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CloakNNNdagger
01-10-2012, 12:48 PM
Just hear it on 610.

El Tejano
01-10-2012, 12:51 PM
This is why The Raiders can't put a winning team out there consistently.

IDEXAN
01-10-2012, 12:54 PM
Who's now running the Raiders since the death of Al Davis ?

Playoffs
01-10-2012, 12:56 PM
Smart move.

Texan4Ever
01-10-2012, 12:57 PM
They went 8-8 and look to be a promising team next season with Carson Palmer under the helm so, I don't understand the logic behind firing him...unless if they're getting a big name as a HC.

thunderkyss
01-10-2012, 12:57 PM
Big deal, coaching changes don't bring the trauma it used to, most of the time you can add 2-3 wins with a new coach. That's a 10 win season for them.

Blake
01-10-2012, 12:57 PM
Owner(s) - Mark and Carol Davis (majority owners)

Hue Jackson's wiki page is already updated.

He was fired on January 10, 2012.

El Tejano
01-10-2012, 01:03 PM
They went 8-8 and look to be a promising team next season with Carson Palmer under the helm so, I don't understand the logic behind firing him...unless if they're getting a big name as a HC.

Actually they were going to be better if Jason Campbell didn't go down. He was much better than Palmer. Wow all that hoopla with winning for Al and kicking us in the nads only to have this dude fired at the end of everything.

Carr Bombed
01-10-2012, 01:05 PM
Who's now running the Raiders since the death of Al Davis ?

Satan gave Al his one phone call.. :roast:

b0ng
01-10-2012, 01:08 PM
Smashing job on the Palmer trade coach.

Dutchrudder
01-10-2012, 01:08 PM
Actually they were going to be better if Jason Campbell didn't go down. He was much better than Palmer. Wow all that hoopla with winning for Al and kicking us in the nads only to have this dude fired at the end of everything.

I agree with that. But even worse for the Raiders, they gave up a 1st and 2nd to get Palmer, which further hurts the development of the team. Campbell was looking slightly above average before he went down and kept his team in the game by protecting the ball well. Palmer on the other hand looked like Brett Favre, putting up a good game one week, and throwing 3 INTs the next. Jackson was pretty well tied to Carson Palmer too, so I do wonder if Palmer will choose to retire now that Hue is out of the picture. Man would that be something...

gary
01-10-2012, 01:12 PM
They are probably going to hire a big name coach.

Mr. White
01-10-2012, 01:25 PM
Who's now running the Raiders since the death of Al Davis ?

Al Davis' son hired Reggie McKenzie from Green Bay as GM. IIRC, he also interviewed here and got beat out by Rick Smith.

ChampionTexan
01-10-2012, 01:40 PM
They are probably going to hire a big name coach.

Right now the name you're hearing the most is Winston Moss who's a LB Coach with the Packers (as well as being Asst. Head Coach).

Hervoyel
01-10-2012, 02:12 PM
Who's now running the Raiders since the death of Al Davis ?


Al Davis

If you think about it for a moment it all makes sense really.

santo
01-10-2012, 02:23 PM
I did like Jackson. Thought he was leading them in the right direction and I thought he was doing well with Campbell before the injury.

Oh well.

majestrate
01-10-2012, 02:30 PM
Word among some Raiders fans I know is that there's talk of Wade getting interviewed with them after the post-season

RagingBull
01-10-2012, 02:37 PM
Who's now running the Raiders since the death of Al Davis ?

Al Davis still runs the Raiders

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/8/20/bd109045-4338-4596-9945-b8e857e035e8.jpg

brakos82
01-10-2012, 02:54 PM
Al Davis has most likely been dead since 1997. They just decided to bury him this year.

PsychoLove
01-10-2012, 03:11 PM
If your child acts up in public it is the parents lack of disclipines.

If you team breaks an NFL recored for penalties it is the Head Coaches fault for lack of disclipine.

Nowadays, coaching for the Raiders is coaching suicide!

