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srrono
01-10-2012, 10:08 PM
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Jaguars hire Mike Mularkey as head coach tinyurl.com/6ujka3c #NFL #Jaguars
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/23098/Jaguars-hire-Mike-Mularkey-as-head-coach/Default.aspx

ChampionTexan
01-10-2012, 10:13 PM
TheRedzoneorg The Redzone
Jaguars hire Mike Mularkey as head coach tinyurl.com/6ujka3c #NFL #Jaguars
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/23098/Jaguars-hire-Mike-Mularkey-as-head-coach/Default.aspx

Saved the Falcons the trouble of firing him (and paying him next year).

Carr Bombed
01-10-2012, 10:30 PM
Jag fans are NOT happy..

http://forum.jaguars.com/index.php?showtopic=700278&st=0


They are pissed.

texanhead08
01-10-2012, 10:35 PM
Falcons fans are dancing in the street. I would guess MoJo is pissed now. They will have California Sunshine dropping back more and taking the fetal postion when the rush gets near and less Mojo it sounds pretty good for the Texans.

TEXANRED
01-10-2012, 11:24 PM
That's a bunch of Mularkey.

ChampionTexan
01-10-2012, 11:25 PM
Looks like Mularkey's hiring made the Jets realize that their problem (perceived or real) wasn't going to be solved by another NFL team like the Falcons was:

ProFootballWkly Pro Football Weekly
#Jets announce that Brian Schottenheimer will not return in 2012 as offensive coordinator. Choice made by the coach.
5 minutes ago

BetaV1
01-10-2012, 11:28 PM
I expect the Jaguars defense to be absolute incredible for years to come since Mularkey really knows how to keep offenses from scoring.

Mr teX
01-10-2012, 11:33 PM
Dude couldn't make it work with weapons in ATL, how's he gonna do it with considerably less weaponry in Jax? They're going to be terrible.............:bender::kingkong::bluesbro:

texanhead08
01-11-2012, 12:02 AM
dude couldn't make it work with weapons in atl, how's he gonna do it with considerably less weaponry in jax? They're going to continue to be terrible.............:bender::kingkong::bluesbro:

fify

brakos82
01-11-2012, 12:45 AM
I expect the Jaguars defense to be absolute incredible for years to come since Mularkey really knows how to keep offenses from scoring.

Especially his own. LOL

Texecutioner
01-11-2012, 01:02 AM
Kind of funny to hear Mularky getting bashed like this. Dude took a terrible team to the post season 3 out of 4 seasons, and played a strong role in building this team up again after Vick left this franchise in shambles. Mularky did a pretty damn good job in ATL. He just didn't have the same success in the post season. I'm not sure that he should have been fired really, but for people to discount this guy in Jacksonville as if he's some joke of a HC is ridiculous. That team didn't have jack **** worth a weapons before he got there in ATL, and he's partly responsible for why they have some of them now.

Dutchrudder
01-11-2012, 01:57 AM
Hey, if Mularkey can make people think Matt Ryan is elite then he can definitely make Blaine Gabbert at least the 6th pro-bowl alternate.

thunderkyss
01-11-2012, 07:46 AM
Kind of funny to hear Mularky getting bashed like this.

They probably had their sights set on Cowher.

RazorOye
01-11-2012, 08:01 AM
Mularky did a pretty damn good job in ATL. He just didn't have the same success in the post season. I'm not sure that he should have been fired really, but for people to discount this guy in Jacksonville as if he's some joke of a HC is ridiculous. That team didn't have jack **** worth a weapons before he got there in ATL, and he's partly responsible for why they have some of them now.

I don't know that I'd agree. On paper, I fear the Falcons a lot more than I have on the field. I don't know how much of it is on Mularkey, but it seemed to me to be a case of not identifying strengths or forcing an identity on an offense where personnel didn't match or drafting for something other than what you should be built for. Or maybe a combination of all three.

Turner, Gonzales, Rodgers, Mughelli, Jones, White, Douglas, Snelling. These aren't offensive slouches. These are guys with talent. And I don't think - at least in playoff games or games vs. the Saints - that the right thing was done with their personnel.

Atlanta had a record of something like 20-3 as of December of this year when Turner rushed for over 100 yards. And, about that time, they started to press this no huddle, vertical offense. Attempted, anyway.

Their offensive line underperformed (in passing and short yardage) and Ryan's arm is simply not enough. If you are an OC, then I think you need to identify what your QB can do and design an offense around that. With Turner at RB and Gonzales at TE, you have two great pieces to do just that.

They didn't. And it cost them.

