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EllisUnit
01-15-2012, 03:16 PM
Why did Yates go for the Homerun on the last 2 drives, the second to last drive we had plenty of time and AJ was not open. So why not just pick up a 1st down, and on the last drive we needed 3 yards for a 1st down, then spike the ball and still have 2 shots. So why were we continually trying to hit the home run late in the game.

With all that said i am proud of the Texans, and our future is looking really bright. Heres to a healthy Schaub and a Superbowl victory next season.

BullNation4Life
01-15-2012, 03:18 PM
Why did Yates go for the Homerun on the last 2 drives, the second to last drive we had plenty of time and AJ was not open. So why not just pick up a 1st down, and on the last drive we needed 3 yards for a 1st down, then spike the ball and still have 2 shots. So why were we continually trying to hit the home run late in the game.

With all that said i am proud of the Texans, and our future is looking really bright. Heres to a healthy Schaub and a Superbowl victory next season.

wasn't going to matter, Reed and Pollard were playing so deep.....

This game was lost as soon as Jacoby Jones fumbled the ball and gave them 7 points...

TexansBull
01-15-2012, 03:20 PM
wasn't going to matter, Reed and Pollard were playing so deep.....

This game was lost as soon as Jacoby Jones fumbled the ball and gave them 7 points...

Thats not accurate. This game came down the final quarter.

EllisUnit
01-15-2012, 03:21 PM
wasn't going to matter, Reed and Pollard were playing so deep.....

This game was lost as soon as Jacoby Jones fumbled the ball and gave them 7 points...

i agree but i think Yates 4 INTs helped them out a little. WHY in the hell did we have to lose Schaub this season ? We should of blown the ravens out, they got no pressure on Yates all day and our Defense was all over Flacco all game long.

PhilpW
01-15-2012, 03:21 PM
2 minutes to play, 2 time outs, and Foster has 132 yards rushing, and our play is to throw the ball to the goal line. That's what I don't understand.

EllisUnit
01-15-2012, 03:23 PM
2 minutes to play, 2 time outs, and Foster has 132 yards rushing, and our play is to throw the ball to the goal line. That's what I don't understand.

well i'm not saying run it, hell have a couple of short crossing routes, maybe a few dump offs to the TEs. But u dont throw the ball up for grabs with 2 minutes left and 2 time outs.

NastyNate
01-15-2012, 03:25 PM
2 minutes to play, 2 time outs, and Foster has 132 yards rushing, and our play is to throw the ball to the goal line. That's what I don't understand.

times a million. If this is on Dennison or Kubiak or Yates? That was just dumb football no matter how you cut it. At least get on a shorter field. Take one more shot, spike it and get a game winner out of it. Don't take that risk man. Dumb dumb dumb play. So dumb. We had this game. We had it. Dumb play.

ThaShark316
01-15-2012, 03:27 PM
times a million. If this is on Dennison or Kubiak or Yates? That was just dumb football no matter how you cut it. At least get on a shorter field. Take one more shot, spike it and get a game winner out of it. Don't take that risk man. Dumb dumb dumb play. So dumb. We had this game. We had it. Dumb play.

More "they were covering the sidelines" than anything. But I see your point, man.

TexanSam
01-15-2012, 03:27 PM
times a million. If this is on Dennison or Kubiak or Yates? That was just dumb football no matter how you cut it. At least get on a shorter field. Take one more shot, spike it and get a game winner out of it. Don't take that risk man. Dumb dumb dumb play. So dumb. We had this game. We had it. Dumb play.

Lance Zierlein said Yates had a TE open underneath on that 4th and 2 play. Anybody have it DVRed?

utahmark
01-15-2012, 03:30 PM
Lance Zierlein said Yates had a TE open underneath on that 4th and 2 play. Anybody have it DVRed?

there was 20 sec left..... was he in the endzone? On the second to last drive Yates made the mistake.

Brandon420tx
01-15-2012, 03:32 PM
While I love Schaub been a huge supporter, I think our offenes runs better with a more mobile QB behind center. That said, TJ won't be ready to lead this team for at least another 2 seasons. Any good seasons we get out of Matt Schaub after that are bonus

BullNation4Life
01-15-2012, 03:33 PM
i agree but i think Yates 4 INTs helped them out a little. WHY in the hell did we have to lose Schaub this season ? We should of blown the ravens out, they got no pressure on Yates all day and our Defense was all over Flacco all game long.

