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DX-TEX
01-29-2012, 08:47 PM
http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1_17-32.asp

Rookie T.J. Yates performed admirably and has a future with the Texans . . . but no NFL team can prosper with their top 2 QB's on IR! Starters Duane Brown (LOT) and Eric Winston (ROT) have all the impact of swinging doors in pass protection: Brown should move inside to his natural position of OG and Winston should battle 2011 draft choice Derek Newton for LOT, ultimately losing and becoming back-up swing tackle

:kubepalm::wadepalm:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/DuoPalm.jpg

thunderkyss
01-29-2012, 09:11 PM
http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1_17-32.asp



:kubepalm::wadepalm:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/DuoPalm.jpg

Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing.

We should call E. Salaam out of retirement for the 2012 season. Trade out of the first round this year, collect two first for next.... then maybe we can have a shot @ trading up next year & snagging an elite LT.

:sarcasm:

Seegara
01-29-2012, 09:12 PM
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.

ObsiWan
01-29-2012, 09:13 PM
http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1_17-32.asp



:kubepalm::wadepalm:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/MechDX/DuoPalm.jpg

You should un-bookmark this site immediately. They don't have us taking a WR until the 3rd round.

TexanSam
01-29-2012, 09:13 PM
Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing.

We should call E. Salaam out of retirement for the 2012 season. Trade out of the first round this year, collect two first for next.... then maybe we can have a shot @ trading up next year & snagging an elite LT.

:sarcasm:

What are Seth Wand and Victor Riley up to these days?

DX-TEX
01-29-2012, 09:16 PM
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.

Neg repped

eriadoc
01-29-2012, 09:26 PM
Duane Brown was one of the top 3 left tackles in football this year, and anyone who thinks he shouldn't be there is a nidiot.

badboy
01-29-2012, 09:31 PM
Wait a minute. Have not people on this very MB complained about Winston & suggested he move inside? Brown is quietly getting job done so he is wrong there. I am satisifed with both OTs but whoever this is has the right to voice his opinion and give us material to discuss.

Carr Bombed
01-29-2012, 09:31 PM
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.

:kubepalm: What the hell are you talking about?


I hope this is sarcasm... It IS sarcasm right?

thunderkyss
01-29-2012, 09:37 PM
Wait a minute. Have not people on this very MB complained about Winston & suggested he move inside? Brown is quietly getting job done so he is wrong there. I am satisifed with both OTs but whoever this is has the right to voice his opinion and give us material to discuss.

Being satisfied with both OTs is a plausible opinion.

Moving Winston inside... plausible.

Moving Brown inside & Eric to the Left side


laughable.

TEXANRED
01-29-2012, 09:39 PM
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.

Brown was a beast this year. IIRC he went 10 or 11 straight games without giving up a sack plus he was a monster in the run game. And anybody who can break the eye socket a player that is wearing a helmet is one bad dude.

Now if you are talking to me about Eric Winston, well, he has a real nice future in radio. But that is my opinion.

Two QB's on IR looks bad but when one of those QB's happens to be Mr. Glass (C'mon now, in 6 years as a starter he has only finished 3 seasons without ending up on the IR list or missed half a season) and the other injury was an awkward fall on the shoulder, you can't blame that on the O-line.

Wasn't our OLine praised as one of the NFL's elite offensive lines?

Neg repped

You didn't really give neg rep to a guy just because he has a different point of view than you did ya?

badboy
01-29-2012, 09:40 PM
Being satisfied with both OTs is a plausible opinion.

Moving Winston inside... plausible.

Moving Brown inside & Eric to the Left side
laughable.

Agreed but we have seen many posts about drafting or signing LT FA and moving Brown to LG, right? There have been suggestions to move both OTs inside, right?

Jackie Chiles
01-29-2012, 09:48 PM
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.

2012 called, it would like you and the idiot that has us taking an offensive tackle in round 1 to come on down from the distant past of 2008. Can't believe this post, very funny stuff, seriously.

Texan_Bill
01-29-2012, 09:58 PM
:kubepalm: What the hell are you talking about?


I hope this is sarcasm... It IS sarcasm right?

I'm almost positive it was sarcasm.. I think some noobs don't know how to use the :sarcasm: smiley...

Just sayin'!

Texn4life
01-29-2012, 10:00 PM
All this shows me is that any dummy can create a website and talk about the draft. It also shows that he hasn't truly watched the Texans this past year if he thinks Duane Brown was a weakness on the team. Maybe he should ask Terrell Suggs if he thinks Brown is a poor Left Tackle.

The Cush
01-29-2012, 10:10 PM
I'm just going to sidestep the outlandish, "Duane Brown is a revolving door at LT" (who, depending on who was keeping stats may have given up at most 2 sacks all of last year and at the very least zero while also having zero holding penalties) comment and move on to his other suggestion they make that proves this insider is a complete idiot.

He thinks Eric Winston should battle Derek freaking Newton to play LT, and predicts that Mr. 7th round/pretty much only played in goal line sets Newton will beat him out regulating Winston, a Pro-Bowl caliber tackle to the bench?!

