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CretorFrigg
01-02-2012, 02:43 AM
Would you start TJ Yates or Delhomme in the playoffs?

My first vote goes to TJ Yates. He's got more upside than Delhomme. Delhomme's shown us what he's capable of, especially during the playoffs. He's not going to radically change. He's a turnover waiting to happen.

TJ Yates is still growing as a rookie and learning. He's struggled the last few games, but he was on target and confident on the first drive against the Titans. We don't know what to expect from him, but he's got way more potential.

Norg
01-02-2012, 03:14 AM
I hope this does not happen but this is how i see it play out


T sizzle or freaking Ravens NT CODY or someone knocks/lights tj up thus taking him out of the game Jake comes in and leads us to victory beatin the ravens

Scooter
01-02-2012, 04:35 AM
delhomme by a mile. in a year or two i take yates, but on THIS team in THIS season, we need a game manager ... not a rookie that we have to alter the offense and routes for. anyone saying the offense doesnt change for yates is absolutely full of it.

take away potential, next season, madden, and possibilities. strip it down to the Texans' best chance of winning playoff games this season. delhomme is more capable of delivering.

Marcus
01-02-2012, 05:48 AM
Delhomme.

Both of them are turnovers waiting to happen, but I'll take the turnover waiting to happen that has some playoff experience.

Come to think of it, Matt Schaub was a turnover waiting to happen. As a matter of fact, all NFL QBs are turnovers waiting to happen.

Nitrofish
01-02-2012, 06:05 AM
I like Yates and commend him for what he has accomplished, but on a treacherous mountain road, (the playoffs) I would rather have an experienced bus driver who knows the route inside and out, even if he does have a few fender benders, than a wounded rookie on his first trip. I voted for Delhomme.

If you take the wait and see approach, the bus may already be off the cliff.

SheTexan
01-02-2012, 06:27 AM
I voted TJ, simply because he's probably our future starter, but, I don't think it really matters this year. Kubiak is running the show, so we'll probably be history after next Sat. I hope I'm wrong, and the man grows some between now and then, but, just like waiting 10 yrs for my team to make the playoffs, I've waited 5 yrs for Kubes to grow as a HC! We'll see what the man is really made of next Sat. Personally, I think he'll have a noose around the neck of either QB.

Scooter
01-02-2012, 06:58 AM
if we want to force ourselves into the superbowl, it matters this year. i think you're right that yates is the future, but apparently i have more optimism. i'm going to my first game in 2 years (season ticket holder since 04 unable to cope with the highs and lows in person) next week. damned if i'm going into it with the mindset of "well, we're working on next season" or "kubiak is going to put a strangle hold on this one ...".

the post season is what kubiak builds for. shannahan as well as any bronco will tell you that kubiak's far sighted playcalling lead to their superbowl wins. we're there. the week 1 offset bunch and week 17 split TE inside WR set may very well be combined focal points because we executed each in game situations. at the same time, he's sitting on next game's week 4 three tightend and week 13 stacked ace weak formations because of the safety matchup. the man catches a ton of hell, and if we lose it'll be a hurricane, but there's noone else i'd want calling the shots in the postseason because he has literally been setting this up all season.

ObsiWan
01-02-2012, 07:57 AM
This is a tougher call than I thought it would be.
T.J.
+ Been in the offense longer; should know it better
+ Younger and likely a bit faster if he has to run
- Is a bit dinged up and I worry if that will affect his longer/deeper throws
- Doesn't always keep his eyes downfield when avoiding the rush

Jake
+ More playoff experience (went toe-to-toe with Brady in the 2003 SB; threw for 330+ yds, 3 TDs, no INTs)
+ Appears to keep the play alive longer than TJ by moving around in the pocket. Keeps eyes downfield while so doing
- Not here long enough to know the whole playbook. Don't want our offense any more limited than it is
- Accuracy could be a shade better; I saw a couple of balls thrown behind folks. ...but that could be rust.

I think I would give the edge to TJ just because of his additional experience in our offense. But I wouldn't be too skeerd if Jake had to come in off the bench. I'm probably alone in this but liked what I saw from Jake more than what I saw from Leinart. ...and Leinart had 1st-stringers to throw to.

Kthx
01-02-2012, 08:48 AM
I have to go with TJ here, hes already beaten the Bengals once this year so for the next game at least I would much rather have TJ in. But Jake did come in looking halfway decent I wouldn't mind if he had to jump in for some reason at the half if things were looking bad either.

SeminoleTexan
01-02-2012, 09:49 AM
I'd go with TJ Yates since he's been in the offense longer and during the game yesterday the announcers mentioned that he had been working on new plays and stuff during the past week. At least we know that Jake will be ready to come in if TJ happens to get hurt or gets rattled.

TexCanada
01-02-2012, 10:41 AM
I voted TJ based on the assumption that he will be healthy and not affected by his injury. Delhomme should he the guy though if TJ is affected at all by this injury.

TejasTom
01-02-2012, 10:47 AM
I liked what TJ did in the first drive.

Porky
01-02-2012, 10:57 AM
Delhomme is my vote. Not that it matters.

TJ is clearly a better runner. His arm may be a tad better. He is the more experienced QB in THIS offense. He's played more games this year. All of these factors favor TJ. At this stage, he has more physical ability than Jake as well.

