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mussop
02-15-2012, 09:10 PM
1. Indianapolis Colts: QB Andrew Luck

2. St. Louis Rams: WR Justin Blackmon

3. Minnesota Vikings: OT Matt Kalil

4. Cleveland Browns: QB Robert Griffin III

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: RB Trent Richardson

6. Washington Redskins: CB Morris Claiborne

7. Jacksonville Jaguars: DE Quinton Coples

8. Carolina Panthers: DT Michael Brockers

9, Miami Dolphins: OT Riley Reiff

10. Buffalo Bills: LB Courtney Upshaw

11. Kansas City Chiefs: Luke Kuechly

12. Seattle Seahawks: DE Melvin Ingram

13. Arizona Cardinals: OT Jonathan Martin

14. Dallas Cowboys: S Mark Barron

15. Philadelphia Eagles: DT Fletcher Cox

16. New York Jets: G Cordy Glenn

17. Cincinnati Bengals: CB Dre Kirkpatrick

18. San Diego Chargers: WR Michael Floyd

19. Chicago Bears: OT Mike Adams

20. Tennessee Titans: DE Whitney Mercilus

21. Cincinnati Bengals: G David DeCastro

22. Cleveland Browns: WR Kendall Wright

23. Detroit Lions: CB Janoris Jenkins

24. Pittsburgh Steelers: DT Dontari Poe

25. Denver Broncos: DT Devon Still

26. Houston Texans: DT Jerel Worthy

Me likey. :kingkong:

27. New England Patriots: OLB Vinny Curry

28. Green Bay Packers: S Harrison Smith

29. Baltimore Ravens: C Peter Konz

30. San Francisco 49ers: WR Rueben Randle

31. New England Patriots: DT Kendall Reyes

32. New York Giants: TE Dwayne Allen

TimeKiller
02-15-2012, 09:39 PM
I thought Devon Still was generally considered a top 10-15 pick? If it fell like this I'd rather see Konz in a Texans uni...

mussop
02-15-2012, 11:54 PM
I thought Devon Still was generally considered a top 10-15 pick? If it fell like this I'd rather see Konz in a Texans uni...

Still has been falling since the senior bowl. I would love Konz but he is no Worthy!

beerlover
02-16-2012, 11:10 AM
It would be a reach to move Jerel Worthy to play a position he is not familiar with. This mock falls apart to me quickly, not a big fan of his scouting abilities.

badboy
02-16-2012, 11:26 AM
Agree with Beerlover's post.

TimeKiller
02-16-2012, 02:00 PM
Still has been falling since the senior bowl. I would love Konz but he is no Worthy!

They play different positions....and Konz is best OC in the draft. Worthy isn't the best DL by a wide margin.

Dutchrudder
02-16-2012, 05:53 PM
If we don't sign Mario, Curry should be considered.
If we don't sign Myers, Konz shouldn't be passed up.
If Decastro is there, I say we take him if Myers is re-signed, regardless of what else happens.
If Michael Floyd is there, I say we take him, but only if Konz and Decastro are gone.

Lots of contingencies to consider, but we will have a much better idea by the end of March.

mussop
02-16-2012, 06:48 PM
They play different positions....and Konz is best OC in the draft. Worthy isn't the best DL by a wide margin.

LOL I know who they are and what position they play. I guess my attempt at word play didn't workout like I thought it would. Also, what do positional rankings have to do with the price of butter in China?



It would be a reach to move Jerel Worthy to play a position he is not familiar with.

Like it was when we drafted JJ Watt who played 4/3 DE and started him at DE in our 3/4? Worthy's best attribute is his ability to penetrate. At 6'3" and 310 lbs with his explosive burst at the snap he could play inside or out in our defense. He is vocal and plays with alot of emotion. Can be real nasty but is has a high football IQ. He's known for pointing out things like hot receivers and run plays to team mates before plays.

If somehow he is still available when we're up at 26 we should run up to the podium. He fits this defense in so many ways its scary.

This mock falls apart to me quickly, not a big fan of his scouting abilities.

I'm wondering about your scouting abilities after that last comment. :peek:

So where do you think this mock falls apart and why?

mussop
02-16-2012, 07:01 PM
If we don't sign Mario, Curry should be considered.
If we don't sign Myers, Konz shouldn't be passed up.
If Decastro is there, I say we take him if Myers is re-signed, regardless of what else happens.
If Michael Floyd is there, I say we take him, but only if Konz and Decastro are gone.

Lots of contingencies to consider, but we will have a much better idea by the end of March.

I don't understand the line of thinking that we should draft a DE in the first round if we loose Mario. Why? I love Decastro, there aren't a lot of players I would take in front of him. If we loose Meyers we better draft Konz. I'm not sold Smithiak thinks like all the fans and the media about our WR situation. I really hope the early portion of our draft goes to adding talent to our trenches be it OL or DL.

Foster is incredible, we need to give him the best blocking possible while he is still young and at the top of his game. RB's don't last that long. With the way our defense flies around the ball we need major depth and talent in our front seven. As long as we see to it that those two things are taken care of we will be in good shape.

TimeKiller
02-16-2012, 07:30 PM
LOL I know who they are and what position they play. I guess my attempt at word play didn't workout like I thought it would. Also, what do positional rankings have to do with the price of butter in China?

