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roooshi
01-09-2012, 12:46 PM
:gotexans1

Brandon420tx
01-09-2012, 12:47 PM
Dwight Jones WR North Carolina

Perki-Perk
01-09-2012, 12:49 PM
Doesn't it still go by record, or is the Super Bowl winner automatically last?

Ole Miss Texan
01-09-2012, 12:58 PM
Doesn't it still go by record, or is the Super Bowl winner automatically last?

The Super Bowl winner is 32 and Super Bowl loser is 31.

The losers of the Conference Championship games select 29 and 30 based on record.

The losers of the Divisional playoff games select 25 -28 based record.

The losers of the Wild Card games select 21 - 24 based on record.

Teams that missed the the playoffs select 1 - 20 with worse record going first.

This assumes all 32 teams are eligible for a 1st round pick.

Errant Hothy
01-09-2012, 01:00 PM
Per wiki, and yes it's right this time:
Teams that reached the playoffs the previous season are then slotted in the order in which they were eliminated as indicated in the table below. Within each tier, the slotting is determined as above (i.e. worst record picks first and the same tiebreakers apply).[57]

Non-playoff teams 1–20 (slotted by record)
Eliminated in Wild Card round 21–24
Eliminated in Divisional round 25–28
Eliminated in Conference Championships 29–30
Super Bowl losing team 31
Super Bowl champion 32

steelbtexan
01-09-2012, 01:01 PM
I hope they end up drafting these 3 of these 4 players even if they have to trade up to get them.

OL- Cordy Glenn, Brandon Washington.

DL - Josh Chapman

WR- Jordan White.

Texan4Ever
01-09-2012, 01:36 PM
Anyone of these players would do: Alshon Jeffery (WR), Peter Konz (C), or Alfonzo Dennard (CB).

Wolf6151
01-09-2012, 01:39 PM
I hope they end up drafting these 3 of these 4 players even if they have to trade up to get them.

OL- Cordy Glenn, Brandon Washington.

DL - Josh Chapman

WR- Mohamed Sanu.

Fixed it for you. LOL I agree completely.

Ole Miss Texan
01-09-2012, 04:26 PM
I did a poor job this season following the draft eligible players. Position-wise, I'm leaning towards the following (in no particular order):

OG/OT - I'm not entirely pleased with our pass pro on the right.
WR - Would love a studly #2 that soaks up knowledge from AJ.
CB - If a stud CB/DB is there, why not.
NT - I like Cody/Mitchell but if we can find the next Duane Brown at the NT position I'd like it.

As of now, I don't really think we have a DEFINITE NEED. I think there are areas where we can improve but I don't think we have a true legit weakness like we have in the past. I'm a firm believer in taking the best players available and getting the best talent for your team. That draft mindset paid off this season with all the injuries and new guys needing to step up.

Playoffs
01-09-2012, 04:38 PM
bpa

mussop
01-10-2012, 01:54 AM
Wolfe (JJ Watt clone)
Kuechly ( reminds me of zack Thomas )
Worthy ( a bigger Antonio Smith)
Those are my late first guys that you don't hear about much but are going to shoot up the draft board at the combine.

Dutchrudder
01-10-2012, 02:08 AM
I think it all comes down to how Free Agency goes for us. We could potentially lose Myers, Brisiel and Mario, any of which will drastically change our needs. If Mario walks, OLB will need some depth, if we lose either olinemen we need to fill that hole ASAP. Once we know that we can really key in on who to pick. At this point I would go WRin the first assuming we retain those free agents.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-10-2012, 03:25 AM
Anyone of these players would do: Alshon Jeffery (WR), Peter Konz (C), or Alfonzo Dennard (CB).

Alshon Jeffery sounds good to me.

Go Texans!!!

Wolf6151
01-10-2012, 03:51 AM
Wolfe (JJ Watt clone)
Kuechly ( reminds me of zack Thomas )
Worthy ( a bigger Antonio Smith)
Those are my late first guys that you don't hear about much but are going to shoot up the draft board at the combine.

Worthy would be a great pick for our 1 gap NT system. I wouldn't mind Brandon Thompson either, very similar to Worthy.

Wolf6151
01-10-2012, 03:52 AM
Anyone of these players would do: Alshon Jeffery (WR), Peter Konz (C), or Alfonzo Dennard (CB).

Jeffery and Dennard will both be gone by the time we pick, Konz is a possibility but most likely gone as well.

PapaL
01-10-2012, 07:11 AM
Peyton Manning, QB

Can't beat 'em, join 'em

Insideop
01-10-2012, 09:08 AM
Wolfe (JJ Watt clone)
Kuechly ( reminds me of zack Thomas )
Worthy ( a bigger Antonio Smith)
Those are my late first guys that you don't hear about much but are going to shoot up the draft board at the combine.

I'd love to get Kuechly but he will be long gone by the time we pick somewhere between 25 and 32, and I hope it's 32 :). Wolfe is flying under the radar right now but that will probably change after the Combine and Pro-Days. I'd love to get him too. He's listed as 6'5" and 302 lbs and has a "relentless motor." I think he would be a great fit at NT for us and let Mitchell slide over to DE and spot Smith and Watt.

Right now Wolfe is rated as a 2nd rounder but is climbing up the draft boards. The Texans would probably have to take him with their 1st pick because he won't be there for them in the 2nd. I just don't know if they will go defense in the 1st again with their need at WR. Smith/Kubes like to draft BPA at a position of need in the 1st. Brown and Cushing come to mind. A lot will depend on if Wade comes back as DC again and how much they want to draft on defense. I have a feeling this draft they go more heavily on offense since last year they focused on defense. JMO.

leebigeztx
01-14-2012, 02:50 AM
I like jeffery 1st if hes there. If he's gone, the dt from washington.

gary
01-14-2012, 11:23 AM
I would pay Brisiel and Myers because they are both good enough for the zone blocking scheme JMHO.

beerlover
01-14-2012, 01:21 PM
You heard it here first. Would mean Texans let Mario become a free agent, so they can re-sign Arian Foster to a multi-year million dollar contract.


Billy Winn
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2aW8YOeaQfw/TK3kRBH-PpI/AAAAAAAABS0/SweHVMKrJzM/s1600/BillyWinnQuoteblog.jpg

Lucky
01-15-2012, 09:52 PM
Based upon today's results, the Texans will have the 26th selection in every round.

Brandon420tx
01-15-2012, 10:04 PM
Still perfect Dwight Jones territory imo.

/broken record

WolverineFan
01-15-2012, 10:25 PM
Depends on what we do with our FA's before the draft. If we re-sign Mario, I would not use the 1st rounder on the front 7. If we re-sign Myers, we don't need to take a lineman in the 1st either. I would go WR if we re-sign both those guys.

If we don't re-sign Mario, I would take a rush LB early, but still not in the 1st. If we don't re-sign Myers I would take an interior lineman in the 1st or 2nd round. Peter Konz is an option here in the 1st. I still think we should go WR regardless, but we could take one in the 2nd.

Alshon Jeffrey - WR, South Carolina
Kendall Wright - WR, Baylor
Peter Konz - C, Wisconsin
Billy Winn - DE, Boise State
Jerel Worthy - DT/DE, Michigan State
Mohamed Sanu - WR, Rutgers

steelbtexan
01-15-2012, 10:26 PM
Trade up 1st, 3rd, 6th

1. Alshon Jeffries
2. Cliff Harris
4. Chris Gallipso
5. Eric Page
7. Baptiste

steelbtexan
01-15-2012, 10:28 PM
Still perfect Dwight Jones territory imo.

/broken record

Yes it is.

Love Jones/Jordan White

WolverineFan
01-15-2012, 10:32 PM
Jordan White is my sleeper pick at WR this year. I'm a fan of Jones, but he could be had in the 2nd IMO.

And no way in hell I touch Cliff Harris. There are some guys who are not worth the headache regardless of talent. He's one of them.

Honoring Earl 34
01-15-2012, 10:32 PM
Trade up 1st, 3rd, 6th

1. Alshon Jeffries
2. Cliff Harris
4. Chris Gallipso
5. Eric Page
7. Baptiste

That Jefferies is supposed to be a feast or famine type .

steelbtexan
01-15-2012, 10:35 PM
I'm a risk taker.

