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SoCalTexanFan
01-15-2012, 03:50 PM
Management has stuck with these two for too long. Cut your losses and move on. Draft a second WR and DB.

TexanSam
01-15-2012, 03:53 PM
Why Kareem Jackson? Last week and this week he's played pretty well. The few catches he's give up today haven't been his fault. Just perfectly placed throws by Flacco and some good receiving skills. He did everything he could besides interfere with them.

In the two biggest games of the year he's played some of his best football. That counts for something.

Rey
01-15-2012, 04:08 PM
Jacoby yes. Kareem, no. Kareem gave up some catches but overall he played well. I think we shoul definitely challenge him with better cbs in the off season, but if he winds up the starter its not the end of the world.

Mr teX
01-15-2012, 04:12 PM
the difference in the game was 7pts..guess who is directly responsible for giving the ravens 7? kareem played well...the WR's just made great plays on the ball....& on the TD, it was allen who gave up the td...

Doppelganger
01-15-2012, 04:14 PM
Management has stuck with these two for too long. Cut your losses and move on. Draft a second WR and DB.

Jackson played well. Jones played poorly. You must be a Jackson hater to think he needs to get cut.

cbs1507
01-15-2012, 04:14 PM
the difference in the game was 7pts..

And Kareem Jackson didn't give up any TDs. 4 TOs was the killer.

stingray
01-15-2012, 04:17 PM
Kareem looked decent out there. I think he will stick around for a while. Jacoby needs to be shown the door.

SoCalTexanFan
01-15-2012, 04:17 PM
Anytime a team needs a first down they go to his man. They took out Allen and went right back to KJ's side. Our defensive front is too good to be getting beat on 3rd down because of one guy. I know we give Phillips a lot of credit but I think Joseph was the difference this year in pass defense.

thunderkyss
01-15-2012, 04:18 PM
I'm definitely Kjs biggest supporter, but he was out played by Jason Allen today, Allen's physical play at the line is what kept Boldin in check & kept us in the game.

I chalk that up to a veteran player stepping up in the play offs.

Still proud of my Texans.


& I feel great. Saying....

Wait till next year.

rmartin65
01-15-2012, 04:18 PM
I think KJ stays. He is still young, deserves next season to see if he has what it takes.

silvrhand
01-15-2012, 04:18 PM
woah woah.. is this the turnaround thread for Kareem Jackson?

I have to say I only saw one bad play for him today the slant to Boldin late in the game when he gave up his inside position. The rest he was all over the receiver and they made a ridiculous catch and it was a ridiculous throw.

He has to improve now at looking for the ball, if he can do that next year we'll have a pretty damn good set of CB's.

thunderkyss
01-15-2012, 04:19 PM
I'm definitely Kjs biggest supporter, but he was out played by Jason Allen today, Allen's physical play at the line is what kept Boldin in check & kept us in the game.

I chalk that up to a veteran player stepping up in the play offs.

Still proud of my Texans.


& I feel great. Saying....

Wait till next year.

EllisUnit
01-15-2012, 04:19 PM
KJ had a pretty descent day, the only thing that hurt him was his ball skill. he often times had pretty good coverage, just couldnt make a play on the ball. He needs to really work on that.

Lady.Gaga.3000
01-15-2012, 04:20 PM
Kareem did excellent sans 2 passes. Those other catches on him, KJ had amazing coverage and the WR just made an even crazier catch.

Yesterday
01-15-2012, 04:21 PM
I was about to post the EXACT same thing.

Both are horrible. Literally, terrible.

As long as we get a good WR2, CB2, and PR, I think we have as good a chance at anyone.

Kareem played HORRIBLY I can't believe you guys have the nerve to defend him. He is NEVER looking at the ball. His primary defense is to fall down on the receiver and hope that his body blocks the ball. He can't make a tackle. He is so obviously the weak link; had we won this game, Brady would have literally **** on him all day next week.

Jacoby Jones is, just, garbage. No need for him on our team, he brings nothing to the table.

gafftop
01-15-2012, 04:23 PM
Jacoby CAN'T be your starting CB next year but I can still see him on the team.

TexansBull
01-15-2012, 04:23 PM
Kareem had a descent playoff game. As for Jones, do I have to supply the UPS box to ship him off? Too many mistakes. Make a statement to the team that if make mistakes like that when it counts. Get a true number 2 reciever and have someone else return punts.

Texn4life
01-15-2012, 04:23 PM
I think I'm on the KJ train too, because in my opinion he played pretty well today. Some of the catches he gave up today were ridiculous plays by the receiver. If anyone says he played poorly, then to me they need to really re-evaluate how much they really know about football.

stingray
01-15-2012, 04:24 PM
Jacoby CAN'T be your starting CB next year but I can still see him on the team.

I hope not. He has never played that position before.

Doppelganger
01-15-2012, 04:26 PM
I was about to post the EXACT same thing.

Both are horrible. Literally, terrible.

As long as we get a good WR2, CB2, and PR, I think we have as good a chance at anyone.

Kareem played HORRIBLY I can't believe you guys have the nerve to defend him. He is NEVER looking at the ball. His primary defense is to fall down on the receiver and hope that his body blocks the ball. He can't make a tackle. He is so obviously the weak link; had we won this game, Brady would have literally **** on him all day next week.

Jacoby Jones is, just, garbage. No need for him on our team, he brings nothing to the table.

Outside of the two really spectacular catches, what did kj do that was so horrible? He played penalty free and kept his guy in check. Deon sanders in his prime couldn't have stopped those lucky bounces. You need to calm down, take a deep breath, and consider a non emotional more objective look at the game.

