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beerlover
02-20-2012, 10:12 AM
Examiner: Alan Burge

http://www.examiner.com/houston-texans-in-houston/fan-guide-to-the-nfl-scouting-combine?CID=examiner_alerts_article

Day 1: Travel to Indianapolis; Registration; Hospital Pre-Exam & X-rays; Orientation; Interviews
Day 2: Measurements; Medical Examinations; Media; Psychological Testing; Interviews
Day 3: NFLPA Meeting; Psychological Testing; PK/ST Workout; Interviews
Day 4: Workout (timing, stations, skill drills); Departure from Indianapolis

Groups 1-3 arrive at Indianapolis on Wednesday, February 22 (their Day 1) and depart on Saturday, February 25 (their Day 4).

Groups 4-6 arrive at the combine on Thursday, February 23 and leave on Sunday the 26th.

Groups 7-9 arrive on Friday, February 24 and depart on Monday the 27th.

And finally the DBs (Groups 10-11) arrive on Saturday the 25th and leave on Tuesday the 28th.

Group 1: Kickers, Special Teams, Offensive Linemen
Group 2: Offensive Linemen
Group 3: Tight Ends
Group 4: Quarterbacks and Wide Receivers
Group 5: Quarterbacks and Wide Receivers
Group 6: Running Backs
Group 7: Defensive Linemen
Group 8: Defensive Linemen
Group 9: Linebackers
Group 10: Defensive Backs
Group 11: Defensive Backs

Mark your calendar, program DVR, whatever method you prefer fellow draftnicks, Texan fans it's time for annual ritual of breaking down incoming future NFL players at Indy. :kitten:

beerlover
02-21-2012, 11:20 AM
here is a Bleecher report, yeah I know, that highlights 15 players who should perform well @ the combine: they even have a clip on Mike Martin, NT Michigan widely disputed here in regards to draft grade, rmartin65 no relation? Has him mocked to Texans in 3rd rd. which would be nice pick, if he's still there? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1072140-nfl-combine-2012-15-prospects-who-will-dominate-the-40-bench-and-other-drills/page/15
For all the rest just click on the link & make your favorite selection, Who will shine in this years, 2012 Combine? Personally I hope that Joe Adams doesn't run a sub 4.35 or something, really like Texans to have a shot @ him in 2nd. (never mind Bleecher has a 4th rd. grade).http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1072140-nfl-combine-2012-15-prospects-who-will-dominate-the-40-bench-and-other-drills/page/14 Joe Adams is close as Texans will get to Wright in this draft.

rmartin65
02-21-2012, 11:31 AM
here is a Bleecher report, yeah I know, that highlights 15 players who should perform well @ the combine: they even have a clip on Mike Martin, NT Michigan widely disputed here in regards to draft grade, rmartin65 no relation? Has him mocked to Texans in 3rd rd. which would be nice pick, if he's still there? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1072140-nfl-combine-2012-15-prospects-who-will-dominate-the-40-bench-and-other-drills/page/15
For all the rest just click on the link & make your favorite selection, Who will shine in this years, 2012 Combine? Personally I hope that Joe Adams doesn't run a sub 4.35 or something, really like Texans to have a shot @ him in 2nd. (never mind Bleecher has a 4th rd. grade).http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1072140-nfl-combine-2012-15-prospects-who-will-dominate-the-40-bench-and-other-drills/page/14 Joe Adams is close as Texans will get to Wright in this draft.

Nice find BL. Bleacher Report is not a terrible source, you just need to realize it is just like our board here- a bunch of guys who like the draft/NFL, but are by no means experts.

I am not related to Mike Martin, just to clarify. But I do see him dominating the bench, and surprising at the 40. And alas, I do see him moving down into the second, just as the article states.

This looks like it is going to be a fast combine- a lot of these receivers and DBs are in the 4.3s, and a few have been times in the 4.2s. it will be something to watch.

pirbroke
02-26-2012, 08:17 AM
Rg3 just ran 4.38 40 at 24.9 miles per hour I think they said, damn I'm not sure I can ride my bike that fast. LOL. I can't wait to see the WR's later today.

pirbroke
02-26-2012, 08:32 AM
damn big Michael Floyd just moved up out of our reach with a 4.42. wow

pirbroke
02-26-2012, 08:36 AM
Stephen hill 6'4 and ran a 4.30, Holy crap welcome to the first round.

steelbtexan
02-26-2012, 09:59 AM
Stephen hill 6'4 and ran a 4.30, Holy crap welcome to the first round.