If you miss he wont be worse than Jacoby.

If you hit, you get Boldin with better speed.

Risk/Reward

steelbtexan
01-15-2012, 10:48 PM
Jordan White is my sleeper pick at WR this year. I'm a fan of Jones, but he could be had in the 2nd IMO.

And no way in hell I touch Cliff Harris. There are some guys who are not worth the headache regardless of talent. He's one of them.

Tell me more about Harris?

Speeding tickets ? What 23 yr old hasn't driven too fast?

Smoking pot? LOL

Wolf6151
01-16-2012, 12:00 AM
Dwight Jones WR North Carolina

^^^^This^^^^

steelbtexan
01-16-2012, 12:47 AM
^^^^This^^^^

You're Jonesing LOL

Great pick

My guy is Jordan White

1st Jones
3rd White

WR problem solved

Corrosion
01-16-2012, 12:57 AM
We'll have FA prior to the draft this year .... No lockout so things go back to normal.

What they do in the draft is predicated by what they do in FA with their own players as well as shoring up WR and possibly RG.


I really wonder what they do with MW .... and how they get Foster taken care of. I could see a couple cuts freeing up a bit of space .... Leinart and J.Jones as I said weeks ago , that free's up ~$6m.

Gotta answer those questions before we can really guess where they go in the draft.

thunderkyss
01-16-2012, 01:26 AM
You heard it here first. Would mean Texans let Mario become a free agent, so they can re-sign Arian Foster to a multi-year million dollar contract.


Billy Winn
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2aW8YOeaQfw/TK3kRBH-PpI/AAAAAAAABS0/SweHVMKrJzM/s1600/BillyWinnQuoteblog.jpg

Think about it guys...... don't sign Mario, this becomes our top priority.

Forget about that sexy WR..... forget about that dominant OG....

Think DL....... again.

thunderkyss
01-16-2012, 01:28 AM
Depends on what we do with our FA's before the draft. If we re-sign Mario, I would not use the 1st rounder on the front 7. If we re-sign Myers, we don't need to take a lineman in the 1st either. I would go WR if we re-sign both those guys.

Alshon Jeffrey - WR, South Carolina
Kendall Wright - WR, Baylor
Peter Konz - C, Wisconsin
Billy Winn - DE, Boise State
Jerel Worthy - DT/DE, Michigan State
Mohamed Sanu - WR, Rutgers

You also have to take into account the depth of the Draft. If we can get a WR in the second just as good as the guy we get at 26, but the only way we get a stud OG is to pull the trigger.... I want that OG.

Wolf6151
01-16-2012, 02:27 AM
You're Jonesing LOL

Great pick

My guy is Jordan White

1st Jones
3rd White

WR problem solved

I prefer Jones but wouldn't have any problems with Mohamed Sanu either in the 1st, both are quality receivers likely to be around when we pick.

Wolf6151
01-16-2012, 02:33 AM
You also have to take into account the depth of the Draft. If we can get a WR in the second just as good as the guy we get at 26, but the only way we get a stud OG is to pull the trigger.... I want that OG.

It depends on how many of the top WR's are left on the board at the time and how many of the top OG's are left as well, but I agree with this sentiment.

1. Cordy Glen-OG
2. Marvin McNutt-WR or Tommy Streeter-WR

or

1. Dwight Jones-WR
2. Kevin Zeitler-OG

rmartin65
01-16-2012, 08:49 AM
Tell me more about Harris?

Speeding tickets ? What 23 yr old hasn't driven too fast?

Smoking pot? LOL

Cliff Harris is a CB in the mold of Deon Sanders.

An extraordinary talent, both at CB and at returner. He can blanket a man step for step with his elite agility, speed and acceleration, and can intercept passes with little difficulty.

However, he is like Sanders in the fact that he is not a willing tackler. And even when he does go in for the tackle, it is a very weak with poor form. As with other players who focus on getting interceptions, I have noticed that he sometimes gets caught looking in the backfield. He can be beat on double moves, PA, etc.

In terms of off the field issues, Harris was booted from the team due to accumulating multiple offenses throughout his career. The general pattern seems to be driving too fast (and not wearing a seat belt, and being uninsured), and marijuana.

In short, I still take him, so long as it is 4th round or lower. 4th round picks rarely amount to anything, and considering the Texans' needs, Harris is worth chancing a pick on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zx5a6DKnoo

dryans4prez
01-16-2012, 12:01 PM
No doubt in my mind that we will pick Mohamed Sanu with the 26th overall pick. He is 6-3, amazing hands, and loves to block down field. If he has a great 40 time at the combine we might miss out on him but other than that he is perfect along side AJ. With all that said the best part he is a classy guy who is very intelligent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_1BrMqZpyw

Blake
01-16-2012, 12:18 PM
Kendall Wright, WR/KR, Baylor

WR2 and our new punt returner.

wolf123
01-16-2012, 01:31 PM
Kendall Wright, WR/KR, Baylor

WR2 and our new punt returner.

This time a million!!! I doubt he falls to us, but I've seen every one of his games and he's absolutely uncoverable.. Will test through the roof at the combine and would be perfect for us.

nero THE zero
01-16-2012, 02:13 PM
Kendall Wright, WR/KR, Baylor

WR2 and our new punt returner.

Guys like Sigmund Bloom and LZ have been saying that some teams do/will have Wright ahead of Blackmon on their boards. Lots can change between now and then, but it's not looking likely that he will be available anywhere near where we pick.

Dutchrudder
01-16-2012, 02:19 PM
I want Alshon Jeffery in the 1st to be our #2 and Eric Page in the 5th to be our slot WR/PR.

Page is a late round gem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnvQXzpGPng

gary
01-16-2012, 03:05 PM
I would draft another shutdown CB and maybe two receivers.

Honoring Earl 34
01-16-2012, 03:36 PM
1. If David DeCastro fell because he was a guard , I'd pick him .

2. Kendall Wright ... proven WR and an explosive weapon .

I guess Jones or Sanu if these guys aren't there .

badboy
01-16-2012, 04:09 PM
1. If David DeCastro fell because he was a guard , I'd pick him .

2. Kendall Wright ... proven WR and an explosive weapon .

I guess Jones or Sanu if these guys aren't there .like this

Corrosion
01-16-2012, 04:09 PM
1. If David DeCastro fell because he was a guard , I'd pick him .

2. Kendall Wright ... proven WR and an explosive weapon .

I guess Jones or Sanu if these guys aren't there .

I'd be tempted to take Kevin Zeitler at 26 if one of the following WR's wasnt available - K.Wright , Dwight Jones or Alshon Jeffery.
I know some might think its a reach but he's the #2 OG on the board and projected to go no later than the top of round two.

A lot depends upon what they do in FA .... with MW and the WR position.

Errant Hothy
01-16-2012, 04:12 PM
I would draft another shutdown CB and maybe two receivers.

Way easier said then done, especially from the 26th spot.

On another note, I'd rather go after a WR in rounds 2 or 3. If Mario goes depth will be needed at OLB and if by some miracle Upshaw gets past the Steelers I'd take him over any of the WRs of CBs who might still be on the board.

Honoring Earl 34
01-16-2012, 05:02 PM
I'd be tempted to take Kevin Zeitler at 26 if one of the following WR's wasnt available - K.Wright , Dwight Jones or Alshon Jeffery.
I know some might think its a reach but he's the #2 OG on the board and projected to go no later than the top of round two.

A lot depends upon what they do in FA .... with MW and the WR position.

So you like Zeitler better than Decastro ? I think Brown , Myer , and Winston are really good . Briesel is not bad but the other two guys not so much . You get a top notch guard and it insures your running game . The Texans made to the 2nd round with a 3rd string QB because of the OL and Foster .

The Pats and Saints have proven your offensive weapons can come in the 6'6 variety . I would look to get more mismatches in the passing game .

Corrosion
01-16-2012, 05:16 PM
Way easier said then done, especially from the 26th spot.

