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IDEXAN
02-06-2012, 11:47 AM
Packers: 5 to 1

Saints: 6 to 1

Patriots: 8 to 1

Steelers: 12 to 1

Eagles: 12 to 1

Ravens: 12 to 1

Texans: 15 to 1

Chargers: 15 to 1

Giants: 20 to 1

49ers: 20 to 1

Cowboys: 20 to 1

Jets: 20 to 1

Falcons: 20 to 1

Lions: 20 to 1
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/02/here-are-super-bowl-odds-for-2013/1

nero THE zero
02-06-2012, 12:10 PM
I like the odds on the 9'ers.

DX-TEX
02-06-2012, 12:16 PM
We are a better team right now than the Steelers, Ravens and even the Patriots. (with a healthy Schaub of course)

thunderkyss
02-06-2012, 12:35 PM
Between now & September, Kubiak is going to mention that the goal is still the same & that we have a long way to go.

A Lot of people here are not going to understand that statement.

NitroGSXR
02-06-2012, 12:40 PM
How are we tied for third? The Pats, Steelers, and Ravens all have better odds. I think we're tied for 4th with the Chargers.

2012Champs
02-06-2012, 01:45 PM
I think those are the odds to win the super bowl which isnt really a good ranking mechanism

IDEXAN
02-06-2012, 01:50 PM
How are we tied for third? The Pats, Steelers, and Ravens all have better odds. I think we're tied for 4th with the Chargers.
Of course you are right, I somehow overlooked the Steelers !
I wonder how much if any our odds have been discounted for any
uncertainty/concerns about Schaubs full recovery and return ?

imatexan
02-06-2012, 05:07 PM
It said the Texans odd on sportscenter were 10 to 1.

Rey
02-06-2012, 05:14 PM
The off-season hasn't even happened yet...

I'd like to see what we do and what other teams do first, but I get what they're saying...

RazorOye
02-06-2012, 05:46 PM
It said the Texans odd on sportscenter were 10 to 1.

different betting house

on ESPN, they cited MGM's odds

TheMatrix31
02-07-2012, 12:16 AM
Good odds for the 49ers. If I were a betting man, I would bet 50 bucks and see what happens.

dream_team
02-07-2012, 01:54 AM
Out of all of those teams, I think the Niners has the best chance of regressing next season.

JCTexan
02-07-2012, 02:42 AM
Out of all of those teams, I think the Niners has the best chance of regressing next season.

Regress in what way? Not making the playoffs or not getting to the NFC Championship game?

Vinnie
02-07-2012, 09:04 AM
I don't know, I think the Texans at 15-1 is a pretty high value.

TheMatrix31
02-07-2012, 09:35 AM
Dolphins are the best bet as of now. Put money on them before they get Peyton and you just might be a richer man in a year's time.

2012Champs
02-07-2012, 09:36 AM
I don't know, I think the Texans at 15-1 is a pretty high value.



to win the superbowl? I dont think thats high at all

HOU-TEX
02-07-2012, 10:22 AM
Another year in which it appears the Chargers are going to be hyped up again. *Sigh* Norv Turner's not going to win jack crap. How long will it take people to figure this out

dream_team
02-07-2012, 10:29 AM
Regress in what way? Not making the playoffs or not getting to the NFC Championship game?

Simply won't be as good as this past season. That offense has no one to be excited about.

b0ng
02-07-2012, 01:40 PM
Regress in what way? Not making the playoffs or not getting to the NFC Championship game?

Probably just an overall regression in the quality of play. Remember the 2007 Jaguars squad where David Garrard mysteriously didn't throw picks or lose fumbles, and they beat the Steelers in the playoffs and put up a good fight against that ridiculous 2007 Patriots team?

That's kind of what I think of when I see the 2011 9'ers. Really good defense, very competent run game and a QB who looked like "he got it" and protected the ball uncharacteristically well. Now if the 9'ers somehow swing a really good QB out of nowhere (Like Peyton Manning, or even Drew Brees if he doesn't re-sign with NOLA) they might be SB favorites. But if they just keep that same team and don't make any changes to it in the offseason (unlikely) then I can see them not winning 13 games in 2012 (will probably still win the NFC West unless Pete Carroll figures out the QB conundrum in Seattle) and possibly having bigger offense issues than they did this season.

The title "Odds have Texans tied for x to rep AFC in 2013" is misleading, because odds are made to initiate and provoke betting, not as an actual prediction of who will make the Superbowl. Think of it more along the lines of Who Vegas Thinks Will Get Bet On The Most To Win AFC/NFC.

