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EllisUnit
01-08-2012, 08:07 PM
He is a better D.C than Head coach, i think other teams will realize that (more like hope they will)

We will win the superbowl ;) and he will decide he wants to stay (come on that would be nice)

The main reason he wont leave

His Daddy will Whoop His sons ass. Bend him over his knee tilt that cowboy hat to the side and beat the living hell out of him :)

Disclaimer - The above poster believes none of this, this is his way of not crying like a little *****.

TheMatrix31
01-08-2012, 09:05 PM
Unfortunately none of that **** means anything to anyone. He doesn't care if he belongs in Houston, if he sucks as a HC, if he'd be a legend here, if his father owns Houston, if he loves his defensive personnel here, etc.

If he gets paid, he will leave.

Fox
01-08-2012, 09:17 PM
He's getting paid here. I think it has everything to do with Wade wanting to be a HC. He thinks he's a HC and he'll take an opportunity to resume that role if it's presented.

I think he loves Houston, he loves this team, this D, this owner, etc, etc. He's one of the, if not the, highest paid DC's in the game. He just doesn't love the role of DC as much as he does HC.

Dutchrudder
01-08-2012, 09:22 PM
Money-wise, would you rather make around 1-2 million a year as DC, or get 4-8 million a year as a HC? He has 2 more years on his DC contract, but could easily get 20 million over 5 years guaranteed from a decent team. Even if he fails as a HC he makes about 15 million more.

GP
01-08-2012, 09:34 PM
Unfortunately none of that **** means anything to anyone. He doesn't care if he belongs in Houston, if he sucks as a HC, if he'd be a legend here, if his father owns Houston, if he loves his defensive personnel here, etc.

If he gets paid, he will leave.


He's getting paid here. I think it has everything to do with Wade wanting to be a HC. He thinks he's a HC and he'll take an opportunity to resume that role if it's presented.

I think he loves Houston, he loves this team, this D, this owner, etc, etc. He's one of the, if not the, highest paid DC's in the game. He just doesn't love the role of DC as much as he does HC.


Money-wise, would you rather make around 1-2 million a year as DC, or get 4-8 million a year as a HC? He has 2 more years on his DC contract, but could easily get 20 million over 5 years guaranteed from a decent team. Even if he fails as a HC he makes about 15 million more.


He wants more money (a natural human condition). But I also think he has this Head Coach obsession that he feels he has to attain and succeed at. His dad was a HC, and he wants to be one too...and he wants to be a good HC and bring honor to himself and his father.

I think bailing on any team after only one year is Doosh Deluxe, personally. But then again, it's his life and who is to say if he has to stay or if he can leave.

He's a big boy and he will make a decision if one is forthcoming, but there will be some flat out disappointed people if he doesn't try to come back in 2012 and try his hand at Texans d-coord again.

rush2112mn
01-08-2012, 09:34 PM
I think it all goes back to Dallas......
He felt like he could have still been the head coach there.....even with all the loses......
He still feels like he can head coach and wants to again......

I think it goes back to pride......He is a proud man.....and feels like his pride took a hit in Dallas.....

I think he should stay here myself....I think he should stick with what he does best....Defensive Coordinator.....

Dick Leabeau who is the defensive coordinator for the Steelers is a great example of someone who could have been a head coach ....but sticks with what he is good at......

I think Wade should think about sticking with what he is great at......plain and simple.......

Stay here Wade.....and become a legend like your daddy did.......

ChampionTexan
01-08-2012, 09:37 PM
Stay here Wade.....and become a legend like your daddy did.......

...or leave and be Buddy Ryan.

fiasco west
01-08-2012, 09:41 PM
I think it all goes back to Dallas......
He felt like he could have still been the head coach there.....even with all the loses......
He still feels like he can head coach and wants to again......

I think it goes back to pride......He is a proud man.....and feels like his pride took a hit in Dallas.....

I think he should stay here myself....I think he should stick with what he does best....Defensive Coordinator.....

Dick Leabeau who is the defensive coordinator for the Steelers is a great example of someone who could have been a head coach ....but sticks with what he is good at......

I think Wade should think about sticking with what he is great at......plain and simple.......

Stay here Wade.....and become a legend like your daddy did.......

He probably thinks he got a bad roll in Dallas as well.

I mean it's hard for anyone to coach there when the owner is breathing down your neck and at times making decisions for you.

