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LongTimeLurker
01-23-2012, 02:17 AM
So there is a chance Peyton Manning might demand a trade....

Assuming he is 100% would you be opposed to letting Matt Schaub walk this off season and trade Mario Williams to Indy for Peyton Manning? What if you were asked to package Matty and Mario to Indy for Peyton?

TheEastwood
01-23-2012, 02:34 AM
Are you serious? ..... Schaub and supermario for a qb that had 3 neck surgeries in 2 years. wow..... Wow is the only thing I can say to that. That is the worst idea ever. You should be ashamed for having that idea even come into your head..... Wow

ThaShark316
01-23-2012, 02:48 AM
This was your second post? THIS? Not a post saying we should keep Mario or give Foster his money. It's THIS. Do you hear yourself talking? I might kill you tonight.

ObsiWan
01-23-2012, 03:35 AM
So there is a chance Peyton Manning might demand a trade....

Assuming he is 100% would you be opposed to letting Matt Schaub walk this off season and trade Mario Williams to Indy for Peyton Manning? What if you were asked to package Matty and Mario to Indy for Peyton?

Now why would we want to help rebuild the Colts?
:wadepalm:

TheMatrix31
01-23-2012, 05:03 AM
Perhaps going back to lurking would be the best course of action.

Pollardized
01-23-2012, 06:34 AM
So there is a chance Peyton Manning might demand a trade....

Assuming he is 100% would you be opposed to letting Matt Schaub walk this off season and trade Mario Williams to Indy for Peyton Manning? What if you were asked to package Matty and Mario to Indy for Peyton?

Damn it Leinert, get back to your son's basketball game. You are just not good enough to be an NFL quarterback. The football Gods have spoken...

TejasTom
01-23-2012, 06:53 AM
So there is a chance Peyton Manning might demand a trade....

Assuming he is 100% would you be opposed to letting Matt Schaub walk this off season and trade Mario Williams to Indy for Peyton Manning? What if you were asked to package Matty and Mario to Indy for Peyton?

Peyton, is that you?

fiasco west
01-23-2012, 06:56 AM
Are you serious? ..... Schaub and supermario for a qb that had 3 neck surgeries in 2 years. wow..... Wow is the only thing I can say to that. That is the worst idea ever. You should be ashamed for having that idea even come into your head..... Wow

It's not even that though. The Colts are never trading away Manning...to a AFC South team lol. Unless they knew with 100% certainty that he was done for. You rarely see big name players going to a rival team via trade.

Thorn
01-23-2012, 07:26 AM
Can you imagine the epic battles between Peyton Manning and Kubiak on who's calling the plays? :lol:

Texanmike02
01-23-2012, 07:27 AM
Charlie Casserly is gone asshat. Not happening.



Mike

eriadoc
01-23-2012, 07:46 AM
I think LongTimeLurker might be Charlie Casserly.

pirbroke
01-23-2012, 08:07 AM
LOl, for the first time ever I neg rep someone, I wanted to see if his number would go to negative something, dang it didn't but the bar turned red. Ahhh good times.:spin:

nero THE zero
01-23-2012, 08:30 AM
Trading Manning is cost prohibitive.

He will either be cut or be on the roster next season.

LongTimeLurker
01-23-2012, 08:31 AM
ok, so i guess the idea sounded better in my head, sorry about that but was the neg rep really necessary ?

Texanmike02
01-23-2012, 08:46 AM
ok, so i guess the idea sounded better in my head, sorry about that but was the neg rep really necessary ?

Yes. Next, I think you should start a thread about trading the FAs for Randy Moss. Maybe we can package MW and AJ with a first round pick.

Mike

IlliniJen
01-23-2012, 08:55 AM
ok, so i guess the idea sounded better in my head, sorry about that but was the neg rep really necessary ?

Yeah, your idea was pretty horrible, but no one should be childish enough to neg rep you for something so harmless.

C'mon folks!

Thorn
01-23-2012, 09:34 AM
Yeah, your idea was pretty horrible, but no one should be childish enough to neg rep you for something so harmless.

C'mon folks!

The board seems to be much harder on the newbies than on long time posters. Not a good way to bring in new folks if you ask me. Neg Rep should be used (if at all) only on committed trollers, which isn't the case here.

If the thread topic is silly, then just roll with it and make funny posts. It's the offseason.

Vinny
01-23-2012, 09:39 AM
ok, so i guess the idea sounded better in my head, sorry about that but was the neg rep really necessary ?

http://youtu.be/Hbd1oGFl7sE

Cjeremy635
01-23-2012, 09:45 AM
http://youtu.be/Hbd1oGFl7sE

That was AWESOME! That should definitely be a required sticky.....

NitroGSXR
01-23-2012, 09:50 AM
I'm fine with Schaub as my QB. That being said... I would rather try to throw money at Brees than try to trade for a hobbled Manning.

Kthx
01-23-2012, 10:19 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tyGasZ3Oi9o/ThzIlURy9UI/AAAAAAAAAYc/hwErCWMSNoo/s1600/lakers.gif

Dutchrudder
01-23-2012, 10:35 AM
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/GIFs/34gsnsj.gif


psssst, rep doesn't mean anything! lol...

CharloTex
01-23-2012, 11:04 AM
Peyton, is that you?

Actually, OP: Satan, is that you?

BigBull17
01-23-2012, 11:11 AM
So there is a chance Peyton Manning might demand a trade....

Assuming he is 100% would you be opposed to letting Matt Schaub walk this off season and trade Mario Williams to Indy for Peyton Manning? What if you were asked to package Matty and Mario to Indy for Peyton?