On another note, I'd rather go after a WR in rounds 2 or 3. If Mario goes depth will be needed at OLB and if by some miracle Upshaw gets past the Steelers I'd take him over any of the WRs of CBs who might still be on the board.

That would be a miracle .... He might be gone in the top dozen picks.

badboy
01-16-2012, 05:24 PM
That would be a miracle .... He might be gone in the top dozen picks.Agree but I have heard that Steelers might select Poe or Ta'amu

Corrosion
01-16-2012, 05:30 PM
So you like Zeitler better than Decastro ? I think Brown , Myer , and Winston are really good . Briesel is not bad but the other two guys not so much . You get a top notch guard and it insures your running game . The Texans made to the 2nd round with a 3rd string QB because of the OL and Foster .

The Pats and Saints have proven your offensive weapons can come in the 6'6 variety . I would look to get more mismatches in the passing game .

No .... But I dont think DeCastro makes it past the 20th pick .... But if he was there at 26 I take him and dont look back - Zeitler is clearly the #2 behind him at OG in this draft.

Just saying that if the choice were between Zeitler and the second tier WR prospects I could take Zeitler over them and be happy with the pick.

Doppelganger
01-16-2012, 05:56 PM
You heard it here first. Would mean Texans let Mario become a free agent, so they can re-sign Arian Foster to a multi-year million dollar contract.


Billy Winn
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2aW8YOeaQfw/TK3kRBH-PpI/AAAAAAAABS0/SweHVMKrJzM/s1600/BillyWinnQuoteblog.jpg

Sorry BL. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87204

Doppelganger
01-16-2012, 06:01 PM
1. If David DeCastro fell because he was a guard , I'd pick him .

2. Kendall Wright ... proven WR and an explosive weapon .

I guess Jones or Sanu if these guys aren't there .

Sorry, but not gonna happen. Castro is the second coming of Steve Hutchinson. I expect him to be taken around 12-15.

beerlover
01-16-2012, 08:13 PM
Sorry, but not gonna happen. Castro is the second coming of Steve Hutchinson. I expect him to be taken around 12-15.

Maybe Top 10

pirbroke
01-16-2012, 08:31 PM
why in the world or people even suggesting a guard. Remember we got Shelley Smith and Kasey on the IR this year. I thought everybody was excited about Shelley. And the line was outstanding this year. If a good WR is their for the taking then do it in the first. And I know I am probably going to get neg rep for saying this, but if some TE is sitting their like what the Pats have, I would take him also.

Honoring Earl 34
01-16-2012, 08:35 PM
why in the world or people even suggesting a guard. Remember we got Shelley Smith and Kasey on the IR this year. I thought everybody was excited about Shelley. And the line was outstanding this year. If a good WR is their for the taking then do it in the first. And I know I am probably going to get neg rep for saying this, but if some TE is sitting their like what the Pats have, I would take him also.

If a 9.25 guard is there would you take a 7 WR ?

beerlover
01-16-2012, 08:38 PM
If a 9.25 guard is there would you take a 7 WR ?

I think you may need to explain the grading system :barman:

pirbroke
01-16-2012, 09:07 PM
If a 9.25 guard is there would you take a 7 WR ?
I had to walk away, the freaking captain ran aground again. Back to sports. that's a good question but I doubt the numbers will be that separated in the same round, but if it is, errr I would say the guard if it's that much. I do believe in the best available player approach somewhat, but needs must be found somehow. This is the problem you have in the draft when your team becomes good, when your bad you need everything, but as you improve your needs go down and you start to only look at a few positions and let better players go undrafted. It's a tough balancing act but a nice problem to have.

Honoring Earl 34
01-16-2012, 09:14 PM
I had to walk away, the freaking captain ran aground again. Back to sports. that's a good question but I doubt the numbers will be that separated in the same round, but if it is, errr I would say the guard if it's that much. I do believe in the best available player approach somewhat, but needs must be found somehow. This is the problem you have in the draft when your team becomes good, when your bad you need everything, but as you improve your needs go down and you start to only look at a few positions and let better players go undrafted. It's a tough balancing act but a nice problem to have.

I think the G position is in need of depth or an upgrade . The offense needs weapons bad and it could be a TE , slot , or whatever they need mismatches .

thunderkyss
01-16-2012, 09:17 PM
why in the world or people even suggesting a guard. Remember we got Shelley Smith and Kasey on the IR this year. I thought everybody was excited about Shelley. And the line was outstanding this year. If a good WR is their for the taking then do it in the first. And I know I am probably going to get neg rep for saying this, but if some TE is sitting their like what the Pats have, I would take him also.

If you're not getting better, you're getting worse. The OL did wonderful this year, but we can & need to get better there. Wade Smith looked very good in 2010, not so much in 2011.

Mike Brisiel... warrior. But if other teams are going to play straight up on Chris Myers, we need someone to get to that second level & take out the MLB.... it's got to be one of the guards.

I'd like to upgrade the Center position, but it ain't going to happen.

I want more 1st & 2nd rounders on offense. WR, TE, OL

TE, I'm not so worried about. The two we got stretch the field & own the middle of the field. They're not the best blocking TEs, but since our WRs block better than most, it's a wash.

pirbroke
01-16-2012, 09:20 PM
they need mismatches .

thats it, we have one great mismatch in the passing game.

Lucky
01-16-2012, 09:52 PM
why in the world or people even suggesting a guard. Remember we got Shelley Smith and Kasey on the IR this year. I thought everybody was excited about Shelley.
Shelly has never played significant time in this league. Studdard is scrappy, but horrible. Caldwell hasn't developed. This team needs another interior lineman to groom. Whether it be in the 1st, or later rounds.

The 26th pick over the Texan years:

2011 - (KC) - Jonathan Baldwin -WR - Pitt
2010 - (ARZ) - Dan Williams - DT - Tennessee
2009 - (GB) - Clay Matthews - OLB - Southern Cal
2008 - (HOU) - Duane Brown - T - Virginia Tech
2007 - (DAL) - Anthony Spencer - OLB - Purdue
2006 - (BUF) - John McCargo - DT - NC State
2005 - (SEA) - Chris Spencer - C - Ole Miss
2004 - (CIN) - Chris Perry - RB - Michigan
2003 - (SF) - Kwame Harris - T - Stanford
2002 - (PHI) - Lito Seppard - CB - Florida

A mixed bag of outstanding, to good, to so-so, to busts. Typical of any draft spot. Other notable 26th selections:

1998 - (PIT) - Alan Faneca - G - LSU
1996 - (BAL) - Ray Lewis - MLB - Miami
1987 - (CHI) - Jim Harbaugh - QB - Michigan

Looking back (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=1936&year_max=2011&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=26&slot_max=26&league_id=&team_id=&pos=ALL&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all), it's been a pick where you pickup a blocker or tackler.

Honoring Earl 34
01-16-2012, 10:19 PM
they need mismatches .

thats it, we have one great mismatch in the passing game.

How about Ladarius Green, TE in the 4th or 5th ? How about one of the Razorback blazers that are 5'10 but run a 4.3 ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIY2E556BdY

ArlingtonTexan
01-16-2012, 11:00 PM
Shelly has never played significant time in this league. Studdard is scrappy, but horrible. Caldwell hasn't developed. This team needs another interior lineman to groom. Whether it be in the 1st, or later rounds.

The 26th pick over the Texan years:

2011 - (KC) - Jonathan Baldwin -WR - Pitt
2010 - (ARZ) - Dan Williams - DT - Tennessee
2009 - (GB) - Clay Matthews - OLB - Southern Cal
2008 - (HOU) - Duane Brown - T - Virginia Tech
2007 - (DAL) - Anthony Spencer - OLB - Purdue
2006 - (BUF) - John McCargo - DT - NC State
2005 - (SEA) - Chris Spencer - C - Ole Miss
2004 - (CIN) - Chris Perry - RB - Michigan
2003 - (SF) - Kwame Harris - T - Stanford
2002 - (PHI) - Lito Seppard - CB - Florida

A mixed bag of outstanding, to good, to so-so, to busts. Typical of any draft spot. Other notable 26th selections:

1998 - (PIT) - Alan Faneca - G - LSU
1996 - (BAL) - Ray Lewis - MLB - Miami
1987 - (CHI) - Jim Harbaugh - QB - Michigan

Looking back (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=1936&year_max=2011&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=26&slot_max=26&league_id=&team_id=&pos=ALL&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all), it's been a pick where you pickup a blocker or tackler.

yeah, most the better picks here look like a situation where a team took a higher graded player at interior line versus maybe a more needed or usual first round position.

