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beerlover
02-12-2012, 11:41 AM
1. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
3. Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
4. Matt Kalil OT Southern Cal
5. Trent Richardson RB Alabama
6. Morris Claiborne CB LSU
7. Quentin Coples DE North Carolina
8. Riley Reiff OT Iowa
9. David DeCastro OG Stanford
10. Kendall Wright WR Baylor
11. Michael Brockers DT LSU
12. Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
13. Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
14. Nick Perry DE Southern Cal
15. Luke Kuechly LB Boston College
16. Melvin Ingram DE/OLB South Carolina
17. Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
18. Devon Still DT Penn State
19. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
20. Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
21. Mike Adams OT Ohio State
22. Cordy Glenn OG/OT Georgia
23. Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State
24. Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
25. Nick Foles QB Arizona
26. Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama
27. Peter Konz OC Wisconsin
28. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State
29. Lamar Miller RB Miami(FL)
30. Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona State
31. Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
32. Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois

"HOT" off the press from me to you, enjoy :)

gary
02-12-2012, 12:08 PM
You should print out this list as the draft approaches and then check their names off while you watch the draft to see many you get right if you do not already do that by now anyway maybe you do.

thunderkyss
02-12-2012, 12:35 PM
You should print out this list as the draft approaches and then check their names off while you watch the draft to see many you get right if you do not already do that by now anyway maybe you do.

Just because another team grabs another guy doesn't mean he was a better player... i.e. I don't think the order players get drafted can be used to see how many he got "right"

This is a little different than a mock.

Though they say they draft BPA, it's always with needs in mind. Even if St Louis had the #1 pick, there's no way they'll draft Luck or RGIII. That does not mean they are not the best football players in this draft.

If, however, St. Louis drafts Michael Floyd instead of Blackmon, they are saying they believe Floyd is better for their system.... ala Heyward-Bey over Crabtree or Maclin. "We" felt Crabtree & Maclin were the better WRs before the draft, after the draft, & 3 seasons later. Heyward-Bey getting drafted first does not make him a better WR than Crabtree or Maclin, (or Harvin, Nicks, or Brit)

However, if I were to make a list such as this, I would track who comes off & when. Then when my Texans are on the clock I'd take stock of who dropped & compare my "thinking" with the FO, just to see if we're on the same page.

thunderkyss
02-12-2012, 12:39 PM
"HOT" off the press from me to you, enjoy :)

Out of curiosity, I know this is your best 32, how much did the opinions of rmartin & bb affect where you rank these guys? Did you take into account any of the "known" sportswriters' opinions? Kiper, Brooks?

Will you & the others put out your "Mock Texans' big board?"

How deep is your "real" list?

beerlover
02-12-2012, 02:26 PM
Just because another team grabs another guy doesn't mean he was a better player... i.e. I don't think the order players get drafted can be used to see how many he got "right"

This is a little different than a mock.

Though they say they draft BPA, it's always with needs in mind. Even if St Louis had the #1 pick, there's no way they'll draft Luck or RGIII. That does not mean they are not the best football players in this draft.

If, however, St. Louis drafts Michael Floyd instead of Blackmon, they are saying they believe Floyd is better for their system.... ala Heyward-Bey over Crabtree or Maclin. "We" felt Crabtree & Maclin were the better WRs before the draft, after the draft, & 3 seasons later. Heyward-Bey getting drafted first does not make him a better WR than Crabtree or Maclin, (or Harvin, Nicks, or Brit)

However, if I were to make a list such as this, I would track who comes off & when. Then when my Texans are on the clock I'd take stock of who dropped & compare my "thinking" with the FO, just to see if we're on the same page.

yep, plus it's still early. slipped some QB's in it at the end because it's a position which gets picked earlier than grade might suggest so these are the guys who I would lay money on to be successful early on, hence worth the risk. It's a grey area end of first round anyway, most don't carry first round grades or teams draft, like you say, for need over BPA so you can usually find plus value here, meaning you don't have to suck to add a starter even late in round one which I'm hopeful Texans can accomplish.

beerlover
02-12-2012, 02:56 PM
Out of curiosity, I know this is your best 32, how much did the opinions of rmartin & bb affect where you rank these guys? Did you take into account any of the "known" sportswriters' opinions? Kiper, Brooks?

