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Grid
05-02-2005, 12:37 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8437701


Im sure he will soldiah on.

Reddevil63
05-02-2005, 12:48 PM
Isnt stuff like that a big no-no when you sign a NFL contract?

Blake
05-02-2005, 12:50 PM
I hope he can still play. I really want to see what Romeo can do with Winslow, and Edwards.

Rosusu
05-02-2005, 12:55 PM
Isnt stuff like that a big no-no when you sign a NFL contract?

It depends on who is agent is. I am guessing it wasnt in his contract because it wasnt mentioned in the article. Otherwise he can lose some money.

F-minus67
05-02-2005, 01:22 PM
At the rate he is going he may never see playing time again, he is turning in to another wasted 1st round pick from the Butch Davis era.

Texan Dave
05-02-2005, 01:47 PM
I hope the guy is ok, seems to be a little careless, riding without his helmet straped on.

Rosusu
05-02-2005, 02:17 PM
I hope the guy is ok, seems to be a little careless, riding without his helmet straped on.

He's a SOLDJAH! No helmet be holding this guy back. That motorcycle is trying to take him down and he is going to take it down first!

(i hope hes ok)

gcolby
05-02-2005, 02:58 PM
Winslow's head is so big, I'm surprised he could get it on over his ego, much less get the strap fastened.

Fiddy
05-02-2005, 03:12 PM
Didnt he learn anything from Jay Williams?

StarStruck
05-02-2005, 03:59 PM
Didnt he learn anything from Jay Williams?

I thought about the same thing.

keyfro
05-02-2005, 04:02 PM
if he can't play another season for the browns their organization will continue to go down

DRIFTAWAY
05-02-2005, 04:21 PM
hope the best for him

YodAa
05-02-2005, 04:28 PM
Man I just want to see what this guy has to offer because on Madden he kicks booty but looks like we may never see what he has if he has more injuries.

Youngstown Colt
05-02-2005, 04:56 PM
if he can't play another season for the browns their organization will continue to go downWhy? The tight end position was actually the deepest and most productive on the team last year.

Blake
05-02-2005, 05:20 PM
Why? The tight end position was actually the deepest and most productive on the team last year.

Well if he is hurt, losing your start-to-be TE doesnt help your team. I think Romeo can get this franchise headed in the right direction. I still think this will be a rough year for them. This season kinda depends on their Defense.

rittenhouserobz
05-02-2005, 05:53 PM
KW2 is not very smart. He should be thinking of his team first. Maybe they should hire a team representative to follow him around. :) I hope he is alright.

texasguy346
05-02-2005, 09:05 PM
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/CD10305022250.jpeg

The picture doesn't look too good. Hopefully he faired better than his bike.

tacoman_j
05-02-2005, 11:56 PM
I know that Winslow breached his contract like Jeff Kent two years ago, yet I hope that the Browns do not act in trying to recover cash. That would truly be classless. They don't need to recoup his signing bonus.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

WINSLOW TO LOSE MORE THAN $9 MILLION?

Setting aside for now the question of whether Browns tight end Kellen Winslow should have been riding a motorcycle as he still rehabs from a broken leg that scuttled his 2004 rookie season (and prevented him from earning a big-money bonus payment by failing to participate in 30 percent of the team's offensive snaps), we've gotten a look-see at Winslow's contract, which indicates that he shouldn't have been riding a motorcycle at all. Ever. Period.

As a general matter, Winslow has breached Paragraph 3 of his contract, which prevents him from "engag[ing] in any activity other than football which may involve a significant risk of personal injury."

And this breach could have significant consequences. Winslow's motorcycling allows the team (if it so chooses) to recover $5 million of his initial signing bonus and the full $4.4125 million of his option bonus triggered at the outset of the 2005 league year, $2.4125 million of which won't actually be paid to Winslow until July 15.

So the total potential price tag on Winslow's deliberate failure to comply with the terms of his contract is a whopping $9.4125 million.

