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redwhiteblue
02-22-2012, 05:22 AM
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

amazing80
02-22-2012, 06:22 AM
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.


How did you sign 2 people but account for 4? The problem with OD and Ryans is they are too expensive to cut and too soon to restructure. Our biggest issue is our draft picks are starting to pan out and their contracts are expiring and we continue to sign contracts with ballooning salaries. I dont see how you sign our top free agents and quality depth signings and then dish out 10+ million for Mario.

redwhiteblue
02-22-2012, 06:57 AM
How did you sign 2 people but account for 4? The problem with OD and Ryans is they are too expensive to cut and too soon to restructure. Our biggest issue is our draft picks are starting to pan out and their contracts are expiring and we continue to sign contracts with ballooning salaries. I dont see how you sign our top free agents and quality depth signings and then dish out 10+ million for Mario.


While I agree the texans need to plan for their future free agents, I don't think they can pass on doing everything the can for Mario and foster and their O Line right now. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Anything can happen between now and then

2slik4u
02-22-2012, 07:25 AM
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

Not sure if this accurate or not but this is an extremely well thought out post for a newbie. Good post. Rep.

Maddict5
02-22-2012, 08:06 AM
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

where are you getting your figures?

not trying to be an ass but i just want to see how accurate that is. I presume those are salary figures you used? what about prorated bonuses etc from restructured contracts from previous yrs etc?

i dont think any fan can come up with an accurate cap figure when we dont have info like that available to us

Mike77015
02-22-2012, 08:22 AM
Only fault I see is that you lost two player signings after 7 spots remained.

redwhiteblue
02-22-2012, 09:01 AM
where are you getting your figures?

not trying to be an ass but i just want to see how accurate that is. I presume those are salary figures you used? what about prorated bonuses etc from restructured contracts from previous yrs etc?

i dont think any fan can come up with an accurate cap figure when we dont have info like that available to us

Yeah I tried to explain in the intro that these numbers could be way off. The site had two different numbers listed, the salary and the cap hit that includes bonuses. I used the cap hit number and like you said us outside the organization will never know the true numbers, but I was just trying to crunch some numbers and do a fun experiment to help pass the time while we wait for all the texans off season moves to start. I would like to keep Mario and foster and Myers and brisiel and was just trying to see if that was even close to a reality

redwhiteblue
02-22-2012, 09:01 AM
Only fault I see is that you lost two player signings after 7 spots remained.

Yeah I messed that up, my mistake.

redwhiteblue
02-22-2012, 09:03 AM
Not sure if this accurate or not but this is an extremely well thought out post for a newbie. Good post. Rep.

Thanks

Maddict5
02-22-2012, 10:29 AM
Yeah I tried to explain in the intro that these numbers could be way off. The site had two different numbers listed, the salary and the cap hit that includes bonuses. I used the cap hit number and like you said us outside the organization will never know the true numbers, but I was just trying to crunch some numbers and do a fun experiment to help pass the time while we wait for all the texans off season moves to start. I would like to keep Mario and foster and Myers and brisiel and was just trying to see if that was even close to a reality

well if it is fairly accurate, i dont see how we dont sign everybody we want back (although tbh ive thought we would resign mario, arian and myers all along and this salary cap pressure we're supposedly under is overhyped filler 'news')


also am i missing something or does is seem pretty easy to resign nearly everyone after reading that? i presume the $3m cap space is what we have currently (ie 2011 salary cap figures)?

if that is the case it should not be that difficult to resign everybody?

Current cap space-> 3m
Restructure JJoe, Demeco & OD like aj suggests-> at least $10m
Cut JJ, Leinart-> most of 7m
Mario, Myers, other FA's etc 2011 cap figure coming off the books->at least 15m

thats at least 35m (even with conservative estimates of potential cap savings without mentioning any increase to the 2012 cap or extensions to guys like schaub & duane that would reduce their cap hits) which should be plenty to lock down all our key guys

what am i missing?

Bubbajwp
02-22-2012, 10:50 AM
Remember we need a few million for rookies also.

NCTexan
02-22-2012, 10:53 AM
Remember we need a few million for rookies also.

He didn't. He got the extra money back from cutting some people.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

SteveSlaton20
02-22-2012, 11:09 AM
Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

No thanks, we need to go after a new kicker.

ObsiWan
02-22-2012, 12:09 PM
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

Now this is a "Let's play GM" post even I can follow. I don't know how accurate the salary numbers are but they don't look too off-base to me.
This looks much more logical than repeatedly yelling "We can't afford everyone!!" I like this since it shows, definitively, why we're close to the edge.

