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EllisUnit
12-30-2011, 12:15 PM
We could program Kubiak an iPhone app for better clock management and we are Super Bowl bound!

to me he has done better with clock managment this season than he has in the past. Cant think of many games where he has screwed it up this season, of course everything looks different from when your winning compared to when ur losing. And that goes for every aspect of the game.

gary
12-30-2011, 12:20 PM
I love you Gary!

Post hot chicks, please.I will. Knowing Eric Winston and the head of security for the team got the job done there.

Texecutioner
12-30-2011, 12:35 PM
So let me get this straight... You consider yourself, and or your little posse "The Bear"? And please enlighten me as to when I talked down to anyone?

You're doing it in this exact post and you've done it since you landed here. Maybe if you took responsibility for your own actions and looked at the way that you express yourself, you might realize how hypocritical you sound. A little self analyzation on your part wouldn't hurt one bit. You've talked down to several people though with a very condescending tone, you've criticized people in here as poor fans that you know nothing about, and you've also repeatedly told people what to do without realizing that no one really gives a damn about what you want or expect.


Was it when I had a differing opinion than this little elite group of yours? Oh and I am pretty sure that more than 5 members of this board made it was it is. Again you make my elitism point.

No, it was your constant demand of telling other folks what to think or what to say about a coach.



Hey I never said he or you for that matter are not nice guys so stop putting words in my mouth. Just because I am tired of hearing the Kubiak bashing does not make me a bad guy.

Yes it does, when you repeatedly keep telling others what to say about Kubiak and being intolerant of what their opinions are if they do not align with yours. And for the record not one person in here has been swayed by your ranting on this issue either. Your arguments have been straw man this entire time using one season out of 6 as your illustration. It doesn't take a great mathematician to see that you're shooting blanks here with very little to work with .



It's my opinion that while you may respect each other, you do not extend that respect to others, especially if they are new and do not belong to your little posse.

Who is this posse you keep referring to especially with DB. I've been in here for several years, and I've never been aware that DB had some posse or gang in here. As far as I've known he's just a regular poster in here that gives his opinions just like everyone else. He is someone that is well known and respected around here unlike yourself since you continually keep demanding things instead of trying to earn them. Your sense of self entitlement is really intriguing.




When I return back to Houston early 2012, I of course plan to continue my relationships with friends and family in the Houston area. If some from this message board become friends that is great and I look forward to making new connections and developing new relationships. Respect is a two way street and just because you have been on this message board longer than someone else does not mean anyone should give you respect by default. You have to earn your respect also and to suggest anything else is another display of elitism.


I will give you props for making me laugh though. That "elitism" label you keep dishing out is pretty freaking good. If there is one type of acronym that I would never use to describe this place that would probably be it. It's so far off the accuracy barometer, that I actually like how it was played in a goofy sort of way. Elitism on the Texans Talk board. Lol!!!



You know it is funny, it seems to me that you are the one's calling me names
so I would call that trash talking, and disrespectful. If it were in friendly jest I could understand, but it is clear to me that this posse has circled it's wagons in an attempt to bully me, which is a huge waste of your time. Any clear thinking person can read this thread and see it is you and your posse that are name calling and being disrespectful. Oh and the last thing bolded in the quote above is just another example of your name calling and elitism.

You're doing a much better job at picking the fight with the "so called bullies" in my observations. You haven't seemed to figure out that you've been going at it with several people and not just one or two.




Again you assume I am a noob who has never been in Houston or knows anything about this online community. I will ignore that because I know it is another veiled slight of my character based on your assumptions about me.

Not making assumptions. Just making observations off of what you keep portraying.



In regards to corporations you will probably not find anyone who dislikes the corporate world more than me. Having said that, what you have written there shows again that if someone disagrees with you and wants to do things their own way, it warrants name calling.

In regards to your welcome of new people and outsiders as you call them, I do not recall a warm welcome from you, or your posse, so I think you are a bit full of yourself. You have done nothing but name call and make belittling comments and then the rest of your posse chime in with one or two line posts that have nothing to do with the topic just like a bunch of high school kids. Example below. How clever.. no wonder you guys have so many posts. So you are the bear, you are the shark... what else?


You came in here from the start with your guns blazing. You get what you give.



One thing some who read this thread will notice is, that no matter how high and mighty you might think you are, or how respected you think you are, it's a small handful of people who have your back and chime in and slap you on the back when you name call. The rest not so much. This board is for Texans fans, and I am one of them. If you do not like my posts, put me on ignore, but do not try to bully me or think you can run me off.