No it didn't. Just seemed like you thought they were comparable.

beerlover
02-16-2012, 08:24 PM
Like it was when we drafted JJ Watt who played 4/3 DE and started him at DE in our 3/4? Worthy's best attribute is his ability to penetrate. At 6'3" and 310 lbs with his explosive burst at the snap he could play inside or out in our defense. He is vocal and plays with alot of emotion. Can be real nasty but is has a high football IQ. He's known for pointing out things like hot receivers and run plays to team mates before plays.

If somehow he is still available when we're up at 26 we should run up to the podium. He fits this defense in so many ways its scary.

Worthy is no 3-4 DE. He did not play similar position either @ Michigan State. Now if Texans played in a 4-3 & needed a one gap DT that would be different. To compare him to Watt is inaccurate, nor does he fit NG or played that position either. Not a fit here.


I'm wondering about your scouting abilities after that last comment. :peek:

I've seen worse but c'mon he is supposed to be the authority or are you actually..... Mel? taking my comments personel?


So where do you think this mock falls apart and why?

You don't pay me like you pay Kipper in golden laced gobblets :wesmantexanfan:

mussop
02-16-2012, 11:47 PM
Worthy is no 3-4 DE. He did not play similar position either @ Michigan State. Now if Texans played in a 4-3 & needed a one gap DT that would be different. To compare him to Watt is inaccurate, nor does he fit NG or played that position either. Not a fit here.

Watt played DE in a 4/3 then came here and played DE in a 3/4. There are numerous scouting reports out there that say he could play the 5 in a 3/4.

I've seen worse but c'mon he is supposed to be the authority or are you actually..... Mel? taking my comments personel?

Just playin!


You don't pay me like you pay Kipper in golden laced gobblets :wesmantexanfan:

I don't pay anyone for scouting reports.

Brisco_County
02-17-2012, 12:43 AM
I'm not a fan of Mel Kiper, and I dislike his scouting even more. Last year he said we would take a receiver first, knowing our needs on defense.

beerlover
02-17-2012, 11:54 AM
I don't pay anyone for scouting reports.

You should, might help!

Coples has great size but will need to improve technique, hence emphasis on his work ethic/consistency. His value should project to 15-20 not top 10.

Mark Barron is not a first round pick. Kirkpatrick will need to play FS doesn't have fluid hips to play corner plus not overly fast. Again both reaches.

Reiff should not be a top 10 pick, RT's should not go this high.

Those are just a sampling of nitpicks the Patriot picks are downright horrible as is the Texans pick.

Stay thirsty, my friend :wesmantexanfan:

badboy
02-17-2012, 12:20 PM
If we don't sign Mario, Curry should be considered.
If we don't sign Myers, Konz shouldn't be passed up.
If Decastro is there, I say we take him if Myers is re-signed, regardless of what else happens.
If Michael Floyd is there, I say we take him, but only if Konz and Decastro are gone.

Lots of contingencies to consider, but we will have a much better idea by the end of March.As I think a good OG can be taken in 2nd, I'd take Wright or Floyd (if Texan would sign him due to off field issues).

Dutchrudder
02-17-2012, 02:32 PM
I don't understand the line of thinking that we should draft a DE in the first round if we loose Mario. Why?

Vinny Curry would be an OLB in our system, and I said he should be considered, not taken. It depends on how other things shake out in free agency. If we keep Myers, Brisiel and Foster, WR and OLB would be our top two positions of need. However, I expect Blackmon, Floyd and Wright to be off the board by 26, so I would rather spend that pick on a good OLB. That's all, it's just a bunch of IF statements :)

I love Decastro, there aren't a lot of players I would take in front of him. If we loose Meyers we better draft Konz. I'm not sold Smithiak thinks like all the fans and the media about our WR situation. I really hope the early portion of our draft goes to adding talent to our trenches be it OL or DL.

As I said, each of those picks is dependent on free agency. If Myers leaves, we must take Konz to keep the o-line in tact. I belive Konz can easily come into our system and start week 1. Same with Decastro. If we lost both Myers and Brisiel, I would have a hard time picking between the two of those guys, but I think Decastro will be gone before Konz. Either way, I hope the Texans aren't forced to pick one of those two due to losses.

Foster is incredible, we need to give him the best blocking possible while he is still young and at the top of his game. RB's don't last that long. With the way our defense flies around the ball we need major depth and talent in our front seven. As long as we see to it that those two things are taken care of we will be in good shape.

I agree with that, but consider all the conditions here. If we keep Myers, Brisiel, Foster (I think that's reasonable) and lose Mario, wouldn't OLB be one of our top needs? We don't have much behind Barwin and Reed, and we need depth there. I think it would come down to OLB and WR, but given the free agency class, I would expect the Texans to pick up a WR more so than an OLB. There is a lot of talent at WR free agency and I would prefer filling that need through free agency. Good WRs are easier to find in this second round than OLBs too, so if that's the case, I would prefer going with Curry at 26 and seeing who falls to 58. Rueben Randel, Dwight Jones, Alshon Jeffery, Tommy Streeter, Sanu, etc etc, any of them could be there.