Will you & the others put out your "Mock Texans' big board?"

How deep is your "real" list?

of course they carry weight. however in the end it's on me to make who I feel is the best talent available. maybe if I subscribed to ESPN Scout or whatever it's called, Kiper & McShay opinions would also carry some weight, but I don't. Instead I try to base opinion on my own work, watching actual game tape, practices, interviews that kind of thing. Notice I don't have Dontari Poe included which I see a lot in mock drafts & big boards, I tried too but couldn't catch a Memphis game or recorded film of him performing. Doesn't mean he's not worthy of a top 32 grade, just that I haven't seen it.

Draft guys I respect include Maycock, Lomardi, Nolan Nawrocki, of course both LZ & John Harris of The Sideline. For example here is their write-up on Kendall Wright, now a sure trade up option if Texans target him. As with other receivers that come from a spread option, Wright could use work sharpening his routes and might have issues separating from defensive backs initially at the next level. Still, many draft analysts consider him to be a late first, possibly early second round range. When he runs at the combine, however, I predict his stock to be solidly in the first because he’ll be faster than any receiver that has a chance to be drafted in the first two rounds. The recent success of receivers such as Mike Wallace, DeSean Jackson and Carolina’s Steve Smith will help the notion that a player of Wright’s size can be an elite talent despite his diminutive size.

My take is focus on his production. Look at his numbers, forget about his return skills. 108 receptions in 2011 alone. 1663 total yards with a 15.40 average per catch. combine those two numbers together & it shows he has both ability to separate & create for plus yardage. Throw in 14 TD's means he can finish plays. Great hands, body control, expect a top 5 shuttle time, vertical should also be outstanding @ the combine, not worried about his forty, knows the route tree & is most pro ready after Blackmon. Which all comes into play in regards to his draft grade assigned.

beerlover
02-12-2012, 06:11 PM
Texan Board would probably look a whole lot different, but for most part if they target WR in first round they MUST trade up to acquire him. One thing I have yet to do is flow out a first round mock, maybe after the combine? My best guess is if Wright were to be on the board past #14 (Cowboys) Rick might start making some phone calls :phone:

badboy
02-12-2012, 06:42 PM
Texan Board would probably look a whole lot different, but for most part if they target WR in first round they MUST trade up to acquire him. One thing I have yet to do is flow out a first round mock, maybe after the combine? My best guess is if Wright were to be on the board past #14 (Cowboys) Rick might start making some phone calls :phone:BL do you project Blackmon, Wright, Floyd and Jeffery will all be selected top 25 or will one of them be #26. As I mentioned in PM I am concerned Wright will go high.

gary
02-12-2012, 07:08 PM
Some players work out and other do not I just thought it would be a little fun. I apologize. I was just looking the order predicted not so much who's draft board is better or is more right.

beerlover
02-12-2012, 07:12 PM
BL do you project Blackmon, Wright, Floyd and Jeffery will all be selected top 25 or will one of them be #26. As I mentioned in PM I am concerned Wright will go high.

Jeffery has best chance of names you mentioned.

beerlover
02-12-2012, 07:14 PM
Some players work out and other do not I just thought it would be a little fun. I apologize.

It's all good, no worries Gary!

badboy
02-12-2012, 07:47 PM
Jeffery has best chance of names you mentioned.yep I see him falling also but not sure I want him.

beerlover
02-12-2012, 08:00 PM
yep I see him falling also but not sure I want him.

