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76Texan
01-30-2012, 09:56 PM
Do you have a list, from one to ten (or one to five, whatever) of the receivers in this draft class?

I'm thinking we may give points to all the names on all the lists (top choice gets ten points, second choice gets nine points, and so on.)

We can then tally (and update the scores) and come up with a final ranking maybe a week before the draft.

Since I'm only just starting, I'd like to ask everybody else who has a list to put it up.

Thanks!

beerlover
01-30-2012, 10:04 PM
Do you have a list, from one to ten (or one to five, whatever) of the receivers in this draft class?

I'm thinking we may give points to all the names on all the lists (top choice gets ten points, second choice gets nine points, and so on.)

We can then tally (and update the scores) and come up with a final ranking maybe a week before the draft.

Since I'm only just starting, I'd like to ask everybody else who has a list to put it up.

Thanks!

Might be easier if you post it as poll question, that way it automatically tabulates itself.

steelbtexan
01-30-2012, 11:45 PM
1. Blackmon
2. Jeffrey
3.K.Wright
4.Floyd
5.Jordan White
6.Sanu
7. Joe Adams PR/KR skills included
8.Criner
9. J. Wright
10.T.Y. Hilton Pr/KR skills included

Honorable mention Toon,Randle,D.Jones,Streeter, Jenkins, Eric Page, Stephen Hill.

Hill is a former Ga. state sprint champ, who is 6'4 205 is a great blocker but has questionable hands. RD3-5 would be a steal. IMHO

nero THE zero
01-31-2012, 11:02 AM
1. Blackmon
2. Jeffrey
3.K.Wright
4.Floyd
5.Jordan White
6.Sanu
7. Joe Adams PR/KR skills included
8.Criner
9. J. Wright
10.T.Y. Hilton Pr/KR skills included

Honorable mention Toon,Randle,D.Jones,Streeter, Jenkins, Eric Page, Stephen Hill.

Hill is a former Ga. state sprint champ, who is 6'4 205 is a great blocker but has questionable hands. RD3-5 would be a steal. IMHO
Heh. As a Georgia Tech fan I'd say that's quite the understatement.

Hill makes Jacoby look like Larry Fitzgerald.

steelbtexan
01-31-2012, 11:18 AM
Heh. As a Georgia Tech fan I'd say that's quite the understatement.

Hill makes Jacoby look like Larry Fitzgerald.

LOL

Agreed

But it's not like Hill had Manning as his QB.

beerlover
01-31-2012, 11:22 AM
Justin Blackmon- Top 5 selection, blue chip talent
Michael Floyd- Ability to start immediately & produce
Alshon Jeffery- Big, tall red-zone target who wins jump balls
Kendall Wright- Pro ready, faster & stronger than expected
Mohamed Sanu- He is more your slot, possession receiver with RB skills
Juron Criner- Big Body, strong hands who will be productive early on
Marvin Jones- After Blackmon could be playmaker of group
Nick Toon- long, lean & fast can stretch the field, good genes
Ryan Broyles- All around competitive coming off acl surgery
Brian Quick- Another exciting big body, developmental, worth the wait

Rey
01-31-2012, 11:29 AM
1) Blackmon
2) Wright
2) Floyd
3) Jeffery


Those are my top 4 and I want one of them. I have Wright and Floyd being about the same with Jeffery right behind.

El Tejano
01-31-2012, 12:13 PM
no matter this is a good list for what we need.

IDEXAN
01-31-2012, 02:36 PM
Anybody check out Joe Adams, Arkansas WR, in Saturdays Senior Bowl ?
OK he's small, but is he ever fast and he's got good hands plus he's an excellent punt-returner. Kinda reminds me of Desean Jackson, Phillys receiver.

Texaninlild
01-31-2012, 02:43 PM
I will take the Wright in the draft.

Playoffs
01-31-2012, 03:33 PM
Will weigh in (pun intended) after the combine.

srrono
01-31-2012, 03:47 PM
With so many WR's in this draft I can see Texans trading back for an extra 2nd rounder.

Corrosion
01-31-2012, 04:13 PM
Justin Blackmon- Top 5 selection, blue chip talent
Michael Floyd- Ability to start immediately & produce
Alshon Jeffery- Big, tall red-zone target who wins jump balls
Kendall Wright- Pro ready, faster & stronger than expected
Mohamed Sanu- He is more your slot, possession receiver with RB skills
Juron Criner- Big Body, strong hands who will be productive early on
Marvin Jones- After Blackmon could be playmaker of group
Nick Toon- long, lean & fast can stretch the field, good genes
Ryan Broyles- All around competitive coming off acl surgery
Brian Quick- Another exciting big body, developmental, worth the wait



Identical to my list in terms of talent and ability ..... Only real question on this group pre-combine is Floyd who may or may not drop due to off field issues and Broyles injury concerns - Should he perform at the combine he could move back up - whats the timetable on his recovery ?!

steelbtexan
01-31-2012, 07:28 PM
BL,
Your list is a very good list. I'm interested to know what other draftniks top 5-10 look like.

Your list consists of young Hines Ward and Greg Jennings type WR's.

My List has Jennings/Antonio Brown type WR's. I think one way to quickly improve the ST's is to draft a TY Hilton/Joe Adams/Demps type slot WR that can play outside somme too.

Hopefully Floyd or Jeffrey are there late in the 1st. In the 3rd 4th rd taking a White/Hilton/Adams would be playing with house money. It would take the biggest weakness and turn it into a possible strength.

I'm going to put out a Texans post combine mock soon. Check it out and tell me what you think.

Corrosion
01-31-2012, 07:47 PM
BL,
Your list is a very good list. I'm interested to know what other draftniks top 5-10 look like.

Your list consists of young Hines Ward and Greg Jennings type WR's.

My List has Jennings/Antonio Brown type WR's. I think one way to quickly improve the ST's is to draft a TY Hilton/Joe Adams/Demps type slot WR that can play outside somme too.

Hopefully Floyd or Jeffrey are there late in the 1st. In the 3rd 4th rd taking a White/Hilton/Adams would be playing with house money. It would take the biggest weakness and turn it into a possible strength.

I'm going to put out a Texans post combine mock soon. Check it out and tell me what you think.

Thats what Im hoping for as well .... Either of those guys would be a major upgrade at the #2 WR spot.

The only question I have is would the Texans front office take Floyd with his off field issues .... we have a WR On the roster with a history of DUI tho I think that guy (J.Jones) is gone as a cap casualty , especially if the team can find a serious upgrade in the draft.

76Texan
01-31-2012, 08:18 PM
Which NFL teams might look for a receiver early, anybody knows?

Corrosion
01-31-2012, 08:28 PM
Which NFL teams might look for a receiver early, anybody knows?

St.Louis @ 2 may
Cleveland @ 4 or 22
I could see Jax taking one at 7 depending upon how they rate them and who's available.
Philly might @ 15 depending on the status of DeSean Jackson in FA.