Delhomme is a veteran who has seen everything, and played on the biggest stage an NFL QB can. I like his deep ball better in terms of accuracy. While he can't run, I like his ability to duck and sidestep better while keeping eyes downfield. Those are vet moves. He seemed to take more intermediate targets and WR targets than TJ, who is in love with the RB's and TE's 10 yds and in. TJ rarely throws between 12-25 yds. Delhomme will and I think that helps our running game. OTOH, he was clearly pretty rusty and his accuracy was off at times.

To me, it's almost a tie until you talk about experience and experience in the playoffs trumps physical ability every time.

Schaub is clearly better than both put together imho but Matt is on crutches and it is what it is. Neither of these guys at this stage in their respective career can take this team to the SB so it's probably a moot point.

Corrosion
01-02-2012, 11:49 AM
At this time the poll is 23-21 in favor of Yates .... Pretty close call. I cant make up my mind .... much like this poll , Im on the fence. :boogereater:

Texanator
01-02-2012, 12:02 PM
Until we can get our receivers to catch the @$%^ ball, it's almost a moot point.

I like T.J., but he needs a little bit longer to understand the pros.(Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore)

Jake has the experience we need to go deep in the playoffs, even if he is a bit old.
I have to go with Jake!

On this matter, do we know for sure, just how banged up TJ got against the Tits?

EllisUnit
01-02-2012, 12:31 PM
i'm really surprised so many people voted for Jake, this is the same titans team we beat 41-7 when schaub was healthy. Jake didnt look bad yesterday, but the kid has dont good things for us, and he has already beaten the bengals in their house. Now we play them at home, no u stay with TJ.

Dont forget a few bad passes Jake had that should of been INTs yetserday, One was a terrible throw and the CB would of had the pick 6 luckily the player had just eaten popcorn and dropped it.

Lucky
01-02-2012, 12:35 PM
I don't want to knock Jake. It was his first game in over a year and he's been with the team for a month. But he threw what should have been a pick 6, lost a fumble, and was generally erratic. He's rusty. He did a commendable job on Sunday, considering. Still, starting Jake over TJ at this point makes no sense. And is why Kubiak will start TJ on Saturday.

Texecutioner
01-02-2012, 12:35 PM
i'm really surprised so many people voted for Jake, this is the same titans team we beat 41-7 when schaub was healthy. Jake didnt look bad yesterday, but the kid has dont good things for us, and he has already beaten the bengals in their house. Now we play them at home, no u stay with TJ.

Dont forget a few bad passes Jake had that should of been INTs yetserday, One was a terrible throw and the CB would of had the pick 6 luckily the player had just eaten popcorn and dropped it.

You don't stay with TJ Yates because of that. Yates hasn't looked good at all.

I'm not saying it's an easy decision to go with Jake either. He's one of the last options I'd ever want to see at QB, but so is Yates right now.


We're ****ed either way, and we'll have to hope that our defense and running game can make some major plays.

Lucky
01-02-2012, 12:41 PM
Yates hasn't looked good at all.
That's just not accurate. Yates had good moments in the Atlanta and Cincy game. He looked good in the opening drive, yesterday. And Kubiak has dialed back the playbook, especially since clinching. Not looked good "at all"? That's flat out wrong.

axman40
01-02-2012, 12:43 PM
I would like to see Yates start in hurry up mode and force the Bengals to stay in their base defense.
:fans:

False Start
01-02-2012, 12:50 PM
Delhomme IMO. TJ has looked bad the past few weeks. Delhomme has had playoff experience, and didn't look too shabby yesterday.

Then again, TJ looked pretty good himself yesterday on that fist drive, so you never know.

Playoffs
01-02-2012, 02:09 PM
Dance with the one that brung ya.

Invest this playoff experience into Yate's growth ... he's a Texan.

Delhomme won't be here next year.

CretorFrigg
01-02-2012, 02:29 PM
TJ could surprise us in the playoffs.

Delhomme was sitting on his couch, watching football on Sunday like the rest of us before Rick Smith gave him a call. We know what we're going to get with him, and it's mediocrity.

Joeycharp89
01-02-2012, 03:10 PM
Dance with the one that brung ya.

Invest this playoff experience into Yate's growth ... he's a Texan.

Delhomme won't be here next year.

I agree with this. If we can keep him I think he'd be a great replacement for Schaub down the road. Going into the Superbowl this year would be great, but I'd like to keep building on the strong base we are building, and become a consistent contender for many years to come.

Marcus
01-02-2012, 03:26 PM
I could care less that Delhomme won't be here next year. I'm concerned about the here and now, as in this Saturday's playoff game.

CretorFrigg
01-02-2012, 04:05 PM
I could care less that Delhomme won't be here next year. I'm concerned about the here and now, as in this Saturday's playoff game.

That's what people keep saying, but how is Delhomme better right now? He was unemployed until we signed him. He was unemployed for a reason, and it probably wasn't because he's very good.

Delhomme played well against a bad Titans team. Great. Have you seen his resume? It isn't exactly the best.

TJ could play very well for us during the playoffs, even better than Delhomme.

TexanSam
01-02-2012, 04:07 PM
At this time the poll is 23-21 in favor of Yates .... Pretty close call. I cant make up my mind .... much like this poll , Im on the fence. :boogereater:

TJ Yates family and friends must have registered and all voted. It's now 51-23. Really weird to see a poll that was that so close get so lopsided that fast.

Playoffs
01-02-2012, 05:07 PM
Done.