3 wasn't it? Yeah but I expected a rookie QB to look bad against the Ravens. that is allot to ask of a rookie QB...

Howeva...I expect a 4 year veteran who's sole position on this team is to field punts and to use his head while fielding those punts and he, after time and time again, fails on this level...

7 pt lose when the Ravens second possession was on the Texans 2 yard line because of????

dream_team
01-15-2012, 03:33 PM
Why did Yates go for the Homerun on the last 2 drives, the second to last drive we had plenty of time and AJ was not open. So why not just pick up a 1st down, and on the last drive we needed 3 yards for a 1st down, then spike the ball and still have 2 shots. So why were we continually trying to hit the home run late in the game.

With all that said i am proud of the Texans, and our future is looking really bright. Heres to a healthy Schaub and a Superbowl victory next season.

You're going to have to ask TJ that question. He saw something that wasn't there. I have a feeling Ed Reed did what he usually does, which is bait QBs to bad throws. Yates tried to look off the safety, then went to AJ... who was open if he was just singled covered. But Reed made a good play. So you'll have to ask TJ why he didn't account for Reed on that play.

thunderkyss
01-15-2012, 03:34 PM
That ball hit KDub in the shoulder. He should have caught that ball. I dont like or understand the call, but we had an opportunity to tie the game on the final play. It was t right call, Walters just has to make that catch, if it was Jacoby, I understand the hate, but it was our best hands guy & he choked.

This game, play-offs is about stepping up. Everybody is on Jacoby, but he's our 3rd WR. Kdub is #2 & he doesn't compare to other team's #2.

I understand everybody being upset that Jacoby hasn't stepped up & taken that spot. But what about the guy in that spot?

NastyNate
01-15-2012, 03:35 PM
You're going to have to ask TJ that question. He saw something that wasn't there. I have a feeling Ed Reed did what he usually does, which is bait QBs to bad throws. Yates tried to look off the safety, then went to AJ... who was open if he was just singled covered. But Reed made a good play. So you'll have to ask TJ why he didn't account for Reed on that play.

Yates stared quarters that whole play. You can re-watch it a thousand times and there is no argument. You're delusional man.

TexanExile
01-15-2012, 03:36 PM
Yates made some really nice throws today. I don't want to only focus on the picks.

Other than making a decent recovery of a fumble, Jones did nothing good and a lot bad.

utahmark
01-15-2012, 03:37 PM
That ball hit KDub in the shoulder. He should have caught that ball. I dont like or understand the call, but we had an opportunity to tie the game on the final play. It was t right call, Walters just has to make that catch, if it was Jacoby, I understand the hate, but it was our best hands guy & he choked.

This game, play-offs is about stepping up. Everybody is on Jacoby, but he's our 3rd WR. Kdub is #2 & he doesn't compare to other team's #2.

I understand everybody being upset that Jacoby hasn't stepped up & taken that spot. But what about the guy in that spot?

Nobody but Foster steped up for us on offense or special teams. We outplayed the Ravens but they made plays when they needed to and we did not. We just blew a chance to go to the superbowl, hope we get another one.

NastyNate
01-15-2012, 03:38 PM
play was trips right side with owen jacoby and walters and Andre left side single coverage. Everyone went go routes. I don't know why the hell they called it. Arian shoulda seen the lack of coverage and bounced out of the pocket for the check route.

BullNation4Life
01-15-2012, 03:39 PM
Nobody but Foster steped up for us on offense or special teams. We outplayed the Ravens but they made plays when they needed to and we did not. We just blew a chance to go to the superbowl, hope we get another one.

Um AJ had a pretty nice game for getting doubled all day....

utahmark
01-15-2012, 03:47 PM
Um AJ had a pretty nice game for getting doubled all day....

He let at least two int happen right in front of him. It's the freaking playoff's take the guys helment off, kick him in the nuts, whatever you have to do. You have a rookie qb throwing to you, protect him!!!! He did'nt play bad but I would'nt call that steping up. And how do you know he was doubled all day? You get that from watching on the television?

scourge
01-15-2012, 03:48 PM
I don't understand the Hail Mary. We possibly had time for one more play.

That aside, I think TJ forgot today that we had TE's

TheMatrix31
01-15-2012, 03:49 PM
Nobody but Foster steped up for us on offense or special teams. We outplayed the Ravens but they made plays when they needed to and we did not. We just blew a chance to go to the superbowl, hope we get another one.

the OL and Andre stepped up as well. Bigtime. Though there were a couple passes Andre should have had, one might have even gone for a TD since he had Suggs on him.

