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srrono
01-18-2012, 02:10 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/name/2012-nfl-draft

insider please post

Dutchrudder
01-18-2012, 02:16 PM
Houston Texans

Record: 10-6
* Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers

When Andre Johnson was lost for a long stretch this season, it didn't totally derail the Houston offense. What it did do was severely hamper the Texans' play-action game, which can be simply devastating with the combination of a steady run game and the presence of Matt Schaub. In that scheme, the Texans can pile up chunk yardage with the pass, and Sanu is the type of guy who can stretch the field and be a huge threat across from Johnson. And when you consider that Johnson will be 31 entering the 2012 season, the Texans need this kind of presence around if he misses any more time. Sanu is hugely productive, creates space, has good speed and can contribute early.

kiwitexansfan
01-18-2012, 04:26 PM
Anyone else think that we are going to get mocked various WRs so much that there is no way we will actually end up drafting a WR?

Playoffs
01-18-2012, 04:28 PM
Anyone else think that we are going to get mocked various WRs so much that there is no way we will actually end up drafting a WR?
I think we sign FA WR -- need experience/proven skills now.

Texaninlild
01-18-2012, 04:52 PM
I think we sign FA WR -- need experience/proven skills now.

I think we need to draft a stud and pickup a stud WR and dump the garbage we have behind AJ. We could be the greatest show on turf part duex (when we replace the grass). A top 5 offense/defense is completely obtainable with a few additions and solid QB play.

Wolf6151
01-18-2012, 05:08 PM
I'd have no problem with Mohamed Sanu in the 1st round, he's got all the skill to be a very good WR.

bah007
01-18-2012, 05:40 PM
I'd like to keep AJ and Walter. Then we draft a WR high and sign a good WR in FA. That would give us four solid guys. We could keep Jacoby on as #5 or we could let the PS guys fight for it.

Dutchrudder
01-18-2012, 05:58 PM
I'd like to keep AJ and Walter. Then we draft a WR high and sign a good WR in FA. That would give us four solid guys. We could keep Jacoby on as #5 or we could let the PS guys fight for it.

Call me crazy, but I think we could trade JJ for a late round pick. He has a team friendly contract in that he can be cut outright if he doesn't perform. No guaranteed money left, so little risk. If he hits free agency, they will likely need to guarantee at least the base salary.

kiwitexansfan
01-18-2012, 07:03 PM
[QUOTE=bah007;1885640]Then we draft a WR high and sign a good WR in FA. [QUOTE]

I guess he big question is how much we have left in the FA kitty when we resign Foster, Briesel, Myers and maybe Mario.

Not sure we'll be able to land anything more the minnows with what we have left.

The thing I wonder is if we are getting good enough that players will give us a playing for a winner discount, especially the veterans looking for a ring.

Corrosion
01-18-2012, 09:34 PM
Then we draft a WR high and sign a good WR in FA.

I guess he big question is how much we have left in the FA kitty when we resign Foster, Briesel, Myers and maybe Mario.

Not sure we'll be able to land anything more the minnows with what we have left.

The thing I wonder is if we are getting good enough that players will give us a playing for a winner discount, especially the veterans looking for a ring.

I agree - Three of those four will definately be resigned and possibly all four. I dont know how much Foster , Myers or Briesel will command on the market .... but you have to figure they all see significant raises.

On MW - I dont think his cap hit going forward is as much as it was this past season ..... but I'd bet he averages at least 7.5m over 5 years in guaranteed money pending he stays.

Thats not going to leave a whole lot of wiggle room for a FA WR. Its most probable they look at that spot early in the draft.


If they take a WR in round one - I prefer Alshon Jeffery over Sanu. That guy's a lot like AJ physically .... Just a beast. He dominated some real good CB's this season. Just not sure he'sa vailable at 26.

Lucky
01-18-2012, 10:50 PM
Call me crazy, but I think we could trade JJ for a late round pick.
Would you prefer to be called Mr. Crazy, or just plain Crazy (like Madonna and Bono)?

aussie_texan
01-18-2012, 11:02 PM
there is no way we will get a stud FA WR. we simply don't have the space once we resign all our current players.

I'm pretty high on sank so would love this. its very hard to pick the difference once you get past floyd and blackmon. jones, wright, sanu all are very similar prospects

Dutchrudder
01-18-2012, 11:21 PM
Would you prefer to be called Mr. Crazy, or just plain Crazy (like Madonna and Bono)?

I know he's made some boneheaded plays, but some GM out there will probably be willing to take him for a 6th or 7th over what the WR they would draft otherwise. Especially teams with tons of cap room, and there are many out there will 40+ million to spend this FA period. He's going to be playing in the NFL somewhere, whether it's through trade or FA. Might as well get something for him if we can.

