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Norg
02-14-2012, 04:44 PM
Ok who would U keep and who are U wishin them well in there future endeavors ???? :kitten:




Unrestricted FAs

30 Jason Allen CB
34 Dominique Barber SS
65 Mike Brisiel G/C
93 Tim Bulman DE
17 Jake Delhomme QB
52 Tim Dobbins ILB
85 Joel Dreessen TE
7 Jeff Garcia QB
89 Bryant Johnson WR
55 Chris Myers C
4 Neil Rackers K
64 Kasey Studdard G
1 Matt Turk P
32 Derrick Ward RB
90 Mario Williams OLB/DE

Norg
02-14-2012, 04:50 PM
this would be me my list after the cuts

34 Dominique Barber SS
65 Mike Brisiel G/C
52 Tim Dobbins ILB
85 Joel Dreessen TE
89 Bryant Johnson WR
55 Chris Myers C
4 Neil Rackers K
90 Mario Williams OLB/DE

and if they really wanted to cut it down then it would look like this

85 Joel Dreessen TE
55 Chris Myers C
4 Neil Rackers K

BullNation4Life
02-14-2012, 04:52 PM
Ok who would U keep and who are U wishin them well in there future endeavors ???? :kitten:




Unrestricted FAs

30 Jason Allen CB - GONE
34 Dominique Barber SS - STAYS
65 Mike Brisiel G/C - PRIORITY
93 Tim Bulman DE - STAYS
17 Jake Delhomme QB - RETIRED
52 Tim Dobbins ILB - STAYS
85 Joel Dreessen TE - STAYS
7 Jeff Garcia QB - GONE
89 Bryant Johnson WR - GONE
55 Chris Myers C - PRIORITY
4 Neil Rackers K - GONE
64 Kasey Studdard G - GONE
1 Matt Turk P - GONE
32 Derrick Ward RB - STAYS
90 Mario Williams OLB/DE - GONE




my predictions in bold and color...

Mario Williams will hit the market and get a huge payday, freeing up money to sign Foster, the Priorities and some depth...

dalemurphy
02-14-2012, 04:54 PM
Ok who would U keep and who are U wishin them well in there future endeavors ???? :kitten:




Unrestricted FAs

30 Jason Allen CB
34 Dominique Barber SS
65 Mike Brisiel G/C
93 Tim Bulman DE
17 Jake Delhomme QB
52 Tim Dobbins ILB
85 Joel Dreessen TE
7 Jeff Garcia QB
89 Bryant Johnson WR
55 Chris Myers C
4 Neil Rackers K
64 Kasey Studdard G
1 Matt Turk P
32 Derrick Ward RB
90 Mario Williams OLB/DE


that would be it.

J_R
02-14-2012, 04:57 PM
Keep
Joel Dreessen
Chris Myers
Mario Williams

Goodbye
Tim Bulman
Jake Delhomme
Tim Dobbins
Jeff Garcia
Bryant Johnson
Kasey Studdard
Matt Turk
Derrick Ward

Depends on the alternative
Jason Allen
Dom Barber
Mike Brisiel
Neil Rackers

Doppelganger
02-14-2012, 05:01 PM
Ok who would U keep and who are U wishin them well in there future endeavors ???? :kitten:




Unrestricted FAs

30 Jason Allen CB
34 Dominique Barber SS
65 Mike Brisiel G/C
93 Tim Bulman DE
17 Jake Delhomme QB
52 Tim Dobbins ILB
85 Joel Dreessen TE
7 Jeff Garcia QB
89 Bryant Johnson WR
55 Chris Myers C
4 Neil Rackers K
64 Kasey Studdard G
1 Matt Turk P
32 Derrick Ward RB
90 Mario Williams OLB/DE

If money were no object, i;d keep those in bold.