Scooter
01-15-2012, 03:51 PM
my best guess is that kubiak felt that this was our best shot at the endzone. with a 4th and short, it pulled the defense into a relatively more realistic coverage - whereas if we convert baltimore puts their hands team on the field to sit in the endzone.

dream_team
01-15-2012, 03:53 PM
my best guess is that kubiak felt that this was our best shot at the endzone. with a 4th and short, it pulled the defense into a relatively more realistic coverage - whereas if we convert baltimore puts their hands team on the field to sit in the endzone.

This! ^^^

ThaShark316
01-15-2012, 03:53 PM
my best guess is that kubiak felt that this was our best shot at the endzone. with a 4th and short, it pulled the defense into a relatively more realistic coverage - whereas if we convert baltimore puts their hands team on the field to sit in the endzone.

I always say that 4th and short with no timeouts looking for a score is the WORST situation you can get in. They know you are looking to the sideline, and over the middle is literally dead because you'll lose most, if not all, the time.

MEGA SWATT
01-15-2012, 03:53 PM
He let at least two int happen right in front of him. It's the freaking playoff's take the guys helment off, kick him in the nuts, whatever you have to do. You have a rookie qb throwing to you, protect him!!!! He did'nt play bad but I would'nt call that steping up. And how do you know he was doubled all day? You get that from watching on the television?

When the defender is camping out all day between AJ and TJ AND TJ still throws it - not sure what you want AJ to do:kubepalm:

OntRavenFan
01-15-2012, 03:54 PM
He let at least two int happen right in front of him. It's the freaking playoff's take the guys helment off, kick him in the nuts, whatever you have to do. You have a rookie qb throwing to you, protect him!!!! He did'nt play bad but I would'nt call that steping up. And how do you know he was doubled all day? You get that from watching on the television?

AJ wasn't doubled all day. C'mon man. I typed this in another thread. We wouldn't even move our best corner to matchup against him and we didn't. He was covered by Webb on his side, or Cary Williams on his. Jimmy Smith in the nickel. Ed Reed over the top for support.

You can lay blame for a couple of the INT's on TJ as passes he should have never thrown. 1'st pick against AJ. TJ was throwing to him no matter what and Webb had position on AJ the whole route.

Someone just forgot to tell TJ what every other QB knows...Do NOT throw anywhere near Ed Reed.

dream_team
01-15-2012, 03:55 PM
Yates stared quarters that whole play. You can re-watch it a thousand times and there is no argument. You're delusional man.

Why am I delusional? I just said you'll have to ask Yates why he made that play. Why did he throw that when he was clearly covered over the top.

utahmark
01-15-2012, 03:56 PM
When the defender is camping out all day between AJ and TJ AND TJ still throws it - not sure what you want AJ to do:kubepalm:

Tackle him if he has to. Defensive backs make that play all day without getting a penalty. AJ should take some of the blame today. You guys always wonder why we never throw the ball up for him to out fight the defender and today I think we saw why. That is not one of his strengths, the defenders win to many of those battles.

eriadoc
01-15-2012, 03:57 PM
wasn't going to matter, Reed and Pollard were playing so deep.....

This game was lost as soon as Jacoby Jones fumbled the ball and gave them 7 points...

Rarely is it that simple, but in this case, it's close to that simple. With a rookie QB playing against one of the toughest defenses in the NFL, the last thing you want to do is spot them an early lead and the momentum. If the team was playing from ahead today, Yates doesn't make a few of those bad throws. Who knows how it would have turned out, obviously, but the single worst play in the game was that early game changer.

run-david-run
01-15-2012, 03:57 PM
He let at least two int happen right in front of him. It's the freaking playoff's take the guys helment off, kick him in the nuts, whatever you have to do. You have a rookie qb throwing to you, protect him!!!! He did'nt play bad but I would'nt call that steping up. And how do you know he was doubled all day? You get that from watching on the television?

Yeah, he saved two picks when he tackled Ray Lewis on short route and swatted Reed in the head by the end zone in the second half....

utahmark
01-15-2012, 03:58 PM
AJ wasn't doubled all day. C'mon man. I typed this in another thread. We wouldn't even move our best corner to matchup against him and we didn't. He was covered by Webb on his side, or Cary Williams on his. Jimmy Smith in the nickel. Ed Reed over the top for support.