Texecutioner
01-16-2012, 11:03 PM
Hopefully we lean heavy on defense in the draft again and continue to get O lineman to protect Foster and the QB.

We can get upgrades at WR in free agency.

steelbtexan
01-16-2012, 11:27 PM
Hopefully we lean heavy on defense in the draft again and continue to get O lineman to protect Foster and the QB.

We can get upgrades at WR in free agency.

This is the way I would go.

But there will be WR's that would also be massive upgrades that could be drafted in rds 4-6.

Adding a difference maker in FA and a fast slot WR later in the draft would be the way to go. IMHO

Dutchrudder
01-16-2012, 11:33 PM
In 2009 Hakeem nicks and Kenny Britt at picks 29 and 30. Both solid WRs so we could get a guy like that at 26. Jeffery, Floyd, Sanu or Jones should be there.

BigBull17
01-17-2012, 08:55 AM
Depends on what we do with our FA's before the draft. If we re-sign Mario, I would not use the 1st rounder on the front 7. If we re-sign Myers, we don't need to take a lineman in the 1st either. I would go WR if we re-sign both those guys.

If we don't re-sign Mario, I would take a rush LB early, but still not in the 1st. If we don't re-sign Myers I would take an interior lineman in the 1st or 2nd round. Peter Konz is an option here in the 1st. I still think we should go WR regardless, but we could take one in the 2nd.

Alshon Jeffrey - WR, South Carolina
Kendall Wright - WR, Baylor
Peter Konz - C, Wisconsin
Billy Winn - DE, Boise State
Jerel Worthy - DT/DE, Michigan State
Mohamed Sanu - WR, Rutgers

I think ive asked before, but what is the name of the girl on your avatar?

MojoMan
01-17-2012, 09:28 AM
Hopefully we lean heavy on defense in the draft again and continue to get O lineman to protect Foster and the QB.

We can get upgrades at WR in free agency.

Right on.

The only truly critical need that the Texans have is a true go-to #2 WR. The Texans will be active in free agency again this year. Remember how the Texans addressed critical needs with the acquisition of Jonathan Joseph and Danieal Manning? This year I would expect the primary focus to be on getting a top flight WR to line up with Andre Johnson.

With the expansion of the salary cap and the Texans impressive showing in their first playoff run, it is likely that certain top free agents will want to come here now more than they have in prior years. The Texans front office will not be so stupid as to start breaking the bank by loading up indiscriminately with these sorts of players, but, considering the circumstances, one or two this off-season is a real possibility.

Then the Texans will go into the draft with no "critical" holes to fill. At the #26 pick, the team will want to draft someone who can start right away and really help the team, like JJ Watt. Everyone may recall that DE was not what most fans were hoping for in the first round of the draft last year, but that was clearly the right pick. So maybe this year it is a WR, but then again maybe it is a guard, or a NT or a safety, or even an OLB. It depends on who is available at that time.

A first round guard that turned out to be a pro bowler for the next 10 years or so would be a great pick at #26.

The1ApplePie
01-17-2012, 11:03 AM
WR is the most glaring hole the Texans have but I wouldn't be mad at an OLB/DE or a CB if they fell.

If the Texans are forced to franchise and trade Mario, that would certainly open up the board.

The team is in a position to actually take some risks on project players in later rounds now, maybe we can land a raw Jimmy Graham like TE to groom for a year.

steelbtexan
01-17-2012, 11:05 AM
This is the way the Pats, Steelers,Ravens etc... have stayed contenders throughout the yrs.

They just keep adding talent by going BPA. If they have a hole that needs to be filled and they see a great player drop into the mid teens/low 20's they will trade up and pick him. In addition to filling 1/2 holes in FA every yr.

It sure feels great that the Texans wont have to be reaching to fill needs like the KJ pick anymore.

Honoring Earl 34
01-17-2012, 11:09 AM
WR is the most glaring hole the Texans have but I wouldn't be mad at an OLB/DE or a CB if they fell.

If the Texans are forced to franchise and trade Mario, that would certainly open up the board.

The team is in a position to actually take some risks on project players in later rounds now, maybe we can land a raw Jimmy Graham like TE to groom for a year.

I think the Saints took Graham in the 3rd the year after they won the super bowl . I think they need to upgrade the athletism at the skill positions . The Saints and Pats proved a mismatch can come from anywhere .

Rey
01-17-2012, 11:18 AM
Last year we had to take manning and joseph in free agency to make up for years of not drafting good secondary players. We also didn't have any big name free agents of our own to sign. I think we will re sign mario and arian and those will be our big free agent acquisitions. I'd rather build through the draft at this point. Its cheaper and it allows you to maintain some of your own guys. Therefore, I'd go wr in early in the draft.

beerlover
01-17-2012, 12:05 PM
Last year we had to take manning and joseph in free agency to make up for years of not drafting good secondary players. We also didn't have any big name free agents of our own to sign. I think we will re sign mario and arian and those will be our big free agent acquisitions. I'd rather build through the draft at this point. Its cheaper and it allows you to maintain some of your own guys. Therefore, I'd go wr in early in the draft.

the big 3 will be long gone (Blackmon, Floyd & Jeffery) Wright is in the ballpark but think he too will be off the board already, leaving Dwight Jones (who I have mocked for this very same reason) & Mohamed Sanu (who I had mocked even earlier) but given the underclassman coming out adding a wealth of talent, in my mind it pushes these players back into the second round. So using a first round pick on second round graded player because of need is not such a no brainer. If I could add another stud pass rusher (can never have too many) then a comparable WR later in the 2nd that would seem to me like your at least keeping up with rest of the pack, in terms of talent. Texans are not the only team trying to improve every year, this past season it was a combination of talent, coaching & smart, aggressive free agency acquisition. Expect more of the same. They will target at least one top flight WR in free agency too! I don't see for instance, the Saints ability to keep both Colston & Meachem. Brees, Franklin, Nicks & Tracy Porter are all free agents.

Rey
01-17-2012, 12:26 PM
I didn't specify first round. I just said early in the draft which to me is in the first three rounds. I don't see us drafting a wr and getting one in free agency. I think kubiak stashed lestar for a reason. I think its fun to say get rid of jacoby, but I think hell be back. Kubiak said as much although you just never know. If someone highly rated fell to us I'd take them. Unlless it was a qb then I'd trade back. Istuff is going to change as more info comes in and then there will be surprises on draft day.

beerlover
01-17-2012, 12:52 PM
I didn't specify first round. I just said early in the draft which to me is in the first three rounds. I don't see us drafting a wr and getting one in free agency. I think kubiak stashed lestar for a reason. I think its fun to say get rid of jacoby, but I think hell be back. Kubiak said as much although you just never know. If someone highly rated fell to us I'd take them. Unlless it was a qb then I'd trade back. Istuff is going to change as more info comes in and then there will be surprises on draft day.

Then everybody is saying take a WR early :barman: heck if there is the right one (BPA) in each of the first three rounds take em all :)

ATXtexanfan
01-18-2012, 10:16 AM
Hopefully we lean heavy on defense in the draft again and continue to get O lineman to protect Foster and the QB.

We can get upgrades at WR in free agency.

hopefully we will have money to spend on a wr after resigning our guys. our wr core needs to be rebuilt and using a first rounder on one would be nice. even if we sign free agent wrs drafting the second or third best wr would be good move. bpa is always a good move as well

Blake
01-18-2012, 12:19 PM
Guys like Sigmund Bloom and LZ have been saying that some teams do/will have Wright ahead of Blackmon on their boards. Lots can change between now and then, but it's not looking likely that he will be available anywhere near where we pick.

Yeah its tough to predict where every team has a player rated. But we should have a shot at a good WR.