Texn4life
02-14-2012, 05:03 PM
Keep
Joel Dreessen
Chris Myers
Mario Williams

Goodbye
Tim Bulman
Jake Delhomme
Tim Dobbins
Jeff Garcia
Bryant Johnson
Kasey Studdard
Matt Turk
Derrick Ward

Depends on the alternative
Jason Allen
Dom Barber
Mike Brisiel
Neil Rackers

I agree with everyone on that list except for Dobbins. He's a good special teams player and someone who can fill in in a pinch with Sharpton coming back. We should be able to sign him for the vet minimum too. Everyone else on the goodbye list can hit the bricks.

thunderkyss
02-14-2012, 08:01 PM
Ok who would U keep and who are U wishin them well in there future endeavors ???? :kitten:



I'd keep
55 Chris Myers C


Other than that, I don't really care much, as long as we do something to about adding an outside pass rusher & interior OL.

badboy
02-14-2012, 09:53 PM
Ok who would U keep and who are U wishin them well in there future endeavors ???? :kitten:




Unrestricted FAs

30 Jason Allen CB
34 Dominique Barber SS
65 Mike Brisiel G/C
93 Tim Bulman DE
17 Jake Delhomme QB
52 Tim Dobbins ILB
85 Joel Dreessen TE
7 Jeff Garcia QB
89 Bryant Johnson WR
55 Chris Myers C
4 Neil Rackers K
64 Kasey Studdard G
1 Matt Turk P
32 Derrick Ward RB
90 Mario Williams OLB/DEBriesel, Myers, Rackers & Mario

kiwitexansfan
02-14-2012, 10:50 PM
Here is my take....

LOCK'EM DOWN!!
- Mike Briesel G
- Chris Myers C

Trying REALLY HARD to make it work...
- Mario Williams Freak of Nature

If the price is right.....
Jason Allen CB
Tim Bulman DE
Joel Dreessen TE
Neil Rackers K
Derrick Ward RB

After seeing what else is on the market....
Dominique Barber S
Tim Dobbins ILB
Kasey Studdard G

Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya.....
Jake Delhomme QB
Jeff Garcia QB
Bryant Johnson WR
Matt Turk P

JCTexan
02-14-2012, 11:12 PM
Here is my take....

LOCK'EM DOWN!!
- Mike Briesel G
- Chris Myers C

Trying REALLY HARD to make it work...
- Mario Williams Freak of Nature

If the price is right.....
Jason Allen CB
Tim Bulman DE
Joel Dreessen TE
Neil Rackers K
Derrick Ward RB

After seeing what else is on the market....
Dominique Barber S
Tim Dobbins ILB
Kasey Studdard G

Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya.....
Jake Delhomme QB
Jeff Garcia QB
Bryant Johnson WR
Matt Turk P

This. I don't know if I would change a thing.

Shaft75
02-14-2012, 11:27 PM
Seeing this I just can't believe the evolution of Myers. It seems like yesterday he was thrown around by Jenkins in the Jets game. I'm all for him being a priority this offseason. He's now one of the best centers in the game.

Texan_Bill
02-14-2012, 11:28 PM
Arian Foster (duh), Chris Myers, and that's hard for me to say (after all the crow I've eaten over him), Dresseen AND NO, not necessarily Mario.

Just get Arian, Myers and Dreessen signed this offseasom and I'm fine with the FA signings!!

Texan_Bill
02-14-2012, 11:30 PM
PS... Those two of y'all that "neg. repped" me, y'all got some your own way!! :kitten:

PHAROAH
02-15-2012, 12:20 AM
Ok keep these guys and keep it moving.

23 Arian Foster RB
30 Jason Allen CB
65 Mike Brisiel G/C
52 Tim Dobbins ILB
55 Chris Myers C
4 Neil Rackers K
1 Matt Turk P

Norg
02-15-2012, 01:37 AM
for all of u saying lets keep "Mike Brisiel" i get it hes good hes been on the team for like forever and yall wanna keep the same oline like the same players n all that stuff .....BUT IMO hes just a name player now meaning

He is coming off injury he does get injured and he can be upgraded IMO and for much cheaper ...just sayin

and for someone who has watched the texans alot dat side of the oline is the weakest IMO

Brisiel & Winston ..and can be upgraded IMO but its not a pirority so whatever

BullNation4Life
02-15-2012, 12:02 PM
Arian Foster (duh), Chris Myers, and that's hard for me to say (after all the crow I've eaten over him), Dresseen AND NO, not necessarily Mario.

Just get Arian, Myers and Dreessen signed this offseasom and I'm fine with the FA signings!!