HoustonTexans Houston Texans
Kubiak: Yates good at preparation. Gampelan knowledge is good, quick thinker on field, sharp on gameday, handles the group well.
31 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

HoustonTexans Houston Texans
Kubiak: If Yates can play, he's going to play. Was sharp yesterday. He's best QB for our football team.
31 minutes ago

BullBlitz
01-02-2012, 06:30 PM
Dance with the one that brung ya.

We can't. Schaub is on injured reserve.

EVOLVIST
01-02-2012, 07:16 PM
TJ Yates.

If it's any consolation Yates has shown progress in his completion precentage with each start: 48%, 59.1%, 63.3%, 81.3%, 100%.

After his game with 2 picks he has not thrown another pick. Of course he hasn't thrown a TD either.

If anything, it's super commendable that the Yates shows a shit ton of confidence.

Either he'll do it or he won't.

Yates' 82.6 QB rating puts him only over Flacco & Dalton out of the QBs starting in the playoffs. That's not good. But it puts him over 18 other starters in the NFL.

ObsiWan
01-02-2012, 07:23 PM
Off topic...

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/BHS2copy.jpg

:lol:
how do you come up with these things

Texan_Bill
01-02-2012, 07:29 PM
Off topic...

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/BHS2copy.jpg

:lol:
how do you come up with these things

:spit:


**************

As to the original post??? :thinking:

:mcnugget:

Playoffs
01-02-2012, 07:43 PM
Off topic...

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/BHS2copy.jpgMSR :gathering:

ObsiWan
01-02-2012, 08:02 PM
:spit:


**************

As to the original post??? :thinking:

:mcnugget:

oh.... I have to stay on topic...?
:headhurts:

I dunno, I'm gonna say Yates. And that's just based on the fact he's been here longer and should know more of the offense. He was 4 for 4 yesterday. ...none very long though...

I really liked the way Delhomme moved the team... but his accuracy was a tad off a couple of times that could have turned out uuug-leeee

Dutchrudder
01-02-2012, 08:10 PM
Off topic...

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/BHS2copy.jpg

:lol:
how do you come up with these things

Have you not been to the team's merchandise store?

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/bunghole_liquors.jpg

2BCF
01-02-2012, 09:05 PM
Not to take anything away from TJ, but for me, gotta go with experience: Delhomme

Texan_Bill
01-02-2012, 09:10 PM
oh.... I have to stay on topic...?
:headhurts:

I dunno, I'm gonna say Yates. And that's just based on the fact he's been here longer and should know more of the offense. He was 4 for 4 yesterday. ...none very long though...

I really liked the way Delhomme moved the team... but his accuracy was a tad off a couple of times that could have turned out uuug-leeee

Yeah... :thinking: **** THAT, Bungholes SUCK!!!

KA4Texan
01-02-2012, 09:56 PM
Not to take anything away from TJ, but for me, gotta go with experience: Delhomme

IMO, THIS.

If TJ had a few years on him in the league it would easily be TJ (most likely) but right now the line is so thin choosing between the two, I wish Schaub were an option.

Regardless of who is out there I will be supporting my team over a specific QB.

rush2112mn
01-02-2012, 10:04 PM
I think I would go with TJ....he won in Cincy and has faced that team already once.
He had a great opening drive this past Sunday. I think he is improving.
Delhomme did some good things...but had a issue with ball security.
Delhomme did have some down field throws.
If you listened to his post game comments you heard the word learn....still learning......learned so much in the past month....
So he is still trying to get aqainted with this offense.

I just think you go with TJ right now. However, if TJ struggles on Saturday I have no problem with bringing in Delhomme if things go bad for TJ.

PHAROAH
01-02-2012, 11:33 PM
Go with TJ he knows the offense better and Andre is back so it's ride or die and if he falters early then we can go with the Vet in a pinch.

dream_team
01-02-2012, 11:45 PM
Delhomme has basically played 3 quarters of football this season, and you guys are ready to hand him the keys in the Texans first ever playoff game?

Yates has played pretty much 5 games, as well as been with us all season, not to mention already beat this very same Bengal team.

This is a no-brainer for me. TJ!

Nitrofish
01-03-2012, 03:52 AM
Delhomme has basically played 3 quarters of football this season, and you guys are ready to hand him the keys in the Texans first ever playoff game?

Yates has played pretty much 5 games, as well as been with us all season, not to mention already beat this very same Bengal team.

This is a no-brainer for me. TJ!

Kind of a silly argument when you consider TJ had played 0 quarters of football when we handed the keys to him. Besides you make it sound as if Delhomme is a career backup or a rookie himself. Delhomme has tons of game and playoff experience.

You might also want to keep in mind the Bengals were missing key players in their secondary when TJ carved them up during those last two drives. Allot more tape on TJ now and those missing players will be back in the lineup now.

Check out a few of the records Delhomme holds.


Tied for most post-season road victories by a quarterback in NFL history (tied with Len Dawson, Roger Staubach, Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco)
Longest pass in the Super Bowl in NFL History (85 yard pass to Mushin Muhammad) (SB XXXVIII)


I think people are voting with their hearts not their head IMO, and I can understand why. Great young kid who will forever have a place in our hearts after the Falcons and Bengals games. Everyone roots for the underdog and in this case I can definitely understand why.

There is no question it is Yates that will start, but if he is not getting it done by halftime, I think Kubiak has to give him the hook.

We will see. Is it Saturday yet?!

Malloy
01-03-2012, 07:17 AM
Hm... tough one, can't decide.