And he's a great blocker

Bad hands though.

Former georgia state sprint champion, was a sleeper of mine.

ArlingtonTexan
02-26-2012, 10:30 AM
damn big Michael Floyd just moved up out of our reach with a 4.42. wow

Stephen hill 6'4 and ran a 4.30, Holy crap welcome to the first round.

NFL evalauation is a little more complex than one forty yard dash moving a guy up or down significantly. Al Davis is no longer with us.

pirbroke
02-26-2012, 10:36 AM
And he's a great blocker

Bad hands though.

Former georgia state sprint champion, was a sleeper of mine.

He looked good in catching drills, I know it's more than the 40 but he is going to have a lot of scouts going back to his tapes after today

Lucky
02-26-2012, 10:37 AM
NFL evalauation is a little more complex than one forty yard dash moving a guy up or down significantly. Al Davis is no longer with us.
Al is at the combine...in spirit. Watch some team draft Hill in the 1st.

mussop
02-26-2012, 10:40 AM
Woke up early this morning to watch dvr recordings of combine and the are all scrambled.:aggressive:

Lucky
02-26-2012, 10:40 AM
He looked good in catching drills, I know it's more than the 40 but he is going to have a lot of scouts going back to his tapes after today

They're going to see a guy who wasn't thrown to much. Why would a top WR recruit ever go to GA Tech?

pirbroke
02-26-2012, 10:43 AM
They're going to see a guy who wasn't thrown to much. Why would a top WR recruit ever go to GA Tech?

That's what I was thinking. I am looking forward to watching the Baylor kid Wright also.

pirbroke
02-26-2012, 10:45 AM
Randell just ran a 4.5 which a lot of mocks has going to us.

pirbroke
02-26-2012, 10:49 AM
Suna 4.65 thats going to drop him to second round if he cant top that.

pirbroke
02-26-2012, 10:58 AM
Even a white dude ran in 4,30s , This year the WR class has some speed like we have not seen in awhile, What a great year to go in the draft with WR as a top need.

Nawzer
02-26-2012, 10:58 AM
Very impressed with RGIII's interview on NFL Network right now. I've never really watched him or heard him speak and the first thing I got right away is that this guy is smart. There is a sense of calm about him and he has a presence about him. It was just one short interview but man it impressed the hell out of me.

b0ng
02-26-2012, 11:14 AM
Consider me off the draft Sanu wagon. I know it's the 40 time isn't even that important but I figured Sanu needed to hit a 4.5 for scouts/gm's to go "I can live with that speed". He'd be a great 2nd round pick though if we get some other player in the 1st.

b0ng
02-26-2012, 11:17 AM
Also, the best part of the combine is Rich Eisen being superimposed on the 40 times of Luck, Newton and Griffin with a 6 yard head start.

mussop
02-26-2012, 11:20 AM
Wow Kendal wright was not as fast as expected. Maybe he will fall to #26. The real question is whether or not smithiack would use a first round pick on a smaller WR. Especially when there should be some bigger faster guys available later in the draft.

beerlover
02-26-2012, 11:25 AM
Also, the best part of the combine is Rich Eisen being superimposed on the 40 times of Luck, Newton and Griffin with a 6 yard head start.

I enjoy tidbits by former NFL greats like Michael Irvin "most people think speed is most important for a WR, but really the most important thing a WR can have is body control".

Mr. Texan
02-26-2012, 11:27 AM
They're going to see a guy who wasn't thrown to much. Why would a top WR recruit ever go to GA Tech?

still crazy that calvin johnson went to GT :kitten:

pirbroke
02-26-2012, 11:28 AM
Wow Kendal wright was not as fast as expected. Maybe he will fall to #26. The real question is whether or not smithiack would use a first round pick on a smaller WR. Especially when there should be some bigger faster guys available later in the draft.

I think I have read he is a good blocker even with his height, He ran slow on purpose so he will fall to the Texans, LOL. I can only dream.