If you look at all the other picks, it has a guy's named signed after each pick analysis. This gem of information doesn't have anyones name attached to it.

The Cush
01-29-2012, 10:12 PM
LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer.

Wade Smith is 30 years old. Are you expecting him to retire at 31?

Texan_Bill
01-29-2012, 10:18 PM
All this shows me is that any dummy can create and website and talk about the draft. It also shows that he hasn't truly watched the Texans this past year if he thinks Duane Brown was a weakness on the team. Maybe he should ask Terrell Suggs if he thinks Brown is a poor Left Tackle.

:clap:

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http://optimisttheatre.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/applause1234363884.gif

Seegara
01-29-2012, 10:23 PM
Neg repped ???
What does this mean?

Of course if Brown were moved inside we would have to find another LT in the draft of FA.

badboy
01-29-2012, 10:24 PM
Wade Smith is 30 years old. Are you expecting him to retire at 31?Smith is signed thru 2013 & we do need to start working on a replacement for the then 33 year old.

Carr Bombed
01-29-2012, 10:31 PM
What does this mean?

Of course if Brown were moved inside we would have to find another LT in the draft of FA.

Why in the hell would we move a elite young LT inside? :kubepalm: (you're killing Kubes here)

The Cush
01-29-2012, 10:32 PM
Smith is signed thru 2013 & we do need to start working on a replacement for the then 33 year old.

I agree with that, but the post I was replying to made it seem like he's some old man that's on his last legs

badboy
01-29-2012, 10:34 PM
Just giving information and imo Wade is our weakest link on Oline. Do you agree?

Texn4life
01-29-2012, 10:38 PM
Just giving information and imo Wade is our weakest link on Oline. Do you agree?

I would say that's fair. Winston was a close 2nd for most of the year though. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he was pretty good the 3 years before this. He'll have to bounce back and show he can play more consistent against speed rushers this year.

Texan_Bill
01-29-2012, 10:38 PM
What does this mean?

Of course if Brown were moved inside we would have to find another LT in the draft of FA.

While I'm a person that generally does not encourage "negative reps", they pretty much means your "take" sucked and pissed some people off!! Just sayin'!!


That said, I think neg reppin' people is kinda gay!! :wadepalm:

thunderkyss
01-29-2012, 10:39 PM
Just giving information and imo Wade is our weakest link on Oline. Do you agree?

In 2011, yes. 2010 he was a stud.

Did he lose a step? Is he nursing a high ankle sprain? was his wife mess'n around?

I don't know what led to the 2011 performance, but yes, that position needs to be upgraded based on last year's performance.

Carr Bombed
01-29-2012, 10:39 PM
I'm just going to sidestep the outlandish, "Duane Brown is a revolving door at LT" (who, depending on who was keeping stats may have given up at most 2 sacks all of last year and at the very least zero while also having zero holding penalties) comment and move on to his other suggestion they make that proves this insider is a complete idiot.

He thinks Eric Winston should battle Derek freaking Newton to play LT, and predicts that Mr. 7th round/pretty much only played in goal line sets Newton will beat him out regulating Winston, a Pro-Bowl caliber tackle to the bench?!

If you look at all the other picks, it has a guy's named signed after each pick analysis. This gem of information doesn't have anyones name attached to it.

It's "long ball" and I already sent him a email. If you click on the "contact us" tab.. You'll notice that "long ball" covers the Cowboys & Texans. Nobody signed their name to the cowboys picks either, so I'm assuming it's the same person. My guess is we have a jackass Cowboys fan trying to pretend that he has a clue about about our team or our players. I bet he hasn't even watched more than a handful of games...if he's even done that.

They need to find someone how has a remote clue about the Texans, because he's destroying the credibility of that site.

The Cush
01-29-2012, 10:41 PM
Just giving information and imo Wade is our weakest link on Oline. Do you agree?

He had a down year after a really good 2010 but I would have to agree. Both guard positions can be upgraded and I'm totally fine with drafting an offensive lineman in the first round. It wouldn't be my first option but I wouldn't be upset with it.

Texan_Bill
01-29-2012, 10:41 PM
What does this mean?

Of course if Brown were moved inside we would have to find another LT in the draft of FA.

:gun:

Here's the reason that I don't hang out here nearly as often as I used to...

badboy
01-29-2012, 10:43 PM
In 2011, yes. 2010 he was a stud.

Did he lose a step? Is he nursing a high ankle sprain? was his wife mess'n around?

I don't know what led to the 2011 performance, but yes, that position needs to be upgraded based on last year's performance.It's good we have the chance to upgrade one of the best Olines in NFL; that alone says we are moving in correct direction.

The Cush
01-29-2012, 10:46 PM
It's "long ball" and I already sent him a email. If you click on the "contact us" tab.. You'll notice that "long ball" covers the Cowboys & Texans. Nobody signed their name to the cowboys picks either, so I'm assuming it's the same person. My guess is we have a jackass Cowboys fan trying to pretend that he has a clue about about our team or our players. I bet he hasn't even watched more than a handful of games...if he's even done that.

They need to find someone how has a remote clue about the Texans, because he's destroying the credibility of that site.