:toropalm: Foster is a REstricted FAs.... The thread is about the UNrestricted FAs....


probably why u got neg repped....

El Tejano
02-15-2012, 12:22 PM
Don't worry Texan_Bill, I was about to say the same thing but remembered what the thread was really about before I posted. LOL!

Corrosion
02-15-2012, 01:41 PM
Here is my take....

LOCK'EM DOWN!!
- Mike Briesel G
- Chris Myers C

Trying REALLY HARD to make it work...
- Mario Williams Freak of Nature

If the price is right.....
Jason Allen CB
Tim Bulman DE
Joel Dreessen TE
Neil Rackers K
Derrick Ward RB

After seeing what else is on the market....
Dominique Barber S
Tim Dobbins ILB
Kasey Studdard G

Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya.....
Jake Delhomme QB
Jeff Garcia QB
Bryant Johnson WR
Matt Turk P



I pretty much agree with your list .... Cept I'd move Rackers down to the "what else is on the market" list. He was painful to watch at times last year ..... even if he's a fan favorite and solid tackler on ST (So was Hartman).

Yankee_In_TX
02-15-2012, 01:47 PM
Unrestricted FAs

30 Jason Allen CB - if 'reasonable' for the player he is, we need cb depth
34 Dominique Barber SS - if 'reasonable' for the player he is, we need safety depth
65 Mike Brisiel G/C - RE-SIGN
93 Tim Bulman DE - he will be on the roster, no matter how many times we cut him he works his way back on the roster
17 Jake Delhomme QB - see ya
52 Tim Dobbins ILB - if he'll take special teams pay
85 Joel Dreessen TE - RESIGN
7 Jeff Garcia QB - see ya
89 Bryant Johnson WR - see ya (assuming a WR in the draft early)
55 Chris Myers C - see ya
4 Neil Rackers K - if we can get someone better, see ya, but kickers league wide seem to suck lately?
64 Kasey Studdard G - see ya if Butler is healty
1 Matt Turk P - see ya, Hartman is back
32 Derrick Ward RB - re-sign if it makes salary sense
90 Mario Williams OLB/DE - if we can get good picks for him, bye, I don't think we can afford to keep him

Yankee_In_TX
02-15-2012, 01:48 PM
Here is my take....



Yup, we pretty much agree.

Goatcheese
02-15-2012, 01:49 PM
Arian Foster (duh), Chris Myers, and that's hard for me to say (after all the crow I've eaten over him), Dresseen AND NO, not necessarily Mario.

Just get Arian, Myers and Dreessen signed this offseasom and I'm fine with the FA signings!!

Why would you eat crow over Myers. He was just bad earlier in his time with the Texans and the critics were right to say so.

I'm glad he turned it around, but it doesn't change the past.

thunderkyss
02-15-2012, 05:24 PM
for all of u saying lets keep "Mike Brisiel" i get it hes good hes been on the team for like forever and yall wanna keep the same oline like the same players n all that stuff .....BUT IMO hes just a name player now meaning

He is coming off injury he does get injured and he can be upgraded IMO and for much cheaper ...just sayin


I wouldn't mind replacing Brisiel. But I was more concerned with Wade Smith this year. Brisiel played hurt, he's a hoss... there was that one game he got called for 3 false starts on the same drive..... one of those was actually Winston's call, but generally, the line plays pretty clean.

I don't care to change out 2/5ths of the OL during any one offseason.

He won't be overly expensive. I'd like to get someone who can start for Wade Smith by the end of the preseason. I wouldn't mind getting someone who could take Brisiel's spot by midseason, but he may already be on the roster.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind playing Butler at RT, moving Winston to RG, then replacing Wade at LG with a FA or high draft pick.

Texan_Bill
02-15-2012, 05:27 PM
:toropalm: Foster is a REstricted FAs.... The thread is about the UNrestricted FAs....


probably why u got neg repped....

Oh do you think so doctor? Brilliant!

:secret: I know Foster is an RA; that's called drunk-posting (or a least a slight buzz). ;)

Corrosion
02-15-2012, 09:00 PM
PS... Those two of y'all that "neg. repped" me, y'all got some your own way!! :kitten:

A rep war with TB is .... a losing battle.