JCTexan
02-07-2012, 02:11 PM
Simply won't be as good as this past season. That offense has no one to be excited about.

How good do you think they will be next year? They didn't have any legit WR threats this year, but they still made it to the NFC Championship game with their defense and running game. They aren't really an exciting team (IMO) but have more the style of a Ravens/Steelers in that they're built to run the ball and have a great defense. This is also their first real off-season under Jim Harbaugh. Do you see them getting dethroned for the division?

Probably just an overall regression in the quality of play. Remember the 2007 Jaguars squad where David Garrard mysteriously didn't throw picks or lose fumbles, and they beat the Steelers in the playoffs and put up a good fight against that ridiculous 2007 Patriots team?

That's kind of what I think of when I see the 2011 9'ers. Really good defense, very competent run game and a QB who looked like "he got it" and protected the ball uncharacteristically well. Now if the 9'ers somehow swing a really good QB out of nowhere (Like Peyton Manning, or even Drew Brees if he doesn't re-sign with NOLA) they might be SB favorites. But if they just keep that same team and don't make any changes to it in the offseason (unlikely) then I can see them not winning 13 games in 2012 (will probably still win the NFC West unless Pete Carroll figures out the QB conundrum in Seattle) and possibly having bigger offense issues than they did this season.

The title "Odds have Texans tied for x to rep AFC in 2013" is misleading, because odds are made to initiate and provoke betting, not as an actual prediction of who will make the Superbowl. Think of it more along the lines of Who Vegas Thinks Will Get Bet On The Most To Win AFC/NFC.

I would say that's a fair answer. I made that comment trying to get him to say Seattle or another team in the NFC West would dethrone San Francisco for the division. I don't think there is another team in that division to seriously contend with San Francisco. If you would consider them not making the NFC Championship as a regression then it would be fair to say both New Orleans and Green Bay regressed, which I don't think either team did this year

dream_team
02-07-2012, 07:51 PM
How good do you think they will be next year? They didn't have any legit WR threats this year, but they still made it to the NFC Championship game with their defense and running game. They aren't really an exciting team (IMO) but have more the style of a Ravens/Steelers in that they're built to run the ball and have a great defense. This is also their first real off-season under Jim Harbaugh. Do you see them getting dethroned for the division?



I would say that's a fair answer. I made that comment trying to get him to say Seattle or another team in the NFC West would dethrone San Francisco for the division. I don't think there is another team in that division to seriously contend with San Francisco. If you would consider them not making the NFC Championship as a regression then it would be fair to say both New Orleans and Green Bay regressed, which I don't think either team did this year

Now I'm not saying they WILL regress... but out of all of the teams listed above, they're my pick of most likely regressing. Now if they sign a QB in the offseason, then I'm on the bandwagon, but I'm simply not a believer in Alex Smith. Smith was simply asked to "not screw up"... he did not screw up. So they beat up on the weak teams, and won some close games against the good teams.

Will this same strategy work again next season? Possibly, but that's putting alot of pressure on your defense. You say they're modeled after the Steelers & Ravens... those teams have some playmakers on offense at least. The best offensive players the niners have is a past-prime aging RB and an inconsistent TE.

Combine this with a tougher schedule next season. All of the NFC West teams will be better next season. Rams have a real coaching staff, Bradford back, and most likely Justin Blackmon. Cards will have Kolb back, and are even in the running for Peyton. Seahawks are also a decent QB/WR away from being a legit contender. Not to mention they're also playing the Bears, Lions, Giants, Packers, Saints, Patriots, and Jets.

To sum up, I'm not a believer in Alex Smith. In today's league, it's tough to consistently win with a shutdown defense and no offense. I think the sooner the Niners cut ties with Smith, the better.

BullBlitz
02-07-2012, 10:31 PM
We are a better team right now than the Steelers, Ravens and even the Patriots. (with a healthy Schaub of course)

Actually, I don't think that we are better than the Ravens team that just beat us, nor the Patriots who beat those same Ravens.

But it doesn't matter, because the team that existed in 2011 won't be the one playing in 2012, and I think that the 2012 team is going to have a tough time improving on the 10-6 record because of a tougher schedule.