Blake
05-03-2005, 12:02 AM
I would do it. Set an example, and get some money back to have more wiggle room. Besides, its not like Romeo drafted the guy.

keyfro
05-03-2005, 01:12 AM
i'll tell you why it'll hurt the team badly...because he was their 1st round pick in 04...because your first round picks should be the main building blocks of your franchise...they passed on several other players and even traded up a spot to get him in the draft...if you make a move like that to get a player that player better be worth it...and so far they've gotten just about nothing in return for their investment...just like their other 1st round picks...tim couch, courtney brown, gernald warren, and kevin winslow jr...what a waste of talent...i hope braylon edwards starts a positive trend for romeo

Youngstown Colt
05-03-2005, 01:43 AM
i'll tell you why it'll hurt the team badly...because he was their 1st round pick in 04...because your first round picks should be the main building blocks of your franchise...they passed on several other players and even traded up a spot to get him in the draft...if you make a move like that to get a player that player better be worth it...and so far they've gotten just about nothing in return for their investment...just like their other 1st round picks...tim couch, courtney brown, gernald warren, and kevin winslow jr...what a waste of talent...i hope braylon edwards starts a positive trend for romeoHE was part of the old browns, so anything he can add to the team now is just a bonus. Romeo swept out the trash from the old regime, and is giving KW2 a tryout period.

Do I want him lining up at TE for the browns (I am also a browns fan)? Yes, but if he ends up being another butch davis 1st round bust, it's just not suprising anymore.

Youngstown Colt
05-03-2005, 01:51 AM
What has Kellen Winslow done that he deserves to keep any of the money he was given? If this was a classy player, I wouldn't do it, but truth be told, he's just not. I have a problem with the Yankee's voiding Aaron Boone's contract when he could have lied to them and still be owed his money.

Why pay someone $9 mil to put on your hat at draft day?

RiotCommander
05-03-2005, 02:00 AM
I say make an example of him. He is still a rookie in my eyes. What has he done on the field to earn an exemption? Pffft! I think thus far he is all hype.

edo783
05-03-2005, 08:09 AM
In the words of Master Yoda, "Mmmm, the force of the Dumb*ss is strong in this one".

Huge
05-03-2005, 08:38 AM
Winslow and his dad were charging prospective agents $5K just to for interviews before the draft. Given all the garbage both have spewed, I hope the Browns take everything they can. The Soldja won't be hurting too bad...his dad's got money.

chuckm
05-03-2005, 10:32 AM
I know that Winslow breached his contract like Jeff Kent two years ago, yet I hope that the Browns do not act in trying to recover cash. That would truly be classless. They don't need to recoup his signing bonus.


Why in the world would that be classless? You can bet that if the Browns decided to breach the terms of the contract that Winslow and his agent would be screaming from the rooftops ....

infantrycak
05-03-2005, 12:28 PM
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/CD10305022250.jpeg

The picture doesn't look too good. Hopefully he faired better than his bike.

Actually, having ridden sport bikes for years (including being hit by chicks immediately before finals on back to back semesters) and having made a business in college of buying wrecked sport bikes and repairing them, it really isn't too bad. It always looks ugly when a motorcycle goes down. I bought one motorcycle from a guy who wrecked it on the way home from the dealership. Was always funny IMO that it took an accident for many people to realize they are dangerous.

Given the sparse facts that he was in a parking lot with buddies and hit a curb at 35 mph, I would bet they were practicing wheelies or burnouts--showboat maneuvers I hate in general, but particularly stupid in his circumstances.

Lucky
05-03-2005, 12:55 PM
Given the sparse facts that he was in a parking lot with buddies and hit a curb at 35 mph, I would bet they were practicing wheelies or burnouts--showboat maneuvers I hate in general, but particularly stupid in his circumstances.
I heard Winslow was just learning how to ride his bike. He didn't have a license & had bought the GSX-R750 a few weeks earlier. A nice bike, but not one I'd select as a beginner.