Great idea! Lets pair Mario with Freeny and Mathis and get back a QB who is one hit away from a power chair. Should be fun watching the grounds crew mop up Peyton from the turf. God bless America, why didn't I think of this...Maybe we can throw in Joseph and Cushing for Painter and Collie. Can't hurt, right?

dream_team
01-23-2012, 12:44 PM
The board seems to be much harder on the newbies than on long time posters. Not a good way to bring in new folks if you ask me. Neg Rep should be used (if at all) only on committed trollers, which isn't the case here.

If the thread topic is silly, then just roll with it and make funny posts. It's the offseason.

This! ^^^

My only pet peeve about Texans Talk is that some people are so harsh on newbies. Why? We should be welcoming them... Texans need all the fans they can get.

In response to the topic, I like what fiasco west said. If the Colts are willing to trade him to an AFC South rival, then we should definitely be suspicious about his health. A few years ago, I would have been ok with trading the whole offense for Peyton. But considering how close we've gotten this season w/ TJ Yates, no need to make any drastic changes to the team.

ChrisG
01-23-2012, 12:51 PM
:spit:

I always blame Madden for posts like this. Trade away good players to get someone with an awesome ranking, without really looking at the situation. Mario is a dominate pass rusher. He has a great year before his injury. I want him on this team to get serious pressure. You dont drop a good to great player for someone who had one good year. Look at Slaton, one good year then wasn't even 3rd RB material.

Manning has been linked to retirement talks so yeah lets trade Schaub (who has at least 3 more years in him) and Mario (has alot of years left) for QB who may not last more than 1 year



And on the newbie front, im fine welcoming newbies but dont join a message board for a team with a serious fanbase and start asking for ridiculous trades in your first few posts

Texanmike02
01-23-2012, 01:24 PM
FTR I didn't neg rep you. I just thought you deserved it. I've only neg repped 5 people in the history of the board.

Mike

b0ng
01-23-2012, 10:23 PM
Mario is not tradeable since his contract is basically up. Schaub, yes you can technically trade him since he has 2012 still left as a Texan, but it begs the question of why would we want a player who has had recent neck surgery? I could possibly be persuaded into looking for a younger QB but an older one with more serious injury. That'd take convincing.

Corrosion
01-23-2012, 10:56 PM
The OP should have continued to lurk .... rather than come out of the closet sounding like "JohnsonFan".




:specnatz:

Hervoyel
01-23-2012, 11:05 PM
So there is a chance Peyton Manning might demand a trade....

Assuming he is 100% would you be opposed to letting Matt Schaub walk this off season and trade Mario Williams to Indy for Peyton Manning? What if you were asked to package Matty and Mario to Indy for Peyton?


Yes, I would be opposed to that deal. I think that Peyton has very little time remaining in this league while Matt & Mario both have years of good production in front of them. Manning also isn't going to come in and run "your system". He's going to go somewhere and do what he does. That is not in our best interest at this point.

le14
01-23-2012, 11:07 PM
you do know this Manning makes an absurd amount of money right?

Corrosion
01-23-2012, 11:11 PM
ok, so i guess the idea sounded better in my head, sorry about that but was the neg rep really necessary ?


Nope , wasnt neccessary ..... but at least the guy who did it didnt carry a big hammer .... I'll rep ya to make up for it.



Just dont go acting like "JohnsonFan" again ..... :ahhaha:

ObsiWan
01-23-2012, 11:45 PM
http://youtu.be/Hbd1oGFl7sE
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwgtkwckV85K3uAWDixdvfNiGU1O1mf xZHw0s5XoQhVoJ9DV51

I wish I'd had the benefit of that vid when I was a noob
:D
That was AWESOME! That should definitely be a required sticky.....

Agreed. Might not be a bad idea to put a link to that in the READ FIRST post

LongTimeLurker
01-24-2012, 12:44 AM
Mario is not tradeable since his contract is basically up. Schaub, yes you can technically trade him since he has 2012 still left as a Texan, but it begs the question of why would we want a player who has had recent neck surgery? I could possibly be persuaded into looking for a younger QB but an older one with more serious injury. That'd take convincing.

i originally meant that we would franchise tag then trade him


also people keep bringing up how he's injured but i in my OP i noted that there was an assumption he was 100% healthy....


i just don't see colts keeping both QBs...maybe for 1 year max

ObsiWan
01-24-2012, 01:52 AM
i originally meant that we would franchise tag then trade him


also people keep bringing up how he's injured but i in my OP i noted that there was an assumption he was 100% healthy....


i just don't see colts keeping both QBs...maybe for 1 year max

yeah but, as Herv and others (myself included) said, you don't make trades that help your divisional foes improve. Giving the Colts a top ten QB and a young, solid DE would help them improve. At the present they're on the decline. All their studs, not just Peyton, but Wayne, Saturday, Mathis, etc. are all getting old. We don't want to help them solve those issues.

Plus I don't want to face a pissed-off Schaub and/or a Mario with an axe to grind twice a year for the next 4-5 years.

For those reasons, that trade is not a good idea.

RagingBull
01-24-2012, 09:33 AM
No way I would trade for Manning at all. The Colts will have to release him if they plan on signing Luck, so no trade necessary. He will likely clear waivers as he has a $30 million or so bonus coming up which no one will want to pay not knowing how he will play. I would sign him for like league minimum with a $20 Million bonus if he wins the superbowl and let him compete with Schaub. That would be awesome if we had PM as our backup QB :lol:

Texan_Bill
01-24-2012, 10:01 AM
Why??? Why the hell did I even chance coming into this thread???

:facepalm: Bill!

*punches self in the junk*

Texanmike02
01-24-2012, 10:23 AM
Every once in a while someone has a bad idea. Then that bad idea will spawn 6 or 7 other bad ideas. This thread is nine or ten generations of bad ideas stacked on one another.

