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Texanmike02
02-10-2012, 01:57 AM
Per Matt's twitter

MattLeinartQB Matt Leinart
People like @MSchaub8 think sleep is overrated. I'll tell u what I just took the best hour nap of my life! Sleep = awesome


Maybe that's why @MSchaub8 is starting and you haven't played in a meaningful game in 4 years.

Mike

Quick II Draw
02-10-2012, 03:57 AM
Per Matt's twitter



Maybe that's why @MSchaub8 is starting and you haven't played in a meaningful game in 4 years.

Mike

You tell em, Mike!

:lion:

Bulls on Parade
02-10-2012, 06:12 AM
I have questions as to what the Texans will do with Matt Leinart this off-season? I'm assuming Gary Kubiak will praise him and so he may as well have job security with the team just like Jacoby Jones. He has one year left on his contract, but I'd rather see the team try and sign Vince Young to compete with T.J. Yates as the backup entering training camp. I'd rather have kept Dan Orlovsky -- that's right, I said Dan Orlovsky, as the backup quarterback last off-season instead of signing Leinart to a two-year deal. Or should I say Matty Checkdown and Mr. USC bust just like his backfield buddy Reggie Bush.

Kthx
02-10-2012, 07:33 AM
I don't like your username or the fact that you want to get Vince Young.

Ryan
02-10-2012, 08:16 AM
I don't get it.

hobie
02-10-2012, 08:21 AM
I don't get the point.

I am with ya... It is the offseason, and he's got a bum shoulder. So he took a nap, so.
From what Schaub said after he got hurt, he said Leinart has been a film junkie and studies his arse off and asks questions all the time, and is wanting to learn and get better.

I guess you just don't like Leinart..he's a #2 for a reason.

TimeKiller
02-10-2012, 08:23 AM
It's gonna be a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong offseason.......

Texan_Bill
02-10-2012, 08:24 AM
I don't get it.

What I get is, that because Matt L likes himself a good nap and likes to sleep, he's a terrible QB, AND because Matt S doesn't enjoy sleep he's a better QB...

That said, I don't really see any correlation.

Personally, I would side with Matt L. on this issue. Sleep is not over-rated. I can't get enough.

TejasTom
02-10-2012, 09:31 AM
I have questions as to what the Texans will do with Matt Leinart this off-season?...

Bundle him and Jacoby in trade him for a case of Gatorade and a couple of workout towels.

Hardcore Texan
02-10-2012, 09:35 AM
I am with ya... It is the offseason, and he's got a bum shoulder. So he took a nap, so.
From what Schaub said after he got hurt, he said Leinart has been a film junkie and studies his arse off and asks questions all the time, and is wanting to learn and get better.

I guess you just don't like Leinart..he's a #2 for a reason.

I am guessing Yates will be #2 next season. And I don't Leinart will be a Texan.

Maddict5
02-10-2012, 09:53 AM
and the pointless thread of the week award goes to.......

ChampionTexan
02-10-2012, 10:22 AM
Per Matt's twitter



Maybe that's why @MSchaub8 is starting and you haven't played in a meaningful game in 4 years.

Mike

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2010/11/matt-schaub-scary-face-bp.jpg
This is what sleep deprivation gets you. Is this really what you want?

2012Champs
02-10-2012, 10:24 AM
Id think sleep is more likely underrated myself

gary
02-10-2012, 10:54 AM
It does not matter who the backup is because most of the time you lose the starter and you do not win the Super Bowl.

ChampionTexan
02-10-2012, 10:59 AM
It does not matter who the backup is because most of the time you lose the starter and you do not win the Super Bowl.

So because neither team won the Super Bowl, you're saying there's no difference between the 2011 Houston Texans and the 2011 Chicago Bears?

sandman
02-10-2012, 11:06 AM
So because neither team won the Super Bowl, you're saying there's no difference between the 2011 Houston Texans and the 2011 Chicago Bears?

If, according to some around here, the ONLY thing that equates success is winning the Super Bowl, then no, there is no difference between the 2011 Houston Texans and any other team this year not named the New York Giants. If you didn't win, you failed. Your analogy is just a comparison of differing levels of failure.

Double Barrel
02-10-2012, 11:12 AM
Per Matt's twitter



Maybe that's why @MSchaub8 is starting and you haven't played in a meaningful game in 4 years.

