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Hervoyel
12-23-2011, 12:21 AM
We're looking at 10-6

You gotta know that if we can't beat the Colts with Dan Orlovsky at QB then we're not going to be able to beat Tennessee next week. What's worse is we're not going to win a playoff game either.

It's been fun pretending for the last four weeks that we were going to be fine but the truth is that the moment Schaub went down any chance that we were going to remain effective on offense went out the window. Leinart was the slim hope that a miracle might happen but once he went down too even that was out of the question.

AJ going down with the second hamstring was like the exclamation point on the end of that.

Brisiel getting hurt was the "WHAT PART OF SHOW'S OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?" that followed the exclamation point.

Yates isn't ready and may never be. Kubiak doesn't trust him and probably wouldn't be ready to give him any real latitude with the offense in three years much less three weeks. Delhomme and Garcia don't know the offense well enough and Kubiak won't trust them either. In short we don't have a QB.

At WR we've got nobody after Andre Johnson. OK, so Kevin Walter actually belongs on an NFL roster but past him they're all camp scrubs. None of them can get open regularly and Jacoby is ****ing useless. Even if we did have a QB we don't have a credible receiving threat.

No, Owen Daniels isn't a credible receiving threat. At least not one that's difficult to defense.

Our vaunted offensive line is thin. Even our starters are kind of overrated. When Brisiel went down we all secretly hoped that it was an opportunity for Caldwell to get a shot and prove what a steal he was. That didn't happen. He's pathetic and if he's an example of the depth we have on the line we got another need position come draft time.

Frankly once you take away our QB, our All Pro WR, Mario, and Wade Phillips we aren't even as good as the 6-10 2010 Texans.

This season was progress and it was fun but it's over now and reality has reasserted itself. We're getting run by losing teams and going to back into the playoffs. Maybe we won't slide back to 6-10 or 7-9 again next year. Maybe we'll get these players back and take another step forward. One things certain though. As we are today we're done.

TheMatrix31
12-23-2011, 12:25 AM
I want to see what happens if Andre comes back, but yeah as of today as constituted nothings gonna happen.

This is why I prefer a superstar offense over a great defense. A great defense is great but doesn't mean a lick of a shit if you can't score points to win. **** that style of play. **** the Jets.

EVOLVIST
12-23-2011, 12:28 AM
Right. Like how come TJ Yates only threw 16 passes this game?

Hell, even throwing the ball to Foster 20 times would have reaped better rewards!

How about James Casey as a receiver

If JJ and KW are not getting it done, let's at least pretend we have more weapons on the team.

Even those silly passes to Vickers would have looked clever tonight.

Kubiak has lied. Gary has said he wasn't dialing the playbook back, but when your QB only throws 16 passes in a game, hang it up boys, we're going home with a great big L on our foreheads.

This is reality: The Texans, in their first playoff birth, have broken another NFL record, in reverse: The Texans became the only 10 win team to ever lose to a 1 win team.

Reality.

TheMatrix31
12-23-2011, 12:33 AM
Oh get outta here. Yates passes more against the porous run defense of the Colts and everyone will be calling for everyone's head. Don't you remember what happened last year against Indy when the running game wasn't used?

Can't throw the ball when you don't have Andre to throw to. His presence spaces everyone out and yes, even makes those dumpoff plays to Tate and Foster more effective.

Wolf
12-23-2011, 12:34 AM
Play calling was very carr era type of playcalling

thunderkyss
12-23-2011, 12:37 AM
Then can we all agree if we win a play-off game, then Kubiak is a hell of a coach?

What's the most important thing right now?


Winning the Super Bowl?
screwing the Colts from drafting Luck?
something other than winning the Super Bowl?


These games are meaningless. How often have you guys told me that?

How many of you thought/think we are going to win the Super Bowl with a rookie QB?

We're in the play-offs, the goal now is to win the Super Bowl. Anything lower is loser mentality, anything less is quiting.

The run game has got to be strong. The defense has got to be stronger if we are going to have a chance. & that doesn't change by putting Delhomme or Garcia in the game.

The best chance we've got is to send Tj out there with the same game plan we ran since Jacksonville@Reliant. Get the ball to Arian, rely on the defense, hope Aj comes back healthy.

I think Tj will stretch the field more consistently in the future....

these are just growing pains.

EllisUnit
12-23-2011, 12:38 AM
Oh get outta here. Yates passes more against the porous run defense of the Colts and everyone will be calling for everyone's head. Don't you remember what happened last year against Indy when the running game wasn't used?

Can't throw the ball when you don't have Andre to throw to. His presence spaces everyone out and yes, even makes those dumpoff plays to Tate and Foster more effective.

yeah but wasnt that a manning led offense that could easily score, different team all together here, there defense is made to protect leads, you have to throw the ball more than 16 times most generally to get a good lead in this league.

fiasco west
12-23-2011, 12:40 AM
I think a lot of people are forgetting that we also beat ATL and Cincy with Yates at QB.

Take things a week at a time folks. Lets look at the Titans, if we get Wade calling the game back that could be enough to win that game and see where we go from there.

I sure ain't scared of the Jets (which is looking like a likely opponent) or the Bengals in the first round. Especially at home (which we still have) so saying we can't win a playoff game is bit too premature right now.

Although I agree that Schaub going down ended any chance at a SB run, as well as Mario going down. But this team has fought all year and to give up on them now? Nah, can't do that. They hit a bump in a road, they still have a lot of fight left in them.

Hookem Horns
12-23-2011, 12:41 AM
Then can we all agree if we win a play-off game, then Kubiak is a hell of a coach?



No, one game isn't going to undo the last 5 years and 2 games (without Wade) of suckitude. Besides Wade will probably be back and if that happens you know who should get the credit.

bckey
12-23-2011, 12:55 AM
Kubiak called a great game and for the most part the refs called a great game. They lost because the players didn't execute. Superbowl bound!

signed TK

76Texan
12-23-2011, 01:09 AM
The reality is that when you get sacked 25% of the time, it's hard to do your job as a QB.

Premier
12-23-2011, 01:12 AM
we need 4 duane browns on the o-line...

Norg
12-23-2011, 01:13 AM
that may all be true but we cant give up ..... LOL at least in the playoff game ...... wk 16 i think we should shut it down

thunderkyss
12-23-2011, 01:18 AM
yeah but wasnt that a manning led offense that could easily score, different team all together here, there defense is made to protect leads, you have to throw the ball more than 16 times most generally to get a good lead in this league.

80 yards, no timeouts, less than 2 minutes in the game.

DanO is the QB.

thunderkyss
12-23-2011, 01:20 AM
Kubiak called a great game and for the most part the refs called a great game. They lost because the players didn't execute. Superbowl bound!

signed TK

reading comprehension is a *****.