Mike

HOU-TEX
01-24-2012, 10:25 AM
Not that I really care to extend this thread more than it already has been......but can anyone really see Manning running our bootlegs? Schaub's slow, but Manning would be like slo-mo.

http://gifsoup.com/view/492889/ace-ventura-slo-mo-o.gif

Allstar
01-24-2012, 10:30 AM
Ugh, it's happening. We're becoming the main board :hankpalm:

GP
01-24-2012, 10:50 AM
If you want our QB to have a stiff neck, LongTimeLurker, then just embed a couple of Viagra pills into Schaub's neck muscles.

You're getting hammered pretty badly here. Just hang in there, don't let it phase you. The only reason you started this thread was because you beat Thunderkyss to the idea. Ho! Bada-bing-bada-boom!

Just kidding, TK. LOL.

gary
01-24-2012, 11:14 AM
I would think about retirement he has already had a fabulous career and one more hit he might just be handicap but he probably won't do that.

Dutchrudder
01-24-2012, 11:19 AM
If I'm the Colts GM, I would want to send Peyton to San Francisco for two 1sts and some late picks, and in doing so they will likely be in the Super Bowl next year. Win-win for those teams as the Colts need to rebuild and SF is going to be competitive next year. It guarantees that Peyton will be in the NFC and won't play the Colts for some time. Alex Smith can sign on to be the backup for peanuts, as the team has paid him a buttload more money than he ever deserved. SF would be a monster next year with Peyton at the helm.

gary
01-24-2012, 11:48 AM
If I'm the Colts GM, I would want to send Peyton to San Francisco for two 1sts and some late picks, and in doing so they will likely be in the Super Bowl next year. Win-win for those teams as the Colts need to rebuild and SF is going to be competitive next year. It guarantees that Peyton will be in the NFC and won't play the Colts for some time. Alex Smith can sign on to be the backup for peanuts, as the team has paid him a buttload more money than he ever deserved. SF would be a monster next year with Peyton at the helm.I think they are now committed to Smith. I think Arizona should trade for him and cut Kolb.

TexanSam
01-24-2012, 12:47 PM
If I'm the Colts GM, I would want to send Peyton to San Francisco for two 1sts and some late picks, and in doing so they will likely be in the Super Bowl next year. Win-win for those teams as the Colts need to rebuild and SF is going to be competitive next year. It guarantees that Peyton will be in the NFC and won't play the Colts for some time. Alex Smith can sign on to be the backup for peanuts, as the team has paid him a buttload more money than he ever deserved. SF would be a monster next year with Peyton at the helm.

I don't think anyone's going to trade for Manning. I think the Colts cut him. If they don't cut him by sometime in early March (forgot the exact date) then they owe him $28 million this year. His recovery is obviously progressing very slowly and I don't think anyone will know if he's healthy enough to play by that time. That's a lot of money the Colts will be investing in a guy who may not be their QB next year. Best thing for that team is to move on. They have a new GM, will have a new coach, and are probably drafting Andrew Luck. That team is in need of a rebuild and if even if Manning is healthy, would he want to play there?

Dutchrudder
01-24-2012, 01:27 PM
I think they are now committed to Smith. I think Arizona should trade for him and cut Kolb.

Smith is a free agent this offseason. I assume he will re-sign with the 49ers, but Peyton is a definite upgrade pending recovery.

I don't think anyone's going to trade for Manning. I think the Colts cut him. If they don't cut him by sometime in early March (forgot the exact date) then they owe him $28 million this year. His recovery is obviously progressing very slowly and I don't think anyone will know if he's healthy enough to play by that time. That's a lot of money the Colts will be investing in a guy who may not be their QB next year. Best thing for that team is to move on. They have a new GM, will have a new coach, and are probably drafting Andrew Luck. That team is in need of a rebuild and if even if Manning is healthy, would he want to play there?

Well, I didn't say it, but passing a physical would be a requirement of the trade as is the case with any dealings. They can make the deal in principle and then examine him through team doctors.

DonnyMost
01-24-2012, 02:07 PM
If he gets cut, what team needs a QB and has a coach/GM situation that will let Peyton have his way with the offense?

Vikings (long shot)
49ers (probably going to resign smith)
Redskins (can't imagine shanny and peyton getting along)
Jacksonville (no way he wants to play there)
Cleveland (or here)
Chiefs (too much tied up in matt cassel)
Miami (possible)

My bet would be Miami... can you imagine that?

http://lp.imageg.net/prod?set=key[name],value[MANNING]&set=key[number],value[16]&set=key[displaysize],value[500]&load=url[http://chains.imageg.net/graphics/dynamic/chains/p2754341_customback.chain]

The other wild-card is the Jets, whom currently employ his old QB coach Tom Moore. Sanchez is not a very popular guy right now, either.

Dutchrudder
01-24-2012, 03:45 PM
If he gets cut, what team needs a QB and has a coach/GM situation that will let Peyton have his way with the offense?

Vikings (long shot)
49ers (probably going to resign smith)
Redskins (can't imagine shanny and peyton getting along)
Jacksonville (no way he wants to play there)
Cleveland (or here)
Chiefs (too much tied up in matt cassel)
Miami (possible)

My bet would be Miami... can you imagine that?
The other wild-card is the Jets, whom currently employ his old QB coach Tom Moore. Sanchez is not a very popular guy right now, either.

I wouldn't count the Chiefs out. Matt Cassel can be cut this offseason with little to no cap hit against the team. He's scheduled to make about 12 million this year, and I think everyone in the league knows he's not worth it. They may choose to go a different direction and Petyon would be a good one. Peyton instantly makes them the favorite for the AFC West assuming they re-sign Bowe. Although, cutting Cassel would mean the team paid him 28 million for two seasons worth of work, but he's clearly not worth 12 mill.

TexanSam
01-24-2012, 03:53 PM
Well, I didn't say it, but passing a physical would be a requirement of the trade as is the case with any dealings. They can make the deal in principle and then examine him through team doctors.

