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HouSportsWriter
02-13-2012, 07:34 PM
abc13 just said manning said Houston is a option, but then said upcoming in sports. I will update once the sports segment comes back on./



::EDIT::
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/sports/pro/football&id=8542447

Dutchrudder
02-13-2012, 07:42 PM
We all eagerly await your update. I'll get the champagne ready!

Texan_Bill
02-13-2012, 07:43 PM
That has to be the longest commercial break in television history! :whip:

Bulls on Parade
02-13-2012, 07:48 PM
Of course Peyton Manning would want to play with a team loaded with great talent on both sides of the ball. What are his other options right now? All I'm hearing are the Cardinals and Seahawks that want him the most. Hmm, Texans, Cardinals or Seahawks? Peyton would pick the Texans over most teams but I just can't imagine it happening unless Schaub has some type of serious health setback with his foot. I've got it on ABC 13 and awaiting the sports segment.

Showtime100
02-13-2012, 07:50 PM
:popcorn:

Bulls on Parade
02-13-2012, 07:52 PM
Peyton has an interest in possibily coming to Houston. Didn't his father once briefly play for the Houston Oilers? Yep, just heard Bob Allen say it. It's coming up next on ABC 13. So this isn't a troll thread. Wow, legitimate news to say the last.

HouSportsWriter
02-13-2012, 07:59 PM
Peyton has an interest in possibily coming to Houston. Didn't his father once briefly play for the Houston Oilers? Yep, just heard Bob Allen say it. It's coming up next on ABC 13. So this isn't a troll thread. Wow, legitimate news to say the last.

my parents changed the channel if you could update us it would be apprichated

Wolf
02-13-2012, 08:02 PM
S**t in one hand and throw millions in another and see what fills up first ...not saying it wouldnt be nice, just a ratings game With the TV on that

Bulls on Parade
02-13-2012, 08:05 PM
I called my grandfather on the phone for the past 10 minutes after I watched the segment. It's huge news to say the least. Basically Bob Allen talked to a close friend with the Manning family that said Peyton has a strong interest in playing with the Texans. He's a great competitor and wants to match Eli Manning with two Super Bowl wins. Peyton feels the Texans have all the parts to win the Super Bowl and he would have more incentive to stay in the AFC South so he can beat up on the Colts twice a year. Something to follow over the next few weeks. It's expected that the Colts will release him some time during next month.

Jackie Chiles
02-13-2012, 08:05 PM
Bob pretty much said he heard from someone close to Peyton that he would definitely consider coming to Houston. Says he wants another ring (especially now that Eli has 2) and that he wouldn't mind playing against Irsay twice a year. A lot of moving parts obviously with his health, cap situation, Schaub, etc. I still don't think there is a snowballs chance fwiw.

dalemurphy
02-13-2012, 08:05 PM
Of course Peyton Manning would want to play with a team loaded with great talent on both sides of the ball. What are his other options right now? All I'm hearing are the Cardinals and Seahawks that want him the most. Hmm, Texans, Cardinals or Seahawks? Peyton would pick the Texans over most teams but I just can't imagine it happening unless Schaub has some type of serious health setback with his foot. I've got it on ABC 13 and awaiting the sports segment.

Don't want him.
Don't need him.

Love it, though. The worm has turned. We are a desired spot for veterans interested in success.

gary
02-13-2012, 08:06 PM
A close friend said that he has some interest in Houston but I don't think it will happen.

TexanSam
02-13-2012, 08:10 PM
Jerome Solomon just had an orgasm.

Bulls on Parade
02-13-2012, 08:11 PM
S**t in one hand and throw millions in another and see what fills up first ...not saying it wouldnt be nice, just a ratings game With the TV on that
It can definitely happen. But man, I'd hate to just sell out Schaub so fast. Although a healthy Peyton Manning is a top three quarterback in the game. Schaub on his best days barely breaks the bottom half of the top ten. The tough part is both Manning and Schaub are still hurt right now. Neither is ready to take a snap in a live game as I type this.

This is going to be a wait and see approach either way you look at it. I wouldn't rule it out at all but I agree with the previous posters that it's likely a long shot. What if Schaub has a freak accident taking a shower and re-injures that foot? Then it becomes a better chance because of Peyton's interest in playing for Houston.

Lurvinator11
02-13-2012, 08:17 PM
Well as cool as having Peyton would be, you need to wonder if he will be the same manning. Not in the sense of his play, but more in the sense of will he try and control the game? We all know Gary is the guy making the calls. Will Manning be willing to do that, or hand it off. He has played 10+ years with almost no run game to speak of, he is used to passing the ball. Will he listen to Kubiak? Or will he do what he wants which will lead to a very ugly scene for our organization....

J_R
02-13-2012, 08:17 PM
HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Here's what I heard and this could be very interesting with a lot of moving parts.

Someone I know who is close friends with the Manning family says Peyton is definitely interested in possibly coming to the Texans. Peyton will be released by the Colts early next month and will be a free agent. The person who knows the Mannings says Peyton wants to play on a team that has a chance of going to a Super Bowl, and the Texans fit that description.

Another big plus is that the Texans are in the Colts division. Manning not only knows the division, but I'm told the relationship between him and Colts owner Robert Irsay now is strictly business. And don't underplay the competitiveness between Peyton and Eli -- it "does" matter that Eli has two Super Bowl rings to his one.

This is one that won't be played out publicly; we won't be hearing anything from Manning or the Texans unless something does happen.

A big factor is Peyton's arm strength and right now he's still not back to what he was, but it's early. And then there's Matt Schaub to factor in as well.

All that aside, be it a long shot or reality, I know for a fact that he does have a definite interest in the Texans.


http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/sports/pro/football&id=8542447&rss=rss-ktrk-article-8542447

HouSportsWriter
02-13-2012, 08:17 PM
updated =-]

TEXANRED
02-13-2012, 08:21 PM
Jerome Solomon just had an orgasm.

He's not the only one. I need a towel. :texanbill:

Lurvinator11
02-13-2012, 08:22 PM
Here is a good thing that comes out of Manning though.

We all know that TJ is the future starter for the texans. With manning there he can teach Yates, and yates may benefit from it.

Who knows though.

Texan_Bill
02-13-2012, 08:22 PM
Peyton has an interest in possibily coming to Houston. Didn't his father once briefly play for the Houston Oilers? Yep, just heard Bob Allen say it. It's coming up next on ABC 13. So this isn't a troll thread. Wow, legitimate news to say the last.

Yup!! He played in like 8 games over two seasons before moving on to Minnesota.

gary
02-13-2012, 08:28 PM
I would not be mad if Manning came here but I am not sure that I would be as excited as I once would be just because of his injury.

TexanSam
02-13-2012, 08:29 PM
So I guess now the question is whether the Texans have any interest in Manning? My guess is no due to the offense Kubiak runs. He and Dennison call the plays, have certain audibles for each play, etc. Manning had full control of that offense in Indy. He had the power to change plays at the line, something which Schaub doesn't here (or at least not as much as Peyton did). But Kubiak is the QB guru and if he thinks Manning could fit in his offense...well I'd be intrigued by the idea.

Also, what art the chances this thread grows faster than the Eric Moulds thread a few years back?

TexCanada
02-13-2012, 08:33 PM
The biggest risk of going for Manning would be that it would essentially end Schaub's career as a Texan. Would getting Manning for 2-3 years be worth losing Schaub? I would lean towards yes, but I can see how many would rather not. Obviously if either don't/can't return to full health then this conversation would be completely different anyway.

PapaL
02-13-2012, 08:35 PM
I remember people Drew Brees wouldn't be successful after his rotator cuff injury. Having watched Manning, the dude is money. He might be damaged right now but he will be back.

Pay The Man, Rick.

Stemp
02-13-2012, 08:41 PM
No thanks.
We have a great team right now and lots of young stars.

No need to mortgage the future to try get minor leg up in the present.

TexCanada
02-13-2012, 08:46 PM
No thanks.
We have a great team right now and lots of young stars.

No need to mortgage the future to try get minor leg up in the present.

Serious question: In what way do you think it will mortgage the future? Obviously if he wants a huge payday then it would, but I don't think he will be looking for that. If we had Peyton for 2-3 years and were able to trade Schuab for some draft picks then I would have to think we would be a little bit ahead of where we were previously. With Peyton we would also have TJ (or a new QB acquired through the draft) learning behind a great.

rush2112mn
02-13-2012, 08:50 PM
His health is a big question......too many what "ifs"

Stemp
02-13-2012, 09:00 PM
Serious question: In what way do you think it will mortgage the future? Obviously if he wants a huge payday then it would, but I don't think he will be looking for that. If we had Peyton for 2-3 years and were able to trade Schuab for some draft picks then I would have to think we would be a little bit ahead of where we were previously. With Peyton we would also have TJ (or a new QB acquired through the draft) learning behind a great.

He's going to demand some serious money, which means we'd have to trade or release one of our better players. Schaub is a good QB and knows this system. Peyton would come in and have to learn the system and no one knows if he can do well in Kubiak's offense. And then there is the question if he will be able to last a season with his neck injury.

3 years ago, I think everyone mortgages their house, car, and kids to get Peyton. Today, I really think the Texans should pass and continue to build with what they have and through the draft. We are in the AFC championship game or even the Super Bowl this year with Schaub. We have the same pieces coming back and I think we make a big splash next year if we just sign our vets, draft well and stand pat without any major shakeups.

MistaRed
02-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Do it Rick!

Ranger Tom
02-13-2012, 09:13 PM
Shades of the Brett Favre soap opera...

BullBlitz
02-13-2012, 09:17 PM
So I guess now the question is whether the Texans have any interest in Manning? My guess is no due to the offense Kubiak runs. He and Dennison call the plays, have certain audibles for each play, etc. Manning had full control of that offense in Indy. He had the power to change plays at the line, something which Schaub doesn't here (or at least not as much as Peyton did). But Kubiak is the QB guru and if he thinks Manning could fit in his offense...well I'd be intrigued by the idea.

Also, what art the chances this thread grows faster than the Eric Moulds thread a few years back?

I don't think that Gary would do this even if Peyton was willing. Peyton would steal his thunder.

2012Champs
02-13-2012, 09:19 PM
He's going to demand some serious money, which means we'd have to trade or release one of our better players. Schaub is a good QB and knows this system. Peyton would come in and have to learn the system and no one knows if he can do well in Kubiak's offense. And then there is the question if he will be able to last a season with his neck injury.

3 years ago, I think everyone mortgages their house, car, and kids to get Peyton. Today, I really think the Texans should pass and continue to build with what they have and through the draft. We are in the AFC championship game or even the Super Bowl this year with Schaub. We have the same pieces coming back and I think we make a big splash next year if we just sign our vets, draft well and stand pat without any major shakeups.



Who says he will demand serious money? It's been reported that he has said he is more than willing to be cap friendly and heavily incentive based

2012Champs
02-13-2012, 09:19 PM
I don't think that Gary would do this even if Peyton was willing. Peyton would steal his thunder.

I'm not sure Gary has final call on this

Texn4life
02-13-2012, 09:20 PM
If Peyton wants to talk to us then we would be stupid not to listen. If he's genuine about wanting a ring then his talk of willing to structure a cap friendly deal needs to be followed by action to whatever team he goes to. It's easy to sit here in our position and say Peyton should be willing to sacrifice some money in order to secure his legacy sometimes, but in this situation it may fit because of Peyton's unlimited potential post playing career.

The guy has the ability to make a ton of money after he's done either as a coach or an analyst. So if I'm the Rick Smith and Bob McNair I have to take a look at see how close to 100 percent he really is and where he'll be come July when we get ready to kick off camp. With Schaub's injury situation being up in the air I think we would be foolish not to consider it if he's willing to make some concessions to be here.

BullBlitz
02-13-2012, 09:22 PM
I'm not sure Gary has final call on this

I hope you are right. I don't know if Rick or Mr. McNair would do it, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't happen if were just Kubiak's decision.

Wolf
02-13-2012, 09:27 PM
guess it potentially depends on who you like
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gary
02-13-2012, 09:28 PM
I don't think Manning is in a spot to demand a lot of money.

Porky
02-13-2012, 09:41 PM
Lots to consider here for sure, but if Manning is serious, I think you would be very foolish not to see how all these moving parts could be made to work. First, there is the Schaub question. If healthy he fetches at least a #1 and maybe more. As it stands now, not sure. But you have to get rid of Schaub. No way can you carry him with Manning. So, that's the first question.

Then you have Manning's own health to consider. If he doesn't pass an exam with flying colors I think the risk is just too high. Then there is team chemistry which can be a delicate balance.

Then can you structure a contract that will allow you to keep your best pieces around Manning? Then once you have him - what kind of offense do you run? I'm not sure he is all that good of a fit in Kubes system. He is too good of a QB with way too much knowledge and experience to have Manning conform to Kubes. Kubes has to mold his offense to fit Manning's strengths. I think the rollouts would be reduced by a great deal, and you would be in shotgun a lot more with Payton basically doing his usual read and react on the fly. You could still run a zone run game, but I do feel the passing game would need to change rather dramatically.

I consider it a major longshot. Maybe 5% of it actually happening, but like I say it would behoove the Texans to turn over every rock and stone to figure out if they can make it work.

badboy
02-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Matt has one more season @ $7m & will be 30 in June. He is several years younger but has been historically rated 2nd tier to Peyton being one of top 2 QBs. Neither should get much better imo so we know what we get. If both are 100% healthy game one, I rate Manning higher. WIth our team, Manning could easily play 2-3 seasons. With either on roster, we still need to develop a future QB. I like Yates but not sure yet he will be the QB of the future.

Can Kubiak & Manning work together? I say yes. Gary has never had a field general like Peyton although I wished he'd turned Matt loose.

Here's the tipping point for me, what kind of deal could we make for Schaub? Washington desperately needs a QB and will have to give up more than 6th pick to move ahead of Cleveland who may be angling for St Louis #2 to select RG3. WIth #6 they could get a vet Schaub & know what they have over any rookie.

I think we'd get many offers for #6.

Playoffs
02-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Someone I know who is close friends with the Manning family...Okay, I captured a picture of the source before it was pulled off their website,

Hang on.....

Playoffs
02-13-2012, 09:47 PM
Okay, I captured a picture of the source before it was pulled off their website,

Hang on.....

Here is Bob's source for this...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FUOtMUcU4q4/TrlOG3HPqvI/AAAAAAAAEW4/SsOmYS6NdKE/s1600/rob-lowe-young-f10f3.jpg

TheDream34
02-13-2012, 09:49 PM
If we are guaranteed a healthy Peyton, I would literally help Matt Scgaub pack his bags lol. Let's be honest people, Manning at 75 percent is still is still better than Schaub will ever be. But I just can't see McNair and Kubiak ditching Schaub.

Texan_Bill
02-13-2012, 09:52 PM
my parents changed the channel if you could update us it would be apprichated

Your "parents"?? Your Parents????? C'mon kid!! You have come so far, especially going to the point of now being called HouSportsWriter and your parents shut you down???

That ain't right!!! ;)

KEEP UP, the good work!!!!

clutch
02-13-2012, 10:09 PM
Do not want...

Carr Bombed
02-13-2012, 10:16 PM
I don't think this has a shot in hell at happening so this is about all of the energy that I'm going to waste on this thread.

It's simply not in Kubiak's nature to pull a move like this. The man is loyal to a fault... he's not going to ditch "his" QB and the guy who's been QBing his team for the past 5 seasons.

Also this decision is up to Kubiak, more so than Rick. Rick isn't the shot caller here, both men work hand in hand and Kubiak is going to get final say on who he wants to run his offense. If anybody really thinks Rick Smith is going to have final say on that or will have the authority to override Kubiak's wishes on who our signal caller will be, they're in straight denial.

Peyton Manning is not coming to Houston. And that's without even mentioning Indianapolis Star's columnist Bob Kravitz describing Manning's arm as a "noodle arm" now. By the time next year's season starts Manning will be out of football for almost 2 years and has a injury that he may never recover from.

If I had to put a % on the chances of Manning paying for the Texans, I'd say there's about a 5% chance at best of that happening.

HJam72
02-13-2012, 10:28 PM
We'd have to make a helmet big enough for his forehead.

Carr Bombed
02-13-2012, 10:30 PM
We'd have to make a helmet big enough for his fivehead.

Corrected for accurate description purposes. :)

JimBaker488
02-13-2012, 10:33 PM
Isn't Bob Allen the guy that 13 is releasing, and under those circumstances wouldn't he maybe do something out of desperation to keep his job like maybe make up a huge yarn out of whole cloth to spike his ratings ?

badboy
02-13-2012, 10:37 PM
Isn't Bob Allen the guy that 13 is releasing, and under those circumstances wouldn't he maybe do something out of desperation to keep his job like maybe make up a huge yarn out of whole cloth to spike his ratings ?My understanding is Allen retired? Your saying he was fired?

badboy
02-13-2012, 10:39 PM
Bob McNair thinking national attention?

Carr Bombed
02-13-2012, 10:42 PM
Isn't Bob Allen the guy that 13 is releasing, and under those circumstances wouldn't he maybe do something out of desperation to keep his job like maybe make a huge yarn up out of whole cloth to spike his ratings ?