80tothezone
12-23-2011, 01:22 AM
playcalling was pretty vanilla from what I could tell from my phone at work. I think that was by design. That said we shoulda served Indy vanilla Icecream and made them like it. we didn't... I hope we are able to get. Aj back and see what this kid has got at qb. I don't think it is the end of the world but we must win next week to get a little momentum going.

ThaShark316
12-23-2011, 01:33 AM
Tellin' y'all man...this is the post-winning streak blues.

(let me clarify by saying this is not an excuse, just something I've noticed in sports)

What I mean is...you dominate for games at a time. Then you start winning CLOSE, which basically shows your luck is SLOWLY running out. After that, you start escaping late in games. After that, here come the let downs. You lose games that, going in you think, "Oh hell yeah, this is OURS!" and you get slapped around a bit.

Are they going to fix things? I don't know. I don't think the D is our issue. Texans were doomed by some awful flags and some dumb luck. All I know is, after winning streaks end, you try hard to get that edge back and it's tough to regain.

This season = the Rockets 22 game win streak. Remember how the Rockets were kicking teams in the face night after night? Then those games, regardless of competition, got closer and closer? Then Boston came here and slapped our MASH unit in the face? Couldn't get that edge back after that 1st loss in 23 games.

leebigeztx
12-23-2011, 01:41 AM
Then can we all agree if we win a play-off game, then Kubiak is a hell of a coach?

What's the most important thing right now?


Winning the Super Bowl?
screwing the Colts from drafting Luck?
something other than winning the Super Bowl?


These games are meaningless. How often have you guys told me that?

How many of you thought/think we are going to win the Super Bowl with a rookie QB?

We're in the play-offs, the goal now is to win the Super Bowl. Anything lower is loser mentality, anything less is quiting.

The run game has got to be strong. The defense has got to be stronger if we are going to have a chance. & that doesn't change by putting Delhomme or Garcia in the game.

The best chance we've got is to send Tj out there with the same game plan we ran since Jacksonville@Reliant. Get the ball to Arian, rely on the defense, hope Aj comes back healthy.

I think Tj will stretch the field more consistently in the future....

these are just growing pains.

I agree and it also points out what I complained about in the off season. The lack of a true #2 wr. People laughed when I mentioned moss or edwards. They bought intothe systemic manipulation of avg talented guys at the skill position. When foster has the highest yard per catch and most yds, despite missing 3 games says a lot about the receivers on this roster. They have no one aside from andre who can win without playaction to suck the lbs in. Even if you don't think moss can run or a healthy edwards may drop a pass, you still treat those guys different. They have shown in recent years that they can score td in the red zone and beat #1 wrs.

ObsiWan
12-23-2011, 01:53 AM
We're looking at 10-6

You gotta know that if we can't beat the Colts with Dan Orlovsky at QB then we're not going to be able to beat Tennessee next week. What's worse is we're not going to win a playoff game either.

It's been fun pretending for the last four weeks that we were going to be fine but the truth is that the moment Schaub went down any chance that we were going to remain effective on offense went out the window. Leinart was the slim hope that a miracle might happen but once he went down too even that was out of the question.

AJ going down with the second hamstring was like the exclamation point on the end of that.

Brisiel getting hurt was the "WHAT PART OF SHOW'S OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?" that followed the exclamation point.

Yates isn't ready and may never be. Kubiak doesn't trust him and probably wouldn't be ready to give him any real latitude with the offense in three years much less three weeks. Delhomme and Garcia don't know the offense well enough and Kubiak won't trust them either. In short we don't have a QB.

At WR we've got nobody after Andre Johnson. OK, so Kevin Walter actually belongs on an NFL roster but past him they're all camp scrubs. None of them can get open regularly and Jacoby is ****ing useless. Even if we did have a QB we don't have a credible receiving threat.

No, Owen Daniels isn't a credible receiving threat. At least not one that's difficult to defense.

Our vaunted offensive line is thin. Even our starters are kind of overrated. When Brisiel went down we all secretly hoped that it was an opportunity for Caldwell to get a shot and prove what a steal he was. That didn't happen. He's pathetic and if he's an example of the depth we have on the line we got another need position come draft time.

Frankly once you take away our QB, our All Pro WR, Mario, and Wade Phillips we aren't even as good as the 6-10 2010 Texans.

This season was progress and it was fun but it's over now and reality has reasserted itself. We're getting run by losing teams and going to back into the playoffs. Maybe we won't slide back to 6-10 or 7-9 again next year. Maybe we'll get these players back and take another step forward. One things certain though. As we are today we're done.

my.... that's rather depressing.

the really depressing part is I don't have a counter argument. Guess I'll have to turn in my Sunshine Club membership card....

I guess the good news is all those "TJ will lead us to the Super Bowl" and "TJ will take Schaub's job" posts will stop now.

buddyboy
12-23-2011, 01:56 AM
We're looking at 10-6

You gotta know that if we can't beat the Colts with Dan Orlovsky at QB then we're not going to be able to beat Tennessee next week. What's worse is we're not going to win a playoff game either.

It's been fun pretending for the last four weeks that we were going to be fine but the truth is that the moment Schaub went down any chance that we were going to remain effective on offense went out the window. Leinart was the slim hope that a miracle might happen but once he went down too even that was out of the question.

AJ going down with the second hamstring was like the exclamation point on the end of that.

Brisiel getting hurt was the "WHAT PART OF SHOW'S OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?" that followed the exclamation point.

Yates isn't ready and may never be. Kubiak doesn't trust him and probably wouldn't be ready to give him any real latitude with the offense in three years much less three weeks. Delhomme and Garcia don't know the offense well enough and Kubiak won't trust them either. In short we don't have a QB.

At WR we've got nobody after Andre Johnson. OK, so Kevin Walter actually belongs on an NFL roster but past him they're all camp scrubs. None of them can get open regularly and Jacoby is ****ing useless. Even if we did have a QB we don't have a credible receiving threat.

No, Owen Daniels isn't a credible receiving threat. At least not one that's difficult to defense.

Our vaunted offensive line is thin. Even our starters are kind of overrated. When Brisiel went down we all secretly hoped that it was an opportunity for Caldwell to get a shot and prove what a steal he was. That didn't happen. He's pathetic and if he's an example of the depth we have on the line we got another need position come draft time.

Frankly once you take away our QB, our All Pro WR, Mario, and Wade Phillips we aren't even as good as the 6-10 2010 Texans.

This season was progress and it was fun but it's over now and reality has reasserted itself. We're getting run by losing teams and going to back into the playoffs. Maybe we won't slide back to 6-10 or 7-9 again next year. Maybe we'll get these players back and take another step forward. One things certain though. As we are today we're done.