Bulls on Parade
02-08-2012, 02:27 AM
Talent wise, the Texans are the best team in the AFC. Just need some luck staying healthy to our best players and the rest will take care of itself. I'm not even worried about the so-called "tougher schedule" because you really have no idea which teams will improve or regress this off-season. If I were a betting man, I'd go all in on the Texans representing the AFC in Super Bowl 47 inside the Superdome. They're going to have as good a chance as any in the conference to do great things this year.

1bigfan13
02-08-2012, 03:03 AM
The off-season hasn't even happened yet...

I'd like to see what we do and what other teams do first, but I get what they're saying...

I agree. If we can land a couple of impact rookies via the draft and a solid free agent or two, I like our chances to at least make the AFC Championship game.

Rey
02-08-2012, 12:08 PM
They basically have us in the same position that we finished in this year.

BullBlitz
02-08-2012, 09:31 PM
Talent wise, the Texans are the best team in the AFC. Just need some luck staying healthy to our best players and the rest will take care of itself. I'm not even worried about the so-called "tougher schedule" because you really have no idea which teams will improve or regress this off-season.

Exactly right. And you have no idea whether or not the Texans will be one of the teams that will improve or regress. We don't even know at the margin who will be on the team. Schaub? Maybe. Mario? Who knows?

We weren't the best team in the AFC last year or we wouldn't have dropped out of the playoffs after the Wild Card round. We've only once been the best in our division.

Tough to argue [with any credibility, at least] that the "Texans are the best team in the AFC". Please.
:kubepalm:

The Medic01
02-08-2012, 10:19 PM
Exactly right. And you have no idea whether or not the Texans will be one of the teams that will improve or regress. We don't even know at the margin who will be on the team. Schaub? Maybe. Mario? Who knows?

We weren't the best team in the AFC last year or we wouldn't have dropped out of the playoffs after the Wild Card round. We've only once been the best in our division.

Tough to argue [with any credibility, at least] that the "Texans are the best team in the AFC". Please.
:kubepalm:

Yeah you can. If we don't lose Schaub we would beat Ravens at least and maybe beat the Pat. We also would have gone 13-3 and gotten first or second seed.

BullBlitz
02-08-2012, 10:50 PM
Yeah you can. If we don't lose Schaub we would beat Ravens at least and maybe beat the Pat. We also would have gone 13-3 and gotten first or second seed.

Wishful thinking. Doubt we would have beat either, Schaub or not.

The Medic01
02-08-2012, 11:54 PM
Wishful thinking. Doubt we would have beat either, Schaub or not.

Why not. We outplayed the Ravens at every position except QB (and punt returner) and Schaub is definitely better than Flacco.

Dutchrudder
02-09-2012, 12:14 AM
Yeah you can. If we don't lose Schaub we would beat Ravens at least and maybe beat the Pat. We also would have gone 13-3 and gotten first or second seed.

13-3? No way dude. Wade Phillips was going to take 2 weeks off for surgery regardless of who was QB. Reggie Herring was not prepared for that Panthers game the slightest bit. It really showed how much Wade mattered to that defense, and I don't think Schaub would have changed the outcome there. The Titans game we could have won if Kubiak wanted to, but he didn't want to risk starters for a meaningless game, so 11-5 was certainly there. The Colts game would have likely gone better with Schaub, but the refs were out for blood in that one, so I'm not sure how that would have turned out.

We would have been 12-4 at best, which doesn't change our seed at all.

ObsiWan
02-09-2012, 01:15 AM
Regress in what way? Not making the playoffs or not getting to the NFC Championship game?

1. They won't surprise anyone this coming year. Few teams expected them to be as good as they were this year.

2. Tougher opponents. They will play the division champ level schedule as opposed to the 6-10 level schedule they played last year.

Maybe they'll meet these challenges. Maybe not.

ObsiWan
02-09-2012, 01:24 AM
Why not. We outplayed the Ravens at every position except QB (and punt returner) and Schaub is definitely better than Flacco.

As much as I'd love to do koolaid shots with you, there remains the fact that we lost to the Ravens in the regular season with Schaub under center. Yeah, I know Mario and A.J. were out. But they beat us last season (2010) with everyone in the lineup. In fact, have we EVER beat the Ravens??

Texn4life
02-09-2012, 01:26 AM
FWIW...... ESPN has us as the #4 seed and going 9-7 next year in their playoff predictor. I'm not too fond of computers though so this is pretty much rubbish to me.