Playoffs
01-18-2012, 11:40 PM
1. Indianapolis Colts Record: 2-14* Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
We don't know yet who will be coaching the Colts in 2012 and we don't know who will be starting at quarterback, but I have a pretty good hunch Luck will be on the roster. I've said it before: He's the best quarterback prospect I've evaluated since John Elway, which also makes him a player who should be ready to start in Week 1 if the Colts do part ways with Peyton Manning. As a college player, Luck thinks and reads the game at an advanced level, can make adjustments on the fly and call plays and audibles at a remarkably high level for his age. He throws well moving left or right, keeps his eyes down the field and gets through progressions and into checkdowns extremely well. Nobody expects an easy transition for a rookie signal-caller, but Luck has the tools to make the transition easier than most.

2. St. Louis Rams Record: 2-14* Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma St.
There's a clear value question here, because I think St. Louis could leverage this position to trade down for more picks for 2012 and into the future, and then still target Blackmon perhaps a few spots later. But if the Rams can't find a dance partner for a trade, Blackmon still represents precisely what this offense needs. Sam Bradford took a step back in 2011, but he got little help, and Blackmon is a big target, a great route runner and a workaholic who could transition and learn the pro game quickly. St. Louis also could try to shore up an offensive line that took a step back, but Blackmon right now represents the top wide receiver in the draft and fills a big need for the Rams. It should be noted there are a number of teams drafting behind St. Louis that need an elite wide receiver.

3. Minnesota Vikings Record: 3-13* Matt Kalil, OT, USC
The Vikings are another team with a young quarterback, and while they could use a target such as Blackmon in the offense, they also really need to shore up their protection. You see a lot of left tackles drafted and moved to the right side as they transition into the NFL -- Tyron Smith with Dallas last year is a recent case -- but Kalil has big-time talent and could start on the left side early. I don't think the comparisons to Jake Long are too far off. Athletic, with long arms, great feet and deceptive power given an athletic frame, Kalil also could land at No. 2.

4. Cleveland Browns Record: 4-12* Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
If a team moves ahead of the Browns for Griffin, they also could be in play for Blackmon, or even the guy I have at No. 5, Trent Richardson. However, the questions on Colt McCoy's ceiling as a starting NFL quarterback are getting louder, and if the Browns don't go after a solution such as Matt Flynn, a quarterback certainly could be in play here. Griffin made big strides this past season, particularly with his deep accuracy. He is a big-time athlete at the quarterback position but has developed a very good pocket presence and the ability to read the game, and his big arm comes with a nice touch on intermediate throws. He is a leader and has intangibles that should really impress evaluators during the draft process.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Record: 5-11* Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
Don't simply dismiss the idea that Richardson could land here because of the presence of LaGarrette Blount. For one, we know that if you want a potent running game in the NFL, it can't be built simply around one running back. The reality of injuries is too much of a constant to overlook. Secondly, are the Bucs ready to commit to a longer deal with Blount after the 2012 season? Bottom line, the idea can't be dismissed from a team-building standpoint, and that's before you get to what kind of a player Richardson is. A physical freak, he is extraordinarily powerful, explodes from contact, has lower mileage than many third-year studs because he split carries as a freshman and sophomore with Mark Ingram and has developed as a pass-catcher. Richardson is a first-year impact player.


6. Washington Redskins Record: 5-11* Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
While the "Honey Badger," Tyrann Mathieu, piled up the headlines at LSU, the best cornerback on the team was quietly dominant all season. Currently a top-five player on my Big Board, Claiborne is the top cornerback in the draft. He has good length at 6-foot-1 and is a physical player at more than 180 pounds. The Redskins will need help at corner headed into 2012, particularly in a division in which the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles have elite talent at wide receiver. While not quite the athlete, Claiborne is actually a better pure cover corner than Patrick Peterson, the No. 5 overall pick from last year.

7. Jacksonville Jaguars Record: 5-11 Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
The Jags desperately need help at wide receiver, but they also really need help in the pass rush. They got to opposing quarterbacks less than two times a game in 2011, and Coples would fit the scheme as the current top 4-3 defensive end in the draft. Coples has great length at 6-foot-6, and while he has excellent skills as a pass-rusher, he also has the size to hold up in the run game. He doesn't quite have the athleticism of former North Carolina star Julius Peppers but should be able to upgrade the Jacksonville pass rush immediately, and guys with his size and skills aren't that easy to find.