I can't say I disagree with you on most, if not all of these points. I wonder though, what team would still be competitive if they three of their most important players, and easily their most important coach?

I'd say Andre is the most important player on offense, with Schaub being number two. Even though he's probably just an above average QB, his presence alone obviously makes our offense go. Mario on defense hasn't been the hit some of us expected, but he's still an elite class player. And Wade has easily been our most important coach this year.

So, take the Packers. Take out Clay Matthews and Rogers. And McCarthy. I won't even factor in the third player. Take the Pats and take out Brady, Gronkowski, and Belichick. I think this is the reality of our injuries coming down on us full force after allowing us to live a few games in dreamland.

ObsiWan
12-23-2011, 01:59 AM
Then can we all agree if we win a play-off game, then Kubiak is a hell of a coach?

What's the most important thing right now?


Winning the Super Bowl?
screwing the Colts from drafting Luck?
something other than winning the Super Bowl?

These games are meaningless. How often have you guys told me that?

How many of you thought/think we are going to win the Super Bowl with a rookie QB?

We're in the play-offs, the goal now is to win the Super Bowl. Anything lower is loser mentality, anything less is quiting.

The run game has got to be strong. The defense has got to be stronger if we are going to have a chance. & that doesn't change by putting Delhomme or Garcia in the game.

The best chance we've got is to send Tj out there with the same game plan we ran since Jacksonville@Reliant. Get the ball to Arian, rely on the defense, hope Aj comes back healthy.

I think Tj will stretch the field more consistently in the future....

these are just growing pains.

This wasn't a "meaningless game". This was a milestone game. A chance to exocise another demon - that we can't win in the Peyton's house... even when he doesn't play.

and we GAVE the ball to Foster. And he came through to the tune of 153 yds and a TD on 23 carries. That's 6.6+ yds/carry. The running game was working. T.J. couldn't take full advantage of it.

midway
12-23-2011, 02:03 AM
That wasn't T.J. that didn't take advantage, it was Kubes and his hideous playcalling.

Mr teX
12-23-2011, 02:06 AM
Any level headed fan knew that this "next man up" mantra was only going to take us so far before all of our injuries & shortcomings caught up. Only the fringe bandwagoners bought into the team of destiny euphoria that had been circling this board during our 7 game winning streak. I've watched too much NFL football over the last 20 years to know better than to indulge in that crap. You just can't continued to win on a consistent basis enduring the types of set backs we've had in such vital areas.

So yeah, we're likely 1 & done but come next year when we've got everyone back, we'll have alot to look forward to. For now, folks just try to enjoy the leaps forward this team took this year.

Corrosion
12-23-2011, 11:05 AM
Just too many injuries at key positions , most notably QB.


:shots: Here's to Schaub coming back healthy next season :shots:

Texecutioner
12-23-2011, 11:32 AM
I want to see what happens if Andre comes back, but yeah as of today as constituted nothings gonna happen.

This is why I prefer a superstar offense over a great defense. A great defense is great but doesn't mean a lick of a shit if you can't score points to win. **** that style of play. **** the Jets.

The Texans have won with great defense all season long, so I have no idea what the hell you're talking about here. They've had the best season of their existence. When you don't let your QB hardly play and handcuff him like that and "expect" your defense to do all of the work, then you're asking to much and the law of averages will catch up with you. We lost because of that.

Lucky
12-23-2011, 11:55 AM
I think a lot of people are forgetting that we also beat ATL and Cincy with Yates at QB.
One of those who have forgotten is Gary Kubiak. I would have rather seen the Texans lose due to Yates throwing picks than not even giving him a chance. Ron Paul called and said Kubiak was too conservative. Running the ball 3 times on the Texans last possession and playing for the FG is playing not to lose, rather than playing to win. 6 seasons, and Kubiak has better players and better assistants surrounding him. But he hasn't learned a damn thing about winning football games.

BeerTastesLikeVictory
12-23-2011, 12:16 PM
One of those who have forgotten is Gary Kubiak. I would have rather seen the Texans lose due to Yates throwing picks than not even giving him a chance. Ron Paul called and said Kubiak was too conservative. Running the ball 3 times on the Texans last possession and playing for the FG is playing not to lose, rather than playing to win. 6 seasons, and Kubiak has better players and better assistants surrounding him. But he hasn't learned a damn thing about winning football games.

Exactly. I said in another thread I would love to see an open Playbook with Kubes encouraging shots downfield next week. We have really nothing to gain or lose as far as seeding(I think), etc against Tenn so some reps for the youngster would be a good thing. If we lose because he throws too many picks, then so be it but he needs more experience in a real, non-sheltered NFL game. Hell, rest Foster and let Tate and Ward carry the load, win or lose on the arm of Yates.

We are going to have to take chances in the playoffs, so might as well start with that a week early. I know it's a tall order knowing Kubes, but just wishful thinking.

Hervoyel
12-23-2011, 01:20 PM
The Texans have won with great defense all season long, so I have no idea what the hell you're talking about here. They've had the best season of their existence. When you don't let your QB hardly play and handcuff him like that and "expect" your defense to do all of the work, then you're asking to much and the law of averages will catch up with you. We lost because of that.


No, you're wrong. The Texans have won with a complete effort for the most part. When they've won the offense has scored and the defense has held. Both sides have put each other in a position to succeed. The offense gets out ahead early and the defense can pin their ears back. If the offense gets off to a slow start then the defense keeps us from falling behind so the offense can get the kinks worked out.

We've won because we've been balanced and a complete team. Now the offense can't hold up it's side of the bargain anymore. Certain things work well. We ran the ball well last night but clearly Kubiak got spooked with all the turnovers Yates had against Carolina and he's reigned him in considerably. With no credible passing threat our offense can't finish drives and our scoring is down. This puts the defense in a vulnerable position.

silvrhand
12-23-2011, 01:24 PM
One of those who have forgotten is Gary Kubiak. I would have rather seen the Texans lose due to Yates throwing picks than not even giving him a chance. Ron Paul called and said Kubiak was too conservative. Running the ball 3 times on the Texans last possession and playing for the FG is playing not to lose, rather than playing to win. 6 seasons, and Kubiak has better players and better assistants surrounding him. But he hasn't learned a damn thing about winning football games.

I have to agree here, he went classic Kubiak shell.. run the ball and when in the red zone don't take chances even when they have 8 in the box.

Did we even throw the ball at all last night in the red zone?

EllisUnit
12-23-2011, 01:31 PM
I have to agree here, he went classic Kubiak shell.. run the ball and when in the red zone don't take chances even when they have 8 in the box.

Did we even throw the ball at all last night in the red zone?

umm i only remember 1 pass attempt in 4 trips. Yeah it was typical kubiak, my problem with it is what do we have to lose, to try to score and REALLY prepare yates for the play-offs. Babying yates is not getting him ready.