The Colts would have to take on that $28 million though if he didn't pass a physical. You can't start trading or signing players until March 13 and the Colts have to make a decision on Manning before that date.

gary
01-24-2012, 04:05 PM
Imagine Peyton playing for the Jets and then plays his brother in the Superbowl.

Goldensilence
01-24-2012, 04:07 PM
IF we really wanted Manning here, there's no need to trade for him.He'll likely be cut and we wouldn't have to deal with such a burdensome contract.

As others have pointed out his recovery is progressing so slow and Irsay is cleaning house. I figured Caldwell only had a matter of time before he was let go and right now they're looking at the Ravens D-coord. Wouldn't be a bad move IMO.

I think if he's likely cut he'll be looking at SF and Miami, though SF is way closer to competing for a SB in the twilight of his career. Though he'd likely get free reign in Miami.

BetaV1
01-25-2012, 05:18 PM
All this Manning-to-Miami talk is nothing but shenanigans to me. ESPN is saying that the Dolphins plan to pursue Manning, although I'm pretty sure what they meant to report was that Manning plans to use the Dolphins as leverage to land a more lucrative contract with a contending team. San Francisco and Arizona are the two teams that most certainly come to my mind.

I've also said this in the past and I don't think it's a stretch at all: Manning to the Cowboys. It seems crazy, but I would not be the least surprised if Dallas were to suddenly emerge and go "all-in" once Manning is officially on the open market.

To LongTimeLurker, rather than ridicule the guy, I'll just answer this question: no. As pointed out, we do not want to help the Colts rebuild and those would be great starting pieces. Secondly, I have always been on the grounds that Matt Schaub is an elite NFL quarterback and am not afraid to make such a claim. You don't trade a 31 year old elite quarterback coming off a foot injury for a 36 year old quarterback coming off neck surgery, even if he is Peyton Manning.

DonnyMost
01-26-2012, 08:09 AM
All this Manning-to-Miami talk is nothing but shenanigans to me. ESPN is saying that the Dolphins plan to pursue Manning, although I'm pretty sure what they meant to report was that Manning plans to use the Dolphins as leverage to land a more lucrative contract with a contending team. San Francisco and Arizona are the two teams that most certainly come to my mind.

Arizona seems unlikely. Kevin Kolb is due 7 million in bonus money on March 17th. So, unless unless they sign Peyton between March 8th and the 17th, I can't see any way they're able to justify paying two quarterbacks franchise type money this year.

Playoffs
01-26-2012, 11:12 PM
Kravitz: Jim Irsay's remarks bringing curtain down on Peyton Manning's Colts career

It is so sad and so hard to write it again, but it's true: Peyton Manning is done in Indianapolis.

After listening to Manning Monday night, after listening to owner Jim Irsay characterize Manning Thursday as "a politician" who should keep his concerns "in house," there's no other conclusion to be reached by a sane, sober human being: Manning's days in Indianapolis are over, and they have been over for quite some time

http://www.indystar.com/article/20120126/SPORTS15/201260492/Kravitz-Irsay-s-remarks-bringing-curtain-down-Manning-s-career?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|IndyStar.com

Corrosion
01-26-2012, 11:43 PM
Ugh, it's happening. We're becoming the main board :hankpalm:

Some people just shouldnt be allowed to start threads ..... :texanbill:

ObsiWan
01-27-2012, 12:41 AM
Imagine Peyton playing for the Jets and then plays his brother in the Superbowl.

I'd rather imagine US in the Super Bowl playing little brother Eli and Peyton having to watch from home just like Rex Ryan
:D

Ryan
01-27-2012, 06:01 PM
This again? :vincepalm:

TheEastwood
01-27-2012, 06:02 PM
I seriously doubt this would ever happen. Kubiak is way too much of a control freak. Manning would want to run his system and kube would want to keep running the shannahan system. Plus manning is going to command a huge salary and I have huge doubts if hes gonna be able to come back. Neck surgery is no joke.



Plus I don't think I could ever cheercfor manning. Too many bad memoriies

TexanSam
01-27-2012, 06:06 PM
:toropalm:

I'm all for having more people on the boards, but there needs to be a post count before allowing them to create threads.

TexanSam
01-27-2012, 06:21 PM
Geez man, get over yourself. I searched for related threads, and came up with nothing. Sorry to make you so angry, if you have kids, please don't take it out on them...

I'm not angry and no need to be disrespectful. If you used the search tool and browsed the Texans and NFL part of the board and still didn't find it then fine. It happens. It's more of an annoyance that multiple threads on same subjects have been popping up over and over again over the last few months.

srrono
01-27-2012, 06:27 PM
LOL cant afford him, but it would be funny. If you cant beat them join them.
Never won in IND well maybe that changes with Manning at the helm lol.

Norg
01-27-2012, 06:29 PM
Man after jerry jones was gussing over everything manning how about the dallas cowboys that would be shocking

TEXANRED
01-27-2012, 06:59 PM
Now why would we want to help rebuild the Colts?
:wadepalm:

How is that rebuilding the Colts? You're trading an aging QB that in 6 years has only finished 3 full seasons along with a DE that has been hurt every single year he has played in the NFL.

I would be more than happy to have Yates learn from Manning on how to be a QB.

Fred
01-27-2012, 07:20 PM
Maybe you should have searched for "Peyton Manning" instead of "the Sheriff". The ridiculous thread "Peyton Manning?" was properly moved from this forum to the NFL forum - its on page one of the NFL forum now - an easy search.

Since you don't attend the games in person, I'll cut you some slack. But when you see Manning at the LOS calling crap out for 39 seconds every play, with O Linemen bouncing in and out of their stances (where are the d*mn penalties on that) you realize that you would have to total trash your offense for Manning to fit. Bye-bye Schaub, Foster, Zone-blocking, running game, etc, etc. Not a good idea unless your current offense is pretty bad.

