The Medic01
03-05-2012, 08:17 PM
& what's our cap situation? One minute I'm hearing $4M, the next $30M

have we found a credible source yet?

I'm not to good at this but I think that 30 million you heard is with those 17 FAs that come off the books on March 13th.

mussop
03-05-2012, 08:54 PM
& you say this, regardless if we have $4M in cap space or $64M. It doesn't matter to you. No matter how much cap space we have, it's not enough.....

Just keep hanging on to that string eventually the last thread is going to snap and you will realize the truth. No one knows exactly what we have left but everyone knows its not much. It couldn't more obvious. It would take Mario giving us a huge hometown discount. I can't ever remember a player passing up MILLIONS of dollars to play anywhere. I don't know how you could expect him to.

Mr teX
03-05-2012, 09:10 PM
Just keep hanging on to that string eventually the last thread is going to snap and you will realize the truth. No one knows exactly what we have left but everyone knows its not much. It couldn't more obvious. It would take Mario giving us a huge hometown discount. I can't ever remember a player passing up MILLIONS of dollars to play anywhere. I don't know how you could expect him to.

tom brady a few years back did it & i believe some steeler o-lineman did it like 10 years ago or something... I wouldn't expect a player to do it, but you never know.

I'm like TK, i'll continue to hold out hope until he officially leaves..I don't believe that Wade & the FO believe they'll be OK going into the season with Reed & Barwin & likely a rookie as their core OLB's next year. None of those guys have proven a thing in terms of being capable of taking over a game.

rickyb
03-05-2012, 09:33 PM
What a great story. An UDFA, relegated to the practice squad, goes about his daily grind, biding time and waits for his opportunity. And when it avails itself, he seizes it. Then, he goes about his business, playing lights out and under the terms of his contract. No whining. No excuses. Just does his job better than most.

Class act. I am glad Arian Foster is a Texan.

thunderkyss
03-05-2012, 09:50 PM
Just keep hanging on to that string eventually the last thread is going to snap and you will realize the truth. No one knows exactly what we have left but everyone knows its not much. It couldn't more obvious. It would take Mario giving us a huge hometown discount. I can't ever remember a player passing up MILLIONS of dollars to play anywhere. I don't know how you could expect him to.

these were the numbers I had for 2012
Player Salary Cap Hit
J Joseph $7.250 $9.750
M Schaub $7.150 $8.316
A Johnson $6.500 $9.328
O Daniels $6.500 $6.500
D Ryans $5.900 $7.150
A Smith $5.500 $8.000
E Winston $5.500 $5.500
D Manning $5.000 $5.000
J Jones $4.791 $4.941
K Walter $3.500 $3.500
M Leinart $3.000 $3.000
S Cody $2.250 $2.250
W Smith $2.000 $2.000
R. Butler $1.533 $2.158
B Cushing $1.153 $2.359
JJ Watt $0.856 $2.524
D Brown $0.781 $1.362
K Jackson $0.700 $2.013
G Quin $0.565 $0.607
C Barwin $0.565 $0.917
A Caldwell $0.565 $0.766
J Casey $0.565 $0.611
T Jamison $0.565 $0.569
B McCain $0.565 $0.591
B Harris $0.546 $0.771
B Reed $0.546 $0.884
E Mitchell $0.490 $0.899
D Sharpton $0.490 $0.624
G Graham $0.490 $0.821
S McManis $0.490 $0.538
S Smith $0.490 $0.516
B Tate $0.490 $0.490
R Carmichael $0.490 $0.589
D Newton $0.465 $0.489
TJ Yates $0.465 $0.511
J Nading $0.555
S Keo $0.555
T Nolan $0.565
B Braman $0.490
M Alexander $0.490
B Hartmann $0.490
L Jean $0.490
J Maehl $0.490
A Gardner $0.490



That's $101.469M

Foster's deal adds $8M..... Okoye & Slaton, probably work out to be about $4M of dead money. Say we set aside $4M for our draft picks. So we're looking at $117M

$7M in cap space, without any cuts or Re negotiations. & 10 Roster spots to go.