Dutchrudder
02-17-2012, 02:33 PM
As I think a good OG can be taken in 2nd, I'd take Wright or Floyd (if Texan would sign him due to off field issues).

If Zeitler is who you're thinking of, I don't think he makes it to our 2nd round pick. I don't believe Wright or Floyd will be there at 26 either, but if they are I will be happy taking them.

badboy
02-17-2012, 03:43 PM
If Zeitler is who you're thinking of, I don't think he makes it to our 2nd round pick. I don't believe Wright or Floyd will be there at 26 either, but if they are I will be happy taking them.

My opinion has fluctuated on those exact players also. I'm rooting that Cleveland trades up to #2 for RG3 and theryby gives up the other first and somehow Alshon & Floyd are taken before Wright giving us a chance. It sort of pains me to have been right about Wright being so well thought of.
Washington and Lonnie Edwards also interest me as OGs.

Insideop
02-17-2012, 06:37 PM
As I said, each of those picks is dependent on free agency. If Myers leaves, we must take Konz to keep the o-line in tact. I belive Konz can easily come into our system and start week 1. Same with Decastro. If we lost both Myers and Brisiel, I would have a hard time picking between the two of those guys, but I think Decastro will be gone before Konz. Either way, I hope the Texans aren't forced to pick one of those two due to losses.


I can't imagine Myers or Brisiel leaving. Myers will be 31 and Brisiel will be 29 this year. They are suited to the Zone Blocking scheme. How many other teams run this exclusively like the Texans? Maybe Washington and Seattle. Both of those teams are trying to rebuild. Unless one of those teams, or any other team, throw a boatload of :money: at them, I don't see either one leaving. I think both want to stay and know they have a good thing going here and would be willing to take a little less $$$ to stay. Just hope they can work it all out with Mario, Foster, and the rest of the FA's.

Doppelganger
02-17-2012, 06:49 PM
I can't imagine Myers or Brisiel leaving. Myers will be 31 and Brisiel will be 29 this year. They are suited to the Zone Blocking scheme. How many other teams run this exclusively like the Texans? Maybe Washington and Seattle. Both of those teams are trying to rebuild. Unless one of those teams, or any other team, throw a boatload of :money: at them, I don't see either one leaving. I think both want to stay and know they have a good thing going here and would be willing to take a little less $$$ to stay. Just hope they can work it all out with Mario, Foster, and the rest of the FA's.

I think Briesel is much more likely to leave than Myers. He could play in a power or zone scheme. Myers is 293 lbs soaking wet. He is too light in anything but a ZBS.

Insideop
02-17-2012, 08:10 PM
I think Briesel is much more likely to leave than Myers. He could play in a power or zone scheme. Myers is 293 lbs soaking wet. He is too light in anything but a ZBS.

Brisiel is listed at 300 lbs. Not exactly what I would call your everyday power OG.

mussop
02-18-2012, 05:44 PM
You should, might help!

Doubt it!:shades:

Coples has great size but will need to improve technique, hence emphasis on his work ethic/consistency. His value should project to 15-20 not top 10.

Coples is considered the best pass rushing prospect in the draft. He dominated the senior bowl workouts. All the negatives you point out about him were the same things people were saying about Mario Williams when he was coming out. He easily could go top ten.

This guy seems to disagree with you Bl Top 32 (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89760) he has him ranked #7 of the top 32 players in the draft.

Mark Barron is not a first round pick.

You are right that he probably wont go in the first round but not because of a lack of talent. He will miss the combine because of a double-hernia surgery that held him out of the Senior Bowl. Still barring injury he was widely considered the best safety prospect in the draft and he graded out as a first round pick by many scouts.

Kirkpatrick will need to play FS doesn't have fluid hips to play corner plus not overly fast. Again both reaches.

Depends on the system. There are many that he could fit right into and he is most likely gone top twenty @ CB! Want more proof he is a top twenty prospect? I know you are a big fan of this guy and read his stuff. LINK (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89760)

Reiff should not be a top 10 pick, RT's should not go this high.

Have you ever watched an actual draft? Maybe you should it might help! If you are talented enough (and Reiff is) and you play a position of need for a high picking team it doesn't matter the position is. People used to say that C's never go in the first round. They used to say G's don't go in the first round. Yet year after year they do.

On top of that he is rated top ten by most talent evaluators if you need proof look Bl Top 32 (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?Tt=89760)This guy has him ranked eight overall.




Those are just a sampling of nitpicks the Patriot picks are downright horrible as is the Texans pick.

The patriots are known for taking players that fit their system even though others think they are reaching. As far as the Texans pick goes, again this guy Bl Top 32 (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89760) thinks Worthy is #28 of the top 32 players in the draft.

Stay thirsty, my friend :wesmantexanfan:

Always my friend, always.

mussop
02-18-2012, 06:03 PM
Vinny Curry would be an OLB in our system, and I said he should be considered, not taken. It depends on how other things shake out in free agency. If we keep Myers, Brisiel and Foster, WR and OLB would be our top two positions of need. However, I expect Blackmon, Floyd and Wright to be off the board by 26, so I would rather spend that pick on a good OLB. That's all, it's just a bunch of IF statements :)

I'm sorry I meant OLB. I'm just used to calling Mario a DE. I understand all the IF statements and agree with all of them except that we should use our first pick on depth at OLB. We defiantly need to address it but not necessarily taht early IMO.

