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Ole Miss Texan
12-23-2011, 10:53 AM
Very neat story. I like hearing when NFL players do things like this.


At 22 college campuses across the country, there are 79 students who may not otherwise be there if not for the generosity of Braylon Edwards.

As a Cleveland Browns rookie in 2005, Edwards announced he'd give $10,000 in scholarships to 100 area eighth-graders if they could graduate high school with over a 2.5 GPA and 15 hours community service. Of the 100 who were afforded the opportunity, 79 met the criteria and have begun their first year of college. Many are attending Ohio universities, but the schools represented spread across the country and include Harvard, Cornell and Johns Hopkins.

"Without this scholarship, I probably wouldn't be here," Bowling Green freshman David Gholston told ESPN's Rick Reilly.

Edwards and his mother developed the Advance 100 program as a way to give back. The way they saw it, they were blessed with Edwards' football abilities and felt the need to help out others with their good fortune. Though they didn't expect so many of the students to fit the criteria (only half of Cleveland public school students graduate high school), Edwards didn't shy away from his commitment. In fact, he increased it.

The 79 students were provided with laptops and other supplies to help them out when they arrived on campus.

"I'm supposed to give people a chance like I was given a chance," Edwards said.

Edwards hasn't played for the Browns in two years. He's a member of the San Francisco 49ers this season and is earning a $1 million base salary for the year, just about what he'll pay those 79 students he promised to help years ago



http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Braylon-Edwards-gave-79-students-10-000-for-col?urn=nfl-wp14415

PsychoLove
12-23-2011, 11:24 AM
That's pretty cool! :highfive:

gtexan02
12-23-2011, 12:06 PM
Reminds me of a hilarious episode of the office where Michael does the same thing

silvrhand
12-23-2011, 01:17 PM
Was on TV, not only did he give his money, he gave his time, effort, and compassion. I did not know about this, and was really surprised that Braylon wast he one behind this. Most of his publicity is negative, and this was a very nice view on some positive and outstanding things he's done.

Naiirb
12-23-2011, 02:57 PM
Reminds me of a hilarious episode of the office where Michael does the same thing

Haha this was the first thing i thought of too when i saw the thread title

http://akamai.paramountcomedy.com/cc/videos/office/Office_612_generouslie.jpg

Ole Miss Texan
12-23-2011, 03:08 PM
LOL. What else did he do? Donated like $10-20 for a fun run not realizing the pledge was per mile. classic

Hardcore Texan
12-23-2011, 11:12 PM
LOL. What else did he do? Donated like $10-20 for a fun run not realizing the pledge was per mile. classic

http://i.qkme.me/3ifj.jpg

StarStruck
12-24-2011, 12:40 AM
LOL. What else did he do? Donated like $10-20 for a fun run not realizing the pledge was per mile. classic

I usually catch on pretty quickly, but since I don't watch Office, this one flew over my head. What did I miss?

gtexan02
12-24-2011, 01:02 AM
I usually catch on pretty quickly, but since I don't watch Office, this one flew over my head. What did I miss?

Michael Scott did this as welk

BullNation4Life
12-27-2011, 01:17 AM
I usually catch on pretty quickly, but since I don't watch Office, this one flew over my head. What did I miss?

from what I remember...

Michael Scott did the same thing to an underprivileged elementary school and when all the students did what they had to do, Michael Scott didn't have the money to send them becasue he thought it would never happen, at least not all of them...

thunderkyss
12-27-2011, 03:04 AM
Really cool story. Braylon Edwards is a stand up dude.

ChampionTexan
12-27-2011, 11:20 AM
And this is the thanks he gets:

The San Francisco 49ers, perhaps in a move to eliminate any possible distractions as they prepare for the postseason, have released Braylon Edwards.

LINK (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/49ers-cut-Braylon-Edwards.html)

BullNation4Life
12-28-2011, 02:47 AM
And this is the thanks he gets:



LINK (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/49ers-cut-Braylon-Edwards.html)

NFL...

Not For Long....

Dutchrudder
12-28-2011, 04:17 AM
I usually catch on pretty quickly, but since I don't watch Office, this one flew over my head. What did I miss?

If you want to see the episode, it's season 1 ep 4:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/159643/the-office-the-alliance

Synopsis:
Amid the rumors of downsizing, Michael tries to raise employee morale with a birthday party, despite the fact that the closest birthday is a month away. As the birthday card for Meredith makes the rounds in the office, Michael struggles to pen the funniest birthday message. Meanwhile, Dwight asks Jim to form a "Survivor"-type alliance so they can protect themselves during the upcoming downsizing. Elsewhere, Oscar collects pledges for his nephew's cerebral palsy charity walk. Michael tops everyone's donation by offering twenty-five dollars - not realizing the donation is per mile - and tries to back track on his generous offer.

srrono
12-28-2011, 05:20 PM
Texans should claim Braylon Edwards

srrono
12-28-2011, 05:21 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Former 49ers wide receiver Braylon Edwards cleared waivers today. He now is a free agent.

texanhead08
12-28-2011, 08:28 PM
Braylon has hands worse than Jacoby Jones. Thanks but no thanks.