Other than that I dont see a team with a real dire need at WR and I doubt all of those teams take one .... Then again maybe a team not listed thinks they find value at the position and un-expectedly takes one.


I would be real tempted to trade up for one of the top 3 - Justin Blackmon,
Michael Floyd or Alshon Jeffery in the mid teens should they still be on the board.

Brandon420tx
01-31-2012, 08:32 PM
Jets, Jags, Bears, Cinci, Cleveland, Rams, (Tradeback and lose Kalil, take Blackmon), Redskins, Patriots (good value at end of the round), and later (like second round) Panthers, Redskins, Cardinals, Steelers, Broncos.

Basically alot of teams will be looking to add a WR this draft with so many quality ones. I really hope the Texans don't wait to long to get one (or two) that fit

76Texan
01-31-2012, 08:33 PM
St.Louis @ 2 may
Cleveland @ 4 or 22
I could see Jax taking one at 7 depending upon how they rate them and who's available.
Philly might @ 15 depending on the status of DeSean Jackson in FA.

Other than that I dont see a team with a real dire need at WR and I doubt all of those teams take one .... Then again maybe a team not listed thinks they find value at the position and un-expectedly takes one.


I would be real tempted to trade up for one of the top 3 - Justin Blackmon,
Michael Floyd or Alshon Jeffery in the mid teens should they still be on the board.

Would any of those teams have interest in DeSean Jackson; any rumors or semi-serious possibility?

76Texan
01-31-2012, 08:37 PM
Jets, Jags, Bears, Cinci, Cleveland, Rams, (Tradeback and lose Kalil, take Blackmon), Redskins, Patriots (good value at end of the round), and later (like second round) Panthers, Redskins, Cardinals, Steelers, Broncos.

Basically alot of teams will be looking to add a WR this draft with so many quality ones. I really hope the Texans don't wait to long to get one (or two) that fit

Similar to DeSean Jackson, what kind of receivers do those teams lose that requires replacement/upgrade?

Any of those FAs have a certain "rapport" with another team through coaches or players that may lead them to move to another team with need?

Is receiver their primary need (the teams that you listed) in the first round?

Dutchrudder
01-31-2012, 08:39 PM
Which NFL teams might look for a receiver early, anybody knows?

Lots... but it also depends on who goes where in free agency. All these teams could fill a #1 or #2 WR role:

Rams - Likely losing Lloyd in FA
Vikings
Browns
Bucs
Redskins
Jags
Panthers - Steve Smith is gettin old
Chiefs - if they lose Bowe
Bills - if they lose Stevie Johnson
Jets - if they lose plax
Eagles if they lose Djax
Chargers - if they lose Vjax
Bears
Broncos - maybe
Texans

Corrosion
01-31-2012, 08:40 PM
Would any of those teams have interest in DeSean Jackson; any rumors or semi-serious possibility?

I have no idea what teams have interest in him .... I dont see him as a fit for the Texans because of the cost and their cap space. I think he's going to want a payday more significant than the Texans could offer .... Unless MW is playing in another uniform next season - Then all bets are off.

If one of those teams were to pick him up in FA , you could likely strike them from the list of teams taking a first round WR .... again there is the possibility a teams see's value in a certain prospect and takes them.

76Texan
01-31-2012, 08:44 PM
When does FA start? And how long and what is the process?
A link would be fine.
I'm a little tired and it would help not having to dig for something I know many of you draftniks and FA buffs already know.

76Texan
01-31-2012, 08:47 PM
I have no idea what teams have interest in him .... I dont see him as a fit for the Texans because of the cost and their cap space. I think he's going to want a payday more significant than the Texans could offer .... Unless MW is playing in another uniform next season - Then all bets are off.

If one of those teams were to pick him up in FA , you could likely strike them from the list of teams taking a first round WR .... again there is the possibility a teams see's value in a certain prospect and takes them.

Jax probably have cap space, does it make sense that they would go after a FA WR?

76Texan
01-31-2012, 08:50 PM
Lots... but it also depends on who goes where in free agency. All these teams could fill a #1 or #2 WR role:

Rams - Likely losing Lloyd in FA
Vikings
Browns
Bucs
Redskins
Jags
Panthers - Steve Smith is gettin old
Chiefs - if they lose Bowe
Bills - if they lose Stevie Johnson
Jets - if they lose plax
Eagles if they lose Djax
Chargers - if they lose Vjax
Bears
Broncos - maybe
TexansWhat are the chance that some of these guys trading places or get signed by a team on this list.

Steve Smith didn't look old at all to me when I watched him play (in about 10 games). Heck, I would love for the Texans to sign him.

Corrosion
01-31-2012, 09:05 PM
When does FA start? And how long and what is the process?
A link would be fine.
I'm a little tired and it would help not having to dig for something I know many of you draftniks and FA buffs already know.

Key Dates (http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2012/1/17/2712904/nfl-offseason-schedule-2012) -

Feb. 20 - Teams can begin applying franchise and transition tags to players

March 5 - Deadline for teams to apply franchise and transition tags

March 13 - Free agency begins at 4 p.m.




Jax probably have cap space, does it make sense that they would go after a FA WR?

Thats a good question. There are some pretty good recievers in this FA class ... List Here (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/wr.html).

Several teams are at risk of losing good talent at the position. Any of those teams who lose in FA will likely look to fill those voids early in the draft.

Indy (round2 at the earliest)- Reggie Wayne.
NE - I think they resign Welker.
San Diego - Vincent Jackson. Not real sure what they do as Jackson is a headcase.
Philly - DeSean Jackson
KC - Dwayne Bowe
New Orleans - Marques Colston & Robert Meachem
Buffalo - Steve Johnson
St.Louis - Brandon Lloyd
NY Giants - Mario Manningham
Pittsburgh - Mike Wallace (RFA)

Dutchrudder
01-31-2012, 09:59 PM
What are the chance that some of these guys trading places or get signed by a team on this list.

A good chance of course. Depends on cap issues and such for the teams though. I didn't mention the Saints because they don't pick until the end of the 2nd, but if Colston leaves, they could pick up another WR looking to earn a ring. It's a fluid situation of course :)

Steve Smith didn't look old at all to me when I watched him play (in about 10 games). Heck, I would love for the Texans to sign him.

I don't mean to knock Smith, but he is simply getting old and there is no heir to their #1 WR spot. Same deal as the Texans, AJ is getting old and we have no one to replace him. However, the Texans don't have nearly as many needs across the board, so it's not a given that the Panthers will take a WR in the first two rounds (they don't have a 3rd pick). If I were them, I would go with defense in the 1st and 2nd because their offense did put up a lot of points last year.

76Texan
01-31-2012, 11:01 PM
Appreciate all the infos and inputs.

I guess we'll just have to wait for FA to happen then.

PHAROAH
01-31-2012, 11:41 PM
Alright brethren here is my WR Rankings for the upcoming NFL Draft!!!