I'm glad you emailed him, I signed up and trolled out a post in their forums. After reading that analysis, I immediately thought the website has zero credibility. I mean, they want us to start a rookie at right tackle and Derek Newton to at left tackle next year?!

Seegara
01-29-2012, 10:48 PM
I would say that's fair. Winston was a close 2nd for most of the year though. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he was pretty good the 3 years before this. He'll have to bounce back and show he can play more consistent against speed rushers this year.
Correct. By the same token, Brown has been lousy in pass blocking up until this season, and some contributors are now ready to make a hero out of him.

Texn4life
01-29-2012, 10:52 PM
Correct. By the same token, Brown has been lousy in pass blocking up until this season, and some contributors are now ready to make a hero out of him.

Lousy? I'm really not sure if you're serious or not. The guy went from playing Tight End in college to blocking against the best pass rushers in the league starting off as a rookie. Anyone who expected him to dominate right off the bat was fooling themselves. He has progressed exactly like Gibbs said he would in this system and gotten much better every year. Now he's a top 3 LT in my book.

For the record I watched every Jets game for the past 2 years and I can tell you that Ferguson has been much worse than Duane Brown for the past 2 years. He's maybe the most overrated LT in the entire league in my opinion.

Jackie Chiles
01-29-2012, 10:53 PM
Correct. By the same token, Brown has been lousy in pass blocking up until this season, and some contributors are now ready to make a hero out of him.

So you honestly believe it is more likely we will see Duane regress as opposed to the alternative of him finally arriving as an elite LT? Did you write the analysis on that site or something?

SW H-TOWN
01-29-2012, 10:54 PM
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.

As a Texans fan who joined this board I assume that you watch the games. I will not attack someone personally behind the internet but this has to be a joke. If you watch the games I do not know how you can say that Brown should be moved inside to guard. Did you watch the Ravens game? SUGGS WAS A NON FACTOR, THE SAME SUGGS WHO REGISTERED 14 SACKS AND 70 TACKLES DURING THE REGULAR SEASON. If I knew how to negative rep you I would. This has to be a joke. I think that most GM's and scouts would agree that Brown was a top 5 LT this year. The guy who came up with that draft is.....he does not watch Texans games.

Carr Bombed
01-29-2012, 10:56 PM
Correct. By the same token, Brown has been lousy in pass blocking up until this season, and some contributors are now ready to make a hero out of him.

Lousy huh?

http://yesnetwork.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8803&team=34

Dude only has 1 holding penalty in his entire career.. Get a freaking clue. There isn't a face palm emoticon that could do this post justice, so I'll not even bother posting one.

False Start
01-29-2012, 10:58 PM
:gun:

Here's the reason that I don't hang out here nearly as often as I used to...

Welcome to...the .com zone...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/df/TheTwilightZoneLogo.png/250px-TheTwilightZoneLogo.png

D Brown was excellent this season. I just don't know what to say about this excuse for "journalism." :kubepalm:

Seegara
01-29-2012, 11:00 PM
Lousy? I'm really not sure if you're serious or not. The guy went from playing Tight End in college to blocking against the best pass rushers in the league starting off as a rookie. Anyone who expected him to dominate right off the bat was fooling themselves. He has progressed exactly like Gibbs said he would in this system and gotten much better every year. Now he's a top 3 LT in my book.

For the record I watched every Jets game for the past 2 years and I can tell you that Ferguson has been much worse than Duane Brown for the past 2 years. He's maybe the most overrated LT in the entire league in my opinion.
Then I must have been wrong.

Texn4life
01-29-2012, 11:03 PM
Then I must have been wrong.

I prefer the term disillusioned.

The Cush
01-29-2012, 11:03 PM
Seegara joined Jan. 2012, maybe he's the "journalist" from this "website"

Allstar
01-29-2012, 11:04 PM
Then I must have been wrong.

http://www.ameritalent.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Ding-Ding-DingGraphic.jpg

SW H-TOWN
01-29-2012, 11:07 PM
Then I must have been wrong.

This has to be the same guy that from drafttek.com, there is no other explanation. No way anybody who watches the games could ever come to this conclusion. That would be like saying guys, we need to move # 24 to FS. He is not good at man coverage and Torrey Smith owned him in the playoffs.

Texanmike02
01-29-2012, 11:27 PM
I would love for us to draft a tackle that was so good that it forced brown to move inside. I don't see it happening but that would easily make this the best line in the league for the next 5-10 years.

Moving Winston? I'm not really sold on the idea. As long as we don't have a southpaw playing QB I'm fine with him.

Mike

EllisUnit
01-29-2012, 11:27 PM
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.

now i see why ur rep is negative. i wont add to it, but really. Schaub went down on a 4th and one play to where it was a QB sneak trying to get the first down, and Haynesworth fell on his foot. Haynesworth is a NT, so how is that on Duane or Winston, and Leinart is just fragile.

Sorry but we have one of the best O-Lines in football and they do a damn good job of keeping our QBs upright.

Carr Bombed
01-29-2012, 11:47 PM
LMAO! I already got a response back from "Mr. Long ball".