Kulluminatii
01-10-2012, 03:39 PM
I would have liked to see Jackson given another year, but I am definitely not surprised by this move. I've read reports that Jackson lost the locker room near the end of the season, and that players would roll their eyes when he threatened that there would be cuts. Jackson was pretty much all talk this season, he talked about "building a bully" but our D was bent over and taking it up the ass willingly damn near every game (to be fair, most of that blame goes to our former DC Bresnahan). And don't even get me started on the penalties. I can see why he made the trade for Palmer, but giving up what we did for him is ridiculous and could really hurt us long term.

I'm happy as hell that we finally got a GM, and that our GM is a former Raider who has had a ton of success in Green Bay. Its obvious McKenzie has been given the reins and I'm hoping he is able to put together one helluva coaching staff. I'm also looking forward to future drafts, we'll finally start drafting football players instead of track stars.

Doppelganger
01-10-2012, 03:55 PM
Word among some Raiders fans I know is that there's talk of Wade getting interviewed with them after the post-season

Why not Rob Ryan? He seemed to fit the culture out there and was pretty well liked when he was the DC.

Besides, Wade can't be the HC of TB and Oakland at the same time.

TexanSam
01-10-2012, 04:35 PM
Good opinion article about Jackson's firing. Sounds like a guy you don't want coaching your team.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/01/10/hue.jackson.firing/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp
The Hue Jackson error in Oakland is over, and as it turns out, maybe the Raiders are starting to make progress after all.

Jackson's firing on Tuesday after just one tumultuous season represents a clean break of sorts in Oakland, from the way things were done when Al Davis ran the whole show for decades, to the way business will now be conducted with new Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie in charge.

Jackson was the last coaching hire of Davis, the iconic Raiders owner who died in early October at age 82. And his dismissal is now the first move made by McKenzie, the respected former Green Bay personnel executive who promises to bring some sense of sanity, accountability and a more traditional mode of NFL operations to Oakland.

I haven't even heard his introductory press conference yet, but I like what I've seen from McKenzie so far.

As a head coach, I thought Jackson was a fraud, and the kind of guy who had no qualms maneuvering behind the back of former Raiders head coach Tom Cable, even while he was serving as Cable's offensive coordinator in 2010. Jackson talked colorfully and confidently, and was masterful at the art of self-promotion and the cultivation of media members. But he kind of showed his true self in that damaging season-wrap-up press conference he gave the day after his Raiders melted down at home against San Diego in Week 17, costing themselves the AFC West title and Oakland's first playoff berth since 2002.

Jackson went on a tirade, repeatedly speaking of how "pissed'' he was at his team for the loss, shirking any meaningful effort to take responsibility for the season-defining defeat, and basically throwing his defensive coaching staff under the bus in the process. Remarkably tone deaf when he needed an acute sense of his own vulnerability and lack of accountability, Jackson vowed to "take a stronger hand in this whole organization,'' to ensure that the same underachieving scenario never unfolded again for his Raiders, who started the year 7-4 but lost four of their final five games to record their ninth consecutive non-winning season.

Nice try, Hue. Instead of more authority, Jackson got shown the door. And that in and of itself is reason for hope in Oakland. McKenzie, a former Raiders linebacker in the 1980s, comes to town after serving 18 years in the Green Bay front office. He knows what a successful NFL team looks like, and how one operates. And most importantly, he knows how an NFL head coach should think, sound and conduct himself. I'm pretty sure Jackson went 0-for-3 on that front.

Jackson has already spouted off to a local Bay Area media outlet in the wake of his firing, saying McKenzie "is going to gut this place,'' adding that the Raiders' new GM "wants to bring in his own guys. No job is safe right now.''
News flash: That's typically how it works when an NFL franchise hires a new general manager. He gets the right to bring in his own head coach, and his own people, and to "gut'' the place if necessary. Just because Oakland was the exception to the rule of how NFL teams operated during Davis' long and often bizarre fiefdom -- at least in the final decade of his life -- doesn't mean Jackson passes for credible when he tries to make the normal sound like the aberration.

thunderkyss
01-10-2012, 05:25 PM
Good opinion article about Jackson's firing. Sounds like a guy you don't want coaching your team.

