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Norg
02-18-2012, 08:12 PM
There is not alot of good ones i was watchin espn and most of the first 6 wr in the depth chart are all big. Body WR that lack speed


And i thought wE were lookin for a speedy wr since andre is more of a route runner wr

badboy
02-18-2012, 08:27 PM
There is not alot of good ones i was watchin espn and most of the first 6 wr in the depth chart are all big. Body WR that lack speed


And i thought wE were lookin for a speedy wr since andre is more of a route runner wrThere a some elite WRs but only 3 in first and one that could be there. Blackmon, Wright and Floyd are the cream and all could be gone by 26. You don't have to be 6'3" to succeed as Blackmon will show. I am concerned we will select one that could become another Jacoby. Plenty of potential though all the way to 4th round.

steelbtexan
02-18-2012, 08:30 PM
There's speedy WR's

K/J Wright
Adams
Randle
T.J. Graham

HouSportsWriter
02-18-2012, 08:39 PM
wright is who i want


as you can tell from my mock

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1902329#post1902329


THREAD HIGH-JACKED:koolaid:

badboy
02-18-2012, 08:55 PM
There's speedy WR's

K/J Wright
Adams
Randle
T.J. Graham

Jordan WHite could run a pretty good 40 at combine.

steelbtexan
02-18-2012, 11:31 PM
Jordan WHite could run a pretty good 40 at combine.

I really want to see White in a Texans uni.

He is going to be a productive 10 yr pro. If his repaired ACL's hold out.

Ryan
02-18-2012, 11:34 PM
There is not alot of good ones i was watchin espn and most of the first 6 wr in the depth chart are all big. Body WR that lack speed


And i thought wE were lookin for a speedy wr since andre is more of a route runner wr

We just need a good WR. Does not matter what type. We don't really bomb it down field enough to need a legitimate "deep threat". Jacoby has been classified as one of those guys and look how far that's gotten him.

badboy
02-18-2012, 11:48 PM
I really want to see White in a Texans uni.

He is going to be a productive 10 yr pro. If his repaired ACL's hold out.Agreed. If we got him & no other WR I'd be ok but it may be a year or two before he starts. He and Wright will be two great receivers and if we got both like I mock, I will be excited.

Wright, Zeitler, Chapman, White

steelbtexan
02-19-2012, 12:03 AM
That would be a great draft if White and Chapmans ACL's hold out.

Marcus
02-19-2012, 12:39 AM
They will go BPA with #26, and that damn sure isn't gonna be a WR. WRs are reaches enough as it is without taking a "prospect" late in the first.

Lucky
02-19-2012, 08:31 AM
Norg, let's keep draft talk in this forum until these guys are actually drafted to the team.

They will go BPA with #26, and that damn sure isn't gonna be a WR. WRs are reaches enough as it is without taking a "prospect" late in the first.
BPA is a myth. Teams draft for need, be it immediate or a year down the road. Or they may draft a guy high to replace someone who has an expiring or expensive contract. It's rare that a team just drafts a player high regardless of roster holes.

Having said that, we don't really know where the holes on the roster will be. Free agency occurs prior to the draft, and whom the Texans lose/gain will have an impact. WR may be the biggest need. Or guard. Or CB. And it's very possible that the Texans 1st round pick isn't an immediate starter. When's the last time that happened? 2005 with Travis Johnson is the only time a Texans 1st round pick wasn't a opening day starter.

Actually, I think the team needs two WRs out of this draft. A big, WCO type receiver that can run the slants and curls, and be a red zone target. And a speedy slot WR, who can double as a returner. The draft is deep in WCO type WRs, so 2nd round would make sense. A slot guy could be found in the 4th or 5th.

beerlover
02-19-2012, 08:52 AM
Randle may wind up being the guy. Not a big fan of LSU WR's because they're really under developed in that system & have to learn a team, like the Texans, route tree from scratch, but dude is both big & fast. If he has an impressive Combine, don't be surprised if you here the Texans bring him in for a private workout to evaluate his raw skills/technique, adaptability & intelligence.

MIKE MAYOCK: I think Reuben Randle is going to run. I don't think there is a question about what he's going to run. I think he's going to run well. When I say a big bodied wide receiver he's listed at 6'4", 209, I believe. I think he's going to run just fine. I've got a first round grade on him.
I have Blackmon, Kendall Wright, Michael Floyd, and Reuben Randle with first round grades. I think they're the four wideouts that should go in the first round.
From my perspective, Randle should go in the second half of the first round, somewhere in that 20 to 30 range. If he comes into the combine and runs 4.38 at 208 pounds, that might change some things. He might go higher. But he's extremely well thought of. He's a guy that could fit for the 49ers depending on how this process plays out.