+1

Playoffs
02-22-2012, 12:21 PM
Yep, most definitive outline of the very murky cap conundrum. Rep.

amazing80
02-22-2012, 03:46 PM
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

This is possible, BUT his salary balloons to over 9 million the 3rd season and over 11 million in his 6th season, not very smart considering the massive deals already in place.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Not bad here. This would be a great deal.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

The top kickers in the league range from 3-4 million PER against the salary, I am not sure if he takes that little amount.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/kicker/

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Again, not sure he would sign for this low of a number. Id say at minimum it would be closer to 1 million. He plays a lot and is versatile on special teams.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

I think he signs closer to 9 million a season, but maybe we convince him to take less. That would be between D Williams and C Johnsons deal.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

I hate this because you're assuming they agree to it. They have no reason to re-do their deals and are too costly to just cut. We have no leverage over them to re-structure.



So assuming my numbers, you have 5 million left with 3 roster spots left. You need to replace J Jones, Leinart, and Graham, and even if you draft to replace them, you have 3 wholes on your team. So for 5 million and 3 roster spots, you will NOT be able to sign Mario.....

Mr teX
02-22-2012, 03:49 PM
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

they aren't restructuring Joseph's contract 1 year in.

Big Lou
02-22-2012, 04:11 PM
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.
Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

I'm pretty sure we get additional funds to sign Draft Picks.

Also are you accounting for the dead money in the contracts of th cut players. They don't count straight against the cap, some money stays on the book as dead cap money.

amazing80
02-22-2012, 04:20 PM
I'm pretty sure we get additional funds to sign Draft Picks.

Also are you accounting for the dead money in the contracts of th cut players. They don't count straight against the cap, some money stays on the book as dead cap money.


Yes and no. There is a rookie salary within the team salary, but if the rookie is within the top 51 paid players on their team then the salary and bonuses count towards the whole salary cap. If they are NOT the top 51 paid players on the team than ONLY their bonuses count against the cap.


Now consider a third-round draft pick for the same team. He signs a four-year contract with minimum base salaries and a signing bonus of $700,000. His first-year cap number would be $485,000, consisting of his $310,000 base salary and his $175,000 bonus proration. All $485,000 would count against his team's rookie pool and against his team's salary cap. However, by assuming his place in the team's top 51 cap numbers, he knocks the player with a $400,000 cap number ($385,000 base salary) out of the team's top 51. For that player, his base salary no longer counts against the cap, leaving only the other $15,000 counting against the cap. The net result is that the team's cap room is reduced by only $100,000 — the draftee's $485,000 is charged against the cap, but the second-year player's $385,000 base salary no longer is.

http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2009/04/rookie-pool-and-salary-cap.html

Dutchrudder
02-22-2012, 05:16 PM
A for effort OP, plenty around here have done the same and come up with about the same numbers given public information. However, the question has been somewhat resolved by John Clayton, who claims we have 3.3 million here:

The Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers didn't have enough remaining room to push money over into 2012, so Houston has $3.3 million of cap space and San Diego has $9.2 million.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7570116/nfl-plenty-cap-room-improve

We simply don't know enough about the details of the Texans' contracts to pinpoint their cap numbers. We know reports of players restructuring deals last year pushed money into 2012 and beyond, but nobody outside the Texans FO knows how much got moved. We also don't know exactly what dead money they owe this year, or exactly how much each contract escalates. It's all guesswork with rotoword, spottrac or whatever you're using. In any case, it looks like Rick has a lot of work to do.

ArlingtonTexan
02-22-2012, 05:27 PM
A for effort OP, plenty around here have done the same and come up with about the same numbers given public information. However, the question has been somewhat resolved by John Clayton, who claims we have 3.3 million here:



http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7570116/nfl-plenty-cap-room-improve

We simply don't know enough about the details of the Texans' contracts to pinpoint their cap numbers. We know reports of players restructuring deals last year pushed money into 2012 and beyond, but nobody outside the Texans FO knows how much got moved. We also don't know exactly what dead money they owe this year, or exactly how much each contract escalates. It's all guesswork with rotoword, spottrac or whatever you're using. In any case, it looks like Rick has a lot of work to do.

This is posting is accurate. I appreciate the attempt by the OP (like a fact based attempt), but almost every guy who does this for a living has the Texans under 10 million (no additional roster cuts), so the 20 plus million amount seems like a lack of accurate information more than anything.

ChampionTexan
02-22-2012, 05:48 PM
they aren't restructuring Joseph's contract 1 year in.

They restructured DeMeco's after one year, and Pittsburgh just did Lawrence Timmons and Lamar Woodley after a year.

The earlier into the contract, the easier it is to restructure, and the more potential it has to generate cap room in the year it's restructured. Lots of restructures have no negative economic impact, and some even have a slight favorable impact on the player (In Timmons case, he will actually receive $1.925 Million of what was originally 2012 base salary as a bonus before the season starts).

I firmly believe that some contracts are written specifically to allow for easy restructure in the first year or two.

Maddict5
02-22-2012, 05:51 PM
they aren't restructuring Joseph's contract 1 year in.

restructuring is just shifting garunteed money and salary- the actual total amound paid out remains the same

no players is going to turn down getting their salary in march over getting it sept-dec, 1 yr into a contract or 4 yrs its shouldnt matter. renegotiating is a totally different matter

ChampionTexan
02-22-2012, 06:06 PM
This is posting is accurate. I appreciate the attempt by the OP (like a fact based attempt), but almost every guy who does this for a living has the Texans under 10 million (no additional roster cuts), so the 20 plus million amount seems like a lack of accurate information more than anything.