You mean like how you have tried to bully and run off these so called "Kubiak haters" in such a bossy and demanding form?? Now why would anyone want to do that??

Texan_Bill
12-30-2011, 12:46 PM
Texecutioner<-------------- V.------------->Nitrofish


:popcorn:


"Kewl"

Norg
12-30-2011, 01:01 PM
Dallas has been worst since Wade left

thunderkyss
12-30-2011, 01:19 PM
Our defense is why we are even having this discussion in late December.

What kind of discussions are they having in Jacksonville, Cleveland, Seattle, & maybe even Cincinnati?

Teams who would have much better defensive numbers if their offenses were as good as ours.

ObsiWan
12-30-2011, 01:34 PM
sigh....Its just not that simple folks. You guys are acting like Wade's defense is the steel curtain or something. We've seen wade's defense without an offense to score...& the long & short of it is it ain't all that. How'd his defense look against Balt when our offense couldn't score? How about in NO when the offense had to drop 33 damn points just to keep pace with the saints?


A good defense can keep you in a game (hell offense can too if it's potent enough) but the offense 999999999999.9 % of the time is going to be the side of the ball that wins you the game by putting up points. We've seen in Wade's previous stops as an HC, his offenses have always been the achilles heels to his teams.

Stop acting like Wade's defense is the Gritz Blitz defense.

Just to accentuate your point. Our defense limited opponents to 17 pts/game this year. However, they only put ten points - one grab & go TD and two safeties - all year long. Even if they'd done that scoring in the same game, we would have only beat the Colts or the Titans 10-7 or the Buccs 10-9. Those are the only teams we held to single digits all year.

It's the combo that's brought this year's success; not one side or the other.

Where's that peanut butter/chocolate pic?

ObsiWan
12-30-2011, 01:37 PM
Texecutioner<-------------- V.------------->Nitrofish


:popcorn:

Stop it. Just stop...


...unless I get the beer concession
:evil:

Texecutioner
12-30-2011, 01:44 PM
Just to accentuate your point. Our defense limited opponents to 17 pts/game this year. However, they only put ten points - one grab & go TD and two safeties - all year long. Even if they'd done that scoring in the same game, we would have only beat the Colts or the Titans 10-7 or the Buccs 10-9. Those are the only teams we held to single digits all year.

It's the combo that's brought this year's success; not one side or the other.

Where's that peanut butter/chocolate pic?

This is true, but since Yates has had to step in, it's been straight defense carrying this team. Our offense hasn't looked any better than the Rams, Colts, Jags, and etc. Defense is what won the games against the Falcons and the Bengals. This is exactly what I kept telling people when they were all high and mighty on Yates just because they wanted to feel optimistic and gleeful at the time, and didn't want to hear it when I kept saying that a 5th round rookie being thrown to the wolves wasn't going to lead this team to the promised land. People's answer kept going back to our defense our defense our defense and how great our defense was. Sure it's been a great defense this season and arguably the best in the league, but our defense isn't the 2001 Baltimore Ravens or the 2003 Tampa Bay Bucs.

We would need that Baltimore Ravens defense of 2001 to win the SB with Yates leading this current offense right now especially with the way that Kubiak is handicapping it with short pass plays and running the ball on 3rd down almost forcing our defense to win have to win the game.

thunderkyss
12-30-2011, 03:37 PM
We would need that Baltimore Ravens defense of 2001 to win the SB with Yates leading this current offense right now especially with the way that Kubiak is handicapping it with short pass plays and running the ball on 3rd down almost forcing our defense to win have to win the game.

Again, I think it's part of the process. He's got to do in 3 games what he's done with Matt Schaub over 4 seasons. To throw 15 times in a game & still score 37 points (Bucs) or 23 times & score 41 points (Titans) or like Leinart, throw the ball 13 times & score 17 points in one half against a top 5 defense.

I seriously doubt Kubiak called one short pass (other than a screen) vs Indy. That was Tj. All our 3rd downs were 3rd & Longs. He threw the ball on 6 of them. Ran a draw on one. Another came after a sack. A third he was trying to run the clock out.

GP
12-30-2011, 04:03 PM
But if he sticks around, slowly but surely his critics will come out of the woodworks. It happened in Dallas & it'll happen here if he stays long enough.

I wonder if anybody as a HC can ever truly succeed in Dallas.