As I said, each of those picks is dependent on free agency. If Myers leaves, we must take Konz to keep the o-line in tact. I belive Konz can easily come into our system and start week 1. Same with Decastro. If we lost both Myers and Brisiel, I would have a hard time picking between the two of those guys, but I think Decastro will be gone before Konz. Either way, I hope the Texans aren't forced to pick one of those two due to losses.

Agree 1000000%


I agree with that, but consider all the conditions here. If we keep Myers, Brisiel, Foster (I think that's reasonable) and lose Mario, wouldn't OLB be one of our top needs? We don't have much behind Barwin and Reed, and we need depth there. I think it would come down to OLB and WR, but given the free agency class, I would expect the Texans to pick up a WR more so than an OLB. There is a lot of talent at WR free agency and I would prefer filling that need through free agency. Good WRs are easier to find in this second round than OLBs too, so if that's the case, I would prefer going with Curry at 26 and seeing who falls to 58. Rueben Randel, Dwight Jones, Alshon Jeffery, Tommy Streeter, Sanu, etc etc, any of them could be there.


I already responded to this in the first paragraph but will add, depth is depth. We don't really have very good depth on the interior OL, S, CB, ILB if we loose Dobbins, and we could stand to improve depth at DT and DE. Give me best player available at any of those positions for depth in this draft and we are improving our team. If we can find some young talent that is versatile enough to play more than one position that is a bonus.

beerlover
02-18-2012, 07:51 PM
Have you ever watched an actual draft? Maybe you should it might help! If you are talented enough (and Reiff is) and you play a position of need for a high picking team it doesn't matter the position is. People used to say that C's never go in the first round. They used to say G's don't go in the first round. Yet year after year they do.

Now I know how McShay feels when Kiper goes postal & uses his own words to eat him :cookie:

thunderkyss
02-18-2012, 08:16 PM
:shades:
This guy seems to disagree with you Bl Top 32 (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89760) he has him ranked #7 of the top 32 players in the draft.





That's cold blooded.

SteveSlaton20
02-20-2012, 12:15 PM
Not going to read all of the posts, but where is he supposed to play if we draft him? NT?

Mr teX
02-20-2012, 01:05 PM
Hate Kiper...he's annoying as hell....This is the deepest draft at WR i can remember since we took AJ. We can't lose if we get 1 of the top 5 guys at the position imo. So if we don't take a WR in the 1st im going to be :pissed:

TimeKiller
02-21-2012, 11:51 AM
I agree with that, but consider all the conditions here. If we keep Myers, Brisiel, Foster (I think that's reasonable) and lose Mario, wouldn't OLB be one of our top needs? We don't have much behind Barwin and Reed, and we need depth there. I think it would come down to OLB and WR, but given the free agency class, I would expect the Texans to pick up a WR more so than an OLB. There is a lot of talent at WR free agency and I would prefer filling that need through free agency. Good WRs are easier to find in this second round than OLBs too, so if that's the case, I would prefer going with Curry at 26 and seeing who falls to 58. Rueben Randel, Dwight Jones, Alshon Jeffery, Tommy Streeter, Sanu, etc etc, any of them could be there.

And we don't have ANYTHING beyond Brisiel or Myers. Antoine Caldwell? Not on the same level as Barwin/Reed. I definitely can see them going pass rusher DE or OLB at some point in the draft (maybe both) but this #1 pick is getting real tricky. Just in a bad spot.



Anyone given any thought to grabbing Mark Barron? Or hell, if Kirkpatrick fell and they thought of him to be a FS? Or are we too scared of Alabama DB's to try it again? Since it's such an ugly area...would it be a terrible idea to grab the best safety on most boards even if it's a small reach?

mussop
02-28-2012, 11:26 PM
And we don't have ANYTHING beyond Brisiel or Myers. Antoine Caldwell? Not on the same level as Barwin/Reed. I definitely can see them going pass rusher DE or OLB at some point in the draft (maybe both) but this #1 pick is getting real tricky. Just in a bad spot.



Anyone given any thought to grabbing Mark Barron? Or hell, if Kirkpatrick fell and they thought of him to be a FS? Or are we too scared of Alabama DB's to try it again? Since it's such an ugly area...would it be a terrible idea to grab the best safety on most boards even if it's a small reach?

Barron would be an upgrade over Quin IMO. I wouldn't hate it if we picked him. With the pressure we put on QB's you would think Quin would of picked at least one pass off last year.

TimeKiller
03-02-2012, 08:44 AM
Barron would be an upgrade over Quin IMO. I wouldn't hate it if we picked him. With the pressure we put on QB's you would think Quin would of picked at least one pass off last year.

Meh, INT's are pretty random. Especially on the backend I think you're looking for tipped passes as much as trying to jump a route. Not everybody has that instinct to jump passes like Ed Reed, that's what makes him special. Besides, Quin was never a high INT guy, pretty sure he got all 3 against Rusty Smith his first year. Quin's coverage was an obvious improvement over Wilson/Pollard though and he brought a pretty good pile of wood to the position as well.

