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amazing80
01-06-2012, 08:12 AM
So, you are Gary Kubiak, you just won the coin toss Saturday. Do you want to receive or defer to get the ball after the half?

Do you send the defense out there to set the tone for the game, or do you go out on offense and try to light up the score board immediately?

I would kick. Set the tone on defense and release the bulls immediately on Dalton. Show them who's house they are in, plus the crowd will be crazy from the start so allowing that to roll into the game would help our home field advantage.

Texan_Bill
01-06-2012, 08:14 AM
C) Could give a damn about the rats ass!

rmartin65
01-06-2012, 08:16 AM
C) Could give a damn about the rats ass!

So... you care about the rat's ass? Interesting... very interesting...

gtexan02
01-06-2012, 08:22 AM
Yates was great 1st drive sunday

amazing80
01-06-2012, 08:24 AM
Yates was great 1st drive sunday

And that was AFTER we stopped the Tacks once ;)

gtexan02
01-06-2012, 08:29 AM
And that was AFTER we stopped the Tacks once ;)

Point is that our scripted 1st drives have been good this season. That one was 90 yards which made it more difficult.

I say give to Yates with the score 0-0 and us on our 20 and it minimizes complications or feelings that he has to force it.

PureTexan
01-06-2012, 08:34 AM
I say you kick and play defense :

#1. Given our offense and defense, clearly our defense is our better attribute

#2. You are at home and Houston is geeked right now; crowd will be LOUD!

#3. Playing offense with a geeked crowd having trouble sitting still is tough

#4. Let the crowd release all this nervous energy, let the defense go nutty, set the stage and tempo and let Yates relize, "Its all goingto be okay because all these people are rooting for you and came here for you."

Once it soaks in and Yates sees that his defense is there to help him, he can go out their more relaxed and a crowd who got out 10+ years of playoff frustration.

But wudda I know <shrug>

TimeKiller
01-06-2012, 08:49 AM
I'd put the D out there first. Them fans, they'll blow the roof off the damn stadium and Dalton will get rattled, maybe cough up the ball. Give 80 a chance to let the reality sink in before he goes apeshit on Cincy's D.

Sigma
01-06-2012, 08:58 AM
I will want him to choose the kick

I just hate when we've less points on the board and on top of that the other team get the ball to start the second half

Or maybe we have more points on the board but the other team get the ball to start the half and can catch up on us...


I don't know if that would be better for the team tho....

-EDIT-

Oh, other than that there's another point in favor

1- if you end the half with a good offence drive you can have another drive to put even more points on the board
2- if you end the half with a good defence drive you can take advantage and put more points then the opponents did in their last drive
3- if you end the half with a bad offence drive you can rest the guys and put em out to redeem themselves
4- if you end the half with a bad defence drive you can rest the defence and have the opportunity to put points on the board to consoidate the lead/diminish the distance


well, that's what I've always thought, don't know if my interpretation is correct :D

Ole Miss Texan
01-06-2012, 09:02 AM
I would kick it. The crowd will be loudest at the start of the game. Get our defense on the field and set the tempo of the game on snap one. Bring the rush and play intense. Force them to a 3 and out and start the game winning the field position battle.

If we do receive the ball, I hope the very first play is a deep bomb to AJ. Just chunk it up to him for a long score on the first playoff game of his, and the organizations, existence!!

GP
01-06-2012, 09:02 AM
Offense.

I don't care how loud it would be for the Bengals' offense if we elected to kick to them, you don't give Dalton and his offense a chance to drive the field and kill clock.

You get the ball, run your plays and eat the clock...hopefully get points off of it, then let your defense support your points. Let our D have something to defend.

HOU-TEX
01-06-2012, 09:09 AM
Historically, Kubiak has taken the ball every time. Why would he change now?

amazing80
01-06-2012, 09:10 AM
Historically, Kubiak has taken the ball every time. Why would he change now?