I mean, honestly...since Jimmy Johnson left there's been some residue that Switzer inherited and won a Super Bowl with (though I still give the guy a lot of credit, don't get me wrong).

But after that, what's happened there? Jerry Jones has created a situation in Dallas, IMO, where a HC can never be a HC in the truest sense. It's happening a lot in major pro sports leagues--the concept of the authoritative HC being watered down and the inmates running the asylum--but in Dallas, IMO, it's magnified more because of JERRY JONES.

To me, Jerry Jones has created an organizational environment where players know that Jerry is ultimately everything Cowboys. He's the owner, he's practically the GM, and he wants to be a coach "figure" of sorts. If you play in Dallas, your loyalty is to Jerry and not to any HC who will just be gone in a couple of years anyways.

All of that is to say this: Wade Phillips would probably do fairly well as Texans HC if it were to happen. He'd be given as much loyalty as McNair gave Kubiak, as much time as he gave Kubiak, and Wade's personality fits the town of Houston. He'd be hands-off with the offense, hiring someone to run it. But would he be the defensive version of Kubiak and try to run the defense even though he'd have a DC working for him in that capacity? Maybe.

A lot of these great coaches in the NFL have had some fortunate bounces of the ball go their way. Does Bill Belichick become a legend if Tom Brady had been drafted by the Packers and not the Patriots? Does Mike Shanahan win a Super Bowl without John Elway and Terrell Davis? Mike McCarthy looked like a goat, as did his GM, when they got rid of Favre...Packers nation thought it was the end of the world, and all that happened is a dominating QB named Aaron Rodgers made them change their minds very quickly.

The idea of who is more valuable is a sticky situation, IMO. Maybe a franchise style superstar like Michael Jordan is more valuable than anyone else in the whole Bulls franchise??? Maybe Peyton Manning was more valuable than Irsay, Dungy, Moore, and all the well-placed role players that supported his vast talents? It's possible that a superstar game-dominator (Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady) is more valuable than any other person out there.

GP
12-30-2011, 04:11 PM
Again, I think it's part of the process. He's got to do in 3 games what he's done with Matt Schaub over 4 seasons. To throw 15 times in a game & still score 37 points (Bucs) or 23 times & score 41 points (Titans) or like Leinart, throw the ball 13 times & score 17 points in one half against a top 5 defense.

I seriously doubt Kubiak called one short pass (other than a screen) vs Indy. That was Tj. All our 3rd downs were 3rd & Longs. He threw the ball on 6 of them. Ran a draw on one. Another came after a sack. A third he was trying to run the clock out.

We can do extraordinary things when adrenaline is flowing and we know something big is on the line. People lifting cars off of trapped people and stuff.

I wonder if TJ Yates had a car lifting experience when he led us to the win over the Bengals? Then...with the pressure off, the playoff monkey dislodged from our backs, he plays "down" to his competition for two weeks. Nothing huge is on the line, per se, other than a first round bye. But still, if there's no edge to walk on...then maybe he hasn't found that Tom Brady or Drew Brees-type killer instinct yet.

What I mean is that Tom Brady took over for Drew Bledsoe in what I think was either the end of the reg season or the first playoff game or something. So he HAD to be "the man" the whole way to the Super Bowl. Tom Brady, IMO, had the "stuff" for sure...but the element he was thrown into, the greatness the moment required of him, it helped make him this legendary beast that defenses fear. And just like in Batman, the bad guys act way different when facing Brady than facing Drew Bledsoe.

TJ Yates is facing that same sort of situation.

thunderkyss
12-30-2011, 04:13 PM
I wonder if anybody as a HC can ever truly succeed in Dallas.

I mean, honestly...since Jimmy Johnson left there's been some residue that Switzer inherited and won a Super Bowl with (though I still give the guy a lot of credit, don't get me wrong).

But after that, what's happened there? Jerry Jones has created a situation in Dallas, IMO, where a HC can never be a HC in the truest sense. It's happening a lot in major pro sports leagues--the concept of the authoritative HC being watered down and the inmates running the asylum--but in Dallas, IMO, it's magnified more because of JERRY JONES.


There's no denying they have talent on that team.... from a GM standpoint, I don't know that Dallas can have a better one.

The big problem, in the Wade Phillips era was that there were two teams.. offense & defense. What ever happened, I think it's safe to say that the defense didn't appreciate the way the setup worked as it was the defense that laid down on Wade.... their coach.

There were two teams there, because Jerrah hired the OC before Wade & publicly admitted that he liked Garrett as a possible HC.... Wade was not a strong enough HC for that imo.