1. Justin Blackmon Oklahoma St. 6-1 215 4.55
2. Michael Floyd Notre Dame 6-3 225 4.55
3. Kendall Wright - Baylor 5'11 190 4.35
4. Alshon Jeffery South Carolina 6-4 229 4.60
5. Reuben Randle L.S.U. 6-4 208 4.45
6. Dwight Jones UNC 6'4 220 4.50
7. Joe Adams Arkansas 6'0" 190 4.39
8. Gerrell Robinson Arizona St. 6'3" 215 4.50
9. Tommy Streeter Miami 6'5" 215 4.45
10. Patrick Edwards U of H 5'9' 175 4.35

Brandon420tx
02-01-2012, 12:15 AM
Is receiver their primary need (the teams that you listed) in the first round?

I expect a large number of these teams to take a WR before our second pick. At least the wide receivers we've been wanting

Corrosion
02-01-2012, 01:06 AM
Appreciate all the infos and inputs.

I guess we'll just have to wait for FA to happen then.

Yeah , a lot depends on FA .... and when it comes to the Texans , everything revolves around how they handle MW.


I expect a large number of these teams to take a WR before our second pick. At least the wide receivers we've been wanting

I expect the same from most of those teams with one of their top two picks at this point. But until we get thru FA , its pretty much impossible to figure out what many will do in the draft.

TimeKiller
02-01-2012, 08:43 AM
1. Blackmon
2. Floyd
3. Sanu
4. Jones
5. Wright
6. Randle
7. Jeffry
8. Quick
9. Givens
10. A.J. Jenkins

NastyNate
02-01-2012, 09:32 AM
Alright brethren here is my WR Rankings for the upcoming NFL Draft!!!

1. Justin Blackmon Oklahoma St. 6-1 215 4.55
2. Michael Floyd Notre Dame 6-3 225 4.55
3. Kendall Wright - Baylor 5'11 190 4.35
4. Alshon Jeffery South Carolina 6-4 229 4.60
5. Reuben Randle L.S.U. 6-4 208 4.45
6. Dwight Jones UNC 6'4 220 4.50
7. Joe Adams Arkansas 6'0" 190 4.39
8. Gerrell Robinson Arizona St. 6'3" 215 4.50
9. Tommy Streeter Miami 6'5" 215 4.45
10. Patrick Edwards U of H 5'9' 175 4.35

I'm a big believer in Touchdown Tommy if we can snag him in the 3rd round. Highly coachable, just starting to really use the most of his techniques, and has sick game speed on the vertical route that doesn't necessarily show up in the 40, would be a great deep threat.

beerlover
02-01-2012, 01:38 PM
BL,
Your list is a very good list. I'm interested to know what other draftniks top 5-10 look like.

Your list consists of young Hines Ward and Greg Jennings type WR's.

My List has Jennings/Antonio Brown type WR's. I think one way to quickly improve the ST's is to draft a TY Hilton/Joe Adams/Demps type slot WR that can play outside somme too.

Hopefully Floyd or Jeffrey are there late in the 1st. In the 3rd 4th rd taking a White/Hilton/Adams would be playing with house money. It would take the biggest weakness and turn it into a possible strength.

I'm going to put out a Texans post combine mock soon. Check it out and tell me what you think.

When breaking down WR prospects one thing I look for that I don't see posted enough as an area of strength in a players game is his ability to form a trusted bond with his QB. Chemistry is really, really important especially moving on into the NFL, is how well you work with others, adapt to a system & can be counted on in crunch time. I would throw a lot of measureables away if a specific player has a deficit in this area. Just something to think about SB when evaluating talent that might help you, not that you really need any :)

TimeKiller
02-01-2012, 04:22 PM
I'm a big believer in Touchdown Tommy if we can snag him in the 3rd round. Highly coachable, just starting to really use the most of his techniques, and has sick game speed on the vertical route that doesn't necessarily show up in the 40, would be a great deep threat.

The only video I saw of him he showed himself to be a body catcher. Personally after Jacoby Jones I couldn't bring myself to take another highly athletic, potential-filled body catcher.

NastyNate
02-01-2012, 05:28 PM
The only video I saw of him he showed himself to be a body catcher. Personally after Jacoby Jones I couldn't bring myself to take another highly athletic, potential-filled body catcher.

He will actually go up and get the ball/use his length on a lot of catches, he started displaying this later in the season with more field time. he's really only been a starter one year and the progression has been very measureable. The upside is there, he has a ton of raw talent and the measureables/physical abilities that Rick Smith has been known to look at.

17.6 YPC and 8 TD's in the first true season he played. Those are damn near identical numbers to what Marques Colston did in his senior year.

rmartin65
02-01-2012, 06:26 PM
1) Justin Blackmon
2) Michael Floyd
3) Alshon Jeffery
4) Kendall Wright
5) Ryan Broyles
6) Nick Toon
7) Mohamed Sanu
8) Dwight Jones
9) Marvin McNutt
10) Jordan White

5 small school receivers to watch come draft day-

1) Brian Quick, Appalachian State
2) Thomas Mayo, California (PA)
3) Tim Bedford, Tennessee State
4) Brandon Bostick, Newberry
5) Dale Moss, South Dakota State

badboy
02-01-2012, 07:28 PM
When breaking down WR prospects one thing I look for that I don't see posted enough as an area of strength in a players game is his ability to form a trusted bond with his QB. Chemistry is really, really important especially moving on into the NFL, is how well you work with others, adapt to a system & can be counted on in crunch time. I would throw a lot of measureables away if a specific player has a deficit in this area. Just something to think about SB when evaluating talent that might help you, not that you really need any :)Agreed & why I would not be shocked to see Cleveland choose RG3 and then Wright.

PHAROAH
02-02-2012, 10:42 PM
I love Kendall Wright and I hope the he falls to us he is a game changer supreme and if he is gone then Dwight Jones or Rueben Randall would be my next targets.

76Texan
02-02-2012, 11:09 PM
I haven't been able to watch Baylor much this year (and whatever I saw from the year before I don't seem to recall much), but it seems like Wright lines up in the slot quite a bit. And when he lines up wide, I haven't noticed him running a deep route. But then again, I have only watch a game and a half.

(I did watch more than that, but wasn't concentrating on Wright.)

Can you guys tell me a little more about him?

76Texan
02-02-2012, 11:21 PM
Also, if we're to find somebody to replace AJ in about 4, 5 years what kind of strategy do you think we need to put in place since we probably won't be drafting high in the pecking order.

Dutchrudder
02-02-2012, 11:23 PM
Also, if we're to find somebody to replace AJ in about 4, 5 years what kind of strategy do you think we need to put in place since we probably won't be drafting high in the pecking order.