I like our rookie and love to see him get the chance. I also liked how we started throwing more than 2-yard passes once Delhomme came in.

Either way we're screwed, but since there's always a chance, I'll probably go with TJ, for the fairytale rollercoaster value alone :)

Trail.Blazr
01-03-2012, 09:10 AM
Kind of a silly argument when you consider TJ had played 0 quarters of football when we handed the keys to him. Besides you make it sound as if Delhomme is a career backup or a rookie himself. Delhomme has tons of game and playoff experience.

You might also want to keep in mind the Bengals were missing key players in their secondary when TJ carved them up during those last two drives. Allot more tape on TJ now and those missing players will be back in the lineup now.

Check out a few of the records Delhomme holds.


Tied for most post-season road victories by a quarterback in NFL history (tied with Len Dawson, Roger Staubach, Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco)
Longest pass in the Super Bowl in NFL History (85 yard pass to Mushin Muhammad) (SB XXXVIII)


I think people are voting with their hearts not their head IMO, and I can understand why. Great young kid who will forever have a place in our hearts after the Falcons and Bengals games. Everyone roots for the underdog and in this case I can definitely understand why.

There is no question it is Yates that will start, but if he is not getting it done by halftime, I think Kubiak has to give him the hook.

We will see. Is it Saturday yet?!


Mark Sanchez :yikes: I'm in!

My big concern with Jake is based on recent history.
- He was dreadful in his last couple of seasons with Carolina
- He was ushered out of Cleveland in leiu of Colt McCoy. I'll give him a flier there, as he probably was not considered the future of that franchise.
- He's only played one game this season and looked OK, but could have looked worse... almost as he played worse than his stats would indicate.

On the flip side, when I try to look at positives of his recent history... I simply draw a blank.

I feel overall, given the options in this poll, TJ gives you more of a methodical approach on offense, while Jake is more of a Gunslinger out there for one last hoorah.

Given that TJ is way more inline with how this offense is built, I has to be TJ for me, as he's already proven that he CAN win a tough game.

I'm like tex though.... I don't have a whole lot of optimism on this team's prognosis of getting to the superbowl on the shoulders of either man.

Calface4
01-03-2012, 10:03 AM
Is this seriously even a question?? Yates looked amazing against tennessee. On his only drive he was 4/4 with 47 yards and no INT. He converted on difficult third and long (lets not forget our 3rd down efficiency problems in the last couple games...he's only getting better). And some of you are saying that his shoulder injury might affect his play? It's his non throwing shoulder for crying out loud!!! We can just inject his shoulder with some anti-pain medication and he should be good to go. It would be a horrible mistake to go with delhomme. Stick with yates. He has been the plan all along.

HOU-TEX
01-03-2012, 10:40 AM
Unfortunately, it's simple for me.

T.J. = Knows the entire playbook

Delhomme = Does not

Jake all but admitted he was learning a lot of plays on the fly in Sundays game. I'll take the QB who understands the system as a whole over a guy that was limited to "emergency" type plays before Sunday.

In the end, there's a chance we might win the Bengals game, but I'm not expecting to go much further.

Nitrofish
01-03-2012, 10:53 AM
Is this seriously even a question?? Yates looked amazing against tennessee. On his only drive he was 4/4 with 47 yards and no INT. He converted on difficult third and long (lets not forget our 3rd down efficiency problems in the last couple games...he's only getting better). And some of you are saying that his shoulder injury might affect his play? It's his non throwing shoulder for crying out loud!!! We can just inject his shoulder with some anti-pain medication and he should be good to go. It would be a horrible mistake to go with delhomme. Stick with yates. He has been the plan all along.

Yeah.. just inject it... then he gets sacked again by another 300 lb nose tackle landing on him and smashing him and his injured shoulder into the turf just like against the Titans. Same way Leinart was injured.

Even an injury on a non throwing shoulder is going to effect him. The other arm is used for balance during the throwing motion. Unless you are telling me he is not going to get sacked all game, I think chances are we will see Delhomme.

Don't you think they will be after that shoulder when pass rushing? I know I would be especially after what he did to them last time.

mussop
01-03-2012, 11:09 AM
I would like to see Yates start in hurry up mode and force the Bengals to stay in their base defense.
:fans:

Not with Kubiac coaching. This is where the "offensive genius" should pull out all the stops. But I bet he goes straight vanilla.

drunkcookie
01-03-2012, 11:18 AM
I can't vote, too tough of a decision...

I like Yates, and think he can be the future QB of this franchise in a few years if Schaub is done, but that's "in a few years"... The question is "It's the playoffs in 2012, who should start at QB for the Texans?"

I don't think that there is a cut and dry answer to the question... We're not talking a one vs. a four here, we're talking a three vs. a four, and right now, with that three only making his first NFL start a month ago tomorrow, there's no real separation between the two QBs in question, IMO... And have we really seen enough in this short time to say either way?

Then we have the four (Delhomme).. he sucked in his last gig, and was sucking the gig prior to his last one... But would the three have done any better in those situations? I doubt it...

Too tough of a call... But if i had a gun to my head, I'd go with Yates, just because he's been in the system longer and has had more time to gel with the receivers... and i don't think i'd enjoy being shot in the head...

It is very tempting to go with The Vet over The Kid, though.. Delhomme looked comfortable running the offense Sunday, and has that playoff experience and more experience period...

screw it, i'll go with The Ve *boom*

Calface4
01-03-2012, 11:19 AM
Yeah.. just inject it... then he gets sacked again by another 300 lb nose tackle landing on him and smashing him and his injured shoulder into the turf just like against the Titans. Same way Leinart was injured.

