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JamesBill
01-21-2012, 10:03 PM
Not just from the injury or "WTF happened to Chris Johnson" viewpoint.

But from the "the reason this guy didn't get drafted was his attitude and work ethic". On his way to leading the league in rushing Kubiak (of all people) benched him. When has he done that to any player? Ever?

I think if you don't pay Foster he will just sit out and not play so we will sign him to a contract, but I am a little scared of him thinking he is smarter than everyone else again. :gun:

thunderkyss
01-21-2012, 10:20 PM
Foster is special, make no mistake.

However, I think this team is still pretty dangerous with Tate & Ward.

Still, Foster earned his money & the Texans just need to give it to him. Kubiak knows about Foster's work ethics..... I don't think he needs any more proof.

He told Jacoby to miss a plane once. He benched Waly Lundy for 6 games.

Allstar
01-21-2012, 10:30 PM
Hell no. He's earned it and from my point of view we owe him money for the last couple years, regardless of what happens in the future.

JamesBill
01-21-2012, 10:31 PM
I don't remember that about Wali Lundy but he and Jacoby Jones were total scrubs at that time.

JamesBill
01-21-2012, 10:33 PM
Hell no. He's earned it and from my point of view we owe him money for the last couple years,
Just to be clear, I am not saying don't pay him or he doesn't deserve it.

He deserves it, we should do the right thing and pay him.

I am asking is any part of you a little scared he will revert back to old ways. After a possible long negotiation.

Playoffs
01-21-2012, 10:33 PM
Nope. http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc366/PlagueEleven/Smileys/no.gif

DocBar
01-21-2012, 10:44 PM
Pay the man. He's earned it and will continue to earn it. Foster avoids big hits like the plague. He has many years left in the tank.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-21-2012, 10:58 PM
A big difference between Foster and CJ.

CJ kept talking about the money. I can't recall Foster mentioning anything related to contract money. Foster knew if he puts up #, money will come with it. Therefore, no need to talk about money which gives negative impression of the player. Remember, pay me Rick DR?

Anyway, Foster earned and deserves his big pay day.

Go Texans!!!

Carr Bombed
01-21-2012, 11:05 PM
Umm sorry, but this question is like asking if you're scared to sleep with a beautiful woman.



PAY THE MAN.

DocBar
01-21-2012, 11:35 PM
A big difference between Foster and CJ.

CJ kept talking about the money. I can't recall Foster mentioning anything related to contract money. Foster knew if he puts up #, money will come with it. Therefore, no need to talk about money which gives negative impression of the player. Remember, pay me Rick DR?

Anyway, Foster earned and deserves his big pay day.

Go Texans!!!Foster doesn't seem to be about the money. I'm sure it would hurt is feelings and influence him, but that would be from the respect dept., not the you owe me dept. The man earned his payday. Pay him forwhat he's done for this org., not for what he may do. This is the sme reason I didn't mind the big payday to DD/DW too much.

76Texan
01-21-2012, 11:59 PM
Channel 26 had a little spot with Foster tonight.
He said he really thinks that the contract talk will work out (I don't remember his exact words.)

Some of his exact words are:
"I want to be here for the rest of my career."

EllisUnit
01-22-2012, 12:02 AM
Channel 26 had a little spot with Foster tonight.
He said he really thinks that the contract talk will work out (I don't remember his exact words.)

Some of his exact words are:
"I want to be here for the rest of my career."

And rightfully so, we found him, gave him a chance. i think he knows that and is grateful for it, well that is until he gets a big multi million million dollar signing bonus, and then after a solid 4 seasons here gets offered a BIGGER mulit million signing bonus. Funny how money changes people, but i would love for foster to remain a texan and retire one as well.

People can say what they want about bob and rick smith, but we generally get good character guys, i think thats one reason we dont see many big changes to the roster every season, guys want to stay here.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-22-2012, 12:03 AM
Foster doesn't seem to be about the money. I'm sure it would hurt is feelings and influence him, but that would be from the respect dept., not the you owe me dept. The man earned his payday. Pay him forwhat he's done for this org., not for what he may do. This is the sme reason I didn't mind the big payday to DD/DW too much.