Texan_Bill
01-27-2012, 07:33 PM
:user:

Manning's mobility (with or without a pencil neck that supports a cannon ball head being healthy) makes Matt Schaub look like "Ron Mexico" in comparison!

Norg
01-27-2012, 09:31 PM
Most of the great qb's. Dont. Eed mobility anywayz just enough to slide and do a boot look at fhe top two right now

Eli and brady i wouldnt say there mobility is any better then schaubs and deff not yates

XI CMURDER IX
01-28-2012, 12:22 AM
Uh, when is QB mobility a factor in our offense?

Do you ever sit there and think sometimes why Matt Schaub doesn't run it for once? That is when it matters.

Goldensilence
01-28-2012, 01:50 AM
:user:

Manning's mobility (with or without a pencil neck that supports a cannon ball head being healthy) makes Matt Schaub look like "Ron Mexico" in comparison!

Props for a Ron Mexico reference!

welsh texan
01-28-2012, 04:06 AM
Most of the great qb's. Dont. Eed mobility anywayz just enough to slide and do a boot look at fhe top two right now

Eli and brady i wouldnt say there mobility is any better then schaubs and deff not yates

Both are more mobile than Schaub, not by silly amounts, but by enough.

At the end of the day, you take two QB's with exactly the same arm and throwing characteristics etc, but one is more mobile than the other, you're going to want the more mobile one at the end of the day aren't you.

One possible scenario that is making a lot of sense to me right now is Peyton to the Jets.

The Jets are a media hungry team coming off a failed season in which they blamed their QB for all their woes, the G-men are in the Superbowl with the lesser Manning at QB and when did the Jets ever turn down the opportunity to play on the type of media circus that would ensue.

It also makes some sense to them in the longer term, they could cut ties with Sanchez and, just the same as they did with Brett Favre, use Manning as a stop gap until they want to draft their man of the future.

I'd honestly prefer the guy to retire though, I hated the Favre hype through his time with the Jets and Vikings, the Jets were awful with him QBing them (no bad thing in that :lol: ) and it looks like he's set the Vikings back years, they looked Superbowl ready when he went there, they're now in rebuilding mode, and thats despite having one of his better seasons his first year there.

Apart from that, does anyone really want to see a man of 36 who's got all the money he'll ever need risking his ability to walk for the rest of his life to play a child's game for some semblance of achievement? 36 is old in the NFL, but really young in life.

Wolf
01-28-2012, 04:36 AM
It would be funny seeing pay me a ton shaking off the signs that Kubiak would send it


:kubepalm:

:joker:

MistaRed
01-28-2012, 07:31 AM
There's a story in today's Chronicle about Peyton to the Texans. Me personally I'm all for it.

Rey
01-28-2012, 10:32 AM
There's a story in today's Chronicle about Peyton to the Texans. Me personally I'm all for it.

Well it's written by Jerome Solomon so a lot of people will immediately dismiss it.

That said, He made some good points; mainly:

-Schaub has missed as many games in 1/3 the starts as Manning
-Some players never recover from Lis Franc injuries
-Manning would put the team into imeediate superbowl contention for the next few seasons -If Manning wants to win a superbowl, this would be an attractive destination for him (not to mention he'd get to play the Colts twice a year)

I doubt we'll go after Manning, but if we decided to dump Schaub and pick him up I wouldn't complain.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/01/solomon-if-manning-on-market-texans-should-be-first-in-line/

Dutchrudder
01-28-2012, 10:38 AM
Well i's written by Jerome Solomon so a lot of people will immediately dismiss it.

That said, He made some good points; mainly:

-Schaub has missed as many games in 1/3 the starts as Manning
-Some players never recover from Lis Franc injuries
-Manning would put the team into imeediate superbowl contention for the next few seasons -If Manning wants to win a superbowl, this would be an attractive destination for him (not to mention he'd get to play the Colts twice a year)

I doubt we'll go after Manning, but if we decided to dump Schaub and pick him up I wouldn't complain.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/01/solomon-if-manning-on-market-texans-should-be-first-in-line/

I feel the same way, but it would mean the Texans would need to let Mario go to make room. Reggie Wayne would probably come with him giving us that # 2 we need. That would free up our first pick to address whatever we want at 26.

Rey
01-28-2012, 10:42 AM
I feel the same way, but it would mean the Texans would need to let Mario go to make room. Reggie Wayne would probably come with him giving us that # 2 we need. That would free up our first pick to address whatever we want at 26.

If we had to let Mario walk in order to pick up Wayne and Manning, I'd do that in a heartbeat...

I really like Mario, but Wayne and Manning immediately makes us superbowl contenders and for some people maybe even favorites.

But if we got Schaub's money off the books you still might be able to keep Mario if Manning signed for a discount...

Even if we let Mario walk andcut Schaub, we wouldn't be able to win a bidding war for Manning. If he gets a big contract I don't think we'd be able to match it regardless.

Dutchrudder
01-28-2012, 10:49 AM
If we had to let Mario walk in order to pick up Wayne and Manning, I'd do that in a heartbeat...

I really like Mario, but Wayne and Manning immediately makes us superbowl contenders and for some people maybe even favorites.

But if we got Schaub's money off the books you still might be able to keep Mario if Manning signed for a discount...

Even if we let Mario walk andcut Schaub, we wouldn't be able to win a bidding war for Manning. If he gets a big contract I don't think we'd be able to match it regardless.

Cutting Schaub saves about 7 mil and letting Mario walk saves 15, so give Peyton 17 and Wayne 5, sign Myers, briesel, foster and dreessen with leftovers. :trophy:

gary
01-28-2012, 10:56 AM
Manning scrambles when he has to and even he has ran for a first down before.

Rey
01-28-2012, 11:00 AM
Cutting Schaub saves about 7 mil and letting Mario walk saves 15, so give Peyton 17 and Wayne 5, sign Myers, briesel, foster and dreessen with leftovers. :trophy:

Are you saying that Mario is going to count 15 mil against the cap this upcoming season?

welsh texan
01-28-2012, 11:22 AM
Are you saying that Mario is going to count 15 mil against the cap this upcoming season?