Grams
01-15-2012, 04:28 PM
I think I'm on the KJ train too, because in my opinion he played pretty well today. Some of the catches he gave up today were ridiculous plays by the receiver. If anyone says he played poorly, then to me they need to really re-evaluate how much they really know about football.

Exactly!

But Jacoby needs to go.

rmartin65
01-15-2012, 04:30 PM
Time to cut our losses and progress as a team..

Natural selection needs to be implemented this off-season. Retards like Careem and JJ don't deserve to wear the Texans Uni.

Just out of curiosity... did you misspell his name on purpose? I hope so, or that would make you look like, to use your word, a "retard".

KJ did not play great, but he was solid. He deserves to stay.

cbs1507
01-15-2012, 04:31 PM
woah woah.. is this the turnaround thread for Kareem Jackson?

I have to say I only saw one bad play for him today the slant to Boldin late in the game when he gave up his inside position. The rest he was all over the receiver and they made a ridiculous catch and it was a ridiculous throw.

He has to improve now at looking for the ball, if he can do that next year we'll have a pretty damn good set of CB's.

I agree. I think KJ played well. My knock on him (this year) was that he doesn't get his head around. He actually made a good play on the sideline. He just needs to get confidence to get his head on a swivel a lot quicker.

Hervoyel
01-15-2012, 04:31 PM
I'm not a KJ fan by any stretch but I have to concede that he's made strides this year. Allen has played well in spots but I get the impression we've seen the peak of his ability. I do absolutely think we need to draft another CB (or maybe Brandon Harris is done incubating in whatever hyperbaric chamber they're keeping him in while he undergoes the Super Soldier process) but KJ makes the team next year.

Jacoby Jones on the other hand. He's deserving of a GTFO thread and has been for a long, long time. Hopefully if any good at all comes from this loss it will be that the few remaining people who think he's got value will come to their senses.

Honestly, if you think Jacoby Jones has any value at all then I don't have anything to say to you. I'm at the point where the JJ Meter is how I determine if there's any point in talking to a person. If they like JJ and think he's an asset then they're too ****ing stupid to bother trying to converse with. He's just an unbelievably bad WR. Corey Bradford was Pierre Garcon compared to this bum. He's actually a pretty bad punt returner as well. Sure, he manages that one TD a year against some team that's having special teams issues that day but most of the time he's a liability back there.

If I were the Texans I'd release him. I wouldn't do it the minute I got back to Houston or not let him ride on the plane back or anything. No sense being petty about it. I'd just cut him as quietly as possible right after the season ends. Pick a busy news day when someone is retiring and kick him to the curb. It's past time to do it.

escrimador
01-15-2012, 04:39 PM
Jacoby? yeah. Kareem Jackson is coming around. Sometimes a player needs to get traded away to get better. Maybe the Kubiak - Shanahan connection can get us something for him from the Washington Redskins or Kubes - Elway from the Broncos.

dream_team
01-15-2012, 04:40 PM
KJ had a solid season, showed a lot of improvement from last season... so why let him go now? Doesn't make sense.

Jacoby, on the other hand, hasn't showed much improvement the past two seasons. I wouldn't mind letting him walk.

fiasco west
01-15-2012, 04:43 PM
I think I'm on the KJ train too, because in my opinion he played pretty well today. Some of the catches he gave up today were ridiculous plays by the receiver. If anyone says he played poorly, then to me they need to really re-evaluate how much they really know about football.

Yep.

Kareem is the only guy that can play a good game and in the same day get a thread like this about him.

The game was more than decent. One of the passes he gave up would have clearly been overturned had we challenged it and the other two were circus catches. Yet it's time for Kareem to go...ok.

Seems the guy has really improved from his rookie season. Can't ask for much more for a 2nd year player.

TimeKiller
01-15-2012, 04:45 PM
I thought he played ok, just got beat by top notch throws and catches. He was even getting his head around and making plays on the ball. KJ still has room to grow, despite having taken the remedial course this year. Maybe as a slot or backup to Quin, making the same jump back to S, I think they have very similar games.

Jacoby can find his own way home.

HJam72
01-15-2012, 04:51 PM
KJ has shown a lot of improvement and will likely continue to get better. Eventually, he may even become what we hoped when he was drafted; it just takes a long time for a corner to get it in the NFL--well, a lot of them anyway.

Jacoby, on the other hand, is a punt-fumbling, non-route running (unless he's not asked to make an actual cut), pass-dropping, veteran whose time to show improvement has more than run out. This team needs receivers and I'm not real impressed with Walter's disappearing act this year either. He doesn't make the stupid mistakes at all, but he doesn't get open and his time appears to be passed. I think it's time to spend a high pick on a receiver again. We don't need much else anyway, expect for a healthy Matt Schaub, which would have meant Superbowl this year. I think I just named the only two players that went down in performance this year....and they're both wide-outs. We need a really good new one. Maybe Walter can stay on as the #3. We do have another one (name escapes me--not the ex-Raven that's getting a little old) that seems worth a look.

fiasco west
01-15-2012, 04:52 PM
If Kareem improves as much as he did this season next season...well he'd be a good player.

Edit: Also JJ has not improved at all since like his second year. He's still the same player unfortunately.

rmartin65
01-15-2012, 04:52 PM
just curious... but do you know what careem sounds like when pronounce and what it has in relationship to his play?

if you don't than it makes you look like, to my eloquent vocabulary, a "retard".

then again you already do enough of that around draft season.

Ok, I'll bite. What does it sound like?