Another example that this is extremely difficult and complex even for connected guys like Clayton was pointed out in the last day or two by KC General Manager Scott Pioli.

Just FYI, the players the article is referring to are Duane Bowe, and Brandon Carr, and the $63 Million cap number came from Clayton.
Some would say the Chiefs have more than enough cap room to sign both guys. But Pioli explained that the $63 million number recently publicized doesn’t reflect incentives and escalators from 2011 that hit the cap in 2012. He said that roughly $25 million will be consumed by such payments, which puts the real cap bulge in the neighborhood of $38 million.
LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/21/pioli-says-chiefs-hope-to-re-sign-carr-bowe/)

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm gonna guess that whatever the Texans "Incentives and escalators from 2011" are, nobody on this board has correctly factored them in when doing their own estimates/calculations.

Dutchrudder
02-22-2012, 06:18 PM
Another example that this is extremely difficult and complex even for connected guys like Clayton was pointed out in the last day or two by KC General Manager Scott Pioli.

Just FYI, the players the article is referring to are Duane Bowe, and Brandon Carr, and the $63 Million cap number came from Clayton.

LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/21/pioli-says-chiefs-hope-to-re-sign-carr-bowe/)

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm gonna guess that whatever the Texans "Incentives and escalators from 2011" are, nobody on this board has correctly factored them in when doing their own estimates/calculations.

I'm racking my brain trying to figure out how the hell the Chiefs paid 25 million in incentives. That team was bad and didn't make the playoffs, it must have been for games started or something. They sent 2 guys to the probowl, nobody made all-pro, and they had a bunch of injuries. I just don't know how they pay out that much in one bad year.

ChampionTexan
02-22-2012, 06:30 PM
I'm racking my brain trying to figure out how the hell the Chiefs paid 25 million in incentives. That team was bad and didn't make the playoffs, it must have been for games started or something. They sent 2 guys to the probowl, nobody made all-pro, and they had a bunch of injuries. I just don't know how they pay out that much in one bad year.

Maybe Pioli's lieing through his teeth (he was brought up in the Bill Belichick school of football you know), but the point is that given the complexities, and the unreliability of information available to the vast majority of us, it's probably kind of a fool's errand to try to figure this out yourself.

(and if anybody wonders what I mean by the unreliability of the information available, compare Jacoby's 2011 base salary amount on Spotrac to the paragraph 5 minimum salary for 4-6 year veterans as reflected in the current CBA). (Hint - his 2011 base salary reflected on Spotrac is more than $200,000 below the minimum for a player with his tenure).

thunderkyss
02-22-2012, 08:14 PM
Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

Looks good to me...... except, I don't think we'll have to go with an $8M cap number for Arian, or a $12M cap number for Mario. I'm thinking closer to $6M for Arian, closer to $10M for Mario.

Remember, I'm talking about cap number, not "avg value" of the contract, or guaranteed money. The money they're paid over the first 2 or 3 years is rarely reflected in their cap numbers.

thunderkyss
02-22-2012, 08:19 PM
This is posting is accurate. I appreciate the attempt by the OP (like a fact based attempt), but almost every guy who does this for a living has the Texans under 10 million (no additional roster cuts), so the 20 plus million amount seems like a lack of accurate information more than anything.

"Everyone" assumes they are going by contracts that are still on the books until March 13, including Mario.

The OP stated he is only counting the contracts of 44 players..... not 53.

I don't know if he's using 2011 salaries or 2012..... like Dutch said.... nobody knows the 2012 numbers, so he has to be using 2011 numbers, which we know won't carry over.

badboy
02-23-2012, 03:35 PM
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.If the Texans are going to sign only 4 draft picks I hope they use the other 3 picks to trade. I have not seen any projections of a Texans player's contract going up tremendously in 2012. There will some increase over all but should not stop them from doing what they want.

Dutchrudder
02-23-2012, 05:16 PM
If the Texans are going to sign only 4 draft picks I hope they use the other 3 picks to trade. I have not seen any projections of a Texans player's contract going up tremendously in 2012. There will some increase over all but should not stop them from doing what they want.