Lucky
02-19-2012, 10:36 AM
Randle was hurt by the LSU QB situation, to some extent. Just as Jeffery was at South Carolina. What I don't like about Randle is that he seldom extends his arms to catch the ball, allowing the pass to come into his body. But, he does have excellent RAC ability. And the Texans need some of that. Jeffery is the more natural WR, but may have too much football character concerns for the Texans. I don't know if the Texans are going WR in the 1st. Toon, McNutt, Criner, and Quick could be good fits in the 2nd round.

Playoffs
02-19-2012, 10:53 AM
Yeah, I think anything other than Randle at 26 is a dangerous reach.

Mayock talking a lot about big guys who cannot get separation in this WR class. No burst is no draft, in my book.

steelbtexan
02-19-2012, 12:51 PM
They will go BPA with #26, and that damn sure isn't gonna be a WR. WRs are reaches enough as it is without taking a "prospect" late in the first.

Says Jerry Rice at # 18,Nicks,Wayne,Bowe etc....

Yeah those late 1st Wr's never work out.

beerlover
02-19-2012, 01:03 PM
Yeah, I think anything other than Randle at 26 is a dangerous reach.

Mayock talking a lot about big guys who cannot get separation in this WR class. No burst is no draft, in my book.

Philosophically I agree with you but Draft Day Dynamics often create complexities unfathomable. Thus reaching on a player of need (who may be a target to several other teams as well) enhances or inflate his draft grade. Its all about projecting the best fit for each situation (which is where I think the Texans are right now going into the combine) can they coach up a raw talent if the measurable's are there? Then catching him up to speed throughout camps, how quickly can he absorb the playbook? is it something completely new or has he ran something similar to it in College (may give Jefferies an edge) also meet clubhouse expectations both on & off the field. The more successful in these areas, he bigger part he becomes in weekly game day planning. It's a hot market for WR's just ask the Patriots - http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/02/16/patriots-look-to-change-luck-in-drafting-wrs

Playoffs
02-19-2012, 01:42 PM
Says Jerry Rice at # 18,Nicks,Wayne,Bowe etc....

Yeah those late 1st Wr's never work out.Who said Rice/Nicks/Wayne/Bowe couldn't get separation coming out of college? There's a difference between quick, burst, and speed. Mayock says Jeffrey/Sanu struggle to get off the line in press ..... in college.

Torry Holt: "You have to be able to beat press coverage in the NFL. Then you learn how to beat double coverage."

No sense reaching in the first when you can get a DT -- strong draft -- and come back with one of a group of big WRs in the second. I think we need OL/DB help, too. Lets see how they come out of the combine.

steelbtexan
02-19-2012, 01:59 PM
Who said Rice/Nicks/Wayne/Bowe couldn't get separation coming out of college? There's a difference between quick, burst, and speed. Mayock says Jeffrey/Sanu struggle to get off the line in press ..... in college.

Torry Holt: "You have to be able to beat press coverage in the NFL. Then you learn how to beat double coverage."

No sense reaching in the first when you can get a DT -- strong draft -- and come back with one of a group of big WRs in the second. I think we need OL/DB help, too. Lets see how they come out of the combine.

I was responding to Marcus post about late 1st rd WR busts and just proving not all late 1st WR's bust. Hopefully Jefferys runs a 4.5 at the combine. That would help push Randle down to 26.

I wasn't disagreeing with you about the need to be able to beat press coverage. Or the need for a DT/OL/DB help.

Playoffs
02-19-2012, 06:25 PM
I was responding to Marcus post about late 1st rd WR busts and just proving not all late 1st WR's bust. Hopefully Jefferys runs a 4.5 at the combine. That would help push Randle down to 26.

I wasn't disagreeing with you about the need to be able to beat press coverage. Or the need for a DT/OL/DB help.My bad, sorry. http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/pardon.gif

Rey
02-19-2012, 07:48 PM
We just need a good WR. Does not matter what type. We don't really bomb it down field enough to need a legitimate "deep threat". Jacoby has been classified as one of those guys and look how far that's gotten him.

I think we throw the ball down field quite a bit actually...We aren't the Al Davis Raiders, but we stretch the field plenty...

But besides that, I'd like to see a WR that can consistently catch short/medium passes with good hands and the ability to get some decent YAC...

Norg
02-19-2012, 11:05 PM
Norg, let's keep draft talk in this forum until these guys are actually drafted to the team.


BPA is a myth. Teams draft for need, be it immediate or a year down the road. Or they may draft a guy high to replace someone who has an expiring or expensive contract. It's rare that a team just drafts a player high regardless of roster holes.

Having said that, we don't really know where the holes on the roster will be. Free agency occurs prior to the draft, and whom the Texans lose/gain will have an impact. WR may be the biggest need. Or guard. Or CB. And it's very possible that the Texans 1st round pick isn't an immediate starter. When's the last time that happened? 2005 with Travis Johnson is the only time a Texans 1st round pick wasn't a opening day starter.