Hervoyel
12-28-2011, 09:16 PM
Braylon has hands worse than Jacoby Jones. Thanks but no thanks.

Really? I find that kind of hard to believe. You're saying that somehow with hands worse than Jacoby "I can't catch shit" Jones Braylon Edwards has managed to hang around the league for 7 years, catch 341 balls, score 39 touchdowns, and managed a 1200 yard - 80 catch season in 2007.

I'm not buying it. Now maybe he's not the receiver that the Browns thought he would be when they drafted him but his career being what it is demonstrates that he's clearly better than Jacoby Jones.

I would not be upset if the Texans made him an offer. He is without any doubt better than just about every WR on the Texans roster past Andre Johnson. It wouldn't change the fact that we need to draft a WR badly but I'd be curious to see what Edwards could do on the same field as Andre Johnson & Kevin Walter.

ChampionTexan
12-28-2011, 09:30 PM
Texans should claim Braylon Edwards

The Forty-Niners cut Edwards even though they only had two healthy WR's other than him on the roster (Crabtree and Brett Swain) and are getting ready for their first playoff run since 2002.

I don't know why they cut him, but whatever it was ain't good, and I don't want any part of him.

Hervoyel
12-28-2011, 09:40 PM
The Forty-Niners cut Edwards even though they only had two healthy WR's other than him on the roster (Crabtree and Brett Swain) and are getting ready for their first playoff run since 2002.

I don't know why they cut him, but whatever it was ain't good, and I don't want any part of him.

He is injured and not helping anyone right now. Knee injury in week 2, shoulder injury in week 9. I don't think the Texans should have claimed him (what would be the point) but if they brought him in and worked him out once he got healthy I wouldn't be upset and if they took a shot like the 49ers did (basic incentive filled contract that wouldn't come back and bite them in the ass) I'd be fine with it.

Playoffs
12-28-2011, 09:41 PM
Texans should claim Braylon EdwardsNo, no ... Braylon is a huge diva with hard hands. We don't need or want either.

srrono
12-29-2011, 12:50 AM
I'll take "Hard Hands" over JJ & Walter all day
Edwards
99 games
341 rec
5323 rec yds
15.6 avg per rec
39 tds

J.Jones
74 games
124 rec
1706 rec yds
13.8 avg per rec
11 tds

Walter
135 games
315 rec
3861 rec yds
12.3 avg per rec
23 tds

Playoffs
12-29-2011, 01:06 AM
Not gonna happen.

Dutchrudder
12-29-2011, 01:22 AM
Texans should claim Braylon Edwards

I doubt they could claim him if they wanted to given their cap situation. Only way to get him would be to sign him to a vet min deal after he clears waivers.

ChampionTexan
12-29-2011, 01:35 AM
I doubt they could claim him if they wanted to given their cap situation. Only way to get him would be to sign him to a vet min deal after he clears waivers.

His contract was $1 Million base with incentives. Assuming that his 15 catches for 181 yards leaves him short of achieving those incentives, one game would have cost $62,500. The veteran minimum for a player with six years in the league is $685,000 or approx. $42,800 for one week of the NFL season. I'm guessing that $20K difference wouldn't have stopped them from claiming him if they wanted him.

Hervoyel
12-29-2011, 01:50 AM
Edwards is done for the year and he had a one year deal so anyone who claimed him was not going to get anything out of it but a look at his commitment to rehab.

Nobody was going to claim him. He'll go do his rehab and start looking for a team when he's healthy. Teams who need a WR will take a look and someone will sign him before training camp most likely.

If he's a "huge diva" then he's the first one I've ever seen do anything like this. I'm sure he thought a lot of himself when he went to New York but not being brought back followed by a humbling year in San Francisco might help adjust his views on where he fits in the NFL. This isn't like hoping T.O. would suddenly stop being a pain in the ass or convincing Chad Johnson (I will never call that nutbar "Ochocinco") to stop being an attention whore.

I don't see a lost cause in Braylon Edwards. I see a guy who is in a position to resurrect his career if he gets on the right team next year. I'm not sure we'd be that team necessarily but it's possible. He's a sub-par 1 but he'd be a fairly talented 2 and anyone on the field with AJ is going to get opportunities. I think Edwards would have a better shot at taking advantage of those opportunities than Jacoby Jones has.

srrono
12-29-2011, 04:03 AM
Edwards is done for the year and he had a one year deal so anyone who claimed him was not going to get anything out of it but a look at his commitment to rehab.

Nobody was going to claim him. He'll go do his rehab and start looking for a team when he's healthy. Teams who need a WR will take a look and someone will sign him before training camp most likely.