Oh, and wheelies rock! :headbang: :)

tacoman_j
05-03-2005, 01:45 PM
states that KW2 is suffering from internal injuries and possibly a severe right knee injury. Sound a little more serious than I initially thought.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news_room/news/arts/4241.0.html

Winslow has sustained some internal injuries, which are stable. There is also swelling in his right shoulder and knee. The extent of these injuries will not be known until further medical evaluation is completed after the swelling is reduced.

jacquescas
05-03-2005, 02:09 PM
Winslow was that player that got there between different management teams, he never played enough under Davis, and the Pats loved TE's so why wouldn't cleveland, its gonna be a big hit if he can't go. didn't he remember what happened to Jason/Jay Williams 2nd overall pick in 2002 NBA draft. is just making his comeback from a motorcycle accident.

infantrycak
05-03-2005, 06:00 PM
I heard Winslow was just learning how to ride his bike. He didn't have a license & had bought the GSX-R750 a few weeks earlier. A nice bike, but not one I'd select as a beginner.

Oh, and wheelies rock! :headbang: :)

Sportscenter just had a report from the Cleveland area which said Winslow and his buddies had been seen shortly before this at an exhibition by an extreme riding team. I'll stick to my wheelie prediction.

Youngstown Colt
05-03-2005, 06:09 PM
Winslow was that player that got there between different management teams, he never played enough under Davis
What? He was drafted by davis, and played under him. He wasn't drafted and coached by some interem coach.

JustBonee
05-03-2005, 07:08 PM
Seems like some people are their own worst enemy. If he breached his contract like that, he isn't very smart. We may never know if he was a better football player than motorcycle rider.

tacoman_j
05-03-2005, 10:24 PM
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8441251

The swelling in the knee was considerable, sources said, with the Browns fearful Winslow may have torn his anterior cruciate ligament. The club also suspects Winslow may have suffered ligament or tendon damage to his shoulder, sources said.

In addition, sources said the Browns believe Winslow may have suffered a punctured lung and an injury to his kidney, but that neither had the club overly concerned. A source close to the club said the kidney was bruised.

wags
05-04-2005, 07:18 AM
Here's my prediction: Winslow out for year. :ouch:

infantrycak
05-04-2005, 08:37 AM
In the latest ESPN update:

Winslow is still in the hospital and the local columnist who was reporting was gravely concerned Winslow may miss the season. That may be melodrama, but just passing it along.

Several off-duty cops were present at the motorcycle exhibition attended by Winslow and saw him depart, popping two wheelies on the way out. Reportedly one cop turned to another and commented "that's a million dollar wheelie."

chuckm
05-04-2005, 08:41 AM
i'll tell you why it'll hurt the team badly...because he was their 1st round pick in 04...because your first round picks should be the main building blocks of your franchise...they passed on several other players and even traded up a spot to get him in the draft...if you make a move like that to get a player that player better be worth it...and so far they've gotten just about nothing in return for their investment...just like their other 1st round picks...tim couch, courtney brown, gernald warren, and kevin winslow jr...what a waste of talent...i hope braylon edwards starts a positive trend for romeo


If memory serves didn't Cleveland give up their 2nd round pick to move up in the 1st round to draft Winslow? Seems like it was to Detroit .... the pick ended up being Kevin Jones ....

texasguy346
05-04-2005, 08:46 AM
If memory serves didn't Cleveland give up their 2nd round pick to move up in the 1st round to draft Winslow? Seems like it was to Detroit .... the pick ended up being Kevin Jones ....

I'm not sure what Detroit got in compensation, but they drafted Roy Williams that year. I believe they got Jones in the 2nd.

chuckm
05-04-2005, 08:52 AM
If memory serves didn't Cleveland give up their 2nd round pick to move up in the 1st round to draft Winslow? Seems like it was to Detroit .... the pick ended up being Kevin Jones ....


This is an excerpt from an article on the Browns web site ...