Gentlemen, despite the tone of your e-mails, thank you for visiting Drafttek and we do answer all questions and comments from our visitors. Yes, WR is a need for the Texans roster (as a matter of fact, this week's CMD makes it 1st round value) . . . but so is defensive nose tackle and offensive line. Rather than reach for a wide receiver at a lesser value in the 26th position, the simulation assigned an offensive tackle in the 1st round and a nose tackle in the 2nd (and WR A.J. Jenkins of Illinois was taken in the 3 rd round). Keep in mind that wide receivers who make an impact in their rookie season are a rarity in the NFL and due to salary cap restrictions, teams need immediate contribution from 1st and 2nd round selections.



Now, having said all that, I think this week's CMD selections will make you happier.



OK, so here’s my logic on the OL . . . Duane Brown, while performing admirably at OT, would be a consistent Pro Bowl performer inside at OG. He was moved from TE to OL at Virginia Tech, and since he was the their best OL, he played OT . . . but would be a holy terror pulling to lead a sweep, not to mention getting to the 2 nd level with his combination of power and footwork. With the exception of the center position, manned by Chris Meyers, the interior of the Texans OL has to be improved. And if Meyers leaves in free agency, the Texans might have to move Antoine Caldwell to replace him, further reducing the OG depth. Eric Winston is a ticking time bomb who should be a starting LOT in this league . . . do you remember him walking out of the Combine? I've been watching this kid since his high school days at Midland, Texas and he could be as good as he wants to be, but he does not apply himself. I sincerely hope with a full off-season, 2011 draft choice Derek Newton is “coached up” to challenge for a starting position.



Now, I could go into detail about the OL requirements necessary to play the ZBS that Kubiak uses . . . but the Texans rushing attack, while impressive yardage-wise due to big plays, was inconsistent and could not produce when it had to as evidenced by 3 rd or 4 th down and short conversion %. If the running game produced as it should have, the passing attack would have been even more consistent with play-action passes. And this all goes back to the OL, both run-blocking and pass-blocking. This sounds like nit-picking of a play-off team, but there are very few weaknesses to address in the draft and I'm looking at a number of moving pieces that would make them even stronger.



Now here’s a challenge for you . . . do you think you could do better? If so, I will let you assign the priority code inputs and write the selection commentary for next week’s simulation. We'll make it a collaborative effort, and consider it a job interview for the position of Houston Texans Team Analyst . . . I will critique your work. So how about it . . . want to put your money (yes, it does pay a little bit) where your mouth is?



Regards,

Long Ball



:kubepalm:


Eric Winston is now a "ticking time bomb" who can't control his emotions.


This guy doesn't have a clue. Who gives a crap how good Brown would be as a pulling guard. You could literally say that about any decent LT in the league. The LT is usually the most athletic and most talented OLineman on your team. There's a saying that the most important position on your football team is the QB position. The 2nd most important position...is the guy protecting his blind side. I don't get the logic of moving Duane inside just because he'd be a great player there when he's already a great player at the toughest position to fill on the offensive line.

This guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

The Cush
01-30-2012, 12:03 AM
LMAO! I already got a response back from "Mr. Long ball".




:kubepalm:


Eric Winston is now a "ticking time bomb" who can't control his emotions.


This guy doesn't have a clue. Who gives a crap how good Brown would be as a pulling guard. You could literally say that about any decent LT in the league. The LT is usually the most athletic and most talented OLineman on your team. There's a saying that the most important position on your football team is the QB position. The 2nd most important position...is the guy protecting his blind side. I don't get the logic of moving Duane inside just because he'd be a great player there when he's already a great player at the toughest position to fill on the offensive line.

This guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

I got the same e-mail back, we must be the "gentlemen" he is referring to haha. I'm actually surprised he responded, that website seems like it gets no traffic. Hell yea we can do better. Apparently the website simulator generates the pick and we just have to comment on it. Anyone on this website outside of Seegara aka "Longball" can do better.

Like you said, it truly makes ZERO sense what he is saying. Why does he have such a hard-on for Derek Newton and such a limp one for Eric Winston and Duane Brown. I say we take him up on his offer and we should handle the commentary. We can all contribute in case stuff gets overlooked, dig up stats, etc. We can also throw in jabs at Longball for being an idiot.

b0ng
01-30-2012, 12:05 AM
Correct. By the same token, Brown has been lousy in pass blocking up until this season, and some contributors are now ready to make a hero out of him.

Not really. Brown was terrible his rookie season, and then progressed to alright his sophomore year, but 2010 and 2011 he was perfectly fine as an LT.

I imagine you probably weren't watching the Texans when Duane Brown was not good in pass pro.

edo783
01-30-2012, 12:05 AM
LMAO! I already got a response back from "Mr. Long ball".
This guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

That is one of the biggest understatements I have ever seen on this board. This guy has reached an all new level of cluelessness.

The Cush
01-30-2012, 12:32 AM
Here is my reply to NoBalls. I used the website from earlier in this thread to throw out Duane Brown stats in his face...