I like the "Get to the Super Bowl and lure an awesome free agent" strategy. :fingergun:

badboy
02-02-2012, 11:45 PM
I haven't been able to watch Baylor much this year (and whatever I saw from the year before I don't seem to recall much), but it seems like Wright lines up in the slot quite a bit. And when he lines up wide, I haven't noticed him running a deep route. But then again, I have only watch a game and a half.

(I did watch more than that, but wasn't concentrating on Wright.)

Can you guys tell me a little more about him?He is a perfect slot but can be a flanker with his speed. I find him enticing not because he has a litany of deep receptions but how he manages to come down with the ball against larger DBs. He is a very strong player & is difficult to jam at line due to his initial burst & DBs are leery of missing and getting beat. Only two WRs I have rated over Wright are Blackmon and Floyd. Just saw that Mayock has same rating. Jordan White is similar imo although not as fluid or athletic. If we get both those guys as I hope, we will not be drafting WR highly for a while.

badboy
02-02-2012, 11:47 PM
Also, if we're to find somebody to replace AJ in about 4, 5 years what kind of strategy do you think we need to put in place since we probably won't be drafting high in the pecking order.Like Dutchrudder says I fantasize about using money saves from Mario to sign Bowe who appears to be a perfect replacement for AJ.

Dutchrudder
02-02-2012, 11:56 PM
Like Dutchrudder says I fantasize about using money saves from Mario to sign Bowe who appears to be a perfect replacement for AJ.

Bowe would be awesome, but I think he's gonna get franchise tagged. The Chefs don't have anyone else important going into free agency, and Bowe is definitely worth tagging. Even if they can't sign him to a deal, 1 year at 8 or 9 mill is worth it.

76Texan
02-03-2012, 12:06 AM
Like Dutchrudder says I fantasize about using money saves from Mario to sign Bowe who appears to be a perfect replacement for AJ.

How about signing Mario to a long-term real, drafting a #2 WR of the future, an OLB to groom and win the SB with a #1 defense and a top 5-10 offense.

Trade one of the top 3 OLBs for top pick(s) and save money.
Sign a big FA WE in 2013 or trade 2 first rounders for one single higher pick to draft the best WR prospect in 2013?

beerlover
02-03-2012, 01:15 AM
Also, if we're to find somebody to replace AJ in about 4, 5 years what kind of strategy do you think we need to put in place since we probably won't be drafting high in the pecking order.

First off they will never replace Andre Johnson, he is one of a kind.

Here are a couple different routes they could try:

Trade out of first round for future #1 + picks -
New England likes to trade out of 1st in exchange for a lesser teams future 1st which can turn into a top 10 pick where the blue chip WR's reside.

Trade up using own future picks -
This was Falcon strategy to aquire Julio Jones, but to do this required trading away this years first plus other picks as well swapping #1's last year where there was a huge gap between teams. Don't think Rick would opt for this plan as he likes to build team with more picks not less, still there may come a time when the right player makes sense.

Use multiple selections in successive years, as needed -
Could be any combination, 1 & 2 or 2 & 5 then evaluate end of season, balance with possible free agents then revisit need, however the draft falls in relationship with draft grade. This is most probable strategy, but really doubt they can find facsimile of AJ unless very good/lucky in player evaluation.

Andre was a beast in Miami, closest thing in College I've ever seen is Calvin Johnson along with Fitzgerald. A case can be made to throw Blackmon in that elite company as well, dude is a complete WR & stands out from his peers. A discussion I had earlier in week with Obi concerning Rams pick. LT vs WR. In this case IMO the higher grade goes to WR, both are needs so opt for higher grade or BPA.

Corrosion
02-03-2012, 01:30 AM
I haven't been able to watch Baylor much this year (and whatever I saw from the year before I don't seem to recall much), but it seems like Wright lines up in the slot quite a bit. And when he lines up wide, I haven't noticed him running a deep route. But then again, I have only watch a game and a half.

(I did watch more than that, but wasn't concentrating on Wright.)

Can you guys tell me a little more about him?

I think it was against OK that Wright made a circus catch along the sidelines in the endzone lining up wide .... He's got speed , hands and very good route running. If he were a bit bigger , I'd have him rated higher , possibly the best combination of hands and seperation of all the prospects in this draft.

If I were looking for a slot guy - Wright would be my target without question .... But the Texans dont have trouble moving the ball between the 20's where a guy like Wright can help , their troubles are in the redzone. I want a guy who can cause problems in the there , a big target who creates a mismatch with smaller DB's on fades and crossing routes. A guy that you can throw it up and he'll go take it.
For my money , the reciever in this draft that most describes is Alshon Jeffery , second would be Michael Floyd.

Corrosion
02-03-2012, 02:24 AM
First off they will never replace Andre Johnson, he is one of a kind.

Here are a couple different routes they could try:

Trade out of first round for future #1 + picks -
New England likes to trade out of 1st in exchange for a lesser teams future 1st which can turn into a top 10 pick where the blue chip WR's reside.

Trade up using own future picks -
This was Falcon strategy to aquire Julio Jones, but to do this required trading away this years first plus other picks as well swapping #1's last year where there was a huge gap between teams. Don't think Rick would opt for this plan as he likes to build team with more picks not less, still there may come a time when the right player makes sense.

Use multiple selections in successive years, as needed -
Could be any combination, 1 & 2 or 2 & 5 then evaluate end of season, balance with possible free agents then revisit need, however the draft falls in relationship with draft grade. This is most probable strategy, but really doubt they can find facsimile of AJ unless very good/lucky in player evaluation.

Andre was a beast in Miami, closest thing in College I've ever seen is Calvin Johnson along with Fitzgerald. A case can be made to throw Blackmon in that elite company as well, dude is a complete WR & stands out from his peers. A discussion I had earlier in week with Obi concerning Rams pick. LT vs WR. In this case IMO the higher grade goes to WR, both are needs so opt for higher grade or BPA.

Blackmon is a monster ..... in the mold of AJ but with a firey personality. GIVE ME THE ****ing ball! I almost wish he would fall down a flight of stairs or somehting .... so he would fall to the Texans. He's got the physical tools to be a good player but has the intensity and competetive fire to be a great one.


But I agree , AJ is a one of a kind as is Calvin Johnson , totally different types of players who happen to play the same position. You dont replace HOFers .... The best you can hope for is someone to fill a portion of the void left in their wake.

aussie_texan
02-03-2012, 08:24 AM
I only have 2 concerns with wright.

one his size, as corrosion mentioned our main problem is red zone efficiency his not going to help in this regard.

secondly is blocking. kubes loves to have guys on the field who can help i the run game.

other then these 2 points there is no doubt that this kid is a tremendous talent

Maddict5
02-03-2012, 08:00 PM
just to the guys that are talking about bowe. he rarely gets any separation. v good at making difficult catches but thats because he has to... doesnt have the explosiveness or route running to get open that often.

as for the lists of draftees, aj had a piece on reuben randle. i had a look at his highlight vids and while he does body catch a fair bit, he looks explosive and shifty, can make the difficult catches and i presume blocks well like most lsu wrs. hes my choice for wr @ #26 right now

jeffery, sanu and others didnt look nearly as explosive to me anyway

badboy
02-04-2012, 01:00 PM
How about signing Mario to a long-term real, drafting a #2 WR of the future, an OLB to groom and win the SB with a #1 defense and a top 5-10 offense.