Has he? I thought we deferred a few times this season...

NastyNate
01-06-2012, 09:13 AM
Offense.

I don't care how loud it would be for the Bengals' offense if we elected to kick to them, you don't give Dalton and his offense a chance to drive the field and kill clock.

You get the ball, run your plays and eat the clock...hopefully get points off of it, then let your defense support your points. Let our D have something to defend.

I agree, take the ball, get your scripted drive outta the way and come away with 7. We need to play ahead this game. No need to let them drive the field and deflate the crowd in the first 7 minutes of the game.

amazing80
01-06-2012, 09:15 AM
I agree, take the ball, get your scripted drive outta the way and come away with 7. We need to play ahead this game. No need to let them drive the field and deflate the crowd in the first 7 minutes of the game.

Oh my, was are you guys under estimating our defense? I would be interested to see how many times our defense gave up points on the first possession.

Vinnie
01-06-2012, 09:16 AM
Has he? I thought we deferred a few times this season...

No, he hasn't deferred yet this season when we've won the toss. I do recall him doing it once last season, or maybe it was the season before? :um:

NastyNate
01-06-2012, 09:18 AM
Oh my, was are you guys under estimating our defense? I would be interested to see how many times our defense gave up points on the first possession.

Andre's back. look at the first play of the game when we played cincy. naked boot 50 yard bomb to Jacoby that he let just fall right through his hands. We'll score quick and decisively, getting our defense on the field after 4-5 minutes.

Do you really want to let them play with a lead and run benson on us all day? Deflate them a bit. I wouldn't care either way though, just know that we've succeeded all year long when playing in front. that's what our team is designed for.

amazing80
01-06-2012, 09:23 AM
Andre's back. look at the first play of the game when we played cincy. naked boot 50 yard bomb to Jacoby that he let just fall right through his hands. We'll score quick and decisively, getting our defense on the field after 4-5 minutes.

Do you really want to let them play with a lead and run benson on us all day? Deflate them a bit. I wouldn't care either way though, just know that we've succeeded all year long when playing in front. that's what our team is designed for.

I just went back into every game and we have given up points on our opponents FIRST drive only TWICE this season.....


can anyone guess which TWO games we allowed first possession points, (hint both were TDS)

michaelm
01-06-2012, 09:42 AM
Kubiak has said that he will take the ball 100% of the time if he wins the coin toss.
He believes that you take every possession that you can, because one possession might be the difference in the game.

Doesn't matter what I would do. Kubiak will take the ball.

paycheck71
01-06-2012, 09:54 AM
Kubiak will receive, but here's why I would always defer when winning the coin toss:

Getting the ball first in a half gives you the chance to get 1 more possession opportunity in that half than the other team if things go right. Worst case scenario is that you'll have an equal # of possession opportunities. I'd rather have the potential extra possession after the halftime, when I was able to make some adjustments instead of giving that opportunity to the opponent.

PureTexan
01-06-2012, 09:55 AM
I would kick it. The crowd will be loudest at the start of the game. Get our defense on the field and set the tempo of the game on snap one. Bring the rush and play intense. Force them to a 3 and out and start the game winning the field position battle.


Dalton is a Rookie and this is the playoffs.....he isn't going out there and driving down the field right out of the gate.

To take our Rookie and throw him straight into the fire is a bad move.

I don't know about everyone else but when your adrenaline is peaking and emotions are high, "fine touch" and "feel" go right out the window and are replaced by retard strength........this is playing to the strength of our defense.

Put Andy on his heals, make him nervous, get his head rattled, let him hear the noise and have his coaches yelling in his ear about "CALM DOWN CALM DOWN!"

If you do this, Andy isn't himself till mid way through the 2nd QTR........THATS clock management.

And BTW - no one asked "What will Kubiak do" rather what would YOU do.