Davis said the decision to trade the team’s high second round pick (37th overall) to move up one slot and bring Winslow to Cleveland “signifies how important he was not only to 2004 but to the future of the Cleveland Browns.”

Sucks to think that they could've had both Roy Williams AND Kevin Jones instead of him in hindsight ....

Youngstown Colt
05-04-2005, 09:33 AM
Sucks to think that they could've had both Roy Williams AND Kevin Jones instead of him in hindsight ....
They really didn't need a WR or a RB at that time, plus Kevin Jones got picked in the first round, so there's no reason to assume the browns would have been in that spot.

They dropped the ball by trading up to pick him, because every indication was that the lions weren't gonna take him anyway. But that's Butch Davis for you, and it's not suprising another one of his high round picks might bust out. It is a shame though

infantrycak
05-04-2005, 10:30 AM
Ted Lehman is who they got with the Browns' 2nd round pick--he started all year and had 102 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF, 2 passes defensed and 1 Int.

Lucky
05-04-2005, 12:36 PM
Sportscenter just had a report from the Cleveland area which said Winslow and his buddies had been seen shortly before this at an exhibition by an extreme riding team. I'll stick to my wheelie prediction.
Maybe. But just getting on a sports bike and popping wheelies at 35 mph seems far fetched to me. It takes awhile to learn how to pull that off. Here's an article from the Cleveland Plain Dealer (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1115199228294380.xml) on the incident & a map (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/wide/index.ssf?/browns/wide/winslow_ax.html) of the accident scene.

Blake
05-04-2005, 01:24 PM
Hard to tell. Good find.

infantrycak
05-04-2005, 01:49 PM
Well doesn't appear to involve wheelie (were the cops just throwing Winslow under the bus with their report on witnessing two wheelies?), gotta wonder what the Browns are going to do if he is out for the season again. I mean that is a lot of money out the door and on the cap for a guy who isn't playing.

Boris
05-04-2005, 02:58 PM
I think they witnessed the wheelies @ a different event/location. From there Winslow & Co. went to the school (that was my understanding....... i didn't even have to google it ;)

infantrycak
05-04-2005, 03:17 PM
I think they witnessed the wheelies @ a different event/location. From there Winslow & Co. went to the school (that was my understanding....... i didn't even have to google it ;)

That is what I understood as well. I just meant it looked like the actual accident didn't involve wheelies.

gwallaia
05-04-2005, 03:56 PM
If I was a coach or general manager I would not allow my players to play catch in the backyard with their kids much less ride a motorcycle.

I wish Lance Berkman would have been thinking about this when he was playing flag football.

texan279
05-04-2005, 05:59 PM
LINK (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3589750)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v154/texan279/3589762_36_3.jpg

CLEVELAND (AP) - Kellen Winslow Jr.'s internal injuries from a motorcycle accident are improving, but the Cleveland Browns are concerned with damage to his right knee, the team said Wednesday.

Winslow was injured in an accident that sent him flying over the handlebars of his newly purchased motorcycle Sunday night.

The Browns issued a statement saying his knee will continue to be re-evaluated but declined to provide any specifics.

The 21-year-old tight end remains hospitalized at the Cleveland Clinic and a timetable for his release has not been determined.

The team also reported that Winslow is in good spirits. He has had a number of visitors over the last few days, including team president John Collins, general manager Phil Savage, coach Romeo Crennel and teammates.

Winslow's injuries are another setback for him and the struggling Browns. His rookie season ended when he broke his right leg during an onside kick in a Week 2 loss against Dallas. He lost a $5.3 million bonus last season because of the leg injury that dealt a severe blow to Cleveland's offense.

With his leg still on the mend, Winslow purchased a sport bike last month and was learning how to ride it in a parking lot when he hit a curb. He complained of chest pains after the crash.

Winslow's use of a motorcycle may have violated standard NFL player contract language that prohibits players from engaging in dangerous activities. If so, Cleveland could require him to pay back a $4.4 million signing bonus he received in March.

The Browns have declined to comment on his contract.