You can lay blame for a couple of the INT's on TJ as passes he should have never thrown. 1'st pick against AJ. TJ was throwing to him no matter what and Webb had position on AJ the whole route.

Someone just forgot to tell TJ what every other QB knows...Do NOT throw anywhere near Ed Reed.

You must of misread my post.

utahmark
01-15-2012, 03:59 PM
Yeah, he saved two picks when he tackled Ray Lewis on short route and swatted Reed in the head by the end zone in the second half....

Ray dropped that pass before he got to AJ. AJ did make a swipe at is though.

TheMatrix31
01-15-2012, 03:59 PM
I hate anybody who tells me "Games arent won or lost in the first quarter." You know what? sometimes they are.

That ****ing BRAINFART put us in the position to have to throw way more than we wanted to. Shifted momentum, gave them FREE 7 points. Pathetic on the offense sans Foster/OL/Andre for their inability to do anything and especially TJ to make throws even rookies shouldn't make.

Changed the entire complexion of the game.

And it chaps my ass. The defense did EVERYTHING. I'm not sure I've ever seen any offensive or defensive unit give it their all like those boys did out there today, and the team WASTED it.

eriadoc
01-15-2012, 04:03 PM
I hate anybody who tells me "Games arent won or lost in the first quarter." You know what? sometimes they are.

That ****ing BRAINFART put us in the position to have to throw way more than we wanted to. Shifted momentum, gave them FREE 7 points. Pathetic on the offense sans Foster/OL/Andre for their inability to do anything and especially TJ to make throws even rookies shouldn't make.

Changed the entire complexion of the game.

And it chaps my ass. The defense did EVERYTHING. I'm not sure I've ever seen any offensive or defensive unit give it their all like those boys did out there today, and the team WASTED it.

Meh, I guess. Really only a couple guys.

ObsiWan
01-15-2012, 04:09 PM
That ball hit KDub in the shoulder. He should have caught that ball. I dont like or understand the call, but we had an opportunity to tie the game on the final play. It was t right call, Walters just has to make that catch, if it was Jacoby, I understand the hate, but it was our best hands guy & he choked.

This game, play-offs is about stepping up. Everybody is on Jacoby, but he's our 3rd WR. Kdub is #2 & he doesn't compare to other team's #2.

I understand everybody being upset that Jacoby hasn't stepped up & taken that spot. But what about the guy in that spot?

Spot on!!!
KW had a bead on the ball until he saw the big pileup coming. Then he ducked his head and the ball hit him in the back.

ObsiWan
01-15-2012, 04:16 PM
I hate anybody who tells me "Games arent won or lost in the first quarter." You know what? sometimes they are.

That ****ing BRAINFART put us in the position to have to throw way more than we wanted to. Shifted momentum, gave them FREE 7 points. Pathetic on the offense sans Foster/OL/Andre for their inability to do anything and especially TJ to make throws even rookies shouldn't make.

Changed the entire complexion of the game.

And it chaps my ass. The defense did EVERYTHING. I'm not sure I've ever seen any offensive or defensive unit give it their all like those boys did out there today, and the team WASTED it.

I disagree. If Jacoby's brainfart is the only turnover of the day, we win the game 13-6 or go to overtime 13-13.

Now I'm all for cutting Jacoby and getting an upgrade in his WR/PR role, no question about it; but that one play did not cost us the game.

TheMatrix31
01-15-2012, 04:17 PM
I disagree. If Jacoby's brainfart is the only turnover of the day, we win the game 13-6 or go to overtime 13-13.

Now I'm all for cutting Jacoby and getting an upgrade in his WR/PR role, no question about it; but that one play did not cost us the game.

That one play gave the Ravens 7 points directly. TJ Yates did some rookie stupidity, but Jacoby is a ****ing veteran. Changed the entire complexion of the game, and I really don't see how my opinion can be changed on that.

amazing80
01-15-2012, 04:21 PM
We lost this game because Yates sucked, simple as that. I HATE Jones and he IMO played himself off this roster this year, but Yates lost this game. To go to Baltimore and play like he did and turn the ball over like that means we have ZERO shot at winning.

And the 4th and 2 call, we had 22 seconds left, get the first over the middle and spike it, leaving 12-15 seconds left. Then throw some out routes....get to the 25 or so and then do deep crosses in the endzone, but to just hail mary....WEAK.

Yates proved he is not the future RIGHT NOW. He is not ready to lead this team and he cannot read a defense to save his life. Next year is looking bright if Schaub can come back strong......