He has size & understands how to use it going against double/triple coverages. I would select him #26 then add speedster to stretch defense soon thereafter. He could develop into Texans #1 after AJ career is finished.

aussie_texan
02-12-2012, 08:44 PM
He has size & understands how to use it going against double/triple coverages. I would select him #26 then add speedster to stretch defense soon thereafter. He could develop into Texans #1 after AJ career is finished.

do you guys buy into the rumours about his lack of work ethic?

still praying that floyd falls though and i guess it is possible.
I'm starting to think that wright may not be available to us as he could go in the top 15. And if Sanu has a good combine a team is going to reach for him

badboy
02-12-2012, 08:53 PM
do you guys buy into the rumours about his lack of work ethic?

still praying that floyd falls though and i guess it is possible.
I'm starting to think that wright may not be available to us as he could go in the top 15. And if Sanu has a good combine a team is going to reach for himWright should be fantastic at combine and he should be 2nd WR behind Blackmon. I really like Floyd but his alcohol issues concern me and probably will McNair.

Jeffery has size and as BL said can take on 2-3 defenders and pull ball in. A lot of my opinions are just based on gut. (mine not his) and I just never felt comfortable with him. He should report to combine with a chiseled body and kiss up to every GM interviewing him. He could become an excellent receiver but I'm just leery.

aussie_texan
02-12-2012, 09:06 PM
He could become an excellent receiver but I'm just leery.

yeah i have the same feeling

beerlover
02-12-2012, 09:15 PM
yeah i have the same feeling

Think you guys are thinking Diva which could be the case. However leave it to Andre to turn him around, that whole "work ethic" issue.

aussie_texan
02-12-2012, 09:18 PM
Think you guys are thinking Diva which could be the case. However leave it to Andre to turn him around, that whole "work ethic" issue.

my main concern is that i think his a little one dimensional and for his size he isn't that good of a blocker

beerlover
02-12-2012, 11:53 PM
my main concern is that i think his a little one dimensional and for his size he isn't that good of a blocker

88 receptions, 1517 yards, 17.24 yard average per catch along with 9 TD's his Junior season suggest he has playmaking skills. Change came about because his starting QB Stephen Garcia 6-2 230 a legitimate NFL prospect was suspended http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7088804/south-carolina-gamecocks-dismiss-oft-suspended-stephen-garcia

put Alshon with Luck or RG3 its a different story, all blocking aside.

steelbtexan
02-13-2012, 02:12 AM
After the Combine look for Randle to shoot up the boards.

I think he's going to run in the high 4.4's at 6'2, 220-225

Dutchrudder
02-13-2012, 08:57 AM
Not a lot of pass rushers in your top 32. I'm surprised to see Weedon in there.

beerlover
02-13-2012, 10:58 AM
Not a lot of pass rushers in your top 32. I'm surprised to see Weedon in there.

Has the experience & production for position to be selected somewhere in the first round just have no idea where? #2 in the country yardage per game 363.6 (behind Case Keenum) with passer rating of 159.78. The good thing for him is he impressed scouts in practice Senior Bowl week, was considered the best QB prospect of that group. I like Weeden & Foles over Tannehill as more near term resolutions for NFL teams starved for decent QB play.

tielahr
02-13-2012, 12:04 PM
Texan Board would probably look a whole lot different, but for most part if they target WR in first round they MUST trade up to acquire him. One thing I have yet to do is flow out a first round mock, maybe after the combine? My best guess is if Wright were to be on the board past #14 (Cowboys) Rick might start making some phone calls :phone:

I agree with this 100%. Especially when you have the Browns ahead of us who might take RG3 and could definitely use a matching WR, by the name of Wright, to make their team more competitive.

Dutchrudder
02-13-2012, 12:20 PM
Has the experience & production for position to be selected somewhere in the first round just have no idea where? #2 in the country yardage per game 363.6 (behind Case Keenum) with passer rating of 159.78. The good thing for him is he impressed scouts in practice Senior Bowl week, was considered the best QB prospect of that group. I like Weeden & Foles over Tannehill as more near term resolutions for NFL teams starved for decent QB play.