Since when did we pass out neg rep for .... minor things like Foster being discussed as a RFA in a UFA thread ?

Dont sweat it TB , my green dot more than makes up for their lil pea shooter.

Texan_Bill
02-15-2012, 09:04 PM
A rep war with TB is .... a losing battle.

Since when did we pass out neg rep for .... minor things like Foster being discussed as a RFA in a UFA thread ?

Dont sweat it TB , my green dot more than makes up for their lil pea shooter.

Just repped. Also, I just responded to your PM!

Seegara
02-15-2012, 09:13 PM
Ok who would U keep and who are U wishin them well in there future endeavors ???? :kitten:




Unrestricted FAs

30 Jason Allen CB KEEP
34 Dominique Barber SS PAY SOMEBODY TO TAKE
65 Mike Brisiel G/C KEEP
93 Tim Bulman DE MAKE SOME EFFORT TO KEEP
17 Jake Delhomme QB LET GO
52 Tim Dobbins ILB LET GO
85 Joel Dreessen TE LET GO
7 Jeff Garcia QB TRY TO KEEP
89 Bryant Johnson WR LET GO
55 Chris Myers C KEEP
4 Neil Rackers K KEEP
64 Kasey Studdard G LET GO
1 Matt Turk P LET GO
32 Derrick Ward RB KEEP
90 Mario Williams OLB/DE TENDER OR TRADE
My answers in CAPS. How about a thread on restricted FA's?

Corrosion
02-15-2012, 09:20 PM
My answers in CAPS. How about a thread on restricted FA's?

I believe that Foster is the Texans lone RFA.


There is a complete list of FA's in the NFL section.

Texan_Bill
02-15-2012, 09:20 PM
A rep war with TB is .... a losing battle.

Since when did we pass out neg rep for .... minor things like Foster being discussed as a RFA in a UFA thread ?

Dont sweat it TB , my green dot more than makes up for their lil pea shooter.

Freakin' amateurs!! Just responded to your next PM!!!

"Freakin' amateurs" are awesome!!! :kingkong:



:rolleyes:

BullNation4Life
02-16-2012, 01:47 PM
Oh do you think so doctor? Brilliant!

:secret: I know Foster is an RA; that's called drunk-posting (or a least a slight buzz). ;)

Ah got boss, you weren't as think as drunk you are....

that happens when you have tee many martoonies....

ObsiWan
02-16-2012, 02:12 PM
PS... Those two of y'all that "neg. repped" me, y'all got some your own way!! :kitten:

I got ya TB. I didn't see nuttin' that deserved a -1. So have a +1 on me

Norg
02-16-2012, 02:46 PM
Yankee texan did u just say see ya to chris myers this dude went to the probowl ......... And hes like one of the top 4 centers in the leauge ......

welsh texan
02-18-2012, 12:58 PM
Honestly, I wouldn't mind playing Butler at RT, moving Winston to RG, then replacing Wade at LG with a FA or high draft pick.

Can't claim this as my own observation TK, I haven't quite got to this level of technical analysis yet with O-line play, but I've seen it mentioned that Butler doesn't really 'fit' at RT as well as he does at LT.

When discussing the Wade Smith situation, having seen what effect it has on the guys next door on the O-line when they have poor players playing alongside them, I'd guess that Wade Smith can't have been that big of a problem last year otherwise Duane Brown and Chris Myers wouldn't have had elite level seasons at their positions.

Overall, I don't like the idea of letting O-line starters go, basically, if you're going to replace someone on the O-line, make sure it happens through a camp battle, when Wade Smith was brought in he wasn't a guaranteed starter, he had to win the battle, I don't like the idea of being left hoping that your new guy is better than the guy you've just let go.

thunderkyss
02-18-2012, 02:51 PM
When discussing the Wade Smith situation, having seen what effect it has on the guys next door on the O-line when they have poor players playing alongside them, I'd guess that Wade Smith can't have been that big of a problem last year otherwise Duane Brown and Chris Myers wouldn't have had elite level seasons at their positions.