Am I the only one who likes Nick Toon in a trade down scenario? Or 2nd round trade up?

thunderkyss
01-18-2012, 06:10 PM
hopefully we will have money to spend on a wr after resigning our guys. our wr core needs to be rebuilt and using a first rounder on one would be nice. even if we sign free agent wrs drafting the second or third best wr would be good move. bpa is always a good move as well

After watching Brady route the Broncos (not a terrible defense) with Gronk & Hernandez, I dont know that we should reach on a WR in the draft or overspend on one in FA.

We need to resign Dressen & hope Kubiak sharpens his pencil while designing plays.

Goldensilence
01-18-2012, 07:39 PM
After watching Brady route the Broncos (not a terrible defense) with Gronk & Hernandez, I dont know that we should reach on a WR in the draft or overspend on one in FA.

We need to resign Dressen & hope Kubiak sharpens his pencil while designing plays.

I like Dressen and OD's abilities to find holes in the defense and catch just about damn near everything thrown their way. They're just never going to create the kind of mismatches that Gronk and Hernandez do naturally. I think hoping that they will is a exercise in futility. After having Drafted Graham, this is just the physical mold Kubiak is looking for at TE.

If we're not going to be able to create those kind of mismatches at TE we do need to look at options outside. Whether is a DeSean Jackson type like Wright or a bigger guy like Sanu it doesn't matter to me. IF this offense wants to go to the next level they need to take one guy in this draft that can do that.

thunderkyss
01-18-2012, 10:45 PM
I like Dressen and OD's abilities to find holes in the defense and catch just about damn near everything thrown their way. They're just never going to create the kind of mismatches that Gronk and Hernandez do naturally. I think hoping that they will is a exercise in futility. After having Drafted Graham, this is just the physical mold Kubiak is looking for at TE.

If we're not going to be able to create those kind of mismatches at TE we do need to look at options outside. Whether is a DeSean Jackson type like Wright or a bigger guy like Sanu it doesn't matter to me. IF this offense wants to go to the next level they need to take one guy in this draft that can do that.

With the ability to line up Dressen, OD, & Casey on every down, it would be a nightmare trying to figure out who is releasing & who is blocking.

dalemurphy
01-19-2012, 07:51 AM
the big 3 will be long gone (Blackmon, Floyd & Jeffery) Wright is in the ballpark but think he too will be off the board already, leaving Dwight Jones (who I have mocked for this very same reason) & Mohamed Sanu (who I had mocked even earlier) but given the underclassman coming out adding a wealth of talent, in my mind it pushes these players back into the second round. So using a first round pick on second round graded player because of need is not such a no brainer. If I could add another stud pass rusher (can never have too many) then a comparable WR later in the 2nd that would seem to me like your at least keeping up with rest of the pack, in terms of talent. Texans are not the only team trying to improve every year, this past season it was a combination of talent, coaching & smart, aggressive free agency acquisition. Expect more of the same. They will target at least one top flight WR in free agency too! I don't see for instance, the Saints ability to keep both Colston & Meachem. Brees, Franklin, Nicks & Tracy Porter are all free agents.


First of all, I think Robert Meachem is the perfect fit for this team and I hope they make a hard run at him.

Second, this is the year where I think it is likely the Texans attempt a significant trade up. Looking over the roster (accounting for the returning I.R. players and assuming some of the FAs like Dreessen and Myers return) there will be precious few roster spots up for grabs (2-4). The Texans will have very limited needs and will likely address one or two of them in FA. Furthermore, high 1st round picks are much better value under the new collective bargaining. Don't be surprised to see us jump up to 13 or 14 to grab a guy we have targeted.

Here's a rough look at our (likely) returning roster:

Qb: Schaub, Leinart, Yates
Rb: Foster, Tate, Vickers
Wr: AJ, JJ, KW, Ljean?
TE: OD, Casey, Dreessen?, Graham
OL: Myers?, DBrown, Winston, Brisiel?, WSmith, Caldwell, SSmith, Butler, Newton,

DL: Watt, ASmith, Jamison, Cody, Mitchell
LB: Sharpton, DRyans, Dobbins?, Cushing, Barwin, Reed, Braman
CB: Jackson, Joseph, McCain, McManis, Harris, Carmichael
S: Manning, Quin, Nolan, Demps?, Barber?

LS: Weeks
P: Hart
K: ??

Assuming a Free agent kicker, that's 49 roster spots, assuming we let guys like Mario, DWard, B.Johnson, Bulman, etc... all go. The days are over where 4th and 5th round picks are likely to make the active roster, or even the team, apart from the practice squad.

thunderkyss
01-19-2012, 10:28 AM
Second, this is the year where I think it is likely the Texans attempt a significant trade up. Looking over the roster (accounting for the returning I.R. players and assuming some of the FAs like Dreessen and Myers return) there will be precious few roster spots up for grabs (2-4). The Texans will have very limited needs and will likely address one or two of them in FA. Furthermore, high 1st round picks are much better value under the new collective bargaining. Don't be surprised to see us jump up to 13 or 14 to grab a guy we have targeted.


If this is true, if the Texans feel the same way. I would think this year, because of the situation we are in, we would be more apt to trade away our picks for future picks.

We need to start stockpiling draft picks to provide the capital to move up in the draft & make some of those "daring" draft day moves.

Dread-Head
01-19-2012, 12:25 PM
An under rated receiver. AJ needs some help. A receiving equivalent of Arian Foster whom we'll love for both his stellar play and his love for both the game and it's fans.

beerlover
01-19-2012, 12:59 PM
An under rated receiver. AJ needs some help. A receiving equivalent of Arian Foster whom we'll love for both his stellar play and his love for both the game and it's fans.

Amen :handshake:

dalemurphy
01-19-2012, 11:07 PM
If this is true, if the Texans feel the same way. I would think this year, because of the situation we are in, we would be more apt to trade away our picks for future picks.

We need to start stockpiling draft picks to provide the capital to move up in the draft & make some of those "daring" draft day moves.

That is a possibility. However, I think it is unlikely a team without almost no playoff success in its history would spend those resources planning for the future. After an AFC Championship or a Superbowl I think those moves are more likely. Still, it could happen. And, I would love to see 2nd round picks traded for 1st round picks. LOVE THOSE DEALS!

Corrosion
01-20-2012, 10:09 PM
If this is true, if the Texans feel the same way. I would think this year, because of the situation we are in, we would be more apt to trade away our picks for future picks.

We need to start stockpiling draft picks to provide the capital to move up in the draft & make some of those "daring" draft day moves.

To add to this line of thinking - This coming season they will have limited cap space even to resign their own FA's much less add a significant amount for an addition unless of course they can A) sign MW to a very cap friendly deal or B) he goes elsewhere.

MW counted $17m and change against the cap last season. They have to get that number down in the 8-10 range .... He'd likely sign the franchise tender of ~$23m in a heartbeat. That's a big chunk of cap space taken up by a guy who's been lost to season ending injuries in back to back years that would really hamper any attempts to upgrade the roster with other FA moves.

They could backload a contract for MW since the cap is expected to escalate significantly in 2013 and beyond. I really think this is the only way to keep MW and have space to maneuver in FA this offseason.

Demeco's cap hit will be near $7.9m with the prorated signing bonus and incentives. I think they have to restructure that deal and get it down in the neighborhood of ~$5m.


Leinart and Jacoby I think get cut shaving about $6m from the cap.

The above likely allows them to resign those FA's that are important parts of the team in Foster , Myers and Briesel and possibly upgrade WR in FA.

What you are looking at is ~47ish roster spots occupied not including Rackers (I think he needs to be replaced) before factoring in draft picks or free agents.

That probably gives them the freedom to move down or out of the first round in this coming draft to stockpile early picks in a future draft.

WolverineFan
01-21-2012, 01:08 AM
Wouldn't mind seeing us trade back and get a 1st next year when one of these teams tries to draft a guy like Tannehill in the 1st round.

I'm really hoping Tannehill falls to us and we can trade back and get an extra pick for next year and still get a guy like Sanu or Dwight Jones.