I wouldn't oppose Barron, he's big, he's fast, he's a good tackler and has a nose for playmaking when the ball is in the air. He and Manning would be awesome and Quin could play CB or backup S or nickel/slot cover guy.

People want to say, Wade and Barwin/Reed/Watt improved the pass rush and it did, no doubt....but Confucious knows: Improved coverage::Improved pass rush. The 2ndary is still a few players away, they might be Harris or Carmichael but Barron would be a helluva choice, especially since it seems like there are about 20 no doubter 1st rounders and more than a few guys who will be considered a reach when they get picked at the end of the 1st.

amazing80
03-02-2012, 08:59 AM
Barron would be an upgrade over Quin IMO. I wouldn't hate it if we picked him. With the pressure we put on QB's you would think Quin would of picked at least one pass off last year.

Ya grabbing Barron and allowing Quin to play corner improves our secondary. I would be fine with this.....

bah007
03-02-2012, 11:44 AM
So EVERYBODY wanted Quin to move over to FS last year. And now we want to move him back to CB?

beerlover
03-02-2012, 11:56 AM
So EVERYBODY wanted Quin to move over to FS last year. And now we want to move him back to CB?

Yeah, I really don't understand this either? Quin is the consummate teammate, moved to a new position & started every game for a defense that did a complete turnaround all for much less than a first round pick would cost (still playing on his rookie four-year, $2.240 million contract). Freaking genius'es around here :fingergun:

amazing80
03-02-2012, 01:55 PM
Yeah, I really don't understand this either? Quin is the consummate teammate, moved to a new position & started every game for a defense that did a complete turnaround all for much less than a first round pick would cost (still playing on his rookie four-year, $2.240 million contract). Freaking genius'es around here :fingergun:

Well lets be honest what other good options were there last season at SS? If we can grab a potential star like Barron at SS wouldn't you consider it? Then if you do that Quin is still good enough to start, so you move him to corner....

WolverineFan
03-02-2012, 04:45 PM
So EVERYBODY wanted Quin to move over to FS last year. And now we want to move him back to CB?

But, but, but.....interceptions!!!!!

Mr teX
03-02-2012, 05:13 PM
Well lets be honest what other good options were there last season at SS? If we can grab a potential star like Barron at SS wouldn't you consider it? Then if you do that Quin is still good enough to start, so you move him to corner....

CB & Safety are 2 different positions & besides that, You just don't do that to a player. How's he supposed to show improvement at a spot if you keep changing his position? Aside from that, We still don't know what we have in Brandon Harris & Roc Carmicheal...you know, 2 cbs we drafted just last year.

beerlover
03-02-2012, 06:59 PM
Well lets be honest what other good options were there last season at SS? If we can grab a potential star like Barron at SS wouldn't you consider it? Then if you do that Quin is still good enough to start, so you move him to corner....

yeah, lets be honest, hell no. Quin is the Texans starting Srong Safety going forward & Wade loves the guy. CB yes, DL, OL yes, LB sure.

Dutchrudder
03-03-2012, 01:00 AM
So EVERYBODY wanted Quin to move over to FS last year. And now we want to move him back to CB?

I don't get it either. Quin is a fine safety, he's nowhere near contending for All-pro or even second team. He's solid safety, but not spectacular. That's fine with me. You can't have pro-bowlers at every spot on a roster.

thunderkyss
03-03-2012, 10:58 AM
I don't get it either. Quin is a fine safety, he's nowhere near contending for All-pro or even second team. He's solid safety, but not spectacular. That's fine with me. You can't have pro-bowlers at every spot on a roster.

I thought he looked pretty good at corner.

I think he looks pretty good at safety. Damn good considering it was his first year.

I'd like to see him after a full off-season. With better play from the #2 corner & our Free safety & Glover himself, I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised from the group as a whole.

Lucky
03-03-2012, 11:18 AM
If Barron were an amazing Polamalu type talent, then he would be a consideration. But, he's not. So this pick makes little sense. Taking a Tackle, RB, or QB makes little sense. I would include TE, but I don't know if Dreessen is a certain re-sign. Pretty much everything else should be on the table, with WR getting the edge if the talent is equal.

mussop
03-03-2012, 02:02 PM
So EVERYBODY wanted Quin to move over to FS last year. And now we want to move him back to CB?

Who said anything about moving him back to CB?

mussop
03-03-2012, 02:13 PM
Yeah, I really don't understand this either? Quin is the consummate teammate, moved to a new position & started every game for a defense that did a complete turnaround all for much less than a first round pick would cost (still playing on his rookie four-year, $2.240 million contract). Freaking genius'es around here :fingergun:

Consummate teammate or not if we can upgrade him and make our secondary better, thats life in the NFL. Smithiack has stated more than once that they like secondary players that create turnovers. Quin is a decent player but not replaceable. Barron is the most talented S in this draft. If we were to draft him I'm sure Quin would still have a significant role one defense. He would replace players like Demps and others improving our depth and making our secondary that much stronger. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. :fingergun:

beerlover
03-03-2012, 03:41 PM
Consummate teammate or not if we can upgrade him and make our secondary better, thats life in the NFL. Smithiack has stated more than once that they like secondary players that create turnovers. Quin is a decent player but not replaceable. Barron is the most talented S in this draft. If we were to draft him I'm sure Quin would still have a significant role one defense. He would replace players like Demps and others improving our depth and making our secondary that much stronger. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. :fingergun:

evidently it does :lion:

Rey
03-03-2012, 03:56 PM
Consummate teammate or not if we can upgrade him and make our secondary better, thats life in the NFL. Smithiack has stated more than once that they like secondary players that create turnovers. Quin is a decent player but not replaceable. Barron is the most talented S in this draft. If we were to draft him I'm sure Quin would still have a significant role one defense. He would replace players like Demps and others improving our depth and making our secondary that much stronger. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. :fingergun:

I don't often agree with mussop...