Good point

Overall, I don't like the idea of letting O-line starters go, basically, if you're going to replace someone on the O-line, make sure it happens through a camp battle, when Wade Smith was brought in he wasn't a guaranteed starter, he had to win the battle, I don't like the idea of being left hoping that your new guy is better than the guy you've just let go.

I agree... never said different.

Yankee_In_TX
02-28-2012, 12:46 PM
Unrestricted FAs

30 Jason Allen CB - if 'reasonable' for the player he is, we need cb depth
34 Dominique Barber SS - if 'reasonable' for the player he is, we need safety depth
65 Mike Brisiel G/C - RE-SIGN
93 Tim Bulman DE - he will be on the roster, no matter how many times we cut him he works his way back on the roster
17 Jake Delhomme QB - see ya
52 Tim Dobbins ILB - if he'll take special teams pay
85 Joel Dreessen TE - RESIGN
7 Jeff Garcia QB - see ya
89 Bryant Johnson WR - see ya (assuming a WR in the draft early)
55 Chris Myers C - see ya
4 Neil Rackers K - if we can get someone better, see ya, but kickers league wide seem to suck lately?
64 Kasey Studdard G - see ya if Butler is healty
1 Matt Turk P - see ya, Hartman is back
32 Derrick Ward RB - re-sign if it makes salary sense
90 Mario Williams OLB/DE - if we can get good picks for him, bye, I don't think we can afford to keep him

LMAO - thank you TheMedic01 for pointing this out, Chris Myers was a typo.

Corrected:

55 Chris Myers C - RESIGN

(with the gift of hindsight, we now know we MAY not be able to afford him. Might have to choose between him and Brisel, and I think a center is harder to replace)

Yankee_In_TX
02-28-2012, 12:47 PM
Yankee texan did u just say see ya to chris myers this dude went to the probowl ......... And hes like one of the top 4 centers in the leauge ......

Total brain lapse - did not mean it at all.

badboy
02-28-2012, 01:04 PM
LMAO - thank you TheMedic01 for pointing this out, Chris Myers was a typo.

Corrected:

55 Chris Myers C - RESIGN

(with the gift of hindsight, we now know we MAY not be able to afford him. Might have to choose between him and Brisel, and I think a center is harder to replace)If we need to replace Myers, Konz could be there #26. I also like Blake in 3rd but not sure which could pick up our ZBS quickest.

srrono
02-29-2012, 07:44 PM
Unrestricted FAs

30 Jason Allen CB gone
34 Dominique Barber SS resign if cheap
65 Mike Brisiel G/C gone
93 Tim Bulman DE gone
17 Jake Delhomme QB gone
52 Tim Dobbins ILB resign
85 Joel Dreessen TE gone
7 Jeff Garcia QB gone
89 Bryant Johnson WR gone
55 Chris Myers C resign
4 Neil Rackers K resign
64 Kasey Studdard G resign if cheap
1 Matt Turk P gone
32 Derrick Ward RB gone
90 Mario Williams OLB/DE resign but doubt he will be here

srrono
02-29-2012, 07:50 PM
If we need to replace Myers, Konz could be there #26. I also like Blake in 3rd but not sure which could pick up our ZBS quickest.

I like DAVID MOLK C, Michigan in 5th for HOU. He put up 41 reps in bench and looks suited for zone blk scheme.


http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=37743
2011 GRADE: 6.3 F O HT: 6-2 WT: 286
A shorter, compact lineman who looks nearly maxed out physically, despite weighing 288-pounds. Looks a little tight hipped trying to sit into his stance, but has a quick first step, and snaps and steps very quickly. Creates leverage for himself consistently, extends his arms and can easily reach and seal on plays off his frame. Displays a compact, sturdy punch and can stun defenders at the point. Looks really natural when asked to quickly reach block on runs to the perimeter, as he's coordinated getting his feet around and can seal the edge routinely. Displays natural range/balance getting into blocks at the second level as well. Breakdowns well showcasing the ability to routinely seal on contact.

Now, lacks the power to win as an in-line guy. Keeps his base down, but doesn't have the lower body power to create a push inside. However, does do a nice job chipping at the line, re-directing and reaching secondary targets. Displays great awareness in the run game as well and routinely carries out assignments.