I know you are replying to several of us, but in my E-mail I said drafting an offensive lineman in the first round is acceptable. My issue is that you think starting last year's 7th round project of a tackle in Derek Newton at Left tackle (the most important position on the offensive line) opposite a rookie (at a position that does not offer a smooth transition), while regulating one of the best right tackles in Eric Winston to bench is a good idea?! LOL! Yea Winston has his issues in pass protection but Newton and the rookie will have far greater issues. You honestly believe Winston is worse than Derek Newton!? You also left out a guy named Rashad Butler, who while Duane Brown was suspended in 2010 proved he can be a starting tackle in this league. Somehow Mr. 7th round pick who barely played in Derek Newton has your mind clouded with delusion. You must have really seen something on that Arian Foster goal line run against the Falcons to be so high on him because outside of that play and half of the season finale vs. the Titans, he never saw action.

Duane Brown was our best O-lineman last year, his work wasn't just "admirable". This website has him listed as giving up 2.5 sacks and zero holding penalties. It also lists he has only ONE holding penalty in his entire career.

http://yesnetwork.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8803&team=34

Moving him to guard will upgrade that position but greatly weaken the LT position while doing so. Apparently you value the guard position higher than left tackle. It's funny, you don't often hear that one. If you really wanted to upgrade the guard position you could have just, gee I don't know, DRAFTED A GUARD??

I noticed you also handle the Cowboys "analysis" for that "website", which makes me believe you concentrate more on them and you are more of a casual Texans fan if not a casual sports fan in general.

..Derek Newton starting at left tackle while Eric Winston rots on the bench...LOL!!!! Keep up the good work

Texn4life
01-30-2012, 12:39 AM
Here's the 1 thing I would mention to this dummy. Teams try over and over again to find a really good Left Tackle without being successful in this league. We finally develop a guy into a 2nd team All Pro LT (should have been 1st team, but I won't even get into that) and this clown wants to move him to guard? How much sense does that make? Then we have to wait for another Left Tackle to get used to that position. There's zero logic in that.

Jackie Chiles
01-30-2012, 12:40 AM
Whoever is in contact with the guy from the website should just link him the All-Pro voting from this year. Duane came in 3rd amongst tackles, Winston 5th. Yeah, we really need to fix our enormous hole at OT.... Unreal. When is Miami going to bump Jake Long inside?

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/tag/_/name/2011-nfl-all-pro-team

Texn4life
01-30-2012, 12:48 AM
I'm really trying to wrap my head around this. That would be like Kareem stepping up next year and turning into a top 5 corner. Only for us to say at the end of the year that we're going to change it up, move him to safety, and go with an experiment at corner instead of him. Me thinks this guy was dropped on the head as a baby.

:wadepalm:

The Cush
01-30-2012, 12:52 AM
Whoever is in contact with the guy from the website should just link him the All-Pro voting from this year. Duane came in 3rd amongst tackles, Winston 5th. Yeah, we really need to fix our enormous hole at OT.... Unreal. When is Miami going to bump Jake Long inside?

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/tag/_/name/2011-nfl-all-pro-team

E-mailed him again with the link..

Oh yea, I know these voters probably are just some schmucks that don't know anything about football but here is this year's All-Pro voting. At the tackle position Duane Brown finished THIRD and Eric Winston finished FIFTH after the play they put in at their respected positions (left tackle and right tackle NOT left guard and right bench next to the Gatorade and Derek Newton).

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/tag/_/name/2011-nfl-all-pro-team

Remember that time you suggested 7th round pick Derek Newton and a rookie right tackle start over Wade Smith and Eric Winston?! LOL. Seriously though, watch a little less Lifetime and Hallmark channels during the week and more ESPN and CBS on Sundays and it just might allow to bring a tiny bit of credibility to the table when it comes to talking about the Texans let alone sports in general.

BSofA04
01-30-2012, 01:38 AM
You gotta be kidding me. Unreal.

Mark that website from credible draft sites.

DX-TEX
01-30-2012, 02:05 AM
You didn't really give neg rep to a guy just because he has a different point of view than you did ya?

No. lmao

EDIT: But he neg repped me! Bastard

ObsiWan
01-30-2012, 05:32 AM
http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1_17-32.asp
Rookie T.J. Yates performed admirably and has a future with the Texans . . . but no NFL team can prosper with their top 2 QB's on IR! Starters Duane Brown (LOT) and Eric Winston (ROT) have all the impact of swinging doors in pass protection: Brown should move inside to his natural position of OG and Winston should battle 2011 draft choice Derek Newton for LOT, ultimately losing and becoming back-up swing tackle
:kubepalm::wadepalm:



http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgX6343tFmxspYzHLIIf5CQMg8y0Ee0 mKUky1oj-Qk2deS43LN6w
My name is Inigo Montoya.
You diss'ed our pro bowl LT.
Prepare to die.

machineo
01-30-2012, 07:55 AM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgX6343tFmxspYzHLIIf5CQMg8y0Ee0 mKUky1oj-Qk2deS43LN6w
My name is Inigo Montoya.
You diss'ed our pro bowl LT.
Prepare to die.
I was thinking you'd use the "I don't think that means what you think it means" line, but that's good too.

beerlover
01-30-2012, 09:02 AM
One of the first things I check when I evaluate a new draft website is quality of its big board, does it possess hidden gems/insight, how accurate are the grades & would I pay for their service. If you answer no, like I did to this one then it really means crap, one could only hope that he is the right hand man of Jerry Jones :htown2atx:

Señor Stan
01-30-2012, 09:09 AM
Yep, I hate Duane Brown.