Ryan doesn't take risks - he's scared, I think, to really press the ball into tight holes down the field. I don't know if it's a confidence issue but I know it's an arm issue.

All of this makes the deal for Jones even more bizarre. The QB can't get the ball to him deep. Ryan has the Capt. Checkdown reputation for a reason and it's well deserved. For three seasons his reads went like this: White up to 15 yards, throw to Gonzales. He panics quickly and dumps the ball off. I don't think he has the arm, patience, accuracy, elusiveness in the pocket to let the play develop down the field - so why try this no huddle, vertical whatever?

I don't get it.

Now, how much of that is Mularkey? No idea. But I know as a Saints fan, I was hoping he'd stick around. With a more competent OC, they can be a more dangerous team (though Turner slowed noticeably this year - or maybe was less strong; Gonzales aged another year).

Yes, he had some success. I guess the question is how much of that was the pure talent and how much of that is scheme? I think the answer is both - so it's a matter of relativity. And I think the Falcons could be scarier on offense with a better scheme and with better playcalling.

Does that mean he'll be terrible in JAX? No. I just wouldn't have high expectations - I haven't seen much from him to make me hope if I am a Jags fan and were I one, i'd be pretty bummed about this. If he makes MoJo the focus of his scheme, I think he could improve them - Turner did well under him. But if he tries too hard to press Gabbert into things he doesn't excel at - in order to be a high flying offense, as he's done in ATL, then he's missing an opportunity with jones-Drew.

El Tejano
01-11-2012, 09:16 AM
Kind of funny to hear Mularky getting bashed like this. Dude took a terrible team to the post season 3 out of 4 seasons, and played a strong role in building this team up again after Vick left this franchise in shambles. Mularky did a pretty damn good job in ATL. He just didn't have the same success in the post season. I'm not sure that he should have been fired really, but for people to discount this guy in Jacksonville as if he's some joke of a HC is ridiculous. That team didn't have jack **** worth a weapons before he got there in ATL, and he's partly responsible for why they have some of them now.

I'm thinking the same thing. Plus you can't count out the fact that he'll have MJD to work with and appearantly he knows how to draft WRs.

Texecutioner
01-11-2012, 11:13 AM
I don't know that I'd agree. On paper, I fear the Falcons a lot more than I have on the field. I don't know how much of it is on Mularkey, but it seemed to me to be a case of not identifying strengths or forcing an identity on an offense where personnel didn't match or drafting for something other than what you should be built for. Or maybe a combination of all three.

Turner, Gonzales, Rodgers, Mughelli, Jones, White, Douglas, Snelling. These aren't offensive slouches. These are guys with talent. And I don't think - at least in playoff games or games vs. the Saints - that the right thing was done with their personnel.

Atlanta had a record of something like 20-3 as of December of this year when Turner rushed for over 100 yards. And, about that time, they started to press this no huddle, vertical offense. Attempted, anyway.

Their offensive line underperformed (in passing and short yardage) and Ryan's arm is simply not enough. If you are an OC, then I think you need to identify what your QB can do and design an offense around that. With Turner at RB and Gonzales at TE, you have two great pieces to do just that.

They didn't. And it cost them.

Ryan doesn't take risks - he's scared, I think, to really press the ball into tight holes down the field. I don't know if it's a confidence issue but I know it's an arm issue.

All of this makes the deal for Jones even more bizarre. The QB can't get the ball to him deep. Ryan has the Capt. Checkdown reputation for a reason and it's well deserved. For three seasons his reads went like this: White up to 15 yards, throw to Gonzales. He panics quickly and dumps the ball off. I don't think he has the arm, patience, accuracy, elusiveness in the pocket to let the play develop down the field - so why try this no huddle, vertical whatever?

I don't get it.

Now, how much of that is Mularkey? No idea. But I know as a Saints fan, I was hoping he'd stick around. With a more competent OC, they can be a more dangerous team (though Turner slowed noticeably this year - or maybe was less strong; Gonzales aged another year).

Yes, he had some success. I guess the question is how much of that was the pure talent and how much of that is scheme? I think the answer is both - so it's a matter of relativity. And I think the Falcons could be scarier on offense with a better scheme and with better playcalling.

Does that mean he'll be terrible in JAX? No. I just wouldn't have high expectations - I haven't seen much from him to make me hope if I am a Jags fan and were I one, i'd be pretty bummed about this. If he makes MoJo the focus of his scheme, I think he could improve them - Turner did well under him. But if he tries too hard to press Gabbert into things he doesn't excel at - in order to be a high flying offense, as he's done in ATL, then he's missing an opportunity with jones-Drew.