Actually, I think the team needs two WRs out of this draft. A big, WCO type receiver that can run the slants and curls, and be a red zone target. And a speedy slot WR, who can double as a returner. The draft is deep in WCO type WRs, so 2nd round would make sense. A slot guy could be found in the 4th or 5th.

yeah has the time grow closer i got that feeling we will not go WR in the 1st unless a top guy falls to us maybe wr in the 2nd

VTexan
02-20-2012, 01:08 AM
I disagree. There are plenty of receivers to be had in each round. Would like to see the Texans trade back and stock up some 2nd and 3rd round picks.


Alshon Jeffery in the 2nd and Ryan Broyles in the 3rd/4th for me please!

Playoffs
03-20-2012, 08:46 AM
National Football Post-- Breaking down the tiers of wide out prospects… (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-Draft-Ranking-the-WR-class-by-Tiers.html)

Tier 1

Justin Blackmon: Oklahoma State (6-1, 215)
The lack of play speed will limit him at bit. Nevertheless, he's got the skill set to line-up all over an NFL offense and make plays on all levels of the field.

Tier 2

Michael Floyd: Notre Dame (6-3, 224)
Looked more sudden, explosive and showcased the ability to separate quickly as a senior. Is one of the draft's top receiving prospects.

Kendall Wright: Baylor (5-10, 190)
In the same mold as a number of Pittsburgh Steelers receivers (Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders) and can be effective both inside and out making plays down the field at the next level.

Tier 3

Stephen Hill: Georgia Tech (6-5, 206)
Has a unique skill set, can pluck off his frame, track the football and is the next big time talent from the Georgia Tech program. Is going to need some time to develop, but can come in and track football vertically early on. Has a lot of upside to his game and skill set says he's an NFL starter.

Mohamed Sanu: Rutgers (6-2, 215)
Physically reminds me some of Hakeem Nicks. Isn't as NFL ready, but can go get the football, breakdown and separate on all levels of the field. Looks like a future NFL starter who might need some time, but the talent is most definitely there.

Tier 4

Devon Wylie: Fresno State (5-9, 185)
Is limited a bit by his size, but is the kind of cat-quick slot guy with great ball skills who can make a living in the NFL. The major positive with him is that he also has very good speed as well.

Joe Adams: Arkansas (5-11, 190)
An explosive athlete who can go get the football down the field and has some savvy to his game setting up routes. However, is inconsistent catching the football and as a route runner. Nevertheless, does enough well to make a roster and see early playing time inside and outside. An ideal fit for Philadelphia running the deep crossers.

Jarius Wright: Arkansas (5-10, 180)
A coordinated athlete who is sharp as a route runner, tough over the middle and knows how to get open vs. man and zone. Will get re-routed vs. press at times and looks more like an inside player at the next level, but has the skill set to make a roster and carve out a big niche early.

Tier 5

Marvin Jones: California (6-3, 202)
Possesses good size, good body control and hand eye coordination, and for his size is a pretty fluid athlete as well. Isn't a dynamic athlete, but should be able to find a way to make and earn playing time on an NFL roster.

Rueben Randle: Louisiana State (6-4, 208)
Possesses that sneaky strider speed down the field and has some savvy to his game. However, lacks great burst out of his breaks and isn't going to be effective running sharply breaking routes. Looks like a potential NFL starter only.

Nick Toon: Wisconsin (6-3, 220)
I like his size, short area quickness and ability to adjust to the football. Isn't a guy who is going to create consistently down the field, but knows how to gain enough separation, pluck and create after the catch. Looks like a guy who can play on the outside as a legit number two wide out running the inward breaking routes with some time, but isn't ever going to be a dynamic playmaker.

Alshon Jeffery: South Carolina (6-4, 229)
Jeffery looks like a more dynamic version of Seahawks wide out Mike Williams who will be limited in the routes he can run (fade, slant, post, corner) at the next level. But can still be successful as the "Z" receiver where he will be put in motion and used a lot in two man routes with the tight end running vertical and adjusting to the throw. However, he's never going to be overly productive due to his inability to separate consistently of his breaks.

Marvin McNutt: Iowa (6-4, 215)
A tall, long armed receiver who can win off the line and use his big frame to box and go get the football. A big target who looks capable of fighting for a starting role now at the next level. However, is never going to be a guy who separates a ton in any area of the game.

aussie_texan
03-20-2012, 09:54 AM
National Football Post-- Breaking down the tiers of wide out prospects… (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-Draft-Ranking-the-WR-class-by-Tiers.html)

Tier 1

Justin Blackmon: Oklahoma State (6-1, 215)
The lack of play speed will limit him at bit. Nevertheless, he's got the skill set to line-up all over an NFL offense and make plays on all levels of the field.

Tier 2

Michael Floyd: Notre Dame (6-3, 224)
Looked more sudden, explosive and showcased the ability to separate quickly as a senior. Is one of the draft's top receiving prospects.