Double Barrel
12-23-2011, 01:38 PM
It's the football gods, Herv. The Texans messed with fate by trying to gloss themselves. Everything was going great until they started trying to make up their own nickname. They were overcoming adversity. Rising from the 9 years of mediocre muck to be something greater than anything of the past decade. They had a coach that could outcoach the head coach. They had a lucky 13 talisman that was doing things unheard of for this team.

Then they decided to have a parade.

You don't gloss yourself as a unit/team before you earn it. Nicknames are bestowed upon you because you achieved a status of greatness, usually after winning a meaningful championship.

They gave the football gods a middle finger and those gods turned it around and shoved it up the team's collective butts.

Hey, is all this voodoo and witchcraft real? Probably not. But it certainly makes me feel better than the reality of the situation. Losing to a 1 win Colts was a punch to the gut.

:rake:

Corrosion
12-23-2011, 01:41 PM
I have to agree here, he went classic Kubiak shell.. run the ball and when in the red zone don't take chances even when they have 8 in the box.

Did we even throw the ball at all last night in the red zone?

Its on the QB to make pre-snap adjustments when the defense stacks the box ..... Quite possible Yates didnt make the proper adjustments.

We dont know if Kubiak gives him the option to change the play at the line or not .... We do know that Schaub was able to change the play under those circumstances.

Texecutioner
12-23-2011, 01:48 PM
Its on the QB to make pre-snap adjustments when the defense stacks the box ..... Quite possible Yates didnt make the proper adjustments.

We dont know if Kubiak gives him the option to change the play at the line or not .... We do know that Schaub was able to change the play under those circumstances.

There is no way that Yates is allowed to do that Corrosion. Are you kidding me?? Kubiak won't let the man hardly throw the ball down the field, much less call audibles. Hell, he isn't even willing to let Yates throw on 3rd down in a tight game. Kubiak has handcuffed this offense the same way he did his first two seasons here.

DBCooper
12-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Ahhhh, but just think of next year......our team will have "playoff" experience!

Maybe we'll get lucky and not have to play a team in the playoffs like the Steelers, or the Ravens, or the Patriots.......

EllisUnit
12-23-2011, 02:01 PM
Ahhhh, but just think of next year......our team will have "playoff" experience!

Maybe we'll get lucky and not have to play a team in the playoffs like the Steelers, or the Ravens, or the Patriots.......

and we will have schaub, AJ, maybe mario back. Would have a lot more hope

iLoveTexans
12-23-2011, 02:02 PM
We're looking at 10-6

You gotta know that if we can't beat the Colts with Dan Orlovsky at QB then we're not going to be able to beat Tennessee next week. What's worse is we're not going to win a playoff game either.

It's been fun pretending for the last four weeks that we were going to be fine but the truth is that the moment Schaub went down any chance that we were going to remain effective on offense went out the window. Leinart was the slim hope that a miracle might happen but once he went down too even that was out of the question.

AJ going down with the second hamstring was like the exclamation point on the end of that.

Brisiel getting hurt was the "WHAT PART OF SHOW'S OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?" that followed the exclamation point.

Yates isn't ready and may never be. Kubiak doesn't trust him and probably wouldn't be ready to give him any real latitude with the offense in three years much less three weeks. Delhomme and Garcia don't know the offense well enough and Kubiak won't trust them either. In short we don't have a QB.

At WR we've got nobody after Andre Johnson. OK, so Kevin Walter actually belongs on an NFL roster but past him they're all camp scrubs. None of them can get open regularly and Jacoby is ****ing useless. Even if we did have a QB we don't have a credible receiving threat.

No, Owen Daniels isn't a credible receiving threat. At least not one that's difficult to defense.

Our vaunted offensive line is thin. Even our starters are kind of overrated. When Brisiel went down we all secretly hoped that it was an opportunity for Caldwell to get a shot and prove what a steal he was. That didn't happen. He's pathetic and if he's an example of the depth we have on the line we got another need position come draft time.

Frankly once you take away our QB, our All Pro WR, Mario, and Wade Phillips we aren't even as good as the 6-10 2010 Texans.

This season was progress and it was fun but it's over now and reality has reasserted itself. We're getting run by losing teams and going to back into the playoffs. Maybe we won't slide back to 6-10 or 7-9 again next year. Maybe we'll get these players back and take another step forward. One things certain though. As we are today we're done.



Maybe we can do good in the playoffs. Remember the Packs last season? They were 10-6 and plagued with injuries to key players..Just like us now, and when they got them back (this season) look at what has happened.

EllisUnit
12-23-2011, 02:04 PM
Maybe we can do good in the playoffs. Remember the Packs last season? They were 10-6 and plagued with injuries to key players..Just like us now, and when they got them back (this season) look at what has happened.

Theres no doubt in my mind that we will do great things AGAIN next season, but we are still in this season, and the Packers werent down to their 3rd string QB.

DBCooper
12-23-2011, 02:05 PM
and we will have schaub, AJ, maybe mario back. Would have a lot more hope

Lol, I hope you know my comment was drenched in the sweaty bowels of sarcasm!

chicagotexan2
12-23-2011, 02:05 PM
we need 4 duane browns on the o-line...

yes, but I'd happy with one less Winston. That guy is the Kareem Jackson of the OL. And I'm sure the guys on 610 will continue bob on his knob during his radio show.

I am embarrassed that we lost. But the reality is this team in serious trouble and even though the defense is very good the offense is average at best. I see one and done in the playoffs. All things considered I would not be as dissapointed with the inevitable with all the wheels coming off.

Doppelganger
12-23-2011, 02:21 PM
Maybe we can do good in the playoffs. Remember the Packs last season? They were 10-6 and plagued with injuries to key players..Just like us now, and when they got them back (this season) look at what has happened.

Let's be honest about the 2010 Packers situation. Who did the Packers lose? They lost TE Jermichael Finley, RT Mark Tauscher, RB Ryan Grant, OLB Brady Poppinga, MLB Nick Barnett, OLB Brad Jones, and SS Morgan Burnett. Of those injuries, Poppinga and Tauuscher were replaced with Clay Matthews III and Bryan Bulaga who were expected to compete for those positions anyway. Nick Barnett was replaced with AJ Hawk. Ryan Grant was replaced with Brandon Jackson. So really the only places they lost starters were at TE and SS. That's it.

The Packers did not suffer the types of injuries Houston has.

thunderkyss
12-23-2011, 02:34 PM
This wasn't a "meaningless game". This was a milestone game. A chance to exocise another demon - that we can't win in the Peyton's house... even when he doesn't play.