Apparently it is a slur used for African Americans (according to a google search), was that what you were going for?



As for your draft comment- good one? Everyone here knows I am passionate about the draft, and I could not care less about what a person on the internet thinks. Especially one who has been here for just about a month, and will probably be gone by next year.

Scooter
01-15-2012, 04:54 PM
I'm definitely Kjs biggest supporter, but he was out played by Jason Allen today, Allen's physical play at the line is what kept Boldin in check & kept us in the game.

I chalk that up to a veteran player stepping up in the play offs.

Still proud of my Texans.


& I feel great. Saying....

Wait till next year.

i think you've got it backwards bud, allan got smoked while jackson couldnt have had better coverage on boldin. the worst was turning his back to boldin in the endzone, a completely blown coverage.

MEGA SWATT
01-15-2012, 04:59 PM
Agree!!!!

DocBar
01-15-2012, 04:59 PM
Except JJ fumbled his bus pass so he'd have to walk home.

Im sure the people of Baltimore would welcome him with open arms.They might give him the keys to the city, but no way in hell would they let him on the team.

I think KJ sticks. He made some strides this year and might make a decent nickle/dime back once No Fly Zone is ready for prime time.
Boldin made some ridiculous catches today. KJ played pretty well for the most part.

rmartin65
01-15-2012, 05:08 PM
cool story bro.

keep making your annual erroneous statements about 90% of the players in the draft and fallacious analysis of their transition to the pros.

you have such an eye for talent.

No, I am serious, explain why you call him Careem. I am actually curious now.

I dont claim to know everything about every player. I comment on what I see, and that is it. If you dont like it, dont read it.

ATXtexanfan
01-15-2012, 05:18 PM
i always stuck up for jacoby. i turn my back on him. kareem is getting better though

fiasco west
01-15-2012, 05:21 PM
Lol, even GP and Ellis gave Kareem props today. I think you should wait until next year Disco, today ain't the day for it. Kareem had a good game, he was not even close to being the problem today and has looked solid in both playoff games really.

Jacoby Jones...now I think we can all agree on that. If we draft a WR next year not sure he even makes the team since he'll be fighting for a 4th or 5th spot.

b0ng
01-15-2012, 05:47 PM
I was actually pleased with Jacksons play today, he did not get made to look to foolish today. I hope he continues to improve, and makes me eat words I have said previously about him.

Jones doesn't seem like he is going to do much for us. Sucks we extended him.

Scooter
01-15-2012, 05:53 PM
i dont see it other than being a carry-over scape goat from last year. jackson was lights out today covering their #1, and was a HUGE part of the coverage sacks that we got against flacco. dude played solid all season and was exceptional today.

CloakNNNdagger
01-15-2012, 06:03 PM
Management has stuck with these two for too long. Cut your losses and move on. Draft a second WR and DB.

Jacoby and Kareem will unfortunately forever more be part of Texans HISTORY........because they were allowed to be.

eriadoc
01-15-2012, 06:37 PM
Paul Kuharsky's Rapid Reaction (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/33357/rapid-reaction-ravens-20-texans-13):

What I wonder: Why doesn’t Kareem Jackson turn his head or play the ball? A couple of completions from Flacco to Anquan Boldin came on excellent throws into small windows with Jackson in close coverage. If he’d turned as the ball arrived, he’d have had chances to break up a play.

Other non-Kareem related content at link.

beerlover
01-15-2012, 06:51 PM
my :twocents:

Jacoby is too inconsistent with ball security. He makes bad decisions/risks that are unwarranted. His problems have plagued him since rookie season, had some highlights, overall not a terrible pick, but time has come to move on. Might as well throw last standing positional coach Joe Marciano under bus too, he allowed Jones to continually hurt Texans special teams without making adjustment. Guilt by association.

Jacoby just signed a three-year, $10.5 million contract. The deal contains $3 million guaranteed. 2011-2013: Under Contract, 2014: Free Agent

Kareem Jackson, first round pick, so was Travis Johnson & Amobi Okoye. Win some loss some, nobody's perfect not blaming Smith or Texans it happens. Kareem lacks confidence even with adequate safety back-up in a good defensive scheme. Lacks foot-speed & ball skills. Takes questionable angles, lacks make-up speed, rarely makes play on the ball. A nickle cover cb at best, McCain is actually much better despite size, better speed & ball hawking skills.

Kareem is due $700,000, in 2012 & $995,000 in 2013. 2014 is option year $1.29 million, 2015 he is a Free Agent

buddyboy
01-15-2012, 07:12 PM
I'm one of KJ's biggest supporters, I think he's growing as a player. I was pretty encouraged by seeing him turn his head, even slightly, but he NEEDS to improve in that aspect.

I understand where people are coming from blaming him. There were two circus catches on him where he barely got his head around just enough to disrupt, but not prevent the catch. Had he had Allen's ball skills, they may have been completely broken up, and one of them was probably an interception. Nevertheless, there is definite growth, hopefully he continues to improve as a player.

People who are blaming KJ for this loss are just looking for a scapegoat and KJ is the easiest target (usually).

TexCanada
01-15-2012, 07:15 PM
I still really believe KJ is a keeper. He still has some improving to do, but he really has a shot at being the #2 corner on this team for a long time to come.

LonerATO
01-15-2012, 07:19 PM
This has to be the only thread I have ever seen on here that I do not consider an extreme reaction thread. I approve of these moves.

Brandon420tx
01-15-2012, 07:19 PM
You don't release KJ, you let him play out his contract and tell him he needs to earn his next one.