Probably won't happen tho because some idiot GM will trade up and take him Top 15.

beerlover
01-21-2012, 01:21 AM
Wouldn't mind seeing us trade back and get a 1st next year when one of these teams tries to draft a guy like Tannehill in the 1st round.

I'm really hoping Tannehill falls to us and we can trade back and get an extra pick for next year and still get a guy like Sanu or Dwight Jones.

Probably won't happen tho because some idiot GM will trade up and take him Top 15.

Texans already did something similar to that when they traded back with Baltimore who took Flaco & Texans later took Brown. Worked out well for both teams I would say.

Rey
01-21-2012, 12:42 PM
The last mock I did I had us trading out of the first round and picking up Sanu or Wright at the top of the second (I don't think 5 WR's will go in the first round)...

ObsiWan
01-21-2012, 01:34 PM
Wouldn't mind seeing us trade back and get a 1st next year when one of these teams tries to draft a guy like Tannehill in the 1st round.

I'm really hoping Tannehill falls to us and we can trade back and get an extra pick for next year and still get a guy like Sanu or Dwight Jones.

Probably won't happen tho because some idiot GM will trade up and take him Top 15.

We can dream can't we. That would be an ideal situation for us.

I'm really going over to the train of thought that says parley this year's 1st rd pick into extra picks (either this year or next). Makes little sense to me to grab a 1st rounder only to have him be a backup.

If there's a guy @ #26 that fits one of our needs and is the BPA, then, yeah, we pull the trigger. But if there are BPAs that better fit other teams' needs, then let's see how much we can extract from them for that pick.

Brandon420tx
01-22-2012, 03:01 PM
Early 2nd to early 4th is stacked with good players who will fit our team. I would be ecstatic if the FO got as many picks in that range as they could

rickyb
01-22-2012, 03:19 PM
Shelly has never played significant time in this league. Studdard is scrappy, but horrible. Caldwell hasn't developed. This team needs another interior lineman to groom. Whether it be in the 1st, or later rounds.



^^^^
This.

rickyb
01-22-2012, 03:22 PM
I like to think that folks like Demeco would be willing to restructure in order to free up cap room. This team is on the cusp of greatness.

Goldensilence
01-22-2012, 11:20 PM
Wouldn't mind seeing us trade back and get a 1st next year when one of these teams tries to draft a guy like Tannehill in the 1st round.

I'm really hoping Tannehill falls to us and we can trade back and get an extra pick for next year and still get a guy like Sanu or Dwight Jones.

Probably won't happen tho because some idiot GM will trade up and take him Top 15.

With his foot broken I think it's going to be hard for Tannehill to raise his stock predraft. As of right now looks like he'll be healthy in time for a pro day.

I have a feeling Tannehill is going to be this year's Ryan Mallet.

Corrosion
01-22-2012, 11:48 PM
Hopefully we lean heavy on defense in the draft again and continue to get O lineman to protect Foster and the QB.

We can get upgrades at WR in free agency.

This is the way I would go.

But there will be WR's that would also be massive upgrades that could be drafted in rds 4-6.

Adding a difference maker in FA and a fast slot WR later in the draft would be the way to go. IMHO

This really depends upon what they do in FA , especially with MW.

I dont see his cap number being close to what it was this season under any circumstances - It was ~$17m this season. If they can get that number down around ~$8m this season they can take care of Foster , Briesel and Myers .... Im not so sure what they would have left after that to spend in FA. Rest assured it wouldnt be a hell of a lot .... and they would still have to fit draft picks under the cap.


If any of the trio of Foster , Myers or Briesel is not resigned those positions have to be addressed one way or another (I expect all three back)....


If they let MW walk .... they have significant cap space to operate with but it definately leaves a need for another guy to get after the QB. As well as Reed and Barwin played after MW went down , you have Braman and Nading as depth behind them in that scenario. I definately wouldnt be comfortable with that going into a season. Injuries are a part of football .... You have to be prepared for them.

Right now WR is probably the top position of need , but that could change and we could be looking for a multitude of postions.

Corrosion
01-22-2012, 11:52 PM
I like to think that folks like Demeco would be willing to restructure in order to free up cap room. This team is on the cusp of greatness.

I think they almost have to restructure his deal .... He'll be eating up about $8m in cap space with the pro-rated signing bonus , salary and incentives. As much as I like Ryans ..... that number is just too big.


I expect to see Jacoby Jones and Leinart cut because of the cap ....


If you think this year is a difficult one in terms of the salary cap .... Just wait until next year when they have a multitude of players reaching the end of their deals.

VTexan
01-24-2012, 03:15 AM
If Blackmon, Jeffery, Floyd aren't there. Wait and snag Broyles in the second. He fits our slot receiving need perfectly. (Think about a receiver that can run crisp routes under Andre Johnson and grabbing first down after first down). And he is a proven performed (all 4 years in OU)!

Wolf6151
01-24-2012, 04:54 AM
If Blackmon, Jeffery, Floyd aren't there. Wait and snag Broyles in the second. He fits our slot receiving need perfectly. (Think about a receiver that can run crisp routes under Andre Johnson and grabbing first down after first down). And he is a proven performed (all 4 years in OU)!

Broyles tore his ACL during the season and most likely won't be available for any of the post season Bowls, Combine, or Pro Day events. I think his stock will fall because this is a very deep WR class full of guys that are healthy. Someone will probably get a bargain on Broyles in the later rounds.

Honoring Earl 34
01-24-2012, 09:56 AM
This week , I think that there will be no WR worth the 26th pick . So I'm thinking that Mario goes , leaving two good OLBs . What if one gets hurt ? Hmmm .... maybe you fortify the defense with a better choice at OLB than WR .

How about another strong suit the OL . They are set at 3 positions assuming they resign Myers but the guards are getting older and Caldwell is iffy .

I'd also try to look for speed and length . Why ... cause Matt wouldn't do Mike Wallace much good after 40 yards but he can put it in a place where a guy could use his size .

bah007
01-24-2012, 10:33 AM
I like Sanu enough to take him at #26. The guy would be a great #2 WR with the potential to take over #1 when Andre is done.

beerlover
01-24-2012, 10:45 AM
I like Sanu enough to take him at #26. The guy would be a great #2 WR with the potential to take over #1 when Andre is done.

seriously.

he is raw, should have stayed in school or transferred to a different program to develop his potential. I think he is a reach in the first. Texans would have to be patient & fan base expects to win now, tough situation for whoever they select #26 especially someone coming without exposure to a pro style offense.

Blake
01-27-2012, 11:46 AM
Justin Blackmon Oklahoma St.
Kendall Wright Baylor
Alshon Jeffery South Carolina
Michael Floyd Notre Dame
Mohamed Sanu Rutgers

Still early, but I think any of these 5 would be a good selection in round 1. Doubtful, but if you miss out on all 5 I think you need to go in a different direction.

El Tejano
01-27-2012, 12:15 PM
Justin Blackmon Oklahoma St.
Kendall Wright Baylor
Alshon Jeffery South Carolina
Michael Floyd Notre Dame
Mohamed Sanu Rutgers

Still early, but I think any of these 5 would be a good selection in round 1. Doubtful, but if you miss out on all 5 I think you need to go in a different direction.

I liked him too. Although I'm concerned with speed and not being able to stretch the field. Kind of sounds like another KW type. However if he is able to get away from defenders in small space that might be all we need in our WCO.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2749

1bigfan13
02-03-2012, 09:20 PM
I'd like to see us take Kendall Wright. I love his deep speed and he's shown the ability to catch the ball in traffic. He made some plays last season that reminded me of Carolina's Steve Smith.

I hope we steer clear of Alshon Jeffery. I get a USC Mike Williams vibe from him. Big WR who is too slow to create separation from NFL caliber CBs.

dalemurphy
02-04-2012, 10:03 AM
I'm fairly convinced the Texans will be looking to trade up this year. If teams are still working from the old draft chart, the Texans can move up to about pick #20 by packaging their 3rd round pick. They can move up to #15 or so with their second round pick.