This is a pretty reasonable analysis. I won't say that they've seemed a little disappointing as far as their playoff performance has been as they haven't won a game under Mularky, but they have been a successful team that has been in a pretty tough division especially last season when the Bucs were really good record wise and they had the best NFC record.

The difference between the Saints and the Falcons is a real simple one. Drew Brees and Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan is a very good NFL QB. He has been since he entered the league. He's led his team to 3 winning seasons out of 4 and has two division titles while having to compete against the Saints for that. Drew Brees is a HOF QB though. He is one of the best of all time. When you compare a very good NFL QB to an all time great HOF QB, well that can become a "huge difference" in the grand scheme of things.

So switch Brees and Ryan on their teams and how do you think both teams do?

Mularky took a team that was in the gutter and transformed them in one season. That was a damn good turn around. He also has kept them as a very good team in the NFC. Who will ATL get that is better?? Cowher? If they can land him, than yeah go for it. I don't see any other guys though that are easy upgrades though. So for all of the winning that the Falcons have had in the 4 seasons he has been there, how do you fire him now? I'd give him at least one more season. The only difference between him and other HC's in the NFC that have won games is playoff wins.

Remember that it took Coughlin several seasons before he actually won one and before winning the SB, the Giants never had a season where they were the best team in the NFC for the season.

I really find it funny that die hard Kubiak supporters would trash Mularky as if he's some lame duck HC though. That's a good laugh right there. Talk about inconsistency.

RazorOye
01-11-2012, 12:06 PM
The difference between the Saints and the Falcons is a real simple one. Drew Brees and Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan is a very good NFL QB. He has been since he entered the league. He's led his team to 3 winning seasons out of 4 and has two division titles while having to compete against the Saints for that.

I think Ryan is a decent, above average QB. Like I've said - more than once now - he has a specific skillset. Short/intermediate throws. Decent decision maker. Best friends are running game and dependable tight end. WRs with good hands (since his accuracy isn't all that great).

I don't think he is "elite" (as John Clayton did). I don't think he's a top 10 QB, but I could see arguments for him being around 10-12. And I think he's good enough to win. I think he's the 3rd best QB in his division. Cam Newton scares me much more than Ryan.

There's an article on SI today that highlights Ryan's shortcomings in the vertical game and the strange trade for Jones considering that
:

Costly Jones trade came back to bite Falcons in playoffs (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/web/COM1193762/1/index.htm)

All of which brings us to the elephant in the room in Atlanta's 2011 post-mortem of pigskin: Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan simply can't get it done.

He's consistently had trouble getting the ball downfield throughout his career, and has now played poorly in three straight playoff games. In fact, Ryan has statistically stagnated somewhere well below mediocre in his three postseason games, all losses: 72.8 rating in the 2008 playoffs; 69.0 rating in the 2010 playoffs; and 71.1 rating here in the 2011 playoffs.

It doesn't matter how many so-called "weapons" you put around a quarterback. The Shiny Hood Ornament Man Law tells us that quarterbacks make wide receivers, not the other way around. And right now we have four years of evidence saying that Ryan is not good enough to make his receivers better.

While I think the criticism is overly harsh - I think he can get it done - I think the key point holds. Matt Ryan is not a vertical passer. Atlanta's success comes when they have a top 5 rushing attack (they were #2 rushing w/ Turner in that turnaround year you're talking about). And hoping Jones and White and Gonzales will make him a vertical threat isn't going to make him one. And scheming a no huddle, vertical show-on-turf isn't going to make him one, either.

And that's my biggest issue with Mularkey: his scheme didn't fit his personnel. His play calling - in the stretch and in the playoffs - doesn't match Ryan's skillset.

For me, that's a pretty big indictment/oversight on the part of the OC. We had the same problem with Gary Gibbs as Saints DC prior to Williams' hire. He had a scheme that didn't fit the personnel and never changed it.

I don't know why Atlanta abandoned Turner and the running game. I don't know how much of that was on Mularkey. But it was a poor decision.

If he rides Jones-Drew as he did Turner to a 20-3 record when Turner goes 100+ yards, then they can be an effective - though not eye-popping - offense.

If he insists on abandoning a Pro Bowl RB in favor of a QB (maybe Gabbert can do what Ryan can't - you watch more Gabber than I do in the division, so I don't know), then I wouldn't hope for much.

Dutchrudder
01-11-2012, 12:17 PM
If he insists on abandoning a Pro Bowl RB in favor of a QB (maybe Gabbert can do what Ryan can't - you watch more Gabber than I do in the division, so I don't know), then I wouldn't hope for much.