8. Carolina Panthers Record: 6-10* Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
Were they to line up Kirkpatrick across from Chris Gamble, the Panthers would have a pair of corners with elite size and talent in a divison in which you can't have enough good corners. Opponents completed a hair less than 65 percent of their passes against the weak Carolina secondary in 2011, and Kirkpatrick can provide an immediate upgrade. He has elite size for the position, at 6-foot-3 and nearly 200 pounds, but doesn't give much away in cover skills. Kirkpatrick has some off-the-field questions that could hurt his stock, but reserving judgement for now, he'd be a fit here.

9. Miami Dolphins Record: 6-10* Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
The Dolphins made big improvments to the offensive line last year with their first-round pick, and Reiff would offer them an immediate starter and make the offensive line a big strength. Reiff's tape was exceptional this past season, and he has a lot of experience and a proven ability against top competition. The Dolphins were very close to being a good team in 2011, and I do think they can target a player on offense, although help at outside linebacker also makes sense. The Dolphins could be another team looking for options at quarterback, but even if they go into the season with Matt Moore back as starter, Reiff adds further stability to an offense that could continue to improve.

10. Buffalo Bills Record: 6-10 Courtney Upshaw, LB, Alabama
Buffalo did well when it drafted Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus with its first pick last year, but the pass rush still needs a lot of help. Upshaw is currently the best 3-4 outside linebacker in the draft, and he should be able to apply a lot of pressure to opposing quarterbacks from the edge for whoever gets him for 2012. No Buffalo player had more than 5.5 sacks in 2011, and the Bills simply can't get enough pressure without bringing extra players. Upshaw is a part of the solution. This is a big-time talent, a player who already was making an impact at Alabama as a freshman. He'll follow a similar path as a pro.

11. Kansas City Chiefs Record: 7-9 Devon Still, DT, Penn St.
Romeo Crennel could use a disruptive interior line presence in his system, and Still can be a penetrator in the 3-4, capable of occupying blockers and making plays in against the run while also splitting gaps against the pass. He came on in 2011 at Penn State and should help this defense up front, as the Chiefs also get Eric Berry back in the secondary in 2012. With this kind of reinforcement, the Chiefs have a chance to become an upper-echelon defense going forward, something they showed glimpses of this past season.

12. Seattle Seahawks Record: 7-9 Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
The Seahawks have quietly made major strides in overhauling the roster and finding solutions to grow with in the past two years. Last year, they targeted offensive linemen early, and with the addition of Sidney Rice and Doug Baldwin, also have good talent at wide receiver. Even banged up at O-line, they ran the ball with some effectiveness. Obviously, quarterback remains a big question, but that's not something they can target at this spot in the draft. What they can do is add a final piece to a defense that is young, fast and extremely good in the secondary. The linebacking corps was strengthened by the emergence of K.J. Wright. So the work is up front and at defensive end for a team that was just 23rd in the NFL last year in sack percentage. Ingram is just big enough to fit this system as a 4-3 defensive end, and should add a boost to the pass rush early.

13. Arizona Cardinals Record: 8-8* Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
The Cardinals need to mend the offensive line -- they haven't drafted an offensive lineman before the fifth round since 2007 -- and Martin is an athletic, powerful left tackle who can help upgrade this unit immediately. While questions remain about what the Cardinals have at the quarterback position after they committed so much both in terms of value and dollars to Kevin Kolb, there's no question they have to be better up front regardless of who takes the snaps. Again, that's a long time to go without getting some talent up front early in a draft. Martin would be a solid value here.

14. Dallas Cowboys Record: 8-8* David DeCastro, OG, Stanford
Last year, the Cowboys got Tyron Smith at No. 9 overall, and that pick helped them turn over the offensive line. The results were pretty good in 2011. With DeCastro, the Cowboys have a chance to solidify the interior of the line, helping both the running game and protection for Tony Romo and make that unit a strength. The way I see it, the Cowboys have good pieces in place at every other spot on the offense. The talent at wide receiver and tight end is fine, Romo was quietly among the top-performing quarterbacks and there's plenty at running back. Doubling down on the O-line should be an option for Jerry Jones. If the value is there, Dallas could also target the secondary.

15. Philadelphia Eagles Record: 8-8* Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College
The Eagles were really weak up the middle in 2011, and Kuechly is the top interior linebacker available in the draft. Since Brian Dawkins departed, safety has also been a perpetual question mark, so I could see that being considered here. But in Kuechly you get a player who can fill a massive void in the defense. He's a guy who can come in and start immediately; he's got exceptional instincts, is a very good athlete, demonstrates great form and can fly around making tackles in the middle of the field. He's just a machine. Last year, few teams were forced to utilize lesser talent at linebacker than Philly, and Kuechly can help fix that problem.