We have a similar situation here. It is widely believed that McNair hired Wade & Gary was told to deal with it. Now, we get to see if Gary is a strong enough coach to make it work, make it one team.

As far as defensive play-calls & what not, there is no problem with handing that over to Wade...... it happens all the time. Gary has to make sure practices, meetings, discipline.... all that other stuff teams have to do together all happen the same for every one.

If it ever gets to an offense vs defense situation, it'll fall apart.

thunderkyss
12-30-2011, 04:21 PM
I wonder if TJ Yates had a car lifting experience when he led us to the win over the Bengals? Then...with the pressure off, the playoff monkey dislodged from our backs, he plays "down" to his competition for two weeks. Nothing huge is on the line, per se, other than a first round bye. But still, if there's no edge to walk on...then maybe he hasn't found that Tom Brady or Drew Brees-type killer instinct yet.

I think Schaub was doing the same thing. I think, that's what Kubiak wants. He wants to control the ball. If we've got the lead, you're going to see "smart" decisions from the QB, to not put the team in bad situations.

But when we're behind & need a miracle to win, they are told to be less cautious & trust their help.

Matt looked Mundane to start every game last year (remember) then when we got down by two or three scores, the flood gates opened. Like it did in Cincinnati.

I'd much rather Kubiak let them do what they do & work on getting better at it so that we run the score up like the Pats or the Colts (of old) or the Saints.

But he probably won't & right now with Yates, I don't think it's prudent.


What I mean is that Tom Brady took over for Drew Bledsoe in what I think was either the end of the reg season or the first playoff game or something. So he HAD to be "the man" the whole way to the Super Bowl. Tom Brady, IMO, had the "stuff" for sure...but the element he was thrown into, the greatness the moment required of him, it helped make him this legendary beast that defenses fear. And just like in Batman, the bad guys act way different when facing Brady than facing Drew Bledsoe.

TJ Yates is facing that same sort of situation.

Not exactly. That was a much better, a much more balanced team than the one you see today. Tom Brady wasn't spectacular that first Super Bowl (I don't remember) & I don't think much that second one either. Those were pretty good defenses & a ball control offense that won.

It was much later that Tom Terrific expanded his role & became the guy you see today....... same as Ben.

Double Barrel
12-30-2011, 04:28 PM
Kubiak: "You got your peanut butter in my chocolate!"

Phillips: "You got your chocolate in my peanut butter!"

http://thumbs.ifood.tv/files/images/How_To_Make_Reese_Peanut_Butter_Cups_-_easy_steps.jpg

Yep.

Wade is the chocolate, though.

And everyone knows that chocolate > peanut butter. :fingergun:

So let me get this straight... You consider yourself, and or your little posse "The Bear"?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! If that's getting it straight in your mind, so be it.

Since a simple saying went right over your head, we'll run with your assumption that "we" are the bear.

And that would make you the rabbit. :bunpan:

Hey I never said he or you for that matter are not nice guys so stop putting words in my mouth. Just because I am tired of hearing the Kubiak bashing does not make me a bad guy.

That's fine. Attack the post, though, not the poster.

It's my opinion that while you may respect each other, you do not extend that respect to others, especially if they are new and do not belong to your little posse.

Sure we extend respect to others. Just not to people whose sole purpose appears to be trolling members.

Again you assume I am a noob who has never been in Houston or knows anything about this online community. I will ignore that because I know it is another veiled slight of my character based on your assumptions about me.

I've read this paragraph a few times and I still cannot decipher the babble. Sorry, I left my spewage decoder ring at home today.

[That's sarcasm, doood, blink twice if you can understand]

In regards to corporations you will probably not find anyone who dislikes the corporate world more than me. Having said that, what you have written there shows again that if someone disagrees with you and wants to do things their own way, it warrants name calling.

Sarcasm is a lost art form to some folks.

In regards to your welcome of new people and outsiders as you call them, I do not recall a warm welcome from you, or your posse, so I think you are a bit full of yourself. You have done nothing but name call and make belittling comments and then the rest of your posse chime in with one or two line posts that have nothing to do with the topic just like a bunch of high school kids. Example below. How clever.. no wonder you guys have so many posts. So you are the bear, you are the shark... what else?

"Outsiders" = other teams fans. We have quite a few around here that get along, regardless of their allegiance to other teams.