Umm no. Bob Allen is the senior sports director for channel 13 and has been with the station for about 40 years (which is the longest tenure of any local sportscaster in the country)... He's retiring.

DX-TEX
02-13-2012, 10:44 PM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/Sad-Keanu-.jpg

PapaL
02-13-2012, 11:03 PM
I don't understand how the passing game changes w Manning. QB still takes the snap and throws the ball to the open WR while the OL blocks. We're talking about potential the most cerebral QB in the history of football. So we lose the QB sneak. Big deal. Schaub vs Manning in a foot race...no one would care. They're both both slow. Manning has one of the best play action fakes in the league, all without a run game. Plus he won't have to face the best D in the division AND Mathis and Freeny are probably gone too.

Yeah, I'd sign him and leave Schaub and his busted foot on the bench healing. Can't have enough QBs.

DX-TEX
02-13-2012, 11:12 PM
Now on PFT. This will be on ESPN in morning.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/13/report-peyton-may-be-interested-in-playing-for-the-texans/
Poor Matt.

Commodore
02-13-2012, 11:23 PM
Can you imagine the national TV games we would get next year?

Manning vs. Rogers

Manning vs. Brady

Manning vs. Tebow

Manning vs. Luck X 2

MistaRed
02-13-2012, 11:30 PM
Solomon and Stradley going back and forth over this topic on twitter lol

Bulls on Parade
02-13-2012, 11:58 PM
Another thing to ponder. Would 33-year-old unrestricted free agent Reggie Wayne also come to Houston if Peyton Manning does? I think that would be knocking down two birds with one stone and Rick Smith would win GM of the year if it all leads to a Super Bowl 47 victory in the Superdome. He's already good friends with Andre Johnson. Helped recruit him to the Miami Hurricanes if I recall an in-depth feature being done back in 2003 by ESPN when Houston drafted Andre.

mussop
02-14-2012, 12:02 AM
We need a Monica lewinski incident. How about this? Trade Schaub for the 6 th pick. Trade the 6th and our first or second to move up and draft RG111. Sign manning to be RG's mentor for the next few years. Make a huge trophy cabinet to hold all our Lombardi trophies.

badboy
02-14-2012, 12:03 AM
Another thing to ponder. Would 33-year-old unrestricted free agent Reggie Wayne also come to Houston if Peyton Manning does? I think that would be knocking down two birds with one stone and Rick Smith would win GM of the year if it all leads to a Super Bowl 47 victory in the Superdome. He's already good friends with Andre Johnson. Helped recruit him to the Miami Hurricanes if I recall an in-depth feature being done back in 2003 by ESPN when Houston drafted Andre.espn said that if Manning goes to Washington Wayne would follow so you idea is possible. Why would Peyton want to play for skins? Yuck.

Bulls on Parade
02-14-2012, 12:11 AM
Can you imagine the national TV games we would get next year?

Manning vs. Rogers

Manning vs. Brady

Manning vs. Tebow

Manning vs. Luck X 2
Eli Manning and the Giants just won their second Super Bowl in four years a little over a week ago and the entire football world is talking about Peyton Manning and the Houston Texans right now. I'm ready to see ESPN going nuts tomorrow morning, especially Skip Bayless.

I absolutely love it!!!!!! This is what the off-season should be about. Talking about the Texans winning a Super Bowl and possibly adding one or two future Hall of Famers -- which is usually what happens to the elite teams. Great players want to play on great teams loaded with talent. This is a great opportunity for the Texans to win a Super Bowl or two during the next three years.

No more talking about which player we can draft with our top 10 pick. Those days are over. Picking 26 this year and we should be picking 32 next year. Just out of curiosity, what type of draft pick could the Texans get for Schaub who is coming back from a season-ending foot surgery? I'm not sure he could net us a first-round pick under the circumstances.

Just the excitement and buzz I feel with the Houston Texans right now. It reminds me of the 2003 Major League Baseball off-season (prior to the 2004 season starting), when the Astros signed Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte. That would best compare the situation of adding players the caliber of Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne.

Playoffs
02-14-2012, 12:12 AM
espn said that if Manning goes to Washington Wayne would follow so you idea is possible. Why would Peyton want to play for skins? Yuck.
Great defense.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-14-2012, 12:13 AM
Don't want him.
Don't need him.

Love it, though. The worm has turned. We are a desired spot for veterans interested in success.

Yeah, and only if we got money to welcome them. Remember how it used to be? FA players used us as leverage to jack up their price. Now that we are contender, they all seem to be interested in us. I guess you can say that it all comes with success.

Go Texans!!!

MistaRed
02-14-2012, 12:16 AM
Eli Manning and the Giants just won their second Super Bowl in four years a little over a week ago and the entire football world is talking about Peyton Manning and the Houston Texans right now. I'm ready to see ESPN going nuts tomorrow morning, especially Skip Bayless.

I absolutely love it!!!!!! This is what the off-season should be about. Talking about the Texans winning a Super Bowl and possibly adding one or two future Hall of Famers -- which is usually what happens to the elite teams. Great players want to play on great teams loaded with talent. This is a great opportunity for the Texans to win a Super Bowl or two during the next three years.

No more talking about which player we can draft with our top 10 pick. Those days are over. Picking 26 this year and we should be picking 32 next year. Just out of curiosity, what type of draft pick could the Texans get for Schaub who is coming back from a season-ending foot surgery? I'm not sure he could net us a first-round pick under the circumstances.

Just the excitement and buzz I feel with the Houston Texans right now. It reminds me of the 2003 Major League Baseball off-season (prior to the 2004 season starting), when the Astros signed Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte. That would best compare the situation of adding players the caliber of Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne.

Skip is on vacation. He might weigh in via twitter though.

edo783
02-14-2012, 12:18 AM
Has Payton been a GREAT QB .... dang straight he has been. Is he still ..... Maybe. However, IMO he is the wrong type of QB for our offense. While no one will mistake Schaub for Mike Vick when running the rollout, but in comparison Payton is a stump. The rollout, naked boot etc are a huge part of this offense and I don't see Payton being able to run that part of our offense and I don't see Kubes changing his offense to acomodate Payton. I doubt very much this will happen. Way to much of a disruption of what we have been doing and Kubes is very loyal to "His guys".

Bulls on Parade
02-14-2012, 12:18 AM
More than likely, if Peyton Manning came to Houston then Matt Schaub would be traded to the Redskins. They run the same offensive system as the Texans, Mike Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan would love to have Schaub, his former offensive coordinator who he became good friends with. Washington would be the best possible place for Schaub to go.

As I mentioned in my last post, I'm not sure we can get a first-round pick for Matt Schaub since he's coming off the foot injury, but what about a second or third-round pick plus an additional pick? Washington has some good picks so they'd be a good trading partner when it comes to a trade.

TexCanada
02-14-2012, 12:21 AM
He's going to demand some serious money, which means we'd have to trade or release one of our better players. Schaub is a good QB and knows this system. Peyton would come in and have to learn the system and no one knows if he can do well in Kubiak's offense. And then there is the question if he will be able to last a season with his neck injury.

3 years ago, I think everyone mortgages their house, car, and kids to get Peyton. Today, I really think the Texans should pass and continue to build with what they have and through the draft. We are in the AFC championship game or even the Super Bowl this year with Schaub. We have the same pieces coming back and I think we make a big splash next year if we just sign our vets, draft well and stand pat without any major shakeups.

I don't know if he will end up making that much money. He wants to play for a winner, we know that much. How many offers will have have on the table from teams who are only a QB away from making a playoff run? I agree with those who have said the chances are slim, but I do think it is something we should pursue. The last thing I want is to see a wasted year if Schaub can't get healthy and TJ isn't able to step up.

I do agree with you though that we shouldn't be sacrificing our future in order to make this happen. I would only do it if Manning agreed to a contract that allowed us to still sign our own guys. If thats not possible, continue on with Schaub.

badboy
02-14-2012, 12:23 AM
Eli Manning and the Giants just won their second Super Bowl in four years a little over a week ago and the entire football world is talking about Peyton Manning and the Houston Texans right now. I'm ready to see ESPN going nuts tomorrow morning, especially Skip Bayless.

I absolutely love it!!!!!! This is what the off-season should be about. Talking about the Texans winning a Super Bowl and possibly adding one or two future Hall of Famers -- which is usually what happens to the elite teams. Great players want to play on great teams loaded with talent. This is a great opportunity for the Texans to win a Super Bowl or two during the next three years.

No more talking about which player we can draft with our top 10 pick. Those days are over. Picking 26 this year and we should be picking 32 next year. Just out of curiosity, what type of draft pick could the Texans get for Schaub who is coming back from a season-ending foot surgery? I'm not sure he could net us a first-round pick under the circumstances.

Just the excitement and buzz I feel with the Houston Texans right now. It reminds me of the 2003 Major League Baseball off-season (prior to the 2004 season starting), when the Astros signed Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte. That would best compare the situation of adding players the caliber of Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne.I posted earlier that Washington might give it's #8 for Schaub. They have to get a QB and I don't see Manning going there regardless of $ unless no one else makes a bid. Cleveland seems to be making noise about trading up to #2 for RG3 leaving Washington with Tannehill? If we got a healthy Manning, good price and the #8? Whew

Bulls on Parade
02-14-2012, 12:26 AM
I posted earlier that Washington might give it's #8 for Schaub. They have to get a QB and I don't see Manning going there regardless of $ unless no one else makes a bid. Cleveland seems to be making noise about trading up to #2 for RG3 leaving Washington with Tannehill? If we got a healthy Manning, good price and the #8? Whew
Agreed. It makes a lot of sense when you really think about it. The Redskins' coaching staff would love to have Matt Schaub. Maybe they are willing to part with a first-round pick after all. I guess time will tell. We've still got an entire month before the Colts release Peyton so there will be time to digest all of the possible trades and scenarios (the health of the players), well before the 2012 NFL Draft.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-14-2012, 12:30 AM
I posted earlier that Washington might give it's #8 for Schaub. They have to get a QB and I don't see Manning going there regardless of $ unless no one else makes a bid. Cleveland seems to be making noise about trading up to #2 for RG3 leaving Washington with Tannehill? If we got a healthy Manning, good price and the #8? Whew

In case Manning joins Texans, your trading scenario makes sense to me. With Mario situation and all, with that pick we should be able to do a lot with it. Like trading back to stock pile early picks or find Mario replacement in the future, fill needs like WR and so on. Only concern to me is Manning's health condition.

Go Texans!!!

Pieman2005
02-14-2012, 12:53 AM
I can't believe people are saying even if Peyton wasn't healthy he doesn't match our system..? Really?! You wouldn't take one of the best QBs ever (this is all assuming he is able to play) because he "doesn't fit our system"? Are these the same people who said 3-4 wouldn't work?

ObsiWan
02-14-2012, 01:42 AM
Before everyone get's too dang excited (or in my case, disgusted), answer me this. Why didn't we hear this from Peyton or his agent?

Why is this coming from "a source"? Does this "source" have a name? In what context was this info extracted? How reliable is this "source"? How is it that Bob Allen broke this and not some ESPN or NFLN rumor-mongerer?

I won't believe this, much less get worked up about it, until I see Peyton or his agent, on camera, making an official statement.

And, for the record, this will definitely be a McNair decision. ....just like the call that brought Wade here.

Norg
02-14-2012, 04:05 AM
I say do it look guyz everyone fails to mention schaub is coming off a major injury has well prob career ending IMO

bottom line if it was old school playground football and u were pickin players i would pick Peyton manning over schaub anyday healthy or not even manning at 70% is better then schaub

bottom line is Manning & schaub both prob only have 2-3 more years has a starter if they played here in houston IMO maybe longer depending on how things play out

and our window for winning OUR "FIRST" SB ever in this city has a window of only 3 more years IMO

fiasco west
02-14-2012, 06:31 AM
Seriously though if Peyton were just straight up released and we could work him out and see what is there...it's hard to pass up on that. You'd get Peyton, trade Schaub for some good picks to replace Mario (since you'd have to release him to get the cap)

A healthy Peyton with this defense is as close to a lock to a superbowl appearance that you are going to get. Think we'd be the clear cut favorites and maybe he has 2-4 years left in him.

But man the neck scares me. I keep thinking one good hit and it'll be over for him and would rather just keep Schaub.

BullNation4Life
02-14-2012, 08:56 AM
Some are forgetting one little detail, Matt Schaub is not healthy either and the Texans have no idea if coming off that foot injury if Matt will ever be healthy. From what I have read about that foot injury Schaub suffered, it has the potential to end careers because the foot is never the same.

Now IF Manning can play and is healthy, and IF he is willing to be cap friendly, you at least talk to him. Peyton Manning can run ANY system he is given, he is Peyton Manning, and he would put in the time. Manning can run boot legs, seen him run them in Indy.

Here is something else to ponder, who would you rather have a young QB, weather it Yates or whomever, learning under? A QB that cannot stay healthy or a Hall of Famer?

Like Bob Allen said, a lot of moving parts…

El Tejano
02-14-2012, 09:02 AM
Here is a good thing that comes out of Manning though.

We all know that TJ is the future starter for the texans. With manning there he can teach Yates, and yates may benefit from it.

Who knows though.

I agree with this. This would be the reason I would want Peyton here. So that Yates can see how he prepares. Also Peyton is a natural leader and his work ethic would go hand in hand with our current team.

Thorn
02-14-2012, 09:03 AM
Payten Manning is not going to play football in Houston, unless he's on the visiting team. This is just offseason chatter.

El Tejano
02-14-2012, 09:06 AM
I think after this past season, it has to at least be looked at as an option. I'm not trying to go another season with Yates if Schaub goes down.

However something makes me think that Manning is saying this so that The Colts don't release him.

Stemp
02-14-2012, 09:15 AM
For all the people so excited about getting "the best QB evar!", just ask yourself.... why would the Colts release the face of their franchise for the past 10+ years, the QB who took them to the Super Bowl, the guy who people are saying is "the best QB evar!" and someone who obviously wanted to finish his career in Indy? And it's not because they need the money.

Which ever team signs Manning needs to realize they aren't getting the SB Manning from a few years ago. They are getting the injured neck, hasn't played in a year and is just now starting to throw again Manning whose best years are way behind him.

MistaRed
02-14-2012, 09:15 AM
Before everyone get's too dang excited (or in my case, disgusted), answer me this. Why didn't we hear this from Peyton or his agent?

Why is this coming from "a source"? Does this "source" have a name? In what context was this info extracted? How reliable is this "source"? How is it that Bob Allen broke this and not some ESPN or NFLN rumor-mongerer?

I won't believe this, much less get worked up about it, until I see Peyton or his agent, on camera, making an official statement.

And, for the record, this will definitely be a McNair decision. ....just like the call that brought Wade here.

Peyton or his agent can't make comments about playing for other teams until he's a free agent. The league would think tampering has taken place.

Texan_Bill
02-14-2012, 09:15 AM
Payten Manning is not going to play football in Houston, unless he's on the visiting team. This is just offseason chatter.

If this kinda garbage is going to grow legs this early in the offseason... It's going to be a freakin' LOOOOONG offseason!

:facepalm:

El Tejano
02-14-2012, 09:17 AM
Perhaps trading or releasing Schaub frees up some money?

srrono
02-14-2012, 09:23 AM
Mannings last screw you to the Texans sign with with Texans eat up cap space have Texans trade away Schaub and then Manning retires due to injury ultimately taking the Texans out of playoff contention. Now this is a worst case scenario.Best case Manning comes and leads Texans to promised land.

Texan_Bill
02-14-2012, 09:24 AM
The only way Schaub goes anywhere is if he's forced to retire from the lisfranc injury ala Warrick Dunn.

El Tejano
02-14-2012, 09:29 AM
The only way Schaub goes anywhere is if he's forced to retire from the lisfranc injury ala Warrick Dunn.

Damn, when you put it that way.....

2012Champs
02-14-2012, 09:36 AM
For all the people so excited about getting "the best QB evar!", just ask yourself.... why would the Colts release the face of their franchise for the past 10+ years, the QB who took them to the Super Bowl, the guy who people are saying is "the best QB evar!" and someone who obviously wanted to finish his career in Indy? And it's not because they need the money.

Which ever team signs Manning needs to realize they aren't getting the SB Manning from a few years ago. They are getting the injured neck, hasn't played in a year and is just now starting to throw again Manning whose best years are way behind him.



If the colts didnt owe manning this huge lump sum payment coming up the colts and manning wouldnt even be a topic. The current contract is why this is coming up at all

Texan_Bill
02-14-2012, 09:39 AM
28 Million reasons that Manning being released is a topic of discussion.

Stemp
02-14-2012, 09:49 AM
If the colts didnt owe manning this huge lump sum payment coming up the colts and manning wouldnt even be a topic. The current contract is why this is coming up at all

If it was just the money, they would have restructured his contract.
The Colts would be willing to pay more than most teams for a fully healthy Manning. I don't know why people are so anxious dump a good younger QB to take the old injured scraps of another team.