Yeah, you're probably right.

mussop
03-05-2012, 11:01 PM
That's $101.469M

Foster's deal adds $8M..... Okoye & Slaton, probably work out to be about $4M of dead money. Say we set aside $4M for our draft picks. So we're looking at $117M

$7M in cap space, without any cuts or Re negotiations. & 10 Roster spots to go.

Yeah, you're probably right.

Believe me I hope I am wrong. I would love to see what Mario could do with a full year in this defense. I didn't see what alot of other people here saw but I do think Mario brings alot to this defense. Great in run support, he's versatile, can play OLB and any position on the DL. Size and athleticism. He's not a look at me player which I hate.

Of course I see the negatives to. He disappears at times, doesn't take over games at crucial times, doesn't have great technique after all these years. Of course that most likely has to do poor coaching. He's been injured alot the last two years.

Ryan
03-05-2012, 11:15 PM
Man we can't make it through one thread without bringing MW into it. :mariopalm:

drs23
03-05-2012, 11:16 PM
man we can't make it through one thread without bringing mw into it. :mariopalm:


no!

dalemurphy
03-06-2012, 05:39 AM
Man we can't make it through one thread without bringing MW into it. :mariopalm:

Unlike the football field in December, Mario shows up on the message boards.:chef:

amazing80
03-06-2012, 06:32 AM
Unlike the football field in December, Mario shows up on the message boards.:chef:

BAZING! :bender:

badboy
03-06-2012, 08:11 AM
Radio 610 on a bullit point news flash said Foster's base first year is $18 million and that is a whole 'nother thing. Could have been a tongue typo.

amazing80
03-06-2012, 08:13 AM
Radio 610 on a bullit point news flash said Foster's base first year is $18 million and that is a whole 'nother thing. Could have been a tongue typo.

Gotta be a mis read, his total PAYOUT would be 18 million, but that includes his signing bonus PLUS his base pay, totaling 18 million

badboy
03-06-2012, 08:24 AM
Gotta be a mis read, his total PAYOUT would be 18 million, but that includes his signing bonus PLUS his base pay, totaling 18 millionOk that's what most folks were saying & I thought the first year guarantee was 18 meaning base +upfront bonus. Just wished there was an accurate source.

GP
03-06-2012, 08:51 AM
Ok that's what most folks were saying & I thought the first year guarantee was 18 meaning base +upfront bonus. Just wished there was an accurate source.

I think, for me, the way DutchRudder put pencil to paper makes sense.

He's a pretty sharp cat, and the figures below seem to jibe IF the reports are true. Dutch just took the time to work out the math on it, seems like as good of a guess as any. Unless there is some fine print in Arian's contract...

From LZ:

Spoke with another NFL team who told me Arian Foster's cap hit will be 8 million this year and 8.25 next year & 9 million in 2014


So that means:
8 mm in 2012
8.25 mm in 2013
9 mm in 2014
Total 25.25

4.75 million of that 30 million in the first 3 years remaining. Divide by 2 for 2.375 million per year. Multiply by 5 and you get 11.875 million as Arian's signing bonus :D

Edit: cap hits by year:

8
8.25
9
9.125*
9.125*

Average of remaining money is 9.125 million for the last two years. Hooray Math!

GP
03-06-2012, 08:55 AM
So there IS a way, according to DutchRudder's math, that Arian IS making around $18 or $19 million in year 1 (2012) because his base could likely be $8 mill and his signing bonus might be $11 mill = $19 mill.

But, IIRC, only the base of $8 mill is applied to the 2012 cap figures...the $11 mill (or a good portion of it) can be spread out or applied to future years. This allows us to keep the 2012 cap hit a little lower.

Someone tell me if I am wrong in this thinking.

Dutchrudder
03-06-2012, 09:19 AM
So there IS a way, according to DutchRudder's math, that Arian IS making around $18 or $19 million in year 1 (2012) because his base could likely be $8 mill and his signing bonus might be $11 mill = $19 mill.