Trade one of the top 3 OLBs for top pick(s) and save money.
Sign a big FA WE in 2013 or trade 2 first rounders for one single higher pick to draft the best WR prospect in 2013?1st re-signing Mario is not my main objective but I could deal with it at a rate that allows us cap space. I would eagerly sign Bowe to a AJ type deal (prob more upfront $)& use draft picks received for Williams to add strength to roster. Even with Bowe I'd go after Wright with #26. AJ/Bowe/Wright/Jordan White/Walter looks pretty good to me.

Barwin/Cush/Ryan(prob re-negotiate)/Reed/Vinny Curry

76Texan
02-04-2012, 01:13 PM
How about signing Mario to a long-term real, drafting a #2 WR of the future, an OLB to groom and win the SB with a #1 defense and a top 5-10 offense.

Trade one of the top 3 OLBs for top pick(s) and save money.
Sign a big FA WE in 2013 or trade 2 first rounders for one single higher pick to draft the best WR prospect in 2013?

1st re-signing Mario is not my main objective but I could deal with it at a rate that allows us cap space. I would eagerly sign Bowe to a AJ type deal (prob more upfront $)& use draft picks received for Williams to add strength to roster. Even with Bowe I'd go after Wright with #26. AJ/Bowe/Wright/Jordan White/Walter looks pretty good to me.

Barwin/Cush/Ryan(prob re-negotiate)/Reed/Vinny Curry

You've got to sign Mario before you can trade him.
That's why I brought up that scenario.

With another season for Barwin, Reed, (hopefully Brahman, too) and/or the rookie OLB "we're going to draft this year" to grow up, we can then trade Mario during the next off-season after we win the SB.

Don't forget that my scenario also includes drafting a WR in one of the first two rounds this year.

76Texan
02-04-2012, 01:26 PM
I'm not real high on Blackmon... yet.

He's not on the same level as AJ Green.

I saw him drop 3 passes in two games (A&M and Baylor).
On another play, he made a good move in the red zone to beat the receiver on a quick-out route, but then fumbled the ball on the way to the end zone (resulting in a touch-back as the ball went into the end zone.)
He also caught two TD passes with only one foot in bound.

Dude got tools but he still needs to work on his trade.
I'm not sure I would take him over Julio Jones (I have to watch more of his games first.)

And again, I watched more of Wright (against OK. St. and Wash) and I wasn't overly impressed.
He's a great college slot receiver that benefited from going mostly against 3rd, 4th corners in the Big Twelve (and often, spotty college safety help).
I'm hesitant to draft him in the first two rounds.
(Again, I want to take a closer look at him before I have a final conclusion).

BTW, Ta-'amu (Wash) looked a little better than Nicolas Jean-Baptist (Baylor) but neither was any factor in a high-scoring game like the Valero Bowl.
The concern I have regarding Ta'amu is that why they didn't even play him in half of the short-yardage situations that they (Washington) faced.

badboy
02-04-2012, 04:19 PM
You've got to sign Mario before you can trade him.
That's why I brought up that scenario.

With another season for Barwin, Reed, (hopefully Brahman, too) and/or the rookie OLB "we're going to draft this year" to grow up, we can then trade Mario during the next off-season after we win the SB.

Don't forget that my scenario also includes drafting a WR in one of the first two rounds this year.Mario, we have worked out a trade to New England that gives you a very good contract and a team that went to SB 2011. We hate to have to go against you in playoffs but this is a great deal for you & Texans. Will you do this?

ObsiWan
02-05-2012, 10:21 PM
Mario, we have worked out a trade to New England that gives you a very good contract and a team that went to SB 2011. We hate to have to go against you in playoffs but this is a great deal for you & Texans. Will you do this?

Mario: I want to be a Texan my whole career. I believe the Texans will be a Super Bowl contender next season and I wish to be a part of that.

ummm... just what do we mean by "very good contract? Other than for Brady, the Pats aren't known for opening their checkbook. Plus, Uncle Bob and Buddha Wade both like me. A lot. So why should I leave here?

SAMURAITEXAN
02-05-2012, 10:40 PM
After watching Super Bowl, I want two WRs with size from draft.

76Texan
02-06-2012, 01:14 AM
After watching Super Bowl, I want two WRs with size from draft.

After watching the SB (and almost every single Pats game) I see that Kareem Jackson ahead of McCourty was, is, and will remain the correct call.

The Pats have been playing McCourty more and more at safety.
And they play a lot of cover 2 no matter who is at CB.
It makes the job harder for the front players when they can't bring a safety down to help either the running game or pressuring the QB or playing the TE close to the vest.

In our case, we're OK at CBs for now.

Yeah, I like for us to have a big receiver who can take the hit over the middle.
He should have decent speed to take advantage of certain situation.
I'd like to see more of Lester Jean to see whether his conditioning program was able to help him maintain a little balance of both.

If he can be used in situational situation (goal line, 3rd down) then we may be able to just go with a speedster that doesn't have the size.
I'm just not sure how high in the pecking order should we draft such a guy.

(I'm not sure that Wright qualifies as a true speedster.
I might compare him with Patrick Edwards later - and right now Edwards is flying very low under the radar; some even has him as an UDFA.)

76Texan
02-06-2012, 03:24 AM
I was checking around for footages and news of Patrick Edwards from the Sr. Bowl pracitce and come up with the following.

Edwards managed to beat several CB prospects on the rise (including Janoris Jenkins - Fla/N.Alabama, Brandon Boykins - Ga, - Casey Hayward - Vandy, and Dwight Bently - La Lafayette).

The following footages did not show when Edwards beat Jenkins; they only show the other 3 prospects. But I read that Edwards beat several CBs. He did have a couple of drops on the first day of practice (after he had beaten the CBs) but overall for the 3 days he made some "impressive catches".
Too bad, he pulled a hamstring and didn't play in the Senior Bowl.

He will be at the combine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqxQkySHk6A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ame-J9iqZ8&feature=related

Edwards was in red UH uni #83
Unofficially, Wright (Baylor) is .02 faster in the 40 (which hardly means anything).

I went through the CBSSports top 500 list for the 2012 and 2013 drafts and the schedules for UH and Baylor.

Edwards actually faced more DB prospects and future prospects than Wright.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-06-2012, 04:27 AM
I was checking around for footages and news of Patrick Edwards from the Sr. Bowl pracitce and come up with the following.

Edwards managed to beat several CB prospects on the rise (including Janoris Jenkins - Fla/N.Alabama, Brandon Boykins - Ga, - Casey Hayward - Vandy, and Dwight Bently - La Lafayette).