I guess we'll see how much he loves coaching in this state. Because if he does go to Tampa then there is no coming back to Houston or Dallas.

clutch
01-08-2012, 09:49 PM
He better stay and he better get paid.. there is no telling what this team if 100% can do..

DocBar
01-08-2012, 10:05 PM
He's getting paid here. I think it has everything to do with Wade wanting to be a HC. He thinks he's a HC and he'll take an opportunity to resume that role if it's presented.

I think he loves Houston, he loves this team, this D, this owner, etc, etc. He's one of the, if not the, highest paid DC's in the game. He just doesn't love the role of DC as much as he does HC.I agree with this. It's hard for some people to stomach a perceived demotion. IMHO, I consider being the Texans DC a promotion over being Jerry Jone's "boy".

Money-wise, would you rather make around 1-2 million a year as DC, or get 4-8 million a year as a HC? He has 2 more years on his DC contract, but could easily get 20 million over 5 years guaranteed from a decent team. Even if he fails as a HC he makes about 15 million more.Pay him HC $$ and be done with it if that's the case. Do coaches salaries count against the cap these days?

He wants more money (a natural human condition). But I also think he has this Head Coach obsession that he feels he has to attain and succeed at. His dad was a HC, and he wants to be one too...and he wants to be a good HC and bring honor to himself and his father.

I think bailing on any team after only one year is Doosh Deluxe, personally. But then again, it's his life and who is to say if he has to stay or if he can leave.

He's a big boy and he will make a decision if one is forthcoming, but there will be some flat out disappointed people if he doesn't try to come back in 2012 and try his hand at Texans d-coord again.Wade has Bum beat, hands down, in the HC dept. as far as W-L's go. It's the iconic stature of Bum as a HC, here in Houston, that Wade probably wants to emulate. I don't see him ever accomplishing that if he leaves here.

Playoffs
01-08-2012, 10:07 PM
It's not about the money,

The man wants to pursue his dreams.

StarStruck
01-08-2012, 10:34 PM
It's not about the money,

The man wants to pursue his dreams.

Possibly. Given the success of the Texans this season, becoming the head coach here probably won't happen this year. Even though he has the Texas roots, the leadership, prestige and money that comes with a head coaching position would probably be as hard to turn down as with a corporate executive liking where he/she is as a manager, and passing up the position of a vice president.

I really would like to see Phillips remain in Houston, but as a 66 year old (?), time isn't on his side. Maybe he will consider less stress than the above incentives.

EllisUnit
01-08-2012, 10:55 PM
Unfortunately none of that **** means anything to anyone. He doesn't care if he belongs in Houston, if he sucks as a HC, if he'd be a legend here, if his father owns Houston, if he loves his defensive personnel here, etc.

If he gets paid, he will leave.

please view disclaimer.

TexanBacker93
01-09-2012, 07:24 AM
It's not about the money,

The man wants to pursue his dreams.

I agree, but I can't figure it out. It's not like he's a 31 year old up and comer that hasn't danced before. He's been a HC 3 times and failed all three times. Why put yourself through the misery again? In 15 years will people still remember Dick Lebeau? I think so. Will anyone remember Scott Linehan, Rod Marinelli, Raheem Morris, Jim Zorn, or any of the other HCs that flamed out fast? Probably not.

Wade is an awesome DC and has something special here. The Bucs are a mess. Why would he want to deal with that? He should just stay here and help Gary polish the SV trophies the Texans will bring home.

As for a team like the Bucs, I can't see why they would be interested in a candidate like Wade. I can't think of a single instance of a HC getting his 4th job after 3 failures and suddenly striking it rich. Shanahan was obviously successful in Denver after being fired in Oakland. 3 times is a trend.

amazing80
01-09-2012, 08:02 AM
Here are the reasons he SHOULD stay here:

1. The talent he has to work on this defense is HEAD AND SHOULDERS better than Tampa Bay.

2. He is the highest paid DC and no guarantee of a raise if he leaves. im sure he could get a promotion here, Ass. HC/DC with a raise (do it Bob)

3. His health is not great and Houston has much better hospitals.

4. His family is here and his legacy is here.

5. He is gonna be 65 years old before next season starts and he just had surgery, the Bucs will not offer him the job. They want someone to grow with their younger talent and make them a long-term contender.

6. the guy is 1-5 (besides our win Saturday) LIFETIME as a coach (DC and HC) in the playoffs, that does not scream winner to me.