Ktexan68
02-14-2012, 09:50 AM
If he wants to play for the minimum for the chance to get another ring, great. If not, no way do we completely hamstring our flexibility this year to sign him. It's just not worth the huge risk considering his injury status. Can you imagine the blowback if we trade Schaub and sign Manning and then he gets hurt in the 1st game and we're back with TJ for another season. We'd never recover and this is not going to happen.

srrono
02-14-2012, 10:03 AM
A close friend said that he has some interest in Houston but I don't think it will happen.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2afye74.jpg

2012Champs
02-14-2012, 10:56 AM
If it was just the money, they would have restructured his contract.
The Colts would be willing to pay more than most teams for a fully healthy Manning. I don't know why people are so anxious dump a good younger QB to take the old injured scraps of another team.



Okay I will add another detail that was missed. The colts have to decide now if they want to pay Manning 28MM right now and then see if he can fully recover oh yeah and they are going to draft Luck.

Marcus
02-14-2012, 10:59 AM
I think after this past season, it has to at least be looked at as an option. I'm not trying to go another season with Yates if Schaub goes down.

However something makes me think that Manning is saying this so that The Colts don't release him.

I wonder what it is about the words "rookie mistakes" that some seem incapable of comprehending?

2012Champs
02-14-2012, 11:04 AM
I wonder what it is about the words "rookie mistakes" that some seem incapable of comprehending?



I wonder if some people think that in year two Yates is somehow going to be someone he wasnt last year ?

False Start
02-14-2012, 11:10 AM
As much as he wants to come here, I just dont see it happening. Kubiak is a loyal guy, I cant see him telling Schaub hit the bricks.

gtexan02
02-14-2012, 11:14 AM
I wonder what it is about the words "rookie mistakes" that some seem incapable of comprehending?

I personally have not seen enough from Yates to think he is going to be a top QB next year. He would really need to improve

Marcus
02-14-2012, 11:20 AM
I wonder if some people think that in year two Yates is somehow going to be someone he wasnt last year ?

And there are some. Why would that be illogical, given additional experience and how Kubiak works with quarterbacks?

Kubiak is grooming Yates to be our future starting QB, and he will be the starter next season when Schaub can't go with that foot.

PsychoLove
02-14-2012, 11:23 AM
my parents changed the channel if you could update us it would be apprichated

:spit:

2012Champs
02-14-2012, 11:24 AM
And there are some. Why would that be illogical, given additional experience and how Kubiak works with quarterbacks?

Kubiak is grooming Yates to be our future starting QB, and he will be the starter next season when Schaub can't go with that foot.



If Schaub isnt able to start the season, Yates will not be the starter

NCTexan
02-14-2012, 11:28 AM
But man the neck scares me. I keep thinking one good hit and it'll be over for him and would rather just keep Schaub.

This is what I think every team is afraid of. And I just don't think the risk is worth it. Especially when there's no promise he'll come back physically able to do what he used to do.

Plus, will Kubiak really give him as much control as he wants?

Hardcore Texan
02-14-2012, 11:32 AM
If Schaub isnt able to start the season, Yates will not be the starter

Who will be then? Please don't say Leinart.

El Tejano
02-14-2012, 11:32 AM
I wonder what it is about the words "rookie mistakes" that some seem incapable of comprehending?

For me it's not the rookie mistakes. It's the sophmore slump that lingers around the corner.

badboy
02-14-2012, 11:48 AM
Agreed. It makes a lot of sense when you really think about it. The Redskins' coaching staff would love to have Matt Schaub. Maybe they are willing to part with a first-round pick after all. I guess time will tell. We've still got an entire month before the Colts release Peyton so there will be time to digest all of the possible trades and scenarios (the health of the players), well before the 2012 NFL Draft.I can see a trade happening after pick #2. If Cleveland trades up to get RG3 theer is absolutely no other way to go for a QB of Matt Schaub's stats. I also think Cleveland would be forced to give St.Louis their second first round which should also benefit Texans. Rumor is Cleveland would select Wright but if they lose both firsts to St Louis that would assist us. I was up half the night creating scenarios of Manning to Houston Schaub to SKins for #8 and then trading down from #8 to maybe Bengals?

JimBaker488
02-14-2012, 11:57 AM
Umm no. Bob Allen is the senior sports director for channel 13 and has been with the station for about 40 years (which is the longest tenure of any local sportscaster in the country)... He's retiring.
Retiring ? Like voluntarily ? You bought that story, you really think he's leaving on his own terms ?
Listen I've got a building site over east of Houston, in the Orleans Parish I want you to look at soon. Hey, it's priced right.

Double Barrel
02-14-2012, 11:59 AM
We'd have to make a helmet big enough for his forehead.

At least we have that retractable roof so they can airlift his big head into the stadium.

Payten Manning is not going to play football in Houston, unless he's on the visiting team. This is just offseason chatter.

yep. All this B.S. and $5 will buy you a fancy coffee at Starbucks.

Vinny
02-14-2012, 12:03 PM
I'm having Ahman Green flashbacks.

Bulls on Parade
02-14-2012, 12:06 PM
Another thing to consider is that Matt Schaub is due to become a free agent after the 2012 season. His contract with the Texans is already at the end of its road. Maybe people just assumed that he'll be re-signed but coming off the foot injury and all of the other quarterback options that may be out there, I'm now thinking it's a strong possibility that his future with the Texans isn't going to last much longer.

Marcus
02-14-2012, 12:12 PM
Did I miss a memo that Manning can throw the ball now?

I mean, shouldn't that little item be established first?

Playoffs
02-14-2012, 12:15 PM
I'm having Ahman Green flashbacks.This is all one last stab #18 the Colt puts into the heart of the Texans.

Destabilize our QB with all the replacement talk. And Boob plays right into it.

Management needs to go public with a Good luck #18, don't let the door hit you on your way out, hope to knock you on your backside in next year's playoffs statement and put this BS in the rearview mirror.

The grass is greener on this side of the fence now ... get used to it.

:logo:

Bulls on Parade
02-14-2012, 12:20 PM
Did I miss a memo that Manning can throw the ball now?

I mean, shouldn't that little item be established first?
His doctors have given him the green light to start throwing a few weeks ago. It was mentioned during Super Bowl weekend that he's just now picking up a football and slinging it around. He's still unable to make all of the throws downfield with a lot of zip on the ball, which is to be expected after only a few weeks. That arm strength is going to come around.

2012Champs
02-14-2012, 12:23 PM
Who will be then? Please don't say Leinart.



They will sign someone else is Matt isnt ready Im sure

2012Champs
02-14-2012, 12:25 PM
This is what I think every team is afraid of. And I just don't think the risk is worth it. Especially when there's no promise he'll come back physically able to do what he used to do.

Plus, will Kubiak really give him as much control as he wants?



Manning isnt at any more risk of being carried out on the stretcher than any other player. I dont know why people have this picture of Manning going limp on the first hit and not being able to move again

Ole Miss Texan
02-14-2012, 12:25 PM
I'm not gonna lie... I'd buy a jersey. idonno:

badboy
02-14-2012, 12:25 PM
In case Manning joins Texans, your trading scenario makes sense to me. With Mario situation and all, with that pick we should be able to do a lot with it. Like trading back to stock pile early picks or find Mario replacement in the future, fill needs like WR and so on. Only concern to me is Manning's health condition.Go Texans!!!Agreed but are you not just as concerned about Matt's foot? One mis-step and he could be out for career.

Dutchrudder
02-14-2012, 12:32 PM
I can see a trade happening after pick #2. If Cleveland trades up to get RG3 theer is absolutely no other way to go for a QB of Matt Schaub's stats. I also think Cleveland would be forced to give St.Louis their second first round which should also benefit Texans. Rumor is Cleveland would select Wright but if they lose both firsts to St Louis that would assist us. I was up half the night creating scenarios of Manning to Houston Schaub to SKins for #8 and then trading down from #8 to maybe Bengals?

Don't trade back from 8, just pick Melvin Ingram. That is assuming we don't re-sign Mario of course. Otherwise, a slight trade back and take Michael Floyd could work, or just take Floyd at 8. Works for me.

gary
02-14-2012, 12:43 PM
Both quarterbacks are coming off an injury and Gary is loyal to his players this is just not going to happen.

badboy
02-14-2012, 12:46 PM
Retiring ? Like voluntarily ? You bought that story, you really think he's leaving on his own terms ?
Listen I've got a building site over east of Houston, in the Orleans Parish I want you to look at soon. Hey, it's priced right.If you are gonna insinuate something spit it out. He has 40 years at Channel 13 & obviously you are the only one saying it is not a retirement on his own terms. I'm not saying you are wrong but bring something to table to support you comment.

badboy
02-14-2012, 12:48 PM
Did I miss a memo that Manning can throw the ball now?

I mean, shouldn't that little item be established first?As I and others have posted, any signing would be based on Manning being healthy. What guarantee can you present today that Schaub will be healthy for season?

Double Barrel
02-14-2012, 12:50 PM
Did I miss a memo that Manning can throw the ball now?

I mean, shouldn't that little item be established first?

You know reality checks always bounce at the Bank of Speculation! :spin:

badboy
02-14-2012, 12:58 PM
Don't trade back from 8, just pick Melvin Ingram. That is assuming we don't re-sign Mario of course. Otherwise, a slight trade back and take Michael Floyd could work, or just take Floyd at 8. Works for me.Ingram is one of the two I'd target but in a trade back. However, Vinny Curry in second is enticing and use the two firsts (for #8) on other guys.

#17: Ingram #21 Wright #26 Peter Konz

Jackie Chiles
02-14-2012, 01:06 PM
I'm having Ahman Green flashbacks.

I was thinking Tony Boselli.

mussop
02-14-2012, 01:09 PM
In case Manning joins Texans, your trading scenario makes sense to me. With Mario situation and all, with that pick we should be able to do a lot with it. Like trading back to stock pile early picks or find Mario replacement in the future, fill needs like WR and so on. Only concern to me is Manning's health condition.

Go Texans!!!
There are a bunch of IF's before I would do this.

IF mannings arm is still live!
IF he would take a reasonable contract!
IF he we could trade Schaub for a good enough package that we could combine some non critical assets to to trade up for a franchise QB. (RG111)

If all those IF's are met I wouldn't hesitate to sign Manning

badboy
02-14-2012, 01:11 PM
There are a bunch of IF's before I would do this.

IF mannings arm is still live!
IF he would take a reasonable contract!
IF he we could trade Schaub for a good enough package that we could combine some non critical assets to to trade up for a franchise QB. (RG111)

If all those IF's are met I wouldn't hesitate to sign ManningGonna take a hell of a package to beat what Cleveland can offer.

Dutchrudder
02-14-2012, 01:13 PM
Ingram is one of the two I'd target but in a trade back. However, Vinny Curry in second is enticing and use the two firsts (for #8) on other guys.

#17: Ingram #21 Wright #26 Peter Konz

I don't think Ingram will last that long. He's the second best pass rusher in the draft behind Coples, so I think he will go in the top 15 at least. If he has a great combine, he will be top 10.

Playoffs
02-14-2012, 01:15 PM
If you are gonna insinuate something spit it out. He has 40 years at Channel 13 & obviously you are the only one saying it is not a retirement on his own terms. I'm not saying you are wrong but bring something to table to support you comment.Yeah, I dislike Abromowitz as much as the next guy. Actually challenged me to a fight years ago but then promptly backed down.

But he, like David, pretty much writes his own ticket over there at KTRK. I'd bet he has something he's moving to, though. Consultant? Who knows.

Marcus
02-14-2012, 01:19 PM
As I and others have posted, any signing would be based on Manning being healthy. What guarantee can you present today that Schaub will be healthy for season?

I guess you haven't been reading my posts where I say that he won't.

The Cush
02-14-2012, 01:31 PM
Manning-to-Texans notion quickly shot down in Houston
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 14, 2012, 12:23 PM EST
Peyton Manning AP

A report emerged on the radio in Houston Monday night that Peyton Manning has the Texans on his list of teams that he’d like to play for.

Even if that’s true, it’s hard to see any possible marriage here.

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle wrote Tuesday “it’s not going to happen” for a variety of reasons.

The biggest reason: The Texans have a quarterback in Matt Schaub. They are confident Schaub will return from his foot injury, whereas no one really knows if Manning will play again. (The Texans have other big issues to worry about.)

Manning also doesn’t fit Houston’s offense, which relies so much on movement and the bootleg. McClain is as clued in as any beat writer around. If he says there is “no chance” this will happen, we’re sure that statement wasn’t made in a vacuum.

It makes sense for a desperate team like the Redskins to gamble on Manning. It doesn’t make sense for the Texans.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/14/manning-to-texans-notion-quickly-shot-down-in-houston/

LOL at the bolded. I don't care if he's right about Manning not coming to Houston, but John McClain always comes off as if he's the one that's running this franchise.

TexCanada
02-14-2012, 01:35 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/14/manning-to-texans-notion-quickly-shot-down-in-houston/

LOL at the bolded. I don't care if he's right about Manning not coming to Houston, but John McClain always comes off as if he's the one that's running this franchise.

Plus it has been proved many times that he has no clue and no inside info. He is probably right this time though.

Mr. Texan
02-14-2012, 01:36 PM
http://i.minus.com/ib17KgVyL7A2YD.gif

El Tejano
02-14-2012, 01:56 PM
I'd be worried we are getting the Johnny Unitas that played with San Diego.

Texn4life
02-14-2012, 02:00 PM
Manning also doesn’t fit Houston’s offense, which relies so much on movement and the bootleg. McClain is as clued in as any beat writer around. If he says there is “no chance” this will happen, we’re sure that statement wasn’t made in a vacuum.

I can't stand the Peyton doesn't fit in Houston's offense argument. You would think McClain would give Kubiak a little more credit and be smarter than that.

A lot of Peyton's play action comes off of their stretch outside running play in Indy. And while it's not considered a true "bootleg", the design is pretty much the same. Its trying to get the linebackers to flow and commit towards the ball fake and allow plays to be made behind them. Peyton doesn't have to be fleet footed to run the boots in our offense. Usually Schaub doesn't even really get out of the tackle box on his play actions. I'm not sure why this has become as big of an issue as it has.

Watching him play his whole career I have no doubt that the stretch runs/play actions fakes he runs in Indy would translate well enough in our offense.

Also I take what McClain says with a grain of salt. A few years ago he swore up and down that the Texans wouldn't be interested in signing a friend of mine. Meanwhile, there were talks and negotiations going on the entire time until he signed with another team. He doesn't know everything that's going on in the Texans front office like he leads on to believe.

Vinny
02-14-2012, 02:05 PM
I can't stand the Peyton doesn't fit in Houston's offense argument. You would think McClain would give Kubiak a little more credit and be smarter than that.

A lot of Peyton's play action comes off of their stretch outside running play in Indy. And while it's not considered a true "bootleg", the design is pretty much the same. Its trying to get the linebackers to flow and commit towards the ball fake and allow plays to be made behind them. Peyton doesn't have to be fleet footed to run the boots in our offense. Usually Schaub doesn't even really get out of the tackle box on his play actions. I'm not sure why this has become as big of an issue as it has.

Watching him play his whole career I have no doubt that the stretch runs/play actions fakes he runs in Indy would translate well enough in our offense.

Also I take what McClain says with a grain of salt. A few years ago he swore up and down that the Texans wouldn't be interested in signing a friend of mine. Meanwhile, there were talks and negotiations going on the entire time until he signed with another team. He doesn't know everything that's going on in the Texans front office like he leads on to believe.yeah, McClain opens mouth - inserts foot, all the time. Peyton's bread and butter was the stretch play action stuff. You don't have to be fast or quick to run that.

gary
02-14-2012, 02:11 PM
The Texans have a much better running game than Houston does that should help out Manning.

Trap_Star
02-14-2012, 02:14 PM
The Texans have a much better running game than Houston does that should help out Manning.

http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/194799/big-mo-hmmm-face.gif

TejasTom
02-14-2012, 02:27 PM
They will sign someone else is Matt isnt ready Im sure

Given our news QB coach, I'd say Matt Moore.

TejasTom
02-14-2012, 02:29 PM
The Texans have a much better running game than Houston does that should help out Manning.

No, I think Houston has a much better running game than the Texans, but either way, it should help Manning. ;)

Hervoyel
02-14-2012, 02:46 PM
I have no doubts about Manning's arm, or his head, or his desire to win. My only doubts are about his neck and before I'd even begin to entertain thoughts of signing him and turning our existing QB situation upside down I'd have to know beyond any doubt whatsoever that he was 100% and not any kind of bigger risk than anyone else to be injured again.

Fixed. Completely. Otherwise there's no way in the world I'm interested.

If he can demonstrate that then we're talking. I believe that he's got at least 3-4 more years in him. He's not like a lot of these guys who are going to wrap it up at 13-14 years. He's going to play as long as he can play because Manning is one driven, obsessive, "machine" of a QB. You guys all know that. How many years have you watched him just grind us up? He's going to be like Favre and play until he can't play anymore or his family (particularly Archie) convinces him it's time to shut it down.

IF he's healthy.
IF he's serious about playing here.
IF we can work a deal out.

I bring him in. There's not a doubt in my mind about that. I think just having Peyton Manning here would make Arian Foster and/or Mario Williams cheaper. Particularly if Manning takes a reasonable contract just to be here.