Looking at their roster, goals, and needs, I think we will exit free agency and head to the draft with no immediate needs (maybe one) and only 3-4 roster spots available. Therefore, I expect them to identify their guys and make rather extraordinary efforts to get them in this draft.... And, this is coming from the guy that ALWAYS wants a trade down.

Brandon420tx
02-04-2012, 08:56 PM
I really hope not. There should be sufficient talent at our spots in Rounds 1-3 to fill WR, interior OL, and DE Depth. The rounds afterwards can provide us with a 4th RB, a KR, another WR (probably the KR), a CB(hoping for Keith Tandy), ILB depth, and safety depth.
In fact, there is so much talent in the 2nd and 3rd that will fit the Texans that I'm hoping they trade back to get extra picks there. I wouldn't mind if they traded up again using our later later picks though just so we don't have too many rookies.
Even if we lose Mario Williams, I outlined who would fit for the Texans in this thread here http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89136 Bottom post

TimeKiller
02-07-2012, 08:41 AM
How about Fletcher Cox in the 1st round? The Texans generally draft an elite defensive athlete in the 1st. Williams, beast. Okoye, for his failings was a superior athlete. Cushing, a very highly trained athlete....Jackson is very physical despite his lack of deep cover speed. Watt, a mountain on legs. Cox is an experienced, durable and productive SEC DT/DE would be perfect for Wade's 1-gap. Uses strength and short area quickness to shed blockers and eliminate ball carriers. Drags down ball carriers easily, very strong guy. Said to be a naturally large man who could carry an addtional 10 pounds easily, putting him around 6'2'' 310. Limited pass rusher but a step ahead of Cody. No real moves but seems to have a natural instinct for it. Relies on his strength too much. Very Antonio like, fast enough to play as a DE but not agile enough to get around the corner. Up the middle his speed is a plus and his strength as a run stopper is enhanced.

Maddict5
02-10-2012, 05:44 AM
How about Fletcher Cox in the 1st round? The Texans generally draft an elite defensive athlete in the 1st. Williams, beast. Okoye, for his failings was a superior athlete. Cushing, a very highly trained athlete....Jackson is very physical despite his lack of deep cover speed. Watt, a mountain on legs. Cox is an experienced, durable and productive SEC DT/DE would be perfect for Wade's 1-gap. Uses strength and short area quickness to shed blockers and eliminate ball carriers. Drags down ball carriers easily, very strong guy. Said to be a naturally large man who could carry an addtional 10 pounds easily, putting him around 6'2'' 310. Limited pass rusher but a step ahead of Cody. No real moves but seems to have a natural instinct for it. Relies on his strength too much. Very Antonio like, fast enough to play as a DE but not agile enough to get around the corner. Up the middle his speed is a plus and his strength as a run stopper is enhanced.

dont know the guy but doesnt sound like a difference maker so it seems like a waste of a first rounder. You can get guys like that later.. esp when he sounds like hed be a bankup/rotational DE/DT here

TimeKiller
02-10-2012, 08:50 AM
dont know the guy but doesnt sound like a difference maker so it seems like a waste of a first rounder. You can get guys like that later.. esp when he sounds like hed be a bankup/rotational DE/DT here

Perhaps you should do a little more reading before putting him off. Big, fast, strong SEC defenders who still have upside don't go in later rounds.

beerlover
02-11-2012, 11:34 AM
How about Fletcher Cox in the 1st round? The Texans generally draft an elite defensive athlete in the 1st. Williams, beast. Okoye, for his failings was a superior athlete. Cushing, a very highly trained athlete....Jackson is very physical despite his lack of deep cover speed. Watt, a mountain on legs. Cox is an experienced, durable and productive SEC DT/DE would be perfect for Wade's 1-gap. Uses strength and short area quickness to shed blockers and eliminate ball carriers. Drags down ball carriers easily, very strong guy. Said to be a naturally large man who could carry an addtional 10 pounds easily, putting him around 6'2'' 310. Limited pass rusher but a step ahead of Cody. No real moves but seems to have a natural instinct for it. Relies on his strength too much. Very Antonio like, fast enough to play as a DE but not agile enough to get around the corner. Up the middle his speed is a plus and his strength as a run stopper is enhanced.

How about that, I actually agree with you. Fletcher could kick inside & become Wade Phillips next Jay Ratliff. talk about a solid front three holly crapola :wild: worst case scenario, he would keep guys fresh also provide depth @ DE providing insurance in case of injury. If Texans can resign Mario to a cap friendly deal Fletcher would give Texans possibly the best young DL in the NFL. Unless the Wright receiver is there @ #26 I would love this pick :toast2:

Texan4Ever
02-11-2012, 12:37 PM
How about best player available? Who cares if that happens to be an offensive linemen, defensive linemen, linebacker, or whatever! Chances are we would probably need him anyways, even if it is for depth purposes.

beerlover
02-11-2012, 12:39 PM
How about best player available? Who cares if that happens to be an offensive linemen, defensive linemen, linebacker, or whatever! Chances are we would probably need him anyways, even if it is for depth purposes.

I agree with that. I think Fletcher Cox is in that discussion (ranked #20 BPA) as well.

Texan4Ever
02-11-2012, 12:44 PM
I agree with that. I think Fletcher Cox is in that discussion (BPA) as well.

I'm looking at him as well as Billy Winn, as both guys are versatile linemen who can play the DE spot in a 3-4 and slide to the nose tackle position. Will be on the lookout for both of these players at the combine.

beerlover
02-11-2012, 12:47 PM
I'm looking at him as well as Billy Winn, as both guys are versatile linemen who can play the DE spot in a 3-4 and slide to the nose tackle position. Will be on the lookout for both of these players at the combine.

Got you. Billy Winn was very disappointing to me @ the Senior Bowl. He was pushed around pretty easily, lacked the strength & size I expected. Also reports that he looked as such supported some fear that the guys is not a hard worker, at least in the weight room. I took him off my board & replaced him with Wolfe.

Honoring Earl 34
02-11-2012, 01:52 PM
How about best player available? Who cares if that happens to be an offensive linemen, defensive linemen, linebacker, or whatever! Chances are we would probably need him anyways, even if it is for depth purposes.

I agree with that. I think Fletcher Cox is in that discussion (BPA) as well.

I think that's the best argument against just writing in a WR . A potential major cog is much better than a so so player that's a need .

badboy
02-11-2012, 02:48 PM
How about best player available? Who cares if that happens to be an offensive linemen, defensive linemen, linebacker, or whatever! Chances are we would probably need him anyways, even if it is for depth purposes.Trent Richardson RB is there do you draft him? No. Mike Adams OT is there, no.

We have needs not necessarily starters that we need players for. Most agree our two highest priorities are OG and WR. You can fill both thise in first two rounds, why would you draft BPA? Not talking if RG3 dropped or Claiborne.

thunderkyss
02-11-2012, 03:40 PM
Trent Richardson RB is there do you draft him? No. Mike Adams OT is there, no.


Well wait a minute...

If Mike Adams grades out to be a better OT than Brown or Winston... I just might do it, if that moves one of the two inside to LG.

Unless (like I've been saying) there are extenuating circumstances that explains Wade Smith's drop in play & we can reasonably expect him to return to form in 2012.

Judging by the way he played vs Cincinnati & Baltimore, that may very well be the case..... but I don't know.

Is it time for him to move on, like Eugene Wilson which our staff realized 1 season too late.

& that, I think hurt us more than Pollards inability to cover or Kj's greenness. but that's just me.

TimeKiller
02-15-2012, 10:11 PM
How about that, I actually agree with you. Fletcher could kick inside & become Wade Phillips next Jay Ratliff. talk about a solid front three holly crapola :wild: worst case scenario, he would keep guys fresh also provide depth @ DE providing insurance in case of injury. If Texans can resign Mario to a cap friendly deal Fletcher would give Texans possibly the best young DL in the NFL. Unless the Wright receiver is there @ #26 I would love this pick :toast2:

Geezzz....finally lol Improve the outside rush by improving the inside rush, very zen. Smith and Cody are getting older and he could also move Mitchell to backup JJ, where I believe HE would excel.