I gotcha, I like Weedon's talent too, but I can't get over the fact that he's 28 and will be 29 in October. If he's not gonna be starting for at least a year or two, he won't be playing significant time until he's almost 31, and that just seems wasteful to me unless you draft him specifically as a backup. In that case, you might as well get someone younger who can develop into a longer term solution than the guy who is closer to being irrelevant.

beerlover
02-13-2012, 12:34 PM
I gotcha, I like Weedon's talent too, but I can't get over the fact that he's 28 and will be 29 in October. If he's not gonna be starting for at least a year or two, he won't be playing significant time until he's almost 31, and that just seems wasteful to me unless you draft him specifically as a backup. In that case, you might as well get someone younger who can develop into a longer term solution than the guy who is closer to being irrelevant.

I've heard that some teams view his age & maturity as an asset for QB position. That his experience is beneficial, he will be focused, more dedicated to film study, responsibility & accountability towards coaches & teammates.

Dutchrudder
02-13-2012, 12:53 PM
I've heard that some teams view his age & maturity as an asset for QB position. That his experience is beneficial, he will be focused, more dedicated to film study, responsibility & accountability towards coaches & teammates.

But what is the plan if you draft him? What team do you see using a 1st or high 2nd on him? I think he could be a capable backup, I just don't see a team starting him immediately, or in the first 2 years. By that time he's 30, and moving on up in age. Is the plan to start him year 3?

The problem is you don't have the luxury of developing him over 4 years of a rookie contract like you do with most drafted QBs. Most draftees are younger at the end of their rookie deal than Weedon is when you draft him. It just seems like a poor investment to me and limits the team's potential to get a return on their high pick. If he was taken in the 4th or later, then no big deal, but spending a 1st or 2nd on him seems like a waste.

steelbtexan
02-13-2012, 01:30 PM
Washington in the 2nd, if they are unable to trade up and get one of the top 2 QB's.

Or trade for Flynn

beerlover
02-15-2012, 12:55 AM
It will be interesting to see how the combine shapes the draft from here. They're always some who fall while others stock soars :kitten:

beerlover
02-18-2012, 09:42 PM
1. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
3. Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
4. Trent Richardson RB Alabama
5. Matt Kalil OT Southern Cal
6. Morris Claiborne CB LSU
7. Michael Brockers DT LSU
8. Kendall Wright WR Baylor
9. David DeCastro OG Stanford
10. Devon Still DT Penn State
11. Melvin Ingram DE/OLB South Carolina
12. Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
13. Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
14. Nick Perry DE Southern Cal
15. Luke Kuechly LB Boston College
16. Riley Reiff OT Iowa
17. Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
18. Quentin Coples DE North Carolina
19. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
20. Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State
21. Mike Adams OT Ohio State
22. Cordy Glenn OG/OT Georgia
23. Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
24. Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama
25. Dre Kirkpatrick FS/CB Alabama
26. Andre Branch DE Clemson
27. Peter Konz OC Wisconsin
28. Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
29. Lamar Miller RB Miami(FL)
30. Rueben Randle WR LSU
31. Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
32. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State

NEWS FLASH!!!!! The Draft is a fluid process :koolaid:

badboy
02-18-2012, 09:45 PM
praying for a trade down.

beerlover
02-19-2012, 08:54 AM
praying for a trade down.

In the end there will be a guy sitting there #26 Texans covet :logo:

Lucky
02-19-2012, 09:46 AM
In the end there will be a guy sitting there #26 Texans covet :logo:
There may be 3 guys they covet, which would allow them to trade down. They coveted Duane Brown in 2008, and still moved down. The question is, as always, will there be someone at #26 that is so coveted by another team that they will move up to get him?

beerlover
02-19-2012, 12:36 PM
There may be 3 guys they covet, which would allow them to trade down. They coveted Duane Brown in 2008, and still moved down. The question is, as always, will there be someone at #26 that is so coveted by another team that they will move up to get him?