NastyNate
01-06-2012, 10:00 AM
Dalton is a Rookie and this is the playoffs.....he isn't going out there and driving down the field right out of the gate.

To take our Rookie and throw him straight into the fire is a bad move.

I don't know about everyone else but when your adrenaline is peaking and emotions are high, "fine touch" and "feel" go right out the window and are replaced by retard strength........this is playing to the strength of our defense.

Put Andy on his heals, make him nervous, get his head rattled, let him hear the noise and have his coaches yelling in his ear about "CALM DOWN CALM DOWN!"

If you do this, Andy isn't himself till mid way through the 2nd QTR........THATS clock management.

And BTW - no one asked "What will Kubiak do" rather what would YOU do.

Dalton 5-3 on the road as a starter. Doesn't seem to make a ton of mistakes on the road.

PureTexan
01-06-2012, 10:21 AM
Dalton 5-3 on the road as a starter. Doesn't seem to make a ton of mistakes on the road.

Couple of different points :

#1. Yes he is 5-3 on the road but the 3 losses were to good defenses while this 5 wins came against Cleveland, Jacksonville, Seattle, Tennessee, and StL which are hardly steller defenses.

#2. And while he has been 5-3 on the road, he has yet to see an atmosphere like this. He is winless during the playoffs which is 0-0

#3. He was born in 1987

In conclusion, he has done well against teams everyone does well against and faired less well against better defenses like ours. He is young and will show less poise then a vet who has been there and knows what to expect.

If the defense sets out to make Andy 1 dimentional and forces him to throw, you put the pressure on Andy during a day in an atmosphere that is daunting even for vets.

Given the choice in leaning on your top ranked defense with vets or a mid-level offense led by inexperience, I can not see a logical reason to NOT take advantage of the emotion and let your defense set the tone of the game.

dinkatoid
01-06-2012, 10:48 AM
I would take the ball if I won the toss. There are good arguments for both sides, but the way I see it, our D is at its best when we have a lead and they are forced them into a one dimensional team that has to drop back 40+ times, so our rush can pin their ears back and rush. The way to make this happen is to get on top early.

I think Yates and Dalton are both extremely level-headed for rookies, so I would not be surprised to see them less rattled than most people think. They will still make a mistake or two, as rookies will do, but I expect both teams to not change much up and run pretty balanced game plans. However, the best way to rattle Dalton is to force him to pass as much as possible.

gtexan02
01-06-2012, 10:51 AM
Our offense won't take long to score, and that gives fans time to get into their seats.

If they score on us opening drive, it will kill the crowd.

EVOLVIST
01-06-2012, 02:48 PM
No, he hasn't deferred yet this season when we've won the toss. I do recall him doing it once last season, or maybe it was the season before? :um:

Technically you are correct. Gary has not deferred when winning the toss. But one time this year there was some mix up and the Texans won the toss yet Demeco deferred for some reason. :kubepalm:

I believe John McClain asked Kubiak about it and Kubes kinda brushed it off saying there was a mix up with him and Ryans. I don't know exactly what it was - but I would hope it was Demeco going against the grain, on purpose, and sort of saying, "Sorry coach, I misheard you."

Dutchrudder
01-06-2012, 03:01 PM
Historically, Kubiak has taken the ball every time. Why would he change now?

Iirc, there was a story last year early in the season where Demeco went to the coin toss and we won it. He immediately said defer in spite of Kubiak's order to get the ball. I'm not sure how it went, but I think Alan Burge wrote about that story.

GP
01-06-2012, 03:18 PM
I agree, take the ball, get your scripted drive outta the way and come away with 7. We need to play ahead this game. No need to let them drive the field and deflate the crowd in the first 7 minutes of the game.

Smart people think alike.

machineo
01-06-2012, 03:59 PM
I would love if the defense gifted Yates with great field position from a Bengals 3 and out. It puts your best unit out there, and the crowd gets 2-3 minutes of game clock to scream their 9 year frustrations out.