Mike

That, or...uhh...you know, Schaub is just a better QB. :fingergun:

It does not matter who the backup is because most of the time you lose the starter and you do not win the Super Bowl.

We disagree.

Signed,

Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, and Tom Brady

How many NFL backup quarterbacks went on to win a Super Bowl? (http://www.quora.com/NFL/How-many-NFL-backup-quarterbacks-went-on-to-win-a-Super-Bowl)

Honoring Earl 34
02-10-2012, 11:14 AM
I bet we see VY on Jeopardy before we see him in a Texans uniform .

OK ... I thought of VY being on the popular game show Jeopardy and I googled it . This is what I found on a Baylor MB .

Alex Trebec: In which country is the Panama Canal located?
Vince Young: Ummmmm....what is....
Alex Trebec: Here's a hint...the Great Wall of China is located where?
Vince Young: Duh......China!
Alex Trebec: Ok, so.....where is the Panama Canal located?
Vince Young: Oh yeah, duh - What is China!

2012Champs
02-10-2012, 11:16 AM
That, or...uhh...you know, Schaub is just a better QB. :fingergun:



We disagree.

Signed,

Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, and Tom Brady

How many NFL backup quarterbacks went on to win a Super Bowl? (http://www.quora.com/NFL/How-many-NFL-backup-quarterbacks-went-on-to-win-a-Super-Bowl)



he did say most of the time so his statement still probably stands up

Double Barrel
02-10-2012, 11:23 AM
he did say most of the time so his statement still probably stands up

He also said it does not matter who is the backup QB. I showed clear examples where 25% of the QBs who have won Super Bowls won their first championship games in seasons that they started on the bench.

The list expands if you consider how many QBs who won Super Bowls were backups at some point in their careers.

It's just a matter of perspective, I suppose. :thinking:

2012Champs
02-10-2012, 11:28 AM
He also said it does not matter who is the backup QB. I showed clear examples where 25% of the QBs who have won Super Bowls won their first championship games in seasons that they started on the bench.

The list expands if you consider how many QBs who won Super Bowls were backups at some point in their careers.

It's just a matter of perspective, I suppose. :thinking:




Making up a new stat that would kind of support your opinion doesnt really refute his. I would guess that when a backup replaces a starting QB in the nfl more than 50% of the time that team doesnt win the superbowl.

Double Barrel
02-10-2012, 11:31 AM
Making up a new stat that would kind of support your opinion doesnt really refute his. I would guess that when a backup replaces a starting QB in the nfl more than 50% of the time that team doesnt win the superbowl.

I did not make up a stat. It is what it is.

And I do not dispute your chosen perspective. I'm just not a chicken little fan who goes into hand-wringing mode when a player goes down. Dudes are professionals and we should have at least some hope that they can succeed. NLF history clearly indicates that it's possible with numerous examples.

2012Champs
02-10-2012, 11:45 AM
I did not make up a stat. It is what it is.

And I do not dispute your chosen perspective. I'm just not a chicken little fan who goes into hand-wringing mode when a player goes down. Dudes are professionals and we should have at least some hope that they can succeed. NLF history clearly indicates that it's possible with numerous examples.



I never said it wasnt possible. I said despite you coming up with a different stat his statement that most, ie more than 50% of the time was probably still correct. It really has nothing to do with what your perspective is or chicken little anything.

Its not like we didnt have our very own clash with this issue during the season. Now I know there were plenty of people with their perspective out of whack when they thought Yates was the greatest, thought we had a QB controversy in houston and were talking about all the what if Yates takes us to the SB or OMG even wins????

Did Yates have a chance to do it? Sure. What it very likely? Nope. Same with the bears as well

gary
02-10-2012, 12:04 PM
Only seven times and it has not since 01 and if you read I said win the the Super Bowl not just make the playoffs where you'd be much better off with your best QB. Some just like to nit pick posts. Did I say it has not ever happened? Do you think if Matt went down much earlier the Texans make the playoffs after losing Leinart too?

Big Lou
02-10-2012, 12:07 PM
Bundle him and Jacoby in trade him for a case of Gatorade and a couple of workout towels.

"Throw in five 40' x 40' teal or black tarps, and a second round pick and you got yourself a deal!!!!"