ArlingtonTexan
02-26-2012, 11:29 AM
I enjoy tidbits by former NFL greats like Michael Irvin "most people think speed is most important for a WR, but really the most important thing a WR can have is body control".

There is a lot waste to fight through, but the best part of the combine is the football knowledge that can be gained from the announcers. It will keep you from doing too much simple or lazy analysis of prospects, or how teams draft and put together rosters. The audio portion is very underrated.

b0ng
02-26-2012, 11:34 AM
There is a lot waste to fight through, but the best part of the combine is the football knowledge that can be gained from the announcers. It will keep you from doing too much simple or lazy analysis of prospects, or how teams draft and put together rosters. The audio portion is very underrated.

Honestly, if NFLN just had like cameras on drills and nobody talking over it I'd enjoy it quite a bit. Well, I guess Mayock would be alright, but he's like the only one who I actually pay attention to on that network when it comes to talking about the draft.

Anybody else notice that Luck and Newton put up very similar combine numbers? Does that make Luck a "running quarterback"? (lol no)

beerlover
02-26-2012, 11:42 AM
Kurt Warner is a natural, he would have been an excellent fit on Monday Night Football.

Also, stuck on Wright 4 Texans

Mr. Texan
02-26-2012, 11:49 AM
i like rg3 :)

ArlingtonTexan
02-26-2012, 01:15 PM
They're going to see a guy who wasn't thrown to much. Why would a top WR recruit ever go to GA Tech?

Calvin Johnosn 1st Wr in the draft..D.thomas 1st Wr in his draft...S. Hill probably a 2nd rounder...That a darn good record for a so-call running school.

Lucky
02-26-2012, 04:05 PM
Calvin Johnosn 1st Wr in the draft..D.thomas 1st Wr in his draft...S. Hill probably a 2nd rounder...That a darn good record for a so-call running school.

Johnson never played in the flexbone and Thomas was recruited by Chan Gailey, who ran a pro style multiple offense. Hill came to Tech knowing they were a run first, second, and third offense. Weird.

badboy
02-26-2012, 04:16 PM
That Kendall Wright is so slow I hope the first 25 teams realize he is terrible and pass on him.

Insideop
02-26-2012, 04:32 PM
That Kendall Wright is so slow I hope the first 25 teams realize he is terrible and pass on him.

Why would you want Wright if he's that slow? If your tall and slow that's one thing, but short and slow is not good. If he blows it away at his pro-day he'll be back in the middle of the 1st round. If he doesn't, he will probably drop out of the 1st completely.

steelbtexan
02-26-2012, 04:53 PM
Very impressed with RGIII's interview on NFL Network right now. I've never really watched him or heard him speak and the first thing I got right away is that this guy is smart. There is a sense of calm about him and he has a presence about him. It was just one short interview but man it impressed the hell out of me.

Yep

RG3 is going to be what Vick should've been.

He is going to revolutionize the QB position. IMHO

Brains, unreal talent, work ethic, Somebody is going to have to pay big time to et him and he's going to be worth it.

Honoring Earl 34
02-26-2012, 05:20 PM
Why would you want Wright if he's that slow? If your tall and slow that's one thing, but short and slow is not good. If he blows it away at his pro-day he'll be back in the middle of the 1st round. If he doesn't, he will probably drop out of the 1st completely.

So you'd take Hill over Wright ?

Texn4life
02-26-2012, 05:24 PM
Why would you want Wright if he's that slow? If your tall and slow that's one thing, but short and slow is not good. If he blows it away at his pro-day he'll be back in the middle of the 1st round. If he doesn't, he will probably drop out of the 1st completely.

This mentality is exactly why a lot of GM's can't keep jobs. 40 times don't mean a whole lot in my view. Look at Arian's 40 time and tell me he's not fast enough. Look at Jerry Rice's 40 time and tell me, Anquan Boldin, etc, etc, etc. The thing is you have to turn on the game tape and watch.