If he's a "huge diva" then he's the first one I've ever seen do anything like this. I'm sure he thought a lot of himself when he went to New York but not being brought back followed by a humbling year in San Francisco might help adjust his views on where he fits in the NFL. This isn't like hoping T.O. would suddenly stop being a pain in the ass or convincing Chad Johnson (I will never call that nutbar "Ochocinco") to stop being an attention whore.

I don't see a lost cause in Braylon Edwards. I see a guy who is in a position to resurrect his career if he gets on the right team next year. I'm not sure we'd be that team necessarily but it's possible. He's a sub-par 1 but he'd be a fairly talented 2 and anyone on the field with AJ is going to get opportunities. I think Edwards would have a better shot at taking advantage of those opportunities than Jacoby Jones has.

I am not a huge fan of this guy. He has size speed and the ability to do great things on the field.I know the Texans have a unwritten rule with getting high moral guys. The drafting of Braman kinda shows maybe they are losening up the stance. Back to Edwards with his talent this guy has he should be a camp invite next year he will be cheap as a 1 year deal. He will play for some one it might as well be the Texans with a low risk high reward contract.

Another thing I was thinking aren't most WRs kinda self centered or divas I mean AJ is a real rare breed.

Hervoyel
12-29-2011, 09:05 AM
I am not a huge fan of this guy. He has size speed and the ability to do great things on the field.I know the Texans have a unwritten rule with getting high moral guys. The drafting of Braman kinda shows maybe they are losening up the stance. Back to Edwards with his talent this guy has he should be a camp invite next year he will be cheap as a 1 year deal. He will play for some one it might as well be the Texans with a low risk high reward contract.

Another thing I was thinking aren't most WRs kinda self centered or divas I mean AJ is a real rare breed.

It is common among at that position and AJ really is a rare one. I don't think anybody is a huge fan of the guy at this point. He's mostly underachieved his entire career but it's important to note that his underachieving exceeds everything our current #2(B) has ever done. Jacoby playing over his head is not better than Braylon playing under his ability.

I'm not running around waving the Braylon Edwards flag. I'm just saying if they go looking for tires to kick next year (and they may choose to draft a WR instead and go with their IR/PS guys) then you should do your due dilligence and work him out. If they think he checks out I wouldn't be against him from the get-go or anything. I'd be like I was about Cedric Benson. He could help you and just because he's not lived up to expectations in the past doesn't mean he might not in the future or that he might not be able to play a role for you. It wouldn't be an Eric Moulds/Ahman Green type signing.

Texecutioner
12-29-2011, 12:32 PM
Edwards is done for the year and he had a one year deal so anyone who claimed him was not going to get anything out of it but a look at his commitment to rehab.

Nobody was going to claim him. He'll go do his rehab and start looking for a team when he's healthy. Teams who need a WR will take a look and someone will sign him before training camp most likely.

If he's a "huge diva" then he's the first one I've ever seen do anything like this. I'm sure he thought a lot of himself when he went to New York but not being brought back followed by a humbling year in San Francisco might help adjust his views on where he fits in the NFL. This isn't like hoping T.O. would suddenly stop being a pain in the ass or convincing Chad Johnson (I will never call that nutbar "Ochocinco") to stop being an attention whore.

I don't see a lost cause in Braylon Edwards. I see a guy who is in a position to resurrect his career if he gets on the right team next year. I'm not sure we'd be that team necessarily but it's possible. He's a sub-par 1 but he'd be a fairly talented 2 and anyone on the field with AJ is going to get opportunities. I think Edwards would have a better shot at taking advantage of those opportunities than Jacoby Jones has.

Resurrect what career?? When are people going to forget that this guy was a top 5 draft pick type of stud and stop overrating the guy?? He's been worthless throughout his career other than one season. He's been a disappointment on 3 different teams now. What is there to resurrect?? He's never had a good career to resurrect. All he has ever been is a guy that people kept expecting the light to turn on where he could be consistent, but that's never happened in like 7 years already. Why would there be a change now?? His career sort of reminds me of Roy Williams where so many people kept acting like he was going to finally blow up year after year, but that just doesn't happen with WR's typically if they don't do it by year 4 of their careers and stay consistent after that.

No way in hell would I want Edwards here. The guy can never stay focused, he drops balls like no other, he's a whiner, and he really wouldn't be any better than Jacoby Jones.

And you're right that it wouldn't be like an Erik Moulds type of signing, because Erik Moulds was at least a consistent WR for many years in this league and had at least showed that he could be constant professional. Something Edwards has never proven throughout his career. He is what he is.

Hervoyel
12-29-2011, 02:00 PM
Didn't we have this discussion a year or two ago over Cedric Benson? I seem to recall something like that. "Don't want him here", "He's a bum", "Never did anything before", "Isn't going to change", and so on.