Terrible loss today, but hopefully it sticks with the team next year and motivates them to win it all.

eriadoc
01-15-2012, 04:22 PM
I disagree. If Jacoby's brainfart is the only turnover of the day, we win the game 13-6 or go to overtime 13-13.

Now I'm all for cutting Jacoby and getting an upgrade in his WR/PR role, no question about it; but that one play did not cost us the game.

That play led directly to some of the situational decisions that you'd rather not see made with Yates at QB. The team played from behind all day and that was because of Jacoby Jones. The offense has not been cranking out many points since Schaub went down, and that's without facing one of the toughest defenses in the NFL. When you're facing the Ravens D, you can't spot them a free TD to start the game. Remember, that punt only happened because the Texans D held the Ravens to a 3-and-out to start the game. Between Manning's kick return and the forced punt, the team started off exactly the way you'd want to see against that team. And Jacoby ruined it all in one play. It changed the complexion of the game because it changed the playcalling and took the Texans away from their gameplan.

ObsiWan
01-15-2012, 04:24 PM
That one play gave the Ravens 7 points directly. TJ Yates did some rookie stupidity, but Jacoby is a ****ing veteran. Changed the entire complexion of the game, and I really don't see how my opinion can be changed on that.

hahahaha... I should know better than to talk to you when you're pissed.
:D

But TJ's first pick damn near gave the Ravens the ball in the red zone. Five plays later its 17-3. If TJ protects the ball - which should be a young QB's first priority - then we go into halftime up 13-10.

TheMatrix31
01-15-2012, 04:26 PM
That's what bothers me. I don't care what anyone says. We lost this game, they didn't win it. They didn't even come close to winning it. I have absolutely no idea what THEY did ON THEIR OWN to win.

utahmark
01-15-2012, 04:36 PM
That's what bothers me. I don't care what anyone says. We lost this game, they didn't win it. They didn't even come close to winning it. I have absolutely no idea what THEY did ON THEIR OWN to win.

And there is no guarantee we get another shot. It's freaking 2012 is'nt the world supposed to end?

utahmark
01-15-2012, 04:42 PM
Spot on!!!
KW had a bead on the ball until he saw the big pileup coming. Then he ducked his head and the ball hit him in the back.

I just watched it. Looked like someone got a finger on it to change the flight of the ball just a tad, or Walter might have had it.

thunderkyss
01-15-2012, 11:13 PM
Now I'm all for cutting Jacoby and getting an upgrade in his WR/PR role, no question about it; but that one play did not cost us the game.

I agree with this.

I'm not defending Jacoby, nor do I care if he is on this team next year. but, he's not our #2 receiver, that guy hasn't shown up all year, but no one talks about that.

But, even with the Jacoby miff..... we were still in the game. We did not score 1 point in the second half.

for all I know, if it weren't for those early points "relaxing" the Ravens, we may not have scored all day playing the way we played.

We start the 2nd half, down by 4. The defense gets Baltimore off the field..... That was our game from then on. Whatever happened after that 3 & out (our defense forcing to start the 3rd Qtr) that's why we lost the game.

Blaming Jacoby for something that happened in the 1st qtr.... that's just scapegoating.

thunderkyss
01-15-2012, 11:20 PM
That play led directly to some of the situational decisions that you'd rather not see made with Yates at QB. The team played from behind all day and that was because of Jacoby Jones.

I kinda agree.... I have no problem with the way the first half played out. But.... Gary should have told the guys it was a 0-0 game coming out of the half & played that way.

Instead, he still has Tj trying to force the ball down the field.

1 interception, even 2 I can understand overlooking. But 3?

These weren't, "oh, he just didn't see that safety" interceptions.

& that don't count the ones Lewis & Reed dropped.

Norg
01-15-2012, 11:21 PM
i dont know ill have to re watch that i guess the brett farve came out of him :kitten: i was serious saying in my head after the 3rd INT man bench this fool and put in jake delhomne and see if he can pull a insane last drive of his football career

THE RAVENS DEN
01-15-2012, 11:46 PM
I don't understand the Hail Mary. We possibly had time for one more play.

That aside, I think TJ forgot today that we had TE's

Gotta agree with you on that, you guys had atleast 1 more play before the Hail Mary was even considered.

I'll leave you guys alone, but you guys did a number on us,let me tell you. You could tell we had a bye, i think our O line went on vacation during the bye and forgot to come back,lol. Your guys defense played lights out.


Anyways, good luck Next year. You guys are 1 qb short of being a full complete Team.