Screw them demons & screw Peyton's house. This is about winning games. We've won enough to get us to the post-season. Now our focus needs to be on winning post-season games.

This is like the preseason. Winning doesn't matter, what matters is preparing for the games that do.


and we GAVE the ball to Foster. And he came through to the tune of 153 yds and a TD on 23 carries. That's 6.6+ yds/carry. The running game was working. T.J. couldn't take full advantage of it.

Agree on all points. I'll even add that the defense played an excellent game. Definitely saw some things we need to fix.

Tj has some things that needs fixing as well.

Even though Arian ran like he stole something, there are things we need to fix in the run game as well.

I think Gary is going to do his thing & you all will be very impressed when the post season starts.

thunderkyss
12-23-2011, 02:44 PM
Exactly. I said in another thread I would love to see an open Playbook with Kubes encouraging shots downfield next week. We have really nothing to gain or lose as far as seeding(I think), etc against Tenn so some reps for the youngster would be a good thing. If we lose because he throws too many picks, then so be it but he needs more experience in a real, non-sheltered NFL game. Hell, rest Foster and let Tate and Ward carry the load, win or lose on the arm of Yates.

We are going to have to take chances in the playoffs, so might as well start with that a week early. I know it's a tall order knowing Kubes, but just wishful thinking.

All Kubiak can do is call the plays. He's calling the same plays he was calling when Schaub was in the game. He's calling the same plays when Yates was stretching the field & throwing interceptions.

Can you think of another reason Tj would not throw the deep routes?

thunderkyss
12-23-2011, 03:05 PM
Maybe we can do good in the playoffs. Remember the Packs last season? They were 10-6 and plagued with injuries to key players..Just like us now, and when they got them back (this season) look at what has happened.

Right now, we look like the 2009 Bengals. They won enough games in the first half of the season, then lost ReyMaualuga & a couple of their pass rushers. finished the season losing 3 of their last 4. Then lost to the Jets in the first round.

They followed that with a 4-12 season. Now they're 8-6 with a rookie QB, rookie WR, & a top 10 (6) defense.

Pantherstang84
12-23-2011, 03:38 PM
I have to admit. I was only setting myself up for failure with false hopes after Tampa Bay. After sleeping on it I now freely admit it is time to temper expectations. The team is not going on a magical playoff run. Too many key injuries to players and now coaching staff.

One thing is for sure, the Kubiak for COTY mantra has died down.

Sad thing is my sports year is done. High school football is over, and the NBA sucks (jmo). I now get to look forward to the Dynamo opening their new stadium.

Norg
12-23-2011, 04:46 PM
I hate reality. Lol.

Hervoyel
12-23-2011, 05:07 PM
If I were in a position to do so I think I might pay someone to break Albert Haynesworth's legs for ending our season in Tampa Bay. That malicious son of a ***** needs to be put down for good.

Double Barrel
12-23-2011, 05:26 PM
If I were in a position to do so I think I might pay someone to break Albert Haynesworth's legs for ending our season in Tampa Bay. That malicious son of a ***** needs to be put down for good.

lol! I was thinking how much I hate that sorry SOB earlier today... :evil:

ObsiWan
12-23-2011, 07:07 PM
Screw them demons & screw Peyton's house. This is about winning games. We've won enough to get us to the post-season. Now our focus needs to be on winning post-season games.

This is like the preseason. Winning doesn't matter, what matters is preparing for the games that do.



Agree on all points. I'll even add that the defense played an excellent game. Definitely saw some things we need to fix.

Tj has some things that needs fixing as well.

Even though Arian ran like he stole something, there are things we need to fix in the run game as well.

I think Gary is going to do his thing & you all will be very impressed when the post season starts.

Yeah, like why the hell Ben Tate went backwards on 5 of his 6 carries. WTF?!?

dickieb
12-23-2011, 07:17 PM
I don't blame Tate, they ran the ball every time he was in the backfield last night. No surprise to the colts D they were running the ball when he came in. The O-line sucked balls last night and he was getting hit in the backfield every time.

ThaJokaa
12-23-2011, 07:25 PM
I wonder if the packers will be able to beat any team seeing how they lost to the chiefs; Oh no.....

Texan_Bill
12-23-2011, 07:28 PM
I wonder if the packers will be able to beat any team seeing how they lost to the chiefs; Oh no.....

:lol: MSR! Nicely done.

DBCooper
12-23-2011, 08:27 PM
I wonder if the packers will be able to beat any team seeing how they lost to the chiefs; Oh no.....

Oh yeah, we are just like the Packers.......

SW H-TOWN
12-23-2011, 10:20 PM
yes, but I'd happy with one less Winston. That guy is the Kareem Jackson of the OL. And I'm sure the guys on 610 will continue bob on his knob during his radio show.

I am embarrassed that we lost. But the reality is this team in serious trouble and even though the defense is very good the offense is average at best. I see one and done in the playoffs. All things considered I would not be as dissapointed with the inevitable with all the wheels coming off.

If I was game planning against the Texans I would put my best pass rusher against Winston and throw the ball to whoever Jackson is covering. Caldwell looked pretty bad too.

SW H-TOWN
12-23-2011, 11:56 PM
Forgot to add that Kubiak knew or should have known that Winston was going to struggle, speed rushers usually give him trouble, and planned accordingly. For some inexplicable reason he decided to not give Winston any help.

Texan4Ever
12-24-2011, 12:01 AM
The fact that Kareem Jackson was covering Reggie Wayne is reason enough for why the Texans lost.

SW H-TOWN
12-24-2011, 12:10 AM
The fact that Kareem Jackson was covering Reggie Wayne is reason enough for why the Texans lost.

Pretty sad when you see him on an island with Wayne and know it's game over before the snap.

GP
12-24-2011, 12:19 AM
I think we're done. We won the South, and that's a good start to a better future for us. The "can we get to the playoffs???" monkey is off our backs, too.

The offense looked awful. All the shit that has happened has, IMO, taken its toll on our whole team. Well, I think MAYBE the defense is still trying to beast mode out there (Credit given to JJ Watt, Cushing, Reed, Ryans, hell all of them minus Kareem Jackson).

Our offense looks like they're happy we're locked into the playoffs no matter what we do the rest of the way. Correction: GARY KUBIAK looks like he's happy we're locked into the playoffs no matter what we do the rest of the way. We're just glad to be there! Winston is sucking really hard. And has for the past 8 games or so, with increasing suckage as the season plods along.

I don't know if Wade's surgery was real or not. In this day and age, I don't know what to believe anymore. But I do know THIS: That defense plays better, and tends to be put in the better position on the majority of plays in a game when Wade Phillips is on the sideline. It just looks and feels differently since he's been gone the past two weeks.