But that's a very narrow scenario I've set out there and it's very unlikely to happen.

santo
02-14-2012, 02:58 PM
I used to say I couldn't stand Peyton, but that was because he was so good for many years that it got on my nerves, especially against us. I was maybe jealous we didn't have something like him on our team.

With that said, he could turn into like Favre or Montana and take us deep into the playoffs and I would be first in line buying a Manning jersey in all available colors.

:smiliedance:

Runner
02-14-2012, 03:19 PM
It would be worth picking up Manning just to watch Kubiak's head explode when Kubes sends the punt team onto the field on 4th and 5 and Manning sends it right back to the bench.

Big Lou
02-14-2012, 03:25 PM
http://i.minus.com/ib17KgVyL7A2YD.gif

That's Matt's fatest 40 yard dash in 8 years.........


Love the Hoveround Bootleg!!!!

GlassHalfFull
02-14-2012, 03:28 PM
This thread exists on 30 other message boards.....:kitten:


Just like the Mario one exists on 31 other mbs.

GP
02-14-2012, 03:42 PM
I wonder if the recent struggles with the Colts have been directly related to the persona of Peyton Manning.

That **** he does, the barking and commanding and chewing ass on the sideline if somebody broke off a route three inches too soon...that stuff wears thin on a group of guys after awhile. 10 years worth of it.

I honestly don't think he fits this franchise in terms of the climate Gary has going on here. Here, guys are calm...you never see all-out ass chewing sessions to the degree and consistency that #18 can dish out. In Indy, their HC allows #18 to effectively be the head coach on offense and act as drill sergeant on the rest of those guys. Can you see that type of thing going on here? I can't.

Call me a conspiracy theorist...but I think this is just the typical "Use Houston as a leverage tactic to get other teams moving" type of rumor.

Neither Manning nor Schaub is the answer here, unless you could build Frankenstein QB by putting Schaub's head on Manning's torso. And even then I think it would be a fail.

Marcus knows what Schaub is up against. He and CnD have been preaching this since November and people are slow to listen or slow to remember or whatever. Tell me the name of an NFL player who suffered the same injury and went on to play for more than one year afterward.

Yates will start the year, Schaub enters (maybe) towards the end IF several factors line up for Schaub (i.e. Yates is not playing well AND Schaub has rehabbed well enough to test the foot in a real game).

No way Kubiak brings in a hired gunslinger.

Plus, we built this team to eliminate Peyton Manning's existence from the AFC South. Remember? It would be like Hans Solo telling Darth Vader, "You know what? What the hell, Darth. Come on over and play on our team. Yay!" No way. The sun has set on the Colts. Let it set COMPLETELY. No need to feel sorry for #18 and let him get to come run our team.

I've fully decided that we need to pass on #18. Too many moving parts, so to speak. Roll with Yates, draft Keenum, but don't grab Manning and don't wager that Schaub returns either.

gtexan02
02-14-2012, 03:42 PM
If he signed here, would he be our first HOFer?

GP
02-14-2012, 03:47 PM
It would be worth picking up Manning just to watch Kubiak's head explode when Kubes sends the punt team onto the field on 4th and 5 and Manning sends it right back to the bench.

Kubiak would throw the red challenge flag.

Steve Tasker: "Whats he doing, Gus?"

Gus Johnson: "I don't think I've ever seen this before. A head coach has thrown the challenge flag on his own quarterback."

Steve: "Amazing. Kubiak's going to waste a timeout here. No way the ref overturns THIS call by Manning."

Doppelganger
02-14-2012, 03:48 PM
I can see a trade happening after pick #2. If Cleveland trades up to get RG3 theer is absolutely no other way to go for a QB of Matt Schaub's stats. I also think Cleveland would be forced to give St.Louis their second first round which should also benefit Texans. Rumor is Cleveland would select Wright but if they lose both firsts to St Louis that would assist us. I was up half the night creating scenarios of Manning to Houston Schaub to SKins for #8 and then trading down from #8 to maybe Bengals?

Don't trade back from 8, just pick Melvin Ingram. That is assuming we don't re-sign Mario of course. Otherwise, a slight trade back and take Michael Floyd could work, or just take Floyd at 8. Works for me.

If we are #8, I would do a slight trade back (to say 10 or 11) and grab David DeCastro. He starts as an OG from Day 1 and is miles ahead of Briesel or Wade Smith.

GP
02-14-2012, 03:48 PM
my parents changed the channel if you could update us it would be apprichated

Fixed it.

djohn2oo8
02-14-2012, 03:53 PM
Give me Manning and Reggie Wayne, and it's game over.

HouSportsWriter
02-14-2012, 04:05 PM
This thread exists on 30 other message boards.....:kitten:


Just like the Mario one exists on 31 other mbs.



Well i started it!

GP
02-14-2012, 04:11 PM
Give me Manning and Reggie Wayne, and it's game over.

Maybe 3 or 4 years ago it would have been.

The paths are diverging, IMO. We're taking over the AFC South at a time when Manning is departing (for good) and Wayne is aging and looking at a new head coach, rookie QB in Andrew Luck, and possible losses on the defense that make the Colts as vulnerable in 2012 as they were in 2011.

I think it's nice to envision it, but I don't think it equates to reality. For me, it's nice to know that the Colts have had a bucket of water thrown on them and they've melted like the wicked witch of the east did in the Wizard of Oz. And all of Oz celebrated. Yay!

The key phrase has been "there's a lot of moving parts here..." The moving parts include:

1. Kubiak's history of being VERY loyal to his players, especially the QB. Schaub missed out on the Super Bowl in 2011, and he's in his final contract year in 2012. Doesn't look like a "Kubiak move" to shaft him in favor of #18.

2. We didn't go after Brett Favre a few seasons back. We won't go after his reincarnated self (Manning) either.

3. Manning is not in a neck brace, he's been cleared, etc., but can he make all the throws and do so for a long period of time, accurately, etc.?

4. #18 says he wants to build an incentive-based deal, but seriously....what does that look like? What are the numbers? What triggers the bonus money, and will any of that include roster bonuses for 2013, etc., placing Houston in a bind if he limps through 2012 and we really don't want him in 2013.

5. We built this team to take down the Colts. Mission accomplished, whether by our own doing or the Colts' own doing is irrelevant. Mission accomplished. So why do we let the guy skip over to Houston and let him get to eat his cake, too? I still remember the Colts laying down for the Titans several seasons ago and it let the Titans into the playoffs. That struck a nerve with me then, and it does NOW when I think about Daddy Darth Vader trying to come here and play nice with us all of a sudden. Hit the road, a-hole. Thanks for the memories.

6. I can only imagine an animated Manning on the Texans sideline, trying to chew the asses of guys like Myers, Winston, Brown, Andre Johnson, Owen Daniels, Arian Foster, etc. I bet that would go over like a lead balloon. He'd lose the team in the first three games of the 2012 season...unless he led the team to huge blowout wins those first few games. The potential for disaster outweighs the reward, IMO.

It's been fun to think MAYBE #18 wants us. It was nice when Bill Cowher wanted us, too. I actually enjoyed the 2011 season because we did it without Cowher, whom I was in favor of bringing in by the way, and we can do 2012 without P. Manning, as well.

I will say this: IF the Texans made this happen, it would definitely make for an entertaining off-season, camp, preseason, and first few games of reg season.

badboy
02-14-2012, 04:14 PM
I guess you haven't been reading my posts where I say that he won't.SHould have clarified my post was directed at board and not you specifically. People are questioning Peyton's health but not Matt's and which of the two has been medically cleared?

badboy
02-14-2012, 04:20 PM
If we are #8, I would do a slight trade back (to say 10 or 11) and grab David DeCastro. He starts as an OG from Day 1 and is miles ahead of Briesel or Wade Smith.

I want two firsts for #8 and Bengal's makes most sense. I think Decastro or Ingram could be there but there are several options. I still want a one and a two for Mario from New England. One of the radio stations this afternoon thought NE was perfect fit for Mario.

#17, # 21, #31 & #63 + our own #26. We can draft em or trade the picks.

GP
02-14-2012, 04:20 PM
SHould have clarified my post was directed at board and not you specifically. People are questioning Peyton's health but not Matt's and which of the two has been medically cleared?

Furthermore, I think many players have recovered and gone on to play several more seasons with Manning's type of injury. Can't say the same for the injury Schaub has.

I don't think either of those guys can be the answer here. Manning's downfall will be the history he has with us in the AFCS, the 8 or 9 years of dominating us and now wanting us to pick him up when he's down--No way in hell will Kubiak bring him in NOW, it's not a fit from a team culture standpoint. Schaub's downfall is his injury and what that has historically looked like upon a player's return from it.

Personally, I think Kubiak gambles that Yates can have a full off-season, a full camp as QB1, a full preseason and practices as QB1, and upgrade a few things via draft and free agency, and it ends up better than 2011 for us.

Texn4life
02-14-2012, 04:48 PM
Furthermore, I think many players have recovered and gone on to play several more seasons with Manning's type of injury. Can't say the same for the injury Schaub has.

I don't think either of those guys can be the answer here. Manning's downfall will be the history he has with us in the AFCS, the 8 or 9 years of dominating us and now wanting us to pick him up when he's down--No way in hell will Kubiak bring him in NOW, it's not a fit from a team culture standpoint. Schaub's downfall is his injury and what that has historically looked like upon a player's return from it.

Personally, I think Kubiak gambles that Yates can have a full off-season, a full camp as QB1, a full preseason and practices as QB1, and upgrade a few things via draft and free agency, and it ends up better than 2011 for us.

GP, I respect the hell out of you but what does that say about the Texans if we feel like a 4 time MVP who's been to the playoffs every year pretty much doesn't fit the culture here? I think that speaks more negatively towards the Texans than it does Peyton.

So are we now going to start passing on fiery QB's in the future who push their teammates to be better and instead get passing guys to lead the offense and pat them on the butt and whisper sweet nothings to them when they mess up? I love Tom Brady, Ben Ben, Brees, pretty much every other QB in the league because they're fiery killers on the field and on the sideline. Are we saying our laid back approach is not a fit for the mentality of most great QBs? If that's the case then I would feel sorry for our future under Kubiak.

Rey
02-14-2012, 04:48 PM
What qb's has kubiak been "very loyal to"? Carr? Sage? Orvlosky? That one guy? Brinks? Zabransky? That other guy? I think some of these kubiakisms are overstated. I think he will do what it takes to win, whatever that may be.

BullNation4Life
02-14-2012, 04:55 PM
Sorry, but I love me some 6'5 QB with a laser rocket arm...

http://blogs.standard.net/standing-out/files/2011/10/Peyton-Manning.jpg


broke neck or not....

Norg
02-14-2012, 05:01 PM
Umm we never took down the colts we went 1-1 with them last year .......

Remember DanO and "REGGIE WAYNE" beat us

and two years ago @indy MNF With peyton manning world watchin 30-17 beat us by like 2 scores Colts beat us again

so IMO we never took down the colts Manning took down the colts

and i hope around this time of the year next year if manning goes back to the colts and sweeps us again thus taking us out of the playoffs just for not getting him when he wanted to come here i can see it now........:kitten:


then what will yall have to say

TexanSam
02-14-2012, 05:03 PM
6. I can only imagine an animated Manning on the Texans sideline, trying to chew the asses of guys like Myers, Winston, Brown, Andre Johnson, Owen Daniels, Arian Foster, etc. I bet that would go over like a lead balloon. He'd lose the team in the first three games of the 2012 season...unless he led the team to huge blowout wins those first few games. The potential for disaster outweighs the reward, IMO.

I see your points of view except on this one. Yeah, Manning would chew out his players at times, but I don't recall ever hearing about him losing the team. I highly doubt that would happen here. Sometimes, depending on the flow of the game, guys deserve to get their asses chewed, but it's not as if Manning does it on purpose just for the hell of it.

If Manning were to come here (and I highly doubt it), I doubt any of our players would get offended by being yelled at by a HOF QB. He's not a primadonna.

Grams
02-14-2012, 05:05 PM
Sorry, but I love me some 6'5 QB with a laser rocket arm...

http://blogs.standard.net/standing-out/files/2011/10/Peyton-Manning.jpg


broke neck or not....

Problem is - it is not the neck - it is the nerves in that "laser rocket" arm.
It just might turn out to be "jellyfish" arm.

Norg
02-14-2012, 05:07 PM
http://i.minus.com/ib17KgVyL7A2YD.gif

GP
02-14-2012, 05:09 PM
GP, I respect the hell out of you but what does that say about the Texans if we feel like a 4 time MVP who's been to the playoffs every year pretty much doesn't fit the culture here? I think that speaks more negatively towards the Texans than it does Peyton.

So are we now going to start passing on fiery QB's in the future who push their teammates to be better and instead get passing guys to lead the offense and pat them on the butt and whisper sweet nothings to them when they mess up? I love Tom Brady, Ben Ben, Brees, pretty much every other QB in the league because they're fiery killers on the field and on the sideline. Are we saying out laid back approach is not a fit for the mentality of most great QBs? If that's the case then I would feel sorry for our future under Kubiak.

I'm saying it's the whole ball of wax, not merely the one thing that posters point to.

Some say he wouldn't be a fit for the offense. Some say he might get hurt and that'd be the end of Manning forever. Some say Kubiak wouldn't kick Schaub to the curb and let him sit back and watch the Texans be QB'd by #18.

It's everything all rolled into one: But the thing that matters the most is that this team has cohesion and unity, and bringing in a guy like Manning--right now, for where we're at--would be a Rex Ryan-type of move. It would scream desperation, as if THAT'S the free agency move that puts us over the top. Moreover, it says Kubiak has said "To heck with developing QBs, I'm just going to kick back and let Peyton do his thing." VY didn't land here for that very reason, btw.

It's not a backhanded comment for me to say that Manning would mess up the mojo we have going on here. It's actually a compliment. See, Peyton cares more about winning and matching Eli's rings than he does about the other variables involved in being a team leader. I'd be worried about a guy like that; a guy who covets the big prize soooooo much that he might forget that there are 51 other guys who have a stake in things and are men of honor and integrity, too. I'd be worried that Manning tries to take the team on his back and becomes an imploding doomsday device for whatever team he's QB'ing.

We didn't need Favre for that, and we don't need Manning for that either. Let the desperate teams like the Redskins go "all in" for Manning, throwing their lot in with #18 to try and make a winning team out of it. It's exactly the type of thing a guy like Daniel Snyder does, btw. And it never works.

"We're trying to catch guys on their way UP, not give out contracts to guys who are in decline and looking for one last payday" -- paraphrased quote from, IIRC, one or two off-seasons ago when McNair, Smith, and Kubiak united to respond about what types of players they wanted to bring in for high-profile positions. I don't see why they deviate from that plan all of a sudden, regardless of the HOF status Manning has achieved already.

Kubiak is all about building a McNair-type of team: Long-term guys, no slash-and-burn tactics where everybody fears their safety rather than focusing on becoming better players instead, etc. I am only saying that I don't think Kubiak is the type of guy who would bring in Manning right now. Yeah, I know, it's Peyton Manning. Trust me, we have ALL flirted with the "What if???" scenarios in our heads about Manning leading us to 3 straight SB titles in '12, '13 and '14.

But honestly, I don't see the reward outweighing the risk. We're really, really close to being a 4 or 5-year type of dominating team here. And I think Yates, and more draft picks on QB over these next few years, will be the way Kubiak goes about that business.

The Manning idea has too many moving parts, and they don't match up with the gears and sprockets of the Texans. In my opinion.

GP
02-14-2012, 05:12 PM
http://i.minus.com/ib17KgVyL7A2YD.gif

I didn't notice the scooter there. I thought that was Schaub rolling out on a bootleg play.

:spit:

Dutchrudder
02-14-2012, 05:24 PM
I want two firsts for #8 and Bengal's makes most sense. I think Decastro or Ingram could be there but there are several options. I still want a one and a two for Mario from New England. One of the radio stations this afternoon thought NE was perfect fit for Mario.

#17, # 21, #31 & #63 + our own #26. We can draft em or trade the picks.

I think the best we could get from the Pats for Mario is a 2nd. They seem to only trade for bargains, they gave up a 5th and 6th for Ochocinco, a 5th for Haynesworth, a 4th for Deion Branch. Granted none of those guys are on Mario's level, but you don't see them giving up premium picks for anyone. A 2nd is better than maybe getting a comp 3rd.

If we are #8, I would do a slight trade back (to say 10 or 11) and grab David DeCastro. He starts as an OG from Day 1 and is miles ahead of Briesel or Wade Smith.

I would have no problem taking Decastro at #8, but if we re-sign Myers and Brisiel, there's no need to use that pick on him. If we lose Mario, then I think we need a pass rusher in the 1st. We also need a WR there too, which is why Floyd would work too. Floyd and Curry with 8 and 26, or Ingram and Wright/Sanu in the other case would be good.

Texn4life
02-14-2012, 05:29 PM
I'm saying it's the whole ball of wax, not merely the one thing that posters point to.

Some say he wouldn't be a fit for the offense. Some say he might get hurt and that'd be the end of Manning forever. Some say Kubiak wouldn't kick Schaub to the curb and let him sit back and watch the Texans be QB'd by #18.