Even an injury on a non throwing shoulder is going to effect him. The other arm is used for balance during the throwing motion. Unless you are telling me he is not going to get sacked all game, I think chances are we will see Delhomme.

Don't you think they will be after that shoulder when pass rushing? I know I would be especially after what he did to them last time.

What i am saying is that you stick with Yates even if he is a little banged up. I would feel much more comfortable starting yates who has been with this system since august rather than delhomme who has been here since december. If yates goes down then delhomme would be the "next man up". Delhomme isn't our best option! Yates is..

Double Barrel
01-03-2012, 12:21 PM
There is a reason why Jake Delholme was not even a backup on an NFL team and was available for us late in a season.

Our head coach says TJ Yates is the man, so I'm good with it. He's got his reasons, and he's not going to make a decision based on emotions or other intangibles. He's going to make the decision for what is best for the team. I know many folks think otherwise at times, but Kubiak > fans.

Mr teX
01-03-2012, 12:26 PM
TJ only b/c at this point, you've gotta ride with him...can't take the reins from the kid now that he's gotten us here. We also need to find out what we have in him; a guy that can possibly give Schaub some comp in a year, or just a quality back-up. If he fails miserably in the playoffs, it was expected if he flourishes, we will almost assuredly have our qb of the near future.

dream_team
01-03-2012, 12:36 PM
Is it because of his TD drive at the end of the game we're making Delhomme's performance seem better than it actually was? I think he was solid, and he performed better than I expected, but he didn't have such a good game to make me start to think we should start him over Yates.

Take a look again at the offense's performance while he was in. 45% of the time we went 3 & out. In actuality, he only drove the offense down the field in one series (Series 7). The big play in series 4 was a penalty, and series 5 was due to the long run by Tate. I give him alot of credit for the last drive, but it did start on the TEN 36.

Series 1
3 & out

Series 2
3 & out

Series 3
Delhomme fumble

Series 4
52 yard FG
3-4 for 31 yards, big play was an unneccessary roughness penalty

Series 5
37 yard FG
Mostly due to the Tate 56 yard run. Delhomme completed one screen pass for 9 yards.

Series 6
3 & out

Series 7
Rackers 22 yard FG
3-4 for 60 yards

Series 8
3 & out

Series 9
3 & out

Series 10
Nice 40 yard completion to Johnson, but went 3 & out right after that.

Series 11
Nice drive to get game winning TD, but he actually only had to go 36 yards

Now I'm not trying to take anything away from Delhomme's performance, I think he played solid. But he didn't have such a great performance that we should start him over our starter of the past 5 weeks and been with us the whole season.

The Pencil Neck
01-03-2012, 12:46 PM
I can see the arguments from both sides but... I'm just glad I don't have to make the decision. I'm fine with it either way.

My heart says TJ. It would be an epic story if this 5th round draft choice could come in and win some playoff games. AND, I think it's the first time two rookies have ever faced each other as starters in an NFL Playoff game. TJ knows the entire offense and he's shown the guts to win games at the end.

My head says Delhomme. He may not know the entire playbook, but he looked pretty good playing with a bunch of backups against the Titan's 1st string. His past couple of years in Carolina and Cleveland were terrible and he showed hints of that with his ball security. But he's been to the Super Bowl and he's shown at times in his career that he could make things happen.

I couldn't vote either way.

drunkcookie
01-03-2012, 12:48 PM
There is a reason why Jake Delholme was not even a backup on an NFL team and was available for us late in a season.
.

I can agree that Yates should start, and agree Kubiak probably knows what's best here (he's the QB guru), but i don't think your take quoted above really says anything...

Like i said earlier, we're talking 3 vs. 4 here, not 1 or even 2 vs. 4... Just as there's a reason Delhomme was on the street, there's also a reason Yates was a 3rd string QB... Neither of their situations would suggest greatness...

ObsiWan
01-03-2012, 12:50 PM
I have a related question - and maybe it needs it's own thread - but who would you keep as the third guy next season?

Leinart or Delhomme?

Double Barrel
01-03-2012, 12:56 PM
I can agree that Yates should start, and agree Kubiak probably knows what's best here (he's the QB guru), but i don't think your take quoted above really says anything...

Like i said earlier, we're talking 3 vs. 4 here, not 1 or even 2 vs. 4... Just as there's a reason Delhomme was on the street, there's also a reason Yates was a 3rd string QB... Neither of their situations would suggest greatness...

Yates was third string QB on the roster because he's a late round rookie. This team did not need a starting QB, so they picked him up for development. Somebody would have drafted TJ in the next couple of rounds. We have already read the news stories.

Delhomme was not employed because he is not that good now. Otherwise, he'd be on someone's roster as a backup. It's not rocket science here. The Texans were desperate and took whatever they could get.

drunkcookie
01-03-2012, 01:08 PM
Yates was third string QB on the roster because he's a late round rookie. This team did not need a starting QB, so they picked him up for development. Somebody would have drafted TJ in the next couple of rounds. We have already read the news stories.

Delhomme was not employed because he is not that good now. Otherwise, he'd be on someone's roster as a backup. It's not rocket science here. The Texans were desperate and took whatever they could get.