Perhaps a suggestion is in order. You should try to read and comprehend someone's point before engaging your fingers to reply. You have been so off the mark with your statements that it is laughable. Especially all the nonsense about 'elitism' and 'posse' and whatever. It's just silly, especially to anyone that's a regular part of the community.

One thing some who read this thread will notice is, that no matter how high and mighty you might think you are, or how respected you think you are, it's a small handful of people who have your back and chime in and slap you on the back when you name call. The rest not so much. This board is for Texans fans, and I am one of them. If you do not like my posts, put me on ignore, but do not try to bully me or think you can run me off.

Again, more dribble based on assumptions. I am far from "high and mighty". I'm just a fan, no better or worse than any other fan.

I will not put you on ignore, and I certainly have no desire to bully anyone. If you feel that way, you need to check the mirror, because all that hand-wringing insecurity comes from within YOU and radiates outward.

DB, please don't respond... We've seen this joker (well literally) hundreds of of times before??

yeah, same old, same old.

What's funny is that this forum has debated this very subject - Kubiak as HC - many, many times over the past few years. And Nitrofish is calling out people that have always supported Kubiak. His brush is really big, you know, so he wants to make sure that he can paint everyone with it. It's him vs. the world, I guess. It's humorous. My mind imagines a man banging his head against a brick wall for some reason...

Hundreds of times before, indeed. :barman: "KEWL"

Wolf
12-30-2011, 04:28 PM
http://www.dreamstime.com/sun-with-sunglasses-thumb5826306.jpg

DBCooper
12-30-2011, 04:49 PM
What kind of discussions are they having in Jacksonville, Cleveland, Seattle, & maybe even Cincinnati?

Teams who would have much better defensive numbers if their offenses were as good as ours.

TK, I think you have me all wrong. I don't want to fire Kubiak, unless of course we can hire Cowher.

I like our offense, especially the running game.

I think I am just drawn to the defensive side of the ball, so I like strong defenses.

ObsiWan
12-30-2011, 04:55 PM
We can do extraordinary things when adrenaline is flowing and we know something big is on the line. People lifting cars off of trapped people and stuff.

I wonder if TJ Yates had a car lifting experience when he led us to the win over the Bengals? Then...with the pressure off, the playoff monkey dislodged from our backs, he plays "down" to his competition for two weeks. Nothing huge is on the line, per se, other than a first round bye. But still, if there's no edge to walk on...then maybe he hasn't found that Tom Brady or Drew Brees-type killer instinct yet.

What I mean is that Tom Brady took over for Drew Bledsoe in what I think was either the end of the reg season or the first playoff game or something. So he HAD to be "the man" the whole way to the Super Bowl. Tom Brady, IMO, had the "stuff" for sure...but the element he was thrown into, the greatness the moment required of him, it helped make him this legendary beast that defenses fear. And just like in Batman, the bad guys act way different when facing Brady than facing Drew Bledsoe.

TJ Yates is facing that same sort of situation.

Actually Tom Terrific took over for Bledsoe late in the second game of the 2001 season. LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady)

The Patriots opened the season with a 2317 loss at Cincinnati (http://www.texanstalk.com/wiki/2001_Cincinnati_Bengals_season), with Bledsoe as the starting quarterback. Their second game, and home opener, on September 23, was against their AFC East (http://www.texanstalk.com/wiki/AFC_East) rival, the New York Jets (http://www.texanstalk.com/wiki/2001_New_York_Jets_season). Bledsoe was again the starter, when in the fourth quarter he suffered internal bleeding (http://www.texanstalk.com/wiki/Internal_bleeding) after a hit from Jets linebacker (http://www.texanstalk.com/wiki/Linebacker)Mo Lewis (http://www.texanstalk.com/wiki/Mo_Lewis). Bledsoe returned for the next series, but was replaced with Brady for the Patriots' final series of the game. New York would hold on to win, 103, and the Patriots fell to 02 on the season.[22] (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-21)
Brady was named the starter for the season's third game, against the Indianapolis Colts (http://www.texanstalk.com/wiki/2001_Indianapolis_Colts_season). In his first two games as starter, Brady posted unspectacular passer ratings (http://www.texanstalk.com/wiki/Passer_rating) of 79.6 and 58.7, respectively, in a 4413 victory over the Colts (in their last season in the AFC East) and a 3010 loss to the Miami Dolphins (http://www.texanstalk.com/wiki/2001_Miami_Dolphins_season).[23] (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-nfl-22)
In the Pats' fifth game, Brady began to find his stride. Trailing the visiting San Diego Chargers (http://www.texanstalk.com/wiki/2001_San_Diego_Chargers_season) 2616 in the fourth quarter, Brady led the Patriots on two scoring drives to force overtime, and another in overtime to set up a winning field goal. Brady finished the game with 33 pass completions on 54 attempts, for 364 yards, and two touchdowns.[24] (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-23)

Even he had a learning curve early on. And this was his second year with the Pats. He was not a rookie like Yates when he was thrown into the breach.