I hadn't really thought about it before, but I wonder how much cap space the Texans could save by trading out of the 1st and using 5-7th picks to move up their 2-4 picks. Might help pinch some pennies in a cap crunch.

redwhiteblue
02-28-2012, 01:31 PM
these were the numbers I had for 2012
Player Salary Cap Hit
J Joseph $7.250 $9.750
M Schaub $7.150 $8.316
A Johnson $6.500 $9.328
O Daniels $6.500 $6.500
D Ryans $5.900 $7.150
A Smith $5.500 $8.000
E Winston $5.500 $5.500
D Manning $5.000 $5.000
J Jones $4.791 $4.941
K Walter $3.500 $3.500
M Leinart $3.000 $3.000
S Cody $2.250 $2.250
W Smith $2.000 $2.000
R. Butler $1.533 $2.158
B Cushing $1.153 $2.359
JJ Watt $0.856 $2.524
D Brown $0.781 $1.362
K Jackson $0.700 $2.013
G Quin $0.565 $0.607
C Barwin $0.565 $0.917
A Caldwell $0.565 $0.766
J Casey $0.565 $0.611
T Jamison $0.565 $0.569
B McCain $0.565 $0.591
B Harris $0.546 $0.771
B Reed $0.546 $0.884
E Mitchell $0.490 $0.899
D Sharpton $0.490 $0.624
G Graham $0.490 $0.821
S McManis $0.490 $0.538
S Smith $0.490 $0.516
B Tate $0.490 $0.490
R Carmichael $0.490 $0.589
D Newton $0.465 $0.489
TJ Yates $0.465 $0.511
J Nading $0.555
S Keo $0.555
T Nolan $0.565
B Braman $0.490
M Alexander $0.490
B Hartmann $0.490
L Jean $0.490
J Maehl $0.490
A Gardner $0.490

badboy
02-28-2012, 01:49 PM
I hadn't really thought about it before, but I wonder how much cap space the Texans could save by trading out of the 1st and using 5-7th picks to move up their 2-4 picks. Might help pinch some pennies in a cap crunch.Not as much as under previous CBA but I have advocated that type savings before. This draft could be a real significant chance of seeing a trade back. Konz, Poe, Hightower and some others who could be there would be worth losing to pick up another 2nd and 3rd +maybe a 2013 pick. I'm hoping Tannehill or maybe Hill is there & someone will offer a high package for #26.

badboy
02-28-2012, 01:51 PM
Hope that amount on Jacoby is correct as it adds more $ to my cut him scenario. He and Leinert = a re-signed Foster.

Playoffs
02-28-2012, 02:02 PM
PFT now reporting cap may be lower than most expected.

Grams
02-29-2012, 06:29 AM
2012 “top 51″ cap numbers, as of February 28
Posted by Mike Florio on February 28, 2012, 11:15 PM EST
[Editor's note: The following list reflects salary cap numbers for the top 51 players currently under contract with each team. It does not include potential cap carryover from 2011. For those numbers, click here.]

Raiders: $145.7 million.

Giants: $129.1 million.

Panthers: $128.5 million.

Cowboys: $124.3 million.

Lions: $123.0 million.

Jets: $120.9 million.

Packers: $120.7 million.

Steelers: $120.5 million.

Texans: $118.9 million.

Rams: $118.0 million.

Cardinals: $117.7 million.

Ravens: $116.3 million.

Vikings: $116.0 million.

Eagles: $112.8 million.

Chargers: $112.8 million.

Dolphins: $112.7 million.

Seahawks: $110.0 million.

Saints: $109.6 million.

Chiefs: $108.9 million.

Colts: $107.5 million.

Jaguars: $107.3 million.

49ers: $105.9 million.

Bills: $104.7 million.

Browns: $103.4 million.

Patriots: $102.6 million.

Bears: $101.9 million.

Falcons: $101.5 million.

Broncos: $98.7 million.

Titans: $94.5 million.

Redskins: $93.5 million.

Buccaneers: $92.7 million.

Bengals: $83.5 million.

El Tejano
02-29-2012, 07:34 AM
Hope that amount on Jacoby is correct as it adds more $ to my cut him scenario. He and Leinert = a re-signed Foster.

I quoted this because I tend to agree with it. However, I don't remember if Bryant Johnson was brought in during the preseason or during the regular season. If during the regular season, I believe he showed some promise that if given a full offseason to work with our QBs he would actually have better hands to be better than Jacoby and Demps showed enough on the return duties IMO.

redwhiteblue
02-29-2012, 07:36 AM
mario williams is still under contract

Playoffs
02-29-2012, 08:35 AM
Raiders 75% higher than Bengals ... wow.

badboy
02-29-2012, 08:47 AM
I think it is interesting to note that Texans signed 2011 picks, handled escalating deals and went strong in free agency to sign 2 high dollars starters yet did not have to use the new CBA's tool allowing team to borrow $3million from a future year.

ckhouston
02-29-2012, 09:50 AM
I quoted this because I tend to agree with it. However, I don't remember if Bryant Johnson was brought in during the preseason or during the regular season. If during the regular season, I believe he showed some promise that if given a full offseason to work with our QBs he would actually have better hands to be better than Jacoby and Demps showed enough on the return duties IMO.