16. New York Jets Record: 8-8 Mark Barron, S, Alabama
Last year the Jets targeted help up front in the first round, and while the pass rush still needs some work, the secondary is a big concern because of the way the Jets' safeties got abused this year. You'd see teams lining up bigger receivers in the slot to target New York's smaller safeties and force Rex Ryan to make some tough decisions in coverage. In Barron, the Jets would get the best safety in the draft, a big, rangy talent with big-game experience and the ability to match up against taller receivers and tight ends. The Jets have schemed around a weakness at safety, but it's time to put a better talent back there.

http://forum.walterfootball.com/showthread.php?25439-Mel-Kiper-Mock-1-0

Playoffs
01-18-2012, 11:41 PM
17. Cincinnati Bengals (from Oakland) Record: 8-8 Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
It says a lot about last year's draft that Cincinnati can put the focus back on defense with one of its first-round picks in 2012. Dennard is a solid, physical cover corner who would offer a talent upgrade in the secondary. The Bengals could go a few directions here, but after getting a decent year out of veteran Nate Clements, they should look at getting a younger player who can develop even as he helps early. Dennard fits the bill.

18. San Diego Chargers Record: 8-8 Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia
The Chargers fell apart up front this past season, mostly due to injury, and Glenn is one of those really attractive picks who can help you immediately because he can play pretty much everywhere. That's what he did during his time at Georgia, as a dominating guard who also has worked on the edge at a high level. Glenn is a safe pick, and the Chargers simply must do something up front to help Philip Rivers get comfortable again. He struggled in 2011, but his problems started up front.

19. Chicago Bears Record: 8-8 Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
If the Bears learned anything when Jay Cutler went down this season, it was that the offense wasn't very pretty without him. But Cutler also needs help. Last year, Chicago had to start up front because the offensive line was such a weakness. But as the Bears anticipate getting some healthy bodies back up front to start 2012, they now must find some help for Cutler at wide receiver. The current group has some speed, but he could use a big target, and Floyd can be that guy. He has a big frame, but Floyd actually dropped some weight for the 2011 season, and he managed to look quicker and more explosive in and out of his breaks without giving up much as a physical receiver. He'd be a nice option in this offense and a threat in the red zone.

20. Tennessee Titans Record: 9-7* Nick Perry, DE, USC
He started as a freshman at Southern Cal, and it's because he is just a natural pass-rusher. This season, he added to his repertoire, and he can help a team early as a pass-rushing specialist in a 4-3 defense. Tennessee's pass rush was really bad this season; the Titans got to opposing quarterbacks on just 4.52 percent of drop-backs, a rate that was 31st in the NFL. Perry probably could add some bulk to his frame, but his instincts as a pass-rusher are in place and the Titans certainly need the help.

21. Cincinnati Bengals Record: 9-7* Lamar Miller, RB, Miami (Fla.)
Cedric Benson has been serviceable for the Bengals, but they desperately need to add some explosiveness in the run game. Even with what I considered an underrated offensive line, the Bengals managed just 3.9 yards per rush attempt this season. With solutions now in place in the passing game, they are one of the teams that can afford to take a shot on a potentially elite running back in the first or second round. Miller can run inside but also break off the big run, something the Bengals never got with Benson.

22. Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta) Record: 4-12 Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
Quietly, Wright had a season that almost matched Blackmon's in the Big 12. The Browns might not end up with Griffin with the No. 4 pick, but his teammate would make a lot of sense here. Greg Little is a developing big target and had a pretty good rookie season given the overall performance of the Cleveland offense. Wright is smaller at about 5-10, 190 pounds, but could add a speed threat this offense really needs. He can beat teams over the top with straight-line speed but also works underneath and will do a lot of damage after the catch. The Browns need weapons, and Wright, who also has great hands, fits the profile.

23. Detroit Lions Record: 10-6 Zach Brown, LB, North Carolina
Detroit again will go into the 2012 season with perhaps the best front four in the NFL. Martin Mayhew and Jim Schwartz calculated well that the secondary would make strides after being such a weakness in previous seasons. Where the Lions could use help is at linebacker, and Brown would be a good fit. Brown has great instincts as a rangy tackler, and he has a lot of speed and can run with tight ends. I certainly can see the Lions looking for help on the offensive line at this spot, but if a top tackle doesn't fall to them here, Brown makes sense.