I understand DocBar and I too think Foster isn't just about money. What I am saying is that He has better head on his shoulder than CJ. Talk about DD/DW was too bad he had that injury.

Go Texans!!!

SAMURAITEXAN
01-22-2012, 12:05 AM
Channel 26 had a little spot with Foster tonight.
He said he really thinks that the contract talk will work out (I don't remember his exact words.)

Some of his exact words are:
"I want to be here for the rest of my career."

Thanks for info 76Texan!! Local media info never gets here in Japan so, I appreciated that info.

Go Texans!!!

SAMURAITEXAN
01-22-2012, 12:10 AM
And rightfully so, we found him, gave him a chance. i think he knows that and is grateful for it, well that is until he gets a big multi million million dollar signing bonus, and then after a solid 4 seasons here gets offered a BIGGER mulit million signing bonus. Funny how money changes people, but i would love for foster to remain a texan and retire one as well.

People can say what they want about bob and rick smith, but we generally get good character guys, i think thats one reason we dont see many big changes to the roster every season, guys want to stay here.

Well, when Foster gets his big pay day and if it is a very large one, please let him know that he can spread his money to TTC member so money wouldn't change his character.:runaway:

You are right about Texans' players character and yes I also think one of reason we don't see a rapid change to our roster.

Go Texans!!!

Hookem Horns
01-22-2012, 12:12 AM
I would be definitely be scared to pay Foster ... considering that I don't have that kind of money. However I am not scared to spend Bob McNair's money.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-22-2012, 12:14 AM
I would be definitely be scared to pay Foster ... considering that I don't have that kind of money. However I am not scared to spend Bob McNair's money.

Ha ha just stop, Hookem just stop.

Scooter
01-22-2012, 12:28 AM
as much as i want to agree with a lot of the "sign at any cost" folks, i think this is one we need to be careful with. foster is a perfect fit for the texans, he's a glider with vision and just enough breakaway and force to dominate - very similar to terrell davis's early years.

that being said, i just cant advocate breaking the bank on him. nor do i want to hear (again) that rick smith offered an insulting contract that makes him walk out or hold out. foster is an elite back with houston, and will remain so if he stays, but is not going to have this much success with any other team. he is built for this system and playing behind arguably the best line in football (just ask the ravens "no 100yd rushers" defense). the deal in my eyes should make him about the 5th highest paid back with a fair amount of incentives ... a big number and relatively cap friendly for an elite player, but not one that's going to hurt us.

all that being said, i see the reason for concern. foster says all the right things, and he performs, but as far as i know he doesnt have the best work ethic. his fumble concerns are well known, his college career is still fresh in most memories, and there are worries about him becoming complacent. foster's a guy who appears to need that chip on his shoulder to be at his best, getting a top tier deal possibly takes a lot of that away.

clutch
01-22-2012, 12:49 AM
of coarse u pay him..not Chris Johnson money..say 6-8 mil per would suffice..

PHAROAH
01-22-2012, 01:06 AM
Pay the guy he has earned there is no need for discussion on this one.

76Texan
01-22-2012, 01:15 AM
And rightfully so, we found him, gave him a chance. i think he knows that and is grateful for it, well that is until he gets a big multi million million dollar signing bonus, and then after a solid 4 seasons here gets offered a BIGGER mulit million signing bonus. Funny how money changes people, but i would love for foster to remain a texan and retire one as well.

People can say what they want about bob and rick smith, but we generally get good character guys, i think thats one reason we dont see many big changes to the roster every season, guys want to stay here.

Thanks for info 76Texan!! Local media info never gets here in Japan so, I appreciated that info.

Go Texans!!!

Samurai, I think we local fans (myself included) want to remind ourselves to provide these tidbits to our friends who don't have the access.