PureTexan
01-06-2012, 04:01 PM
I would love if the defense gifted Yates with great field position from a Bengals 3 and out. It puts your best unit out there, and the crowd gets 2-3 minutes of game clock to scream their 9 year frustrations out.

exactly....

NastyNate
01-06-2012, 06:53 PM
Couple of different points :

#1. Yes he is 5-3 on the road but the 3 losses were to good defenses while this 5 wins came against Cleveland, Jacksonville, Seattle, Tennessee, and StL which are hardly steller defenses.

#2. And while he has been 5-3 on the road, he has yet to see an atmosphere like this. He is winless during the playoffs which is 0-0

#3. He was born in 1987

In conclusion, he has done well against teams everyone does well against and faired less well against better defenses like ours. He is young and will show less poise then a vet who has been there and knows what to expect.

If the defense sets out to make Andy 1 dimentional and forces him to throw, you put the pressure on Andy during a day in an atmosphere that is daunting even for vets.

Given the choice in leaning on your top ranked defense with vets or a mid-level offense led by inexperience, I can not see a logical reason to NOT take advantage of the emotion and let your defense set the tone of the game.

1. We had the second weakest schedule in the AFC and still lost to teams with losing records which Cincy has not (Indy, Carolina). So your point is not even valid. Hell we played 3 of those teams as well. Point is invalid.

2. He's been to Baltimore and Pittsburgh. How is that not an environment like this? Point also invalid

3. Yates was born in 87 and has 10 fewer starts. Also invalid.

I can't even begin to tell you how less than stellar our offense has been with TJ Yates. In the last 6 games we've managed 9 total touchdowns and TJ has thrown 3 picks. Andy Dalton has thrown 1 pick in the last 5 games and his qb rating goes way up under pressure.

Yes I'm rooting for the Texans, but you're drunk on Kool-aid.

NastyNate
01-06-2012, 06:56 PM
I would love if the defense gifted Yates with great field position from a Bengals 3 and out. It puts your best unit out there, and the crowd gets 2-3 minutes of game clock to scream their 9 year frustrations out.

Really hoping Jacoby greased up his compass and can find upfield. D-Man should give us decent kickoff field position. This is going to be a battle though and you can bet I'll be screaming my ass off!

Oh and btw, I'll have a bottle of aspirin if anyone needs some after screaming so loud. Sec 138 dd. Hit me up, i'll be the giant 6'4" 270 guy shaved head sleeved up... Open invite!

amazing80
01-06-2012, 07:14 PM
1. We had the second weakest schedule in the AFC and still lost to teams with losing records which Cincy has not (Indy, Carolina). So your point is not even valid. Hell we played 3 of those teams as well. So you're wrong.

2. He's been to Baltimore and Pittsburgh. How the hell is that not an environment like this? You're wrong x2

3. Yates was born in 87 and has 10 fewer starts. Stupid point

In closing, dimensional doesn't have a T. I can't even begin to tell you how less than stellar our offense has been with TJ Yates. In the last 6 games we've managed 9 total touchdowns and TJ has thrown 3 picks. Andy Dalton has thrown 1 pick in the last 5 games and his qb rating goes way up under pressure.

Yes I'm rooting for the Texans, but you're a blind homer. Go play on the houstontexans.com forums. You'll fit in perfectly there.

Im not a mod, but this is EXACTLY the crap that is not needed on ANY FORUM....The guy made valid points and you debated him, no need to insult him and tell him where to post. Not to be a d!ck, but YOU are the one being out of line right now.

NastyNate
01-06-2012, 07:24 PM
Im not a mod, but this is EXACTLY the crap that is not needed on ANY FORUM....The guy made valid points and you debated him, no need to insult him and tell him where to post. Not to be a d!ck, but YOU are the one being out of line right now.