Brandon420tx
01-15-2012, 11:55 PM
We have one. We're just waiting on all the kings horses and all the kings men to put him back together

dream_team
01-16-2012, 02:11 AM
NFLN broke down Reed's int pretty well. Plain & simple, a bad decision by Yates. Reed was playing center field and watching Yates eyes. Yates was looking at AJ the whole way, so easy for Reed to run over and make the play.

Also, I didn't notice it during the game, but that hail mary hit Kevin Walter on the shoulder... no Raven knocked it down. WTF? Why wasn't Walter looking for the ball. Seems like would have been an easy catch for him.

burro
01-16-2012, 02:27 AM
On the last drive, I don't think the play was designed to be an all or nothing home-run play. I think the idea was for AJ to draw Reed away and open up somebody else underneath and TJ just got rattled and tried to go for it all. I could be completely wrong, but that's what it looked like.

dream_team
01-16-2012, 02:34 AM
On the last drive, I don't think the play was designed to be an all or nothing home-run play. I think the idea was for AJ to draw Reed away and open up somebody else underneath and TJ just got rattled and tried to go for it all. I could be completely wrong, but that's what it looked like.

Either way, it worked... KW just needed to know he was a receiver and you have to locate the ball in order to catch it.

ObsiWan
01-16-2012, 02:36 AM
I agree with this.

I'm not defending Jacoby, nor do I care if he is on this team next year. but, he's not our #2 receiver, that guy hasn't shown up all year, but no one talks about that.

But, even with the Jacoby miff..... we were still in the game. We did not score 1 point in the second half.

for all I know, if it weren't for those early points "relaxing" the Ravens, we may not have scored all day playing the way we played.

We start the 2nd half, down by 4. The defense gets Baltimore off the field..... That was our game from then on. Whatever happened after that 3 & out (our defense forcing to start the 3rd Qtr) that's why we lost the game.

Blaming Jacoby for something that happened in the 1st qtr.... that's just scapegoating.

MSR...
that's it in a nutshell.
Our D only allowed the Ravens 3 pts in the second half. The running game was working. The O-line kept the Ravens off of him. The youngster had all he needed to succeed. Guess the stage was a little too big for him yesterday.

NastyNate
01-16-2012, 03:45 AM
On the last drive, I don't think the play was designed to be an all or nothing home-run play. I think the idea was for AJ to draw Reed away and open up somebody else underneath and TJ just got rattled and tried to go for it all. I could be completely wrong, but that's what it looked like.

Four go routes drummed up. how are you not supposed to go big on that play with no under routes? That was all on whomever called the play. Kubiak or Dennison got a little too smart for their own britches. **** the playcall for what otherwise was a very well called game.

NastyNate
01-16-2012, 03:46 AM
MSR...
that's it in a nutshell.
Our D only allowed the Ravens 3 pts in the second half. The running game was working. The O-line kept the Ravens off of him. The youngster had all he needed to succeed. Guess the stage was a little too big for him yesterday.

Their D only allowed 0 points in the second half. It's a moot point, we didn't do enough and it sucks.

ObsiWan
01-16-2012, 03:50 AM
Their D only allowed 0 points in the second half. It's a moot point, we didn't do enough and it sucks.

Indeed.
That is the bottom line after all.

TheMatrix31
01-16-2012, 03:54 AM
I agree with this.

I'm not defending Jacoby, nor do I care if he is on this team next year. but, he's not our #2 receiver, that guy hasn't shown up all year, but no one talks about that.

But, even with the Jacoby miff..... we were still in the game. We did not score 1 point in the second half.

for all I know, if it weren't for those early points "relaxing" the Ravens, we may not have scored all day playing the way we played.

We start the 2nd half, down by 4. The defense gets Baltimore off the field..... That was our game from then on. Whatever happened after that 3 & out (our defense forcing to start the 3rd Qtr) that's why we lost the game.

Blaming Jacoby for something that happened in the 1st qtr.... that's just scapegoating.

If we can blame the loss on one offensive possession after forcing a 3 & out, then why can't we blame the loss on Jacoby Jones?

Why can't we just fast-forward to the last 5 minutes and just analyze what happens there? Since that's apparently the only time that matters?

I'm really sick of the "it happened in the 1st quarter so it doesnt matter" crap. Oh, they scored three runs off a bad call, but that was in the first inning. Oh, well, there was a terrible sequence of events that led to two personal fouls and a benching for the star player, but that was in the first quarter so it doesn't matter. Oh, that guy committed a dumb 5 minute major and the other team scored two goals, but that was in the first period so it doesn't matter.