Kimmy
01-15-2012, 07:19 PM
You don't release KJ, you let him play out his contract and tell him he needs to earn his next one.

Ahhhh, Jedi mind trickery!

eriadoc
01-15-2012, 07:24 PM
You don't release KJ, you let him play out his contract and tell him he needs to earn his next one.

You know how players that have supposedly out-performed their contracts hold out for a renegotiated contract? The Texans need to hold out on KJ. He's under-performed his first round contract.

Brandon420tx
01-15-2012, 07:29 PM
You know how players that have supposedly out-performed their contracts hold out for a renegotiated contract? The Texans need to hold out on KJ. He's under-performed his first round contract.

Rookie contracts aren't that draining to the salary cap. When I said have him play out his contract to earn a new one, I really meant, earn a new contract with a different team in Free Agency. If he holds out let him, If we can trade him towards the end of his contract to a team that does want to pay him money, even better. There is no reason what-so-ever right now to cut him.

Are we going to have better CB's on the roster as they all develope, Very Likely. Should we throw away a commodity and depth just because he had a horrid rookie season. No.

WolverineFan
01-15-2012, 07:31 PM
I'm disappointed in Jackson's progress, but you hold onto him for now. Give him a 3rd year to see if he can develop further. He's obviously struggling with the adjustment, but he won't be a defense killer next year despite being the weakest link.

Cut Jones.

Lucky
01-15-2012, 07:43 PM
Let's make this a Kareem Jackson only thread.

My opinion? Kareem will be back, but will have to compete for his starting spot.

gafftop
01-15-2012, 07:47 PM
Let's make this a Kareem Jackson only thread.

My opinion? Kareem will be back, but will have to compete for his starting spot.

I agree he will be here but I hope he doesn't win the starting spot. If he does I may not make it through the whole season

fiasco west
01-15-2012, 07:54 PM
I agree he will be here but I hope he doesn't win the starting spot. If he does I may not make it through the whole season

Why not root for the young player who we have some investment in to make another stride of improvement and solidify himself as the clear #2?

Brandon420tx
01-15-2012, 07:57 PM
Because he hates first round picks. Next season he will start his campaign against Cushing, then after that Watt

DocBar
01-15-2012, 07:59 PM
Rookie contracts aren't that draining to the salary cap. When I said have him play out his contract to earn a new one, I really meant, earn a new contract with a different team in Free Agency. If he holds out let him, If we can trade him towards the end of his contract to a team that does want to pay him money, even better. There is no reason what-so-ever right now to cut him.

Are we going to have better CB's on the roster as they all develope, Very Likely. Should we throw away a commodity and depth just because he had a horrid rookie season. No.Under the old CBA, 1st rounders, especially top 10 picks, were VERY draining on the cap. The new CBA is much more friendly regarding rookie contracts.

TexCanada
01-15-2012, 08:03 PM
I really don't see how people can be down on the guy. The only reason he didn't meet expectations were because we expected him to be a pro-bowler in his first year. The reality is that going into his third year he has made some decent progress and with a few improvements can have a place in this league for a long time.

He may never be a #1 corner, and he may never make a pro bowl, but he has been a contributor on a damn good defense all year long. I have no issues with that at all.

Lucky
01-15-2012, 08:07 PM
He may never be a #1 corner, and he may never make a pro bowl, but he has been a contributor on a damn good defense all year long. I have no issues with that at all.
You could also say that Jackson benefited from playing behind a very good defense and having a Pro Bowl corner opposite. While he's no longer losing games, I still think the #2 CB spot is the weak link of the defense.

Mr. Texan
01-15-2012, 08:10 PM
he'd be a decent nickel corner but i'd still look for a true 2nd corner.

Brandon420tx
01-15-2012, 08:13 PM
Under the old CBA, 1st rounders, especially top 10 picks, were VERY draining on the cap. The new CBA is much more friendly regarding rookie contracts.

KJ got almost 14 mil over 5 years. With a huge chunk of that at 10 mil gaurunteed. It will cost more to cut him early than to keep him in his rookie contract. This was only year 2 of his contract, 3 more to go, 2 more before you start making decision of whether he stays or goes unless he regresses back to his rookie play level

DocBar
01-15-2012, 08:15 PM
I really don't see how people can be down on the guy. The only reason he didn't meet expectations were because we expected him to be a pro-bowler in his first year. The reality is that going into his third year he has made some decent progress and with a few improvements can have a place in this league for a long time.

He may never be a #1 corner, and he may never make a pro bowl, but he has been a contributor on a damn good defense all year long. I have no issues with that at all.KJ got better as the season went along, but the bar wasn't set very high for him, either. It would've been damned near impossible for him not to show some improvement over last season. He's still not in the same hemisphere with a shutdown type CB and probably never will be. We're all sitting here getting all excited because he actually turned his head and looked for the ball today. That's a WOW occassion for KJ. Not so much for good to better CBs' in the league.

DocBar
01-15-2012, 08:16 PM
KJ got almost 14 mil over 5 years. With a huge chunk of that at 10 mil gaurunteed. It will cost more to cut him early than to keep him in his rookie contract. This was only year 2 of his contract, 3 more to go, 2 more before you start making decision of whether he stays or goes unless he regresses back to his rookie play levelI'm not hollering to cut him. I was just pointing out the differences in the CBA regarding top 10 picks. KJ was picked 17th or so, so his salary isn't as onerous as a top 10.

76Texan
01-15-2012, 08:18 PM
he'd be a decent nickel corner but i'd still look for a true 2nd corner.

Out of the other 31 teams, give me some names of true #2 corner
you will take over KJ. (That goes for everybody who continues to say similarly).