But, IIRC, only the base of $8 mill is applied to the 2012 cap figures...the $11 mill (or a good portion of it) can be spread out or applied to future years. This allows us to keep the 2012 cap hit a little lower.

Someone tell me if I am wrong in this thinking.

The cap hit from the signing bonus of ~12 million gets prorated out over the 5 years. It's paid the day he signs the deal and is fully guaranteed. So as far as Foster is concerned, he currently has that money in his bank account. That's 2.4 million against the cap though. So if his cap number is 8 million this year, then that would make his base salary 5.6 million. That 5.6 million will be paid out in 17 checks over the course of the NFL regular season. For this year, Foster will make that 5.6 million salary plus his signing bonus of 12 million, for about 17.6 million. Saying 18 million paid this year is correct, but the cap hit is 8 million.

djohn2oo8
03-06-2012, 01:58 PM
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/64715_10150583838171314_51931216313_9499270_212173 92_n.jpg

The Medic01
03-06-2012, 02:48 PM
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/64715_10150583838171314_51931216313_9499270_212173 92_n.jpg

Is that Foster signing the deal.

badboy
03-06-2012, 03:04 PM
$8m cap is very good if true. I had heard on one radio program that his base was $9m + $9m upfront bonus or about $11m cap. $8 m can be covered by JJ and Leinert cut's + 2011 base for Arian. I'm not writing off Mario yet.

djohn2oo8
03-06-2012, 03:09 PM
Is that Foster signing the deal.

yes

Wolf
03-06-2012, 03:35 PM
Running back Arian Foster re-signed with the Houston Texans on Tuesday and after, he answered questions from the media at a Reliant Stadium press conference. The following is a transcript of his interview.

Running back Arian Foster
(opening statement) ďFirst, I want to thank my offensive line, and my organization, and my coaching staff and everybody in this city, the fans that have showed me so much support and so much love. Once again, I want to thank my offensive line because they made me look a little better than I am. I made sure and told them that, each individually. Iím extremely excited that we were able to come to terms and get a long-term deal done because I love this city. I love this organization. Itís a first-class organization. Mr. Bob McNair, our general manger Rick Smith, our head coach Gary Kubiak, theyíve all shown me so much support ever since I set foot as an undrafted free agent in Houston. I wasnít sure where I was going to go. They gave me a chance. Thatís all that you can ask for in this lifetime. With that being said, Iím excited about the future. Iím excited about doing my best as a Houston Texan and bring a ring to Houston. I want to thank everybody.Ē



(on his agent saying this was a stressful time for him and what the last few days have been like) ďI wouldnít call it stressful. Itís nerve-racking. Itís tough to handle when your future is kind of out of your hands. You donít know what the club wants to do. You donít know what your next move is going to be. Like everything I do in my life, I let it pan out and I react to it. Thatís all you can really do.Ē

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Arian-Foster-press-conference/fa50f3ff-f6e4-4c13-a177-56442e9b121f

Nawzer
03-06-2012, 04:16 PM
Really liked his press conference. Money is not going to change this guy's perspective on life. Glad to have him on board with us long term.

drs23
03-06-2012, 04:16 PM
That man is world class: CLASS.

jaayteetx
03-06-2012, 04:18 PM
That man is world class: CLASS.

Agreed.:goodpost:

tamericus
03-06-2012, 05:31 PM
The video from the press conference is up on the Texans website:

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/LIVE-Arian-Foster-press-conference/24758038-5d2c-4997-b732-32029605bf29#?id=6062d00b-20be-47a2-8b38-6a56098459fd

pissknocker
03-06-2012, 06:00 PM
damn! Arian made me cry at my desk at work.

DexmanC
03-06-2012, 06:12 PM
Is that Foster signing the deal.

It's his twin brother, Drizzy.

TheMatrix31
03-06-2012, 06:18 PM
"First, I want to thank my offensive line."


Sick.

