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05-03-2005, 01:21 PM
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Favre upset with Walker

By Chris Havel

Brett Favre isn’t sure whether Javon Walker cares what he thinks of his receiver’s holdout, but just in case, the Green Bay Packers’ quarterback made it clear.

“If Javon wants to know what his quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I’d tell him he’s going about this the wrong way,” Favre said. “When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I’d tell him I’ve been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you.”

Favre, 35, expressed his disappointment with Walker during a telephone interview from his Hattiesburg, Miss., home. He said he was upset when he heard Walker intended to sit out the season if the Packers don’t renegotiate his contract.

Walker, the Packers’ first-round draft pick in 2002, has two years remaining on his existing deal. He is scheduled to make $515,000 this season and $650,000 in 2006. Walker had a breakout season last year when he caught 89 passes for 1,382 yards and 12 touchdowns. He played in his first Pro Bowl in February.

“I would’ve never thought it would be a guy like Javon,” Favre said. “I guess in this business nothing should surprise you, especially what happens when guys have a little bit of success. Some guys handle it the right way and some guys don’t.”

Favre said Walker’s holdout reminded him of Sterling Sharpe’s decision to hold out the night before the Packers hosted the Vikings in the 1994 season opener.

“Nowadays you’re seeing more and more guys pulling that stunt,” he said. “If guys continue to do that and are successful getting away with it, then I’ll be gone, but I think the game will be ruined. My reaction to Javon’s situation was ‘Here we go again.’

“Javon has tremendous potential. We got to see some of that last year. The sky’s the limit for that guy, and I’d be the first to defend him, but he’s going about it the wrong way. What happened to honoring your contract and saying, ‘Let’s work as a team to see if we can get this done?’ Why not go about it that way?

“Maybe I’m old-school, but I always thought you honor a contract. Sure, sometimes guys pass you up in salary, and maybe it’s a lesser player, but it’s all based on what a team has as far as value in that person.”

Favre left no doubt as to how he thinks the Packers should handle the situation.

“I sure hope the Packers don’t give in to him,” he said. “I don’t sit up in the front office, and I don’t talk to them — regardless of what people might think — and tell them who to draft and who not to draft. They don’t ask me, and it’s not my job. My job is to throw passes and be a leader.

“That’s why I decided to speak up. I need to be a leader and even though I may not like having to do it, I think some things needed to be said.”

Favre was excused from the team’s post-NFL draft minicamp. He heard of Walker’s decision to hold out on Thursday evening. He said Walker might be wise to go to General Manager Ted Thompson directly and try to work out a new deal.

“Whatever happened to buying into the team concept?” he said. “If Javon does what he’s supposed to do, and what he is paid a lot of money to do, he’s paid to go to the Pro Bowl. He wasn’t complaining two years ago, and until you do go (to the Pro Bowl), you don’t even think twice about what they’re paying you.”

If Walker’s stance doesn’t change, Favre said, “I’d just as soon go without him. He’s a great player. I think he can help us. He’s likeable and easy to get along with, but I’m guessing he’s getting the wrong advice, and he’s buying into that.

“I just don’t see much good that can come from it. If it gets time for the start of training camp and he’s not in, I think it’ll start bothering him, and he’ll be here. But once again, nothing should surprise you.

“We’ve got guys who’ll give great effort. Stars are made that way. Look what happened when Sterling left. Robert Brooks stepped up. We can win without him.”


05-03-2005, 01:41 PM
If he suffers a career ending injury; he'll no longer be there, and as a late first rounder or second rounder, he has made enough to be financially secure. Give him the money. Trust me, the Packers won't win this year, and I really hope he sits out.

05-03-2005, 02:11 PM
Walker is a product of Farve he better listen up or he wont get too many balls thrown his way.

05-03-2005, 02:54 PM
Injuries are a risk you take when you play the game. He signed a contract and now that he had a good year he wants a big payday.

If every time a player had a good year he expects a new contract.. it wouldnt take long for good teams to become bad teams. The whole point of getting a diamond in the rough is the value you receive from him. One year is just not enough to get the big bucks.. he needs to play another season.. if he continues his performance, im sure GB would be happy to renegotiate his contract before his contract year comes up.. but by holding out now and trying to force his hand, he is burning bridges. Not only is he risking his chance of getting that big payday.. he is making a bad reputation for himself, showing that he is not a team player, and alienating his teammates. Its an all around stupid move. It shows now class. I like to think that honor isnt just some cheesy ideal you see in movies and books.... when you sign your name to a contract, you should feel obligated to fulfill that contract.