Cedric just wrapped up his third straight 1,000 yard season in Cincinnati. I think a change of scenery and a reality check can do wonders for some guys. Edwards hasn't had one good year in 7. He's actually had one great year and three pretty good years in 7. The last pretty good year was 2010 when he caught 53 balls for 904 yards and 7TD's. Which Texan other than AJ did that last year?

Lets not let a bunch of stupid numbers get in the way of a good bias though.

Texecutioner
12-29-2011, 02:43 PM
Didn't we have this discussion a year or two ago over Cedric Benson? I seem to recall something like that. "Don't want him here", "He's a bum", "Never did anything before", "Isn't going to change", and so on.

That definitely wasn't me saying that two years ago.

Cedric just wrapped up his third straight 1,000 yard season in Cincinnati. I think a change of scenery and a reality check can do wonders for some guys. Edwards hasn't had one good year in 7. He's actually had one great year and three pretty good years in 7. The last pretty good year was 2010 when he caught 53 balls for 904 yards and 7TD's. Which Texan other than AJ did that last year?

Lets not let a bunch of stupid numbers get in the way of a good bias though.

I don't see any Ced Benson correlation at all. Ced Benson was bad on one team which was the Bears and a lot of that had to do with him getting himself arrested multiple times and not playing hard like a professional. When he went to the Bengals he was on the verge of being out of the league for good. He was highly motivated to play on a short contract and capitalized off of it.

Edwards has had a completely different type of career where he has been dished away from 3 different teams now all for different reasons. He was a complete bust in Cleveland even after having a remarkable season. He was average in NY and that was his most consistent place he played, yet being average was the best he could accomplish. Then he takes a job in SF with not a lot of money where he should have been highly motivated to produce and he still wasn't able to do it.

The only reason why any faith is being put on this guy is because of his draft pick status and the hype he had coming into this league. If you can forget about that part, and all you've got is a lousy WR that carries baggage with him as well. His hands absolutely stink as well. I've never seen a guy who could make such nice acrobatic catches in games, but just drop such easy ones at crucial times year after year.

But his career has been nothing like Benson's career. You're just picking a guy at a completely different positions that struggled in his first destination for different reasons.

Hervoyel
12-29-2011, 03:17 PM
That definitely wasn't me saying that two years ago.

Really?



I agree. He just came out of an offense where Thomas Jones completely out played him, so why on earth would he become a good player now?

Just because Gibbs is here so many in here automatically assume that the Texans running game is just going to be transformed right away in one off season. It might take a year or so before his blocking scheme really starts taking off the way that it did in Denver. Benson would be terrible in this offense, and then he has all kinds of baggage as well. On top of that, Austin is two and a half hours away, and he doesn't need to be anywhere near Austin. He has never been able to stay out of trouble in Austin NOT NOW, and not college either.

He's a bust, and even if he did come to the Texans camp and work his ass off harder than anyone else on the team he still wouldn't amount to much because he simply isn't that good. End of story.

There are much better RB's that the Texans could be going after right now other than a DRUNKARD like Benson.

That's ridiculous. I'm as big of a Longhorn fan as it gets, and Benson has done nothing but embarrass UT. Fans and players in Chicago consider Benson to be a flat out joke. Now in Austin, many seem to forget how many times that Texas coaches and alums got Benson out of trouble and also kept him out of headlines and did really good damage control. I know quite a few people that were good friends with Benson personally, and since he was in college all I've heard was what a huge weed smoker the guy is and was all those years at UT.

Since the NFL all he has done is disappoint on and off the field. There aren't many UT fans giving him support anymore and I'm one of them. I don't give players who screw up over and over passes just because they played for my team. Benson is an *****.

Some people wake up? Yeah, guys that screw up once or twice maybe, but not guys who get two DWI's in less than a month. That first boat ordeal was incredibly embarrassing for Benson with the whole story and the mugshot and pictures and all. That should have easily been enough to make this guy wake up, but not even a month later he was back in the can for the same thing.

And on top of all of this Benson has not looked good one season of his career yet, so what are you talking bout really? He has not shown anything to support the fact that he might be able to turn it around on or off the field. He doesn't have any moves, he doesn't block well, he can't catch, he's not a HR hitter, or a move the chains kind of guy either. He's been a worthless RB that has been way overpaid and that's about it.

If the Texans are seriously thinking about wasting time with a guy that has only proven that he sucks, then that is ridiculous. I'd much rather see the Texans give Travis Henry a shot or even Sean Alexander. At least both of them have had good productive seasons, and Sean has had fantastic seasons. Sean is washed up, and I don't want him either but he has proven that he can be a productive runner when healthy while Benson is still young and still CAN"T DO IT. Henry has had his share of problems as well, but hasn't had recent ones like two DWI's in a month. He was also leading the AFC in rushing yards last year before he got hurt, and has had quite a few nice seasons. Yes, he's had his share of problems as well, but at least he's been a productive back when healthy as well.