7. His daddy will whoop his ass lol

Texecutioner
01-09-2012, 08:09 AM
If Wade wants to leave than he'll leave. It's that simple. He's a NFL DC and an NFL HC. People who discount the difference between several Million dollars a year in a salary sound silly. That's a huge amount of money and being a HC is ultimately what almost all coaches want. Wade wants to be a HC whether people want to realize that or not. He had a great season here, so if he can parlay that onto a HC job then good for him. Any Texans fan that has enjoyed this season should be happy for him. If not, you really don't deserve a successful great coach if you can't even be thankful when you get one that transforms a defense around in one season the way that Wade has. Yeah, it would suck to lose a guy that was able to Kubiak-proof this team, but to think that a guy shouldn't be able to leave if a better opportunity presents itself isn't fair to him. Good luck to Wade for whatever he chooses to do.

ArlingtonTexan
01-09-2012, 08:13 AM
There is only one: no team offers him a headcoaching job.

beerlover
01-09-2012, 08:16 AM
Does it really matter? Can't stay healthy, retirement age yada yada yada :sarcasm:

ChampionTexan
01-09-2012, 08:29 AM
Here are the reasons he SHOULD stay here:

6. the guy is 1-5 (besides our win Saturday) LIFETIME as a coach (DC and HC) in the playoffs, that does not scream winner to me.


I don't know who came up with this, but it couldn't be more wrong. Yeah, Wade's 1-5 as a HC, but the mere fact he was a DC in a Super Bowl XXIV when he was with the Broncos should be a clue that whoever came up with that is either lazy, stupid, a troll, or some combination of the three.

FWIW, he's also got playoff wins as a DC with the Falcons and the Bills.

IDEXAN
01-09-2012, 08:37 AM
My attitude about Wade has now changed because I no longer think of him as this benevolent ole guy who wants only the best for the Texans. Now he's clearly an opportunist, a self-promoter who very easily could have said lets wait until the Texans' post-season is over before we start talking about any ambitions I might have in the future.
This is not to take anything away from his ability as an NFL DC, which is extraordinary. But clearly Wade is like most everybody else in the NFL - he's in it for #1.

amazing80
01-09-2012, 08:42 AM
I don't know who came up with this, but it couldn't be more wrong. Yeah, Wade's 1-5 as a HC, but the mere fact he was a DC in a Super Bowl XXIV when he was with the Broncos should be a clue that whoever came up with that is either lazy, stupid, a troll, or some combination of the three.

FWIW, he's also got playoff wins as a DC with the Falcons and the Bills.

i originally thought it was only as HC 1-5, but when I looked at the profootball link last night that was posted in the other thread, it did not list any of those other wins.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PhilWa0.htm


incorrect I read it wrong....:toropalm:

either way 1-5 AS HC is terrible, why would you retread something like that when you could sign someone else who isnt 64 (65 when season starts) and just had surgery? You've had the old bull, now they want the young calf, and they grab him by the bal.....well nevermind, you get the point ;)

TexansBull
01-09-2012, 09:17 AM
I am not too concerned about Tampa. Tampa is a couple years away from being a contender for the Superbowl.

Now if he was going to interview for San Diego, Atlanta, Indianapolis, or a team that is just a small piece away from the Superbowl that has an offense in place just needing a stronger defense, then that makes me go :eek:. I am mildly concerned, just not overly concerned. I think they are going to go with Sherman or Zimmer. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-10809885

The main problem is now his name is being floated out there. Its sort of like when a waived player gets a tryout and now is on the list of potential canidates.

Texecutioner
01-09-2012, 09:59 AM
I am not too concerned about Tampa. Tampa is a couple years away from being a contender for the Superbowl.

Now if he was going to interview for San Diego, Atlanta, Indianapolis, or a team that is just a small piece away from the Superbowl that has an offense in place just needing a stronger defense, then that makes me go :eek:. I am mildly concerned, just not overly concerned. I think they are going to go with Sherman or Zimmer. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-10809885

The main problem is now his name is being floated out there. Its sort of like when a waived player gets a tryout and now is on the list of potential canidates.

You may not be concerned about Tampa, but Wade obviously is. Otherwise, he wouldn't be interviewing for the job and telling people about how he wants to be a head coach again.

TexansBull
01-09-2012, 10:16 AM
You may not be concerned about Tampa, but Wade obviously is. Otherwise, he wouldn't be interviewing for the job and telling people about how he wants to be a head coach again.

I said I was mildly concerned, not overly concerned. He may just be interviewing to get his name out there to find a better place.