I can guarantee you there's not one GM right now who really feels like Wright's 40 time in shorts is indicative of his "game speed". The guy runs by Big 12 corners like its nothing on a regular basis. There are some guys who post great 40 times, but when you watch them on film it doesn't translate to the field. I don't care if Wright ran a 5.0 today the guy and flat out fly on the field while he's being covered. That's all I need to see from a player.

beerlover
02-26-2012, 05:24 PM
Why would you want Wright if he's that slow? If your tall and slow that's one thing, but short and slow is not good. If he blows it away at his pro-day he'll be back in the middle of the 1st round. If he doesn't, he will probably drop out of the 1st completely.

badboy :sarcasm:

beerlover
02-26-2012, 05:25 PM
So you'd take Hill over Wright ?

I still like Wright in first. Who knows? If Hill is there in the 2nd I would be tempted to take him too.

LikeMike
02-26-2012, 05:27 PM
So you'd take Hill over Wright ?

I don`t know if you`d take Hill over Wright - but for a WR like Wright, a real bad 40 time is a little bit of a red flag. That is a guy who depends on speed and good route running to get seperation. If you take away speed in the NFL, you will have a hard time to get open if you are that small.

So you either bet, that he plays a lot faster than he clocks, or you have a guy here, that benefitted greatly from the lesser competition at the College level.

As for Hill: a good combine isn`t everything - it`s how you play the game. I haven`t seen nearly enough of him to judge. But he definetly put his name on the map today.

Too bad that Floyd will be long gone by the time we pick. When I look at him I see a future star. But he also helped himself a lot today.

Maybe Ruben Randle might be interesting for us - if he`s not too much of a prospect.

Or we pass on a WR in the first and take Poe - that guy is a monster...

mussop
02-26-2012, 07:21 PM
I don`t know if you`d take Hill over Wright - but for a WR like Wright, a real bad 40 time is a little bit of a red flag. That is a guy who depends on speed and good route running to get seperation. If you take away speed in the NFL, you will have a hard time to get open if you are that small.

So you either bet, that he plays a lot faster than he clocks, or you have a guy here, that benefitted greatly from the lesser competition at the College level.

As for Hill: a good combine isn`t everything - it`s how you play the game. I haven`t seen nearly enough of him to judge. But he definetly put his name on the map today.

Too bad that Floyd will be long gone by the time we pick. When I look at him I see a future star. But he also helped himself a lot today.

Maybe Ruben Randle might be interesting for us - if he`s not too much of a prospect.

Or we pass on a WR in the first and take Poe - that guy is a monster...

I don't see us taking WR in the first round. After the top two the value just isn't there. The next (BIG) group of WR's are all fairly equal.

Lucky
02-26-2012, 07:30 PM
I don't see us taking WR in the first round. After the top two the value just isn't there. The next (BIG) group of WR's are all fairly equal.
That's how I'm seeing it. Maybe they're will be an opportunity for a trade down. I think the Texans should take a couple of WRs in the first 4 rounds, increasing their odds of one of them hitting. It's a deep crop, but most of the WRs look like #2s or #3s at best. Blackman is probably the only star, and I would rank him behind Green and Jones from 2011.

Honoring Earl 34
02-26-2012, 07:46 PM
That's how I'm seeing it. Maybe they're will be an opportunity for a trade down. I think the Texans should take a couple of WRs in the first 4 rounds, increasing their odds of one of them hitting. It's a deep crop, but most of the WRs look like #2s or #3s at best. Blackman is probably the only star, and I would rank him behind Green and Jones from 2011.

I don't see forcing a WR just to get one in the 1st .

steelbtexan
02-26-2012, 08:10 PM
That's how I'm seeing it. Maybe they're will be an opportunity for a trade down. I think the Texans should take a couple of WRs in the first 4 rounds, increasing their odds of one of them hitting. It's a deep crop, but most of the WRs look like #2s or #3s at best. Blackman is probably the only star, and I would rank him behind Green and Jones from 2011.

Agreed

Floyd and Blackmon are the studs.

Hopefully Tannehill will fall and the Redskins will want to trade up to get him.

The Virginia Tech guy on the MB told us about Coale. He really opened eyes today. VT guy needs to be repped. I dont know how to look him up.

I've got a feeling that Griffin and Wright will end up as teammates together on the Browns.

I'm still on the Randle bandwagon in the 1st (he will run faster at his pro day)e 4th as a slotWR/PR.

My guy Jordan White was a major disappointment today. But he has great hands and a real feel for how to play WR.