There was no End Zone targeted passes. There was not even any real vertical passing attempts. Yates looks good when he's rolling out. Looks shaky when he's standing in the pocket.

Orlovsky, who couldn't find his helmet last year, was hitting slants and back-shoulder comeback routes like crazy. He found a rhythm and he went to work on us. The Colts knew to target Wayne on KJ in the back corner of the end zone on a game-winning pass just like the Falcons did. But for some reason, the Texans defensive staff (chiefly Vance Joseph) cannot foresee this same scenario happening over and over like Groundhog Day. WTF? Geez.

Right Tackle, QB, and WR are very important draft day needs in rounds 1 through 3. For every ball Yates rifles into Dreessen or Walter's hands, he's goofing up and sacking himself or whatever. Winston is blowing hard. And without Andre Johnson, there's no deep threat.

Is OSU's Blackmon worth trading our first round pick, and maybe even MORE to get that guy? I don't see any other beastly WRs (in the Andre Johnson role) except that guy. He's big, fast, freakishly gifted.

Maddict5
12-24-2011, 07:26 AM
finding it hilarious that this loss has caused the whole 'woe is us we suck again' mentality to resurface.

we didnt go for the kill v the colts (same way we didnt v the jags) and just like v the jags i have no problem with it. for 59 mins i was rly confident that dano couldnt beat us the same way gabbert couldnt and it wouldve been turnovers that lost us the game. it came back and bit us in the ass (with a large assist to the refs).

so what? im not getting the whole outcry its caused. the game didnt mean much (we needed help for a bye anyway) and the game has no similiarity to how the playoff game/s will be played (i.e we're going to have to win those games instead of trying not to lose it) . were we conservative v the falcons or bengals??.... you know the actual playoff type games with something on the line.

the real reality of the situation is that that game had nothing to do in predicting our success or play in the playoffs.

TheMatrix31
12-24-2011, 07:34 AM
finding it hilarious that this loss has caused the whole 'woe is us we suck again' mentality to resurface.

we didnt go for the kill v the colts (same way we didnt v the jags) and just like v the jags i have no problem with it. for 59 mins i was rly confident that dano couldnt beat us the same way gabbert couldnt and it wouldve been turnovers that lost us the game. it came back and bit us in the ass (with a large assist to the refs).

so what? im not getting the whole outcry its caused. the game didnt mean much (we needed help for a bye anyway) and the game has no similiarity to how the playoff game/s will be played (i.e we're going to have to win those games instead of trying not to lose it) . were we conservative v the falcons or bengals??.... you know the actual playoff type games with something on the line.

the real reality of the situation is that that game had nothing to do in predicting our success or play in the playoffs.

We needed help and yes, we still need help. It's possible to get the #2 and even the #1 seed still. Probably not gonna happen but I think either the Patriots or Ravens have to lose both remaining games. I trust Miami can beat them but damn why does NE play crashed-down-to-hell Buffalo in Week 17? Bah. Ravens are sloppy and can "easily" lose both games to Cleveland and Cincy. Both teams have pretty tough D and those AFC North games are always fugly and close.

I'd put the whole thing as a 10% shot. Better than nothing, I guess.

thunderkyss
12-24-2011, 10:31 AM
Forgot to add that Kubiak knew or should have known that Winston was going to struggle, speed rushers usually give him trouble, and planned accordingly. For some inexplicable reason he decided to not give Winston any help.

Not exactly true. In one of his press conferences he said what he was most upset about was that two of the sacks came when we gave help, the line just didn't play to the help.

On that holding call where Winston got called for the holding. He had Dressen on the outside who chipped Mathis, but Winston allowed Mathis to beat him inside, away from the help.

HJam72
12-24-2011, 11:01 AM
Seeds!? You wanna talk seeds!?! :hairpull:

Kgbmedic
12-24-2011, 11:33 AM
finding it hilarious that this loss has caused the whole 'woe is us we suck again' mentality to resurface.

we didnt go for the kill v the colts (same way we didnt v the jags) and just like v the jags i have no problem with it. for 59 mins i was rly confident that dano couldnt beat us the same way gabbert couldnt and it wouldve been turnovers that lost us the game. it came back and bit us in the ass (with a large assist to the refs).

so what? im not getting the whole outcry its caused. the game didnt mean much (we needed help for a bye anyway) and the game has no similiarity to how the playoff game/s will be played (i.e we're going to have to win those games instead of trying not to lose it) . were we conservative v the falcons or bengals??.... you know the actual playoff type games with something on the line.

the real reality of the situation is that that game had nothing to do in predicting our success or play in the playoffs.


I believe it is a by product of games past. This team and fan base have always been bipolar. It doesn't take much to set off a manic attack. These game have no real meaning other than to get TJ some real time play and prepare him for the playoffs. The win out would be nice but if these loses get him some invaluable lessons then so be it.

Or, I could be wrong and it is time to run through the streets with my hair on fire. Either way it has been entertaining. :firehair:

GP
12-24-2011, 11:40 AM
finding it hilarious that this loss has caused the whole 'woe is us we suck again' mentality to resurface.

we didnt go for the kill v the colts (same way we didnt v the jags) and just like v the jags i have no problem with it. for 59 mins i was rly confident that dano couldnt beat us the same way gabbert couldnt and it wouldve been turnovers that lost us the game. it came back and bit us in the ass (with a large assist to the refs).

so what? im not getting the whole outcry its caused. the game didnt mean much (we needed help for a bye anyway) and the game has no similiarity to how the playoff game/s will be played (i.e we're going to have to win those games instead of trying not to lose it) . were we conservative v the falcons or bengals??.... you know the actual playoff type games with something on the line.

the real reality of the situation is that that game had nothing to do in predicting our success or play in the playoffs.

We almost lost to the Falcons (Jones dropped a game-winning TD).

We barely beat the Bengals (last second TD throw).

Lost to the Panthers.

Lost to the Colts (via a last-second TD pass by ORLOVSKY).

The offense is stagnant, even with Foster and Tate in there. No Schaub, no AJ, and an o-line that is getting its ass kicked on a regular basis in the pass game.

But you don't "get" the outcry?

:toropalm:

I'll have a sip of whatever you're drinking.

ThaShark316
12-24-2011, 11:50 AM
We almost lost to the Falcons (Jones dropped a game-winning TD).

We barely beat the Bengals (last second TD throw).

Lost to the Panthers.

Lost to the Colts (via a last-second TD pass by ORLOVSKY).

The offense is stagnant, even with Foster and Tate in there. No Schaub, no AJ, and an o-line that is getting its ass kicked on a regular basis in the pass game.

But you don't "get" the outcry?

:toropalm:

I'll have a sip of whatever you're drinking.

Jones dropped a game TYING TD.