Gabbert is complete and utter crap. Honestly, there is nothing redeeming about his game that makes me think he will ever amount to anything more than a 1st round bust who hangs around some team as a backup QB. The Jags screwed up big time reaching for him and it will come back to haunt them. They would have been better off trading that pick for David Carr.

RazorOye
01-11-2012, 12:26 PM
Gabbert is complete and utter crap. Honestly, there is nothing redeeming about his game that makes me think he will ever amount to anything more than a 1st round bust who hangs around some team as a backup QB. The Jags screwed up big time reaching for him and it will come back to haunt them. They would have been better off trading that pick for David Carr.

what little I've seen of him suggests the same - I was not impressed. He seemed to have pretty happy feet in the pocket and threw off his back foot a whole lot or bailed out of throws. I dunno... just not impressed. But that's based on limited looks.

If you're right, then it becomes more imperative for Mularkey to design a game plan around Jones-Drew. Maybe he's learned his lesson with Turner/Ryan in Atlanta better than to repeat it with Jones-Drew/Gabbert. If I am a Jags fan, though, seeing him try to make a QB (and that offense) into something he isn't (and they aren't) for the last couple of seasons (to the point it affected last year's draft and mortgaging of future drafts), then I would be understandably concerned.

TexanSam
01-11-2012, 12:41 PM
Gabbert is complete and utter crap. Honestly, there is nothing redeeming about his game that makes me think he will ever amount to anything more than a 1st round bust who hangs around some team as a backup QB. The Jags screwed up big time reaching for him and it will come back to haunt them. They would have been better off trading that pick for David Carr.

I agree. Hopefully Mularkey thinks Gabbert can become a good QB though. Would help us by keeping the Jags down! I wouldn't be surprised if the Jags went after RGIII or Matt Flynn though.

Dutchrudder
01-11-2012, 12:49 PM
I agree. Hopefully Mularkey thinks Gabbert can become a good QB though. Would help us by keeping the Jags down! I wouldn't be surprised if the Jags went after RGIII or Matt Flynn though.

Matt Flynn in free agency makes a lot of sense for them. To get RG3, they would likely need to give up at least a 2nd round pick, possibly their 2013 first. That would be too costly for a team that is in re-build mode. Flynn would be a great pickup and the Jags have a lot of money to spend on him. It would allow them to take an OT like Martin in the 1st to help protect the new QB and they could get a great WR in the 2nd to help the offense.

thunderkyss
01-11-2012, 12:52 PM
Mularky took a team that was in the gutter and transformed them in one season. That was a damn good turn around. He also has kept them as a very good team in the NFC. Who will ATL get that is better?? Cowher? If they can land him, than yeah go for it. I don't see any other guys though that are easy upgrades though. So for all of the winning that the Falcons have had in the 4 seasons he has been there, how do you fire him now? I'd give him at least one more season. The only difference between him and other HC's in the NFC that have won games is playoff wins.

I really find it funny that die hard Kubiak supporters would trash Mularky as if he's some lame duck HC though. That's a good laugh right there. Talk about inconsistency.

I think you may have Mike Mularkey mixed up with Mike Smith. Mularkey, the offensive coordinator did a fine job with the Falcons' offense. RazorOye is simply stating his opinion that Mularkey didn't utilize the strengths of the talent that he had, he feels the Falcons' offense underachieved because of this. RazorOye laid out a convincing argument.

As for Texans' fans ridiculing the pick for the Jaguars... that's the way it goes. We're a little insecure, but you know all about that. Shouldn't come as a surprise.

Goldensilence
01-11-2012, 12:58 PM
Oh come on you guys!

We all know this was a move to further disenfranchise the Jags fans to make the move to L.A. easier on them. It's easier to hate someone in a break up.

b0ng
01-11-2012, 01:02 PM
I'm overjoyed at this move.

Probably not a good sign for the Jaguars.

thunderkyss
01-11-2012, 01:05 PM
MJD just finished his 6th NFL season.

How much has he got left?

Don't get me wrong, I love the little guy, but 6 seasons for a RB is a long time.

alphajoker
01-11-2012, 01:12 PM
MJD just finished his 6th NFL season.

How much has he got left?

Don't get me wrong, I love the little guy, but 6 seasons for a RB is a long time.

You have to consider that he didn't start getting the bulk of the carries until his 3, maybe 4th year because Taylor was the featured back. I think he has more in the tank than the usually RB lifespan because he wasn't carrying as much in his first few years.