But when I do, I prefer Dos Equis...

steelbtexan
03-03-2012, 04:14 PM
Quin did a great job in his 1st yr at SS. He has 2 qualities that make him a perfect fit for the Texans defense.

1. As a former CB he can drop down and play the slot WR. A must for Wades defense. (Barron isn't good at this.
2. He's a very good tackler as the last line of defense.

The only way you move Quin is if there's a Reed or Polamalu when the Texans are picking then you pick them. (no brainer) There isn't a S in the draft like those guys though. So let Quin make his natural improvement by gaining experience at SS. He will get better.

If you want to improve the CB2 problem, then invest Rd.1 Stephon Gilmore or Josh Robinson Rd.2 Chase Minniefield rd. 3

mussop
03-03-2012, 09:00 PM
evidently it does :lion:

I wouldn't call myself a genius but thanks for the complement.

Playoffs
03-11-2012, 08:04 PM
Kiper has a new mock out, but I'm not an Insider: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story?id=7651472&_slug_=mel-kiper-third-mock-draft-year&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft2012%2fstory%3fid%3d7651472%26_slug_%3dmel-kiper-third-mock-draft-year

Dutchrudder
03-11-2012, 10:30 PM
Kiper has a new mock out, but I'm not an Insider: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story?id=7651472&_slug_=mel-kiper-third-mock-draft-year&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft2012%2fstory%3fid%3d7651472%26_slug_%3dmel-kiper-third-mock-draft-year

Nothing special, he has the Texans taking Wright. Big one that stood out to me was Lavonte David @22 to the Browns. That guy isn't a first rounder.

Minnesota Vikings

Record: 3-13
* Matt Kalil, OT, USC

This is one I'm going to stick with. I've liked the pick since the first mock, and I don't see a reason to change. Minnesota needs an upgrade at left tackle, and Kalil is the rare one who could step into that position right away at the NFL level. There's a lot of talk about which quarterback will go where right now, but this pick is about keeping Christian Ponder upright for the Vikings. They won't know what they have unless they can block for him. And it's obvious this will help the running game, too.

Cleveland Browns

Record: 4-12
* Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma St.

Cleveland won't get RG3, but I think Blackmon will be there at this spot, and they'll get a big-time talent and something their offense desperately needs. The obvious question is what they'll do at QB, but I think they could be active in free agency in that regard. Blackmon's pro day was a success, and he quieted some questions about his speed. He'll be a great fit in the offense.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Record: 5-11

* Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama

This is one more I'm sticking with. Richardson could land here despite the presence of LaGarrette Blount, and depending on how his workouts go, I can see a team trading into this position to take him. Great running teams need more than one good back, and Richardson is superior to Blount. Further, if the Bucs are going with a best player available at this spot, Richardson fits the bill. I can also see the Bucs taking a close look at cornerbacks, which brings the next guy on the board into play, but I like Richardson here until I get a clear signal they're going another direction.

St. Louis Rams (from Washington)

Record: 2-14
* Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

St. Louis may not be done. I can see them moving down again, as they have multiple needs and may not be in love with the value of this pick if Blackmon isn't on the board. However, if they remain at this spot, Claiborne makes a lot of sense. The Rams' secondary was a disaster last year, and they have a chance to take the top cornerback in the draft if things break this way. I can also see them going for either offensive line or defensive tackle help at this spot.
Jacksonville Jaguars

Record: 5-11
Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina

Coples wasn't quite as dominant as I thought he'd be during the 2011 season, but the draft process has reinforced what a lot of front office folks believed, which is that he's clearly the top 4-3 defensive end in the draft. The Jags need pass-catchers, but if Blackmon isn't available, Coples fits. Jacksonville sacked opposing quarterbacks fewer than two times a game in 2011, and Coples is a great fit for the scheme. He has great length at 6-foot-6, and the size to hold up in the run game, complementing his pass-rush skills. Jacksonville is another team that simply needs to upgrade its talent level, so the Jaguars shouldn't reach based on need.
Miami Dolphins

Record: 6-10
Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa

The Dolphins will be adding a quarterback -- Manning is obviously in play -- and Reiff puts the finishing touches on an improved offensive line. Reiff was exceptional this past season, and given how complete he is right now, stepping in immediately on the right side shouldn't be a problem. I've said that outside linebacker would make sense here, but Miami knows offensive line play will be a big part of their success in 2012, regardless of who takes the snaps. They went O-line in Round 1 last year with good results, and doubling down wouldn't hurt them.
Carolina Panthers