Sincerely,

James Harrison's cracked orbital bone (http://www.raiders.ninjagoro.com/2011/10/how-james-harrison-broke-his-orbital-bone/)

XI CMURDER IX
01-30-2012, 09:19 AM
One of the first things I check when I evaluate a new draft website is quality of its big board, does it possess hidden gems/insight, how accurate are the grades & would I pay for their service. If you answer no, like I did to this one then it really means crap, one could only hope that he is the right hand man of Jerry Jones :htown2atx:

Michael Floyd going 6th overall in their mock draft? Then Alshon Jeffery going in the middle of the second round! The reasoning behind it was Jeffery hurt his stock with a less than stelar year, but the site then goes on to brag about his stats for the past season.

You would think it was Jerry Jones himself :wadepalm:

drunkcookie
01-30-2012, 09:38 AM
WTF? I'm not big on neg rep myself, but anyone who thinks you move a 2nd team all-pro player from his current position (meaning he's considered #2 out of 32) deserves all the neg rep allowed...

thunderkyss
01-30-2012, 12:40 PM
For the record I watched every Jets game for the past 2 years and I can tell you that Ferguson has been much worse than Duane Brown for the past 2 years. He's maybe the most overrated LT in the entire league in my opinion.

My opinion, looks like Ferguson has regressed since his rookie season.

The Cush
01-30-2012, 12:48 PM
Haha Longball replied and rescinded his invitation for me to do the Texans analysis for their mock next week after I told him to stop watching so much Lifetime and Hallmark channels. He also says he's the one in charge of doing their Big Board, which now explains a lot.

BigBull17
01-30-2012, 03:00 PM
Brown is elite. Anybody who wants to call Brown a 'swinging door' just doesnt pay attention. BTW, Winsotn has his faults, but there are a lot of RT's he is a substantial upgrade over. Just stupid.

ThaShark316
01-30-2012, 03:14 PM
I'll just leave this here:

ProFootballFocus.com
@ProFootbalFocus ProFootballFocus.com
just a reminder, only 1 offensive tackle played 250+ snaps in pass protection & didnt give up a sack - take a bow Duane Brown of the Texans

Big Lou
01-30-2012, 03:37 PM
That guy is right, Duane Brown sucks, cut his ass as soon as possible. I think the problwm is that he must have faced a crappy rookie DE in practice a lot, I think we should cut Watt as well. We need to cap space to resign Matt Lienhart.














:sarcasm:

DocBar
01-30-2012, 03:54 PM
I'm on record as saying that Brown isn't an elite LT and that I think he'd definitely be an elite RT. He worked on changing my mind about that.
I'm also on record as saying Winston isn't a very good RT. I didn't change my mind on that so much. I think he's a road grader in run blocking, but just doesn't seem to have the footwork/arm length/technical skills in pass pro. Plus he's usually good for a drive killing penalty or two a game. I'm not saying Winston is chopped liver, but I wouldn't hesitate to land a top prospect LT, let him learn for a year and see how Winston would do at G after that.

welsh texan
01-30-2012, 04:10 PM
I hear revolving doors playing O-line were responsible for zero sacks last year in the NFL as well :choke:

thunderkyss
01-30-2012, 06:18 PM
LMAO! I already got a response back from "Mr. Long ball".

. . . do you think you could do better? If so, I will let you assign the priority code inputs and write the selection commentary for next week’s simulation. We'll make it a collaborative effort, and consider it a job interview for the position of Houston Texans Team Analyst . . . I will critique your work. So how about it . . . want to put your money (yes, it does pay a little bit) where your mouth is?



Regards,

Long Ball


:kubepalm:


I think we've got a few draftniks who should take him up on his offer... they'd do a really good job I think.


This guy doesn't have a clue. Who gives a crap how good Brown would be as a pulling guard. You could literally say that about any decent LT in the league. The LT is usually the most athletic and most talented OLineman on your team. There's a saying that the most important position on your football team is the QB position. The 2nd most important position...is the guy protecting his blind side. I don't get the logic of moving Duane inside just because he'd be a great player there when he's already a great player at the toughest position to fill on the offensive line.

This guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

Earlier in our ZBS learning days, we did see the guards pull & get to the second level more often than they had last season. Wade Smith was pulling & abusing LBs a lot in 2010... don't know why, but not so much in 2011.

Duane has been a monster on the second level & lead blocking on the play side. So he's kinda playing like an OG from the tackle position. I think Kubiak does a pretty good job of getting his OLmen where they need to be, regardless of where they are on the line.

Would he be an awesome LG? Probably. But it would be pretty hard to replace him (I think) at LT.

disaacks3
01-30-2012, 06:30 PM
Wait a minute. Have not people on this very MB complained about Winston & suggested he move inside? Brown is quietly getting job done so he is wrong there. I am satisifed with both OTs but whoever this is has the right to voice his opinion and give us material to discuss. Move Winston = OK (He cannot handle speed rushers effectively) Move Brown - No way in HELL. Top 5 LT in the league.