I get that, but he's still a 5th round draft pick and a rookie who needs development, which is why he was a 3rd string QB, behind Matt Leinhart who hadn't done much better than Delhomme his previous go...

Not arguing for Delhomme over Yates, I've just heard and seen your point about Delhomme a few times and i just don't feel it means much when comparing him to a 3rd string, practice squad quarterback, which is one step away from the curb...

Mr teX
01-03-2012, 01:17 PM
I have a related question - and maybe it needs it's own thread - but who would you keep as the third guy next season?

Leinart or Delhomme?

Delhomme easy only b/c the little i saw of lienart in the jags game i didn't like. Specifically, i didn't think he looked like a guy who'd been in this system for a year plus; he looked uncomfortable...that's troubling in & of itself. Contrast that with how TJ played when he 1st got in & now Delhomme, its' almost night & day imo. Of course too, his arm was still on little league pop-gun status & that this is the 2nd time he's broken his collarbone since he's been in the league...not good.

People talk about schaub... But just based on what has happened to Lienart thus far in his career here & in AZ, this dude is mentally soft, physically soft & even throws soft... the poster child for someone who can't survive in the NFL at qb.

Double Barrel
01-03-2012, 01:21 PM
I get that, but he's still a 5th round draft pick and a rookie who needs development, which is why he was a 3rd string QB, behind Matt Leinhart who hadn't done much better than Delhomme his previous go...

Not arguing for Delhomme over Yates, I've just heard and seen your point about Delhomme a few times and i just don't feel it means much when comparing him to a 3rd string, practice squad quarterback, which is one step away from the curb...

I think it's just a matter of each QB being on opposite ends of their careers. Jake was pretty much retired when he got the call. Dude wasn't even working out to compete for a job at the time. I think I heard that he had just returned from a trip to Disney with his family when he got called.

TJ is obviously a rookie, but his upside is greater simply because we don't know what he's got for a ceiling and he's much more mobile. Plus, he's more familiar with this offense, both in terms of his college career and his time with the team.

disaacks3
01-03-2012, 01:24 PM
delhomme by a mile. in a year or two i take yates, but on THIS team in THIS season, we need a game manager ... not a rookie that we have to alter the offense and routes for. anyone saying the offense doesnt change for yates is absolutely full of it.

take away potential, next season, madden, and possibilities. strip it down to the Texans' best chance of winning playoff games this season. delhomme is more capable of delivering. Not for me.

Unfortunately, it's simple for me.

T.J. = Knows the entire playbook

Delhomme = Does not

Jake all but admitted he was learning a lot of plays on the fly in Sundays game. I'll take the QB who understands the system as a whole over a guy that was limited to "emergency" type plays before Sunday.

In the end, there's a chance we might win the Bengals game, but I'm not expecting to go much further. ...and this is why! and I give us better than a "chance" to win against the Bengals.

drunkcookie
01-03-2012, 01:47 PM
I think it's just a matter of each QB being on opposite ends of their careers. Jake was pretty much retired when he got the call. Dude wasn't even working out to compete for a job at the time. I think I heard that he had just returned from a trip to Disney with his family when he got called.

TJ is obviously a rookie, but his upside is greater simply because we don't know what he's got for a ceiling and he's much more mobile. Plus, he's more familiar with this offense, both in terms of his college career and his time with the team.

I agree with pretty much everything you said there, including TJ's celing... I also agree about the mobility, except that from what i saw Sunday I'd prefer Delhomme's pocket presence over TJ's mobility... It's something TJ will probably improve at over time...

But we're talking about four days from now, not four or even two seasons from now... I'd probably go with TJ over Jake this Saturday, for one of the same reasons you gave:,7 experience in this system...also his experience with the parts within the system... But i can't say it's because i value a rookie third string practice squad QB more than a street vet... I just don't think that because he was on a team and Delhomme wasn't means he's the better option "right now"... Both were at the bottom...

Appreciate the back-and-forth...rep to you...

Nitrofish
01-03-2012, 02:18 PM
Is it because of his TD drive at the end of the game we're making Delhomme's performance seem better than it actually was? I think he was solid, and he performed better than I expected, but he didn't have such a good game to make me start to think we should start him over Yates.

Take a look again at the offense's performance while he was in. 45% of the time we went 3 & out. In actuality, he only drove the offense down the field in one series (Series 7). The big play in series 4 was a penalty, and series 5 was due to the long run by Tate. I give him alot of credit for the last drive, but it did start on the TEN 36.

Series 1
3 & out

Series 2
3 & out

Series 3
Delhomme fumble

Series 4
52 yard FG
3-4 for 31 yards, big play was an unneccessary roughness penalty

Series 5
37 yard FG
Mostly due to the Tate 56 yard run. Delhomme completed one screen pass for 9 yards.

Series 6
3 & out

Series 7
Rackers 22 yard FG
3-4 for 60 yards

Series 8
3 & out

Series 9
3 & out

Series 10
Nice 40 yard completion to Johnson, but went 3 & out right after that.

Series 11
Nice drive to get game winning TD, but he actually only had to go 36 yards

Now I'm not trying to take anything away from Delhomme's performance, I think he played solid. But he didn't have such a great performance that we should start him over our starter of the past 5 weeks and been with us the whole season.

I think you're forgetting one important thing here. Delhomme was playing with the 2's and 3's, not the starters all though some were in there. His passes looked good especially for someone sittin' on his ranch all year.