Record: 6-10
* Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis

The Carolina defense couldn't stop the run last year and had to rotate a pair of rookies on the defensive interior. The offense could use a couple pieces, but they'll be able to score points. Carolina needs to find some stops. Poe was the story of the combine on the defensive side of the ball. He posted numbers for a big man we haven't seen since Haloti Ngata, and if his technique matches the physical traits, he can be a really good one. His size will get him pegged for a 3-4, but I like him better in a 4-3.
Buffalo Bills

Record: 6-10
Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina

Ingram's stock is on the rise, and the Bills need a pass-rusher. He's billed as a defensive end based on the system at South Carolina, but Buffalo can use him in their personnel groupings and not limit what he does best. He's a pass-rusher, but isn't a guy that becomes a liability against the run. I think there is still growth in Ingram's game, as he learns to better disengage from blocks. With Steve Johnson back in the fold, the Bills should put their focus on defense early.
Kansas City Chiefs

Record: 7-9
* Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

Kuechly came to Indy with concerns about his size. But he weighed in at over 240 pounds, easing some of those concerns, and then shined in workouts, proving the added bulk won't slow him down; a classic case where a guy answers the big questions and solidifies his stock. Romeo Crennel needs linebackers with great instincts who can be physical in the run game, make stops and also get into the backfield when asked. Kuechly is simply a machine, a prototype for what you want in an interior linebacker. I can see the Chiefs looking for a nose tackle, so if Poe is around, that pick makes sense as well.
Seattle Seahawks

Record: 7-9
Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

There's no question that Tannehill's stock was helped when a couple of other QBs opted to stay in college, but his growth curve has been exceptional, and he's a guy you draft with a very high ceiling in mind. Good arm, the athleticism you'd expect from a former wide receiver and with very good instincts for the position, some team will take him in the upper half of Round 1. We know Seattle isn't set on a long-term solution at QB, and Tannehill makes sense as a guy that gets a full year of developmental time.
Arizona Cardinals

Record: 8-8
Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame

Offensive line would be the more obvious pick here, but I want to see what the Cardinals do in free agency first. Floyd would be a great complement to Larry Fitzgerald in that offense, and give the Cardinals an enviable pair of guys that can work underneath, go deep and also post up smaller defensive backs in the red zone. Outside of the offensive line, Floyd is as much as you could do to help a quarterback.
Dallas Cowboys

Record: 8-8
Mark Barron, S, Alabama

We all know the story. Dallas was a mess defending the pass in 2011, and it might look for help both in free agency and here. Barron's a perfect fit for the Cowboys. He's the best safety in the draft, and the Cowboys can't go wrong with either the top safety or the top cornerback here. He didn't work out in Indianapolis, coming off double hernia surgery, but it's not a lingering concern.
Philadelphia Eagles

Record: 8-8
* Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

No team was softer up the middle than Philly in 2011, and in Brockers the Eagles get a big, active player who can both take up blocks and penetrate. He weighed in at 322 pounds at the NFL combine, heavier than I've ever had him listed, but I don't see him as a prototype 3-4 nose tackle. My guess is he'll play a little lighter once he gets into camp, and the Eagles will benefit, particularly against the run. This is like a baseball team -- they need to build out the middle of the field on defense. If Kuechly is here, that makes sense as well.
New York Jets

Record: 8-8
Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama

Rex Ryan needs a guy that can get to the quarterback on his own, meaning without a blitz package, and Upshaw is that kind of player. He plays with a high motor, sheds blocks well with quickness and violent hands and makes plenty of sense in Ryan's system. He's also bigger than he was listed at Alabama. The Jets could also grab Barron if he's on the board, or get a defensive lineman if they see a fit.
Cincinnati Bengals (from Oakland)

Record: 8-8
* Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama

Johnathan Joseph left a void last year when he landed in Houston as a free agent, and Kirkpatrick will fill the void. This is a big, physical corner who doesn't give up much in coverage given his size (nearly 6-3), which makes him particularly good inside the red zone. He's also tough against the run. I have the Bengals as a team who could trade up for Richardson if he starts to fall on the board, but if they don't, Kirkpatrick offers immediate help.
San Diego Chargers

Record: 8-8
Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois

The book on Mercilus is he's an athletic, long-armed pass-rush specialist who simply dominated as a senior. The track record over a few seasons isn't there, but he could be a steal if what we saw in 2011 is what Mercilus truly is. The Chargers need help on the offensive line, but I think free agency will help us get a clearer picture. Mercilus is a great value here, but we'll see how the needs shift.
Chicago Bears

Record: 8-8
Mike Adams, OT, Ohio St.