It's everything all rolled into one: But the thing that matters the most is that this team has cohesion and unity, and bringing in a guy like Manning--right now, for where we're at--would be a Rex Ryan-type of move. It would scream desperation, as if THAT'S the free agency move that puts us over the top. Moreover, it says Kubiak has said "To heck with developing QBs, I'm just going to kick back and let Peyton do his thing." VY didn't land here for that very reason, btw.

It's not a backhanded comment for me to say that Manning would mess up the mojo we have going on here. It's actually a compliment. See, Peyton cares more about winning and matching Eli's rings than he does about the other variables involved in being a team leader. I'd be worried about a guy like that; a guy who covets the big prize soooooo much that he might forget that there are 51 other guys who have a stake in things and are men of honor and integrity, too. I'd be worried that Manning tries to take the team on his back and becomes an imploding doomsday device for whatever team he's QB'ing.

We didn't need Favre for that, and we don't need Manning for that either. Let the desperate teams like the Redskins go "all in" for Manning, throwing their lot in with #18 to try and make a winning team out of it. It's exactly the type of thing a guy like Daniel Snyder does, btw. And it never works.

"We're trying to catch guys on their way UP, not give out contracts to guys who are in decline and looking for one last payday" -- paraphrased quote from, IIRC, one or two off-seasons ago when McNair, Smith, and Kubiak united to respond about what types of players they wanted to bring in for high-profile positions. I don't see why they deviate from that plan all of a sudden, regardless of the HOF status Manning has achieved already.

Kubiak is all about building a McNair-type of team: Long-term guys, no slash-and-burn tactics where everybody fears their safety rather than focusing on becoming better players instead, etc. I am only saying that I don't think Kubiak is the type of guy who would bring in Manning right now. Yeah, I know, it's Peyton Manning. Trust me, we have ALL flirted with the "What if???" scenarios in our heads about Manning leading us to 3 straight SB titles in '12, '13 and '14.

But honestly, I don't see the reward outweighing the risk. We're really, really close to being a 4 or 5-year type of dominating team here. And I think Yates, and more draft picks on QB over these next few years, will be the way Kubiak goes about that business.

The Manning idea has too many moving parts, and they don't match up with the gears and sprockets of the Texans. In my opinion.


I hear what you're saying and agree with certain aspects of it. Its a huge risk to sign Manning at this point where he's at. Its also a huge risk to go into next season with Scaub, Yates, and an added QB who's not proven. I don't really know that Yates is a long term answer at QB like most people here.

We're really in a tough position. If Schaub isn't healthy to start the season then there is a good possibility depending on the schedule that we may be out of playoff contention by the time he comes back. We'd be banking on a lot of things with Yates calling the shots.

I would just hope that this organization doesn't seriously have that mentality though when it comes to guys who are win at all cost type of players. I seriously think this team could really take the next jump with a guy with Manning's approach to the game. But I see where you're coming from though.

Nawzer
02-14-2012, 05:58 PM
This thread is 9 pages long! Awesome!

badboy
02-14-2012, 06:05 PM
I think the best we could get from the Pats for Mario is a 2nd. They seem to only trade for bargains, they gave up a 5th and 6th for Ochocinco, a 5th for Haynesworth, a 4th for Deion Branch. Granted none of those guys are on Mario's level, but you don't see them giving up premium picks for anyone. A 2nd is better than maybe getting a comp 3rd.



I would have no problem taking Decastro at #8, but if we re-sign Myers and Brisiel, there's no need to use that pick on him. If we lose Mario, then I think we need a pass rusher in the 1st. We also need a WR there too, which is why Floyd would work too. Floyd and Curry with 8 and 26, or Ingram and Wright/Sanu in the other case would be good.OooRaaah!

False Start
02-14-2012, 06:12 PM
Just imagine looking in the Gameday program at Reliant next season, and seeing this... :kitten:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/peytonmediaguidepuccopy.jpg

I see there are quite a few folks here that want to bring in Peyton, (I'm not one BTW) this is for you. :cool: :D

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/peyton2101210.jpg

SAMURAITEXAN
02-14-2012, 06:22 PM
Here is a good thing that comes out of Manning though.

We all know that TJ is the future starter for the texans. With manning there he can teach Yates, and yates may benefit from it.

Who knows though.

TJ did attend Manning's QB camp. So, TJ will be more than happy to learn from Manning.

Go Texans!!!

Doppelganger
02-14-2012, 06:26 PM
I would have no problem taking Decastro at #8, but if we re-sign Myers and Brisiel, there's no need to use that pick on him. If we lose Mario, then I think we need a pass rusher in the 1st. We also need a WR there too, which is why Floyd would work too. Floyd and Curry with 8 and 26, or Ingram and Wright/Sanu in the other case would be good.

I agree with you that the Texans could use a passrusher or a WR. I am a little wary of Floyd as he reminds me too much of Kenny Britt. Ingram would be a great pass rushing option and combining him with a Sanu would be great.

BUT, I see DeCastro as the second coming of Steve Hutchinson. Hutch was a 7 time Probowler, a 5 time All Pro who was pivotal in the emergence of the Seattle and Viking running game. When he was there the Seahawk running attack was #3. When he left #26. Adding an OG of DeCastro's ability would tremendously improve the offense. He could create massive holes for the RB, pass block to keep the QB safe, and make that all important block downfield at the second level. He is much better then any OG the Texans currently have and would be in the discussion for top OG in the league the second he steps on the field.

I have DeCastro as the #1 prospect on my Big board and i think his value is too much to pass up.

PapaL
02-14-2012, 06:48 PM
28 Million reasons that Manning being released is a topic of discussion.

I'll see your $28M and raise you a #8 overall pick and QB w a jacked up foot.

RagingBull
02-14-2012, 07:01 PM
It would be like Hans Solo telling Darth Vader, "You know what? What the hell, Darth. Come on over and play on our team. Yay!" No way.

WELLLLL...

Darth Vader did kill the Emporer at the end. So Darth did end up playing for the good guys in the end...

PapaL
02-14-2012, 07:05 PM
Schaub wasn't worth a #8 overall pick in 2007 and now coming off season ending surgery with a jacked up foot and older he's worth it? hahaha

Thorn
02-14-2012, 07:14 PM
Well, that's it, without Manning the Texans will be 2-14 next year. :overreact:

Texn4life
02-14-2012, 07:17 PM
Well, that's it, without Manning the Texans will be 2-14 next year. :overreact:


I think the major overreaction is coming from your direction. I don't see anyone who's said that would even be close to the case.

Thorn
02-14-2012, 07:22 PM
My attempt at humor has failed. :kubepalm:

Texn4life
02-14-2012, 07:24 PM
My attempt at humor has failed. :kubepalm:

Not quite, but I've seen your posts on the thread about the subject so it seems the topic really gets under your skin.

Thorn
02-14-2012, 07:28 PM
Not quite, but I've seen your posts on the thread about the subject so it seems the topic really gets under your skin.

Not really, the only thing that really bothers me is folks that actually think it might happen. But I've made many more outlandish predictions than this.

Although, I suppose if you somehow combined Manning and Global Warming you'd peak my interest fairly quickly. :whip:

Texn4life
02-14-2012, 07:35 PM
Not really, the only thing that really bothers me is folks that actually think it might happen. But I've made many more outlandish predictions than this.

Although, I suppose if you somehow combined Manning and Global Warming you'd peak my interest fairly quickly. :whip:


Lol, yeah I can understand that. Its fun to think about, but the likelihood of it happening is about 5% for a lot of different reasons. Many of which GP already outlined in an earlier post.

TexCanada
02-14-2012, 07:44 PM
Lol, yeah I can understand that. Its fun to think about, but the likelihood of it happening is about 5% for a lot of different reasons. Many of which GP already outlined in an earlier post.

I think 5% is a pretty reasonable estimate considering how many factors are in play here.

EllisUnit
02-14-2012, 08:14 PM
:vincepalm: this is why i dont hang out on the boards much during the off season. We cant sign Mario to a contract due to the cap, and now people expect us to sign Manning.

Why woould some of yall want the texans to sign him anyways ? Hell we had a superbowl team last season with TJ yates at the helm. Imagine if it had been Matt Schaub, leave well enough alone, sign a good #2 WR and a possible CB, plus the draft and call it good. Why waste money where its not needed ?

PapaL
02-14-2012, 08:22 PM
:vincepalm: this is why i dont hang out on the boards much during the off season. We cant sign Mario to a contract due to the cap, and now people expect us to sign Manning.

Why woould some of yall want the texans to sign him anyways ? Hell we had a superbowl team last season with TJ yates at the helm. Imagine if it had been Matt Schaub, leave well enough alone, sign a good #2 WR and a possible CB, plus the draft and call it good. Why waste money where its not needed ?

Hate to be technical but we did not have a SB team this year. Unless we traded franchises, which would be news to me.

badboy
02-14-2012, 08:40 PM
Schaub wasn't worth a #8 overall pick in 2007 and now coming off season ending surgery with a jacked up foot and older he's worth it? hahahaWashington desperately needs a starting QB and probably have no way to get one in draft that can start day one. Their owner has history of taking chances & spending tremendous amounts of money.
The coaches know and have worked with Schaub and the offensive scheme is similar. So an 8th is steep but one I'd take for Matt & if I were Shanny prob be willing to give for a starting QB.
In 2007 Matt had minimal experience now he is considered a top 10 QB.

PapaL
02-14-2012, 09:08 PM
Washington desperately needs a starting QB and probably have no way to get one in draft that can start day one. Their owner has history of taking chances & spending tremendous amounts of money.
The coaches know and have worked with Schaub and the offensive scheme is similar. So an 8th is steep but one I'd take for Matt & if I were Shanny prob be willing to give for a starting QB.
In 2007 Matt had minimal experience now he is considered a top 10 QB.

Is he top 10 in his motorized scooter? Hypothetically at best we're talking the 40th pick or next years 2nd that could be bumped up to 1st.

Facts are when he's hurt, he's down for awhile. He has zero playoff experience. He's prone to making mistakes at crunch time. AJ makes him look better, they have no one in the same realm as AJ. Schaub is a product of the system ala Jake Plummer and not John Elway. Let's be honest here. A 1st for Schaub is a Madden trade.

Kimmy
02-14-2012, 09:20 PM
Washington desperately needs a starting QB and probably have no way to get one in draft that can start day one. Their owner has history of taking chances & spending tremendous amounts of money.
The coaches know and have worked with Schaub and the offensive scheme is similar. So an 8th is steep but one I'd take for Matt & if I were Shanny prob be willing to give for a starting QB.
In 2007 Matt had minimal experience now he is considered a top 10 QB.

The NFL would LOVE that, too. Manning vs Manning twice a year.

badboy
02-14-2012, 09:38 PM
Is he top 10 in his motorized scooter? Hypothetically at best we're talking the 40th pick or next years 2nd that could be bumped up to 1st.

Facts are when he's hurt, he's down for awhile. He has zero playoff experience. He's prone to making mistakes at crunch time. AJ makes him look better, they have no one in the same realm as AJ. Schaub is a product of the system ala Jake Plummer and not John Elway. Let's be honest here. A 1st for Schaub is a Madden trade.Of course the trade would have to be if Matt is healthy or will be by TC as with any injured player. As far as WRs to throw to, there are very good receivers in 2nd, 3rd and some in 4th. Gafney had almnost 1,000 yds & several others averaged over 10 per catch.

Why would Schaub not be a product of Washington's system? He has not been to playoffs but neither has Washington & I doubt that is the goal for next year. I see 10 losses so Schaub just has to do his best, stay alive, sign a huge contract and then begin to build the team with the management.

badboy
02-14-2012, 09:39 PM
The NFL would LOVE that, too. Manning vs Manning twice a year.Think we'd get a few national tv games?

Hervoyel
02-14-2012, 11:21 PM
I don't feel like we have to do this. I feel like if certain conditions are present then I think it would be a successful move. If you have a healthy Peyton Manning who is at no more risk of injury than any other player that's a starting point.

I think that at the most Manning, if healthy has 4 years left, max. Well, look at our offense. How many years do you think Andre Johnson has left in him? How many does Arian Foster get to run the way he does right now? Skill position players live very short NFL lives by and large. Wade Phillips is how old again exactly? How long do you think he'll be coaching our defense?

Windows of opportunity can be very short in the NFL. I'd do this if I could be certain he was healthy and if he was more interested in rings than money over the next four years. He's been paid impressively for years to be the franchise in Indianapolis. As the team slowly became less balanced and less talented he always made up the difference. We won't pay that kind of money for him because we're not asking him to do that here. We have a team that's being described right now as one of the most balanced in football. Matt Schaub can drive this team to the playoffs and I think maybe to the Super Bowl. T.J. Yates drove this team to the playoffs. Peyton Manning can, I think win a Super Bowl with this team.

Think and try to remember just about every clutch moment you ever saw Matt Schaub have. There were plenty of them so it shouldn't be hard to do that. I'm not saying he didn't have some clutch moments. Now understand that Peyton Manning can do that, no problem. Now think of every "Awwww ****!" moment you ever saw Matt have. Those also happened often enough that you shouldn't have much trouble remembering a few of them.

Most of the last 14 years has shown us that Peyton Manning doesn't do much of that. That's just a fact. Schaub is a good QB but there aren't many players out there who couldn't be upgraded. Don't get hung up on one guy. This isn't Tom Brady or Ray Lewis or.... Peyton Manning we're talking about. It's Matt Schaub. He's as much Chris Chandler as he is Kurt Warner.

Let Mario go and get something for him if you can. Trust that Wade Phillips can identify a player who can come in and give us what we thought Brooks Reed was going to do last year. Cushing, Reed, and someone else Wade takes a shine to I think is good enough.

Try to move Matt and if you can get something for him.

Sign Manning, draft a WR, see if Wayne wants to come here and line up opposite AJ and reconnect with his QB to get a ring. Those two have never been on a team that could run like we can or that could put a defense like ours on the field. In one move you essentially lobotomize the Colts and make us the team to beat in the AFC for the next 3-4 years.

But he's got to be healthy.

Texan_Bill
02-14-2012, 11:37 PM
Some people have taken a personal shot at Bob Allen..

A) This guy is the longest running sports anchor, ever!
B) He is a Westbury Rebel
C) He's been credible his entire career

That said, he even acknowledges that he knows it would never happen, BUT has knowledge that it was said by a credible source....

From Bob Allen, I believe it.

Texan_Bill
02-14-2012, 11:38 PM
PS... It will never happen.


Can we stop it please??


PLEASE?????

ADTpaul
02-15-2012, 12:03 AM
Sign Manning & Wayne in addition to resign our guys like Myers, Mario Williams and crew would be a dream come true! Somehow it could happen...AFC would be our division easily for the next few years!

I don't feel like we have to do this. I feel like if certain conditions are present then I think it would be a successful move. If you have a healthy Peyton Manning who is at no more risk of injury than any other player that's a starting point.

I think that at the most Manning, if healthy has 4 years left, max. Well, look at our offense. How many years do you think Andre Johnson has left in him? How many does Arian Foster get to run the way he does right now? Skill position players live very short NFL lives by and large. Wade Phillips is how old again exactly? How long do you think he'll be coaching our defense?

Windows of opportunity can be very short in the NFL. I'd do this if I could be certain he was healthy and if he was more interested in rings than money over the next four years. He's been paid impressively for years to be the franchise in Indianapolis. As the team slowly became less balanced and less talented he always made up the difference. We won't pay that kind of money for him because we're not asking him to do that here. We have a team that's being described right now as one of the most balanced in football. Matt Schaub can drive this team to the playoffs and I think maybe to the Super Bowl. T.J. Yates drove this team to the playoffs. Peyton Manning can, I think win a Super Bowl with this team.

Think and try to remember just about every clutch moment you ever saw Matt Schaub have. There were plenty of them so it shouldn't be hard to do that. I'm not saying he didn't have some clutch moments. Now understand that Peyton Manning can do that, no problem. Now think of every "Awwww ****!" moment you ever saw Matt have. Those also happened often enough that you shouldn't have much trouble remembering a few of them.

Most of the last 14 years has shown us that Peyton Manning doesn't do much of that. That's just a fact. Schaub is a good QB but there aren't many players out there who couldn't be upgraded. Don't get hung up on one guy. This isn't Tom Brady or Ray Lewis or.... Peyton Manning we're talking about. It's Matt Schaub. He's as much Chris Chandler as he is Kurt Warner.

Let Mario go and get something for him if you can. Trust that Wade Phillips can identify a player who can come in and give us what we thought Brooks Reed was going to do last year. Cushing, Reed, and someone else Wade takes a shine to I think is good enough.

Try to move Matt and if you can get something for him.

Sign Manning, draft a WR, see if Wayne wants to come here and line up opposite AJ and reconnect with his QB to get a ring. Those two have never been on a team that could run like we can or that could put a defense like ours on the field. In one move you essentially lobotomize the Colts and make us the team to beat in the AFC for the next 3-4 years.

But he's got to be healthy.

GP
02-15-2012, 12:05 AM
If #18 is playing in the NFL in 2012, it will be very interesting to see how it goes.

When he's firing on all cylinders, he's unstoppable. I think our offense IS a precision type of offense, which fits #18's style of game.