If the Texans want to take a chance on a guy with legal problem, then at least take a chance on a guy that has proven that he can play at the NFL level. Benson has only proven that he CAN"T get it done even on a team that was a RUN FIRST kind of offense. If a guy like Jones could look as good as he did in Chicago, and Benson looked as bad he did, then why on earth would anyone think that he could come to a team that has had a worse running game than his previous team and start moving the chains? Sorry, but there is not one fact or shred of evidence to logically consider that he might become a good RB. He's not some one year player. He's already played 3 years now, and has been awful. He's already proven that he isn't any good and even a great O line which the Texans don't currently have wouldn't help him much either.

Well all you have to do is watch film of him for the last three years and check the stat book. It is a PROVEN truth.

And as far as the drinking and smoking weed, he was doing that throughout his entire college career. None of this stuff is new. Not even the arrests. It's just now, he doesn't have Austin Alums and coaching staff getting him out of trouble and BIG headlines. He was able to smoke and drink all of the time in college and still be a great player, but the NFL is a man's game where a guy like Benson can't be good without working really hard and studying film to prepare himself. It's just not that easy like it was in college when you play behind a great O line at Texas and play against a lot of sub-par BIG 12 defenses that aren't that great.

You know if he was able to show some great natural ability here and there since coming into the NFL, then maybe I could understand giving him a shot or having some sort of faith in him turning his career around, but I haven't seen ANYTHING IMPRESSIVE at all since he came to the NFL. He just hasn't looked good at all, and I have been a huge Benson fan since his Freshman year in college when I would curse the television when Mack Brown wasn't playing him enough. But since he came into the league, there hasn't been one thing that he could do well. Not one. So, I don't think it's really an issue of him not working that hard or getting into trouble, he's just not that good and little bad habits as a runner have only gotten worse since he got into the league. He developed a really bad stumbling problem his Senior year in college which stopped him from turning a few 10 to 12 yard plays into 50 to 60 yard TD's. Last year every single time I saw the Bears playing Benson was stumbling all over the field and falling short of extra yards, but only this time he wasn't falling short of TD plays, he was falling short of simple first downs.

Personally I'd love to see Benson turn it around and become what people thought he would be, but it aint gonna happen. The guy just isn't up to par with the rest of the successful RB's in the league.


Sorry, but those college stats you just provided are a joke.

Since when are NFL RB's evaluated by what they did in college 4 to 5 years ago?

You aren't the most informed Longhorn fan either. Benson was smoking dope, partying, and doing all kinds of stuff at UT. The alums got him off one dope case and also kept his home invasion case under the radar. People heard about it, but it wasn't that big of a story. Plus, from what I hear from inside sources that knew a WHOLE LOT about Benson at the time have said that it wasn't even about a stolen TV and that is what about some DOPE that was stolen from Benson. THe whole TV story was a SPIN FACTOR. Benson was just able to perform well in college off of his talent alone. He didn't work hard and anyone on the team would tell you that. Plus, even VY said that Benson was not even that well liked by his teamates at Texas either.

Now if you want to post stats, POST THE REAL STATS! His NFL stats that actually MATTER. Benson has been awful since coming into the NFL.

None of this off the field stuff is the real issue here. I wouldn't mind at all if the Texans grabbed a bad apple kind of guy and took a chance if he was really good right now, simply because the Texans really aren't a team that has all the pieces to be real picky. However, Benson is NOT A GOOD BACK. His stats have been terrible, and anyone who has watched him in the last 3 years could clearly see that they guy is not cut out to be an NFL RB. I'm sorry but 3 years of a guy stinking up the field is all I need to see to gather the fact that HE SUCKS.




I think you were pretty clear on your feelings regarding the Texans taking a chance on giving Cedric Benson a shot.

Texecutioner
12-29-2011, 03:25 PM
Really?













I think you were pretty clear on your feelings regarding the Texans taking a chance on giving Cedric Benson a shot.

This what not from two years ago my friend. Sorry, but that's not what you mentioned. Your comment stated that we had this conversation "a year or two ago and you're taking posts that go back like 4 years ago.

Here is the link to those actual posts you're posting of mine. Those were from June of 2008. Not a year or two ago.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51343&page=6


One or Two years ago I was very high on what Benson could possibly do because I believed that he was motivated since he had shown a little when he played those last few games in Cinci when they put him on that short contract. Hell, even Cinci didn't give him a long term contract right away. It's exactly why I picked Benson on my FF team that year and he helped me win a SB.

I noticed that you didn't put a link on those posts. Not saying that you did that on purpose, but these posts you're referring to with me go back further than two years ago and yeah I wasn't high on bringing him here at all at that point. later on I was fine with it and wanted that to happen. If you dig around at that time, you'll find posts that reflect exactly what I'm saying.


Either way, Benson's career still has absolutely nothing to do with Edwards. Their struggles have been completely different from one another, they're two very different types of people, and Benson's play increasing to a much higher level is no type of indication that Edwards play would.