I never said he was out of line. I said he was blinded by homerism. It happens to us all. I will tone it down a tad, but I'm a forward thinking individual who can see the perspective of football, not simply drown in the basking glory of Houston Texans lore. I think the sheer electricity running through my veins for the game tomorrow has me on edge. I shall calm down.

Nate

DocBar
01-06-2012, 07:32 PM
So... you care about the rat's ass? Interesting... very interesting...He has a tiny little weewee. It's all genetic. LOL

DocBar
01-06-2012, 07:33 PM
So... you care about the rat's ass? Interesting... very interesting...He has a tiny little weewee. It's all genetic. LOL
I voted kick it and let the D set up the first score.

amazing80
01-06-2012, 09:56 PM
I never said he was out of line. I said he was blinded by homerism. It happens to us all. I will tone it down a tad, but I'm a forward thinking individual who can see the perspective of football, not simply drown in the basking glory of Houston Texans lore. I think the sheer electricity running through my veins for the game tomorrow has me on edge. I shall calm down.

Nate

Oh I know all about electricity running through the veins....We are all super pumped for this game!!!! Hopefully tomorrow we come away with a HUGE win, that way no one on the board goes a-wall....and blind homerism has its way with all of us at some point :cowboy1:

kiwitexansfan
01-06-2012, 09:59 PM
Receive, try to get Yates in the groove early without the potential of having to chase the game.

Yates is the key to this game in my opinion, we need him to be able to get the ball out and down the field.

Norg
01-06-2012, 10:24 PM
always ge the ball if u win the coin toss that way it gives more people to get to there seat and get rdy to be loud :kingkong:

and guyz if we are down by like 21 points on sat plzzz dont let that kill the crowd lets be loud for 60 mins !!!!!!!!!!!1 :P

TheMatrix31
01-06-2012, 10:48 PM
How about a Pittsburgh game-esque drive? 19 plays, 95 yards to open up the game?

Gimme the ball first. Hopefully score. Give Yates some confidence. I'd actually even consider trying that first play we did against Tampa.

Then unleash the dogs of hell.

burro
01-06-2012, 10:52 PM
For once, I agree with Kubiak's logic. You always take the ball if you can get it. If the offense comes out and scores a TD the Bengals will have to play from behind, which is always deflating for a team. It works in reverse too if we were to defer. Plus, for those talking about utilizing a pumped up crowd - I would think Reliant would be even more thunderous if we put up a TD on our first drive.

NastyNate
01-06-2012, 10:52 PM
How about a Pittsburgh game-esque drive? 19 plays, 95 yards to open up the game?

Gimme the ball first. Hopefully score. Give Yates some confidence. I'd actually even consider trying that first play we did against Tampa.

Then unleash the dogs of hell.

I'd like to see the naked boot and sneak the TE back across the field a la the oakland game.

Nitrofish
01-07-2012, 04:36 AM
Offense.

I don't care how loud it would be for the Bengals' offense if we elected to kick to them, you don't give Dalton and his offense a chance to drive the field and kill clock.

You get the ball, run your plays and eat the clock...hopefully get points off of it, then let your defense support your points. Let our D have something to defend.

I was all set to answer Defer, but dammit you have a great point here. Need to control that clock and keep the Bengals on the sidelines and much as possible.

Both sides have great points and I would usually say get the ball 1st in the 2nd half with a chance to adjust, but you have swayed me and I am voting take the rock, then proceed to run it down their throat.

hradhak
01-07-2012, 08:37 AM
I clicked defense first but I can see the logic in getting the crowd pumped after a TD. My feeling is that if you can take a lead into the half, and get the ball in the second half, you can take a long leisurely stroll in the second half and keep your defense on the sidelines.

That said, there's a lot of momentum that comes with scoring first and putting your defense up with a pumped crowd.

amazing80
01-07-2012, 08:45 AM
But in this scenario i think our crowd will already be jacked, and I doubt most of them will stay quiet for our offense....too much energy to receive first