Bryant Johnson qualifies for AARP. :specnatz: Isn't he old?

badboy
02-29-2012, 10:17 AM
Bryant Johnson qualifies for AARP. :specnatz: Isn't he old?6 for 90 yds turns 31 next week and is a 2012 free agent. Doubt he wil be here.


http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-sign-receiver-Bryant-Johnson-2146543.php

thunderkyss
02-29-2012, 06:15 PM
these were the numbers I had for 2012
Player Salary Cap Hit
J Joseph $7.250 $9.750
M Schaub $7.150 $8.316
A Johnson $6.500 $9.328
O Daniels $6.500 $6.500
D Ryans $5.900 $7.150
A Smith $5.500 $8.000
E Winston $5.500 $5.500
D Manning $5.000 $5.000
J Jones $4.791 $4.941
K Walter $3.500 $3.500
M Leinart $3.000 $3.000
S Cody $2.250 $2.250
W Smith $2.000 $2.000
R. Butler $1.533 $2.158
B Cushing $1.153 $2.359
JJ Watt $0.856 $2.524
D Brown $0.781 $1.362
K Jackson $0.700 $2.013
G Quin $0.565 $0.607
C Barwin $0.565 $0.917
A Caldwell $0.565 $0.766
J Casey $0.565 $0.611
T Jamison $0.565 $0.569
B McCain $0.565 $0.591
B Harris $0.546 $0.771
B Reed $0.546 $0.884
E Mitchell $0.490 $0.899
D Sharpton $0.490 $0.624
G Graham $0.490 $0.821
S McManis $0.490 $0.538
S Smith $0.490 $0.516
B Tate $0.490 $0.490
R Carmichael $0.490 $0.589
D Newton $0.465 $0.489
TJ Yates $0.465 $0.511
J Nading $0.555
S Keo $0.555
T Nolan $0.565
B Braman $0.490
M Alexander $0.490
B Hartmann $0.490
L Jean $0.490
J Maehl $0.490
A Gardner $0.490

That's only $101.469M, for 44 players, we should have no problem signing anyone.

But, according to Charlie Palilo, we are only $7M under the cap without our FA..... we (or someone) must be looking at something wrong.

redwhiteblue
02-29-2012, 08:04 PM
That's only $101.469M, for 44 players, we should have no problem signing anyone.

But, according to Charlie Palilo, we are only $7M under the cap without our FA..... we (or someone) must be looking at something wrong.

I believe profootball talk said we are $7million under the cap right now, but all the texans players are still under contract until march 13.

amazing80
03-04-2012, 04:22 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1087910-texans-free-agency-tracking-2012-signings-targets-and-rumors#/articles/1087910-texans-free-agency-tracking-2012-signings-targets-and-rumors/page/3



Spotrac, the popular contract tracking website, lists the Texans at having $96,801,485 counting against the salary cap in 2012. With a likely cap of $125 million, that means the Texans have nearly $30 million in cap room for 2012.


This would make sense if we account for all expiring contracts including Marios 18 plus million


It goes on to say that we could cut Jones, Leinart and Walter and have ANOTHER 11 plus million. This would leave enough money to sign Mario, Foster, Myers, Barwin, Brown and have money left to sign a legit wide out

Lurvinator11
03-04-2012, 04:26 PM
If this is true, we need to act quick.

Lucky
03-04-2012, 04:31 PM
Merged salary cap threads. If another internet genius thinks he knows what's up with the Texans cap situation, link it here.

amazing80
03-04-2012, 07:06 PM
Merged salary cap threads. If another internet genius thinks he knows what's up with the Texans cap situation, link it here.

Ouch

alphajoker
03-10-2012, 07:57 AM
I read that official salary cap numbers were coming out March 9. Has anyone seen anything official released yet?

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/official-2012-salary-cap-numbers-to-be-released-friday/

ChampionTexan
03-10-2012, 09:44 AM
I read that official salary cap numbers were coming out March 9. Has anyone seen anything official released yet?

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/official-2012-salary-cap-numbers-to-be-released-friday/

We’re still working out cap details with the union,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said via email Saturday morning. “The teams will receive the numbers as soon as everything is completed.
LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/three-days-until-free-agency-still-no-cap-number/)

alphajoker
03-10-2012, 11:10 AM
LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/three-days-until-free-agency-still-no-cap-number/)

Cool, thanks.

badboy
03-10-2012, 04:10 PM
I am definitely not a mathmetician but NFL allowed Texans 2011 cap regardless of what it was and we lose Mario's cap hit regardless of what it was; doesn't that mean we have Mario's 2011 cap to use, regardless?

thunderkyss
03-10-2012, 07:39 PM
I am definitely not a mathmetician but NFL allowed Texans 2011 cap regardless of what it was and we lose Mario's cap hit regardless of what it was; doesn't that mean we have Mario's 2011 cap to use, regardless?

You would think. But, keep in mind most players contracts will escalate for the 2012 season... that's just the way it works.

Then we've got dead money from the guys we cut after June 1st.

Then we just signed Arian to an $8M 2012 cap.

After the uncapped year, the CBA lowered the cap. I read somewhere, that the Texans were expecting the cap to go up (at least back to pre uncapped year numbers) but it doesn't appear to be.

I'm really beginning to think the Texans are truly in a pickle.

badboy
03-11-2012, 09:47 PM
You would think. But, keep in mind most players contracts will escalate for the 2012 season... that's just the way it works.

Then we've got dead money from the guys we cut after June 1st.