It's the same thing as I appreciate those who attend TC (I don't get to go to but maybe once a year.)

(Your) being in Japan, you're certainly more atuned to the Asian religions and philosophies than many here in the states.
Foster's philosophy is East-meet-West somewhere, which I can understand and I'm pretty sure you do to, is my assumption correct?

thunderkyss
01-22-2012, 01:40 AM
foster is an elite back with houston, and will remain so if he stays, but is not going to have this much success with any other team. he is built for this system and playing behind arguably the best line in football (just ask the ravens "no 100yd rushers" defense).

Seattle runs the same "system"

SAMURAITEXAN
01-22-2012, 01:41 AM
Samurai, I think we local fans (myself included) want to remind ourselves to provide these tidbits to our friends who don't have the access.

It's the same thing as I appreciate those who attend TC (I don't get to go to but maybe once a year.)

(Your) being in Japan, you're certainly more atuned to the Asian religions and philosophies than many here in the states.
Foster's philosophy is East-meet-West somewhere, which I can understand and I'm pretty sure you do to, is my assumption correct?

I really appreciate local info. I lived in Texas for more than 10 years however, I left Texas over 20yrs ago and no up to date info at all. Only way to find out about Houston through Internet so, local info helps.

Correct. Foster may fits well in Hawaii? The way he talks and do things somehow reminds me a bit of Asian kinda way.

Go Texans!!!

le14
01-22-2012, 01:56 AM
Nope I am not, CJ1K is an idiot, period.

Arian is/has been a class act throughout his time in Houston. If you follow him on twitter, I cannot see anyone would not like the guy. He's humble, a hard worker, a listener, respects the game, oh yeah and a hell of a RB.

Plus CJ1K relies on one thing, Speed while Arian's game is more balanced (vision, catching, speed, blocking, etc)

Scooter
01-22-2012, 02:41 AM
drunk edit

Showtime100
01-22-2012, 02:54 AM
If I paid Foster and for whatever reason it turned out to be a mistake I could hold my head high knowing I did what any sane person would do.

Pay the man.

welsh texan
01-22-2012, 04:41 AM
Don't forget in the whole Chris Johnson debate, the guy held out of what little offseason the NFL managed to cobble together last year. Now that was his own choice, yes, but who's to tell what effect that had on his production. Maybe he wasn't all out tanking?

Either way, Foster seems like the type of guy who has a real hunger to become the best he can be, I also think he's pragmatic enough to realise that his previous work ethic problems led to his career nearly being over before it had begun, how many practice squad UDFA's would ever even get the chance to show how good they were, let alone be able to take it with both hands?

You have to pay this guy, when taking how well he fits our system into account, how many guys would be ahead of him all-time in the NFL for this system? Its gonna be a pretty short list.

D-ReK
01-22-2012, 05:11 AM
I am not afraid to pay Foster some of Uncle Bob's money for the following reasons:

1. He's earned it. His value to the team vs the value of his contract has been ridiculous for the past two seasons. He's an elite back, and he deserves to be paid like it. Paying Foster sets a good precedent for the rest of the team and lets them know that if they work hard and seize their opportunity, they could be rewarded just like Foster.

2. He's only 25 and seemingly has a lot of tread left on his tires. If he continues to average ~20 carries a game, he should be very productive for the next 5 seasons, considering his elusive running style, his habit of not taking big hits, and the emergence of Ben Tate as a capable running mate. Guys like Johnson fade away quicker than guys like Foster because Johnson's game is all speed.

3. This is obviously perception, but Foster doesn't seem like the type that would take the money and then get lazy. Every interview I've seen, he's mentioned being undrafted, and the wake up call that was for him, and how it lit a fire in him. His sole motivation isn't money. He's not a Haynesworth. He'll take his money and get back to work, focusing on what he needs to do to become the best RB he can possibly become. He's still improving, and paying him now should prove to be a smart financial decision. It's similar to what the Cardinals did with Pujols. They signed him for $14.5MM/year through his prime and then let another team sign him for more once he was starting to decline.