More likely that he cost $15 mil against the cap the season just gone, which is somewhere in the region of his estimated figure. Therefore letting him go saves that vs. our current cap situation.

Playoffs
01-28-2012, 11:35 AM
If we had to let Mario walk in order to pick up Wayne and Manning, I'd do that in a heartbeat...I wouldn't.

I don't want those fakkers on my team. Those guys bettered us for years. They're the enemy. I'm not interested in "if you can't beat 'em, join". This ain't the Houston Colts.

I'll take Mario across from Peyton & J.Jo over Wayne ... let's play some football. We'll put them on their butts. If the Colts don't like Peyton anymore, too bad -- their mistake. Put Andy Luck back there. We'll see how big his eyes get looking at our D about to stampede him.

Nawzer
01-28-2012, 11:35 AM
I don't know why people are so quick to dismiss the idea of Peyton playing for the Texans. I would love for that to happen given he's healthy and that the contract is not too big. He is one of the greatest of all time and would instantly make us the Super Bowl favorites. I don't think it'll happen but if it did I would be ecstatic.

DBCooper
01-28-2012, 11:42 AM
I wouldn't do this deal for the sheer fact that it helps the Colts.

One thing I would bet on is the incomparable will of Peyton Manning. If he decides he wants to play at a very high level for another 5 years, my money's on Peyton getting what he wants.

Norg
01-28-2012, 01:32 PM
I would dump schaub for peyton in a heart beat no questions asked

Also pick up wayne if peyton wants him man that would be sweet not likely to happen tho. : (

thunderkyss
01-28-2012, 01:53 PM
All this Manning-to-Miami talk is nothing but shenanigans to me. ESPN is saying that the Dolphins plan to pursue Manning, although I'm pretty sure what they meant to report was that Manning plans to use the Dolphins as leverage to land a more lucrative contract with a contending team. San Francisco and Arizona are the two teams that most certainly come to my mind.

Why would you think Arizona is any closer to anything than Miami? They look about the same to me.

San Francisco... I don't think they are "a QB" away from the big game, Smith played pretty well down the stretch. I don't believe they move on from Alex Smith.

I've also said this in the past and I don't think it's a stretch at all: Manning to the Cowboys. It seems crazy, but I would not be the least surprised if Dallas were to suddenly emerge and go "all-in" once Manning is officially on the open market.


Cowboys.... I can see that. Depends on where they are, contract-wise, with Romo.

Dutchrudder
01-28-2012, 02:29 PM
Are you saying that Mario is going to count 15 mil against the cap this upcoming season?

Well, not exactly. I understand the Texans want to re-sign Mario and rather than spend about 15 mill on him next year, put it towards Peyton. That may be a bit high, but I don't see him making less than 12 mill a year given comparable contracts around the league. 15 mill for Peyton sounds reasonable to me. That's the QB franchise tag amount for next year. If Peyton wants 20 mill, then the only competitive teams with that kind of money next year are the 49ers and Bengals. I can see the 49ers going for that but that's about it. He will need to give the Texans a slight discount if he comes here.

ObsiWan
01-28-2012, 04:02 PM
How is that rebuilding the Colts? You're trading an aging QB that in 6 years has only finished 3 full seasons along with a DE that has been hurt every single year he has played in the NFL.

I would be more than happy to have Yates learn from Manning on how to be a QB.

1. You're giving the Colts an experienced QB. We don't trade them Schaub, they have to go with the rook. I don't care what the NFL scouts say, he's still going to make rookie mistakes.

2. Mario has only missed significant time this year. He played every game of his first four seasons. And even hurt, he made the pro bowl and led this team in sacks. Now you want to put him in a rotation with Mathis and Freeney (who are also getting older) so you could possibly have two fresh pass rushers - three if they stick Mario at tackle on passing downs - when we face them.

3. The offense we run and the offense that made Manning famous are vastly different. Even with OTAs and T/C I see anywhere 7-8 games where offensive screw ups will cost us.

4. One good lick on Manning's neck and we're playing Leinart, or worse Yates. Yeah, I know that's a possibility no matter who goes under center, but why buy goods you KNOW are damaged??


I'm sure this is just me, but I'd throw up every time I saw Manning in a Texans uni.

ObsiWan
01-28-2012, 04:05 PM
Uh, when is QB mobility a factor in our offense?

every time we playaction then rollout.
which is several times a game.

thunderkyss
01-28-2012, 08:13 PM
Well it's written by Jerome Solomon so a lot of people will immediately dismiss it.

That said, He made some good points; mainly:

-Schaub has missed as many games in 1/3 the starts as Manning
-Some players never recover from Lis Franc injuries
-Manning would put the team into imeediate superbowl contention for the next few seasons -If Manning wants to win a superbowl, this would be an attractive destination for him (not to mention he'd get to play the Colts twice a year)

I doubt we'll go after Manning, but if we decided to dump Schaub and pick him up I wouldn't complain.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/01/solomon-if-manning-on-market-texans-should-be-first-in-line/

Those are some good points, but one thing we are not, is a team where stuff like that work out for us. Had we picked up Brees in 2006, his shoulder wouldn't have allowed him to have the career he had & our cap would still be screwed up (we were in cap hell from 2006 to 2008).

I can imagine us dumping Schaub, paying Peyton $30M & he not be able to play a single down.

Slow & steady..... I say we stay the course.

texanhead08
01-28-2012, 09:42 PM
Its too big of a risk.

TexanSam
01-28-2012, 09:56 PM
Its too big of a risk.