Then we just signed Arian to an $8M 2012 cap.

After the uncapped year, the CBA lowered the cap. I read somewhere, that the Texans were expecting the cap to go up (at least back to pre uncapped year numbers) but it doesn't appear to be.

I'm really beginning to think the Texans are truly in a pickle.Most think JJ & Leinert are gone and that's about $7m cap + Foster's 2011 makes Foster's new deal mute. Mario's $20m can sign him, Myers and Briesel. Other players likie Jason Allen, Dominque Barber, Delhomme, Jeff Garcia, Bryant Johnson, etc. can be gone and all dollars add up. That does not include an re-done contracts.

tak3ov3r
03-11-2012, 11:37 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-march-11/related/

Texans: $4.7 million over the cap atm

redwhiteblue
03-12-2012, 01:48 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-march-11/related/

Texans: $4.7 million over the cap atm

Mario's $18 million comes off the books in two days

ObsiWan
03-12-2012, 02:08 AM
Mario's $18 million comes off the books in two days

so will all the salaries of our other soon-to-be free agents...
what's yer point?
:texflag:

thunderkyss
03-12-2012, 09:08 AM
so will all the salaries of our other soon-to-be free agents...
what's yer point?
:texflag:

I think he is saying our situation is not as dire as it would appear. Mario's contract will free up $18M by itself.

Section516
03-12-2012, 09:36 AM
When does JJones/Leinarts salary become "locked in" for the 2012 season? I expected them to be cut already.

amazing80
03-12-2012, 09:41 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-march-11/related/

Texans: $4.7 million over the cap atm

This INCLUDES Foster deal too......

badboy
03-12-2012, 09:53 AM
When does JJones/Leinarts salary become "locked in" for the 2012 season? I expected them to be cut already.516 I don't think either are guaranteed so they can come off any time for team's convenience.

Section516
03-12-2012, 10:02 AM
Sweet. I was worried about it getting locked in. If JJ being cut can really save in the mid 4 mil range, and Leinart 2m, has to be done, no?

XI CMURDER IX
03-12-2012, 10:08 AM
Sweet. I was worried about it getting locked in. If JJ being cut can really save in the mid 4 mil range, and Leinart 2m, has to be done, no?

I would expect JJ to be gone. Not sure about Leinart though, he can compete for the second spot still.

EDIT: Also, would cutting Kevin Walter put a lot of dead money in the salary for this coming year? I think there might be better options in free agency for around the same amount of money...

Grams
03-12-2012, 10:37 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-march-11/related/

Texans: $4.7 million over the cap atm

I take this to mean that with contracts for the 2012 league year right now - we are still over the new cap number for 2012.

I also take this as Mario does not count anything to the 2012 league year or any other player that will be a free agent tomorrow has any $$ included in the 4.7 mill over the cap figure.

So we are over the cap already and still need to sign a center (Myers) a guard (briesel) and others.

We are in deep dirt Francis.

badboy
03-12-2012, 10:43 AM
I would expect JJ to be gone. Not sure about Leinart though, he can compete for the second spot still.

EDIT: Also, would cutting Kevin Walter put a lot of dead money in the salary for this coming year? I think there might be better options in free agency for around the same amount of money...I expect Walter to remain on roster with his great hands, precise route running and very good blocking. I'd still like to pick up 2 WRs in draft.

WolverineFan
03-12-2012, 10:43 AM
I would expect JJ to be gone. Not sure about Leinart though, he can compete for the second spot still.

EDIT: Also, would cutting Kevin Walter put a lot of dead money in the salary for this coming year? I think there might be better options in free agency for around the same amount of money...

Best option would be to restructure Walter. He's a bit overpaid, but still a valuable cog to the team.

thunderkyss
03-12-2012, 10:45 AM
When does JJones/Leinarts salary become "locked in" for the 2012 season? I expected them to be cut already.

How are you going to cut Leinart when Schaub's health is still an issue? We don't know if he'll be ready to play week 1. We won't be going into the season with Tj & a rook as two of our three QBs.

thunderkyss
03-12-2012, 10:48 AM
I take this to mean that with contracts for the 2012 league year right now - we are still over the new cap number for 2012.

I also take this as Mario does not count anything to the 2012 league year or any other player that will be a free agent tomorrow has any $$ included in the 4.7 mill over the cap figure.

So we are over the cap already and still need to sign a center (Myers) a guard (briesel) and others.

We are in deep dirt Francis.

Not at all. He stated Sanchez restructure wasn't taken into account.

In fact, he explicitly stated:
the Vikings will have more space as of Monday, due to the termination of the contracts of several players.

Dutchrudder
03-12-2012, 10:56 AM
Not at all. He stated Sanchez restructure wasn't taken into account.

In fact, he explicitly stated:


Termination is not the same as expiration. Mario is an expiring contract, but the Vikings terminated, that is released/waived, those players. The Texans have not terminated any contracts that I know of.