HOU-TEX
01-09-2012, 10:32 AM
There is only one: no team offers him a headcoaching job.

This about sums it up.

Playoffs
01-09-2012, 11:37 AM
I agree, but I can't figure it out. It's not like he's a 31 year old up and comer that hasn't danced before...
Jerruh & company besmirched Wade's reputation big time after his stint in Dallas. Big time.

He has every right to prove that wrong -- although he was somewhat vindicated by the Cowgirls play this year.

cuppacoffee
01-09-2012, 11:47 AM
Jerruh & company besmirched Wade's reputation big time after his stint in Dallas.


Me thinks Jerruh's opinion has become as irrelevant as his team has.

Garrett hasn't exactly come across as any sort of genius of a coach.

Other owners pat Jerruh on the back to feed his ego and further keep him engaged in his ignorance.

Most people aren't so stupid as to not see the difference in Wade from last year to this year. The only difference is Jerruhs ego getting in the way.

I wish Wade well in whatever he decides to do.

It ain't life and death folks.....It's a business .

:coffee:

Thorn
01-09-2012, 11:58 AM
I wish Wade well in whatever he decides to do.

It ain't life and death folks.....It's a business .
:coffee:

That's true, but football is an emotional game, full of emotional players, coaches, fans and even sometimes TV announcers. I'm an emotional fan, and I want Wade to stay and I WILL NOT bid him well if he leaves. I'm going to be emotional about it and hate him if he leaves. :)

TexanBacker93
01-09-2012, 12:40 PM
Jerruh & company besmirched Wade's reputation big time after his stint in Dallas. Big time.

He has every right to prove that wrong -- although he was somewhat vindicated by the Cowgirls play this year.

I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to prove everyone wrong. It's not like he hasn't had opportunities, though. He didn't succeed in Denver or Buffalo either. I know he had partial seasons in Atlanta and New Orleans, but I'm not really looking at those. He did get all 3 teams he coached to the playoffs, but only 1 victory in those seasons.

Here's a list of SB winning coaches that had coached previously somewhere else.

Tom Coughlin - 4 playoff appearances in 8 seasons with Jax.
Bill Belichick - 1 playoff season in 5 with the Browns.
Tony Dungy - 4 playoff appearances in 6 seasons with the Bucs.
Jon Gruden - 2 playoff seasons in 4 with Oakland.
Dick Vermeil - 4 playoffs (1 SB appearance) in 7 seasons with Philly.
Mike Shanahan - Nothing in 1 plus seasons with the Raiders.
Don Shula - 3 playoffs (1 SB win) in 7 Seasons with the Colts.

That's it. Parcells took a 2nd team to the SB after leaving his first one, but never found the same success with his 3rd or 4th franchise. Not one of those coaches was a head coach of more than 1 other team before winning the SB. I realize that this is all the past, but I think 45 years is a pretty good sample size. If you want to win a SB you need to find that first time or young 2nd timer and let him grow. A team that has just fired their HC is in need of more than a 1 year turnaround.

I'm sure there are a lot of cases of HC getting teams to a SB after being a HC somewhere before, but the goal should be to win it all.

If a team offers him a position nobody should stand in his way (except maybe his family if it's not something they want). I think a team would be making a mistake with him. It's not just him, either. I don't think retreads are the way to go.

cuppacoffee
01-09-2012, 02:07 PM
That's true, but football is an emotional game, full of emotional players, coaches, fans and even sometimes TV announcers. I'm an emotional fan, and I want Wade to stay and I WILL NOT bid him well if he leaves. I'm going to be emotional about it and hate him if he leaves. :)

What is so strange about all this is that the chapter in the book I am currently reading is all about love/hate relationships.

"Love can turn into savage attack, feelings of hostility, or complete withdrawal of affection at the flick of a switch." -E Tolle

It actually is more about personal, romantic relationships I suppose, but a lot of it does seem to manifest itself in some of the postings in this thread.

Yours is one of the milder manifestations..:) I think your maturity stepped in.

I think my "love" of pro-football died when Bud took my Oiler team away. That was a real wake up call.

:coffee:

mridge01
01-09-2012, 03:20 PM
My attitude about Wade has now changed because I no longer think of him as this benevolent ole guy who wants only the best for the Texans. Now he's clearly an opportunist, a self-promoter who very easily could have said lets wait until the Texans' post-season is over before we start talking about any ambitions I might have in the future.
This is not to take anything away from his ability as an NFL DC, which is extraordinary. But clearly Wade is like most everybody else in the NFL - he's in it for #1.