Newsflash: **** matters no matter what time they happen in the game. Some things can be DEVASTATING early. Do I think we should have capitalized on one of those damn three and outs our defense forced? Sure. I was screaming all day. But to say the game "wasn't lost" on Jacoby's BLUNDER (arguably the worst blunder I've seen in Texans history), well, that's something I take exception with.

thunderkyss
01-16-2012, 08:43 AM
If we can blame the loss on one offensive possession after forcing a 3 & out, then why can't we blame the loss on Jacoby Jones?


Newsflash: **** matters no matter what time they happen in the game. Some things can be DEVASTATING early. Do I think we should have capitalized on one of those damn three and outs our defense forced? Sure. I was screaming all day. But to say the game "wasn't lost" on Jacoby's BLUNDER (arguably the worst blunder I've seen in Texans history), well, that's something I take exception with.

I don't think so. We weathered the bullsit of our "big stage jitters" in the first half. & I'm not blaming everything on one offensive possession. I'm saying everything in the second half, when we scored nothing.

It's a zero-zero game at the half, or at least should be treated that way. We're down by 4, that shouldn't "affect" our play-calling much at all, we're not in a "forced to throw" or "playing from behind" mentality for most of the second half.

Again, if those turnovers led to a route, like they did in the Patriots/Broncos game yeah, a first qtr mistake can very easily change the complexion of a game. But our defense kept us in it, pretty much negating the first half mistakes.

But we fell short in the second half. We didn't score one point. The defense held them to 3 if our offense scores one touchdown in that 30 minute period, it's a tie game.

Tango
01-16-2012, 08:50 AM
2nd to the last Texans' drive of the game, 4th & 2, a run was called. TJ had the option based on the read to change the play. He thought Andre was going to be single covered but Yates got burned by Reed very very badly.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/01/gravity-of-play-too-much-for-young-qb-yates/

gafftop
01-16-2012, 09:03 AM
That ball hit KDub in the shoulder. He should have caught that ball. I dont like or understand the call, but we had an opportunity to tie the game on the final play. It was t right call, Walters just has to make that catch, if it was Jacoby, I understand the hate, but it was our best hands guy & he choked.

This game, play-offs is about stepping up. Everybody is on Jacoby, but he's our 3rd WR. Kdub is #2 & he doesn't compare to other team's #2.

I understand everybody being upset that Jacoby hasn't stepped up & taken that spot. But what about the guy in that spot?

I thought KW missed it also but if you see in slow motion the ball was tipped at the last second. I agree and felt before the season started that WR was a very weak position. KW maybe 3 at best but no break away speed and quickness. Look at the other teams in the playoffs and their no.2 and compare KW. KW would probably not even be the NO. 3 on most of the teams.

Hervoyel
01-16-2012, 09:44 AM
2 minutes to play, 2 time outs, and Foster has 132 yards rushing, and our play is to throw the ball to the goal line. That's what I don't understand.

I think that's a legitimate question. I thought we got greedy there a couple of times and that's what really cost us the game.

We'll be back in the postseason next year and take care of business. This is the most "positive" I've felt following a loss that I can ever remember being.

Tango
01-16-2012, 09:54 AM
I think that's a legitimate question. I thought we got greedy there a couple of times and that's what really cost us the game.


Yes, it's a legitimate question why they chose to heave it to AJ instead of run it on that 4th & 2. But they've already answered it though. The original call was a RUN for that 4th & 2. Yates made the read however on the coverage and changed it to throw it to Andre instead.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/01/gravity-of-play-too-much-for-young-qb-yates/
On that fateful play coming out of the two-minute warning, the Texans had a run called, but T.J. Yates was cleared to check to a deep pass to Andre Johnson if the Ravens presented him the right defense.

Baltimore did indeed, coming out in a single safety, meaning only one man was deep and he had to cover the entire field.

Yates thought the play was going for a touchdown when he released it, but safety Ed Reed saw the play develop, closed over the top of Johnson and made the interception inside the Ravens’ 5.

“He taught me a lesson on how to play football today,” Yates said. “He made a heck of a play.”

Coach Gary Kubiak didn’t have a problem with the check.