Hervoyel
12-29-2011, 03:41 PM
That would be three and a half years ago so "my mistake". I remembered a thread where you were vehemently against taking a chance on Benson when the Bears released him and I was off by a year and a half.

All the quotes were from this thread which appeared in June of 2008

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51343&highlight=Cedric+Benson

I didn't link it because I didn't think it was necessary. You can find your own quotes easily enough I figure.

Either way Benson's career has everything to do with Edwards. They've both struggled and neither one is (or was in Benson's case) out of chances to turn things around. They may be two very different types of people but they both have enough inherent ability to deserve an impartial look when available. For the record Edwards has done much more in his career at this point than Benson had when you were so much against the Texans taking a cheap flyer on him (when they needed him.... badly). At least Edwards has once in his career put up a great season (and don't forget the three good ones I pointed out).

Edwards stats are reflective of a lot more than just his play. The guy has been catching passes from such QB "giants" as Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, The legendary David Anderson, and the unforgettable Mark Sanchez. In there you have a season where he was traded mid-year so he got the benefit of playing with a rookie Sanchez without going to training camp in that offense. The next year all of his stats jump considerably.

Are the Jets really better off without him? I don't think the evidence says that at all.

Benson's career improving just shows that a player can get his head right and straighten up. All it means where Edwards is concerned is that turning a career around is possible. That's all it has to mean.

Texecutioner
12-29-2011, 04:10 PM
That would be three and a half years ago so "my mistake". I remembered a thread where you were vehemently against taking a chance on Benson when the Bears released him and I was off by a year and a half.

All the quotes were from this thread which appeared in June of 2008

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51343&highlight=Cedric+Benson

I didn't link it because I didn't think it was necessary. You can find your own quotes easily enough I figure.


The only threads I could find around the time that you originally mentioned of mine (Year or two ago) state pretty much what I stated I had felt earlier that I was just fine with him and felt pretty confident about Benson at that time. Here is the only one I could find around that time period below.

"I like what the Bengals are doing this year. I've been rooting for them to make the playoffs. I think the fan base deserves it after dealing with so much for so long from Brown as the owner hurting the franchise. I had a feeling that the offense would get going again this year with Palmer back, and that's why I drafted Ocho, Benson, and Palmer between two fantasy teams. I haven't regretted it either. It's nice to see Benson doing well now.

I was one of those guys, and I was clearly "wrong."

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65771&page=4


The last part where I said that I was clearly wrong was me referring to a post by Vinny where he was referring to a lot of posters that wanted nothing to do with Benson at first. I stood up and called myself out on that actually and the only reason why I found that thread was because Vinny repped me for it. Those posts were in October of 2009 which was around the time you mentioned previously.





Either way Benson's career has everything to do with Edwards. They've both struggled and neither one is (or was in Benson's case) out of chances to turn things around. They may be two very different types of people but they both have enough inherent ability to deserve an impartial look when available. For the record Edwards has done much more in his career at this point than Benson had when you were so much against the Texans taking a cheap flyer on him (when they needed him.... badly). At least Edwards has once in his career put up a great season (and don't forget the three good ones I pointed out).


The only comparison is that they both struggled early on which is the same comparison you could make with dozens of NFL busts or under performing players that were drafted into the top ten. They both play different positions and have different tasks and responsibilities to their teams though which makes the correlation not really accurate or comparable. Benson is just a hrd nose RB that is very physical and breaks tackles really easily. Outside of that his main responsibility is to block for the QB on passing downs or to catch a few short screen passes here and there and Benson has never been a big time receiving back. All Benson really needed to do is run with authority and work harder to be in better shape to run over people which is how he runs and what he does as a RB.

Edwards has a lot more responsibilities and things to learn at his position that he's never done that well. For one, CATCH THE BALL. He's had some of the worst hands in the league for years now. He doesn't go up the middle a lot, and he's mainly just a deep threat one trick pony. He's not a move the chains type of WR at all. He's always been known for not having a lot of concentration on his routes and lacking focus. Edwards has to be able to run routes better, catch the ball better, gain more toughness, and concentrate a lot more. That's way to many things to expect one guy to improve on this far into his career. For a RB who is highly talented, all he mainly has to do is run the ball with anger and force and RB's can have huge seasons out of nowhere. That's not really a stretch at all. We see RB's do that a lot if they're in the right system where they get enough touches. With WR's we rarely see that type of increase in production in their later years of their careers.



Edwards stats are reflective of a lot more than just his play. The guy has been catching passes from such QB "giants" as Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, The legendary David Anderson, and the unforgettable Mark Sanchez. In there you have a season where he was traded mid-year so he got the benefit of playing with a rookie Sanchez without going to training camp in that offense. The next year all of his stats jump considerably.

We've seen great receivers put up awsome stats with terrible QB's on all sorts of teams year after year. Great WR's find a way to get their numbers and be productive. Andre did for years, Larry Fitz always does, Roddy WHite did in ATL with Harrington, Boldin did for years, and so on. Having a great QB always helps, but it's not ever something that will hold down a WR completely from being productive for his team.