In which case they have about 10 minutes to make a move.

beerlover
02-27-2012, 03:46 PM
1. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
3. Matt Kalil OT Southern Cal
4. Trent Richardson RB Alabama
5. Morris Claiborne CB LSU
6. Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
7. Michael Brockers DT LSU
8. Melvin Ingram OLB South Carolina
9. Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
10. Quentin Coples DE North Carolina
11. Riley Reiff OT Iowa
12. David DeCastro OG Stanford
13. Dontari Poe NT Memphis
14. Nick Perry DE Southern Cal
15. Luke Kuechly LB Boston College
16. Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
17. Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
18. Devon Still DT Penn State
19. Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State
20. Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
21. Kendall Wright WR Baylor
22. Cordy Glenn OT Georgia
23. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
24. Mike Adams OT Ohio State
25. Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
26. Andre Branch DE Clemson
27. Doug Martin RB Boise State
28. Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama
29. Lamar Miller RB Miami(FL)
30. Kendall Reyes DT Connecticut
31. Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
32. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State

NEWS FLASH!!!!! The Draft is a fluid process :koolaid:

Almost but not quite post combine :overreact:

badboy
02-27-2012, 03:56 PM
BL how about throwing in 2-3 that could sneak into first?

beerlover
02-27-2012, 11:47 PM
BL how about throwing in 2-3 that could sneak into first?

Zach Brown, OLB/DE, North Carolina, 6013 236 4.5 forty
David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech, 5100 206 41" vertical

SAMURAITEXAN
02-28-2012, 12:08 AM
If Poe is available at our pick in the 1st rd, do you think that Wade gonna pull a trigger? I bet Wade's got a lot of say in Texans' organization and Gary and Rick have to listen what he got to say.

badboy
02-28-2012, 10:56 AM
If Poe is available at our pick in the 1st rd, do you think that Wade gonna pull a trigger? I bet Wade's got a lot of say in Texans' organization and Gary and Rick have to listen what he got to say.

No. I think Wade is happy with Cody and does not want to use a first when he could get Ta'Amu or Chapman or Martin later rounds. I have Poe #26 on my mock.

Goatcheese
02-28-2012, 11:37 AM
If Poe is available at our pick in the 1st rd, do you think that Wade gonna pull a trigger? I bet Wade's got a lot of say in Texans' organization and Gary and Rick have to listen what he got to say.

I can't see them spending a #1 on a position that isn't on the field in nickle situations. In a pass happy league he would see less than half of the snaps, especially in a rotation.

b0ng
02-28-2012, 11:53 AM
I can't see them spending a #1 on a position that isn't on the field in nickle situations. In a pass happy league he would see less than half of the snaps, especially in a rotation.

Our first round pick is probably not going to be looked for to be an impact starter from day 1 like we have had to do in years past.

aussie_texan
02-28-2012, 08:30 PM
No. I think Wade is happy with Cody and does not want to use a first when he could get Ta'Amu or Chapman or Martin later rounds. I have Poe #26 on my mock.

yeah i agree.

i probably would do it or at least have a very hard look but NT for Wade is like RB for Kubiack.

he can work with anyone as long as they have a couple of certain skills and can usually be had later in the draft

badboy
02-28-2012, 08:52 PM
Konz resolves two spots, center & OG but if Myers re-signs do we need to spend a first or look later rounds? Poe allows Mitchell to move to DE but is that necessary if Mario returns? If Wade is cool with Cody starting again should we spend a first on Poe or look at someone in later rounds?

Left guard is issue unless Wade Smith was hiding injury but who of the best falls to us? Do we hope Zeitler is available in 2nd or maybe my guy Lonnie Edwards in 3rd?