24. Pittsburgh Steelers Record: 12-4* Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
Dick LeBeau can do a lot of things, but he can't scheme around age. The Steelers were very good on defense this season, but they simply have to get younger, particularly up front, if they want to maintain it. Poe has risen a lot for me in terms of value, but he's also a rarity, that zero-technique centerpiece to a 3-4 defense, the guy who simply eats up tacklers and is a human wall in the run game. If he develops, Poe can be the heir to Casey Hampton in the middle of that scheme, a human boulder who will free up those linebackers.

25. Denver Broncos Record: 8-8* Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi St.
Denver had some really good stretches on defense, particularly in the pass rush, but the Broncos weren't very consistent and the numbers were a little worse than people might realize. The pass rush is there on the outside, but Cox is a guy who can penetrate and get tackles for loss from the inside. The Broncos could go a few ways, including receiver if they see a value or perhaps corner. But the way the board falls here, Cox would be a good fit for a defense that better be elite as the offense attempts to find consistency.

26. Houston Texans Record: 10-6* Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
When Andre Johnson was lost for a long stretch this season, it didn't totally derail the Houston offense. What it did do was severely hamper the Texans' play-action game, which can be simply devastating with the combination of a steady run game and the presence of Matt Schaub. In that scheme, the Texans can pile up chunk yardage with the pass, and Sanu is the type of guy who can stretch the field and be a huge threat across from Johnson. And when you consider that Johnson will be 31 entering the 2012 season, the Texans need this kind of presence around if he misses any more time. Sanu is hugely productive, creates space, has good speed and can contribute early.

27. New England Patriots (from Saints)Record: 13-3* Michael Brockers, DL, LSU
The Patriots have a pair of picks in the first round, and my guess is they'll look to get younger on the defensive line and work to add some pieces to a pass rush. That was something they really didn't address in last year's draft, but as creative and resourceful as they are, it might be time. Brockers could end up a lot higher than this when the evaluation process is over because his reputation is growing. I list him simply as a defensive lineman because the Pats could use him in a couple of different ways up front in that scheme. What he can do is add explosiveness on the interior -- he's a pentrator with the ability to dominate if left to a single blocker, which frees people up.

28. Green Bay Packers Record: 15-1 Whitney Mercilus, LB, Illinois
It was masked somewhat by reputation, but no team in the NFL had a lower sack rate than Green Bay during the regular season. And it was on display again in the playoffs -- the Packers simply can't create pressure without bringing blitzers, leaving the secondary vulnerable. Mercilus (pronounced "merciless") played to that description at Illinois this past season. I see him standing up as an outside linebacker after playing with his hand on the ground in college. At 6-4, 265 pounds, he has a good profile for the position, and he really knows how to get to the quarterback. The question on him is he really exploded this season, so the body of work is lighter than some, but the Packers need to find some pass-rush help and Mercilus is a good value here based on his current grade.

29. New York Giants Record: 9-7 Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida St.
The Giants have done a fantastic job of coaching up this offensive line after some big changes heading into the season, but they could get younger and add some talent, and Sanders would be a solid fit. This offense is going to be dynamic if it can open holes for the run game and provide time for Eli Manning, so an investment in the offensive line is never a bad idea.

30. Baltimore Ravens Record: 12-4* Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona St.
He's been drawing comparisons to Ray Lewis since he got to Tempe, and hopefully Lewis will be around for another year to mentor Burfict. But either way, the Ravens have to consider what they'll do, as retirement talk now is a reality for their legendary linebacker, and Burfict is the kind of player who could develop into a star in his own right in that defense. He is instinctive and rangy, and plays with an edge. He developed a bit of a reputation as a guy who was prone to the personal foul, but if he channels that energy, Burfict could be a very good one. He has a ton of experience as an immediate freshman starter and reads the game pretty well.

31. San Francisco 49ers Record: 13-3* Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
The 49ers got much better production out of the offense this season, but I still see a need for a big target on the outside, something Braylon Edwards wasn't able to provide. Jeffery is an absolute beast, a guy who plays at more than 230 pounds and easily could top 6-foot-4 when he measures out. He goes up over corners and attacks the ball, catching it away from his body like a rebounder. The Niners struggled mightily in the red zone all season, and Jeffery might not be a burner but is the kind of player you can post up in the end zone to help solve that problem.

32. New England Patriots Record: 13-3 Andre Branch, LB, Clemson
A defensive end at the college level, Branch would convert to outside linebacker and add some immediate help to the New England pass rush. He racked up 10.5 sacks this past season and has a 6-foot-5, 260-pound frame, a good physical fit for the transition. Branch also has the athleticism to be more than a pure pass-rusher, as he should be able to develop into a well-rounded OLB under Bill Belichick.

http://forum.walterfootball.com/showthread.php?25439-Mel-Kiper-Mock-1-0

Wolf6151
01-19-2012, 12:20 AM
Kiper has us passing on Alshon Jeffery in favor of Mohamed Sanu, interesting. Maybe he knows something about Jeffery that we don't.