GP
12-30-2011, 05:02 PM
Actually Tom Terrific took over for Bledsoe late in the second game of the 2001 season. LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady)


Even he had a learning curve early on. And this was his second year with the Pats. He was not a rookie like Yates when he was thrown into the breach.

Man, I sure thought it was at the end of the season. I thought the Pats had things locked up for a playoffs spot and Drew got hurt, etc.

Thanks for finding that.

GP
12-30-2011, 05:06 PM
Even he had a learning curve early on. And this was his second year with the Pats. He was not a rookie like Yates when he was thrown into the breach.

Was the Pats' running game responsible for those huge wins where Brady's passing numbers were fairly flat? Lots of points for Brady not doing spectacular things there. Well, I guess maybe defense was stout and could have had some turnovers and special teams scores and stuff.

Texecutioner
12-30-2011, 05:11 PM
Actually Tom Terrific took over for Bledsoe late in the second game of the 2001 season. LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady)


Even he had a learning curve early on. And this was his second year with the Pats. He was not a rookie like Yates when he was thrown into the breach.

That is hardly any different. Brady had been in the league one season as a back up that saw no playing time. Big difference there. He was thrown right into the wolves the same way though. It was just an earlier part in the season, and Brady took off from the start. He may not have been a stat gobbler right away, but he looked damn impressive and was leading his team to wins. Taking Bledsoe's job that year was not something that slightly above average play was going to do.

ObsiWan
12-30-2011, 05:11 PM
Was the Pats' running game responsible for those huge wins where Brady's passing numbers were fairly flat? Lots of points for Brady not doing spectacular things there. Well, I guess maybe defense was stout and could have had some turnovers and special teams scores and stuff.

My point was that it takes even the great ones time to get up to speed. The sucky ones never do. The jury is still out on where Yates will land. Great? Sucky? Between? Who knows.

As an aside, remember Brady's first playoff game was the Oakland "tuck rule" game. ...just the first of many things that would be ruled in his favor. I wish we had a guardian angel looking out for us

...but I digress, sorry

EDIT: Went back to check (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200109300nwe.htm). Vs. the Colts, the Pats scored 3 times on the ground and Ty Law had a pick-six in that first Colts game. In rather delightful news (to me) Major Forehead (Manning) was picked off 3 times (including the pick-six).

In his second game, the stats indicate Brady was tentative; 12 of 24 for 87 yds, no TDs or picks. Orrrrr maybe Belichick "had the handcuffs on" his young QB. Or maybe Brady was getting used to the speed of the game and was being cautious. Anyway, the 'Phins' running game controlled the clock and their defense shut down Antowain Smith (10 carries/47 yds/1 TD).

Texecutioner
12-30-2011, 05:17 PM
My point was that it takes even the great ones time to get up to speed. The sucky ones never do. The jury is still out on where Yates will land. Great? Sucky? Between? Who knows.

As an aside, remember Brady's first playoff game was the Oakland "tuck rule" game. ...just the first of many things that would be ruled in his favor. I wish we had a guardian angel looking out for us

...but I digress, sorry

Please do not try and denigrate on Brady's miraculous first season and HOF career. It speaks of sour grapes.

Nitrofish
12-30-2011, 05:25 PM
Yep.

Wade is the chocolate, though.

And everyone knows that chocolate > peanut butter. :fingergun:



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! If that's getting it straight in your mind, so be it.

Since a simple saying went right over your head, we'll run with your assumption that "we" are the bear.

And that would make you the rabbit. :bunpan:



That's fine. Attack the post, though, not the poster.



Sure we extend respect to others. Just not to people whose sole purpose appears to be trolling members.



I've read this paragraph a few times and I still cannot decipher the babble. Sorry, I left my spewage decoder ring at home today.

[That's sarcasm, doood, blink twice if you can understand]



Sarcasm is a lost art form to some folks.



"Outsiders" = other teams fans. We have quite a few around here that get along, regardless of their allegiance to other teams.