ThaShark316
03-06-2012, 06:19 PM
That's my running back. http://static.bbmp3.com/smilies/sadto.gif

Norg
03-06-2012, 08:20 PM
I no likey i dont care how good any RB is u dont pay a Running back that kind of Money IMO

look at the last few SB teams

Pats and Giants ...not really a supestar runner

packers and steelers ... no running games either

Carr Bombed
03-06-2012, 08:33 PM
I no likey i dont care how good any RB is u dont pay a Running back that kind of Money IMO

look at the last few SB teams

Pats and Giants ...not really a supestar runner

packers and steelers ... no running games either

:rolleyes: Look at the QBs of those teams.... It has nothing to do with them not spending money on the running back position. If they had a RB like Foster, they would spend money on a back. The reason only reason why they haven't is because they don' have that guy. Players like Foster don't grow on trees. Our RB almost single handedly carried us into the AFC Championship game without our QB. He's worth the money. A player who accounts for 140 yards of offense and a TD a game is WELL WORTH that money. And when the cap increases next year we can more than afford his cap hit as well.

Wolf
03-06-2012, 08:39 PM
So glad they locked him up, after seeing his performance in the playoffs.

We knew he was going to get PAID

He makes this offense go around

Ryan
03-06-2012, 09:09 PM
I no likey i dont care how good any RB is u dont pay a Running back that kind of Money IMO

look at the last few SB teams

Pats and Giants ...not really a supestar runner

packers and steelers ... no running games either


And the Pats haven't won a super bowl since they last had a 1,000 yard rusher(Corey Dillon). Giants/Packers/Steelers all have/had reliable backs that can pick up yards when they need them too, but they also all have elite QBs so that's not as necessary most of the time.


Don't buy into everything ESPN tells you all the time. Form your own opinions and honestly tell me that we would have been as good as we were last year without Arian Foster. I think you should already have that answer.

EllisUnit
03-06-2012, 10:02 PM
I no likey i dont care how good any RB is u dont pay a Running back that kind of Money IMO

look at the last few SB teams

Pats and Giants ...not really a supestar runner

packers and steelers ... no running games either

Seriously......... the guy is the type of running back you only find one of every 10 years. Yes he is that good. We will have him through his prime. He will "Help" bring this team and A.J a few superbowl rings.

Corrosion
03-07-2012, 12:09 AM
I no likey i dont care how good any RB is u dont pay a Running back that kind of Money IMO

look at the last few SB teams

Pats and Giants ...not really a supestar runner

packers and steelers ... no running games either

Compared to the deals AP and CJ2YPC got .... the Texans got a bargin ....

What makes this Texans offense so good is its balance. The run works off the pass jsut as much as the pass works off of the run. Foster is a huge part of that balance.

Dutchrudder
03-07-2012, 12:15 AM
After two years starting:

AP = 3494 total yards
CJ = 3997
JC = 3352
Rice = 3817
MJD = 3406
Foster = 4061

Good investment.

steelbtexan
03-07-2012, 12:54 AM
I no likey i dont care how good any RB is u dont pay a Running back that kind of Money IMO

look at the last few SB teams

Pats and Giants ...not really a supestar runner

packers and steelers ... no running games either

Glad to see your spelling is getting better.

ObsiWan
03-07-2012, 02:18 AM
I no likey i dont care how good any RB is u dont pay a Running back that kind of Money IMO

look at the last few SB teams

Pats and Giants ...not really a supestar runner

packers and steelers ... no running games either

Compared to the deals AP and CJ2YPC got .... the Texans got a bargin ....

What makes this Texans offense so good is its balance. The run works off the pass jsut as much as the pass works off of the run. Foster is a huge part of that balance.

You pay what it takes to make sure the key to your offense stays on your team.
The key to the Steelers' offense is Big Ben.
The key to the Pats' offense is Brady.
The key to the Packers' offense is Rodgers.
The key to the Giants' offense is Eli.

The key to the Texans' offense is Foster. The threat of him busting one makes the defense peek in the backfield to see if he's getting the ball. When they take that "peek", that gives A.J. a step against double coverage.... it gives Schaub an extra split second to throw or makes his slow-as-molasses rollouts work.