Hard to argue your point. However, I'd like for him to stick around as we can see what an impact he's had (especially evident during his two games missed). Personally I think TB will hire Mike Sherman anyway. Not sure who else will look at Wade. Hopefully the Texans playoff run keeps going so teams fill their HC vacancies before he is truly available.

Playoffs
01-09-2012, 03:37 PM
You know it's getting deep when the Eckhart Tolle card gets played. http://www.scribas.com/files/smileys/scribas/rolleyes.gif :smiliepalm:

cuppacoffee
01-09-2012, 05:18 PM
You know it's getting deep when the Eckhart Tolle card gets played. http://www.scribas.com/files/smileys/scribas/rolleyes.gif :smiliepalm:



:lol:

It was getting deep long before that.

Have you read the other thread about Wade possibly leaving?

Some posters will need to stay away from high places and sharp objects.


:coffee:

kingh99
01-09-2012, 06:29 PM
He is a better D.C than Head coach, i think other teams will realize that (more like hope they will)

We will win the superbowl ;) and he will decide he wants to stay (come on that would be nice)

The main reason he wont leave

His Daddy will Whoop His sons ass. Bend him over his knee tilt that cowboy hat to the side and beat the living hell out of him :)

Disclaimer - The above poster believes none of this, this is his way of not crying like a little *****.

Whatever the reason he's one tone deaf muffahuffa. His father is picked to lead the bull parade at the start of game festivities and he comes out with this the day after. To be honest I remember Bum and he had a strange way as well. He had the city in his hand and pretty much over played that same hand in an ego duel with Silver spoon Rockabilly Bud and saw it all fall apart. How stupid were they both to break it up at the height of popularity? Bud Adams is and has always been a jackass. However, Bum and son are by no mean perfect when it comes to public relations. Not by a long shot. He should say something of an apology for putting self first at this time of the year.

bckey
01-09-2012, 07:35 PM
If you are analyzing posts using Eckhart Tolle then you are in worse shape than the posters you are analyzing.:kitten:

Texan_Bill
01-09-2012, 07:38 PM
Re: The reasons Wade will remain in houston.

Because I'll marry his daughter if he leaves! :thinking:

SAMURAITEXAN
01-09-2012, 09:09 PM
Because I'll marry his daughter if he leaves! :thinking:

Bill!!:wadepalm:

MEGA SWATT
01-09-2012, 09:18 PM
It will be a devastating blow to this team if WP leaves. I hope this is just him increasing his stock and that he has no intention on actually leaving.

D1DAVE
01-09-2012, 09:23 PM
We wouldn't be having any of this conversation if Jerry would not have let him go. We would still be fielding a medium to good team who probably would not be in the playoffs. Stay Wade please. But if not thanks for everything this season. :barman:

cuppacoffee
01-13-2012, 03:45 PM
If you are analyzing posts using Eckhart Tolle then you are in worse shape than the posters you are analyzing.:kitten:


Possibly / Probably...:butterfly:

:coffee:

Texan_Bill
01-13-2012, 03:46 PM
He stayed because SHIPLEYS > Krispy Kreme

Jaysol
01-13-2012, 03:58 PM
He stayed because SHIPLEYS > Krispy Kreme

I contemplated neg repping you for this. They are both great in their own regards!

Perki-Perk
01-13-2012, 04:26 PM
I contemplated neg repping you for this. They are both great in their own regards!

I thought about neg repping you for coming in here using advanced terminology that I'm not used to on public forums, therefore sending me into a temporary moment of shock. I have since recovered, so I will disregard my previous thoughts and move along amicably. Go Texans!

Thorn
01-13-2012, 04:27 PM
HA! I'm neg repping everyone just 'cause. :peek:

Texan_Bill
01-13-2012, 04:30 PM
I contemplated neg repping you for this. They are both great in their own regards!

Kolaches > No Kolaches ;)

Jaysol
01-13-2012, 04:39 PM
Kolaches > No Kolaches ;)

+rep.

Exactly why I consider both establishments equals. I love the kolaches at Shipleys, but the donuts at Krispy Kreme seem to be glazed with liquid crack.

Let's be honest, who didn't bust a U-turn at break neck speeds after seeing this:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/67335834_4d0db4b919_d.jpg

Damn I miss them. :cry2:

EllisUnit
01-13-2012, 06:21 PM
I told you cause bum would whip wades ass. Thats what really happened.