Corrosion
01-19-2012, 04:56 AM
Kiper has us passing on Alshon Jeffery in favor of Mohamed Sanu, interesting. Maybe he knows something about Jeffery that we don't.

I think he's smokin something with that choice. :barman:

otisbean
01-19-2012, 05:42 AM
I don't know if Sanu is better than AJ or not, BUT I've read on a couple sites that Sanu's numbers would have been a LOT better if not for spotty QB play, FWIW.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-19-2012, 06:57 AM
I am good with taking Sanu with our 1st rd pick. But, if Jeffery is available like how mock went down, I would take Jeffery instead. But, what I know. I ain't expert.

Go Texans!!!

Playoffs
01-19-2012, 09:26 AM
Regardless of name recognition, Kiper is notoriously off base on draft predictions compared to the other draftniks.

Nawzer
01-19-2012, 04:42 PM
I know we have a big need at the no.2 WR spot, but how about drafting one of these hybrid WR/TE types that is gaining in popularity. Guys like Jimmy Graham and Rob Gronkowski are a matchup nightmare for opposing defenses and those two guys were not first round draft picks. I know we have a really good TE group, but I think we can use more explosive plays from that position. I would love to have a guy like Jimmy Graham who can just out jump the DBs in the red zone. So, with all that said are there any guys out there in this year's draft who can be the next Jimmy Graham or Jermichael Finley? If we can get one of these guys with a later round pick, we can then draft for some other position of need (like another corner or OL) instead of a WR.

Rey
01-19-2012, 05:27 PM
I know we have a big need at the no.2 WR spot, but how about drafting one of these hybrid WR/TE types that is gaining in popularity. Guys like Jimmy Graham and Rob Gronkowski are a matchup nightmare for opposing defenses and those two guys were not first round draft picks. I know we have a really good TE group, but I think we can use more explosive plays from that position. I would love to have a guy like Jimmy Graham who can just out jump the DBs in the red zone. So, with all that said are there any guys out there in this year's draft who can be the next Jimmy Graham or Jermichael Finley? If we can get one of these guys with a later round pick, we can then draft for some other position of need (like another corner or OL) instead of a WR.

We need another WR. I don't think there is anyway around that.

But if we go corner or O-line in the first round I don't think it'd be the end of the world.

Hervoyel
01-19-2012, 06:09 PM
Kiper has us passing on Alshon Jeffery in favor of Mohamed Sanu, interesting. Maybe he knows something about Jeffery that we don't.

I think he's smokin something with that choice. :barman:


He knows where he put his crack pipe. That's about all he knows.

I just always look at Kiper and think "Tell me what's not gonna happen" and just like that, he does.

Nawzer
01-19-2012, 07:38 PM
We need another WR. I don't think there is anyway around that.

But if we go corner or O-line in the first round I don't think it'd be the end of the world.

Ofcourse we need another good WR, but this maybe the route the Texans take if the guy they want is not available. You certainly don't want to reach simply because of a need to fill a hole. The key is to get good value and the Texans may be better served drafting for some other position.

TEXANRED
01-19-2012, 07:51 PM
Houston Texans

Record: 10-6
* Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers

When Andre Johnson was lost for a long stretch this season, it didn't totally derail the Houston offense. What it did do was severely hamper the Texans' play-action game, which can be simply devastating with the combination of a steady run game and the presence of Matt Schaub. In that scheme, the Texans can pile up chunk yardage with the pass, and Sanu is the type of guy who can stretch the field and be a huge threat across from Johnson. And when you consider that Johnson will be 31 entering the 2012 season, the Texans need this kind of presence around if he misses any more time. Sanu is hugely productive, creates space, has good speed and can contribute early.

Careful with this stuff now. You will get the site shut down for posting copy righted material and land yourself if prison for the next 5 years. :truck:

Lucky
01-19-2012, 08:35 PM
I know he's made some boneheaded plays, but some GM out there will probably be willing to take him for a 6th or 7th over what the WR they would draft otherwise.
Really? Did Casserly get a GM gig and I missed it?

Kiper has us passing on Alshon Jeffery in favor of Mohamed Sanu, interesting. Maybe he knows something about Jeffery that we don't.
What he's saying is that Sanu can stretch the field, but Jeffery can't. I don't know if that's true - Jeffery has a 16.6 ypc career average. And Sanu carries an average of a little over 10 yards per reception.