His tightness in the hips shows up more so in pass protection where he has the initial first step and foot quickness to reach defenders off his frame, but gets upright, isn't real long armed and struggles to gain leverage and anchor on contact. Can routinely be overwhelmed vs. the bull rush inside and needs to play in tandem. Possesses some natural shuffle and slide ability in space, extends his arms well off the snap, keeps his base under him and can mirror initially. Will struggle with leverage because of arm length and is inconsistent with hand placement hurting his ability to stick to his man. I can't see him holding up routinely inside one-one-one in the pass game vs. NFL caliber defensive tackles.

Impression: A perfect fit for the Michigan's run first spread offense where he consistently plays to his strengths. However, he's an overachiever who looks like a potential starter in only a zone scheme in my view.

drs23
03-01-2012, 10:18 AM
I like DAVID MOLK C, Michigan in 5th for HOU. He put up 41 reps in bench and looks suited for zone blk scheme.


http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=37743
2011 GRADE: 6.3 F O HT: 6-2 WT: 286
A shorter, compact lineman who looks nearly maxed out physically, despite weighing 288-pounds. Looks a little tight hipped trying to sit into his stance, but has a quick first step, and snaps and steps very quickly. Creates leverage for himself consistently, extends his arms and can easily reach and seal on plays off his frame. Displays a compact, sturdy punch and can stun defenders at the point. Looks really natural when asked to quickly reach block on runs to the perimeter, as he's coordinated getting his feet around and can seal the edge routinely. Displays natural range/balance getting into blocks at the second level as well. Breakdowns well showcasing the ability to routinely seal on contact.

Now, lacks the power to win as an in-line guy. Keeps his base down, but doesn't have the lower body power to create a push inside. However, does do a nice job chipping at the line, re-directing and reaching secondary targets. Displays great awareness in the run game as well and routinely carries out assignments.

His tightness in the hips shows up more so in pass protection where he has the initial first step and foot quickness to reach defenders off his frame, but gets upright, isn't real long armed and struggles to gain leverage and anchor on contact. Can routinely be overwhelmed vs. the bull rush inside and needs to play in tandem. Possesses some natural shuffle and slide ability in space, extends his arms well off the snap, keeps his base under him and can mirror initially. Will struggle with leverage because of arm length and is inconsistent with hand placement hurting his ability to stick to his man. I can't see him holding up routinely inside one-one-one in the pass game vs. NFL caliber defensive tackles.

Impression: A perfect fit for the Michigan's run first spread offense where he consistently plays to his strengths. However, he's an overachiever who looks like a potential starter in only a zone scheme in my view.

Isn't that kinda light even for our ZBS?

Dutchrudder
03-01-2012, 10:43 AM
Isn't that kinda light even for our ZBS?

Chris Myers is 6-4 289, so it's not that different. I would expect Molk to bulk up more in the coming years and be closer to 300 pounds anyways.

Vinny
03-01-2012, 10:59 AM
Chris Myers is 6-4 289, so it's not that different. I would expect Molk to bulk up more in the coming years and be closer to 300 pounds anyways.I think you are right...Men don't stop thickening out till they are about 25 years old. I think most NFL players gain a few pounds of muscle after College. The only players that stay the same or shrink are the fat linemen who could use a few pounds of fat displaced with a few pounds of muscle, and the smaller more tightly wound skill guys.

steelbtexan
03-01-2012, 11:04 AM
Myers and Foster need to be prioty #1/2 on the FA list. IMHO

Molk would be a good 4th/5th rd guy.

He kinda reminds me of A.Q. Shipley from Penn St. Great college player but didn't translate well to the NFL because short arms.

drs23
03-01-2012, 11:30 AM
Chris Myers is 6-4 289, so it's not that different. I would expect Molk to bulk up more in the coming years and be closer to 300 pounds anyways.

Thanks for the clarification Dutch. I didn't look it up just in the back of my mind I was thinking Myers was 308. Thirty pounds sounds like a pretty big difference. 1 lb, not so much.

thunderkyss
03-01-2012, 05:27 PM
I think you are right...Men don't stop thickening out till they are about 25 years old.

Some of us are still thickening at the ripe ole age of 39


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