Winslow held out last year before signing a $40 million contract - a record for a tight end - as the No. 6 pick in the NFL draft.

JustBonee
05-04-2005, 07:28 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/clevelandcosby/kw2extreme.png

Some people have way too much fun with photoshop.

infantrycak
05-05-2005, 08:56 AM
They are getting closer to calling him done for the season:

BEREA - The joy ride Kellen Winslow Jr. took on his motorcycle last Sunday is expected to cost the Browns highly-touted tight end the 2005 season.
The Tribune Chronicle has learned that Winslow suffered a tear of the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee. Surgery will be required, which means that Winslow will likely miss the upcoming season.

Timetables for recovering from ACL surgery vary depending on the severity of the tear and the individual. A common reference point is a minimum of eight to 10 months, but it's possible that Winslow might need a full year to recover from surgery.

The Browns issued a statement Wednesday afternoon confirming that Winslow was still hospitalized, but no details of the knee injury were given. The statement did say that concern remains with the right knee. It went on to say that the team wouldn't comment on any aspects of his contract.

Link (http://www.tribune-chronicle.com/sports/story/055202005_spt01winslow05.asp)

Man, can the Browns ever catch a break?

Rosusu
05-05-2005, 02:54 PM
This is kind of funny and sad in a way. Some guy is selling scrap from the crash on Ebay.

Winslow Crash Auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25194&item=5193788567&rd=1)

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
05-05-2005, 10:03 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/SameOldRutgers/winslow_knevil_owned_250K.gif

wags
05-05-2005, 10:05 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/SameOldRutgers/winslow_knevil_owned_250K.gif


Randy Starks is the man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :highfive:

TexansCanes
05-05-2005, 11:07 PM
I'm not sure what Detroit got in compensation, but they drafted Roy Williams that year. I believe they got Jones in the 2nd.

the browns wanted k2 so they traded a 2nd to get him. they did not really have a chance to get jones with the second rounder that they gave up. the lions traded up to the first to get him so i don't think that jones would have fallen to the browns second. i really like kellen and hope that he is ok, but i think that guy needs to straight up, he is a great talent but just can't make it to the field, i don't know if i can stick up for him much longer.

sandt38
05-06-2005, 07:31 PM
The Cleveland Browns are concerned that injuries suffered by Kellen Winslow Jr. in a weekend motorcycle accident will prevent the second-year tight end from playing this season, NFL sources said.

The primary problem, sources said, are potentially significant injuries to the right knee and right shoulder -- with the club unable to determine the extent of damage to either until swelling subsides.

The swelling in the knee was considerable, sources said, with the Browns fearful Winslow may have torn his anterior cruciate ligament. The club also suspects Winslow may have suffered ligament or tendon damage to his shoulder, sources said.

In addition, sources said the Browns believe Winslow may have suffered a punctured lung and an injury to his kidney, but that neither had the club overly concerned. A source close to the club said the kidney was bruised.

Winslow was hurt while riding his motorcycle in the parking lot of a community college Sunday. According to police, he hit a curb while driving 35 mph and was thrown from the bike.


He later was taken by ambulance to Fairview Hospital and was transferred to Cleveland Clinic where the Browns' medical staff treated him. The club later said Winslow's injuries were not life threatening, but sources close to the team said the organization has serious concerns that his season may be imperiled.

"Winslow has sustained some internal injuries, which are stable," the Browns said in a statement released Monday. "There is also swelling in his right shoulder and knee. The extent of the injuries will not be known until further medical evaluation is completed after the swelling is reduced."

Winslow was the team's first-round draft pick in 2004, but missed all but two games after breaking his right leg against Dallas attempting to recover an onside kick in the closing seconds.

Winslow, who had five catches last year, had two surgeries on the leg and appeared recovered from the injury.

The Cleveland Browns are concerned that injuries suffered by Kellen Winslow Jr. in a weekend motorcycle accident will prevent the second-year tight end from playing this season, NFL sources said.