I know that If I signed a contract to play ball for 5 years or whatever.. I would give everything I had to be a key player on that team, so that when my 5 years was up, I would get that nice fat contract. I wouldnt back out in year two cause I was playing better than I was getting paid.. Making 800k (!!!) and being a playmaker just makes me that much more valuable to my team.. and doing it without complaining would make my coaches want to keep me around for as long as possible.

seriously.. boohoo Im only making as much money as a brain surgeon.. how will I ever feed my children :P.

El Tejano
05-03-2005, 04:10 PM
I am just glad to hear there are still players that want to handle things the old school way. Favre don't play for the money.

05-03-2005, 07:10 PM
That contract is garbage for a first roung pick! Waker needs to fire his agent, or who ever negotiated that contract!

05-03-2005, 11:58 PM
you know i've gotten tired of all the holdout bs...farve is right his place is in camp getting this team better while farve is still there...too bad there isn't more brett farve's in this business

gg no re
05-04-2005, 12:26 PM
As long as someone shoots Drew Rosenwhore many times, there should be no worries.

05-04-2005, 10:34 PM
Man, talk about a double standard. People got on Jeff Garcia's case when he talked about Winslow needing to get into camp. But I know Farve is on a different level and Walker owes has stats to Farve.

dirty steve
05-04-2005, 11:19 PM
fyi--javon walker's new agent is drew rosenhaus, the same person who is holding out terrell owens and anquan boldin.

05-05-2005, 07:54 AM
That contract is garbage for a first roung pick! Waker needs to fire his agent, or who ever negotiated that contract!

No, that contract is NOT garbage, gentle sir. You need to look at the WHOLE contract.

Agents hold their players out for the large signing bonus. Their logic is that the bonus is 'guaranteed money', in case the player gets hurt. The TEAM's perspective is they have to average that money across all 5 years of the contract, but they have to pay it up front. The compromise with the agent is paying the large bonus up front, in exchange for lower base salaries near the end of the contract.

So Walker did get his money, it was in the form of a first-round signing bonus. Don't go crying to the Packers if you spent it all on Escalade rims and gold chains, my man. :dangit:

USUALLY in the case of a break-through player, the franchise and the agent get together with time left on the deal and sign an extension. The player gets a raise, another big bonus, etc.

Conventional wisdom says you need more than ONE measly breakout year to earn that though. This player needs to sit down and shut up. Give the Pack another great year, and they'll be throwing money at him.

05-05-2005, 03:13 PM
Vikings safety Darren Sharper strongly criticized Packers quarterback Brett Favre for sticking his nose into wide receiver Javon Walker's contract dispute. Sharper was asked what weight Favre's words can carry with another player on the Packers. "No weight," Sharper said. "They don't carry any weight right now because Javon Walker is a Pro Bowl player and he's going to do what he wants to do. He is not in Javon's shoes right now. Javon should not pay attention to his comments at all. What's going on with the minicamps and whether or not Javon's there -- Brett wasn't at minicamp so it really doesn't make a difference who is there. I have the utmost respect for Brett and what he feels as far as guys on his team but when it comes to contract situations, those are personal matters. Brett should not have anything to say about that. It has nothing to do with him."
-- Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/05/05/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html)

05-05-2005, 03:35 PM
No surprise there. Favre is still right though.

Youngstown Colt
05-05-2005, 05:37 PM
Man, talk about a double standard. People got on Jeff Garcia's case when he talked about Winslow needing to get into camp. But I know Farve is on a different level and Walker owes has stats to Farve.
What? I don't think I remember people giving him ****, and I'm in the heart of browns country

Youngstown Colt
05-05-2005, 05:38 PM
Darren Sharper, while commenting on another teams business, says that Brett should stay out of someone's business.


Texan Dave
05-05-2005, 08:36 PM
What's sad is that if he'd go ahead and play out the year in this contract they'ed probably go ahead and be more than happy to give him a fat extension next year. It just seems to me that the really good young players hardly ever play out their last year on their contract, they almost always have no problems at all getting a good extension before the last season on ther contract. I'd be willing to bet that Andre Johnson will play out till the next to last year of his contract, and then he'll hit a huge payday before his last season on his contract, and we'll never see all of this bull in the papers about him holding out.