I agree Kubiak knows what he is doing and I am behind him and whomever is playing QB. I too would hate to have to make this decision. We all know Kubiak is a loyal guy and while I admire that in him, sometimes he takes it too far.

In any case I do not think it will matter. Yates is injured and one good sack from being lost for the game so Delhomme may see action anyway. I sure hope I am wrong, but those D Linemen are going to be after Yates and that shoulder every snap.

Nitrofish
01-03-2012, 03:26 PM
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BetaV1
01-03-2012, 03:45 PM
I voted Yates. Although I don't get this notion of "Yates later, Delhomme now." Either Yates is good to start or he isn't. He's had a few career starts by now without the benefit of Andre. If he's not ready now, he won't be ready later.

Also, Yates is not the future. :kitten: Another topic for another time, but I just wanted to share my opinion.

burro
01-03-2012, 04:58 PM
Yates, without question. He's played well enough and knows the playbook better than Delhomme. Delhomme also has a reputation for being a turnover machine. That didn't come out in the last game, but it would only be a matter of time.

Double Barrel
01-03-2012, 05:27 PM
I just heard Charlie Palilo mention on his radio show that Delhomme's last playoff game saw him turn the ball over 6 times! Yikes! Not the guy I want to see tossing the ball in our first playoff game. I'll take my chances with the rookie, who at least proved something or another a few weeks ago when they clinched the AFCS.

GP
01-03-2012, 05:33 PM
I have a related question - and maybe it needs it's own thread - but who would you keep as the third guy next season?

Leinart or Delhomme?

Daylight come and me want Delhomme.

Not even close. I wasn't rooting for a Matt Leinart injury, but let's just say that but by the time he had played awhile in that Jags game and got drilled into the field...it was time to say goodbye to the Leinart era here. Seriously.

The guy was soooooo slow with everything. Supposedly, he had been working A LOT on his footwork. I didn't see it; he was laboriously slogging back on his drop backs. His throwing motion looked half-speed. I mean, Yates came in and the ball is out of his hand and on its way...he can scramble and get yards.

Delhomme might not want to come back. I don't have proof, but it just doesn't seem he wants to be 3rd QB. Neither will Garcia. Just have a hunch that they both won't want to come back as 3rd QB, maybe not even as 2nd QB.

michaelm
01-03-2012, 05:36 PM
The original question was Yates or Delhomme in the playoffs, but I think there are two separate questions worth asking.

1) Yates or Delhomme against Cincy?
2) Yates or Delhomme in the playoffs?

I say that because I think both QBs are capable of beating Cincy.
QB play will obviously be important in this game, but it becomes way more critical on the road against Baltimore, and hopefully later against NE or Pittsburgh (not so much at home against Denver *cough *cough).

As to question #1 above, I'm going with Yates, because I think both QBs bring different things to the table that can help beat the Bengals. If I think both QBs can get the job done in round one, I have to go with the guy with upside. I need to see how he performs in the spotlight when the pressure is on.

Question #2 depends on how Yates plays on Saturday.

I don't think there is any conceivable way Delhomme can beat the Ravens, but with TJ's upside, we might have a chance if we catch lightning in a bottle.
Basically, versus the Ravens, you have to go with the guy with potential, when you know the known commodity (Delhomme) isn't going to get it done, IMO.
Of course, playing TJ against the Ravens would be predicated on him playing well against the Bengals. But the assumption is that TJ would have to have played well against the Bengals in order to advance, anyway...

Marcus
01-03-2012, 05:38 PM
I voted Yates. Although I don't get this notion of "Yates later, Delhomme now." Either Yates is good to start or he isn't. He's had a few career starts by now without the benefit of Andre. If he's not ready now, he won't be ready later.

Also, Yates is not the future. :kitten: Another topic for another time, but I just wanted to share my opinion.

Haha! Cute! Reminds me of my sister always saying "Hey! I know a secret, but I'm not telling what it is." :)

Gimme a heads up when you do start that topic. Should be a good one.

GP
01-03-2012, 05:39 PM
I just heard Charlie Palilo mention on his radio show that Delhomme's last playoff game saw him turn the ball over 6 times! Yikes! Not the guy I want to see tossing the ball in our first playoff game. I'll take my chances with the rookie, who at least proved something or another a few weeks ago when they clinched the AFCS.

Yeah, but I also think that being away from the game for a year MIGHT have slowed his brain down a bit.

He always came across to me, toward the end of his time as a starter, as being a guy who was forcing stuff out of sheer impatience and wanting to make things happen NOW! He looked more calm, more patient, to me this past Sunday.

That one play where he hung in the pocket, hung in the pocket, hung in the pocket and then delivered a strike downfield? THAT was the early Delhomme years to me. For the most part, he was putting the ball almost right into the hands of his targets. He got drilled one time and still completed it to Casey, IIRC. Another time, he was targeting a WR and the defender wildly stabbed at the ball and barely deflected it enough before it reached the WR's hands--It was just great defense by the CB on that play.

On a high throw to Jacoby, man oh man I was impressed that Jacoby actually was in position to make the jump AND the catch but didn't come down with it. There was nobody behind JJ on that play, so there's no chance at interception...and the only one who would have caught that ball was Jacoby.

dream_team
01-03-2012, 05:40 PM
Delhomme easy only b/c the little i saw of lienart in the jags game i didn't like. Specifically, i didn't think he looked like a guy who'd been in this system for a year plus; he looked uncomfortable...that's troubling in & of itself. Contrast that with how TJ played when he 1st got in & now Delhomme, its' almost night & day imo. Of course too, his arm was still on little league pop-gun status & that this is the 2nd time he's broken his collarbone since he's been in the league...not good.