Dutchrudder
01-19-2012, 10:03 PM
Really? Did Casserly get a GM gig and I missed it?

We shall see. I think it's more likely he gets cut, but he could be worth something on the market.


What he's saying is that Sanu can stretch the field, but Jeffery can't. I don't know if that's true - Jeffery has a 16.6 ypc career average. And Sanu carries an average of a little over 10 yards per reception.

Sanu and Alshon are used differently. Sanu does everything for Rutgers, which is why he has 115 receptions this year versus Alshon who had 49. The film I have seen of Sanu shows him all over the field, he's not just a deep threat. He goes over the middle, does quick slants, gets the long ball, etc etc. He's like an AJ to that team. Jeffery strikes me more as a homerun kind of guy to me. He gets a lot of deep routes.

Lucky
01-20-2012, 12:44 AM
Sanu and Alshon are used differently. Sanu does everything for Rutgers, which is why he has 115 receptions this year versus Alshon who had 49. The film I have seen of Sanu shows him all over the field, he's not just a deep threat. He goes over the middle, does quick slants, gets the long ball, etc etc.
It's not that Sanu's "not just a deep threat". It's that he hasn't been used as a deep threat at all. He has one 50+ yard reception in 3 years. Not that Sanu couldn't run deep routes, or wouldn't be a value selection at #26. Just that Kiper's explanation of the pick (and his assessment of Jeffery) is whack. Jeffery has 7 50+ yard TD catches in his 3 seasons at South Carolina.

Wolf6151
01-20-2012, 01:56 AM
I read on another site several months ago that the reason Jerrery's stock is dropping is because of the fact that he added some weight last summer, and didn't take it off in preseason, thus making him a little slower and causing his lack of production this past season. I think his lack of production is also caused by poor QB play at S.C. as well. I think the Combine will be very important to him. Teams will want to see if he's lost the weight, regained his speed, and this will show his dedication to the sport and position.

beerlover
01-20-2012, 11:19 AM
I don't really buy scouting concerns of average speed and burst, that it will keep him from separating against NFL-caliber CB's. He has elite length, big strong mitts & owned SEC competition since freshmen year. In final game with Gamecocks he was Capital One Bowl MVP & that was vs Nebraska vaunted DB Alfonzo Dennard (ranked #29 prospect CBS Draft Scout)) Alshon caught 4 passes, TD & 148 yards in first half only, Jeffery was ejected in second half for fighting. 3,042 yards receiving over three seasons. Reminds me a little of Plaxico Burress when he came out of Michigan State & drafted 8th overall by the Pittsburgh Steelers. I would be happy if he's still there #26.

DocBar
01-21-2012, 12:57 PM
If Sanu is graded BPA at 26, draft him. If he isn't, then draft whoever is BPA at 26. I'll be singing the BPA all offseason. No need to reach at any position.

beerlover
01-21-2012, 01:25 PM
If Sanu is graded BPA at 26, draft him. If he isn't, then draft whoever is BPA at 26. I'll be singing the BPA all offseason. No need to reach at any position.

can't imagine Sanu given a first round grade. Tweener size, skill set, almost reminds me of Reggie Bush without the burst.

ObsiWan
01-21-2012, 02:13 PM
I know we have a big need at the no.2 WR spot, but how about drafting one of these hybrid WR/TE types that is gaining in popularity. Guys like Jimmy Graham and Rob Gronkowski are a matchup nightmare for opposing defenses and those two guys were not first round draft picks. I know we have a really good TE group, but I think we can use more explosive plays from that position. I would love to have a guy like Jimmy Graham who can just out jump the DBs in the red zone. So, with all that said are there any guys out there in this year's draft who can be the next Jimmy Graham or Jermichael Finley? If we can get one of these guys with a later round pick, we can then draft for some other position of need (like another corner or OL) instead of a WR.

While I'm with you on this we have to get a legit #2 WR.
However, a TE with some speed fits our offensive scheme and presents more of a deep threat than Dreessen - at least more separation - on play action and rollouts.