And pray show/tell us about those guys.

GP
01-15-2012, 08:28 PM
You know where I have traditionally stood on this issue.

Today, and I will preface it with a very big "IF," but IF Kareem Jackson takes today and builds upon his performance today...IF he reviews film and sees things that I saw in him today, and IF he gets some swagger and goes into camp with the attitude that he SHOULD have....he will be a good one.

Look guys, the Ravens WRs were making CIRCUS CATCHES. You have to give mad respect to them for their ability to make one-hand catches while twisting around to try and beat KJ's defense of them. On one play, KJ deflects the ball but it unluckily bounces into the WR's hands. That's luck (for the WR).

Was today the day it "clicked" for KJ? I mean, where the hell was this sort of play from KJ all year? I have never seen him play THIS well like he did today. He wasn't abused today. He was with his man, in stride, and was creating tough plays for them.

If anything, I think it's time for this team to go after a genuinely talented Safety to pair with Manning. Look, the Demps and the Quins and the bargain basement late-round draft pick guys are OK, but if these two CBs had TWO high-caliber safeties to swarm to their assistance in the right times??? Look out, Jack.

I find zero fault with #25's play today. If anything, he just made that huge leap that we wanted/expected. This is, of course, subject to how he handles his business in the off-season and how he treats his opportunities moving forward here. But in a road game in the playoffs, hostile crowd, pressure-cooker environment, he was pretty good today IMO.

Mr. Texan
01-15-2012, 08:28 PM
Out of the other 31 teams, give me some names of true #2 corner
you will take over KJ. (That goes for everybody who continues to say similarly).

And pray show/tell us about those guys.

I've always wanted quin to be our #2 corner and look into trying to find another safety through draft or FA or put nolan out there.

Lucky
01-15-2012, 08:30 PM
If anything, I think it's time for this team to go after a genuinely talented Safety to pair with Manning. Look, the Demps and the Quins and the bargain basement late-round draft pick guys are OK, but if these two CBs had TWO high-caliber safeties to swarm to their assistance in the right times??? Look out, Jack.
You're kidding, right? Quin is twice the player that Jackson is.

aussie_texan
01-15-2012, 08:31 PM
Kareem played well he had good coverage just unlucky that flacco made some good throws and the WRs made some amazing catches.

one knock for me on KJ is that he needs to locate the ball earlier. but i think that will come. i have seen enough profession from last year to this year to stick with him for another season or two.

Norg
01-15-2012, 08:31 PM
No wayy. Jackson played good today all the catches on him what were they unbeleivable catches boldin was doing like a 360 tight ropeing catching balls behind his back Cant failt jackson for that that wont happen every gamee

76Texan
01-15-2012, 08:33 PM
You know where I have traditionally stood on this issue.

Today, and I will preface it with a very big "IF," but IF Kareem Jackson takes today and builds upon his performance today...IF he reviews film and sees things that I saw in him today, and IF he gets some swagger and goes into camp with the attitude that he SHOULD have....he will be a good one.

Look guys, the Ravens WRs were making CIRCUS CATCHES. You have to give mad respect to them for their ability to make one-hand catches while twisting around to try and beat KJ's defense of them. On one play, KJ deflects the ball but it unluckily bounces into the WR's hands. That's luck (for the WR).

Was today the day it "clicked" for KJ? I mean, where the hell was this sort of play from KJ all year? I have never seen him play THIS well like he did today. He wasn't abused today. He was with his man, in stride, and was creating tough plays for them.

If anything, I think it's time for this team to go after a genuinely talented Safety to pair with Manning. Look, the Demps and the Quins and the bargain basement late-round draft pick guys are OK, but if these two CBs had TWO high-caliber safeties to swarm to their assistance in the right times??? Look out, Jack.

I find zero fault with #25's play today. If anything, he just made that huge leap that we wanted/expected. This is, of course, subject to how he handles his business in the off-season and how he treats his opportunities moving forward here. But in a road game in the playoffs, hostile crowd, pressure-cooker environment, he was pretty good today IMO.
:bravo:

Here's to an open-minded fan.
I tip my hat to you, good Sir!
:tiphat:

axisv
01-15-2012, 08:44 PM
Kareem has gotten progressively better this season. He had good coverage on those long receptions. Sometimes you just can't stop a perfect throw and catch. Next year he will have the benefit of playoff experience. Jacoby Jones has GOT to go! We shouldn't feel too bad. Just think how bad the Packers and Saints fans feel.

GP
01-15-2012, 08:47 PM
:bravo:

Here's to an open-minded fan.
I tip my hat to you, good Sir!
:tiphat:

Don't get too excited. I don't care where you think I stand on it, nor if you're happy with my current upswing in attitude toward him, because it takes one game next season for me to switch party affiliation. Two years is a long time, IMO, and he hit a groove today that I expected him to make in about game 1 of this season.

Look, TODAY was the first game in two years where he looked like he belonged as CB2 out there. Frankly, it is Year 3 where he is going to progress or settle back into mediocrity.

It's up to him, not you and not me. KJ has to decide if he holds himself to the standard of today's play (and builds upon it) or if he settles back into a rut of being outfought and outran and outplayed.

PapaL
01-15-2012, 08:51 PM
You know where I have traditionally stood on this issue.

Today, and I will preface it with a very big "IF," but IF Kareem Jackson takes today and builds upon his performance today...IF he reviews film and sees things that I saw in him today, and IF he gets some swagger and goes into camp with the attitude that he SHOULD have....he will be a good one.