AFC

1. New England Patriots (13-3, 66.7 percent)
2011: 13-3, No. 1 seed

As long as the Patriots have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, there will be many a game won in New England. The Pats were one of three offenses that separated themselves from the rest of the league, winning with their No. 3 opponent-adjusted passing attack and maintaining success with the sixth-most efficient running game in the NFL. Despite their No. 28 ranked opponent-adjusted pass defense, the Patriots won 13 games but once again fell short in the Super Bowl. The last time New England didn't win 10 games in a season? 2002.

2. Pittsburgh Steelers (11-5, 60.4)
2011: 12-4, No. 5 seed

The Steelers were victims of the injury bug this year, losing key players on both sides of the ball for extended periods of time. Even with their M.A.S.H. unit, Big Ben had a career year, leading the AFC's No. 2 opponent-adjusted passing offense. But, the Steel City is known for its archetypal defense, and that is where Pittsburgh came up short. The Steelers' defense, mostly because of a lack of turnovers, ranked No. 14 in the league after adjusting for the strength of opposing offenses. Expect Pittsburgh to bounce back and regain defensive dominance in 2012, although it remains to be seen what will emerge on the offensive side of the ball with Bruce Arians' unceremonious, very un-Steelers like dismissal.

3. San Diego Chargers (10-6, 55.5)
2011: 8-8, missed playoffs

The Chargers owned the No. 6 opponent-adjusted offense in the league this year, even though Philip Rivers threw a career-high 20 interceptions. The San Diego defense, however, ranked No. 28 after adjusting for strength of opponents, allowing 40 points a league-average defense would have prevented if put in similar situations. All that said, the Chargers play in an extremely weak division and should be able to come out on top, barring the critical turnovers they committed this season.

4. Houston Texans (9-7, 50.2)
2011: 10-6, No. 3 seed

With a healthy Matt Schaub and a surprisingly top-notch defense, the Texans are a force to be reckoned with. The pass defense, which ranked dead last in 2010, improved dramatically, finishing as the No. 5 opponent-adjusted pass D in the NFL. Houston's playoff potential, however, depends as much on its performance as it does on whether Peyton Manning will be returning to Indianapolis. With Arian Foster (if he re-signs), Schaub and Andre Johnson, though -- you have to give them a puncher's chance even if Manning is back.

5. Baltimore Ravens (10-6, 55.6)
2011: 12-4, No. 2 seed

Ray Lewis will be returning to the Ravens, and their defense should be just as stout in 2012 despite the ravages of age and the dispiriting effect of a heartbreaking loss in Foxborough. The Baltimore defense prevented a touchdown per game from being scored that a league-average defense would have allowed, ranking it No. 3 in the league. Add in the steady play of Ray Rice, and Torrey Smith with a year under his belt, and you have a team that will battle for a playoff spot year in and year out.

6. New York Jets (10-6, 50.4)
2011: 8-8, missed playoffs

Much like the Bears, the Jets finished the season in dismal form, losing three straight games and causing much uproar in the notoriously brutal New York media. Although there are rumors of Peyton Manning going to the Big Apple, Rex Ryan can rely on his AFC-best defense to give the Jets a shot at the postseason. Mark Sanchez and the New York passing offense ranked No. 29 in the league after adjusting for strength of opponents. In fact, if the Jets' passing offense were replaced by a league-average one, it would score an additional touchdown per game -- that's 112 points throughout the course of the season.

TheMatrix31
02-09-2012, 01:37 AM
Exactly right. And you have no idea whether or not the Texans will be one of the teams that will improve or regress. We don't even know at the margin who will be on the team. Schaub? Maybe. Mario? Who knows?

We weren't the best team in the AFC last year or we wouldn't have dropped out of the playoffs after the Wild Card round. We've only once been the best in our division.

Tough to argue [with any credibility, at least] that the "Texans are the best team in the AFC". Please.
:kubepalm:


You're one of those people who just watches things but doesn't understand what he's watching.

That is a thoroughly simplistic, and inaccurate way of viewing things.

But no need to rehash things.

The Medic01
02-09-2012, 04:14 AM
As much as I'd love to do koolaid shots with you, there remains the fact that we lost to the Ravens in the regular season with Schaub under center. Yeah, I know Mario and A.J. were out. But they beat us last season (2010) with everyone in the lineup. In fact, have we EVER beat the Ravens??

Can't use a 2010 game to try to judge us in 2012. Also I feel like we got better as the season went on. I think with Schaub we beat the Ravens in the playoffs. Like I stated earlier we outplayed them everywhere except QB. I know ifs and buts will kill you but I legitimately beleive we beat the Ravens.