The Vikings released left guard Steve Hutchinson, right guard Anthony Herrera and cornerback Cedric Griffin, saving more than $13 million for this year by jettisoning three players who've been in their starting lineup for the better part of the past five seasons or more.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7670067/minnesota-vikings-release-steve-hutchinson-anthony-herrera-cedric-griffin

XI CMURDER IX
03-12-2012, 04:28 PM
I expect Walter to remain on roster with his great hands, precise route running and very good blocking. I'd still like to pick up 2 WRs in draft.

Don't get me wrong, Walter is very good at what he does. However, with the money you could save from JJ and Walter combined you could get a really good player that can excel at both. Then you might also want to draft one.

I would like to see Walter restructure his deal though ideally, but I think he would have already if he was going to.

badboy
03-12-2012, 05:08 PM
Don't get me wrong, Walter is very good at what he does. However, with the money you could save from JJ and Walter combined you could get a really good player that can excel at both. Then you might also want to draft one.

I would like to see Walter restructure his deal though ideally, but I think he would have already if he was going to.I'm not too high on UDFA WRs. In my dream, I see Manning bringing Reggie Wayne here for 2-3 years and we draft either Floyd or Wright. Floyd to replace AJ eventually or Wright as perfect slot who can also be a flanker.

badboy
03-12-2012, 05:13 PM
How are you going to cut Leinart when Schaub's health is still an issue? We don't know if he'll be ready to play week 1. We won't be going into the season with Tj & a rook as two of our three QBs.I think a vet cheaper than Leinert can be signed to be 3rd string.

TEXANRED
03-12-2012, 06:58 PM
What I don't understand is how this team has had one year of success and are now in cap hell when teams that have been winning for 20 plus years are just fine.

If no one else will say it I will, Rick Smith is an awful GM. He had one good draft out of 6. This all falls on his shoulders and no one else's. If he could manage the cap better we wouldn't have to lose players that would keep us winning more than one season.

aussie_texan
03-12-2012, 07:05 PM
What I don't understand is how this team has had one year of success and are now in cap hell when teams that have been winning for 20 plus years are just fine.

If no one else will say it I will, Rick Smith is an awful GM. He had one good draft out of 6. This all falls on his shoulders and no one else's. If he could manage the cap better we wouldn't have to lose players that would keep us winning more than one season.

you can't be serious

TEXANRED
03-12-2012, 07:14 PM
you can't be serious

I am, look at our drafts from 2007 to 2011. One good draft. This team has continued to hang its hat on the 2006 draft. In fact I would go so far as to say that the only reason Gary or Smith still have a job is because of Wade Phillips being able to make chicken salad from chicken turds. Our secondary is still a hot mess but somehow Phillips made it work last year. Do you realize how many secondary personnel we have drafted over the last 6 years and still the best we could come up with is someone elses CB, a tandem team to start opposite JJO, and moving a starting CB to safety?

Smiths drafts and personnel decisions have been not just awful but God awful.

You can't tell me someone in his position shouldnt have seen this coming sooner and made plans for this sort of thing well in advance.

Allstar
03-12-2012, 07:19 PM
I am, look at our drafts from 2007 to 2011. One good draft. This team has continued to hang its hat on the 2006 draft. In fact I would go so far as to say that the only reason Gary or Smith still have a job is because of Wade Phillips being able to make chicken salad from chicken turds. Our secondary is still a hot mess but somehow Phillips made it work last year. Do you realize how many secondary personnel we have drafted over the last 6 years and still the best we could come up with is someone elses CB, a tandem team to start opposite JJO, and moving a starting CB to safety?

Smiths drafts and personnel decisions have been not just awful but God awful.

You can't tell me someone in his position shouldnt have seen this coming sooner and made plans for this sort of thing well in advance.

You can't be serious. Top to bottom, we have one of the best rosters in the NFL. That is all on Rick Smith.

Dutchrudder
03-12-2012, 07:20 PM
But we will have 30 million come off the books tomorrow!!!

:rolleyes:

steelbtexan
03-12-2012, 07:26 PM
You can't be serious. Top to bottom, we have one of the best rosters in the NFL. That is all on Rick Smith.

The 2006 draft was a great one. (Rick wasn't here)

2009, Great draft (Rick gets credit

2011 Great draft (Wades draft)

Rick has been subpar, overall not terrible but certianly not what you're making him out to be.

TEXANRED
03-12-2012, 07:30 PM
You can't be serious. Top to bottom, we have one of the best rosters in the NFL. That is all on Rick Smith.

We do but its not cus of Rick's drafting skills.