I'm on record as saying that Brown isn't an elite LT and that I think he'd definitely be an elite RT. He worked on changing my mind about that.
I'm also on record as saying Winston isn't a very good RT. I didn't change my mind on that so much. I think he's a road grader in run blocking, but just doesn't seem to have the footwork/arm length/technical skills in pass pro. Plus he's usually good for a drive killing penalty or two a game. I'm not saying Winston is chopped liver, but I wouldn't hesitate to land a top prospect LT, let him learn for a year and see how Winston would do at G after that. If Duane hasn't changed your mind yet, it's never gonna change.

I'm with ya' on Winston. Maybe if they drape chicken wings on the opposing DE? :thinking:

Texaninlild
01-30-2012, 06:58 PM
Wow...are writers from BSPN working on this site as well? Did these people watch game this season? Any game? Any team???

DocBar
01-30-2012, 07:04 PM
Move Winston = OK (He cannot handle speed rushers effectively) Move Brown - No way in HELL. Top 5 LT in the league.

If Duane hasn't changed your mind yet, it's never gonna change.

I'm with ya' on Winston. Maybe if they drape chicken wings on the opposing DE? :thinking:I stated that Brown was working on changing my mind. He did very well this season but still had a few issues. I didn;t get to DVR any of the games this season, but I would bet good money that Brown gave up quite a few more pressures than he's being given credit for, and I would say at least a couple of sacks. Grading this depends on the grader. There were several sacks because of outside pressure, on Brown's side, causing the QB to move into the sack. Was Brown completely at fault? No. But he does have some culpability in some of those.

I'm gonna withhold my final judgement til next season. Then I'll make my call to Bobby and have my say. :htown2atx:

thunderkyss
01-30-2012, 07:24 PM
I stated that Brown was working on changing my mind. He did very well this season but still had a few issues. I didn;t get to DVR any of the games this season, but I would bet good money that Brown gave up quite a few more pressures than he's being given credit for, and I would say at least a couple of sacks. Grading this depends on the grader. There were several sacks because of outside pressure, on Brown's side, causing the QB to move into the sack. Was Brown completely at fault? No. But he does have some culpability in some of those.

I'm gonna withhold my final judgement til next season. Then I'll make my call to Bobby and have my say. :htown2atx:

I know he's given credit for neutralizing T-Sizzle vs Baltimore in the play-offs.....

personally, neutralize wouldn't be the word I would use, but he did a pretty dang good job. Suggs got by, got a few pressures & a hit (I think) but it's Suggs...

DocBar
01-30-2012, 08:43 PM
I know he's given credit for neutralizing T-Sizzle vs Baltimore in the play-offs.....

personally, neutralize wouldn't be the word I would use, but he did a pretty dang good job. Suggs got by, got a few pressures & a hit (I think) but it's Suggs...One game does not a season make. I think Yoda said that. I heard he's a Texans fan.:hothboy:

SW H-TOWN
02-06-2012, 04:43 PM
Seegara neg rep me too. At least I doubt he will come back and start some crazy thread.

Carr Bombed
02-07-2012, 10:21 PM
One game does not a season make. I think Yoda said that. I heard he's a Texans fan.:hothboy:

It wasn't just one game... Duane Brown kicked Suggs ass BOTH times he played him. He was even more dominant against Suggs the first time they faced off.


But yeah, your right.. "one game does not a season make". Luckily for Brown nobody is talking just about one game. He was dominant all last season. Does one season not make a season as well?

TheMatrix31
02-07-2012, 10:25 PM
How is Duane Brown's dominance questioned? Wow.

Texan_Bill
02-07-2012, 10:28 PM
Duane Brown, the worst "reach", left tackle..... EVER!!!! :rolleyes:

HOU-TEX
02-08-2012, 10:30 AM
Duane Brown, the worst "reach", left tackle..... EVER!!!! :rolleyes:

This thread's great....Pffft

Wasn't your boy swt one that had his panties all twisted on the DB pick?

Señor Stan
02-08-2012, 11:43 AM
This thread's great....Pffft

Wasn't your boy swt one that had his panties all twisted on the DB pick?

umm...kind of...I guess...

i hate this. I want to cry. Pathetic. Pathetic. An utter failure. No. Damnit NO.

we reached massively, and passed on cason and phillips. this WILL haunt us. Screw Gibbs.We reached for the 8th freaking tackle. I hate this.

this pick will haunt us. mark my words....we messed up bad. We traded back ignorantly, and for what??? really? im curious...espn hasn't covered the trade. What did we get for passing on mendenhall

yes...im pissed that we took the EIGHTH BEST TACKLE over Cason and phillips. Im pissed mendenhall fell to us by some miracle and we threw him away for a 3rd and a 6th...and then BLEW a first round pick. Screw this. Screw Gibbs. This is a pathetic reach.



if he turns into a franchise LT, i'll eat my texans hat live on webcam.