You pay the key to your offense.

Lurvinator11
03-07-2012, 02:58 AM
Glad to see your spelling is getting better.

Haaaaaaa....

thunderkyss
03-07-2012, 09:03 AM
I no likey i dont care how good any RB is u dont pay a Running back that kind of Money IMO

look at the last few SB teams

Pats and Giants ...not really a supestar runner

packers and steelers ... no running games either

So how much money do you pay a running back?

thunderkyss
03-07-2012, 09:05 AM
And the Pats haven't won a super bowl since they last had a 1,000 yard rusher(Corey Dillon). Giants/Packers/Steelers all have/had reliable backs that can pick up yards when they need them too, but they also all have elite QBs so that's not as necessary most of the time.


Don't buy into everything ESPN tells you all the time. Form your own opinions and honestly tell me that we would have been as good as we were last year without Arian Foster. I think you should already have that answer.

I think we lost to New Orleans because we couldn't run the ball & control the clock. If we had Arian that day (& he was on his game) we'd have easily beat them in Nawlins.

mussop
03-07-2012, 02:10 PM
:rolleyes: Look at the QBs of those teams.... It has nothing to do with them not spending money on the running back position. If they had a RB like Foster, they would spend money on a back. The reason only reason why they haven't is because they don' have that guy. Players like Foster don't grow on trees. Our RB almost single handedly carried us into the AFC Championship game without our QB. He's worth the money. A player who accounts for 140 yards of offense and a TD a game is WELL WORTH that money. And when the cap increases next year we can more than afford his cap hit as well.

No one knows for sure but there is word that the cap might not go up next year. *my Comment has nothing to do with Foster or his contract.

J_R
03-07-2012, 07:19 PM
.....
The details are in (http://hou.scout.com/a.z?s=116&p=9&c=2&cid=1165233&nid=6157213&fhn=1) on Houston Texans Pro Bowl running back Arian Foster's $43.5 million contract that includes nearly $21 million in guaranteed money.

According to a league source, Foster received a $12.5 million signing bonus.

Foster's annual average is $8.7 million.

The deal includs base salaries of $5 million in 2012 and $5.25 million in 2013 with both years guaranteed for skill, injury and cap.

His base salaries are $5.75 million in 2014, $6 million in 2015 and $6.5 million in 2016, the final year of his deal.

The contract includes a roster bonus of $406,250 in 2012 with $31,250 for every game that he's active.

There are roster bonus of $500,000 apiece in 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016 with the same stipulation regarding him being paid $31,250 for every game that he's active.

In terms of the guaranteed money at signing, including bonus and salary guaranteed for skill, injury and cap, here's how some recent running back deals stack up: DeAngelo Williams ($21 million), Foster ($20.75 million), Adrian Peterson ($20.25 million) and Chris Johnson ($13 million).

A former undrafted free agent from Tennessee, Foster was a restricted free agent.

The contract is similar to the Williams deal signed last year as an unrestricted free agent.

Williams signed a $43 million deal that included $21 million guaranteed through a $16 million bonus

mattieuk
03-07-2012, 09:11 PM
I'm not a fan of giving RBs big deals.

Usually.

This time, I'm freaking elated. I think it is great deal for both sides. Arian gets his deserved contract and a couple of rings to boot - and the Texans get the perfect running back for the system, and doesn't get ravished financially, and keep their cap in tact.

chenjy9
03-07-2012, 09:55 PM
.....

I am confused... does this mean his hit on the cap is $8.7 million or $5.75 million for 2012?

infantrycak
03-07-2012, 09:59 PM
I am confused... does this mean his hit on the cap is $8.7 million or $5.75 million for 2012?

It is the $5 mil 2012 salary plus one fifth of the $12.5 signing bonus. So $7.5 mil on the cap in 2012.

chenjy9
03-07-2012, 10:01 PM
It is the $5 mil 2012 salary plus one fifth of the $12.5 signing bonus. So $7.5 mil on the cap in 2012.

Ok thanks!