The following footages did not show when Edwards beat Jenkins; they only show the other 3 prospects. But I read that Edwards beat several CBs. He did have a couple of drops on the first day of practice (after he had beaten the CBs) but overall for the 3 days he made some "impressive catches".
Too bad, he pulled a hamstring and didn't play in the Senior Bowl.

He will be at the combine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqxQkySHk6A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ame-J9iqZ8&feature=related

Edwards was in red UH uni #83
Unofficially, Wright (Baylor) is .02 faster in the 40 (which hardly means anything).

I went through the CBSSports top 500 list for the 2012 and 2013 drafts and the schedules for UH and Baylor.

Edwards actually faced more DB prospects and future prospects than Wright.
76Texan, thanks for info. I was too thinking about size and speed of WR. However, we maybe caught up and paying attention to speed portion too much. I think, WR who is already gifted with size and know how to utilize his size to advantage such as physical strength, maneuverability, leaping ability should be enough to separate himself to the opponents. Brandon Marshall clocked low 4.5 if I recall correctly. Of course, speed is definite advantage however, it also can be misread if we heavily focus on speed as most passing play is done no more than 30 yds (not include yds after catch but purely passing yds). So, what makes great WRs to separate their selves from opponents? This is where I think physical mismatch comes into play and whomever utilize his gifted size advantage may have better chance to success in the NFL. So I think, 4.4- 4.5 guys are decent enough for us to take a good look. Obviously, I ain't no expert so I don't exactly know how to evaluate player but things like Burst, Quickness, Leaping, Hands, Route, Physical strength also needed to be consider. I am so hooked on WR position like many of the fans here and more I think about the position more confused I get.

Rey
02-06-2012, 09:18 AM
If I were looking for a slot guy - Wright would be my target without question .... But the Texans dont have trouble moving the ball between the 20's where a guy like Wright can help , their troubles are in the redzone. I want a guy who can cause problems in the there , a big target who creates a mismatch with smaller DB's on fades and crossing routes. A guy that you can throw it up and he'll go take it.
For my money , the reciever in this draft that most describes is Alshon Jeffery , second would be Michael Floyd.

We need the best player. Not a guy who just helps in the red zone.

All we've had are big WR's...Andre, Kevin, Jacoby...Hell, B.Johnson isn't small. Lestar Jean has a chance to stick next year and he isn't small.

OD is not really small...He's 6'3"...Dreesen is 6'4" and is a good box out jump up and catch the ball guy.

How often have we thrown the fade route to Andre? How often have we used Kevin Walters Big body in the EZ?

Even if we aren't throwing the jump ball type of passes, how often have you seen the back shoulder throw from a QB on the Texans roster?

The Texans have plenty of big targets. Hell, in fact that's pretty much all we've had. We don't utilize their size very often. The QB's need to improve on their redzone passing because we've been pretty mediocre at it. Our best RZ weapon has been Arian by far.

Id rather have a smaller more skilled guy than a bigger less skilled guy.

I would be happy with any of those top 4 or 5 receivers, but I would actually trade up for Wright if I had the chance.

Wright would not only help take pressure off of AJ, he'd also help take pressure off of OD in the middle of the field.

NastyNate
02-09-2012, 12:38 PM
We need the best player. Not a guy who just helps in the red zone.

All we've had are big WR's...Andre, Kevin, Jacoby...Hell, B.Johnson isn't small. Lestar Jean has a chance to stick next year and he isn't small.

OD is not really small...He's 6'3"...Dreesen is 6'4" and is a good box out jump up and catch the ball guy.

How often have we thrown the fade route to Andre? How often have we used Kevin Walters Big body in the EZ?

Even if we aren't throwing the jump ball type of passes, how often have you seen the back shoulder throw from a QB on the Texans roster?

The Texans have plenty of big targets. Hell, in fact that's pretty much all we've had. We don't utilize their size very often. The QB's need to improve on their redzone passing because we've been pretty mediocre at it. Our best RZ weapon has been Arian by far.

Id rather have a smaller more skilled guy than a bigger less skilled guy.

I would be happy with any of those top 4 or 5 receivers, but I would actually trade up for Wright if I had the chance.

Wright would not only help take pressure off of AJ, he'd also help take pressure off of OD in the middle of the field.

You have to look at what makes us successful as an offense though, and that all starts with a run oriented offense. 5'11" speedsters aren't typically known for their upfield 1 on 1 blocking skills.

steelbtexan
02-09-2012, 02:03 PM
You have to look at what makes us successful as an offense though, and that all starts with a run oriented offense. 5'11" speedsters aren't typically known for their upfield 1 on 1 blocking skills.

This is why LZ's mock pick Randle inyrigues me.

He's big, dont know how fast Randle is but he was the Tigers best deep threat. He also is a very good blocker.

Randle kinda reminds me of Reggie Wayne.

NastyNate
02-09-2012, 04:24 PM
This is why LZ's mock pick Randle inyrigues me.

He's big, dont know how fast Randle is but he was the Tigers best deep threat. He also is a very good blocker.

Randle kinda reminds me of Reggie Wayne.

That's also why I like Ladarius Green (I know, TE) and Streeter in the 3rd if we trade away our first round pick after ILB/OLB in the first. 6'6" and 6'5" respectively.

Nate

Allstar
02-10-2012, 01:31 AM
If Wright runs a low 4.3 forty, we can all assume he wont be there at 26, right?

beerlover
02-10-2012, 03:23 AM
If Wright runs a low 4.3 forty, we can all assume he wont be there at 26, right?

anything sub 4.4 there is a high probability he's off the board by 26, yes.

Dutchrudder
02-10-2012, 10:15 AM
anything sub 4.4 there is a high probability he's off the board by 26, yes.

But the Raiders don't have a 1st round pick!

:kitten:

Rey
02-10-2012, 10:21 AM
You have to look at what makes us successful as an offense though, and that all starts with a run oriented offense. 5'11" speedsters aren't typically known for their upfield 1 on 1 blocking skills.

Kubiak had no problem putting David Anderson on the field.

And Wright is pretty physical and a willing blocker. Most CB's aren't 6'3" so it's not like he'll be blocking a lot of guys way bigger than him.

And besides all that, I'll take a receiver that is a better receiver everyday over a receiver that is a better blocker. Blocking as a receiver is all about effort and willingness.

badboy
02-10-2012, 11:12 AM
Mario: I want to be a Texan my whole career. I believe the Texans will be a Super Bowl contender next season and I wish to be a part of that.

ummm... just what do we mean by "very good contract? Other than for Brady, the Pats aren't known for opening their checkbook. Plus, Uncle Bob and Buddha Wade both like me. A lot. So why should I leave here?