Signed the Jacksonville Jaguars

Double Barrel
02-10-2012, 12:22 PM
Well far be it from me to counterpoint Captain Obvious statements.

I was giving the point way to much thought. :rolleyes:

gary
02-10-2012, 12:44 PM
The Chicago Bears missed the playoffs but there is not any way to know how Houston would have done had they lost Matt sooner than they did.

ChampionTexan
02-10-2012, 12:50 PM
The Chicago Bears missed the playoffs but there is not any way to know how Houston would have done had they lost Matt sooner than they did.

Which doesn't really speak to the point. The Bears and the Texans both lost their starting QB's after 10 games. The Bears were 7-3 and lost the first five games after Cutler went down to finish 8-8 and out of the playoffs. The Texans were 7-3 and finished the last 6 games at 3-3 which enabled them to make the playoffs and win a first round game.

Sometimes backup QB's matter.

Double Barrel
02-10-2012, 01:00 PM
The Chicago Bears missed the playoffs but there is not any way to know how Houston would have done had they lost Matt sooner than they did.

Gary, I was not trying to nitpick your point and argue with you. I was going into it with friendly conversation as my objective. :)

The "if" questions are always interesting, because it's pure speculation. No telling how our season would have been if Schaub went down sooner, and no telling how it would have ended if Schaub had stayed healthy through the playoffs (I think Super Bowl, but purely a homer take after a great season).

gary
02-10-2012, 01:02 PM
Which doesn't really speak to the point. The Bears and the Texans both lost their starting QB's after 10 games. The Bears were 7-3 and got one win in the last 6 games to finish 8-8 and out of the playoffs. The Texans were 7-3 and finished the last 6 games at 3-3 which enabled them to make the playoffs and win a first round game.

Sometimes backup QB's matter.Point taken. But, it still does not occur very often where you not just make the playoffs but then win it all. My point to DB which is not Caption Obvious IMHO.

Double Barrel
02-10-2012, 01:05 PM
Point taken. But, it still does not occur very often where you not just make the playoffs but then win it all. My point to DB which is not Caption Obvious IMHO.

Perhaps you are not the Captain Obvious that I was referring to. Maybe Captain Obvious was....ME! :fingergun:

gary
02-10-2012, 01:11 PM
Perhaps you are not the Captain Obvious that I was referring to. Maybe Captain Obvious was....ME! :fingergun:Then I apologize.

Double Barrel
02-10-2012, 04:55 PM
Then I apologize.

No need, my friend. I was stressed at work this morning (still am now!), so while 'on hold' I check out the forums. Sometimes my brain reads something different than posted (my last two brain cells aren't as good at multi-tasking!), so I never meant to insult you in any sort of way.

Obviously, most teams starting their backup QB during the season experience a drop off in performance, and the Texans were no different. But, we should still keep hope alive, as there is always a chance that they can rise above their status.

ObsiWan
02-11-2012, 01:08 AM
It does not matter who the backup is because most of the time you lose the starter and you do not win the Super Bowl.

Oh we wouldn't say thaaaat...

Signed, Jeff Hofstetler and Jim Plunkett

:D

Allstar
02-11-2012, 12:36 PM
Great idea, let's all bash Leinart for taking a nap in the offseason :kubepalm:

False Start
02-11-2012, 12:54 PM
I guess this means we are a good team now, when the only thing there is to complain about is the backup QB likes sleeping. :overreact: :heh:

Texanmike02
02-12-2012, 07:46 PM
OK. First, I don't want VY here. Not sure who got that impression. I'm not pro or anti VY. If Kubes makes the decision that VY can help, then let him help. If not then don't. You nor I know what Kubes thinks of him. Second, when I read the tweet I thought it was ridiculous, its the offseason and things get boring. I thought it was interesting that Leinart would post something like that because to me I wouldn't poke at someone who is better than I am for not "appreciating" a good nap.

It seemed to me as if he was poking fun at Schaub for never sleeping. We know about the first QB in Texans history and how he didn't spend enough time in the film room to turn physical tools into results on the field. I have always been under the impression that Schaub does this because noone has ever questioned his work ethic, in fact when he was a Falcon everyone lauded his leadership and work ethic. Leinart has a reputation for not working hard enough and for being full of himself. The post to me is almost like him poking fun at Schaub for saying "sleep is overrated"... Why does he think that? Because he works his ass off.