05-09-2005, 02:37 AM
Ok this is so crazy. Folks complaining. But this is a TWO way street. If the OWNERS didn't go back and re-negotiate players money every time one of them had a bad season then I would be with the owners (most of whom are billionaires or close to billionaires) so clearly they aint hurting for the money.

Players deserve every right that if you might have your career end tomorrow that u get every dollar you can. Screw this Favre is right junk. FAVRE GOT HIS MONEY!!!! and he's a golden boy so he aint have to hold out for his money.

gg no re
05-09-2005, 04:22 PM
Favre has done well for more than one season.

Javon has only done well for one season.

One has earned his money. One hasn't proven if he's more than just a one shot pony yet.

If your career could end on any Sunday, here's an idea: Don't blow your money on unneccessary bling.

05-09-2005, 04:44 PM
so you are saying that if you aren't one of the best performers at your job for the year you aren't expecting any kind of bonus or raise? C'mon be serious.

Texan Dave
05-09-2005, 06:48 PM
I've decided that considering the rediculouse amount of money that the owners and players are making, who really cares if he gets it or not. I mean the guy was a first round draft pick for christs sake, it isn't like he's exactly going to be hurting finacially if he was to get his leg hacked off tomarrow. These guys are making redicilous sums of money and crying because they want more, how am I suposed to respect that???

05-09-2005, 08:38 PM
I really don't think we can have a true opinion on all this, We aren't making their money or understand their needs. And as far as contracts being honored, If a team can release you, I think it's only fair you have a right to want more money. Their just has to be a system of checks and balances and has to be made sure neither party has more advantages. As long as teams can go around trading you and releasing you, you have just as much right to go around and want more money. Like they say, this is a business, wanting raises are part of a business.

And as far as the Walker won't get any balls thrown his way line from Jacq, I've never really bought into that. After all this modesty Favre is showing, how unclassy would it seem if he stopped throwing the ball to someone over a personal reason? Favre's Job is to throw the ball and be the leader just as he says, so he would have to put all that aside and just throw the ball. I know I don't have to worry about Favre not throwing it anyones way because he is a classy veteran who has alot of respect around this league.

gg no re
05-09-2005, 10:27 PM
so you are saying that if you aren't one of the best performers at your job for the year you aren't expecting any kind of bonus or raise? C'mon be serious.Yeah, I'm serious.... to an extent.

Yeah, Walker deserves a raise, I'll give him credit for that. From what i figure, his agent is Rosenhaus, which is French for Rosenwhoring your salary cap.

I mean, I'm okay with players wanting extra cash after a good year, but holding out is something I don't like unless you have a legitimate reason [i.e. working on a low round salary]. To have Rosenhaus as your agent, I'm inclined to not want to support Walker.

05-09-2005, 11:38 PM
The difference between wanting a raise at your job, and wanting a raise as a football player.. is that I didnt sign a contract to work for 12.50 an hour for the next 5 years.

I see people saying that if the owners can renegotiate to cut your pay, that they have every right to demand more.

That really doesnt factor into the arguement. The fact of the matter is he signed a contract and a good person and a good player would honor that contract, play hard, and know that the next big payday is coming.

He has already made millions.. if he had half a brain he could be set financially for the next 10 years already.

05-09-2005, 11:41 PM
Ok well we can't blame the player for his agent's actions. Rosie boy has his own personal stake in all this of course for the % he gets from new contracts for these players.

its a business plain and simple. Players are nothing more than a paid army. Mercenaries pretty much and when they are of no use they just let them go. No loyalty. You get what you can while you can.

05-09-2005, 11:43 PM
I mean how many of us can honestly say we are just IN love with our jobs that we are loyal to a fault? That we'd be ok with a salary situation similary to that of the NFL.

05-10-2005, 06:27 AM
Walker is being led by Rosenhaus. Rosenhaus has on one interest in mind. Money. Brett Favre is the leader of the football team. His only interest in Walker is his involvment with the team's success. Walker is in the middle of this and he needs to decide what is right for his future. He should be able to look back at some of the great WR's of the past (Jerry Rice) to get an idea of how to handle himself. I wish him luck.