Anyway, I understand the outcry about the last two games. However, to throw in comments about the WINS, is disgusting.

thunderkyss
12-24-2011, 12:34 PM
But you don't "get" the outcry?

:toropalm:

I'll have a sip of whatever you're drinking.

All this without our best players. We won some games we shouldn't have. We also lost some games we shouldn't have.

We're working on winning a Super Bowl.

Forget what this team was, or what it's supposed to be. This is the team we've got now, it is not a top 10 offense. It is what it is & we've got to find a way to win with what we've got.

Like it or not, the offense did enough to win. It wasn't pretty, it wasn't what we expected but it was enough to win that game.

SW H-TOWN
12-24-2011, 12:44 PM
Jones dropped a game TYING TD.

Anyway, I understand the outcry about the last two games. However, to throw in comments about the WINS, is disgusting.


Sorry, I don't think that comments about wins are disgusting. Example.....Even Kubiak said we played sloppy against the Bengals. If I see a player or players playing there ass off in a WIN OR LOSS I'll bring it up (J.J. Watt and Brice McCain played great football and I said so). On the other hand if a player or players or playing like crap in a WIN OR LOSS I will continue to voice my opinion. Win or loose, at this point in his career, #25 is a liability, and I believe that he should not be on the field. If we beat the Colts by 40 and Winston played like he did last night I would not hesitate to point out his struggles and also point out how the coaching staff did not game plan correctly (leaving him with no help vs a great speed rusher). Win or loose I will call it like I see it. Nobody is going to agree with everything that everyone writes. If you don't agree make a valid argument..... Why do you believe it is "disgusting" to throw in comments about the wins if the one who wrote the comment truly feels that way. Sorry for the rant.

SW H-TOWN
12-24-2011, 12:48 PM
Not exactly true. In one of his press conferences he said what he was most upset about was that two of the sacks came when we gave help, the line just didn't play to the help.

On that holding call where Winston got called for the holding. He had Dressen on the outside who chipped Mathis, but Winston allowed Mathis to beat him inside, away from the help.

I am sure I did not see it correctly. I need a to find a DVR in Costa Rica, thanks.

ThaShark316
12-24-2011, 12:48 PM
Sorry, I don't think that comments about wins are disgusting. Example.....Even Kubiak said we played sloppy against the Bengals. If I see a player or players playing there ass off in a WIN OR LOSS I'll bring it up (J.J. Watt and Brice McCain played great football and I said so). On the other hand if a player or players or playing like crap in a WIN OR LOSS I will continue to voice my opinion. Win or loose, at this point in his career, #25 is a liability, and I believe that he should not be on the field. If we beat the Colts by 40 and Winston played like he did last night I would not hesitate to point out his struggles and also point out how the coaching staff did not game plan correctly (leaving him with no help vs a great speed rusher). Win or loose I will call it like I see it. Nobody is going to agree with everything that everyone writes. If you don't agree make a valid argument..... Why do you believe it is "disgusting" to throw in comments about the wins if the one who wrote the comment truly feels that way. Sorry for the rant.

Sorry for what? Rants are fine.

Why not bring it up after the wins. Now that they lost 2 games it's okay? Miss me with that. Don't be sorry about your rant, though. Just like you're going to voice some ish, I'm going to voice mine.

EDIT: Seems like a lot of folks can't function with a winner. Can't wait to see "I'm glad I was wrong" on Saturday, January 7th. :lol:

Maddict5
12-24-2011, 01:04 PM
We almost lost to the Falcons (Jones dropped a game-winning TD).

We barely beat the Bengals (last second TD throw).

Lost to the Panthers.

Lost to the Colts (via a last-second TD pass by ORLOVSKY).

The offense is stagnant, even with Foster and Tate in there. No Schaub, no AJ, and an o-line that is getting its ass kicked on a regular basis in the pass game.

But you don't "get" the outcry?

:toropalm:

I'll have a sip of whatever you're drinking.

-firstly i dont see how your post is much of a retort to mine. why summarise the last 4 games (with the typical negative slant of course)? i know you're trying to justify the outcry but how does that relate to my point of the panthers and colts games not being playoff type games?

-despite your negative slant, you still cannot deny that we beat both of the good teams when the playoffs were on the line and lost to the worse teams when we were in. guess which of those games our home playoff game is going to resemble??

-also undeniable is the fact that the offence we saw in those big games v the falcs and bengals, while not as potent as when schaub is in there, was not 'stagnant'. i agree the offence v the colts especially seemed pretty vanilla in comparison. id like to think kubiak must be keeping the better stuff for the playoffs and/or because he didnt think the colts had the firepower to beat us so he kept it v basic.

-lastly, you went on to justify more of the reasoning why there shouldnt be an outcry because we lost! why are ppl mad when theres so many reasons to be dropping games right now. we're getting aj & hopefully briesel back. we're getting wade back. we'll have a home playoff game. thats the game to base your opinions on not some worthless week 16 game v the colts so until then im going to chill the **** out and i wish more ppl would do the same

SW H-TOWN
12-24-2011, 01:12 PM
Sorry for what? Rants are fine.

Why not bring it up after the wins. Now that they lost 2 games it's okay? Miss me with that. Don't be sorry about your rant, though. Just like you're going to voice some ish, I'm going to voice mine.

Just joined the board so that is why have not criticized players after wins. I live in a foreign country and I find this board extremely informative so I joined. You are right, rants are not bad. You make very valid points but when I saw the word "disgusting" used it struck a nerve. Maybe I misunderstood but I thought he had a valid point. Nothing personal.

ThaShark316
12-24-2011, 01:17 PM
Just joined the board so that is why have not criticized players after wins. I live in a foreign country and I find this board extremely informative so I joined. You are right, rants are not bad. You make very valid points but when I saw the word "disgusting" used it struck a nerve. Maybe I misunderstood but I thought he had a valid point. Nothing personal.

No issues here, my man.

fiasco west
12-24-2011, 01:21 PM
All this without our best players. We won some games we shouldn't have. We also lost some games we shouldn't have.

We're working on winning a Super Bowl.

Forget what this team was, or what it's supposed to be. This is the team we've got now, it is not a top 10 offense. It is what it is & we've got to find a way to win with what we've got.

Like it or not, the offense did enough to win. It wasn't pretty, it wasn't what we expected but it was enough to win that game.

If the Refs stayed out of the game perhaps now we'd be talking about how the Texans dug down deep again and won.