Kendall Wright: Baylor (5-10, 190)
In the same mold as a number of Pittsburgh Steelers receivers (Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders) and can be effective both inside and out making plays down the field at the next level.

Tier 3

Stephen Hill: Georgia Tech (6-5, 206)
Has a unique skill set, can pluck off his frame, track the football and is the next big time talent from the Georgia Tech program. Is going to need some time to develop, but can come in and track football vertically early on. Has a lot of upside to his game and skill set says he's an NFL starter.

Mohamed Sanu: Rutgers (6-2, 215)
Physically reminds me some of Hakeem Nicks. Isn't as NFL ready, but can go get the football, breakdown and separate on all levels of the field. Looks like a future NFL starter who might need some time, but the talent is most definitely there.

Tier 4

Devon Wylie: Fresno State (5-9, 185)
Is limited a bit by his size, but is the kind of cat-quick slot guy with great ball skills who can make a living in the NFL. The major positive with him is that he also has very good speed as well.

Joe Adams: Arkansas (5-11, 190)
An explosive athlete who can go get the football down the field and has some savvy to his game setting up routes. However, is inconsistent catching the football and as a route runner. Nevertheless, does enough well to make a roster and see early playing time inside and outside. An ideal fit for Philadelphia running the deep crossers.

Jarius Wright: Arkansas (5-10, 180)
A coordinated athlete who is sharp as a route runner, tough over the middle and knows how to get open vs. man and zone. Will get re-routed vs. press at times and looks more like an inside player at the next level, but has the skill set to make a roster and carve out a big niche early.

Tier 5

Marvin Jones: California (6-3, 202)
Possesses good size, good body control and hand eye coordination, and for his size is a pretty fluid athlete as well. Isn't a dynamic athlete, but should be able to find a way to make and earn playing time on an NFL roster.

Rueben Randle: Louisiana State (6-4, 208)
Possesses that sneaky strider speed down the field and has some savvy to his game. However, lacks great burst out of his breaks and isn't going to be effective running sharply breaking routes. Looks like a potential NFL starter only.

Nick Toon: Wisconsin (6-3, 220)
I like his size, short area quickness and ability to adjust to the football. Isn't a guy who is going to create consistently down the field, but knows how to gain enough separation, pluck and create after the catch. Looks like a guy who can play on the outside as a legit number two wide out running the inward breaking routes with some time, but isn't ever going to be a dynamic playmaker.

Alshon Jeffery: South Carolina (6-4, 229)
Jeffery looks like a more dynamic version of Seahawks wide out Mike Williams who will be limited in the routes he can run (fade, slant, post, corner) at the next level. But can still be successful as the "Z" receiver where he will be put in motion and used a lot in two man routes with the tight end running vertical and adjusting to the throw. However, he's never going to be overly productive due to his inability to separate consistently of his breaks.

Marvin McNutt: Iowa (6-4, 215)
A tall, long armed receiver who can win off the line and use his big frame to box and go get the football. A big target who looks capable of fighting for a starting role now at the next level. However, is never going to be a guy who separates a ton in any area of the game.

Toon, McNutt, Randle and FLoyd have been underrated heavily.

Floyd should be in tier 1
Toon and McNutt in tier 3
Randle tier 3/4
Jeffery should be tier 4

Vinny
03-20-2012, 11:30 AM
Toon, McNutt, Randle and FLoyd have been underrated heavily.

Floyd should be in tier 1
Toon and McNutt in tier 3
Randle tier 3/4
Jeffery should be tier 4not picking you you Aussie, since there are plenty here that agree with you but I think you are overrating the WR's in this class. I don't see this as a strong class and its a bad year to need a WR if you ask me.

76Texan
03-20-2012, 11:41 AM
SteelB was talking about a slot guy from Northwestern, Jeremy Ebert, 5'9, 195, 4.38 speed in the fourth or fifth round.
I've been watching him and I like what I saw.
It was a little odd that they (Northwestern) didn't use him deep much.

But a guy that I'm liking at the moment is Gerrell Robinson from Az. St., 6'2-1/2, 227, 4.62 speed.
I've seen him rated anywhere from the third to the 6th round.
This is a guy who can take the big hit in the middle who can also run those corner routes and fade routes.
He plays faster than his 40 time indicates.

I like him better than BJ Cunningham (Mich St) and Fuller (A&M) due to his arm length (32-5/8 to 33 depending on which website one looks at; 78" wingspan.)
For the most part, he catches the ball with his hands and will pluck the ball out of the air, attacking it pretty well.

If Brock Osweiler was any better at QB, Robinson's production would have rivaled some of the top receivers in the NCAA last year.
His 1397 yards ranked 6th.
His 18.14 ypc (77 catches) was astronomical for a guy that operated at least half of the time out of the slot (He showed good agility, making guys miss from time to time.)

Good-Great value in the fourth with a decent-good chance of becoming a number two receiver.