Just for chatting purposes, here's Mel HairGel's top five TEs
...the stats are... Ht / Wt / Rec. / Yds / Avg. / Long / TDs / Fumbles

Dwayne Allen (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/381462/dwayne-allen) (Clemson) .6-4 / 255 / 50 / 598 / 12.0 / 54 / 8 / 0
Orson Charles (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/482765/orson-charles) (Georgia) .6-3 / 241 /45 / 574 / 12.8 / 36 / 5 / 0
Coby Fleener (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=236965) (Stanford) .6-6 / 244 / 34 / 667 / 19.6 / 62 /10 / 0
Ladarius Green (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=384896) (La.-Laff) 6-6 / 230 / 51 / 606 / 11.9 / 44 / 8 / 0
Michael Egnew (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/381402/michael-egnew) (Missouri) 6-6 / 245 / 50 / 523 / 10.5 / 39 / 3 / 0

None of these guys cracked his 1st rd but may start to vanish in the 2nd or 3rd.

steelbtexan
01-21-2012, 02:35 PM
I don't really buy scouting concerns of average speed and burst, that it will keep him from separating against NFL-caliber CB's. He has elite length, big strong mitts & owned SEC competition since freshmen year. In final game with Gamecocks he was Capital One Bowl MVP & that was vs Nebraska vaunted DB Alfonzo Dennard (ranked #29 prospect CBS Draft Scout)) Alshon caught 4 passes, TD & 148 yards in first half only, Jeffery was ejected in second half for fighting. 3,042 yards receiving over three seasons. Reminds me a little of Plaxico Burress when he came out of Michigan State & drafted 8th overall by the Pittsburgh Steelers. I would be happy if he's still there #26.

Agreed

But if Jeffrey fell to 17-20 range would you trade up and pick him?

I've got a feeling that either Floyd or Jeffery are going to fall out of the top 15. Either one of them would be worth trading up for. IMHO

ObsiWan
01-21-2012, 03:46 PM
Agreed

But if Jeffrey fell to 17-20 range would you trade up and pick him?

I've got a feeling that either Floyd or Jeffery are going to fall out of the top 15. Either one of them would be worth trading up for. IMHO

Say we did want to move up to #15 (that's the Eagles); what do guys think that we would have to give up?

Playoffs
01-21-2012, 04:10 PM
Say we did want to move up to #15 (that's the Eagles); what do guys think that we would have to give up?
1070(15) - 700(26) = 370 trade value points (http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php).

Our 2012 #2 = 380 trade value points (http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php).

That's an expectedly pretty good player -- 52nd -- to give. (Tate was 58th.)

Wolf6151
01-21-2012, 05:16 PM
1070(15) - 700(26) = 370 trade value points (http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php).

Our 2012 #2 = 380 trade value points (http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php).

That's an expectedly pretty good player -- 52nd -- to give. (Tate was 58th.)

Hell NO to that trade up idea, I want both Josh Chapman and Kevin Zeitler in the 2nd round. We need to figure out a way to gain a 2nd round pick not give it away. Of the top 3 WR's I think Jeffery has the potential to fall but there will be other great WR's at #26, Jones or Sanu, that don't require trading up for.

DocBar
01-22-2012, 01:20 PM
I don't see any reason at all to trade up at all in this draft. Trading down could always be an option. I'm telling you guys, this is going to be a pretty boring draft for us. Lots of depth, lots of solid football players, hopefully a few diamonds in the rough.
Heck, I think the whole offseason will be pretty boring, depending on what happens with MW. I don't see us as big players in FA or making any big draft day splashes.

Lucky
01-22-2012, 08:58 PM
I don't see any reason at all to trade up at all in this draft.
There's not. Guys just like playing around with the draft pick formulas. It's possible that a team might make the Texans an offer to move back into the 2nd round. But, it's almost impossible to predict until the draft actually unfolds.

What may be easier to predict is what type of player the Texans would draft. After last year, we have a good idea of what Wade wants in a player. After 6 years, we have a pretty good idea of what Gary is looking for. And after 10 years, we know Bob McNair's criteria. You can narrow the field include and reject prospects based upon what's known about Texans football.

DocBar
01-22-2012, 10:20 PM
There's not. Guys just like playing around with the draft pick formulas. It's possible that a team might make the Texans an offer to move back into the 2nd round. But, it's almost impossible to predict until the draft actually unfolds.

What may be easier to predict is what type of player the Texans would draft. After last year, we have a good idea of what Wade wants in a player. After 6 years, we have a pretty good idea of what Gary is looking for. And after 10 years, we know Bob McNair's criteria. You can narrow the field include and reject prospects based upon what's known about Texans football.Yeah, I agree with this. It's just mho that scenarios w/trading up are ridiculous this offseason. I enjoy trying to spot likely candidates for the Texans.

Corrosion
01-23-2012, 01:50 AM
1070(15) - 700(26) = 370 trade value points (http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php).

Our 2012 #2 = 380 trade value points (http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php).

That's an expectedly pretty good player -- 52nd -- to give. (Tate was 58th.)

Honestly you can throw this away .... it hasnt been updated since the new CBA and rookie contracts being scaled. Those first round butsts now cost a lot less and the first round phenoms are now a bargin in comparison to past years.