I wasn't bashing him for taking a nap. If I were the understudy I would try to emulate his behavior as much as I could.

Mike

TEXANRED
02-12-2012, 08:40 PM
He also said it does not matter who is the backup QB. I showed clear examples where 25% of the QBs who have won Super Bowls won their first championship games in seasons that they started on the bench.

The list expands if you consider how many QBs who won Super Bowls were backups at some point in their careers.

It's just a matter of perspective, I suppose. :thinking:

Does Kurt Warner qualify?

TEXANRED
02-12-2012, 08:43 PM
Great idea, let's all bash Leinart for taking a nap in the offseason :kubepalm:

Can we Neg rep a twitter?

Texan_Bill
02-13-2012, 12:26 PM
Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Tom Brady were all guys that won a Super Bowl while not starting at the beginning of the season.

2012Champs
02-13-2012, 01:29 PM
Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Tom Brady were all guys that won a Super Bowl while not starting at the beginning of the season.

now list all of the bench QBs who had to come in to start and didnt end up winning the Super Bowl

Texanmike02
02-13-2012, 02:28 PM
Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Tom Brady were all guys that won a Super Bowl while not starting at the beginning of the season.

Dilfer is the exception. In this era of a quarterback dominance it is more important to have a great QB than any other position. Brady was that great QB but nobody knew it. Unless you have a great QB on the bench you're not winning the DB with a backup QB.

Mike

TexanSam
02-13-2012, 02:36 PM
It seemed to me as if he was poking fun at Schaub for never sleeping. We know about the first QB in Texans history and how he didn't spend enough time in the film room to turn physical tools into results on the field. I have always been under the impression that Schaub does this because noone has ever questioned his work ethic, in fact when he was a Falcon everyone lauded his leadership and work ethic. Leinart has a reputation for not working hard enough and for being full of himself. The post to me is almost like him poking fun at Schaub for saying "sleep is overrated"... Why does he think that? Because he works his ass off.

That's a lot to assume just from one tweet. I'm not going to judge him from it. His reputation is known, but from what Texans players and coaches have said, Leinart has grown up. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. I think you're over thinking what he said.

Texanmike02
02-15-2012, 01:41 AM
That's a lot to assume just from one tweet. I'm not going to judge him from it. His reputation is known, but from what Texans players and coaches have said, Leinart has grown up. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. I think you're over thinking what he said.

That's entirely possible. I meant it more as a rebuttal than what this turned into. I wish @rondayne would have just tweeted "just left the buffet", that would have been more cut and dry LOL.

Mike

Allstar
02-15-2012, 02:56 AM
That's entirely possible. I meant it more as a rebuttal than what this turned into. I wish @rondayne would have just tweeted "just left the buffet", that would have been more cut and dry LOL.

Mike

Let's be realistic, you think Ron Dayne would voluntarily leave a buffet? :)

HuttoKarl
02-15-2012, 11:53 AM
I love a 4 hour nap more than almost anything in life.

Kimmy
02-17-2012, 12:31 AM
That, or...uhh...you know, Schaub is just a better QB. :fingergun:



We disagree.

Signed,

Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, and Tom Brady
How many NFL backup quarterbacks went on to win a Super Bowl? (http://www.quora.com/NFL/How-many-NFL-backup-quarterbacks-went-on-to-win-a-Super-Bowl)

and Aaron Rodgers :)

Bulls on Parade
02-17-2012, 03:45 AM
Let's be realistic, you think Ron Dayne would voluntarily leave a buffet? :)
I wrestled him a few weekends ago at the Golden Corral. He isn't that tough to be honest with you. Hits like a girl and comes across as a bit soft, a la Jason Witten of the Dallas Cowboys.

dc_txtech
02-17-2012, 01:33 PM
Is there really a 3 page thread about Matt Leinart taking a nap?

Frickin offseason man :specnatz:

TejasTom
02-17-2012, 07:45 PM
Is there really a 3 page thread about Matt Leinart taking a nap?

Frickin offseason man :specnatz:

We need a break from the Mario, Arian, Jacoby threads.

Texan_Bill
02-17-2012, 07:49 PM
We need a break from the Mario, Arian, Jacoby threads.

THIS ^^^^^^^^! Although I would've added Manning as well. :kitten:

ckhouston
02-19-2012, 10:57 AM
Leinart is gone. Why even discuss?