Is it just me or do the WR's seem to be much faster this yr?

steelbtexan
02-26-2012, 08:19 PM
I still like Wright in first. Who knows? If Hill is there in the 2nd I would be tempted to take him too.

Me too

It would take the major weakness on this team and turn it into a strength. The stopwatch may have said 4.61. But K.Wright plays much faster than that.

I see Wright and Griffin having about the same game speed. Wright will run much faster at his pro day. IMHO

otisbean
02-26-2012, 08:47 PM
Me too

It would take the major weakness on this team and turn it into a strength. The stopwatch may have said 4.61. But K.Wright plays much faster than that.

I see Wright and Griffin having about the same game speed. Wright will run much faster at his pro day. IMHO

I agree, Wright can run much faster. Both his starts looked off, almost like a very slight stumble. It's impossible to run a good 40 if you get a bad start, it's too short of a race to overcome a bad first 10

Lucky
02-26-2012, 08:51 PM
I've got a feeling that Griffin and Wright will end up as teammates together on the Browns.
If so, then that means Wright will fall to the 2nd round. Because the Browns will have to cough up that extra 1st round pick to move up for Griffin (well worth it, IMO).

Honoring Earl 34
02-26-2012, 08:51 PM
What about AJ Jenkins in the 3rd

SAMURAITEXAN
02-26-2012, 08:54 PM
I'd been posting this on wrong thread. I guess this is the right one.

So I guess, WR prospects situation may go down like the following.

Blackmon Top 5
Floyd Top 20
Randle, Hill, Streeter Late 1st to eary 2nd?
Quick, Toon, McNutt 2nd to 3rd

Jeffery and Fuller didn't run so don't know where they fit.

Devon Wylie for our possible kick/punt return specialist?

ArlingtonTexan
02-26-2012, 08:57 PM
Johnson never played in the flexbone and Thomas was recruited by Chan Gailey, who ran a pro style multiple offense. Hill came to Tech knowing they were a run first, second, and third offense. Weird.

Maybe he just wanted to go GT for social, academic, limited other options, etc...kinda like non-FB players do.

Still even a "better" offense, GT was not that good at passing even with Johnson. It is probably freaky for any school to have three WRs in five years go in the top 2 rounds. chalking it to just odd more than anything.

ArlingtonTexan
02-26-2012, 09:15 PM
That's how I'm seeing it. Maybe they're will be an opportunity for a trade down. I think the Texans should take a couple of WRs in the first 4 rounds, increasing their odds of one of them hitting. It's a deep crop, but most of the WRs look like #2s or #3s at best. Blackman is probably the only star, and I would rank him behind Green and Jones from 2011.

Handling the draft board becomes more important at the bottom of the round. Often there is highly rated guy at a non-need or low priority position or a team is trying to take the highest player on its 2nd level at a need position. It is a spot where there is a great deal of activity both up and down trying to maximize value. A good year to see what Rick Smith is made of.

Mr teX
02-26-2012, 09:24 PM
wright running a slow 40 doesn't surprise me honestly..he doesn't look all that fast on tape to me..he may be a little faster than his 40 indicates but i suspect not much faster. spread offenses always make guys look faster than they really are b/c all the space on the field.

Lucky
02-26-2012, 09:39 PM
wright running a slow 40 doesn't surprise me honestly..he doesn't look all that fast on tape to me..
The Big 12 must be loaded with slow DBs, because Wright was running away from all of them.

steelbtexan
02-26-2012, 09:53 PM
What about AJ Jenkins in the 3rd

He would be a great pick in Rds 3-4.

Fast/Good hands/adequate route runner. I like Jenkins more than McNutt or Streeter for instance.

steelbtexan
02-26-2012, 09:56 PM
I'd been posting this on wrong thread. I guess this is the right one.

So I guess, WR prospects situation may go down like the following.

Blackmon Top 5
Floyd Top 20
Randle, Hill, Streeter Late 1st to eary 2nd?
Quick, Toon, McNutt 2nd to 3rd

Jeffery and Fuller didn't run so don't know where they fit.

Devon Wylie for our possible kick/punt return specialist?

A really good list. Add Danny Coale to the 3/4th rd range.

beerlover
02-27-2012, 09:33 AM
I like what I see from Marcus Forston, Miami. Good body control, explosive. Know he has injury track record but looks pretty solid value pick in 4th rd. 6010 310 not huge but fits in well with current Texan NT's.