The primary problem, sources said, are potentially significant injuries to the right knee and right shoulder -- with the club unable to determine the extent of damage to either until swelling subsides.

The swelling in the knee was considerable, sources said, with the Browns fearful Winslow may have torn his anterior cruciate ligament. The club also suspects Winslow may have suffered ligament or tendon damage to his shoulder, sources said.

In addition, sources said the Browns believe Winslow may have suffered a punctured lung and an injury to his kidney, but that neither had the club overly concerned. A source close to the club said the kidney was bruised.

Winslow was hurt while riding his motorcycle in the parking lot of a community college Sunday. According to police, he hit a curb while driving 35 mph and was thrown from the bike.


He later was taken by ambulance to Fairview Hospital and was transferred to Cleveland Clinic where the Browns' medical staff treated him. The club later said Winslow's injuries were not life threatening, but sources close to the team said the organization has serious concerns that his season may be imperiled.

"Winslow has sustained some internal injuries, which are stable," the Browns said in a statement released Monday. "There is also swelling in his right shoulder and knee. The extent of the injuries will not be known until further medical evaluation is completed after the swelling is reduced."

Winslow was the team's first-round draft pick in 2004, but missed all but two games after breaking his right leg against Dallas attempting to recover an onside kick in the closing seconds.

Winslow, who had five catches last year, had two surgeries on the leg and appeared recovered from the injury.

Source (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8441251)


USA Today reported today (page 19c) that KWII lost over $10 million last year in bonuses and salaries last year and that this years loss may total over $10 million more in signing and option bonuses. Ironic, the greedy holdout a-hole losing all his money.

So he has lost (or reportedly will lose) over $20 million of his $40 million 6 year deal. O DISCORDIA!!!!

__________________________________________________ ________________

Also noted on the Bills site from a fan who listens to Cleveland radio;

I can get Cleveland talk radio here, and they are extremly worried that his career is over.

__________________________________________________ _________________

Kellen Winslow Jr's newest endorsement;

Legend's Scooters!!! (http://www.profootballtalk.com/scoot.jpg)

WWJD
05-06-2005, 10:43 PM
Forget football. The main thing is that he recovers.

Youngstown Colt
05-07-2005, 12:12 AM
I'm a huge browns fan, and the one thing that is really bothering me is the way the organization is handeling this. There are a lot of browns fans genuinly concerned about KW2's health, and they know nothing. All we get is "sources report"

Maybe this is the patriots way of doing things, but I don't like it.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
05-07-2005, 08:54 AM
http://www246.pair.com/autoybkh/albums/funnies_/we_were_soldiers.jpg

Wolf
05-07-2005, 09:14 AM
Wow.. good thing we didn't draft him... I couldn't imagine the am't of heat the front office would take given the am't of heat the FO is taking for Joppru.. and he has been hurt ON the field..
practice field that is

sandt38
05-07-2005, 10:47 PM
Well doesn't appear to involve wheelie (were the cops just throwing Winslow under the bus with their report on witnessing two wheelies?), gotta wonder what the Browns are going to do if he is out for the season again. I mean that is a lot of money out the door and on the cap for a guy who isn't playing.

Actually I posted a Thread about the injuries (glued to this thread, apparently, link to page) (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=8876&page=3&pp=20) being reported, and metioned the financial ramifications for Winslow and the team. The violation of his contract will require repayment of his signing bonus (no cap hit there) as well as lost salaries through the year, and no bonuses or incentives being paid out. All told this little wreck will likely cost Winslow over $10 million dollars this year, all of which WILL go back to the teams bank. My financial source was USA Today, Friday's morning edition.

I wasn't aware the img tags were functional... Cool, I love this little pic, Kellens new endorsement;



http://www.profootballtalk.com/scoot.jpg

Youngstown Colt
05-08-2005, 12:26 AM
Wow, I understand looking at it as karma, but don't celebrate the man getting hurt.