I just think the Texans quietly wave off the opportunity and move along...I am pretty sure they'll discuss it and kick the idea around, don't get me wrong, but at the end of the day...it feels like they'll decline to enter the Manning sweepstakes and move on with other plans.

Of course, the Rockets picked up an aging Clyde Drexler and look how that turned out.

Stemp
02-15-2012, 12:08 AM
I will be so glad when Manning is released and signs with someone else.

Texn4life
02-15-2012, 12:14 AM
Some people have taken a personal shot at Bob Allen..

A) This guy is the longest running sports anchor, ever!
B) He is a Westbury Rebel
C) He's been credible his entire career

That said, he even acknowledges that he knows it would never happen, BUT has knowledge that it was said by a credible source....

From Bob Allen, I believe it.


J & R on 610 were super harsh on Allen. I turned it off because they were trying to clown him so much. It was kind of classless the way the handled the whole situation. There's no reason to think he would make this up if it wasn't given to him from someone with true knowledge of what Manning's thought process is. Rich has always come off as a real jerk off to me anyway. Never cared for the guy at all.

Playoffs
02-15-2012, 02:01 AM
John Clayton @ClaytonESPN Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
As far as Manning's rehab, he is getting stronger, but he's still not up to Manning levels. That might be months away.

two places i don't see Manning getting chance to move to is Houston + Arizona. The Texans aren't changing QBs. Don't see Cards paying 2 QBs

I can't put a percentage on which way next week's meeting will go between Manning and Irsay. Lots of emotion involved on both sides.

From everything I hear, Andrew Luck would be comfortable having Manning with the Colts. They have a good relationship.

One of the problems facing Manning is no dome teams are in need of quarterbacks. Peyton can stay in the dome he help to build.

My opinion is the best thing for Colts and Manning to do is work it out. Manning needs time to regain strength. Staying a Colt buys time.

So what do you think. Jim Irsay leaves to door open for a possible Peyton Manning return. It can work out if Peyton want it work.

7h Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Jim Irsay to John Clayton: "We want him back. We can work out the contract if he wants to work it out. It's going to be Peyton's call.''

Bulls on Parade
02-15-2012, 08:09 AM
A lot of people think Irsay is just trying to save face and look like the good guy by saying the decision is Peyton's to make. It's very unlikely that he is going to stay with the Colts. And why do people assume the Texans aren't changing QBs? Matt Schaub is entering a contract year and is also coming off season-ending surgery. Under those circumstances it isn't exactly a slam dunk that Schaub will be here much longer.

Texan_Bill
02-15-2012, 08:19 AM
:facepalm: Texans Fans!

Ktexan68
02-15-2012, 08:45 AM
Josh Innes is such a douche. Seriously.

2012Champs
02-15-2012, 09:05 AM
:vincepalm: this is why i dont hang out on the boards much during the off season. We cant sign Mario to a contract due to the cap, and now people expect us to sign Manning.

Why woould some of yall want the texans to sign him anyways ? Hell we had a superbowl team last season with TJ yates at the helm. Imagine if it had been Matt Schaub, leave well enough alone, sign a good #2 WR and a possible CB, plus the draft and call it good. Why waste money where its not needed ?


A super bowl team with Yates? lol all hopes of people taking you serious just kind of faded

Playoffs
02-15-2012, 09:40 AM
:facepalm: Texans Fans!

:toropalm:

Ryan
02-15-2012, 09:53 AM
Unless you have Brees, Rodgers, Brady, or someone like that on your team you have to discuss it, but the idea that people actually think there's a chance in hell that we'd pay him when Kubiak already has his guy in Schaub is borderline nuts.

Marcus
02-15-2012, 10:10 AM
A super bowl team with Yates? lol all hopes of people taking you serious just kind of faded

How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.

drunkcookie
02-15-2012, 10:21 AM
J & R on 610 were super harsh on Allen. I turned it off because they were trying to clown him so much. It was kind of classless the way the handled the whole situation. There's no reason to think he would make this up if it wasn't given to him from someone with true knowledge of what Manning's thought process is. Rich has always come off as a real jerk off to me anyway. Never cared for the guy at all.

Rich hasn't been on this week, Straw's been sitting in for him...

Josh Innis was really going too long and too far with it yesterday... He was criticizing the wording, something like "Manning is 'definitely' interested in 'possibly' coming to the Texans..." Yah, bad wording, and Bob Allen called in and admitted it was, but was it worth that many segments of bashing? No..

They also made the point (caller brought it up, they agreed) that the wording was intentional, placed as an out for Allen to say "oh i said possibly, never said he was fo sure interested..." Bob Allen said he doesn't "do that crap", and Straw told him "it was a point a caller made, not coming from us." BS, they ran with it and hammered it... Funny how before and after Allen was on that Innis talked all tough about how he has the balls to call out media personalities in Houston, but he was silent a the whole time Allen was on the phone after introducing him with mega ass-kissing...

It is obvious from the context of all of what Bob Allen reported that he was saying that Manning was interested, there was no way for him to fall back on it... Bad wording in one freaking sentence? Yes...but we all got the point...

Rey
02-15-2012, 10:24 AM
I don't often agree with marcus, but when I do I prefer dos equis. How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.

2012Champs
02-15-2012, 10:46 AM
How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.



Let me ask you, Do you somehow think we were a sb WITH yates?


Acutally my opinion of Yates was formed well before the Ravens game. The Balt int were bad, the missed int in balt were bad, the number of other missed or called back ints in his other games were bad.

My opinion is that if the Texans know that Schaub wont be back at the start of the season they will look to get someone else to start instead of falling back on Yates again. I assure you my opinion isnt far fetched

Stemp
02-15-2012, 11:44 AM
Yates is the #2 QB. If Schaub isn't ready by the start of the season Yates will be #1 and Kubiak will bring back Delhomme or some other vet to back him up like last season if Lienhart is released or signs elsewhere.

This is pretty much a moot point because everything I've heard is that Schaub will be ready by the start of training camp.

QB Matt Schaub's progress from Lisfranc surgery and the team's commitment to T.J. Yates and Matt Leinart are just three reasons why it's very unlikely Peyton Manning would play with the Texans, according to the Houston Chronicle, which also pointed out that Manning's uncertain health status and the Texans' offensive philosophy are major deterrents in a Manning-Houston scenario.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/17262188

Double Barrel
02-15-2012, 12:06 PM
:facepalm: Manning Fans!

FIFY :cowboy1:


How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.

It will be interesting to see the amount of crow being served when Schaub is our starter in 2012 and Yates is his backup.

As much as folks like to believe that they know how Kubiak & Co. think, often they are just confused by the voices in their own heads.


Rich hasn't been on this week, Straw's been sitting in for him...

Josh Innis was really going too long and too far with it yesterday... He was criticizing the wording, something like "Manning is 'definitely' interested in 'possibly' coming to the Texans..." Yah, bad wording, and Bob Allen called in and admitted it was, but was it worth that many segments of bashing? No..

They also made the point (caller brought it up, they agreed) that the wording was intentional, placed as an out for Allen to say "oh i said possibly, never said he was fo sure interested..." Bob Allen said he doesn't "do that crap", and Straw told him "it was a point a caller made, not coming from us." BS, they ran with it and hammered it... Funny how before and after Allen was on that Innis talked all tough about how he has the balls to call out media personalities in Houston, but he was silent a the whole time Allen was on the phone after introducing him with mega ass-kissing...

It is obvious from the context of all of what Bob Allen reported that he was saying that Manning was interested, there was no way for him to fall back on it... Bad wording in one freaking sentence? Yes...but we all got the point...

Josh Innis is a sad example of Houston radio. He's Mr. Channel Changer to me. I could care less about what kind of pie he likes (or whatever mundane personal insight he wishes to share), and his takes are rarely even interesting. Then, he does stuff like this...

Hardcore Texan
02-15-2012, 12:18 PM
Yates is the #2 QB. If Schaub isn't ready by the start of the season Yates will be #1 and Kubiak will bring back Delhomme or some other vet to back him up like last season if Lienhart is released or signs elsewhere. This is pretty much a moot point because everything I've heard is that Schaub will be ready by the start of training camp.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/17262188

FIFY :cowboy1:




It will be interesting to see the amount of crow being served when Schaub is our starter in 2012 and Yates is his backup.
As much as folks like to believe that they know how Kubiak & Co. think, often they are just confused by the voices in their own heads.




Josh Innis is a sad example of Houston radio. He's Mr. Channel Changer to me. I could care less about what kind of pie he likes (or whatever mundane personal insight he wishes to share), and his takes are rarely even interesting. Then, he does stuff like this...

It really is that simple. That's it....period. It's like folks havent' been paying attention to Kubiak's M.O. or something. It's as plain as day to me.

2012Champs
02-15-2012, 12:26 PM
It will be interesting to see the amount of crow being served when Schaub is our starter in 2012 and Yates is his backup.







Thats actually not the scenario I was talking about. I too think if Schaub is ready to start Yates will be backup. If for some reason Schaub isnt ready it of my opinion and hope Yates isnt the go to guy

badboy
02-15-2012, 12:28 PM
J & R on 610 were super harsh on Allen. I turned it off because they were trying to clown him so much. It was kind of classless the way the handled the whole situation. There's no reason to think he would make this up if it wasn't given to him from someone with true knowledge of what Manning's thought process is. Rich has always come off as a real jerk off to me anyway. Never cared for the guy at all.yeah i caught that and turned it off also. They are correct in that any media figure can be criticised like any entertainment person but don't trash the guy for reporting what he got from a creditable source.

drunkcookie
02-15-2012, 12:29 PM
Josh Innis is a sad example of Houston radio. He's Mr. Channel Changer to me. I could care less about what kind of pie he likes (or whatever mundane personal insight he wishes to share), and his takes are rarely even interesting. Then, he does stuff like this...

I've actually warmed up to him a "tad"... Half the time i like him, half the time i can't stand him...

I will say the show's a lot easier to listen to when Rich is there, he seems to reel Josh in before he takes too much line and spools the show... It gets real bad when Koch or Straw/whoever is filling in for Rich, because he takes over... It becomes the "i received negative tweets/texts/emails, let me talk about how I'm trying to change the way radio is done in Houston and how Houston listeners are soft compared to other listeners in legit markets the whole show" show... The pecimism flows like a flooded river and I'm forced to switch stations and listen to Charlie Pallilo talk about the greatest Tennis matches of 1979...

badboy
02-15-2012, 12:35 PM
Unless you have Brees, Rodgers, Brady, or someone like that on your team you have to discuss it, but the idea that people actually think there's a chance in hell that we'd pay him when Kubiak already has his guy in Schaub is borderline nuts.Well, he has him only for one more year guaranteed and Matt has not been released to play and will not be for some time. his injury is veryserious and one of our posters is a doctor & has voiced his opinion as I recall that it could be more serious than many are giving credence to.

Just because you take a dog for a walk doesn't mean you own the dog.

drunkcookie
02-15-2012, 12:42 PM
Just because you take a dog for a walk doesn't mean you own the dog.

I love making up and deciphering metaphors n junk, but I'm having a hard time seeing where this one fits with what you said...explain...

Marcus
02-15-2012, 01:22 PM
It will be interesting to see the amount of crow being served when Schaub is our starter in 2012 and Yates is his backup..

If Schaub is the starter at the beginning of the season, I'll be eating a ton of it, since I don't think he'll be ready in time.

All these "reports" that his rehab is progressing well enough to do that . . . I want to see the sources.

Goatcheese
02-15-2012, 01:30 PM
If Schaub is the starter at the beginning of the season, I'll be eating a ton of it, since I don't think he'll be ready in time.

All these "reports" that his rehab is progressing well enough to do that . . . I want to see the sources.

Schaub thinks he'll be ready by the start of OTAs, and no doubt about Training Camp. There is a huge amount of time between camp and week 1, so it's almost certain that Schaub will be ready by the season opener barring a massive setback.

I'll most likely be ready to participate in OTAs, definitely training camp be full-go

So, yeah... the source is Matt Schaub.

dalemurphy
02-15-2012, 01:41 PM
If Schaub is the starter at the beginning of the season, I'll be eating a ton of it, since I don't think he'll be ready in time.

All these "reports" that his rehab is progressing well enough to do that . . . I want to see the sources.

This injury has been difficult for players to come back from, but I don't recall a quarterback suffering this injury... When players like Duce Staley and Warrick Dunn struggle to regain form as running backs, that is one thing. I'm having a hard time understanding how Schaub can't return to what he was doing last season. After all, he played the 3rd quarter with the foot broken. It isn't as if he has to make cuts at full speed. He only needs to be able to take his drops and make his throws. If the surgeon did his job, I think he'll be fine.

Goatcheese
02-15-2012, 01:42 PM
While I'm in here, I'd like to say that Josh Innes is a moron.

If Dwight Howard came out tommorow and said he is definitely interested in a possible trade to Houston, would Innes blast him for poor wording?

Ofcourse not. The sentence is fine as is. Innes' mental handicap and inability to comprehend basic English is creating the problem.

GP
02-15-2012, 01:49 PM
Yates is the #2 QB. If Schaub isn't ready by the start of the season Yates will be #1 and Kubiak will bring back Delhomme or some other vet to back him up like last season if Lienhart is released or signs elsewhere.

This is pretty much a moot point because everything I've heard is that Schaub will be ready by the start of training camp.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/17262188

It will be interesting to see the amount of crow being served when Schaub is our starter in 2012 and Yates is his backup.

As much as folks like to believe that they know how Kubiak & Co. think, often they are just confused by the voices in their own heads.

Yes, because we all know how reliable the reports are when it comes to predicting when ___________ (insert name of Texans player) will be back.

What are they going to say? "We 'hope' he is back," or "Well, we 'think' he will be ahead of schedule." Also: If I'm Matt Schaub, damn straight I'd be saying I'm ahead of schedule, And I'd lie if my foot hurt like hell, too...I'd fake it and act like I'm ready to go. Because I know the window is closing and the Texans are near the chance at a Super Bowl. The guy is driven. I don't doubt his work ethic. But I put ZERO stock in what he, his agent, or even a member of the Texans medical/training staff is saying right now. It's P.R., plain and simple.

Get me to when it counts, then let's talk about his rehab progress. Why give credence to Schaub's own status report in February when he's still supposed to be off the damn thing. Right? Isn't it 6 to 8 months NON-WEIGHT BEARING right now? I might be wrong, correct if I am...but I thought CnD said you have to be non-weight bearing, i.e. foot in the air and no weight put upon that foot, for 6 to 8 months after the surgery. When was the surgery? December'ish, right? We're roughly three months into a 6 to 8 month non-weight bearing period of time, and his rehab is "ahead of schedule?"

I take this to mean, "There have been no setbacks" because he can't put weight on it. He can't test it. The real challenge is when he can finally stand on the leg and start building strength in ALL of the leg muscles that are atrophied because of the leg not being used. Marcus has detailed this, over and over, and yet it keeps getting marginalized. We have a guy who had this VERY same thing happen to him, he's been through hell with it, he's been gracious enough to post on here the obstacles and natural challenges any normal person will go through when trying to recover form this...and we've got CnD on here saying very realistic (but not comforting) things about the injury....yet Matt Schaub says his recovery is ahead of schedule and now, apparently, there will be some crow to be eaten when Schaub Kirk Gibson's his way out of the huddle and out to the line of scrimmage for OTAs or training camp??? LOL.

I think I know which source(s) to believe, unless Matt Schaub is not a mortal man or something.

Goatcheese
02-15-2012, 01:55 PM
No offense to CnD, but diagnosing a player with 3rd and 4th hand information is impossible.

Schaub is basing what he's saying on what his doctors are telling him. You know, those guys who actually treat him directly and monitor his recovery with full access to the player and his test/scan results.

J_R
02-15-2012, 02:02 PM
Yeah, Bob Allen is angry. The hell with you Josh Innes! On 1560(last night I think).

"I was told Peyton wants a team that can win right away because his clock is ticking."

"I talked to someone in the Texans FO this morning. Chances are slim that this would happen. The fact he is interested though is worth mentioning."

"One side would have to adapt."

"I think Mario will be a FA. Don't think they can afford him. Not to take anything away from Mario, but Reed did a hell of a job. Think they'll get Arian and Chris signed. The money not used on Mario I think they can use on a quality receiver. Next is corner.

http://www.1560thegame.com/audio/bob-allen-talks-about-his-report-that-peyton-manning-may-be-interested-in-the-texans-3496/

GP
02-15-2012, 02:07 PM
This injury has been difficult for players to come back from, but I don't recall a quarterback suffering this injury... When players like Duce Staley and Warrick Dunn struggle to regain form as running backs, that is one thing. I'm having a hard time understanding how Schaub can't return to what he was doing last season. After all, he played the 3rd quarter with the foot broken. It isn't as if he has to make cuts at full speed. He only needs to be able to take his drops and make his throws. If the surgeon did his job, I think he'll be fine.

IIRC, Brady Quin did but it was not EXACTLY like Schaub's.

I will do some research, but I think it was on Brady's non-plant foot, and I think the severity of Brady's injury to that area was not as extreme as Matt's injury.

It was discussed in a thread wayyyy long ago, though, so maybe I don't recall everything 100%.