Nice try, Hue (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/01/10/hue.jackson.firing/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp). Instead of more authority, Jackson got shown the door. And that in and of itself is reason for hope in Oakland. McKenzie, a former Raiders linebacker in the 1980s, comes to town after serving 18 years in the Green Bay front office. He knows what a successful NFL team looks like, and how one operates. And most importantly, he knows how an NFL head coach should think, sound and conduct himself. I'm pretty sure Jackson went 0-for-3 on that front.

I think this was what happened when Kubiak got here. He realized how screwed up things were & McNair let him reform the organization. I'm glad he did, but I believe it is the primary reason it took so long. Had McNair got a GM first, who knew what was what, then we could have got a HC who could concentrate on building a team.

texanhead08
01-10-2012, 09:55 PM
I guess its safe to say Hue Jackson would never say its on me after a loss.

Goldensilence
01-10-2012, 11:33 PM
They are probably going to hire a big name coach.

If your child acts up in public it is the parents lack of disclipines.

If you team breaks an NFL recored for penalties it is the Head Coaches fault for lack of disclipine.

Nowadays, coaching for the Raiders is coaching suicide!

Pretty much. The way Al Davis ran things made it even more coaching suicide to go there than to go coach under Jerry Jones.

This could change with an actual GM in place. The team needs a disciplinarian and I guess Davis tried to achieve that in his own way, but instead hired a bunch of hot head coaches instead.

All things aside the team has a ton of talent and if they could get a HC who can bring it all together they will win the AFC West next year handily.

I think its a stretch that they'll be able to bring in a big name coach, but I can see them actually bringing in the first viable HC since Gruden left. The job does become more attractive to out of house candidates since they have a real GM now.

NitroGSXR
01-10-2012, 11:35 PM
Right now the name you're hearing the most is Winston Moss who's a LB Coach with the Packers (as well as being Asst. Head Coach).

And what irks me about this is that they would have to wait until after Green Bay gets eliminated before they can interview him. I don't know if Green Bay said that or if its a result of NFL rules. I would like to know.

beerlover
01-10-2012, 11:44 PM
Jackson seemed like a class act. Maybe that doesn't fit in Oakland :roast:

ChampionTexan
01-10-2012, 11:54 PM
And what irks me about this is that they would have to wait until after Green Bay gets eliminated before they can interview him. I don't know if Green Bay said that or if its a result of NFL rules. I would like to know.

Here's an article that's a week or so old, and specifically relates to the Bucs search (although it's actually before Wade's name got brought up).

I can't swear that the writer knows his stuff, but it fits with what's been happening, and it differentiates the rules between teams with a bye week, and those who played on Wild Card Weekend.

Here's the parts I think you're probably most interested in:
Should the Bucs have an interest in talking to Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey, for example, they will have to wait until after the Falcons play in this week's wild card playoff game to do so.

Even then, their opportunity for contact may be limited. If the Falcons advance to the next round of the playoffs, the Bucs would have only the week between the wild card game and the divisional playoff round to speak with Mularkey.
The rules are different, however, for prospective head coaches working for a team that has a bye this week.

Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin, for instance, could interview with the Bucs this week. Once the wild card games are over, though, Philbin would be off limits until the Packers are eliminated from the playoffs or the Super Bowl has been played.
LINK (http://www2.tbo.com/sports/breaking-news/2012/jan/03/1/bucs-must-follow-rules-when-interviewing-coaching--ar-343228/)

thunderkyss
01-11-2012, 05:56 AM
This could change with an actual GM in place. The team needs a disciplinarian and I guess Davis tried to achieve that in his own way, but instead hired a bunch of hot head coaches instead.


I thought the Raiders turn-around started 2 years ago with Tom Cable. He was a disciplinarian... even punched his own coaches. But I thought he did a great job of getting rid of that "just-pay-me" attitude in Oakland & got them "expecting" to win.

They (Al Davis) fired him after just one year, because he didn't want to lose Hugh Jackson.