Thorn
01-22-2012, 07:04 AM
Hopefully I don't go into any rants this off season about insane pay for professional athletics. But not scared to pay Foster money that isn't mine. Foster is a fine young man, with a good head on his shoulders, he is not CJ. Foster will get paid. The problem is in the future, and that is paying Tate AND Foster.

HJam72
01-22-2012, 07:32 AM
Here's another thing:

I believe it when Foster says that he will always remember not getting drafted. I believe he will be motivated by that his entire career.

I believe. Pay the MAN.

....even if he is weird. :)

Grams
01-22-2012, 08:28 AM
I wouldn't worry about it.

If he developes a CJ2K attitude, Cushing will have a "chat" with him.

steelbtexan
01-22-2012, 09:20 AM
If I paid Foster and for whatever reason it turned out to be a mistake I could hold my head high knowing I did what any sane person would do.

Pay the man.

^^^^
This

But
1. Foster had maturity issues at Tennessee, it's why he was an UDFA
2. He really didn't see the field much as a rookie. Gary said it was because Foster needed to learn how to be a professional football player.
3. 2010, remember the Oakland game where Foster was benched as a disclinary action?
4. 2011, does anybody else remember Fosters twitter release of his MRI (hamstring? and the uproar it caused in the Texans organization, not to mention with the fan base?

Bottom line is, yes Foster has maturity issues. But he's ultra talented. I would sign him for 6 yrs at whatever the market bears. With an opt out after 3 yrs. Keeping a RB like Tate nipping at Fosters heels should keep him motivated.

Allstar
01-22-2012, 11:11 AM
If Foster was motivated by money I think he would have held out before this season.

thunderkyss
01-22-2012, 11:36 AM
If Foster was motivated by money I think he would have held out before this season.

Why, he still had 2 years left on his contract.

The "usual" hold out time, is before the last year of his contract, which is now.

Lady.Gaga.3000
01-22-2012, 12:03 PM
Does Foster deserve it? Absolutely, no questions.

The only thing that worries me is the short shelf life of running backs. Look at the top running backs today. How many are left from 2006 or earlier that are still producing? I think MJD and Steven Jackson are the only ones, and their bodies are bruisers.

EllisUnit
01-22-2012, 12:14 PM
Does Foster deserve it? Absolutely, no questions.

The only thing that worries me is the short shelf life of running backs. Look at the top running backs today. How many are left from 2006 or earlier that are still producing? I think MJD and Steven Jackson are the only ones, and their bodies are bruisers.

But with how elusive foster is, he often times avoids the big hit, i think he will have a solid 5-6 seasons a a top NFL running back and then 3-4 after that to where he is still productive but slowing down a little.

RunTexans
01-22-2012, 12:22 PM
This is all ridiculous...I have had an opportunity to talk with the family on numerous occasions, The reality about Arian and his family in general, is that they are good people, they instilled great things in all of their kids and his parents carry themselves very well...

When Arian was at Tennessee, he fell out of favor with coaches, that was the reason for the coaches to speak negatively about him. And if you understand sports especially big time college and pros, there are egos involved, and Arian never really "kneeled" to authority like most coaches wanted him to. He didnt disrespect them, he simply felt that he was a human being just like everyone else and deserved to be treated as such and not some piece of meat just because he was playing at that level.

When the time came for coaches to talk to GMs and scouts about him, the coaches spoke badly about him and his "work ethic" simply because he would "submit" like they were used to. (if you follow Foster on Twitter you'll get a great idea what I'm referring to and how he views things) The reality is, the way Arian viewed things didnt sit well with the powers that be and they didnt like it and made an example of Arian, or tried to.

They said Arian always had a great work ethic, he never had a bad one, he just works when no one is around, thats where he puts his work in. All this his bad attitude and bad work ethic is false, I too thought that when I heard the rumors, but after talking with his family in depth and understanding the story, there were a lot of falsehoods with Arian that lead to where he's at now and I dont think any amount of money will change his drive...I say pay him...