5 years: @ $20m up front bonus ($4m per year for cap) $60m salary -$20m (bonus)= $40m = $8m salary + $4m bonus prorated= $12m avg year. Set up first two years low but guaranteed and back end remainder due to 2013 TV money raising cap tremendously.

badboy
02-10-2012, 11:28 AM
After watching the SB (and almost every single Pats game) I see that Kareem Jackson ahead of McCourty was, is, and will remain the correct call.

The Pats have been playing McCourty more and more at safety.
And they play a lot of cover 2 no matter who is at CB.
It makes the job harder for the front players when they can't bring a safety down to help either the running game or pressuring the QB or playing the TE close to the vest.

In our case, we're OK at CBs for now.

Yeah, I like for us to have a big receiver who can take the hit over the middle.
He should have decent speed to take advantage of certain situation.
I'd like to see more of Lester Jean to see whether his conditioning program was able to help him maintain a little balance of both.

If he can be used in situational situation (goal line, 3rd down) then we may be able to just go with a speedster that doesn't have the size.
I'm just not sure how high in the pecking order should we draft such a guy.

(I'm not sure that Wright qualifies as a true speedster.
I might compare him with Patrick Edwards later - and right now Edwards is flying very low under the radar; some even has him as an UDFA.)Kendall Wright has an unofficial 4.39 40; what do you consider "speedster"?

76Texan
02-10-2012, 07:04 PM
Kendall Wright has an unofficial 4.39 40; what do you consider "speedster"?

I saw that nfldratscout, for example, had him run an average of 4.42 which is a little faster Edwards 4.44

Donnie Avery 4.43 (combine) and 4.34 (pro day) was drafted early in the second.

Torrey Smith 4.41 (combine) (stood at his pro day) was drafted in the second round.

Avery stand 5-11;
Smith stands 6-1

Until something becomes official, that's what I would go with.

badboy
02-10-2012, 09:37 PM
You have to look at what makes us successful as an offense though, and that all starts with a run oriented offense. 5'11" speedsters aren't typically known for their upfield 1 on 1 blocking skills.Wright comes from a non running offense so can you or anyone say for certain what kind of blocker he could be. If he is taking a corner and a safety deep does he have to block often in our D?

badboy
02-10-2012, 09:41 PM
I saw that nfldratscout, for example, had him run an average of 4.42 which is a little faster Edwards 4.44

Donnie Avery 4.43 (combine) and 4.34 (pro day) was drafted early in the second.

Torrey Smith 4.41 (combine) (stood at his pro day) was drafted in the second round.

Avery stand 5-11;
Smith stands 6-1

Until something becomes official, that's what I would go with.Well you compared speed with Wright why did you not compare stats? I'm sure Avery & Smith were pretty close to Kendall's?

76Texan
02-10-2012, 11:07 PM
Well you compared speed with Wright why did you not compare stats? I'm sure Avery & Smith were pretty close to Kendall's?

I don't want to compare stats because different teams build their offense differently. Even the same team may have different looks from year to year because of change in personnel. And they face different opponents.

If we were to compare stats, I could have pulled up Edwards numbers and compare it to Wright.

Edwards: 89 catches 1752 yards 20 TDs

Wright: 108 catches 1663 yards 14 TDs

Who had a better season?


Edwards 48 games
291 catches 4507 yards 43 TDs

Wright 50 games
302 catches 4004 yards 30 TDs

Who had a better collegiate career?


More important, however, were the followings:

Remember I had noted that Edwards faced more draftable DBs (based upon CBSSports top 500 for 2012 and 2013) which more or less offset the overall level of competition.

Note also that I had at least did a game breakdown (UH vs S.Miss where the Golden Eagles game-planned as not to let Edwards beat them deep.)

Did you notice the competition do the same with Wright?
Did you ever see a team put a "triple-team" (basically a zone, but with emphasis on the main receiver) on Wright like the Golden Eagles put on Edwards?

Certainly not the Cowboys from Okl. St. (lots of cover one).
I don't think I see it from the Aggies, the Sooners nor the Huskies from Washington either.

Not saying that every team planned to take Edwards off the game like So Miss did.

In general though, I must say that teams were playing a lot more cover 2 against the Cougars as opposed to the Bears (from the games I've reviewed so far - the 4 games mentioned above plus the Rice game.)

badboy
02-10-2012, 11:20 PM
76 I think you make my point as Wright is a speedster and his stats are much better than others who are bigger. Edwards would have done well in the Oilers Run & SHoot

76Texan
02-11-2012, 01:03 AM
76 I think you make my point as Wright is a speedster and his stats are much better than others who are bigger. Edwards would have done well in the Oilers Run & SHoot


The Cougars and the Bears offense are not all that diifferent, especially in the passing game.
Many of the same formations.
TCU (Dalton) and Okl. St. (Weeden) are also quite similar.

Keenum had played under Art Briles as well as one of the co-OC Jason Philips (who was a receiver.)

They all start with the shotgun spread.
They all could have one or two, sometimes 3 backs (besides the QB) in the backfield.
The money is still made out of the spread.
And by spreading, I mean spreading the field horizontally, not vertically.

The Coogs also incorporated some of Dana Holgorsen's Air Raid (Texas Tech) into their playbook (Holgorsen also spent time at Okl St.)
Klif Kingsbury who played QB at TT joined the Coogs in 2010 as a co-OC with Jason Phillips.
Klingsbury will follow Sumlin to A&M as the OC; Phillips will go to SMU.
So perhaps next year, you can call A&M offense as the run and shoot if you're so inclined.

Baylor and TCU will go under Center from time to time, but mostly to run in short yardage (obviously to make it work, they have to mix in the pass once in a long while.)



Edwards can do very well in NE; he can also do well in Houston with the Texans.
He's not bad at all in run blocking.
A spread receiver still has to do a good share of blocking.
I even saw Edwards throw a CB into the ground.
I saw him engaging in some pretty good fights.
(David Anderson was pretty good for his size, too.)

I haven't really focused on Wright's blocking, but I don't think he was bad either.

...

In summary, I think I know your point, but I'm not quite sure;
it seems like you leverage a few things I point out to make a better case for your points (which is all good).

My point is that even as a Coogs homer, I still have to balance out Edwards size/skill sets and try to see (as objectively as I can) whether he can have a good future in the NFL. Even as I've seen him many times and I know what he can do, I still have to try to study him as a scout, rather than as a homer.

I have to consider his physical limitation; whether he can compensate for his size by doing this and this and that.

I did the same for Avery; I had my reservation about where he was drafted.
I was glad for Avery as I was glad for Routt (another Cougar) when he got the big contract from the Raiders (Routt ran some 4.29 if I recall it right). You haven't heard me saying that Routt is the best CB out there, have you?


A few years back, I did note that Routt was the one who chased down Jacoby Jones on a return and stopped him a hair from a TD.
I knew he (Routt) has speed; you never heard from me that he was a great CB.

beerlover
02-11-2012, 02:23 AM
The Cougars and the Bears offense are not all that diifferent, especially in the passing game.
Many of the same formations.
TCU (Dalton) and Okl. St. (Weeden) are also quite similar.