If Janoris Jenkins is around....what say you? Improve rush by improved coverage. Zen Master.

edo783
02-16-2012, 01:37 AM
Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the 1 & 2 nd picks expected to be starters/in the starting rotation type of players?

thunderkyss
02-16-2012, 05:03 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the 1 & 2 nd picks expected to be starters/in the starting rotation type of players?

It all depends on the team. The better the team, the less likely the draft picks will start, especially early in the season. Neither Barwin or Brooks started right away. But Demeco did.

badboy
02-16-2012, 05:10 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the 1 & 2 nd picks expected to be starters/in the starting rotation type of players?

Good news edo is Texans are gettin better.I still say draft to cover weaknesses no matter how strong but the players available #26 and after just don't scream starter to me. I don't see anyone beating out JJ but he might be cut anyway. If Wright is there he could. Wade Smith is biggest ? to me as we don't know why he fell off so much. If it was an undisclosed injury, he could be back. So we draft who we can and see what happens. WR & OG are my 2 priorites.

dalemurphy
02-17-2012, 07:00 AM
Good news edo is Texans are gettin better.I still say draft to cover weaknesses no matter how strong but the players available #26 and after just don't scream starter to me. I don't see anyone beating out JJ but he might be cut anyway. If Wright is there he could. Wade Smith is biggest ? to me as we don't know why he fell off so much. If it was an undisclosed injury, he could be back. So we draft who we can and see what happens. WR & OG are my 2 priorites.

Shelley Smith

badboy
02-17-2012, 10:37 AM
Shelley SmithI've seen nothing of this Smith to indicate he is an answer to anything but keeping the bench warm.

beerlover
02-17-2012, 11:26 AM
WR with enough speed, playmaker ability & route tree development (Wright) or Pro-Bowl quality potential 3-4 defensive fit (Cox).

Insideop
02-17-2012, 06:01 PM
I've seen nothing of this Smith to indicate he is an answer to anything but keeping the bench warm.

It's hard to see when he's on IR the whole year. I don't know if he's the answer at OG, but I think they will give him a shot this coming season. Now, will that stop them from drafting another OG or C this year? I don't think it will. Will they put as high a priority on the position (OG) that you do? :thinking:

dalemurphy
02-17-2012, 06:12 PM
I've seen nothing of this Smith to indicate he is an answer to anything but keeping the bench warm.

Now you have: (left guard, number 71)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T1uTSklLK4&feature=endscreen&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbgQ0ezDIyA&NR=1&feature=endscreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLtxMzOxuYE&feature=endscreen&NR=1

thunderkyss
02-17-2012, 08:20 PM
Shelley Smith

I can honestly say I forgot all about Shelly Smith. If the Texans feel good about him then I won't have much to say about not addressing the position early in the draft or FA.

Many a Denver lineman were unhearlded back in the day. Denver was as good at developing linemen as they were running backs. We've been running this system long enough to have a good stock of linemen to start plugging away. However, Caldwell didn't look as good as he should have considering how long he's been here & the amount of playing time he has had.

badboy
02-17-2012, 09:27 PM
It's hard to see when he's on IR the whole year. I don't know if he's the answer at OG, but I think they will give him a shot this coming season. Now, will that stop them from drafting another OG or C this year? I don't think it will. Will they put as high a priority on the position (OG) that you do? :thinking:Yes, he was Ir'd but we enter the season knowing little about him than what we knew when he was drafted. yes, he'll get a shot but we need more than that backing up our Gs. If Briesel & Myers are re-signed & I think they will, we still need to target one high as we have no backup plan. If Wade Smith recovers from whatever effected him, we still need a guard. Team knows more about W Smith than I and if we don't draft one high; tells me they think whatever was wrong can be corrected and a G could be drafted or back up FA be signed. We were ver fortunate our many starts our Oline had. Who was our tackle back up? Butler was IR'd also ane we went with a low round draft choice. Playoff hopeful teams don't do that. We have chance this off season to take another huge leap forward.

badboy
02-17-2012, 09:32 PM
I can honestly say I forgot all about Shelly Smith. If the Texans feel good about him then I won't have much to say about not addressing the position early in the draft or FA.

Many a Denver lineman were unhearlded back in the day. Denver was as good at developing linemen as they were running backs. We've been running this system long enough to have a good stock of linemen to start plugging away. However, Caldwell didn't look as good as he should have considering how long he's been here & the amount of playing time he has had.Question to you & DM, do we go into TC depending on Shelley? I say no.

dalemurphy
02-17-2012, 10:22 PM
Question to you & DM, do we go into TC depending on Shelley? I say no.

Not as a starter. However, my prediction is that we enter the draft with the following interior linemen signed:

Chris Myers
Biscuit Brisiel
Wade Smith
Antoine Caldwell
Shelley Smith

I feel very good about that group of five. Individually, there are issues with most of them. However, literally all five of them have experience at guard and center. They all fit the system and have good athleticism. I see no need to spend significant and limited resources at this position.

I love Shelley Smith and think he will be a stud. But, I also realize how little information that is based on. If he enters the preseason as our 8th lineman, though, I feel very good about the depth of a unit that excelled in 2011.

badboy
02-17-2012, 10:32 PM
Not as a starter. However, my prediction is that we enter the draft with the following interior linemen signed:

Chris Myers
Biscuit Brisiel
Wade Smith
Antoine Caldwell
Shelley Smith

I feel very good about that group of five. Individually, there are issues with most of them. However, literally all five of them have experience at guard and center. They all fit the system and have good athleticism. I see no need to spend significant and limited resources at this position.

I love Shelley Smith and think he will be a stud. But, I also realize how little information that is based on. If he enters the preseason as our 8th lineman, though, I feel very good about the depth of a unit that excelled in 2011.Caldwell has disappointed most of us and I suspect you are correct on Shelley but just really cringe on depending on him and Caldwell. I think Wade Smith is the key as I stated. If management knows he was hurt & think he will be back, that's good enough for me. IMO we have to sign a good OG draft or free agency.

thunderkyss
02-18-2012, 05:32 AM
Question to you & DM, do we go into TC depending on Shelley? I say no.

depending on Shelley for what? To provide depth at the OG position?

Of course not, that's why we've got Anthony Thomas & Andre Caldwell on the roster.

Insideop
02-18-2012, 08:00 PM
depending on Shelley for what? To provide depth at the OG position?

Of course not, that's why we've got Anthony Thomas & Andre Caldwell on the roster.

Who are they? Did they pickup some new linemen I don't know about? :thinking:

ArlingtonTexan
02-18-2012, 08:06 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the 1 & 2 nd picks expected to be starters/in the starting rotation type of players?

Eventually, but on good teams rookies wil not be automatically starting day one w/o proving himself.

thunderkyss
02-18-2012, 08:11 PM
Who are they? Did they pickup some new linemen I don't know about? :thinking:

I have no excuse, don't know how that happened. Thomas Austin & Antoine Caldwell.


I think

Insideop
02-19-2012, 06:02 AM
I have no excuse, don't know how that happened. Thomas Austin & Antoine Caldwell.


I think

Gotcha! :fingergun:

Corrosion
02-20-2012, 06:31 AM
Not as a starter. However, my prediction is that we enter the draft with the following interior linemen signed:

Chris Myers
Biscuit Brisiel
Wade Smith
Antoine Caldwell
Shelley Smith

I feel very good about that group of five. Individually, there are issues with most of them. However, literally all five of them have experience at guard and center. They all fit the system and have good athleticism. I see no need to spend significant and limited resources at this position.

I love Shelley Smith and think he will be a stud. But, I also realize how little information that is based on. If he enters the preseason as our 8th lineman, though, I feel very good about the depth of a unit that excelled in 2011.


Im very high on Shelley Smith as well .... He may very well take Wade Smith's job this season.

Considering they lost Briesel for parts of the season as well as their swing tackle in Butler along with Darius , Smith and Studdard to IR at various parts of the season , I think the unit played well overall.

Yhey have quality depth on the interior OL .... Unless one of the top prospects lands in their lap , I cant see them taking an OG or C.

A lot depends upon free agency tho .... as Myers and Briesel are free agents who should both be resigned.


My bet is a first round WR or DB if they stand pat at #26.