Look guys, the Ravens WRs were making CIRCUS CATCHES. You have to give mad respect to them for their ability to make one-hand catches while twisting around to try and beat KJ's defense of them. On one play, KJ deflects the ball but it unluckily bounces into the WR's hands. That's luck (for the WR).

Was today the day it "clicked" for KJ? I mean, where the hell was this sort of play from KJ all year? I have never seen him play THIS well like he did today. He wasn't abused today. He was with his man, in stride, and was creating tough plays for them.

If anything, I think it's time for this team to go after a genuinely talented Safety to pair with Manning. Look, the Demps and the Quins and the bargain basement late-round draft pick guys are OK, but if these two CBs had TWO high-caliber safeties to swarm to their assistance in the right times??? Look out, Jack.

I find zero fault with #25's play today. If anything, he just made that huge leap that we wanted/expected. This is, of course, subject to how he handles his business in the off-season and how he treats his opportunities moving forward here. But in a road game in the playoffs, hostile crowd, pressure-cooker environment, he was pretty good today IMO.


I bumped the thread where I too was hard on him. I give him full credit. He played his butt off today. I have no problem w TODAY'S Jackson. Hopefully the other version is gone now.

GP
01-15-2012, 09:01 PM
I don't like how I criticize the problems I saw in KJ prior to today's game, but today I come out and say "I saw a lot of GREAT things about KJ today" and suddenly I'm getting Internet high-fives for complimenting him.

I've even received rep from a separate poster for the post where I spoke in glowing terms of Kareem Jackson.

Hows about instead of giving me Internet high-fives, or giving me rep, some of you just choose to NOT berate me and insult my analysis of KJ in the future? That would mean more to me than patting me on my back when I "finally" say good things about him.

IMO, this reveals who has an agenda (as we love to say in this type of topic about KJ) and who is just calling it like they see it. I catch hell from all angles for critiquing KJ and not being soft in my comments, but today I go Dairy Queen soft-serve, which KJ deserves, and now I'm on people's Christmas List again. LOL.

News Flash: I was one of only about 3 posters at the start of this season who thought Jacoby was going to be a huge factor in our season this year...I just never dreamt it would be a NEGATIVE factor. By the Raiders game, I saw that I was wrong in my analysis on him...he needed to go THEN and he needs to go NOW, even more-so.

That's how fast a player's stock can drop in the NFL. And for two years, minus today's playoff game, KJ showed me nothing to get excited about. Today, he showed me a lot...but this season is over, unfortunately, and now he has a long way to go before showing what he can do in Game 1 of the 2012 season.

For all I know, today was a fluke. After all, I saw similar flashes in the pan with Jacoby all his previous seasons here...and we see how THAT turned out.

Not trying to be rude to the few posters who are probably fuming that they paid me compliments and had it turned around on them like I have done here. I'm just saying that a few of you have been very harsh to me and now you're nice as pie. It would be nice to just know where I stand with people, that's all. And that's easy to do with the guys here that I've known on here for the past 10 years. A few of you should know that I call it like I see it. No agendas with GP.

Perki-Perk
01-15-2012, 09:05 PM
I know there were definitely 2 or 3 times today while watching the game, that I yelled out, "There you go Kareem!" I felt like a teamate, rooting on a guy that hasn't quite got it, who seems to be getting better. Kareem is not at fault at all for the loss today. Shame on you're inability to properly analyze football.

Jacoby Fumble, 3 Interceptions. THAT is what cost us the game. Get real people. 17 points off of turnovers....SEVENTEEN!!!!!! Take that away and it's 13-3. The 2 touchdowns came on a VERY short field. The Defense played OUTSTANDING today and I was very proud of them. Arian and AJ played very well. Walter, smh, that last pass hit his shoulder, and if he would have turned only slightly more. As it stands though, I think the Pats are going to make the Ravens look like the Broncos. I think the Ravens D is quite a bit over rated...especially going into New England. 35-10 Pats.

Going forward, we definitely need a #2 WR, I think Walter comes back as the #3 and Lestar Jean may also make the team. We need a P/K/R. I'd rather we find someone that specializes in the 2, so that we don't risk injury to Manning. I'd also like some additional CB help. I think Jackson and Allen are better than 60% of your CB's out there...real talk. McCain is a good cover, but as someone stated earlier...too short. We definitely go with a WR first round, unless it's a reach, then we go BPA I think. Last year was all D and I think we're mostly set. We're mostly looking for second teamers this year in the draft, and that is awesome.

Before we all get too excited about free agency, let's remember, we have both Foster and Williams coming up for a contract. I'm hoping Williams won't ask for a whole lot, and Foster doesn't seem like a knuckle head like the dude on the Traitors. I think we bring them back. Our depth was shockingly good this year. What a fight this team put together. I wouldn't mind getting another QB project maybe in a late round, other than that.

What a season! Best one in 10 years...obviously, but we surely weren't the "same ol Texans' Hey, you let those Cowboy fans know that we have as many playoff wins as they do in the last decade...and we did it with our 3rd string rookie. Get off it Dallas, there's a new king in Texas!

GP
01-15-2012, 09:24 PM
I know there were definitely 2 or 3 times today while watching the game, that I yelled out, "There you go Kareem!" I felt like a teamate, rooting on a guy that hasn't quite got it, who seems to be getting better. Kareem is not at fault at all for the loss today.

I was eerily calm today when I saw a pass thrown to KJ's side. In fact, I fully expected him to be OK when targeted. He really did turn it up a notch today.