TexansCanes
05-08-2005, 01:42 AM
Wow, I understand looking at it as karma, but don't celebrate the man getting hurt.

seriously, i understand that a lot of guys don't like him, thats your opinion, but don't say you hope he never plays again.

Jon Moxon
05-08-2005, 08:58 AM
Imo, the browns should try to seek some of the money back, esp if he loses the season to his injuries.

Kellen Winslow has done nothing except bring the browns down.

#1 Drafted 6th overall in 04, then complained because he thought he should have gone higher..

#2 Breaks his leg in his second NFL game and missed the rest of his rookie season

#3 Instead of focusing on getting back into football, this clown is out riding a motorcycle, without a liscence or the skills to operate a bike...and look what happened.

sandt38
05-08-2005, 04:08 PM
***Sources confirming fears of career ending injuries, Lacerated Kidney and Liver, 2 broken leg bones, Torn knee ligaments.***


5 On Your Side Health Team Anchor Lee Jordan reported sources close to the Winslow story said the Sunday motorcycle accident left Winslow with a broken tibia and femur, the large bone in his thigh. His ACL was damaged, possibly torn and there are lacerations on his liver and kidney...

One media outlet is even suggesting Winslow's football career is over, WEWS reported.

Source (http://www.newsnet5.com/sports/4460612/detail.html)

You gotta view the reconstruction of the accident. You should see how this guy goes down, and it is obvious how Kellen got hurt. It is almost scary to watch.

powda
05-09-2005, 11:55 AM
i'm not sure if this has already been posted anywhere but they found new footage from the survaliance cameras at the bank across the street...

take a look of the actual winslow accident....YIKES!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/SameOldRutgers/winslow_knevil_owned_250K.gif

cuppacoffee
05-11-2005, 03:14 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/kel3.jpg



This couldn't possibly be fun. Could it?

Not sure if this pic is legit or not, from profootballtalk.com rumormill

Boris
05-11-2005, 04:32 PM
Not sure if this pic is legit or not, from profootballtalk.com rumormill

Hillarious!

cuppacoffee
05-12-2005, 09:58 AM
Hillarious!

Guess I am just a born skeptic. :D


cac: :coffee:

TEXANS84
05-12-2005, 11:55 PM
I know, I know, this just isn't right....but I had to post it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/Ball_Hawks/WinslowJR.gif

Wolf
05-18-2005, 08:11 PM
from kffl.com

Browns | Winslow Out for the Season - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 18 May 2005 16:34:17 -0700

Jim Donovan, of WKYC.com, reports Cleveland Browns TE Kellen Winslow Jr. (knee) will miss the entire 2005 season. His station, Channel 3 News, has learned that Winslow has a significant right knee injury. Results of Winslow's MRI have not been released, but Donovan is reporting sources told him the results show an injury to his ACL. The Winslow family will not allow the information to be become public.

personally, I think (or hope) that this is a wakeup call for this youngster.

jacquescas
05-19-2005, 03:02 AM
at this point, if they are not willing to release the info its obviously bad, its not like they are withholding saying he is allright.

What a horrible turn of events and the thing is the browns can't really go to hard after his money cause it would look bad, even though they have every right too, it would look bad from potential free agents and rookies.

i think he is out for the year, and i doubt he can ever be what he could have been. Him and joppru are having a running contest here.

nunusguy
05-19-2005, 06:50 AM
Him and joppru are having a running contest here.
The 2 situations are really quite different. Joppru is just the bad luck kid as
his injuries were hardly the result of poor judgement. Winslow used the worst
kind of judgement which by most reports, from what I understand, included an activity that was explicitly forbidden by his contract with the Browns. Winslow obviously did not have his old mans legal training, or was just to arrogant and stupid to pay any attention to the contract of which he was a party.

Youngstown Colt
05-19-2005, 11:56 AM
at this point, if they are not willing to release the info its obviously bad, its not like they are withholding saying he is allright.
.Actually, because this is a non sports related injury, it is up to the Winslow family if they want to allow info to be released.

Obviously they don't want that.