Any player who has to make quick cuts/lateral moves, such as a RB or WR or defensive back, etc., has not been able to return and remain in the NFL.

From the link Lisfranc injuries: How it affects NFL players (http://health.ezinemark.com/lisfranc-injury-ends-nfl-season-potentially-7d3246cd332a.html):

Matt Schaub of the NFL's Houston Texans sustained a midfoot sprain to the right foot, notably called a "Lisfranc" injury in last week's game. This is considered a "significant injury" which has the potential to end his season in 2011.

Why is that?

Most players require lateral movement and the ability to jump and stop suddenly after sprinting. These are all functions that the midfoot complex will play a significant role in accomplishing. The injury itself is a complicated one, with numerous variations that each of these has a significant prognosis in long term function.

This injury may have a pure ligamentous tear, or even a fracture component with the ligament tear. With this, some orthopedic literature has condoned the possibility that with regards to athletes, surgery may be indicated in more cases to realign the foot and promote more stability long term.

The article says if surgery and screws are used, they don't come out for around 12 weeks (3 months) and definitely not before a doctor allows the patient to put weight on the foot. So, 3 months to 6 months (CnD said 6 to 8 months is a safer bet for this type of issue), depending on the physician's analysis of the patient, is what we're looking at for non-weight bearing. Obviously, physicians are going to treat each patient differently based on multiple factors that change fluidly as the rehab progresses.

Brady Quinn's Lisfranc injnury was, according to various reports, not as serious as Schaub's. He had a minor issue with his Lisfranc back in December of 2009 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/324316-brady-quinn-with-lisfranc-foot-injury-to-see-n-carolina-specialist), and visited a specialist. Browns Team President, Mike Holmgren, in January 2010 said:

“I met with our training staff today,” said Holmgren. “I don’t believe he’s going to need surgery. He needs some time, clearly. As far as the specifics of the injury, we can talk a little about that tomorrow. Lisfranc, that’s the first thought, yeah.”

Also, a link to this article (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/11/15/2562639/matt-schaub-injury-lisfranc-houston-texans)about Lisfranc and NFL players:

The greatest concerns following treatment of a Lisfranc injury are whether the patient can regain his pre-injury mobility and, over time, whether arthritis of the joint may occur. [B]Perhaps the most prominent NFL player to suffer a Lisfranc injury in recent years was former Eagles and Steelers' RB Duce Staley, who never quite returned to his previous level of play afterwards, proving just how difficult it is to regain full mobility of the foot.

All I'm doing here is saying that the recovery and FULL return to the field of play for an NFL player who has suffered this sort of injury, to the extent Matt Schaub has (needing screws to hold it together, just like Marcus--of this message board--has had to do, himself) is not encouraging for us.

Propers to Matt Schaub for working his ass off, obviously, and much luck to him and all that jazz...because he is our best shot with what we have at QB right now...but I won't be washing up for my dinner of crow just yet. TJ Yates is TJ Yates. Right now, he'll be the QB1 in OTAs and camp, IMO.

GP
02-15-2012, 02:15 PM
No offense to CnD, but diagnosing a player with 3rd and 4th hand information is impossible.

Schaub is basing what he's saying on what his doctors are telling him. You know, those guys who actually treat him directly and monitor his recovery with full access to the player and his test/scan results.

He's been right a helluva' lot more than he's been wrong. For years now, btw.

Every time a Texans staff person would say "Player X is progressing well, probably be back on Y Date to make his return to the field..." CnD has been on here saying that's rubbish and has explained why.

Not saying he is 100% right all the time, but the guy has a track record of nailing the Texans' reports to the wall and doing a full autopsy of "the cause of death" to the flimsy injury report put forth by Texans staff.

I agree that CnD is not privy to what Schaub's status is. But we're also not getting the full details of what Schaub's physician is truly thinking/saying, either, which we shouldn't be privy to that (for many, many reasons!).

Therefore, I turn back to the historic long-term success rates of players in the NFL who have suffered a Lisfranc injury to the degree/severity that Matt Schaub has sustained...the numbers are not comforting.

But all things are possible. So it's purely wait-and-see mode for us as fans. Odds are better that Yates is QB1 in OTAs and camp, not Schaub, IMO.

ChampionTexan
02-15-2012, 02:16 PM
How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.

I don't dismiss the possibility, but if Schaub isnt going to be ready for the season opener, two names I wouldn't be surprised to see resurface are Sage Rosenfels, and David Garrard. Both are currently available, and both were discussed as potential additions to the roster after Leinart went down.

During the 2011 season wasn't the time to add either one of these guys, but if they've recovered physically, and get an off-season to learn/re-learn the Texans system, I think it's possible either one of those guys could spend 2012 on the Texans roster. If that's the case, I could see either one of them beating out Yates for opening day starter if Schaub wasn't able to go. I also see Leinart sticking around as a real possibility if the Texans are genuinely concerned about Schaub's availability, and I believe if that's the case, there will be a true competition between he and Yates.

Right now, the Texans and Schaub are putting out the story that Schaub will be ready. While I don't believe it just because they say so, I don't put much stock in MB posters (even physicians) regarding an injury they have zero first hand knowledge of. I think what the Texans do in regard to extending or not extending Schaub early, along with seeing what they do about the 3rd QB slot will say far more about Schaub's health than anything or anyone has said so far.

GP
02-15-2012, 02:19 PM
I don't dismiss the possibility, but if Schaub isnt going to be ready for the season opener, two names I wouldn't be surprised to see resurface are Sage Rosenfels, and David Garrard. Both are currently available, and both were discussed as potential additions to the roster after Leinart went down.

During the 2011 season wasn't the time to add either one of these guys, but if they've recovered physically, and get an off-season to learn/re-learn the Texans system, I think it's possible either one of those guys could spend 2012 on the Texans roster. If that's the case, I could see either one of them beating out Yates for opening day starter if Matt wasn't able to go. I also see Leinart sticking around as a real possibility if the Texans are genuinely concerned about Schaub's availability, and I believe if that's the case, there will be a genuine competition between he and Yates.

Right now, the Texans and Schaub are putting out the story that Schaub will be ready. While I don't believe it just because they say so, I don't put much stock in MB posters (even physicians) opinions regarding an injury they have zero first hand knowledge of. I think what the Texans do in regard to extending or not extending Schaub early, along with seeing what they do about the 3rd QB slot will say far more about Schaub's health than anything or anyone has said so far.

Put stock into the list of NFL players who have suffered the exact same injury (the same "severity" as Schaub) who have come back and failed to remain in the NFL past the 1-year mark of making their return.

Ty Law. Glenn Earl. etc., etc.

Then go back and look at CnD's history of debunking Texans' medical reports, couple that with what Marcus has been through with the exact same injury, and multiply it by the number of players who have not returned AND remained in the NFL. That's the math I am using.

Disclaimer: All things are possible.

Grams
02-15-2012, 03:10 PM
The plot thickens . . . . . .

Manning underwent unknown surgery last yearPosted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 15, 2012, 2:39 PM EST

Getty ImagesIt’s been widely reported that Colts quarterback Peyton Manning has undergone three neck surgeries in the last two years.

Don Banks of SI.com reports the number is actually four.

Manning underwent an unreported surgery last year between his May surgery and his September cervical neck fusion surgery. Banks adds a lot of new details in his extensive and well-reported piece.

More surgery expected: Manning’s neck has potentially developed bone spurs. The Colts believe further surgery is “nearly inevitable,” even if Manning can successfully return to football this year.

Manning pushed to play in December: The “extent and scope” of Manning’s on-field workouts in December initially frustrated former Colts Vice Chairman Bill Polian. Manning wanted to play in the red zone in the season’s final weeks, but the Colts medical staff ruled it out once they took a look at him.

Manning was unable to throw past 20-22 yards at the time.
“He wanted to go on the field and try to dump red-zone passes against Houston,” a league source told Banks. “Even though his neck muscles hadn’t even been strengthened yet. Can you imagine anyone putting him on the field in that situation? Just to throw a string of red-zone passes? But that’s where things were going at that time, and it kind of speaks to the insanity of the situation.”

Chronic problem? The Colts fear Manning’s neck issues have become chronic. It’s hard to argue with four surgeries in under two years, including three in a five month span last year.

There will be plenty of questions regarding why all this information came out now. But the article helps to underscore the serious nature of Manning’s medical problems.

We just hope someone is watching out for Manning’s long-term health, because he’s already tried to play before it was safe once.

badboy
02-15-2012, 03:11 PM
I love making up and deciphering metaphors n junk, but I'm having a hard time seeing where this one fits with what you said...explain...Just because we interview Manning does not mean we have to sign him. Get together over chilidogs & feel each other out.

J_R
02-15-2012, 03:16 PM
Reference to Grams post:

While the decision-making process regarding Peyton Manning's future in Indianapolis continues to unfold, new details about his problematic neck issues and his attempts to deal with them have surfaced.

SI.com has learned from NFL sources that Manning actually underwent a fourth, unreported, medical procedure in the past two years, not three as has been widely known.

While it cannot be determined exactly when the unreported procedure on Manning's neck took place, it was at some point after his May 23 surgery in Chicago to correct a bulging disk, and before his Sept. 9 one-level cervical neck fusion surgery in Marina Del Rey, Calif. The same doctor who operated on Manning's bulging disk in May did a follow-up procedure last summer in Chicago, as a result of the original surgery. Both of those operations came while the NFL and its players were still engaged in their protracted labor fight, with clubs having very limited medical contact with injured players. At the time of Manning's September neck operation, that surgery was reported to be his third neck procedure in 19 months. In reality, it was his fourth.

In addition, league sources say Manning's neck has potentially developed bone spurs just above the point where his latest fusion surgery took place in early September, and the Colts organization is under the belief that it is nearly inevitable Manning will at some point require further surgery, and possibly another fusion procedure, even if he does successfully return to the field in 2012. It's unclear how any potential long-term neck issues will impact Manning's decision to attempt a resumption of his NFL playing career later this year.

...

While the new details paint a picture of Manning's health that may be more tenuous than is publicly known, NFL sources told SI.com that the Colts quarterback was strenuously trying to show team officials and coaches that he was capable of playing in the final two weeks of the regular season, but specifically in red zone situations, where his limited arm strength would be less of a liability.

Manning was targeting the Colts' Week 16 home finale against Houston for his return, league sources said, even taking part in an organized and fully-scripted 30-play practice session in the week leading up to Indy's Week 15 home game against Tennessee. In that workout, Manning performed in front of Colts team president Bill Polian, head coach Jim Caldwell and offensive coordinator Clyde Christensen, who was on hand to call plays.

While one league source said Manning was clearly angling to play against Houston, another league source said the issue quickly became moot after the Manning-led workout, because Colts team physician Hank Feuer quickly ruled out clearing Manning for any on-field action.

Feuer said Manning's neck muscles at that time were still atrophied from his long period of inactivity following the September surgery, and he had yet to recover his full range of motion in the area. It short-circuited any possibility Manning had of getting back on the field before the 2011 season ended, with him at one point hopeful he could show the team he was capable of running its red-zone offense against the Texans and possibly the following week at Jacksonville, league sources said.

Sources who were on hand for the practice say that while Manning was accurate with his passes, he threw nothing longer than 20-22 yards, and his passes wobbled at times, with perhaps 80 percent of his usual velocity. Manning also seemed to be visibly fatigued at times during the workout, sources said, which further convinced Caldwell and others that it would be unwise to risk further injury to their franchise quarterback with a cameo appearance against Houston or Jacksonville.

"He wanted to go on the field and try to dump red-zone passes against Houston,'' a league source said. "Even though his neck muscles hadn't even been strengthened yet. Can you imagine anyone putting him on the field in that situation? Just to throw a string of red-zone passes? But that's where things were going at that time, and it kind of speaks to the insanity of the situation.''

All four of Manning's recent surgeries or medical procedures have been on the right side of his neck, league sources said. The team is concerned that Manning's neck injuries have reached the chronic stage, and that there could be a genetic aspect to his condition. Manning's older brother, Cooper, 38, had his college football career ended before it began when he was diagnosed with spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spinal canal that required surgery to relieve pressure on the spinal cord. In Peyton Manning's case, any evidence of stenosis is thought to be on the moderate side, league sources said, but the likelihood of further complications increase with each new surgery he undergoes.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/02/15/peyton/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp

Double Barrel
02-15-2012, 03:41 PM
Yes, because we all know how reliable the reports are when it comes to predicting when ___________ (insert name of Texans player) will be back.

Standard protocol for 32 NFL teams.

That being said, why do you trust what Manning says or reports about him?

If Schaub is not ready to start in September, I do not think it prudent to put all the eggs in a basket of a player who has had 3-4 neck surgeries in two years and has been as vague as it gets with regards to his status.

Manning was not honest with the Colts last off-season or during training camp. They were blind-sided by his obtuse arrogant nature. This is not something I think we should depend on for our 2012 season.

Besides, the last time he played was December 2010. A year off, multiple neck surgeries, inability to even toss a ball around, huge salary, and 36 years old do not add up to anything positive for this franchise.

It's a cute story in an off-season rumor sort of way, but I would honestly be shocked if the Texans FO was stupid enough to fall for it.

Rey
02-15-2012, 03:58 PM
I had a dream peyton went to the jags and had a good year and we ran out a gimpy matt schaub and he struggled. I hope like hell that doesn't happen. I hope peyton retires and if schaub can't go tj is ready.

Marcus
02-15-2012, 04:37 PM
Link (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1067526-peyton-manning-owes-colts-nothing-should-be-offended-by-re-negotiation-plea)

There were yet more salvos fired by all sides Wednesday regarding the health and status of Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning.

First, Don Banks of Sports Illustrated reported that the four-time Most Valuable Player may have undergone an unknown (until today) fourth operation on his troublesome neck, casting yet more doubt on the 14-year veteran's health.

Then, the Indianapolis Star published an interview with Colts owner Jim Irsay that outlined how Irsay believes that Manning could return to the fold with the team.

"We can make it work if he wants to be here. We'd be excited to have him back and finish his career with us.

"I want him to be able to make the choice. We would love to have him back here if he can get healthy and we can look at doing a contract that reflects the uncertainty of the . . . healing process with the regeneration of the nerve.''

In other words, rework your five-year, $90 million contract, especially the $28 million roster bonus March 8th, or get shown the door, at which point "we" (the Colts) can blame your greed for having to part ways with the player that made football actually mean something in Indy.

Manning's health aside, what possible reason could he have for doing this?

The only possible motivator that makes any sense were if Manning himself feared that he would no longer be able to play, and wished to avoid losing face with Colts fans more than he already has since the increasingly public spat between Manning and Irsay (you know, the one they're not having) which began with Manning's very candid interview with the Star on January 24.

Were a potential retirement announcement looming, then that's reasonable.

However, Manning's given zero indication that's the case, stating over and over his intent to play again.

It's also worth noting that when Manning signed the contract a year ago, the prevailing opinion was that it was team-friendly, so the Colts seemingly not only want to have their cake and eat it too, but now Irsay wants the candles back as well.

Once again, what possible reason could Manning have for doing this?

None.

There are definitely winds of change blowing in Indianapolis, and from the looks of things Peyton Manning may not care for the direction that wind is coming from, so it appears that he's going to spread his wings, tilt his forehead to the sky and let them carry him right out the door.

I think that Manning is pissed that he can't go out on his own terms.

Bulls on Parade
02-15-2012, 04:50 PM
I'll say this much, if T.J. Yates is the starting quarterback once the 2012 regular season starts then my high expectations for this team would go way down. From a Super Bowl contender to another divisional round exit in the playoffs at best. That's too important of a position. I like Yates a lot but I don't believe this team can go all the way with him starting. He reminds me a lot of Jason Garrett when he played for the Dallas Cowboys. A good guy to fall back on when needed but not the guy who's going to get you a Lombardi trophy with his arm.

badboy
02-15-2012, 04:53 PM
You might see Yates start 4-5 games as Matt continues to heal.

Bulls on Parade
02-15-2012, 05:00 PM
You might see Yates start 4-5 games as Matt continues to heal.
That wouldn't be good enough to me. Our schedule is going to be a tough one. A lot depends how difficult it will be early in the season. Mind you, Yates couldn't even beat the Panthers or Colts this past season, two defenses which you would think he'd have the most success against. It really worries me how bad he'll be if other NFL teams actually have time to game plan for him. They've got more film to work with now. I don't feel Yates is ready. It would be wise for the Texans to bring in somebody else because I don't feel Matt Leinart is the answer either.

badboy
02-15-2012, 05:02 PM
That wouldn't be good enough to me. Our schedule is going to be a tough one. A lot depends how difficult it will be early in the season. Mind you, Yates couldn't even beat the Panthers or Colts this past season, two defenses which you would think he'd have the most success against. It really worries me how bad he'll be if other NFL teams actually have time to game plan for him. They've got more film to work with now. I don't feel Yates is ready. It would be wise for the Texans to bring in somebody else because I don't feel Matt Leinart is the answer either.You are crrect in your assesment but do not expect to see anyone higher than a 5th round brought into camp.