Floyd, Blackmon and Wright should be gone unless Wright runs slow at pro day. Do we reach in first for one of the second level guys? Or do we take whatever we can get in a trade down? Other than QB Tannehill, who else could be there at #26 that another team would trade up to get?

This is why my mock keeps changing so much and other too I guess.

mussop
02-28-2012, 09:30 PM
BL how about throwing in 2-3 that could sneak into first?

Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State
Lamar Miller**, RB, Miami
Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
Dwayne Allen*, TE, Clemson
Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
Orson Charles*, TE, Georgia
Cordy Glenn, G, Georgia
Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin

mussop
02-28-2012, 09:37 PM
Left guard is issue unless Wade Smith was hiding injury but who of the best falls to us? Do we hope Zeitler is available in 2nd or maybe my guy Lonnie Edwards in 3rd?



IF we loose Meyers I'm hoping David DeCastro falls enough for us to trade up. Breisal can play center.

steelbtexan
02-28-2012, 10:03 PM
IF we loose Meyers I'm hoping David DeCastro falls enough for us to trade up. Breisal can play center.

Dream scenario,

If Briesel re-signs with the Texans.

beerlover
03-31-2012, 12:10 PM
Wanted to update my current top 32 & compare it to Todd McShay's most recent. Obviously since it's mine I like it better but what's important is how my fellow mock-sters like it?

1. Andrew Luck QB, Stanford 1
Franchise QB with pedigree to follow in Payton Manning footsteps.
2. Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor 2
Intriguing athlete who could actually perform better than last years #1 pick & QB Cam Newton.
3. Matt Kalil OT, Southern Cal 3
Have to admit this Kalil kid is the real deal, the only true plug him in franchise LT in 2012 draft.
4. Trent Richardson RB, Alabama 5
Complete package, skill-set to perform @ an ultra high level as a rookie in the NFL. Best RB prospect since "All Day" Peterson.
5. Morris Claiborne CB, LSU 4
Most complete CB in this draft, sets himself apart from competition with tantalizing length, technique & ball hawk ability.
6. Justin Blackmon WR, Oklahoma State 6
Yes he has dropped, not overly quick or fast but fluid enough to create separation, has great hands & instincts to create big plays.
7. Michael Brockers DT/DE, LSU 14
Big body inside. Scheme diverse could play DE in a 3-4 or 4-3 DT. Upside with long NFL career ahead of him.
8. Melvin Ingram OLB, South Carolina 11
Best pass rusher in this draft. Plus athlete with extraordinary instincts for the ball. Takeaway machine.
9. David DeCastro OG, Stanford 12
Anybody not having him in their top 10 is crazy, dude is going to be a stud inside.
10. Luke Kuechly LB, Boston College 7
Doesn't mean he'll actually go this high but is an impact player for a team needing to shore up inside run defense along with plus coverage skills.
11. Riley Reiff OT, Iowa 15
Solid but not spectacular athlete who could play Left or Right Tackle even kick inside to LG which adds some value because of versatility.
12. Michael Floyd WR, Notre Dame 18
Has risen up draft boards because he answered character concerns, workouts have been phenomenal to add with game tape.
13 Fletcher Cox DT/DE, Mississippi State 16
Fluid, with some explosive moves, will need to add strength but could develop into a premier DL lineman.
14. Nick Perry DE, Southern Cal N/A
Maybe the top 4-3 DE in this draft? Has both size & power with excellent athletic instincts to get after QB's.
15. Ryan Tannehill QB, Texas T&M 8
Pro-Day went well, according to Maycock had a "franchise type workout" with only 19 games experience in College teams must factor in adjustment period.
16. Jonathan Martin OT, Stanford 27
Excellent technician, with good size. Needs to get stronger but a fine OT prospect.
17. Kendall Wright WR, Baylor 25
Productive, quicker than fast can create separation. NFL ready, with fully developed route tree. Excellent Pro-Day running sub 4.5 forty.
18. Quentin Coples DE, North Carolina 9
Not explosive as projected. Best fit is 3-4 DE. Reminds me of less explosive Mario Williams not Julius Peppers. McShay must feel he is more like Peppers.
19. Devon Still DT, Penn State N/A
Big strong inside DT. Can dominate trenches, would trust him over Poe, not even in McShay top 32.
20. Cordy Glenn OG/OT, Georgia 19
Can play inside or out. Very good feet, movement for a big man, could play either tackle position or OG.
21. Dont’a Hightower ILB, Alabama 20
In Texans neighborhood, fills #1 need & has the potential to be a star.
22. Dontari Poe NT/NG, Memphis 10
Big man who can move but really, is that all it takes? must show me more & some team will roll the dice. Like many other's I feel McShay is trying to support his mock draft rating untested raw talent Poe this high.
23. Courtney Upshaw DE/OLB, Alabama 17
Must find a position. Fits Steeler mold.
24. Mark Barron S, Alabama 13
I'm not his biggest fan but in a weak safety class he stands heads & heels over his competition.
25. Janoris Jenkins CB, North Alabama 21
Character issues aside, kid can cover & will compete on the next level, just needs to be in a structured environment.
26. Andre Branch DE Clemson 22
Explosive, 4-3 DE w/desirable length & ability to bend corners.
27. Peter Konz OC Wisconsin N/A
High ankle strain late in season not only sidelined him but has hurt his draft stock. Phooey on that, he can play & easily best center in this draft, usually one taken end of first round.
28. Whitney Mercilus DE/OLB Illinois 23
Just think someone is going to fall in love with his length & pass rushing moves in a draft short in area for a team who needs some production.
29. Doug Martin RB Boise State N/A
Closest thing to MJD Drew, all around special player coming out of the backfield.
30. Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech 31
Having followed in some pretty big footsteps I'll cut him so slack for his lackluster QB play & option instead of west coast offensive system. There is a benefit to this however in the fact he learned how to block.
31. Dre Kirkpatrick FS/CB Alabama 26
Give him slight edge over Gilmore in a weak cornerback class. Physical style, better in run support & finishes plays. Both not explosive.
32. Kendall Reyes DT/DE, Connecticut N/A
Reason why his stock has rose is many 3-4 teams think he can switch positions in NFL to DE. Can set the edge & flashes some pass rush ability.