Vinny
01-22-2012, 01:31 PM
it's a waste of time worrying about this imo. Foster doesn't have that crackhead-like tic that Chris Johnson has, so he'll be fine - I think Cloak can back me up on that.

Hervoyel
01-22-2012, 01:36 PM
You don't have any choice but to pay Foster I think. I believe it's the right move but even if I didn't you have to know that if you don't pay him and let him go somewhere else (regardless of what you get in return) then you set a precedent that will hurt us in the future. The man performed for you on a UDFA contract and he did so at an All-Pro level without ever (to my knowledge) bitching about his money.

If you want that kind of player you reward that.

Hardcore Texan
01-22-2012, 01:42 PM
Umm sorry, but this question is like asking if you're scared to sleep with a beautiful woman.



PAY THE MAN.

This!

welsh texan
01-22-2012, 01:46 PM
This is all ridiculous...I have had an opportunity to talk with the family on numerous occasions, The reality about Arian and his family in general, is that they are good people, they instilled great things in all of their kids and his parents carry themselves very well...

When Arian was at Tennessee, he fell out of favor with coaches, that was the reason for the coaches to speak negatively about him. And if you understand sports especially big time college and pros, there are egos involved, and Arian never really "kneeled" to authority like most coaches wanted him to. He didnt disrespect them, he simply felt that he was a human being just like everyone else and deserved to be treated as such and not some piece of meat just because he was playing at that level.

When the time came for coaches to talk to GMs and scouts about him, the coaches spoke badly about him and his "work ethic" simply because he would "submit" like they were used to. (if you follow Foster on Twitter you'll get a great idea what I'm referring to and how he views things) The reality is, the way Arian viewed things didnt sit well with the powers that be and they didnt like it and made an example of Arian, or tried to.

They said Arian always had a great work ethic, he never had a bad one, he just works when no one is around, thats where he puts his work in. All this his bad attitude and bad work ethic is false, I too thought that when I heard the rumors, but after talking with his family in depth and understanding the story, there were a lot of falsehoods with Arian that lead to where he's at now and I dont think any amount of money will change his drive...I say pay him...

Nice to meet you, Arian :breakdance:

Marcus
01-22-2012, 02:15 PM
Let's see how quickly some of you forget what you're saying right now and come back with some "I told you not to pay him all that crazy money" crap if he pulls a Chris Johnson act after he gets the money.

Revisionist history reigns supreme on this board.

TheMatrix31
01-22-2012, 02:34 PM
This sums it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jUBbCgMWmE

Though I've been well-documented in my worry about him turning into Ricky Williams. These aloof, philosophical types always scare me.

Texan_Bill
01-22-2012, 02:48 PM
I'm not askeered to pay Foster, but I would be askeered to pay him Chris Johnson money!!!

Marcus
01-22-2012, 03:06 PM
I'm not askeered to pay Foster, but I would be askeered to pay him Chris Johnson money!!!

What the hell do you think his agent is going to be asking for?

Maybe some of you in the "pay the man" crowd might want to hold up until they start bouncing some numbers around.

I notice some are not even answering the question. I'll answer it. He'll yes, I'm scared. I know they have to pay him, but don't think for one god damned minute that I'm not worried that he won't earn it. And you don't pay him for what he did. You pay him for what he will do in the future.

Wait til he tweaks his hammy after he gets his money. I can see the threads already.

JamesBill
01-22-2012, 03:08 PM
When Arian was at Tennessee, he fell out of favor with coaches, that was the reason for the coaches to speak negatively about him. And if you understand sports especially big time college and pros, there are egos involved, and Arian never really "kneeled" to authority like most coaches wanted him to. He didnt disrespect them, he simply felt that he was a human being just like everyone else and deserved to be treated as such and not some piece of meat just because he was playing at that level.