I hope the Texans draft him in the fourth round.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/AJuLDmI-o8U

http://www.youtube.com/embed/AJuLDmI-o8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn8e1sj-Ahg&feature=g-feat&context=G2c81815YFAAAAAAAAAA

Watch his hands and some of the moves he put on after the catch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_CWbJUl5o8
Note that this was in July 2007 and he was at QB at times (biggest kid out there.)

aussie_texan
03-20-2012, 08:18 PM
not picking you you Aussie, since there are plenty here that agree with you but I think you are overrating the WR's in this class. I don't see this as a strong class and its a bad year to need a WR if you ask me.

I don't think its a great class. (i did during the season though)
but not comparing to other positions thats how i see the tiers though

kiwitexansfan
03-20-2012, 08:24 PM
No Brian Quick from Appalachian State?

badboy
03-21-2012, 04:11 PM
Wright ran 4.41 & 4.46 @ today's (March 21) pro day.

Allstar
03-21-2012, 04:41 PM
Dane Brugler ‏ @dpbrugler

Texans coaches also spent a considerable amount of time with WR K. Wright today. Would need to trade up, but don't rule it out #NFLDraft

Insideop
03-21-2012, 05:26 PM
Dane Brugler ‏ @dpbrugler

Texans coaches also spent a considerable amount of time with WR K. Wright today. Would need to trade up, but don't rule it out #NFLDraft

I would hope they don't trade up to get Wright. We have too many other holes to fill now that we've lost so many in FA, cuts, and trades. Also, I'm not sold on Wright anyway. Does he run good routes? Can he block? How good are his hands? I'm sure the Texans checked him out at his Pro-Day. I guess we'll see what they think of him on Draft day.

aussie_texan
03-22-2012, 09:50 PM
Rueben Randle apparently run in the 4.3s for his pro day today.
By all accounts it was an impressive work out.

Does this change anyones opinion?
His he considered a 1st rounder now?
I rate him as a high 2nd.

steelbtexan
03-22-2012, 10:33 PM
Rueben Randle apparently run in the 4.3s for his pro day today.
By all accounts it was an impressive work out.

Does this change anyones opinion?
His he considered a 1st rounder now?
I rate him as a high 2nd.

Doesn't change my opinion of him. Nor Bah's in the TT mock draft.

With the 26th pick in the NFL draft the Houston Texans select Rueben Randle Lousiana St University. This is a phrase I hope to hear come draft day.

Vinny
03-23-2012, 01:05 AM
I don't think its a great class. (i did during the season though)
but not comparing to other positions thats how i see the tiers though
I think this class has some merit as far as how many mid range prospects there are, but I'd feel better about taking a guy in the 3rd round than in the 1st round in this draft. I'm just not feeling the top of this draft class.

aussie_texan
03-23-2012, 02:54 AM
Doesn't change my opinion of him. Nor Bah's in the TT mock draft.

With the 26th pick in the NFL draft the Houston Texans select Rueben Randle Lousiana St University. This is a phrase I hope to hear come draft day.

i wouldn't be angry with this pick. i like him.
the most interesting part for me is who we don't pick.

aussie_texan
03-23-2012, 02:54 AM
I think this class has some merit as far as how many mid range prospects there are, but I'd feel better about taking a guy in the 3rd round than in the 1st round in this draft. I'm just not feeling the top of this draft class.

how do you rate the top 2 talents then, floyd and blackmon

Lucky
03-23-2012, 10:49 AM
how do you rate the top 2 talents then, floyd and blackmon
I don't want to speak for Vinny. But, I think Floyd is a little stiff. Reminds me some of David Boston. Boston was a good WR with the Cards, then "overtrained". Floyd makes sense running the slants in the WCO. But, I don't think he has the acceleration to become a deep threat, despite his timed speed.

Blackmon is the best run after catch WR in this draft. But, he's not a traditional outside receiver. I think he might end up best playing the slot. I think he will be very productive, but not the type of WR I associate as a top 5 pick.

VTexan
03-23-2012, 10:54 AM
It's looking more and more unlikely that we will draft a WR in the first round with all the needs we have. (possibly why jacoby hasn't been released yet).

This is an interesting WR class... lots of talented receivers but the rankings are all over the board this year (besides Blackmon and Floyd being the general consensus of No.1 and No 2). Some teams are going to end up with some steals, me thinks.




/still holding out for Broyles later in the draft!

76Texan
03-23-2012, 12:41 PM
Floyd vs. Brandon Harris:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX5tvEHkfyo

1st play (3rd and 15 - 12:34 in the first)
Floyd at the top of the screen.
Harris was at the nickel and came up on a bad angle.
Floyd made him miss badly.

1:14 (4:40 in the first)
Harris "kinda" panicked and lost track of the ball on the TD catch.

2'00
Floyd stuck his foot in the ground on a slant and left Harris "in the dirt" but the ball was thrown to a different receiver.