Any team that signs him (assuming Indy lets him go) knows this. But I don't think any team is going to sign Manning to a huge contract, unless they know for absolute certain that he's healthy and ready to go. Who knows if that will be the case though. My guess is that whatever team signs him gives him a one year deal, two max, with a ton of incentives that could turn it into a larger contract.

badboy
01-28-2012, 10:08 PM
If we got a healthy Manning at a low ball contract with no trade and allowed best QB to start, I'd be ok with it. Everyone says competition is good.Remember though that Matt is in final year after next season and if Manning does little, Schaub could be P. enough to go elsewhere.

mattieuk
01-28-2012, 10:39 PM
Slow & steady..... I say we stay the course.

Its too big of a risk.

Yup, yup and yup.

Leave all the money considerations out of this. It has taken a decade to get a playoff bound team. And now, when the future is so bright for our team, we would get rid of QB1, and Mario, for Manning/Manning and Wayne - or anyone for that matter.

Man, it's going to be a long offseason, if we're already having a 5 page thread regarding getting rid of Schaub and Mario. :)

Txn_in_Oki
01-28-2012, 11:04 PM
If we got a healthy Manning at a low ball contract with no trade and allowed best QB to start, I'd be ok with it. Everyone says competition is good.Remember though that Matt is in final year after next season and if Manning does little, Schaub could be P. enough to go elsewhere.

I don't think that at this point you can get Manning at a low ball price. Other than the surgeries he has done nothing to show that he isn't the same capable QB he's always been. Getting a low ball deal will just piss him off more. He's still Peyton Manning until his play on the field shows otherwise. Someone will pick him up if the Colts drop him, I don't think anyone will trade for him though with the risk he carries.

The Texans are on track and slow and steady is working, no way they need to jump and get an injured QB from a team in the same division. Not only do want to trade for him but you want to trade Mario, the guy who could end the guys playing days for him? No thanks. That would be the perfect Houston headline... Mario playing for the Colts ends Manning's playing days for the Texans... I want no part of that thanks.

mattieuk
01-29-2012, 01:32 AM
I don't think that at this point you can get Manning at a low ball price. Other than the surgeries he has done nothing to show that he isn't the same capable QB he's always been. Getting a low ball deal will just piss him off more. He's still Peyton Manning until his play on the field shows otherwise. Someone will pick him up if the Colts drop him, I don't think anyone will trade for him though with the risk he carries.

The Texans are on track and slow and steady is working, no way they need to jump and get an injured QB from a team in the same division. Not only do want to trade for him but you want to trade Mario, the guy who could end the guys playing days for him? No thanks. That would be the perfect Houston headline... Mario playing for the Colts ends Manning's playing days for the Texans... I want no part of that thanks.

I would contend that at least 25% of Manning's football value comes from his mental ability/knowledge of the game. A healthy Manning turns any offense in the league into a potential Superbowl contenting unit. That he can not lose.

It would be really sad if he does have a 'Favre' style end to his career, but I honestly don't see it. So long as he can throw 25 yards - he'll still have NFL value - the guy seems to know defenses better than the defenses themselves.

steelbtexan
01-29-2012, 11:16 AM
According to CND the risk (Manning making it back) is not worth the reward.

So I would vote no to this idea.

Lucky
01-29-2012, 11:29 AM
Well it's written by Jerome Solomon so a lot of people will immediately dismiss it.


http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/01/solomon-if-manning-on-market-texans-should-be-first-in-line/

Solomon has picked up where Richard Justice left off as the Chronics Absurd Sports Columnist. Ridiculous.

edo783
01-29-2012, 10:17 PM
Solomon has picked up where Richard Justice left off as the Chronics Absurd Sports Columnist. Ridiculous.

Somebody has to play the village idgit just to keep folks worked up and buying the paper and making hits on the on-line stuff. I guess Solomon drew the short straw, but he has some serious work to do to reach the level of the absurd that is/was Dick Justice.

Thorn
01-30-2012, 07:50 PM
I can not believe anyone with any knowlege of the NFL would suggest Manning is coming to the Texans.

StarStruck
01-30-2012, 10:20 PM
I can not believe anyone with any knowlege of the NFL would suggest Manning is coming to the Texans.

I had thought the same thing and kept returning to the thread trying to comprehend why it was a consideration. I could be very wrong, but I doubt if Manning would ever compete for a starting job on another team, and at this point I don't see Schaub as HOF, but that would be a slap in the face.

Once Peyton's career declines I can see him moving into broadcasting and I would welcome the sense of humor matched with his knowledge of the game.

djohn2oo8
01-30-2012, 10:57 PM
INDIANAPOLIS – For all the discussion over Peyton Manning’s future with the Indianapolis Colts, the underlying issue is that people close to him don’t believe he’ll resume his career.

The nerves in Manning’s arm are not healing as quickly as hoped and, worse, don’t appear to be progressing at enough of a rate to indicate that he will play again, according to two sources with knowledge of Manning’s rehabilitation from neck surgery. The vertebrae in his neck that were fused have healed as expected and Manning began throwing in December. But he hasn’t shown improvement in velocity on his passes, and the two sources fear he likely never will again.

In addition, two league-affiliated doctors with experience in spinal fusion surgery said it could take up to a year before Manning knows if he can return. Both said the risk is too great for Manning to play again and, because of the timeline, neither would recommend the Colts pay Manning the $28 million bonus he is owed in March.Manning couldn’t be reached for comment.

Colts owner Jim Irsay declined to talk about Manning’s health on Monday before a news conference, but did say, “There are no cases of quarterbacks going through this.”

Irsay may have no choice but to let go of Manning. While some people have tried to paint the situation as Irsay choosing to move on from Manning as he rebuilds the Colts after a 2-14 season, that was not Irsay’s intention months ago. In October, Irsay discussed the optimal situation of having both Manning and his heir apparent on the roster simultaneously.