When the time came for coaches to talk to GMs and scouts about him, the coaches spoke badly about him and his "work ethic" simply because he would "submit" like they were used to.
They said Arian always had a great work ethic, he never had a bad one, he just works when no one is around, thats where he puts his work in. All this his bad attitude and bad work ethic is false, I too thought that when I heard the rumors, but after talking with his family in depth and understanding the story, there were a lot of falsehoods with Arian that lead to where he's at now and I dont think any amount of money will change his drive...I say pay him...
I am not sure how much of this post I believe but yes Arian does feel at the core is he smarter than the system and prefers to do things his way. That is how you end up missing meetings and getting coaches to not trust you.

He obviously said "screw it I'm a soldier" these last few years and then dominated the NFL. You have to follow rules you think are dumb and needless if you are a player.

mattieuk
01-22-2012, 03:24 PM
To start off - I'll disclose that I think the majority of big money RB deals are stupid (I know it is easy to claim after the season he had, but I was laughing my ass off when the AP deal was announced by the Vikes last year).

With the amount of hits that RBs receive - to pay big money over anything more than 3 years, is absolute nuts. The CJ deal, I can just about live with - yeah he got paid, and yeah he did have an amazing season beforehand - and it is a 4 year deal which isn't too much of a handcuff.

With Arian, I think the Texans should look at a 3 year deal, and try and put in as many incentives as possible. He plays his best with a chip on his shoulder - perhaps playing for this money would work?

He does well to avoid hits - but with RBs they're always one blown cut, or gang tackle away from never being the same player ever again - 25-30 times a game.

Basically, I'm scared as heck - but with Arian's attitude, and performance so far, anything other than giving him a deal in line with similar performers in the league would be franchise madness.

EllisUnit
01-22-2012, 03:49 PM
What the hell do you think his agent is going to be asking for?

Maybe some of you in the "pay the man" crowd might want to hold up until they start bouncing some numbers around.

I notice some are not even answering the question. I'll answer it. He'll yes, I'm scared. I know they have to pay him, but don't think for one god damned minute that I'm not worried that he won't earn it. And you don't pay him for what he did. You pay him for what he will do in the future.

Wait til he tweaks his hammy after he gets his money. I can see the threads already.

That whole statment is untrue. You determine how much to pay players based on their past. Sure it is with the hope that they will continue to perform as they did in the past for the remainder of their contract, but to say players arent payed based on the past is absurd. Not to mention Foster hasnt been making squat the last 3 seasons, and he has rushed for more yards than any RB durning that span. There is no way the man dont get tons of money, either from us or by some other team. But it better be from us.

Texan_Bill
01-22-2012, 03:59 PM
What the hell do you think his agent is going to be asking for?

Maybe some of you in the "pay the man" crowd might want to hold up until they start bouncing some numbers around.

I notice some are not even answering the question. I'll answer it. He'll yes, I'm scared. I know they have to pay him, but don't think for one god damned minute that I'm not worried that he won't earn it. And you don't pay him for what he did. You pay him for what he will do in the future.

Wait til he tweaks his hammy after he gets his money. I can see the threads already.

First off, don't paint me as a guy that would overpay for a running back. I was a guy that was okay with Vonta walking.

That said, dude (Arian) deserves to be paid as one of the top three running backs in the league (Chris Johnson's contract aside).. SO, I go back to my original response, NO, I'm not askeered, given the parameters that I set forth.

Rey
01-22-2012, 04:58 PM
Don't pay foster and there will be problems down at reliant.

Not only will foster probably feel uneasy/upset, but it does not send a good message to the rest of the players especially the rb group.

The man is a beast, he's proved himself as a playmaker, he didn't raise a fuss about his contract this year; pay the man. The end.

JamesBill
01-22-2012, 05:12 PM
Don't pay foster and there will be problems down at reliant.


Yeah, he won't be there. If you don't agree to a contract and just tender him, he can sign it whenever he wants without penalty until the first regular season game.