3'32 (2nd and 7 - 11:30 in the thrird)
Harris pulled on Floyd's shoulder in the end zone.

76Texan
03-23-2012, 12:53 PM
Rueben Randle apparently run in the 4.3s for his pro day today.
By all accounts it was an impressive work out.

Does this change anyones opinion?
His he considered a 1st rounder now?
I rate him as a high 2nd.

I read one account with him running an average 4.43 and another stating that he ran an average 4.40.

A blogger at GeauxTigers (likely the "best" source) had him at 4.42

http://espn.go.com/blog/colleges/lsu/post?id=915

For Randle, cutting a 4.55 combine 40 to 4.42 Thursday might help him chip away at the notion that he's just a big receiver (he was measured at 6 foot 3, 210 pounds Thursday) with average speed. A player many considered to be a possible late first-round pick, Randle entered Thursday ranked No. 55 in ESPN's player rankings, just one spot ahead of less-heralded LSU teammate Brandon Taylor.

"I think the coaches understood I was fast," Randle said. "Watching the film, they understand. They couldn't figure out how I ran what I ran in the combine looking at film. So today I just came out and showed I can run."

Vinny
03-23-2012, 01:56 PM
how do you rate the top 2 talents then, floyd and blackmon

Floyd has had multiple arrests centered around drinking...donno if we would take this guy. I actually like this guy on the field but at times he seemed easy to cover although he won a lot of those matchups with physical play and his ability to get to the ball like Fitz. He would add some toughness here, but I don't see him as a clean, clear no-brainer type.

I like Blackmon too, but he has separation issues himself. He catches the ball in traffic, but how open is he gonna get in the NFL? There are a ton of guys who have lots of potential in the mid rounds...that's where I'd look for a wr in this class. Blackmon won't be there where we draft anyway.

Playoffs
04-01-2012, 01:22 PM
National Football Post-- Breaking down the tiers of wide out prospects… (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-Draft-Ranking-the-WR-class-by-Tiers.html)

Tier 1I'm hearing/seeing more & more a consensus that the top of 2012 WR class is a step down from 2011. Basically, WRs "should" be bunched into 2nd round -- not that they will be.

majestrate
04-02-2012, 02:27 PM
Anyone read this story yet? If it's been posted already, my bad :(

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/18246407/smallschool-wideout-works-his-way-into-pro-day-sensation

Rey
04-02-2012, 02:35 PM
Anyone read this story yet? If it's been posted already, my bad :(

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/18246407/smallschool-wideout-works-his-way-into-pro-day-sensation

Cool story...

Those numbers are awesome...

I have not heard of him let alone seen him play...

I wonder if he has real football skills?

rmartin65
04-02-2012, 03:24 PM
Cool story...

Those numbers are awesome...

I have not heard of him let alone seen him play...

I wonder if he has real football skills?

I sent out an email to his coach for same game film a couple days ago, and I am hoping to hear back. Sometimes with these smaller schools the coaches are eager to help out amateurs like us.

I had him ranked 8th on my small school ranking before this pro day. I am trying to decide where to move him up to.

Insideop
04-03-2012, 08:54 AM
Anyone read this story yet? If it's been posted already, my bad :(

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/18246407/smallschool-wideout-works-his-way-into-pro-day-sensation

This is the 1st I've heard of him. He might get on a team as a PR/KR but I think he is a little too lite to withstand the pounding in the NFL as a WR. If he were 20+ pounds heavier without losing his speed he might be considered a more durable prospect. At just over 5'10" he could put on more weight. Just don't know how much speed/quickness he would lose.

Playoffs
04-12-2012, 11:37 AM
More red flags re:Jeffrey

South Carolina wide receiver Alshon Jeffrey is like the rich man's version of Vontaze Burfict. Jeffrey is the well-known college star that once appeared destined for the top of the first round that doesn't look as strong under the harsh glare of the pre-draft spotlight.

While Burfict could fall all the way out of the draft, Jeffrey figures only to drop to round two or three. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel explains why:

"Known for sense of entitlement, poor work habits. His production took a nosedive last year (1,517 yards to 762). Weight fluctuates."

That weight has become a hot topic. The Jets are reportedly interested in Jeffrey, but one scout told ESPNNewYork that Jeffrey had a "gut" during the season. The same scout said Jeffrey loves to eat. Jeffrey's weight ballooned to 240 during the season before falling to 216 for the Combine.

Big-bodied receivers that struggle to separate often struggle at the NFL level. Jeffrey relied on his ability to overpower college defenders, but that won't work at the next level.