Perhaps a suggestion is in order. You should try to read and comprehend someone's point before engaging your fingers to reply. You have been so off the mark with your statements that it is laughable. Especially all the nonsense about 'elitism' and 'posse' and whatever. It's just silly, especially to anyone that's a regular part of the community.



Again, more dribble based on assumptions. I am far from "high and mighty". I'm just a fan, no better or worse than any other fan.

I will not put you on ignore, and I certainly have no desire to bully anyone. If you feel that way, you need to check the mirror, because all that hand-wringing insecurity comes from within YOU and radiates outward.



yeah, same old, same old.

What's funny is that this forum has debated this very subject - Kubiak as HC - many, many times over the past few years. And Nitrofish is calling out people that have always supported Kubiak. His brush is really big, you know, so he wants to make sure that he can paint everyone with it. It's him vs. the world, I guess. It's humorous. My mind imagines a man banging his head against a brick wall for some reason...

Hundreds of times before, indeed. :barman: "KEWL"

:listening Wonk, wonk, wonk... You sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.

Double Barrel
12-30-2011, 05:44 PM
:listening Wonk, wonk, wonk... You sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.

And you sound like Charlie Brown. :loser

Texecutioner
12-30-2011, 05:50 PM
:listening Wonk, wonk, wonk... You sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.

Please don't continue to play the victim card anymore when you respond like this. You haven't realized it yet, but you have gone full court press against members that are actually Kubiak supporters, but you're to dead set on battling that you haven't been able to see it.

Double Barrel
12-30-2011, 05:53 PM
Please don't continue to play the victim card anymore when you respond like this. You haven't realized it yet, but you have gone full court press against members that are actually Kubiak supporters, but you're to dead set on battling that you haven't been able to see it.

The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha had imaginary dragons to fight. :king: Wonk, wonk, wonk

Texecutioner
12-30-2011, 05:59 PM
The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha had imaginary dragons to fight. :king: Wonk, wonk, wonk

I actually thought he reminded me more of Lucy with the way he bosses everyone around and telling them to "support Kubiak or else" as if we are all his Charlie Browns.

TexansFanatic
12-30-2011, 07:55 PM
:pissed:

Why?!?!?? Why did my dumbass self read all the stupidity in this thread??!!?

*punches self in the junk*

That's exactly the way I felt----like I wanted to club myself in the head just for engaging in the utter nonsense.

You'd think this is pure common sense to anyone that has watched football or any tournament format in any sport before, but apparently people will say anything to try and make themselves seem right in an argument. Seeding isn't important. Lol!!

Haha! Wow. Just..... Wow.

ObsiWan
12-30-2011, 08:07 PM
Please do not try and denigrate on Brady's miraculous first season and HOF career. It speaks of sour grapes.

As you have said yourself, everyone is subject to fan scrutiny. Stop and correct me when I lie.

Edit:
For clarification purposes, that shot about the tuck rule was more of a shot at the refs than Brady. He didn't make that call, the refs did.

GP
12-30-2011, 08:39 PM
My point was that it takes even the great ones time to get up to speed. The sucky ones never do. The jury is still out on where Yates will land. Great? Sucky? Between? Who knows.

As an aside, remember Brady's first playoff game was the Oakland "tuck rule" game. ...just the first of many things that would be ruled in his favor. I wish we had a guardian angel looking out for us

...but I digress, sorry

EDIT: Went back to check (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200109300nwe.htm). Vs. the Colts, the Pats scored 3 times on the ground and Ty Law had a pick-six in that first Colts game. In rather delightful news (to me) Major Forehead (Manning) was picked off 3 times (including the pick-six).

In his second game, the stats indicate Brady was tentative; 12 of 24 for 87 yds, no TDs or picks. Orrrrr maybe Belichick "had the handcuffs on" his young QB. Or maybe Brady was getting used to the speed of the game and was being cautious. Anyway, the 'Phins' running game controlled the clock and their defense shut down Antowain Smith (10 carries/47 yds/1 TD).

Good stuff in there, thanks for sharing.

I am proud to say that I knew his first playoff game was the infamous snowy game where the ref rolled out the Tuck Rule. I remember thinking, at the time, "Wow, that is destiny changing type stuff going on right there." At that point, you knew stars were aligning. The call itself was legitimate, it's just the idea that the blitzing defender was only a split second LATE in getting to Brady. Otherwise, it's game over and no Super Bowl for Brady.