BL Approved: :wesmantexanfan:

Wolf6151
04-01-2012, 02:17 AM
Overall pretty good list. Is this based on NFL potential or actual productivity? A couple guys that I'd have a little lower on the list. Michael Brockers I think is a reach at #7, Ryan Tannehill will go mid 1st round but it will be a reach because of the value put on the QB position, Kendall Wright is my pick to fall in the draft to the 2nd round, Dontari Poe will also go 1st round but it's based on potential and it's risky, Janoris Jenkins I'm not saying he's a reach but he's risky no matter what round he goes in.

Guys I'd move a little higher on the list. Fletcher Cox, Cordy Glenn, and I'd add Brandon Thompson and Jerel Worthy to the list.

Again overall very good list.

beerlover
04-01-2012, 09:26 AM
Happy April Fools Day,

I've seen Poe mocked to Carolina more than a couple times because why? elite size, movement & runs a fast forty, but show me the tape. He made some money @ the combine for sure, remember a lot of us took pause when thinking Texans had a shot. But this isn't football it's just a workout. Sure Brockers didn't run a fast forty (5.36 but improved to 5.15 @ his Pro-Day) however scouts don't really care about forty times for linemen they only care about how explosive they are out of the blocks, in the first 10 yards. Brockers is only a redshirt sophomore so naturally he does have development & potential ahead of him but already has the body 6-6, 316 lbs & 35" arms plus game film to warrant a Top 10 pick, at least in my book. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxk88nb4zhQ