2007
Further information: 2007 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville
3/73 Jacoby Jones Wide receiver Lane
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State
[edit]2008
Further information:

2008 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State
[edit]

2009
Further information: 2009 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/15 Brian Cushing Linebacker Southern California
2/46 Connor Barwin Defensive end Cincinnati
3/77 Antoine Caldwell Center Alabama
4/112 Glover Quin Cornerback New Mexico
4/122 (from Minnesota) Anthony Hill Tight end North Carolina State
5/152 James Casey Tight end Rice
6/188 Brice McCain Cornerback Utah
7/223 Troy Nolan Safety Arizona State
[edit]

2010
Further information: 2010 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/20 Kareem Jackson Cornerback Alabama
2/58 (from New England) Ben Tate Running back Auburn
3/81 Earl Mitchell Defensive tackle Arizona
4/102 (from Kansas City) Darryl Sharpton Linebacker Miami (FL)
4/118 Garrett Graham Tight end Wisconsin
5/144 (from Kansas City) Sherrick McManis Cornerback Northwestern
6/187 Shelley Smith Offensive guard Colorado State
6/197 (from San Diego) Trindon Holliday Wide receiver LSU
7/227 Dorin Dickerson Tight end Pittsburgh
[edit]

2011
Further information: 2011 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/11 J. J. Watt Defensive End Wisconsin
2/42 Brooks Reed Linebacker Arizona
2/60 (from New England) Brandon Harris Cornerback Miami (FL)
4/127 (from Washington) Rashad Carmichael Cornerback Virginia Tech
5/144 (from Washington) Shiloh Keo Safety Idaho
5/152 (from Washington) T. J. Yates Quarterback North Carolina
7/214 Derek Newton Offensive tackle Arkansas State
7/254 Cheta Ozougwu Defensive end Rice

I bolded our starters. This is not a good drafting record combined with this salary cap mismanagement.......

But of course this is my opinion.

Allstar
03-12-2012, 07:33 PM
By no means am I defending Rick's drafting capabilities, all I'm saying is look at the state of our franchise and makeup of our team. Rick Smith is the GM, so he owns that. A terrible GM doesn't put together a team like ours.

aussie_texan
03-12-2012, 07:37 PM
2007


1/ Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville (Failed project, possibly due to coaching)
3/ Jacoby Jones Wide receiver Lane (Another project pick, is not a bad WR just not a #2)
4/ Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina (Meh)
5/ Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford (Meh)
5/ Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech (Meh)
6/ Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas (Good back up guard still with the team
7/ Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State (Good pick considering the value we got out of him)

2008

1 Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech (One of the best LT)
3 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky (Meh)
3 Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia (Good player injuries and victim of circumstance)
4 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech (Surprise cut last year he wasn't a bad player
5 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas (average player, decent value in the 5th)
6 Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota (Still a back up for the team
7 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State (...?)

2009

1 Brian Cushing Linebacker Southern California (one of the best ILB)
2 Connor Barwin Defensive end Cincinnati (Becoming a great OLB)
3 Antoine Caldwell Center Alabama (Back up still on the team, decent player)
4 Glover Quin Cornerback New Mexico (Great value and starting calibre S)
4 Anthony Hill Tight end North Carolina State (meh)
5 James Casey Tight end Rice (THOR!!!!)
6 Brice McCain Cornerback Utah (great value here had a great season in the nickel position)
7 Troy Nolan Safety Arizona State (good value, back up safety)

2010

1 Kareem Jackson Cornerback Alabama (Starting to show his promise none of the CB's taken after him played better last year)
2 Ben Tate Running back Auburn (starting calibre RB)
3 Earl Mitchell Defensive tackle Arizona (Great Back up will be better at DE)
4 Darryl Sharpton Linebacker Miami (FL) (good value and great back up)
4 Garrett Graham Tight end Wisconsin (Still waiting, injuries have hurt him)
5 Sherrick McManis Cornerback Northwestern (appropriate value here)
6 Shelley Smith Offensive guard Colorado State (Has good potential, good value)
6 Trindon Holliday Wide receiver LSU (Was a risky pick)
7 Dorin Dickerson Tight end Pittsburgh (Good value just didn't seem to work out)

2011

1 J. J. Watt Defensive End Wisconsin (FREAK)
2 Brooks Reed Linebacker Arizona (LIGIT)
2 Brandon Harris Cornerback Miami (FL) (N/A)
4 Rashad Carmichael Cornerback Virginia Tech (N/A)
5 Shiloh Keo Safety Idaho (meh)
5 T. J. Yates Quarterback North Carolina (ummm YES!!!!)
7 Derek Newton Offensive tackle Arkansas State (good back up)
7 Cheta Ozougwu Defensive end Rice (meh)

Overall it seemed like the first few years was exactly like any rebuilding team, looking for projects and that diamond in the rough.
The last 3 years have all be good drafts though.

Considering he also brought in A.Smith, JJo, D.Manning, Schaub, W.Smith, S.Cody, J.Allen.
And found Foster.

Rick smith for me his one of the better GM in the league

aussie_texan
03-12-2012, 07:40 PM
The 2006 draft was a great one. (Rick wasn't here)

2009, Great draft (Rick gets credit

2011 Great draft (Wades draft)

Rick has been subpar, overall not terrible but certianly not what you're making him out to be.

how can you say this. Rick picked players that fit Wades system. It was still Rick smith and his staff doing the scouting and selecting the players.
All wade did was say i want this this and this.

Did wade select TJ yates.

Also does that mean all offensive picks are kubiacks!