“Guys like that come along so rarely,” Irsay said on Oct. 10 at an NFL owners meeting in Houston, referring to Manning and perceived No. 1 overall pick Andrew Luck (although Irsay has since indicated that Robert Griffin III could also be the selection). “Even if that means that guy sits for three or four years, you’d certainly think about taking him … you see what Green Bay did with [Brett] Favre and [Aaron] Rodgers and you’d like to be able to do the same thing.”

At this point, that scenario is unlikely and not because Irsay doesn’t want to pay the money for Manning. Rather, Manning has hit a plateau in his rehabilitation in terms of getting stronger, both sources said. While atrophy in the arm was expected, the fact that it hasn’t improved recently is an ominous sign.

“If you’re getting consistent improvement, then that’s OK. Even if it’s going from lifting 10 pounds to 15 pounds to 20 pounds over a stretch of weeks, that’s fine,” said a doctor who has not seen Manning but has a background in spinal surgery. “If you hit a plateau, that’s a problem. … Now, I say that, but I also tell patients who have been through it that it can take up to a year to find out exactly how much strength you’re going to get back.

“Right now, Peyton is at about six months. He should have a much better idea by July or August just how far he’s going to get … even then, that’s only a part of it. You can tell about 80 percent of how the nerves and the muscles are healing by rehab. What you really have to see is how his arm holds up when he starts to throw. Does he have the same velocity on the 15-yard out? Can he throw the 60-yard pass? Can he throw for 30 minutes before his arm gets tired? Can he throw for an hour? It’s a very complicated process.” It’s a process Irsay may not be able to gamble on at this point.

As for Manning’s side of it, he remains confident that he will return to action next season even as the progress remains slow. Last week in an extensive interview with Bob Kravitz of the Indianapolis Star, Manning expressed frustration as to why so many people who he has worked with over the years have been let go by the team, including team president Bill Polian and coach Jim Caldwell. While Manning understands the team needing to move forward, he believes he will be able to play again.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_peyton_manning_colts_neck_surgery_jim_irsay01 3012

Maddict5
01-31-2012, 07:32 AM
i think its funny in todays age of media saturation and overreporting how peytons probable retirement has kind of blindsided everyone...had never missed a game up to this season and was a serious threat to favres ironman streak- last yr its reported he has this surgery after last season and misses the offseason but is expected back before the reg season. then out of nowhere a week before the season 'he might miss the opener' ----> 'he might miss the first few games'----> 'he might miss the season'----> now where 'his career is finished'

gary
01-31-2012, 09:51 AM
I'll be surprised if he were done but for him it would not be a bad idea.

gwallaia
01-31-2012, 09:55 AM
Every once in a while someone has a bad idea. Then that bad idea will spawn 6 or 7 other bad ideas. This thread is nine or ten generations of bad ideas stacked on one another.

Mike

Which idea is worse? Bringing Vince Young to Houston or bringing Peyton Manning to Houston?

HOU-TEX
01-31-2012, 10:01 AM
I'll be surprised if he were done but for him it would not be a bad idea.

I agree, Gary. The neck isn't something I'd take a chance on damaging further. I'm not going to pretend I know all the facts of his injury, but having to undergo 3 surgeries can't be a good thing.

He's made plenty of money and could definitely make more with a microphone. I'd be unfortunate if his love of the game caused a more permanent injury than what he already has

gary
01-31-2012, 10:15 AM
Which idea is worse? Bringing Vince Young to Houston or bringing Peyton Manning to Houston?Depends on how you look at it I would rather have Manning of course but I think Young has a better chance of signing here to be a backup quarterback because of Schaub mainly and the injury to Manning. I don't think either one will occur and I definitely would not want the ladder to happen so I'll take neither one and just stick with Schaub.

Showtime100
01-31-2012, 10:40 AM
Which idea is worse? Bringing Vince Young to Houston or bringing Peyton Manning to Houston?

Good question and if there was a [C - neither] choice I would do that. Of the two I think Vince would be a much less expensive mistake. Getting Peyton would eat up all of Houston's money to continue building a championship team.

Peyton just has too many question marks AND he would never have the carte blanche on the offense here like he did in Indy.

thunderkyss
01-31-2012, 04:49 PM
He's made plenty of money and could definitely make more with a microphone. I'd be unfortunate if his love of the game caused a more permanent injury than what he already has

The thing that makes Peyton great, is that it's not about the money. I doubt it ever has been. He wants to be great, the money came naturally.

Ryan
02-02-2012, 04:41 PM
mortreport Chris Mortensen
Peyton Manning medically cleared to resume NFL career, per sources. More coming on ESPN now. #NFL32

Rey
02-02-2012, 04:54 PM
mortreport Chris Mortensen
Peyton Manning medically cleared to resume NFL career, per sources. More coming on ESPN now. #NFL32

Cool. Good for him.

Now, back to us signing him.

Norg
02-02-2012, 06:17 PM
Yes i say we get him schaub is coming off a major injury has well so whats the difference. Lol

HOU-TEX
02-03-2012, 09:30 AM
Yeah, let's run out and sign him ASAP. I mean, heck, we all know about the cap room we have to spare to sign a dude worth 20+ per year. :rolleyes:

Rey
02-03-2012, 09:34 AM
Yeah, let's run out and sign him ASAP. I mean, heck, we all know about the cap room we have to spare to sign a dude worth 20+ per year. :rolleyes:

No one is going to give him 20mil+ per year.

Doppelganger
02-03-2012, 09:35 AM
Peyton Manning=Tony Boseli 2.0

Double Barrel
02-03-2012, 11:01 AM
F Peyton Manning. I've rooted against that dude for a decade now. No way do I want his massive head and ego filling up Reliant.

The Texans had great chemistry in 2011, and all we needed was a healthy Matt Schaub to get us to the AFC Championship game and beyond. I don't see a gimpy overpaid Manning as being the missing piece of this puzzle. That money could best be used elsewhere on the roster.