Now on to game tape. Somebody want to tell me playing for Memphiss = playing for LSU, in the SEC? He is a fluid athlete w/LB experience before he grew too big & this happened recently, so yes he is still growing into his body looking a little awkward at times affecting his measureables. Brockers could also appeal to 4-3 teams who need a 3 tech. I would rate Still over him here but fact he is scheme diverse adds to his value. I've watched him dominate SEC linemen all year, he rarely get beaten even when double teamed (from Alabama). Has trunks for legs, creating powerful leverage he is able to move blockers off his path along with arm length (which hurts his bench numbers not accurately reflecting true strength). Uses LB instincts to flush out plays, flashing uncanny ability to diagnose screens and draw plays for a DT.

My own personal take. I'm sick of the offensive player getting all the hype & media spotlight. I'm more apt in my own rankings to grade the defensive prospect a little higher than most, because defense wins championships. LSU did not win the National Championship this year but they lost to a team who had an even better defense. Still it's OK to overdraft a QB or LT instead of someone inside the trenches doing the dirty work because every team needs them, well I could say same thing about great defensive linemen too. Yes, I have Brockers rated higher than most because of potential but this could apply to every NFL prospect who have yet to lace a shoe on Sundays. He is not maxed out, is a dominant inside player, has a nasty attitude & love for the game. Maybe he's not the next Richard Seymour but he has that type of potential & why I've graded him as high as I did.

Thanks for the feedback. It gives me the opportunity to address your concerns, ideas, then add my response. I find these tweet things actually quite funny but add little value to me, unless of course someone can resurrect Joel Buchsbaum, hand him a Cell then read what he Tweet's :fostering:

Lucky
04-01-2012, 10:09 AM
I've seen Poe mocked to Carolina more than a couple times because why? elite size, movement & runs a fast forty, but show me the tape. He made some money @ the combine for sure, remember a lot of us took pause when thinking Texans had a shot. But this isn't football it's just a workout. Sure Brockers didn't run a fast forty (5.36 but improved to 5.15 @ his Pro-Day) however scouts don't really care about forty times for linemen they only care about how explosive they are out of the blocks, in the first 10 yards. Brockers is only a redshirt sophomore so naturally he does have development & potential ahead of him but already has the body 6-6, 316 lbs & 35" arms plus game film to warrant a Top 10 pick, at least in my book.
Neither Poe or Brockers will be drafted based upon what they've done at college. They'll both be drafted based upon their potential in the NFL. You're gambling either way. A case can be made for Brockers playing in the SEC. But their have been plenty of d-lineman out of the SEC that have onderachieved or were out right busts. And their aren't many DTs like Poe coming out of smaller-mid level schools any longer, because the high schools are so well scouted. There have been only 2 DTs from non-BCS schools drafted in the 1st round in the past 20 drafts.

The reward for the team drafting either Poe or Brockers could be great. Dominant defensive linemen can help win games. Ask teams like the Giants or Ravens. But that reward comes with risk. DTs have some of the highest bust potential of any position. I don't think there's any way to know from what they have/haven't accomplished in college whether Poe or Brockers will succeed. A team will have to draft them based on feel and belief in their own player development.

Rey
04-01-2012, 10:12 AM
Why would being scheme diverse add value? Why would the packers care if a d lineman could also play in the 43 when they'll only have him playing in the 34?

beerlover
04-01-2012, 10:28 AM
Why would being scheme diverse add value? Why would the packers care if a d lineman could also play in the 43 when they'll only have him playing in the 34?

Green Bay might not care but another team using a 4-3 might like the Giants & visa versa. Scheme diverse means not limited to or married to just one thing :heh:

To expand a little, the 4-3 teams could see him as a plug & play prospect while the 3-4 teams could plug & play him but realize he could struggle intially while learning new position most likely as a strong side LDE.