Keenum had played under Art Briles as well as one of the co-OC Jason Philips (who was a receiver.)

They all start with the shotgun spread.
They all could have one or two, sometimes 3 backs (besides the QB) in the backfield.
The money is still made out of the spread.
And by spreading, I mean spreading the field horizontally, not vertically.

The Coogs also incorporated some of Dana Holgorsen's Air Raid (Texas Tech) into their playbook (Holgorsen also spent time at Okl St.)
Klif Kingsbury who played QB at TT joined the Coogs in 2010 as a co-OC with Jason Phillips.
Klingsbury will follow Sumlin to A&M as the OC; Phillips will go to SMU.
So perhaps next year, you can call A&M offense as the run and shoot if you're so inclined.

Baylor and TCU will go under Center from time to time, but mostly to run in short yardage (obviously to make it work, they have to mix in the pass once in a long while.)



Edwards can do very well in NE; he can also do well in Houston with the Texans.
He's not bad at all in run blocking.
A spread receiver still has to do a good share of blocking.
I even saw Edwards throw a CB into the ground.
I saw him engaging in some pretty good fights.
(David Anderson was pretty good for his size, too.)

I haven't really focused on Wright's blocking, but I don't think he was bad either.

...

In summary, I think I know your point, but I'm not quite sure;
it seems like you leverage a few things I point out to make a better case for your points (which is all good).

My point is that even as a Coogs homer, I still have to balance out Edwards size/skill sets and try to see (as objectively as I can) whether he can have a good future in the NFL. Even as I've seen him many times and I know what he can do, I still have to try to study him as a scout, rather than as a homer.

I have to consider his physical limitation; whether he can compensate for his size by doing this and this and that.

I did the same for Avery; I had my reservation about where he was drafted.
I was glad for Avery as I was glad for Routt (another Cougar) when he got the big contract from the Raiders (Routt ran some 4.29 if I recall it right). You haven't heard me saying that Routt is the best CB out there, have you?


A few years back, I did note that Routt was the one who chased down Jacoby Jones on a return and stopped him a hair from a TD.
I knew he (Routt) has speed; you never heard from me that he was a great CB.

This is a good example of why NFL teams have scouts spread across the country to cover specific areas, they become expert on talent within that area. 76 has the makings of a very good scout, if he could leave :homer: out of it?

Corrosion
02-13-2012, 05:55 PM
Curious where you guy's have DeVier Posey from Ohio State ranked. Dont see him on anyone's list.


Has good size , speed and seperation ..... Could likely be had in the 3rd or 4th rounds.

steelbtexan
02-13-2012, 09:11 PM
Curious where you guy's have DeVier Posey from Ohio State ranked. Dont see him on anyone's list.


Has good size , speed and seperation ..... Could likely be had in the 3rd or 4th rounds.

His hands are suspect. He had a terrible Sr. Bowl week.

Late rd pick because of the qualities you lisyed above.

badboy
02-13-2012, 10:21 PM
The Cougars and the Bears offense are not all that diifferent, especially in the passing game.
Many of the same formations.
TCU (Dalton) and Okl. St. (Weeden) are also quite similar.

Keenum had played under Art Briles as well as one of the co-OC Jason Philips (who was a receiver.)

They all start with the shotgun spread.
They all could have one or two, sometimes 3 backs (besides the QB) in the backfield.
The money is still made out of the spread.
And by spreading, I mean spreading the field horizontally, not vertically.

The Coogs also incorporated some of Dana Holgorsen's Air Raid (Texas Tech) into their playbook (Holgorsen also spent time at Okl St.)
Klif Kingsbury who played QB at TT joined the Coogs in 2010 as a co-OC with Jason Phillips.
Klingsbury will follow Sumlin to A&M as the OC; Phillips will go to SMU.
So perhaps next year, you can call A&M offense as the run and shoot if you're so inclined.

Baylor and TCU will go under Center from time to time, but mostly to run in short yardage (obviously to make it work, they have to mix in the pass once in a long while.)



Edwards can do very well in NE; he can also do well in Houston with the Texans.
He's not bad at all in run blocking.
A spread receiver still has to do a good share of blocking.
I even saw Edwards throw a CB into the ground.
I saw him engaging in some pretty good fights.
(David Anderson was pretty good for his size, too.)

I haven't really focused on Wright's blocking, but I don't think he was bad either.

...

In summary, I think I know your point, but I'm not quite sure;
it seems like you leverage a few things I point out to make a better case for your points (which is all good).

My point is that even as a Coogs homer, I still have to balance out Edwards size/skill sets and try to see (as objectively as I can) whether he can have a good future in the NFL. Even as I've seen him many times and I know what he can do, I still have to try to study him as a scout, rather than as a homer.

I have to consider his physical limitation; whether he can compensate for his size by doing this and this and that.

I did the same for Avery; I had my reservation about where he was drafted.
I was glad for Avery as I was glad for Routt (another Cougar) when he got the big contract from the Raiders (Routt ran some 4.29 if I recall it right). You haven't heard me saying that Routt is the best CB out there, have you?


A few years back, I did note that Routt was the one who chased down Jacoby Jones on a return and stopped him a hair from a TD.
I knew he (Routt) has speed; you never heard from me that he was a great CB.76, my point was you posted this at #58:
(I'm not sure that Wright qualifies as a true speedster.
I might compare him with Patrick Edwards later - and right now Edwards is flying very low under the radar; some even has him as an UDFA.)

I responded that he had run an unofficial 4.39 and that should identify him as a speedster. I have not read one evaluation that does not mention his speed and ability to go deep.

Corrosion
02-15-2012, 01:53 PM
His hands are suspect. He had a terrible Sr. Bowl week.

Late rd pick because of the qualities you lisyed above.

I happened to see him doing some drills recently .... his hands looked pretty damn good to me. Always caught the ball out away from his body and at its highest point pulling it in secure .... Also made some "highlight reel" catches , I came away impressed to say the least.


Didnt see the Sr Bowl or its practices .....

b0ng
02-15-2012, 08:31 PM
St.Louis @ 2 may
Cleveland @ 4 or 22
I could see Jax taking one at 7 depending upon how they rate them and who's available.
Philly might @ 15 depending on the status of DeSean Jackson in FA.

Other than that I dont see a team with a real dire need at WR and I doubt all of those teams take one .... Then again maybe a team not listed thinks they find value at the position and un-expectedly takes one.


I would be real tempted to trade up for one of the top 3 - Justin Blackmon,
Michael Floyd or Alshon Jeffery in the mid teens should they still be on the board.

Vikings have garbage at WR, Browns have garbage WR's, Chicago has nothing at WR, Bills may be losing Johnson, Miami may be getting rid of Marshall. There's a lot of teams that could pick a WR higher than said WR might be slated to go.