Jeffrey sounds a lot like Seahawks receiver Mike Williams coming out of USC. The difference: There is no Matt Millen to take him in the top ten.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82841183/article/scout-warns-of-wr-jeffreys-weight-problems

Playoffs
04-12-2012, 11:54 AM
According to Pro Football Weekly's Nolan Nawrocki, some NFL general managers have second-round grades on Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon.
The Vikings don't seem to be one of them, as ESPN's Adam Schefter has reported Minnesota is considering Blackmon as early as the No. 3 pick. "There are GMs who have graded him in the second round," Nawrocki claims. "They do not believe he has the speed after watching every stitch of tape on him in the last two years. He’s not especially physical, and a he’s not a blazer." Nawrocki also said teams became concerned when Blackmon flew to Las Vegas after Oklahoma State's bowl game, rather than take the charter back to school. Apr 12 - 11:18 AM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7402/justin-blackmon

Rey
04-12-2012, 05:34 PM
More red flags re:Jeffrey

South Carolina wide receiver Alshon Jeffrey is like the rich man's version of Vontaze Burfict. Jeffrey is the well-known college star that once appeared destined for the top of the first round that doesn't look as strong under the harsh glare of the pre-draft spotlight.

While Burfict could fall all the way out of the draft, Jeffrey figures only to drop to round two or three. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel explains why:

"Known for sense of entitlement, poor work habits. His production took a nosedive last year (1,517 yards to 762). Weight fluctuates."

That weight has become a hot topic. The Jets are reportedly interested in Jeffrey, but one scout told ESPNNewYork that Jeffrey had a "gut" during the season. The same scout said Jeffrey loves to eat. Jeffrey's weight ballooned to 240 during the season before falling to 216 for the Combine.

Big-bodied receivers that struggle to separate often struggle at the NFL level. Jeffrey relied on his ability to overpower college defenders, but that won't work at the next level.

Jeffrey sounds a lot like Seahawks receiver Mike Williams coming out of USC. The difference: There is no Matt Millen to take him in the top ten.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82841183/article/scout-warns-of-wr-jeffreys-weight-problems

That's a shame. So much talent and he may piss it away.

Insideop
04-12-2012, 08:15 PM
That's a shame. So much talent and he may piss it away.

Yep. Early on I was hoping he could somehow fall to us and become the next "AJ." Now it looks like he'll fall past us!

It's seems like all the top WR's in this years Draft have some flaws, whether it's a lack of speed, size, route running, blocking ability, etc.... I'm thinking maybe the Texans should look at another position in the 1st and get a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round. It might be a better value then.

Lucky
04-15-2012, 03:06 PM
More red flags re:Jeffrey
How does this story on Jeffery's weight qualify as "more red flags"? It's the same story that's been out there all season.

Jeffery has been label overrated so much that he's become underrated. Nope, he wasn't deserving of a top 10 ranking. But look back to the 2010 season where he was dominant vs teams like Alabama and Auburn. Jeffery made plays downfield. In 3 seasons, Jeffery had 9 plays of 50+ yards. In contrast, Notre Dame's Michael Floyd had 4 plays of 50+ yards over 4 seasons.

Is Jeffery's weight gain a concern? Yes. So are Floyd and Blackmon's DUIs. But based on talent, athletic ability, size and production, there's no way there is a round of the draft difference between the top 2 WRs and Jeffery.

powda
04-15-2012, 03:33 PM
I have never read a scouting report about Jeffery that didnt mention Mike Williams. Funny that a bust from years back could scar another players draft status so dramatically. That being said, I'd probably be upset if we drafted him in the first and thrilled if we got him anytime after then.

El Tejano
04-16-2012, 11:26 AM
Yeah, the more I'm looking at it, I'm thinking the same thing on waiting til the 2nd round. What do people say about Kendall Wright though? I think he would be a steal at 26 too though.

However I'm reading more on Brian Quick and I'm not too sure this guy isn't the best option for our team.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=100005

I especially like the fact that he was a basketball guy. Seems like those guys work out well in the red zone.

Playoffs
04-16-2012, 12:28 PM
Despite a 4.55 forty time at the Combine, ex-NFL scout Dave Razzano describes LSU WR Rueben Randle as a "vertical guy" who will stretch the field in the pros.
"Rueben Randle, he's more of a vertical guy even though he didn't run real good," said Razzano. "He plays fast. Boy, he's one guy that'll stretch a defense." Randle did redeem himself with forty times of 4.33 and 4.37 at LSU's Pro Day. We wouldn't be surprised if Randle was drafted much higher than anticipated. NFL teams covet vertical wideouts who create separation.

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7468/rueben-randle
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NFL.com's Gil Brandt describes Wake Forest WR Chris Givens as "probably the best route runner" in the 2012 draft class.
Givens isn't particularly big or physical, but crisp routes can get a rookie on the field quickly in the NFL. Givens' unofficial forty times at the Combine were 4.37 and 4.40 at 5-foot-11, 198. He has drawn some Mike Wallace comparisons. On the pre-draft meetings circuit, Givens has visited the Jets and Rams.

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7430/chris-givens

powda
04-16-2012, 01:05 PM
What do people say about Kendall Wright though?