HouSportsWriter
02-15-2012, 05:12 PM
Suprised this is not a sticky... lol

:toropalm:

thunderkyss
02-15-2012, 05:15 PM
I wonder if the recent struggles with the Colts have been directly related to the persona of Peyton Manning.


I think it would be easy to make the case. Not just because of his playing on the field, but all the way back to the Dungy days, Manning was probably running practice as well as the game. The offensive coaches probably got complacent & let it ride.

Players were used to doing certain things a certain way, because it worked with Manning. Not just which plays were called, but how they practiced, worked out, studied, etc... Reggie Wayne, Collie, Garson, probably didn't have to study much film, Peyton would say, "when my left eye goes like this, you go like that."

Heck, they've had what, 3 (2 I'm sure) first round running backs & several first round linemen, but not one back to back 1000 yard season from any of them since the Edge left.. probably wasn't working on their running game.

Now Peyton gets hurt & all of a sudden the coaches want to act like coaches, telling them where to put their hands, stay awake in meetings, be on time, pay attention? I can see them having trouble.

This is all a figment of my imagination, but I can't think of a better reason to clean house, from the GM to the water boy.

Double Barrel
02-15-2012, 05:23 PM
That wouldn't be good enough to me. Our schedule is going to be a tough one. A lot depends how difficult it will be early in the season. Mind you, Yates couldn't even beat the Panthers or Colts this past season, two defenses which you would think he'd have the most success against. It really worries me how bad he'll be if other NFL teams actually have time to game plan for him. They've got more film to work with now. I don't feel Yates is ready. It would be wise for the Texans to bring in somebody else because I don't feel Matt Leinart is the answer either.

In all fairness, the team lost those games. It is quite common for teams to experience a drop off after winning a big game, and that Bengals game to clinch the first division title in franchise history is as big as it has ever been for the Texans.

In addition, Kubiak was gameplanning to keep his QB safe after that point, so he limited exposure for Yates and did not put him in situations that could get him hurt in the Colts and Panthers games. Besides, it was our DEFENSE that gave up a last minute score to Dan O in Indy. That was not anything on Yates.

Do not forget that a Yates led team beat two playoff teams during the regular season (Falcons and Bengals), as well as won the first playoff game in franchise history. So there is two sides to that coin.

I do not want to see Yates starting the season in September, but I'm not going to go Chicken Little on folks if he is the starter until Schaub is ready.

Bulls on Parade
02-15-2012, 05:31 PM
I like Yates a lot and I see a lot of potential in him but that's two or three years down the road. Right now, this team has a golden opportunity to win a Super Bowl. I'd hate to see management not do all it can to make that happen. I was actually one of the few people who was for signing Brett Favre when Schaub went down last year but unfortunately Rick Smith didn't want to even entertain the thought of that circus coming to town. Who knows how much further in the playoffs we could have gone with an experienced veteran. I also wasn't totally against playing Delhomme or Garcia in the playoffs.

Thank goodness Watt made that interception, huge game changer, right before halftime against the Bengals in the wild-card game. That game had me nervous up until then. Yates did show me some good things during all of his starts (absolutely love his mobility), but he also made a lot of mistakes that a proven veteran wouldn't make. Against the Bengals their defense failed to pounce on some very poor passes -- even dropping a sure fire pick six the other way. His game against the Ravens did not surprise me one bit.

Rey
02-15-2012, 05:33 PM
Go back and look at the colts game. Tj was not bad in that game. Also, tj was a rookie thrown into the fire. I'm not sure why we wouldn't expect him to show some improvement heading into this season. I'll say this much, if T.J. Yates is the starting quarterback once the 2012 regular season starts then my high expectations for this team would go way down. From a Super Bowl contender to another divisional round exit in the playoffs at best. That's too important of a position. I like Yates a lot but I don't believe this team can go all the way with him starting. He reminds me a lot of Jason Garrett when he played for the Dallas Cowboys. A good guy to fall back on when needed but not the guy who's going to get you a Lombardi trophy with his arm.

Bulls on Parade
02-15-2012, 05:42 PM
Go back and look at the colts game. Tj was not bad in that game. Also, tj was a rookie thrown into the fire. I'm not sure why we wouldn't expect him to show some improvement heading into this season.
Not blaming Yates for any of the losses at all. In fact, the Texans are 0-11 all-time at Indianapolis and Andre Johnson was out for that game so that's not even the point. My point is that I don't think he's ready to be the primary backup quarterback, much less the starting quarterback. Maybe in another two or three years he will be ready to do big things.

He isn't going to lead a team to a Super Bowl anytime soon and right now the Texans have a Super Bowl contender. I don't want to see this team throwing away a great opportunity. There's a two or three-window right now to take over the AFC because the rest of the conference is down. Tom Brady is aging, Ray Lewis is aging, the Jets and Steelers seem more beatable than in previous years.

They're capable of being the best team in the AFC in 2012 but only if they have a proven quarterback that is healthy. Matt Schaub can be that guy. We will see. I really do hope he is ready to play or else I want to see management making an effort to go after somebody else.

thunderkyss
02-15-2012, 06:01 PM
My opinion is that if the Texans know that Schaub wont be back at the start of the season they will look to get someone else to start instead of falling back on Yates again. I assure you my opinion isnt far fetched

We've still got Leinart.

If Matt is healthy & ready to go week 1, he'll be the starter. However, if it looks like he may not, we'll hold on to Leinart & he'll start.

I know most people don't like the check down game in Jacksonville, but he probably graded pretty well for Kubiak. He took care of the ball & went down field when the opportunity was there.

He's bought & payed for, understands the system & Kubiak knows what to expect from him on & off the field, in & out of the locker room.

thunderkyss
02-15-2012, 06:11 PM
I had a dream peyton went to the jags and had a good year and we ran out a gimpy matt schaub and he struggled. I hope like hell that doesn't happen. I hope peyton retires and if schaub can't go tj is ready.

I had a dream that Alicia Keys was my concubine.
http://www.picgifs.com/celebrities/a/alicia-keys/celebrities-alicia-keys-098420.jpg
Just like your dream, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to change the way we do business because of it.

ObsiWan
02-15-2012, 06:29 PM
http://i.minus.com/ib17KgVyL7A2YD.gif

Even on this scooter, Schaub would still be able to roll out faster than Manning
:D

mussop
02-15-2012, 09:55 PM
How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.

If Yates is our starter next year we will be attached to another plane, wrapped helically around an axis. I swear you are letting all the Yates hype get to into your head.

Marcus
02-15-2012, 09:59 PM
You are crrect in your assesment but do not expect to see anyone higher than a 5th round brought into camp.

I expect them to draft one much higher.

I've said this before, but if Smith and Kubiak are smart, they can hope that Schaub returns to full form, but they need to plan as if he never will, and draft accordingly.

GP
02-15-2012, 10:08 PM
Standard protocol for 32 NFL teams.

That being said, why do you trust what Manning says or reports about him?

If Schaub is not ready to start in September, I do not think it prudent to put all the eggs in a basket of a player who has had 3-4 neck surgeries in two years and has been as vague as it gets with regards to his status.

Manning was not honest with the Colts last off-season or during training camp. They were blind-sided by his obtuse arrogant nature. This is not something I think we should depend on for our 2012 season.

Besides, the last time he played was December 2010. A year off, multiple neck surgeries, inability to even toss a ball around, huge salary, and 36 years old do not add up to anything positive for this franchise.

It's a cute story in an off-season rumor sort of way, but I would honestly be shocked if the Texans FO was stupid enough to fall for it.

My stance is not that we should get Manning. I played devil's advocate early on in this discussion, in another thread, actually, but I have not said "We ought to get Manning in here, or at least try to." Not sure if that's where you were headed with the reply or not, but we both agree on this.

My stance is that BOTH those guys are likely fighting their own version of a losing or extremely "up hill" battle for 2012.

Yates is the safer bet here. He's not awesome, he's not a clear-cut winner every time he takes the field, but he's healthy and Schaub isn't. And I don't think Schaub returns in time to take the helm...not with the degree of severity of his particular Lisfranc injury. I'm not his doctor, but neither are any of you guys either. What I'm going on is the severity of his particular injury coupled with what that has historically looked like for other players in the NFL who tried to come back from it.

If he recovers fully AND doesn't lose the edge he had previously, then he's likely either the luckiest man alive, blessed by God, or getting and using supplement advice from certain players.

Marcus is right on two accounts here: (1) The Lisfranc injury is worse than people want to imagine, and (2) People are letting the divisional round failures of Yates get to their heads too much.

All I care is that Schaub is not rushed back hastily, which might cause more harm than good.

GP
02-15-2012, 10:20 PM
We've still got Leinart.

If Matt is healthy & ready to go week 1, he'll be the starter. However, if it looks like he may not, we'll hold on to Leinart & he'll start.

I know most people don't like the check down game in Jacksonville, but he probably graded pretty well for Kubiak. He took care of the ball & went down field when the opportunity was there.

He's bought & payed for, understands the system & Kubiak knows what to expect from him on & off the field, in & out of the locker room.

Matt Leinart??? You, again, are trying to see more than what's there.

Footwork is sloppy (which he said he had been "working" on that), his own slowness getting back to his last drop back was what caused him to get drilled into the turf (he's had that clavicle broken twice now, TK). And his lack of vision, coupled with his sloppy footwork and slow drop backs, is a nightmare.

He lobbed up a pass that we still cannot decide if it was truly intended for Dreessen or not, in that Jax game on the road. But Dressen snagged it and it gave us the eventual winning points. Yates came out like a fireball and then Kubiak realized, "Holy crap! I almost forgot we have NO other QB activated today. Dammit, get that guy handing the ball off or throwing the pass to the RB immediately, please." Yeah, I think the Leinart era is over for sure, TK.

Yates, though not perfect either, has these things to consider:

1. Had no off-season between draft and camp, due to lockout.

2. Worked the scout team, which meant he ran all the opponent's plays, and not our own, every week while Schaub and Leinart got reps with the ones.

3. Was pushed into the Jax game on a moment's notice and promptly led the team VERTICALLY down the field before being handcuffed due to Owen Daniels being the next QB if Yates went down.

4. Clinched the AFC South title and our first ever playoff appearance by zipping a perfect spiral to Kevin Walter on what was likely the last play of the Bengals game, on the road.

5. Played decently in the first playoff game and had a rough time on the road vs. the Baltimore Ed Reeds.

So....you're saying that after all that transpired here...Leinart will be the starter over Yates if Schaub is not ready to go? I'd like to propose a friendly wager. An avatar bet.The usual rules: Whoever loses has to wear the avatar chosen by the winner, for one week after the bet is resolved.

GP
02-15-2012, 10:27 PM
I think it would be easy to make the case. Not just because of his playing on the field, but all the way back to the Dungy days, Manning was probably running practice as well as the game. The offensive coaches probably got complacent & let it ride.

Players were used to doing certain things a certain way, because it worked with Manning. Not just which plays were called, but how they practiced, worked out, studied, etc... Reggie Wayne, Collie, Garson, probably didn't have to study much film, Peyton would say, "when my left eye goes like this, you go like that."

Heck, they've had what, 3 (2 I'm sure) first round running backs & several first round linemen, but not one back to back 1000 yard season from any of them since the Edge left.. probably wasn't working on their running game.

Now Peyton gets hurt & all of a sudden the coaches want to act like coaches, telling them where to put their hands, stay awake in meetings, be on time, pay attention? I can see them having trouble.

This is all a figment of my imagination, but I can't think of a better reason to clean house, from the GM to the water boy.

That's a pretty good rundown of it. I think this is much like when the star of a high school football team goes absent...the star player's team is suddenly not as good as they were before.

And that's when fear grips that team, and the opponents play way above their own heads because they know they NOW can beat that team...and beat the SNOT out of them while they're at it.

Which is why I think Manning is screwed no matter which team he goes to. It sounds like he has trouble throwing passes over 20-yards deep, he's had MORE surgeries than was initially broadcast to the world, and he's headed into a situation in 2012 where opponents will not fear his ability to throw deep.

Take away the deep pass, and a QB is going to get blitzed or heavily rushed all day long. Everything goes shallow, and LBs and CBs can just play shallow and tee off on the WRs and TEs, etc.

Manning needs to realize there is a bright career in TV broadcasting.

mussop
02-15-2012, 10:38 PM
I expect them to draft one much higher.

I've said this before, but if Smith and Kubiak are smart, they can hope that Schaub returns to full form, but they need to plan as if he never will, and draft accordingly.

Even if Schaub does comeback next year, how much slower will he be? I mean Bajeebus an old retired Dan Marino could beat him in a foot race before the surgery. And how is it going to effect him in the future? He is a FA next year and he's on the wrong side of 30 already with a long history of injuries.

Yates is okay but what if Schaub goes down again? Yates steps up and who backs him up? What if Yates can't handle the pressure? Lots of backups come in and look good at first, then teams get film of them and they are never heard of again. Frank Reich anyone?

This isn't a lets sign Manning post but its funny how some people say Manning couldn't run this offense because of the play action rollout. Well how is Matt Schaub going to run it with a bum foot?

I know this sounds crazy but we should be looking at franchising Mario and trading him along with whatever draft picks it takes to move up and take RG111. Why risk having to rely on an older often injured Schaub or a second year project like Yates when we have all this excellent young talent? Lets get our franchise QB of the future right now. Let him learn behind Schaub for a year. If Schaub goes down oh well throw RG 111 into the fire. If not you have a whole year to see if Schaub can stay healthy and lead this team to the promise land.

ObsiWan
02-15-2012, 11:23 PM
Even if Schaub does comeback next year, how much slower will he be? I mean Bajeebus an old retired Dan Marino could beat him in a foot race before the surgery. And how is it going to effect him in the future? He is a FA next year and he's on the wrong side of 30 already with a long history of injuries.

Yates is okay but what if Schaub goes down again? Yates steps up and who backs him up? What if Yates can't handle the pressure? Lots of backups come in and look good at first, then teams get film of them and they are never heard of again. Frank Reich anyone?

This isn't a lets sign Manning post but its funny how some people say Manning couldn't run this offense because of the play action rollout. Well how is Matt Schaub going to run it with a bum foot?

I know this sounds crazy but we should be looking at franchising Mario and trading him along with whatever draft picks it takes to move up and take RG111. Why risk having to rely on an older often injured Schaub or a second year project like Yates when we have all this excellent young talent? Lets get our franchise QB of the future right now. Let him learn behind Schaub for a year. If Schaub goes down oh well throw RG 111 into the fire. If not you have a whole year to see if Schaub can stay healthy and lead this team to the promise land.

If Schaub cannot do what is asked of him, and we should know that by the end of OTAs, then he goes on the PUP list. As much as most of us don't like it, if that scenario plays out then Leinart will be #1 on the depth chart. Yates will be #2. And don't be shocked if we bring Delhomme back.

As tantalizing as RGIII might look in a Texans uni, I don't see us paying the premium price it would take to move up to get him. ...especially if we're in a bidding war with Washington. We'd be essentially mortgaging this draft for a backup. That doesn't seem like smart business; especially if we need those early round picks to draft a #2 WR and/or snag a pass rusher to replace Mario in Wade's OLB rotation. I, for one, DO NOT, want to weaken our newly rebuilt defense or fail to upgrade our one offensive weak spot, #2 WR, for a guy (as good as he looks for the future) that will hold a clipboard for the next year or two. Surely there's a promising Schaub understudy in round 3 or later.

Finally, I don't trust Manning. If he can't be totally straight - about his health - with the folks who have been paying him all these years, why the helll would he be straight with us? Yeah, we could send him thru a battery of performance checks but we've been burnt by those before (see Tony Boselli).

Marcus
02-15-2012, 11:24 PM
Even if Schaub does comeback next year, how much slower will he be? I mean Bajeebus an old retired Dan Marino could beat him in a foot race before the surgery.

You need to remember that Schaub's injured foot is his plant foot. Mobility doesn't concern me. His ability to accurately throw the ball from pushing off on that plant foot does.

Case in point . . Ben Rothlesberger. Look how much his passing accuracy was affected gimping on that ankle all season.

Individual foot balance (the ability to stand on one foot without falling) is the last thing that comes back from a LisFranc injury. Now, I'm "assuming" his injury wasn't as severe as mine, but I do know that he had internal fixation (plates and screws) to stabilize it. He'll, at some time, need to have that hardware removed, in order to even attempt to restore full range of motion. If he had fusions done (to head off future degenerative arthritis) he'll never get it back.

I hope Schaub does what he says he's going to to do ... make it back in time for training camp. Nothing would make me happier. I'll just need to see it to believe it.

kingh99
02-15-2012, 11:55 PM
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kingh99
02-15-2012, 11:58 PM
Manning is not an option here. Notice his head coaches were either defensive specialists (Tony Dungy and Jim Mora) or a soap carving wearing a headset (Jim Caldwell). Kubiak runs the offense. No way he would give up offensive control to Manning, which is obviously what Manning requires.

rush2112mn
02-16-2012, 12:05 AM
Yeah....great report Bob Allen......
Think Bob is already thinking about his retirement.....
"Definetly, Possibly".......yeah....thats hilarious Bob.....great wordage there.....
And he admitted he screwed up the report......

I think he just wanted to get some ratings......well he did.....and useless sports talk too.....good job Bob.....