Dutchrudder
02-27-2012, 09:50 AM
If so, then that means Wright will fall to the 2nd round. Because the Browns will have to cough up that extra 1st round pick to move up for Griffin (well worth it, IMO).

I don't think they will need to spend the extra 1st. #4 and #37 should be enough to move up to #2 to get RG3. The Rams know that if they trade with anyone else, they will not get Blackmon or Kalil. If they drop to #6 in a trade with the Redskins, they may miss out on those guys, whereas the Browns can guarantee that the Rams will get one of those two guys. It just depends on how much the Rams covet Kalil, Blackmon or possibly Claiborne. If they want a guy like Reiff or Martin, then the Redskins trade will be more appealing.

Naiirb
02-27-2012, 10:32 AM
Oh my lord Dontari Poe just ran a 4.87 at 347 lb's

beerlover
02-27-2012, 10:41 AM
B.J. Raji ran a 5.12 forty @ the combine carried his weight very well 334 lbs & was selected 9th overall in the 2009 draft.

rmartin65
02-27-2012, 10:45 AM
Oh my lord Dontari Poe just ran a 4.87 at 347 lb's

Yea... I just want to re-iterate what I have been saying- the guy is not just a big fat run stuffer. He can move.

But, then again, I was able to watch some of his games.

badboy
02-27-2012, 10:57 AM
Why would you want Wright if he's that slow? If your tall and slow that's one thing, but short and slow is not good. If he blows it away at his pro-day he'll be back in the middle of the 1st round. If he doesn't, he will probably drop out of the 1st completely.

I've watched Wright play. He explodes past defensive players. He has reported run an unofficial 4.39. Not sure what happened at combine BUT could be bad starts. I'll see what he does at pro day but I know how he does on field, not a problem for me. Here is an ESPN quote:

Wright looked quick and explosive out of his breaks and caught the ball well, especially above his shoulders, but his showing during drills was overshadowed by an underwhelming 4.61 in the 40. That time came on a fast track in which five other wideouts broke the 4.4 mark, and it does not match up with Wright's playing speed on tape.



This leaves us with some investigating to do. It could be that we've overrated Wright's top-end speed and explosiveness and a more in-depth film review will show that, or his combine workout tape could reveal a technical issue such as a poor start. Either way, his March 21 pro day is now more important because teams will want to see an improved time.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/notebook?page=combinebuzz226&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft2012%2fnotebook%3fpage%3dcombinebuzz226

badboy
02-27-2012, 11:10 AM
I don`t know if you`d take Hill over Wright - but for a WR like Wright, a real bad 40 time is a little bit of a red flag. That is a guy who depends on speed and good route running to get seperation. If you take away speed in the NFL, you will have a hard time to get open if you are that small.

So you either bet, that he plays a lot faster than he clocks, or you have a guy here, that benefitted greatly from the lesser competition at the College level.

As for Hill: a good combine isn`t everything - it`s how you play the game. I haven`t seen nearly enough of him to judge. But he definetly put his name on the map today.

Too bad that Floyd will be long gone by the time we pick. When I look at him I see a future star. But he also helped himself a lot today.

Maybe Ruben Randle might be interesting for us - if he`s not too much of a prospect.

Or we pass on a WR in the first and take Poe - that guy is a monster...Wright's reputation is he goes up in middle of field often against more than one taller DBs and brings the ball in. He is not just a deep threat because he rockets past defenders. He is also an excellent slot and can catch in the middle, shallow routes. he was not rated first round and maybe better than Blackmon prior to combine just because of his stats. Many watched him play and made same call I did. He is and NFL WR.

Rey
02-27-2012, 11:32 AM
Wright is going to have to work on his underneath stuff.

Not as good of an underneath/intermediate route runner as Welker, but he's better on the deep ball than Welker is...

But if he wants to find his role in the NFL he's going to have to become more than just a deep seam guy. He plays faster than 4.6 though...But I was shocked as hell that he ran that slow...I expected the low 4.4's...

I'm starting to like Poe a lot or a trade down...

beerlover
02-27-2012, 02:36 PM
Pretty weak LB class. I like a couple of the DE's converting to OLB better in 2nd/3rd rd's.