Im not opposed to the pick at all and we need a playmaker, but i'd be surprised if we drafted him. I dont think kubiak wants a reciever that small. Im looking more at guys like randle and hill.

76Texan
04-16-2012, 04:07 PM
Despite a 4.55 forty time at the Combine, ex-NFL scout Dave Razzano describes LSU WR Rueben Randle as a "vertical guy" who will stretch the field in the pros.
"Rueben Randle, he's more of a vertical guy even though he didn't run real good," said Razzano. "He plays fast. Boy, he's one guy that'll stretch a defense." Randle did redeem himself with forty times of 4.33 and 4.37 at LSU's Pro Day. We wouldn't be surprised if Randle was drafted much higher than anticipated. NFL teams covet vertical wideouts who create separation.

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7468/rueben-randle

Gil Brandt NFL.com Blog:

Rueben Randle, WR (6-3 1/8, 212) — Randall ran 4.43 and 4.45 40-yard dashes and a a 4.56 short shuttle, and posted a 31-inch vertical jump and a 10-1 broad. He caught about five passes before pulling his right hamstring on a dig route, but he looked very good in limited time.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/22/claiborne-shows-off-at-lsu-pro-day/

Also, note that all three guys at the LSU Pro-day ran quite faster than their time at the combine shows. It could have something to do with the track ????

The 31" vertical is far from attractive and his wingspan of 72" pales in comparison to Dale Moss' 79" plus or Brian Quick's 80" plus.

Also, Quick has a 34" vertical, while Moss has an outstanding 41"5

Playoffs
04-17-2012, 12:40 PM
Cosell Talks: Blackmon or Floyd?
by Greg Cosell (http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/04/17/cosell-talks-the-blackmonfloyd-declaration/)

The receiver position in the NFL has changed significantly in the last number of years. With the proliferation of multiple receiver sets and the alignment versatility of tight ends, the passing game has expanded considerably. More three-receiver personnel groupings, tight ends who can split wide and threaten all areas of the field, backs who can run vertical routes against overmatched linebackers — the NFL has evolved into a matchup league, deriving principally from passing concepts. This has enhanced the value of wide receivers...

...Blackmon, by all accounts, is the best receiver in this draft, maybe a top-five pick. Floyd seems to be the consensus second-best wide receiver, but in the eyes of most, not the equal of Blackmon.

I have watched numerous games of both receivers, dating back to 2010. Always keep in mind when evaluating receivers that college production is secondary to physical attributes. The objective is to transition the player to the NFL, and there are two (not the only two, of course) defining factors that must be acknowledged when making that projection. One is the sizeable difference in the hash marks between college and NFL football. In college, there is a defined wide side of the field; that accounts for many easy catches and yards, and says very little about the receiver’s skill set. The second factor is the lack of relative quality at the corner position in college football. It’s rarely discussed, but it must be recognized and conceded...


...Floyd vs. Blackmon: A fascinating and compelling study. Many will disagree, but I see Floyd as the more complete prospect. The film tells me he has more ability to line up on the outside and win one-on-one. Blackmon’s success will be more a function of scheme, and how he’s utilized in the context of a multi-dimensional passing offense.

these are excerpts, read the complete article: http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/04/17/cosell-talks-the-blackmonfloyd-declaration/

Playoffs
04-20-2012, 09:11 AM
http://www.espnflorida.com/insider-fun-with-draft-stats-wrs/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=insider-fun-with-draft-stats-wrs

WR Stats: "Success rate" in 1st round: 40%; 2nd round: 22.4%; 3rd round: 15%; rounds 4-7: 6.5%

Dropoff from 1st to 2nd round is lowest for any offensive position.

Numbers from 2000-2010 drafts.

Playoffs
04-20-2012, 06:07 PM
Greg Cosell:

Chris Givens, WR, Wake Forest: I’m struggling to understand why I don’t hear more about the Wake Forest wide receiver. He’s a little bigger, and just as explosive vertically as Kendall Wright. Just as importantly, Givens played to his speed on almost every snap. He showed dynamic acceleration on vertical routes, especially with free access off the line. He was both deceptively and explosively fast. He went from zero to 60 in a heartbeat. There were a couple of negatives, of course. He wasn’t as effective as an intermediate route runner; his explosive movement did not always translate to quickness in and out of breaks. The larger issue was his hands; at times he fought the ball and struggled to make routine catches. Based on my evaluation, I don’t feel Givens should make it out of the second round.

Playoffs
04-23-2012, 03:29 PM
Eric Galko ‏ @OptimumScouting Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Mid-Late Round Versions of Top 10 WRs:

J.Blackmon - Rishard Matthews;
K.Wright - AJ Jenkins;
B.Quick - Rico Wallace (D3);
M.Jones - Tim Benford

rmartin65
04-23-2012, 07:08 PM
Really like Rico Wallace... kid could be a stud.