I wonder if it just took all the pressure in the world to come down on KJ for him to flip that switch. I know that Saban was NOT enthusiastic about KJ entering the draft a year early. Saban endorsed the other 'Bama guys who declared for that draft, but he went silent when asked about KJ (or had some sort of lack of support for KJ declaring early, due to Saban thinking he wasn't ready).

Maybe Saban knew that KJ needed another year. This would mean that KJ would have had THIS kind of season as a rookie. Maybe KJ truly was not developed enough to handle CB2 duties in the NFL, and for all that we don't like about Saban....he saw it and spoke up about it at the time. Call Saban a royal doosh all you want, but he hit the nail on the head about KJ needing more time at the collegiate level. His rookie year was blood-in-the-water bad. Period.

KJ has to play like this every week now. He has to enter Johnathan Joseph territory and try to be like him. Every week. I think, no...I am HOPING...that KJ made a jump today. He played his butt off.

thunderkyss
01-15-2012, 09:27 PM
I don't like how I criticize the problems I saw in KJ prior to today's game, but today I come out and say "I saw a lot of GREAT things about KJ today" and suddenly I'm getting Internet high-fives for complimenting him.

I've even received rep from a separate poster for the post where I spoke in glowing terms of Kareem Jackson.

Hows about instead of giving me Internet high-fives, or giving me rep, some of you just choose to NOT berate me and insult my analysis of KJ in the future? That would mean more to me than patting me on my back when I "finally" say good things about him.


I think you deserve rep for this post, you're spot on. Except I don't think anyone has berated you or your analysis... We (I) may think you're wrong most of the time, but that's not the same as berating you.

I don't think Kareem did much today, that he hasn't been doing all season. He got his hands on a few more balls, I think because Flacco was trying to force the ball to his best receiver.

Kj covers his receiver, but just like every other game, he has no feel for where the ball is. Yes, Lee Evens made a circus catch. Yes, all the catches on Kj today were made despite good coverage.

That's life in the NFL. He's got to get better & I think he will. This is where he should have been at the end of last season, but the circumstances did not allow it.

Anyway, this is what I've been saying since about week 8 or 9.... balls don't go Kj's way, because his guy is usually "covered"

We play a lot of man coverage, probably more than any other team in the league & we've got the #2 (or #3) pass defense in the league.

Yes, the front 7 has a lot to do with that, but we've also gotten more coverage sacks than ever before.

TexCanada
01-15-2012, 09:43 PM
You could also say that Jackson benefited from playing behind a very good defense and having a Pro Bowl corner opposite. While he's no longer losing games, I still think the #2 CB spot is the weak link of the defense.

I think his ceiling appears to be as a #2 corner. We can sit here and complain that we want him to be a #1 corner, but he as a #2 corner he can still be a part of this D. Somebody has to fill that role and I have no problem with him doing that as long as he makes a few more minor improvements. If we can find somebody better to replace him then great, but #2 CB is not a major need for this team.

GP
01-15-2012, 09:49 PM
I think you deserve rep for this post, you're spot on. Except I don't think anyone has berated you or your analysis... We (I) may think you're wrong most of the time, but that's not the same as berating you.

I don't think Kareem did much today, that he hasn't been doing all season. He got his hands on a few more balls, I think because Flacco was trying to force the ball to his best receiver.

Kj covers his receiver, but just like every other game, he has no feel for where the ball is. Yes, Lee Evens made a circus catch. Yes, all the catches on Kj today were made despite good coverage.

That's life in the NFL. He's got to get better & I think he will. This is where he should have been at the end of last season, but the circumstances did not allow it.

Anyway, this is what I've been saying since about week 8 or 9.... balls don't go Kj's way, because his guy is usually "covered"

We play a lot of man coverage, probably more than any other team in the league & we've got the #2 (or #3) pass defense in the league.

Yes, the front 7 has a lot to do with that, but we've also gotten more coverage sacks than ever before.

You never dogged me this season, TK. Yeah, you and I have some good back and forths where we might push the limit...but we still hug and shake hands at the end of the day. The old wolf and sheep dog act from the cartoons, and all that jazz.

I'd like to say more, but I want to stay above the fray and stuff. I made my point to the ones who dogged me all year and now today are repping me for being positive about their guy.

ThaJokaa
01-15-2012, 09:58 PM
Seriously? What game were you watching? I saw a new and improved KJ that i havent seen all year. He ran with his receviers and looked back to find the ball to bat it away. The receivers just hads some super glue on thier gloves. KJ did his job, if he can play like that always, we'll be good.

GP
01-15-2012, 10:10 PM
I am going to go on record here and just say "I'm sorry" for posting my frustrations out loud instead of perhaps Private Messaging people to discuss my problems with them. My bad, sincerely.

No moderator asked me to do this, I just love this place (and the people here!) so much that I don't ever want to do anything to get banned. This place is where my friends live.

To 76 and BuddyBoy, I apologize. I cannot see inside your head and rightfully judge why you say, or do, or think what you think (whether it has to do with what you think or what you think of what I think). And I think, LOL, I am guilty of having internalized a lot of this stuff to the point that it made me mad.

And so a public transgression deserves a public apology.

Kareem played his butt off today. Enuff said.

76Texan
01-15-2012, 10:20 PM
I am going to go on record here and just say "I'm sorry" for posting my frustrations out loud instead of perhaps Private Messaging people to discuss my problems with them. My bad, sincerely.

No moderator asked me to do this, I just love this place (and the people here!) so much that I don't ever want to do anything to get banned. This place is where my friends live.