Are the Jets really better off without him? I don't think the evidence says that at all.

And neither does it say that they're worse without him either. The Jets struggles this year compared to last season has had nothing to do with their offense. Their defense simply isn't as dominant and that's always been their strength since Rex has been there.

Benson's career improving just shows that a player can get his head right and straighten up. All it means where Edwards is concerned is that turning a career around is possible. That's all it has to mean.


Of course that can happen. I'd say that he has gotten his head on straight. I'm not really debating that. My point is that he has been in this league far to long to expect a high ceiling from him moving forward. He just landed on his 3rd team now and couldn't even put up over 200 yards this season on a team that desperately needed another weapon in the passing game and Braylen was on a whopping one year contract as it is where he was still in "contract year" so you'd think he would have been highly motivated as ever to be highly productive. He still wasn't on his 3rd team which happened to be a great team this year where he could have been a big part of their success. Instead he once again proved to everyone that he is worthless for the most part and disappointed another team. This off season he'll be in search of his 4th team, so with everything being stated about his career I don't see any reason to believe that he's capable of having a break out season.

Hervoyel
12-29-2011, 04:45 PM
The only threads I could find around the time that you originally mentioned of mine (Year or two ago) state pretty much what I stated I had felt earlier that I was just fine with him and felt pretty confident about Benson at that time. Here is the only one I could find around that time period below.





http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65771&page=4


The last part where I said that I was clearly wrong was me referring to a post by Vinny where he was referring to a lot of posters that wanted nothing to do with Benson at first. I stood up and called myself out on that actually and the only reason why I found that thread was because Vinny repped me for it. Those posts were in October of 2009 which was around the time you mentioned previously.

Benson was available two years in a row and that's what accounts for the crossed signals. The first time (when the bears released him) you were adamantly against considering him and that was what I remembered. The second time (when the Bengals re-signed him and the Texans considered signing him) your position was different primarily because the previous season he'd demonstrated exactly what you said he would not be able to do.



The only comparison is that they both struggled early on which is the same comparison you could make with dozens of NFL busts or under performing players that were drafted into the top ten. They both play different positions and have different tasks and responsibilities to their teams though which makes the correlation not really accurate or comparable. Benson is just a hrd nose RB that is very physical and breaks tackles really easily. Outside of that his main responsibility is to block for the QB on passing downs or to catch a few short screen passes here and there and Benson has never been a big time receiving back. All Benson really needed to do is run with authority and work harder to be in better shape to run over people which is how he runs and what he does as a RB.

Edwards has a lot more responsibilities and things to learn at his position that he's never done that well. For one, CATCH THE BALL. He's had some of the worst hands in the league for years now. He doesn't go up the middle a lot, and he's mainly just a deep threat one trick pony. He's not a move the chains type of WR at all. He's always been known for not having a lot of concentration on his routes and lacking focus. Edwards has to be able to run routes better, catch the ball better, gain more toughness, and concentrate a lot more. That's way to many things to expect one guy to improve on this far into his career. For a RB who is highly talented, all he mainly has to do is run the ball with anger and force and RB's can have huge seasons out of nowhere. That's not really a stretch at all. We see RB's do that a lot if they're in the right system where they get enough touches. With WR's we rarely see that type of increase in production in their later years of their careers.

We've seen great receivers put up awsome stats with terrible QB's on all sorts of teams year after year. Great WR's find a way to get their numbers and be productive. Andre did for years, Larry Fitz always does, Roddy WHite did in ATL with Harrington, Boldin did for years, and so on. Having a great QB always helps, but it's not ever something that will hold down a WR completely from being productive for his team.



None of this shit makes any difference at all. I'm not comparing their positions and I'm not saying that he's a great receiver or going to become one. I'm just saying people turn careers around from time to time. Here in Houston all he'd have to be is better than a shit receiver (Looking at you Jacoby Jones).

Having said that I'm then adding that if he's out there, comes in and works out for you, looks pretty good doing it, says all the right things, and the price is right why not give him an incentive laden deal like the one the 49ers gave him.

And neither does it say that they're worse without him either. The Jets struggles this year compared to last season has had nothing to do with their offense. Their defense simply isn't as dominant and that's always been their strength since Rex has been there.

So all that talk this year we've heard about the Jets changing their offense and getting away from "ground and pound" (sounds like a WR friendly offensive philosophy to me!) then failing to make much progress at that and going back to their strength (read: ground and pound) was going on in my head? Their struggles this year include a healthy dose of trying to be a better offense and not succeeding.