It looks like the Bears will be really aggressive in targeting wide receivers in free agency, and the offensive line still has to be better. Mike Tice knows as well as anybody that Jay Cutler can be successful in the passing game first if he's not getting hit on every play. Adams wasn't a star in terms of testing, but he's really good in pass protection, and the Bears could use more of that trait along the line. He moves his feet and doesn't get beat inside, but he has the length and technique to protect the edge.
Tennessee Titans

Record: 9-7
* David DeCastro, OG, Stanford

The Titans also need pass-rush help, but if things break this way, DeCastro represents tremendous value, and that offensive line could use the help after a year where the running game totally fell apart. DeCastro is the kind of player you can draft who won't get big headlines, but will pay immediate dividends because they can plug him in Week 1. Obviously, if a pass-rusher they like falls to No. 20, they could go that direction.
Cincinnati Bengals

Record: 9-7
Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia

I have guard as one of the top needs for the Bengals, and if they don't get DeCastro at this spot, Glenn isn't much of a drop. Cincinnati will have added help in the run game next year, but it also needs to get better up front. Glenn is a guy who has also spent time at tackle, and could be moved there in a pinch, but he dominates on the inside and is surprisingly quick given his huge frame. Another good piece in an offense primed to get better.
Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta)

Record: 4-12
Lavonte David, LB, Nebraska

This is a bit of a gut call for me. I'm not sure exactly how teams will use David, but the guy can flat-out play. The question on David was size, but he checked in at 233 pounds last week, and didn't appear to lose a step in the workout phase, which made me rethink my second-round grade. David played smaller at Nebraska, but you won't find a guy that simply flew all over the field the way David did anywhere in the draft. Cleveland needs help in several spots, but David will be productive.
Detroit Lions

Record: 10-6
* Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina

Detroit could get into the mix for a cornerback during free agency -- Cortland Finnegan is a name that has come up often -- but I'd still be shocked if the Lions go two rounds without adding a corner. They have plenty of talent up front, and they need to turn their pass rush into more interceptions. Gilmore is a bigger corner, a guy that can handle big wide receivers, but he also doesn't lose much in terms of quickness. I can also see the Lions going O-line or linebacker here, but corner is a big need.
Pittsburgh Steelers

Record: 12-4
Dont'a Hightower, LB, Alabama

As part of their purge to get in good standing with the salary cap, the Steelers had to cut veteran James Farrior. While they have some young talent at linebacker, given the way their system works, I think they'll want to find Dick LeBeau another player that can help early. Hightower was an exceptional young player for Bama before he lost a year with an ACL injury, but he recovered this year and might have plenty of growth left. The Steelers have new needs, and Hightower fills one.
Denver Broncos

Record: 8-8
* Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi St.

Denver has the pass rush on the edge but must add more depth on the inside, because despite the flashes this defense had last year, overall the Broncos profile as a team that has some holes on that side of the field. Cox is an active guy, a penetrator who will be a great fit in the Denver system, and can help them get some inside push. Cornerback is also a concern, but we'll know more after free agency. If Tannehill is still on the board at this stage, it could make for a pretty interesting draft night.
Houston Texans

Record: 10-6
* Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor

When the Texans lost Andre Johnson last year, it completely eliminated their ability to stretch the field. That's a problem, because this is a system that thrives on regular use of play-action packages, and it loses a lot of juice if there's nobody around to challenge defenses deep. Wright can do that. His performance in Indy wasn't his best, but his tape shines -- you see a guy that plays fast in pads and beats people deep. His hands are also fine.
New England Patriots (from Saints)

Record: 13-3
Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut

I had Reyes to the Patriots with their other first-round pick in a previous mock, and he sticks, albeit a little higher, this time around. The Patriots know they have to get better along the defensive front, and that could come via free agency (Mario Williams?). Still, I'd be surprised if they don't target it in the draft, even though Bill Belichick never fails to make moves and surprise during the draft. Reyes provides an active run-stuffer up front, a guy that can eat up blocks and free up rushers.
Green Bay Packers

Record: 15-1
* Nick Perry, LB, USC

The Packers need help in the secondary, but a lot of that starts with the pass rush. It's not an exaggeration to say the Packers' pass rush fell off a cliff towards the end of last season. In Perry, you get a guy who played with his hand on the ground at USC, but should be able to stand up for the Packers and provide the complement they need.

TimeKiller
03-12-2012, 08:54 AM
Meh. If Wright were available to me as an early 2nd round pick (aka, already got my superstar) I'd be good with taking him....but as your 1st? As your Batman of the draft? Robin, ok but he's no Batman.

thunderkyss
03-12-2012, 01:08 PM
Meh. If Wright were available to me as an early 2nd round pick (aka, already got my superstar) I'd be good with taking him....but as your 1st? As your Batman of the draft? Robin, ok but he's no Batman.

I'm Batman......


signed Andre Johnson

Vinny
03-12-2012, 01:48 PM
So EVERYBODY wanted Quin to move over to FS last year. And now we want to move him back to CB?
I haven't kept up with what everyone wants around here but I wasn't all that impressed with him at S last season despite all the gloss about him at his new position. To me he is a marginal starter at S and a marginal starter at CB. I'd make him our Nick or dime CB if we found a guy who can play the S at a higher level than mediocre.

Playoffs
03-12-2012, 02:36 PM
Nothing special, he has the Texans taking Wright. Big one that stood out to me was Lavonte David @22 to the Browns. That guy isn't a first rounder.Kiper is always great for entertainment purposes.

Every year he latches on to a total loser pick -- like Jimmy Clausen. If I'm A GM, I follow Kiper only to go opposite on players he "loves". :lol:

Wolf6151
03-12-2012, 03:06 PM
Meh. If Wright were available to me as an early 2nd round pick (aka, already got my superstar) I'd be good with taking him....but as your 1st? As your Batman of the draft? Robin, ok but he's no Batman.

Nice way with words, and I agree. I'll pass on Wright.