And then he will become unrestricted and almost certainly leave. You have to pay him. I am just asking how scared we should be about it.

2slik4u
01-22-2012, 05:17 PM
Just to be clear, I am not saying don't pay him or he doesn't deserve it.

He deserves it, we should do the right thing and pay him.

I am asking is any part of you a little scared he will revert back to old ways. After a possible long negotiation.


For the record, YES. I am a tiny bit worried BUT what choice do we really have? I say pay the man and hope for the best. Only move to make here.

gafftop
01-22-2012, 06:23 PM
I don't like paying anybody crazy money. With Foster this is the year to pay him and still keep good feelings. He is a special talent. He is a RB so obviously you have the chance of injury. If you don't work something out this year it will be a lose/lose choice next year. Kind of like what we have with Mario this year. I think Foster may have that chip on his shoulder that keeps his fire burning. Treat him fairly and I think he goes to battle for you. Try to play salary games with him and i think he remembers. Anybody remember by the way when Chris Brown was our stud back. I think paying him now is the only choice and the right choice.

Rey
01-22-2012, 06:36 PM
Yeah, he won't be there. If you don't agree to a contract and just tender him, he can sign it whenever he wants without penalty until the first regular season game.

And then he will become unrestricted and almost certainly leave. You have to pay him. I am just asking how scared we should be about it.

I'm not scared at all.

I think foster will be a good back for a while.

Nawzer
01-22-2012, 06:40 PM
I'm not scared because it's not my money, but as a Texans fan I'm emotionally invested in this team. Foster deserves to "get paid" but I hope it's not a very long contract like a a 6 or 7 year deal. I think a 4 year deal is what the Texans should be looking at and as good as Foster is running backs just don't last a long time.

Goatcheese
01-22-2012, 08:33 PM
I can't get past the fact that this is the same plug and play Denver running attack that made Clinton Portis look like the best running back in football for a few years. He looked less than Hall of Fame in Washington.

I think Foster is a terrific talent and a great player, but a lot of what he does is thanks to a line filled with players who garnered All-Pro votes (Brown, Myers and Winston) and a proven system that pulls 1,000 yard 5 ypc rushers out of nowhere.

Without a doubt I offer him the top RFA tender this year, and if some fool wants to hand over a 1 and a 3 I take it and run unless the contract is favorable enough to make me bite.

Next year, if he's still a top guy, I offer him a fair, but certainly not CJ, contract.

For reference, his backup has rushed for a full ypc or more better than Foster the last two seasons behind the same line and the same scheme.

Foster 2010 4.9
Ward 2010 6.3
Foster 2011 4.4
Tate 2011 5.4

ObsiWan
01-22-2012, 09:58 PM
Answer: Yes. Pay him.

Rationale:
Our running game works like a charm; even when defenses know it's coming. Why screw with success? Sign Foster and keep Tate.

I think Rick Smith learned from his Dunta experience that he won't overpay Foster and I've seen nothing in Foster's behavior to indicate he's got the kind of ego that says he wants to be the highest paid RB in football. I believe that a good deal for both Foster and the Texans will be struck.

If I'm wrong and Foster is greedy, then we tender him and hope someone else opens their checkbook to Foster's liking and we get extra picks. I don't see a losing scenario from a Texans viewpoint.

Vinny
01-22-2012, 11:37 PM
Threads like this remind me that we've been a Drayton McLane town waaaaaay too long. The Texans won't be the NFL's farm club. :)

LongTimeLurker
01-23-2012, 02:19 AM
no way, he deserves to get paid no question about it...he could have easily held out this year

rmartin65
01-23-2012, 09:28 AM
I dont see how you cant be scared. Sure, he seems like a stand up guy. And sure, his playing style helps him avoid big hits. But the fact is that he is a runningback, a position that has the shortest career on average. He has a history of injuries, and even without that, all it takes is one freak occurrence.