I think of the Franco reception, the Immaculate Reception, when I recall the Patriots-Raiders game where the Tuck Rule came into play. Crazy plays that alter NFL history.

gary
12-31-2011, 12:26 PM
:listening Wonk, wonk, wonk... You sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.Enough with the insults they just make you look like a troll which I think you are. So there.

GP
12-31-2011, 04:30 PM
Wade and Gary seemingly need one another, IMO.

Good offense guy (Kubiak) and a good defense guy (Phillips) can't get it done when it's just them alone with a team. They're a dynamic duo, those two are.

gary
12-31-2011, 05:29 PM
Why not hire a better coach if he were to become available by another team and keep Wade rather than just giving Gary an extension?

GP
12-31-2011, 05:51 PM
Why not hire a better coach if he were to become available by another team and keep Wade rather than just giving Gary an extension?

McNair believes in maintaining harmony. He wants a known commodity.

A lot of factors, fair or not, will ensure that he stays our HC. The chiefest reason is that we've had crazy injuries to our best QB and our best WR. This was a lockout year, and the team still won the division. A fifth-round rookie QB won the Bengals game and ensured a playoff appearance for us. Gary kept his hands off the defense and Wade turned that ship around from worst to first.

All these things point toward McNair seeking as low of a risk on the future as he can, which means retaining Kubiak as HC. This thing has a very Tom Landry Early Years feel to it, btw. Great football mind, very stoic and had a poker face on the sideline, was obsessed about the details to the point that he felt the players would succeed if they JUST carried out his plans and strategies and the way he designed plays and called plays. Staubach is on record as saying that he knows Landry didn't value players much because Landry vehemently maintained that it was "the system" and not the players that mattered most. Sounds a lot like Plug-n-Play tactics of Shanahan and Kubiak to me, right?

Not saying he becomes LIKE Landry completely, but I think McNair feels he is on the verge of creating a dynasty if he just keeps things the way they are.

ObsiWan
12-31-2011, 06:35 PM
Why not hire a better coach if he were to become available by another team and keep Wade rather than just giving Gary an extension?

Who do you recommend?
No team would fire/release their head coach if he had a better season than we had this year?

...well, there's the Marty Schottenheimer case in San Diego...
but that's an anomaly ...and it really didn't work

gary
12-31-2011, 06:57 PM
Who do you recommend?
No team would fire/release their head coach if he had a better season than we had this year?

...well, there's the Marty Schottenheimer case in San Diego...
but that's an anomaly ...and it really didn't workI see the Giants and Eagles possibly releasing their coaches. MAYBE.

ObsiWan
12-31-2011, 07:39 PM
I see the Giants and Eagles possibly releasing their coaches. MAYBE.

hmmm...

Maybe Reid, since he made all those F/A moves that haven't really paid off. But I don't see Coughlin getting the axe. Of course, in NYC ya never know.

gary
12-31-2011, 09:12 PM
hmmm...

Maybe Reid, since he made all those F/A moves that haven't really paid off. But I don't see Coughlin getting the axe. Of course, in NYC ya never know.That is why I just said Maybe because you never know.

Nitrofish
12-31-2011, 09:13 PM
Enough with the insults they just make you look like a troll which I think you are. So there.

Well gee thanks Gary, and Happy New Year to you also!

Just another name caller, which shows your age, at least mentally. I won't lose any sleep over what you or anyone else thinks about me.

Best wishes to you all... Happy New Year!

Texan_Bill
12-31-2011, 09:20 PM
Enough with the insults they just make you look like a troll which I think you are. So there.

I didn't go back to see where youe would fire off this type of post, but let me say this.... We've seen (literally) a number of jackasses that fade away pretty quick!!! This poster will be another....

When are you, Mom and Aunt gonna make it back to Blue Crew.... You know, your home away from home?? ;)

gary
12-31-2011, 09:47 PM
well gee thanks gary, and happy new year to you also!

Just another name caller, which shows your age, at least mentally. I won't lose any sleep over what you or anyone else thinks about me.

Best wishes to you all... Happy new year!you started the name calling with db, tex, and others not me you just reek like a troll happy new year.

gary
12-31-2011, 09:53 PM
I didn't go back to see where youe would fire off this type of post, but let me say this.... We've seen (literally) a number of jackasses that fade away pretty quick!!! This poster will be another....

When are you, Mom and Aunt gonna make it back to Blue Crew.... You know, your home away from home?? ;)I tried to score tickets to a playoff game my very first one but they are all sold out. P.S. for those of you on Facebook please click on the link for Curt and join the cause.