Of course that can happen. I'd say that he has gotten his head on straight. I'm not really debating that. My point is that he has been in this league far to long to expect a high ceiling from him moving forward. He just landed on his 3rd team now and couldn't even put up over 200 yards this season on a team that desperately needed another weapon in the passing game and Braylen was on a whopping one year contract as it is where he was still in "contract year" so you'd think he would have been highly motivated as ever to be highly productive. He still wasn't on his 3rd team which happened to be a great team this year where he could have been a big part of their success. Instead he once again proved to everyone that he is worthless for the most part and disappointed another team. This off season he'll be in search of his 4th team, so with everything being stated about his career I don't see any reason to believe that he's capable of having a break out season.

Yeah, he's on his third team and he couldn't even put up 200 yards after being hurt in week 2 and then again in week 9. This can have an impact on your performance. I don't care how motivated you are being injured is going to affect you. He played in two games and then missed the next four (plus their bye week) before coming back. Then got hurt again in week 9.

And it's all irrelevent because all I really want to say here is "Look at him". If they don't like him fine. Excellent even. They weren't interested in Plaxico this year either. Could have used him. You saw that like many of us.

I know because I looked here: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82916&highlight=Plaxico

Due dilligence. Look at all the options. That's all I'm trying to get across.

Playoffs
12-29-2011, 09:45 PM
I'll take "Hard Hands" over JJ & Walter all dayJacoby has focus issues, no doubt.

But let's mix in some facts here:

In the 3 years from 2008-2010 Kevin Walter led the league with the lowest dropped pass percentage.

Guess who had the highest drop percentage during that period? http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/images/smilies/nod2.gif

2008-2010 Dropped Pass Percentage(min. 120 catachable balls)

1. (lowest)Kevin Walter -- 2.96%
...
45. (highest)Braylon Edwards -- 14.72%

I'd rather have Walter.

PapaL
12-29-2011, 09:49 PM
Jacoby has focus issues, no doubt.

But let's mix in some facts here:

In the 3 years from 2008-2010 Kevin Walter led the league with the lowest dropped pass percentage.

Guess who had the highest drop percentage during that period? http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/images/smilies/nod2.gif



I'd rather have Walter.

Stats can always be skewed to say what you what. What was the total number of targets? Easier for a guy w less targets to drop less balls too. Just saying...gotta get the whole fact.

ChampionTexan
12-29-2011, 10:37 PM
Stats can always be skewed to say what you what. What was the total number of targets? Easier for a guy w less targets to drop less balls too. Just saying...gotta get the whole fact.

You're right, they can be skewed, but the fact that it indicates a minimum of 120 catchable balls indicates the specific result isn't anomalous, and the fact that it's a percentage makes the actual number irrelevant. Catchable balls would also seem to be a better number to use than targets.

srrono
12-29-2011, 11:37 PM
Jacoby has focus issues, no doubt.

But let's mix in some facts here:

In the 3 years from 2008-2010 Kevin Walter led the league with the lowest dropped pass percentage.

Guess who had the highest drop percentage during that period? http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/images/smilies/nod2.gif



I'd rather have Walter.

Edwards twice as many tds in 36 less games plus he can hit big plays.
Edwards
99 games
341 rec
5323 rec yds
15.6 avg per rec
39 tds

Walter
135 games
315 rec
3861 rec yds
12.3 avg per rec
23 tds

PapaL
12-29-2011, 11:42 PM
You're right, they can be skewed, but the fact that it indicates a minimum of 120 catchable balls indicates the specific result isn't anomalous, and the fact that it's a percentage makes the actual number irrelevant. Catchable balls would also seem to be a better number to use than targets.

There's a huge difference between one guy having 120 catchable balls vs a guys with 500. If both guys had 120 then yeah the differences in percentages would be that much more interesting.

Playoffs
12-30-2011, 12:39 AM
Stats can always be skewed to say what you what. What was the total number of targets? Easier for a guy w less targets to drop less balls too. Just saying...gotta get the whole fact.
It's a percentage.

Braylon dropped 29/197
Kevin only dropped 5/169

This is how the Cleveland Plain Dealer covered Braylon's very kind scholarship gesture:

Braylon Edwards, former Cleveland Browns receiver, can't catch but he still gives (http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/12/braylon_edwards_former_clevela.html)

Hervoyel
12-30-2011, 10:54 AM
It's a percentage.

Braylon dropped 29/197
Kevin only dropped 5/169

This is how the Cleveland Plain Dealer covered Braylon's very kind scholarship gesture:

Braylon Edwards, former Cleveland Browns receiver, can't catch but he still gives (http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/12/braylon_edwards_former_clevela.html)


That was a particularly tacky headline and I think the writer should be ashamed for taking a story like this and using it to get a shot in on Edwards. That's just not right.

srrono
12-30-2011, 05:20 PM
It's a percentage.

Braylon dropped 29/197
Kevin only dropped 5/169

This is how the Cleveland Plain Dealer covered Braylon's very kind scholarship gesture:

Braylon Edwards, former Cleveland Browns receiver, can't catch but he still gives (http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/12/braylon_edwards_former_clevela.html)

walter gets short throws to him
Edwards throws to him are downfield which is more difficult to catch