“The kid’s in the right place with the ball; he just didn’t hold Ed in the middle of the field,” Kubiak said. “Attacking coverage, you never know where the ball is going to go. That coverage told us to take the shot, playing one safety.”

beerlover
01-16-2012, 09:56 AM
the temptation to throw it down field was precipitated by outstanding OL protection, Yates had plenty of time & ability to step into the throw. If you ever watched him play while @ North Carolina this is what he does, difference was he didn't have Hakeem Nicks, who if you watched the Giants destroy Green Bay, was double/triple teamed yet still managed to make catch after catch, then separate for TD's.

I'm not sure this is the same Raven defense I drafted on my fantasy team but they did not have one sack on TJ? Texans OL kept him clean the entire game, those of us who sat threw 72 sacks in 02 know what I'm talking about. Stop & smell the :coffee:

thunderkyss
01-16-2012, 10:43 AM
Yes, it's a legitimate question why they chose to heave it to AJ instead of run it on that 4th & 2. But they've already answered it though. The original call was a RUN for that 4th & 2. Yates made the read however on the coverage and changed it to throw it to Andre instead.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/01/gravity-of-play-too-much-for-young-qb-yates/

So, if Yates has the ability to check from a run to a pass, surely Schaub does. I don't remember "seeing" the call change, which means our system to audible must be more subtle than what we all expect.

the temptation to throw it down field was precipitated by outstanding OL protection, Yates had plenty of time & ability to step into the throw. If you ever watched him play while @ North Carolina this is what he does, difference was he didn't have Hakeem Nicks, who if you watched the Giants destroy Green Bay, was double/triple teamed yet still managed to make catch after catch, then separate for TD's.

I'm not sure this is the same Raven defense I drafted on my fantasy team but they did not have one sack on TJ? Texans OL kept him clean the entire game, those of us who sat threw 72 sacks in 02 know what I'm talking about. Stop & smell the :coffee:

When Ed Reed cleared the middle of the field, he had OD for an easy 20+ yard gain in the middle of the field.

Norg
01-16-2012, 12:19 PM
half the time Dre was playing DB

and walter was going for the ball he had his arms coming out but he had the angle wrong he thought the ball would come inside no behind his back

JJ had a dude doing a cartwheel in front of him so he had no chance :mariopalm:

i agree tho we had time for maybe 2 more plays before hail mary i dont get that

Brandon420tx
01-16-2012, 12:24 PM
Kubiak just confirmed that on 4th and 2 they had always called pass and TJ read single safety which meant go for the Go Route according to play design

ObsiWan
01-16-2012, 12:27 PM
If we can blame the loss on one offensive possession after forcing a 3 & out, then why can't we blame the loss on Jacoby Jones?

Why can't we just fast-forward to the last 5 minutes and just analyze what happens there? Since that's apparently the only time that matters?

I'm really sick of the "it happened in the 1st quarter so it doesnt matter" crap. Oh, they scored three runs off a bad call, but that was in the first inning. Oh, well, there was a terrible sequence of events that led to two personal fouls and a benching for the star player, but that was in the first quarter so it doesn't matter. Oh, that guy committed a dumb 5 minute major and the other team scored two goals, but that was in the first period so it doesn't matter.

Newsflash: **** matters no matter what time they happen in the game. Some things can be DEVASTATING early. Do I think we should have capitalized on one of those damn three and outs our defense forced? Sure. I was screaming all day. But to say the game "wasn't lost" on Jacoby's BLUNDER (arguably the worst blunder I've seen in Texans history), well, that's something I take exception with.

If we let a screwup that happened 5 minutes into a 60-minute game take our 'nads, then we don't belong in the playoffs anyway.

You can keep holding on to that notion if you like, but I refuse to believe we're that weak. They've come thru way too much for me to believe they let that crush their spirit.

Texecutioner
01-16-2012, 02:40 PM
Had Yates completed that pass and then we score, there was a lot of time left on the clock to score for the Ravens to make a comeback. It was a completely stupid play to begin with and a horrible play call especially throwing to the side where Ed Reed is.

TheMatrix31
01-16-2012, 05:33 PM
Tango, you're confused. The bomb to Andre that was intercepted by Reed was not on 4th and 2. The 4th and 2 came at the very end of the game where we heaved it to (presumably) Kevin Walter.

Both were atrocious calls.

TheMatrix31
01-16-2012, 05:33 PM
Tango, you're confused. The bomb to Andre that was intercepted by Reed was not on 4th and 2. The 4th and 2 came at the very end of the game where we heaved it to (presumably) Kevin Walter.

Both were atrocious calls.