I was surprised they fired Cable..... surprised they fired Jackson... surprised most people think they are still headed in the right direction.

thunderkyss
01-11-2012, 05:57 AM
And what irks me about this is that they would have to wait until after Green Bay gets eliminated before they can interview him. I don't know if Green Bay said that or if its a result of NFL rules. I would like to know.

It would be nice to know.... Tampa Bay isn't waiting until Wade is finished.

But I think McKenzie already has his mind made up, he already knows Moss..... so why go through the motions & "distract" Moss?

TexanSam
01-11-2012, 09:52 AM
I thought the Raiders turn-around started 2 years ago with Tom Cable. He was a disciplinarian... even punched his own coaches. But I thought he did a great job of getting rid of that "just-pay-me" attitude in Oakland & got them "expecting" to win.

They (Al Davis) fired him after just one year, because he didn't want to lose Hugh Jackson.

I was surprised they fired Cable..... surprised they fired Jackson... surprised most people think they are still headed in the right direction.

I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to Reggie McKenzie. It's probably the first time in decades that the Raiders have a GM in place who's allowed to do what's needed for the organization. Can't blame him for wanting his own coach, especially after Hue Jackson said he's going to take a bigger role in the organization. Sounded like he was trying to go behind McKenzie's back.

I think they're finally starting to go in the right direction, assuming McKenzie is competent.

thunderkyss
01-11-2012, 01:33 PM
I know the Raiders have a much longer history than we do, but wouldn't you get tired of all the Raiders & friends of Raiders that are, & have been, put in "control" of that organization?

McKenzie is also not going to do a thorough search for a new Head Coach, he already has his mind made up on the LB coach from GreenBay. A friend of a friend...

TexansBull
01-13-2012, 05:48 PM
I know the Raiders have a much longer history than we do, but wouldn't you get tired of all the Raiders & friends of Raiders that are, & have been, put in "control" of that organization?

McKenzie is also not going to do a thorough search for a new Head Coach, he already has his mind made up on the LB coach from GreenBay. A friend of a friend...

Jason LaConfora is reportong Dom Capers is a canidate. Maybe it will be the best canidate out of Green Bay.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ot-in-oakland/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/12/dom-capers-could-get-another-coaching-shot-in-oakland/)

brakos82
01-13-2012, 06:18 PM
Jason LaConfora is reportong Dom Capers is a canidate. Maybe it will be the best canidate out of Green Bay.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ot-in-oakland/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/12/dom-capers-could-get-another-coaching-shot-in-oakland/)

:spit:

NastyNate
01-14-2012, 09:12 PM
I thought the Raiders turn-around started 2 years ago with Tom Cable. He was a disciplinarian... even punched his own coaches. But I thought he did a great job of getting rid of that "just-pay-me" attitude in Oakland & got them "expecting" to win.

They (Al Davis) fired him after just one year, because he didn't want to lose Hugh Jackson.

I was surprised they fired Cable..... surprised they fired Jackson... surprised most people think they are still headed in the right direction.

I really thought Cable was the beginning of something positive for the Raiders organization. Could absolutely not believe he was fired after one year with a team showing true promise and a lot of upside. Tis Al Davis though, either win the superbowl your first year or you're fired!

ChampionTexan
01-14-2012, 09:57 PM
I really thought Cable was the beginning of something positive for the Raiders organization. Could absolutely not believe he was fired after one year with a team showing true promise and a lot of upside. Tis Al Davis though, either win the superbowl your first year or you're fired!

Cable coached 44 games for the Raiders. He took over after four games of Kiffen's second season, and went 4-8 the rest of the way, then went 5-11 and 8-8 the next two seasons for an overall Head coaching record of 17-27. He had the longest coaching tenure in Oakland of anyone since Gruden.

NastyNate
01-14-2012, 11:00 PM
Cable coached 44 games for the Raiders. He took over after four games of Kiffen's second season, and went 4-8 the rest of the way, then went 5-11 and 8-8 the next two seasons for an overall Head coaching record of 17-27. He had the longest coaching tenure in Oakland of anyone since Gruden.

For some reason I thought he only had 1 full season after taking over for Lane, I forgot the 5-11 year though. Guess it shows how much I keep up with the Raiders.