People talk about schaub... But just based on what has happened to Lienart thus far in his career here & in AZ, this dude is mentally soft, physically soft & even throws soft... the poster child for someone who can't survive in the NFL at qb.

I'm not a Leinart fan by any means... but lets be fair. He didn't do so poorly when he was in. He played 7 drives before he got hurt. If Delhomme was to be judged by his first 7 drives only, we'd be looking at three 3 & outs, a fumble for a turnover, and three field goals. Not exactly screaming for Delhomme to get the nod over Leinart.

dream_team
01-03-2012, 06:19 PM
I think you're forgetting one important thing here. Delhomme was playing with the 2's and 3's, not the starters all though some were in there. His passes looked good especially for someone sittin' on his ranch all year.

Good point. But my point was he didn't have an extremely good game to warrant a drastic move such as benching your starter. If he came in, threw for 300 yards and 3TDs, with no turnovers, then I'd understand the discussion. But in actuality, he just had a decent game.

ObsiWan
01-04-2012, 06:55 AM
I agree with pretty much everything you said there, including TJ's celing... I also agree about the mobility, except that from what i saw Sunday I'd prefer Delhomme's pocket presence over TJ's mobility... It's something TJ will probably improve at over time...

But we're talking about four days from now, not four or even two seasons from now... I'd probably go with TJ over Jake this Saturday, for one of the same reasons you gave:,7 experience in this system...also his experience with the parts within the system... But i can't say it's because i value a rookie third string practice squad QB more than a street vet... I just don't think that because he was on a team and Delhomme wasn't means he's the better option "right now"... Both were at the bottom...

Appreciate the back-and-forth...rep to you...

I noticed that too. T.J. has not learned the art of moving around in the pocket while still looking downfield. He seems to sprint away from trouble, then try and relocate his receivers. Delhomme kept his eyes downfield while keeping his eyes downfield. Hopefully, that will be part of the upside we're hoping to see T.J. develop.

HTown2ATX
01-04-2012, 11:03 AM
I voted Yates....

Sorry, I saw Delhomme in Cleveland.

Yeah he as playoff and SB experience.......from a while back.

Yates in the system longer and I have seen him win.

Yates please. Simple, not complicated.

Texecutioner
01-04-2012, 11:58 AM
Daylight come and me want Delhomme.

Not even close. I wasn't rooting for a Matt Leinart injury, but let's just say that but by the time he had played awhile in that Jags game and got drilled into the field...it was time to say goodbye to the Leinart era here. Seriously.

The guy was soooooo slow with everything. Supposedly, he had been working A LOT on his footwork. I didn't see it; he was laboriously slogging back on his drop backs. His throwing motion looked half-speed. I mean, Yates came in and the ball is out of his hand and on its way...he can scramble and get yards.

Delhomme might not want to come back. I don't have proof, but it just doesn't seem he wants to be 3rd QB. Neither will Garcia. Just have a hunch that they both won't want to come back as 3rd QB, maybe not even as 2nd QB.

I don't think you can judge Leinart off of one half of football where he made a ton of completions and threw a nice TD pass. He played just fine in the sample that we saw of him. Is he slow?? Sure he is, but not any slower than Matt Schaub who we have done just fine with. Matt Schaub is slow running the ball, has a slow release, and throws balls that float with hardly any zip. Pretty similar to Leinart. Neither of these guys should be the starter for the Texans, but I don't see how Leinart getting hurt means his era should end or that Yates should be higher than him on the depth chart. Yates hasn't proven anything other than the fact that he couldn't put up jack as far as points go in the 3 to 4 games he got the chance to play. Sure, Kubiak held him back some and he did get the last minute drive which was impressive, but he didn't do anything to substantially say that he should be higher on the depth chart than Leinart next season without having to out play him first. For all we know, Leinart could have done a lot better than Yates these last few games. The fact is we just don't know because he got hurt, but he didn't give any reason to suggest that he would have been worse in the one half that he played.

Mr teX
01-04-2012, 12:49 PM
I'm not a Leinart fan by any means... but lets be fair. He didn't do so poorly when he was in. He played 7 drives before he got hurt. If Delhomme was to be judged by his first 7 drives only, we'd be looking at three 3 & outs, a fumble for a turnover, and three field goals. Not exactly screaming for Delhomme to get the nod over Leinart.

i disagree. He basically was checkdown charlie the whole time he was in (remind you of anyone??). On the TD pass,He didn't even look like he wanted to throw it b/c, if i remember it correctly, he kind of half pump-faked it before lobing it up there...In all seriousness it probably should've been picked if not for Dreesen.

He just looked tentative. And as i said in my previous post, for a guy to look like that having been in the offense now for a year...that doesn't bode well for him. That excuse can be used for TJ b/c he's a rook seeing his 1st NFL action ever...but it doesn't work for a guy 4-5 years in who was once a starter in this league.

If you can, go back & watch ML & TJ's performance in the jags game. Pay close attention to when TJ 1st gets in the game right before the half & before Kubes shut it down. There's a stark difference in how each of those guys looked. TJ came in & looked way more comfy & in general threw the ball with conviction & when he was asked to throw it. Delhomme looked the same way when he came in behind TJ in the titans game. ML just doesn't have it imo.