I still want Foster to be resigned, but to just throw money at the man is stupid.

le14
01-24-2012, 01:48 PM
I can't get past the fact that this is the same plug and play Denver running attack that made Clinton Portis look like the best running back in football for a few years. He looked less than Hall of Fame in Washington.

I think Foster is a terrific talent and a great player, but a lot of what he does is thanks to a line filled with players who garnered All-Pro votes (Brown, Myers and Winston) and a proven system that pulls 1,000 yard 5 ypc rushers out of nowhere.

Without a doubt I offer him the top RFA tender this year, and if some fool wants to hand over a 1 and a 3 I take it and run unless the contract is favorable enough to make me bite.

Next year, if he's still a top guy, I offer him a fair, but certainly not CJ, contract.

For reference, his backup has rushed for a full ypc or more better than Foster the last two seasons behind the same line and the same scheme.

Foster 2010 4.9
Ward 2010 6.3
Foster 2011 4.4
Tate 2011 5.4

There's far more to running the ball then running the ball. Foster is a far better receiver out of the backfield and allows for a safety valve who can bust a big one at any time, and he has proved this. He has also been a far better blocker than Tate and Ward.

Pay the guy, he doesn't cause a bad environment, isn't an idiot (CJ1K), is a good teammate, and a good influence. He's a leader now and he shows it.

HJam72
01-24-2012, 02:13 PM
Pay me and Foster. :hurrah:

Say Watt
01-24-2012, 02:30 PM
Sure, I'm a little nervous. But shouldn't we be nervous just about anytime we sign a player to a big extension? I think you would be nuts to not be a little concerned anytime we spend a lot of money on one player.

One thing that gets me is so many of these anti-Foster guys (or anti-pay-Foster guys) is they were likely some of the first people to jump all over the Andre extension that made him the highest paid WR in football and were thrilled with it. Yet since then (and I think his newest contract was signed in 2010), he has played in a total of 20 games in two seasons and had just over 1,700 yards and 10 TDs in the same amount of time (roughly 850 yards and 5 TDs per season). Not bad numbers but certainly not top 5 WR numbers.

Now, obviously Dre has been hurt but if this continues (and I pray that it doesn't), his contract extension was a bad decision. The same could be said for Matt Schaub, a guy we gave up good draft picks to get and spent a large sum on the guy. Yet he has played in 11 games or less in 3 out of 5 seasons. Not exactly the best bargain.

So in summary, all I am saying is signing just about anyone to a big contact is scary. It doesn't matter how much of a sure thing you think the player is there is ALWAYS the possibility he could miss a significant amount of time due to injury or he could end up not playing as well as you hoped. But with that being said, that should never stop a football team from taking gambles on players that make your team better. And Arian Foster undoubtedly makes the Texans a better team.

Pay the man, Rick!

burro
01-24-2012, 03:51 PM
I can't think of a scenario in which we don't pay Foster his due. Any sane GM would do so and I would expect Rick Smith to do the same. If it doesn't work out then 'such is life', but it's a risk you have to take.

thunderkyss
01-24-2012, 05:11 PM
I can't think of a scenario in which we don't pay Foster his due. Any sane GM would do so and I would expect Rick Smith to do the same. If it doesn't work out then 'such is life', but it's a risk you have to take.

I don't know if it's a risk you have to take. But it is a risk worth taking.

Arian Foster is hands down our best player right now. Mad props to Andre... But he's on the downhill side of his career...

Rey
01-24-2012, 05:14 PM
I'm not nervous at all. It's not my money and if he does flame out (which I don't think he will), I believe we'll overcome it.

thunderkyss
01-24-2012, 05:50 PM
I'm not nervous at all. It's not my money and if he does flame out (which I don't think he will), I believe we'll overcome it.

What's the point of dead money any way?

If the player is washed up, can't play, or doesn't want to play, I understand requiring the teams to carry that dead money.

But if a guy gets hurt, if team puts a player on IR, or reaches an injury settlement, why aren't the granted an exception from the cap?