This last post is really ironic because with the trade down to get Brown, the Texans were able to draft Steve Slaton...and...

If Slaton isn't starting week 1... I will eat my texans hat live on webcam.


Two hats not eaten, if I am counting correctly.

HOU-TEX
02-08-2012, 12:50 PM
umm...kind of...I guess...














This last post is really ironic because with the trade down to get Brown, the Texans were able to draft Steve Slaton...and...




Two hats not eaten, if I am counting correctly.

:lol: Damn!

I wish I could figure that dadgum search option as well as some of y'all use it.

MSR. Can someone rep this fine man for his search abilities, please?

thunderkyss
02-08-2012, 07:30 PM
:lol: Damn!

MSR. Can someone rep this fine man for his search abilities, please?

Did

drs23
02-08-2012, 08:02 PM
umm...kind of...I guess...














This last post is really ironic because with the trade down to get Brown, the Texans were able to draft Steve Slaton...and...




Two hats not eaten, if I am counting correctly.

To his credit though he sure ate some jersey cash. :bat:

b0ng
02-08-2012, 08:08 PM
umm...kind of...I guess...














This last post is really ironic because with the trade down to get Brown, the Texans were able to draft Steve Slaton...and...




Two hats not eaten, if I am counting correctly.

This is what happens when you post in nothing but absolutes.

ObsiWan
02-09-2012, 01:28 AM
:lol: Damn!

I wish I could figure that dadgum search option as well as some of y'all use it.

MSR. Can someone rep this fine man for his search abilities, please?

Got him....
:)

amazing80
02-09-2012, 04:16 PM
Ugh what a fail. If ANYTHING Winston needs to move inside because HE IS the weak link vs edge rushers. Brown was top 3 LTs in the LEAGUE this season and the fact he wasn't voted an all pro or pro bowler is disgusting.....

TexCanada
02-10-2012, 01:25 PM
This is what happens when you post in nothing but absolutes.

This is why I think that it never really hurts to throw a "I think" or "just my opinion" in there. That's just my opinion though.

Honoring Earl 34
02-10-2012, 01:34 PM
Longball changed his mind and drafted the Bama DT . I guess he didn't think a 2nd rd LT was a good replacement for an elite LT .

SWT was as stable as quicksand . :mariopalm:

Carr Bombed
02-10-2012, 01:38 PM
SWT was as stable as quicksand . :mariopalm:

I wonder what handle he uses now? You know he still posts here.. You don't post on this board everyday and then just walk away. :) Even Vinny came back.

This thief is lurking around somewhere.

Honoring Earl 34
02-10-2012, 01:41 PM
I wonder what handle he uses now? You know he still posts here.. You don't post on this board everyday and then just walk away. :) Even Vinny came back.

This thief is lurking around somewhere.

He fessed up to be a vicodin addict a couple of years back . I guess in hindsight it's not good to send an addict money .

Carr Bombed
02-10-2012, 01:49 PM
He fessed up to be a vicodin addict a couple of years back . I guess in hindsight it's not good to send an addict money .

yeah, I remember. addict or not.. the lesson should be in hindsight it's not a good idea to send anyone money over the internet.

I enjoy conversing with a lot of posters here and would love to have a drink/maybe check out a game with a couple of people here, but in no way in hades am I sending any of you S.O.B.s money :) (this is coming from a guy who had his entire bank account swiped clean, because of online hacking and the money was sent to a offshore account).

Vinny
02-10-2012, 01:50 PM
I wonder what handle he uses now? You know he still posts here.. You don't post on this board everyday and then just walk away. :) Even Vinny came back.

This thief is lurking around somewhere.he's the walking dead. Unable to expose himself to the masses (ok, so that didn't sound right), he may lurk but has been rendered a mindless bbs zombie unable to post without someone shooting at his virtual head.

steelbtexan
02-10-2012, 02:08 PM
This is what happens when you post in nothing but absolutes.

Love people who are willing to put it out there and speak in absolutes.

The downside is sometimes you end up looking foolish.

SWT and I know you're out there give the people that trusted you their $$$$ back.

And do it now you theif.

HOU-TEX
02-10-2012, 02:21 PM
Maybe my mind is a bit numb from a few going away parties for my son this week.....but who the heck gave that dude money?

TB and I used to PM each other about how jacked up that dude was and a sack of ass would be the most I'd ever give that dude. And that's being a bit generous.

Carr Bombed
02-10-2012, 03:42 PM
Maybe my mind is a bit numb from a few going away parties for my son this week.....but who the heck gave that dude money?

TB and I used to PM each other about how jacked up that dude was and a sack of ass would be the most I'd ever give that dude. And that's being a bit generous.

It's all in this thread (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76731), the **** hits the fan on page 4...

HOU-TEX
02-10-2012, 05:22 PM
Damn, sorry y'all had to go through that.

welsh texan
02-13-2012, 02:41 PM
It's all in this thread (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76731), the **** hits the fan on page 4...
Wow, well I guess there's a lesson there for everyone. What a tit.

ckhouston
02-19-2012, 10:35 AM
This entire thread lowered my IQ just by reading it.

Learn the damn game.