To 76 and BuddyBoy, I apologize. I cannot see inside your head and rightfully judge why you say, or do, or think what you think (whether it has to do with what you think or what you think of what I think). And I think, LOL, I am guilty of having internalized a lot of this stuff to the point that it made me mad.

And so a public transgression deserves a public apology.

Kareem played his butt off today. Enuff said.
I'm not worried.

There's nothing to worry about. :bender:

badboy
01-16-2012, 10:04 AM
cool story bro.

keep making your annual erroneous statements about 90% of the players in the draft and fallacious analysis of their transition to the pros.

you have such an eye for talent.DiscoTuna...you attack a poster who has years of serious positive reps from folks reading his stuff concerning college players? At least have the testicles to come with opinions showing where Rmartin65 is wrong. I have known 65 for a very long time and believe he is right on target 90% of time not the other way around that you state. I don't recall you even posting a mock so where are your credentials?

You made what appears to be a racial slur against a black Texan & that offends me. Why can't you just state your opinion about 65 & KJ and then support your position with examples rather than slide into sewer mode? You come across like a child on the play ground whimpering "nana pooh pooh".

My opinion is Rmartin65 has forgotten more knowledge on football that you appear to know. Man up dude and participate in the mock draft forum on a regular basis rather than being a strudel poptart than doesn't produce until it gets hot then squirts out a bit of something that most wished they had not looked at.

badboy
01-16-2012, 10:18 AM
I doubt anyone was more against the selection of Kareem Jackson than I and many of you remember the thread I started after he was selected. I continue to think his ceiling is CB2 at best & would do better as a nickle. Having said that, I was impressed with his play yesterday evaluated against his play before. I will not evaluate him against Joseph. IMO, I thought KJ outplayed Allen. Jackson seemed to get into the body of the WR more than ever before. SOme of the receptions against him were just great plays.

As he is liked by coaches I hope he continues to grow. I do not see a CB drafted in top 4 rounds if at all because of Harris and Carmichael.

drunkcookie
01-16-2012, 11:07 AM
IF yesterday is a sign of things to come from KJ, the #2 CB position might be in pretty good hands... IF...

This kid improved a lot his second year... Let's bring in some more competition and see where things go...

drs23
01-16-2012, 11:42 AM
I doubt anyone was more against the selection of Kareem Jackson than I and many of you remember the thread I started after he was selected. I continue to think his ceiling is CB2 at best & would do better as a nickle. Having said that, I was impressed with his play yesterday evaluated against his play before. I will not evaluate him against Joseph. IMO, I thought KJ outplayed Allen. Jackson seemed to get into the body of the WR more than ever before. SOme of the receptions against him were just great plays.

As he is liked by coaches I hope he continues to grow. I do not see a CB drafted in top 4 rounds if at all because of Harris and Carmichael.

Yes, I think I recall something along those lines. :D :handshake:

thunderkyss
01-16-2012, 12:01 PM
IF yesterday is a sign of things to come from KJ, the #2 CB position might be in pretty good hands... IF...

This kid improved a lot his second year... Let's bring in some more competition and see where things go...

We can & should relax at the #2CB position for next year. We've still got McCain behind Kareem, McMannis, Brandon Harris, & Roc Carmichael.

Then depending on what they do with Jason Allen, it's going to be very competitive at that position this off-season.

PHAROAH
01-16-2012, 12:08 PM
Man let's stop with the cut Kareem Jackson posts the kid had excellent coverage on Anquan Bolden the guy just made some crazy catches and has been doing that for years. Now get rid of Jacoby Jones & Kevin Walter they dropped passes and punt returns and they caught 2 passes for 36 yards in two playoff games.

drunkcookie
01-16-2012, 12:12 PM
Now get rid of Jacoby Jones & Kevin Walter they dropped passes and punt returns

The difference between JJ and Walter is Walter's mistakes are not expected, meaning they're not often... He will make a helluva a true #3 receiver next year....i hope...

ThaJokaa
01-16-2012, 02:01 PM
Man let's stop with the cut Kareem Jackson posts the kid had excellent coverage on Anquan Bolden the guy just made some crazy catches and has been doing that for years. Now get rid of Jacoby Jones & Kevin Walter they dropped passes and punt returns and they caught 2 passes for 36 yards in two playoff games.

God youre an idiot...

Should we cut AJ also since he dropped passes in the Bengals game? JJ no doubt, but KW is a great 3rd option...

Dutchrudder
01-16-2012, 02:07 PM
It would be really dumb to cut Kjax at this point. He's going into his third year and has shown quite a bit of improvement this year. Granted that may be due to the incredible amount of QB pressure the front 7 has gotten this year, but he has assuredly taken a step in the right direction. The guy has at least 2 more years left on his contract, and quite a bit of guaranteed money. Cutting him at this point would be a waste of cap space and a detriment to the team.

Contract per Rotoworld:

7/30/2010: Signed a five-year, $13.1 million contract. The deal contains $10.35 million guaranteed. Another $3.1 million is available through incentives. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $700,000, 2013: $995,000, 2014: $1.29 million (Option Year), 2015: Free Agent

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/hou/texans

Signing Bonus $6,565,000 per sportrac (1,313,000 per year)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/kareem-jackson/

foo82
01-16-2012, 02:07 PM
KJ definitely looked good yesterday. Especially since he received praises from GP and badboy. Now if we heard praises from Ellisunit, then things would really be strange.

badboy
01-16-2012, 04:42 PM
KJ definitely looked good yesterday. Especially since he received praises from GP and badboy. Now if we heard praises from Ellisunit, then things would really be strange.Hopefully, this shows that I make valuations on what I see not just "my ideas or players are better than Texans".