Hervoyel
12-24-2011, 01:44 PM
finding it hilarious that this loss has caused the whole 'woe is us we suck again' mentality to resurface.

we didnt go for the kill v the colts (same way we didnt v the jags) and just like v the jags i have no problem with it. for 59 mins i was rly confident that dano couldnt beat us the same way gabbert couldnt and it wouldve been turnovers that lost us the game. it came back and bit us in the ass (with a large assist to the refs).

so what? im not getting the whole outcry its caused. the game didnt mean much (we needed help for a bye anyway) and the game has no similiarity to how the playoff game/s will be played (i.e we're going to have to win those games instead of trying not to lose it) . were we conservative v the falcons or bengals??.... you know the actual playoff type games with something on the line.

the real reality of the situation is that that game had nothing to do in predicting our success or play in the playoffs.

I think you're wrong about "this loss" being the cause of that. I think it's this loss, the previous loss, and the shaky pair of wins that preceded that loss combined.

It's easy to keep thinking "We'll deal with it" when things are still turning out the way you want them to. It's tough to deny what you're seeing when games you should be winning are ending with a big fat "L" next to them.

I also think that this idea that we're somehow going to turn it on once the games become important again is flawed. We're going to go into the playoffs (at this rate) riding a three game losing streak and if this team can suddenly become competitive again I'll be stunned. Shocked (albeit pleasantly). This is a dangerous preconception if Gary's carrying this around with him. Really good teams have trouble downshifting and then getting back on it. We've been good for about 8 weeks if you can in fact still say that we are "good".

There's plenty of reason to be concerned right now. Plenty of reason to doubt.

thunderkyss
12-24-2011, 02:13 PM
Great post Herv.

I think you're wrong about "this loss" being the cause of that. I think it's this loss, the previous loss, and the shaky pair of wins that preceded that loss combined.

It's easy to keep thinking "We'll deal with it" when things are still turning out the way you want them to. It's tough to deny what you're seeing when games you should be winning are ending with a big fat "L" next to them.


I hear what you are saying. But, when you watched the Colts Thursday night, did they look like a 1 win team that had no business being on the field? Or did they look like they came to play?

I saw Pierre Garcon handling Jjo. Not that Jjo was half-ass'n it, but Garcon came to play. Freeny & Mathis came to play. Not saying that Winston didn't but we know his limitations. Duane did his thang.

Thinking we should win because the Colts are 1-13 or the Panthers or 5-9 isn't a good way to psyche yourself up for a game.


I also think that this idea that we're somehow going to turn it on once the games become important again is flawed. We're going to go into the playoffs (at this rate) riding a three game losing streak and if this team can suddenly become competitive again I'll be stunned. Shocked (albeit pleasantly). This is a dangerous preconception if Gary's carrying this around with him. Really good teams have trouble downshifting and then getting back on it. We've been good for about 8 weeks if you can in fact still say that we are "good".


It's not that I think we can "turn it on" Just like teams are watching film & figuring out our run game & Tj & our defense, we're watching film to find where our shortcomings are & where we can take advantage of some opportunities.

We're working on perfecting the game plan that gives us the best shot at going deep into the play-offs. You know resting those hopes on the shoulders of Tj Yates is not going to get us anywhere.

We've got to get better at running the ball when they know we're going to run. We've got to get better at running the ball when we don't have Aj to stretch the defense.

We've got to get better at protecting our QB when they know he'll fold under pressure. We've got to get better at catching the ball if it's anywhere close (looking at you Jacoby). We've got to get better at catching those underneath throws & turning them up field.

If we're going to win in the play-offs, everybody is going to have to step it up.

& we're going to play to our strengths.


There's plenty of reason to be concerned right now. Plenty of reason to doubt.

To be concerned? Yes

To doubt? No, I don't see it.

:texan:

TejasTom
12-25-2011, 01:35 PM
Not exactly true. In one of his press conferences he said what he was most upset about was that two of the sacks came when we gave help, the line just didn't play to the help.

On that holding call where Winston got called for the holding. He had Dressen on the outside who chipped Mathis, but Winston allowed Mathis to beat him inside, away from the help.

It was one worse than that. From Friday's press conference.

(on if RT Eric Winston’s penalties and pass protection in the last month are a concern) “No. Eric’s a consistent player for us. He struggled with (Robert) Mathis. I mean, they’ve got Pro Bowl players on both sides. Two great players, been doing it a long, long time. The biggest disappointment for me, we had four sacks. Three out of those for sacks came when we were actually trying to help our tackles. They weren’t even singled up. We didn’t play well toward our help, without me getting into a bunch of football stuff. We need to play to our help better when we’re getting it and we didn’t do that. We’ve got to protect our quarterback a lot better than we did.”

devo-x
12-25-2011, 07:56 PM
We only have a 2-game losing streak that can be reversed next weekend against the Titans with Wade & AJ back knocking the Titans out of the playoffs

TheMatrix31
12-25-2011, 11:20 PM
If the Refs stayed out of the game perhaps now we'd be talking about how the Texans dug down deep again and won.

No, we WOULD be talking about that, because the game was over like three times.

Ktexan68
12-26-2011, 10:58 AM
The hard cold truth is that the injuries have finally caught up with us. As a 10 year season ticket holder, I'm pretty bitter about this year. We finally have a winning team and because of all these injuries, I can't even enjoy it. What have we done to deserve this? I do think the future looks pretty bright but you never know what will happen from year to year. I sure hope we don't lose Wade.

GP
12-26-2011, 11:16 AM
-firstly i dont see how your post is much of a retort to mine. why summarise the last 4 games (with the typical negative slant of course)? i know you're trying to justify the outcry but how does that relate to my point of the panthers and colts games not being playoff type games?

-despite your negative slant, you still cannot deny that we beat both of the good teams when the playoffs were on the line and lost to the worse teams when we were in. guess which of those games our home playoff game is going to resemble??

-also undeniable is the fact that the offence we saw in those big games v the falcs and bengals, while not as potent as when schaub is in there, was not 'stagnant'. i agree the offence v the colts especially seemed pretty vanilla in comparison. id like to think kubiak must be keeping the better stuff for the playoffs and/or because he didnt think the colts had the firepower to beat us so he kept it v basic.

-lastly, you went on to justify more of the reasoning why there shouldnt be an outcry because we lost! why are ppl mad when theres so many reasons to be dropping games right now. we're getting aj & hopefully briesel back. we're getting wade back. we'll have a home playoff game. thats the game to base your opinions on not some worthless week 16 game v the colts so until then im going to chill the **** out and i wish more ppl would do the same

Don't be getting all pissy because me and some others aren't patting you on the back and rubber-stamping everything you say.

The new poster had a valid point when he/she said that you can have your opinion, I can have mine, and that you don't have go Drama Queen on me because we differ on the topic. Grow up, and own your posts and stop trying to instigate a fight over it.

Nobody is jumping off bridges over the recent losing streak (as you are implying). Some are just taking a thousand-foot overhead view of the past four games and we don't like the trend. Sue us.

Sorry for what? Rants are fine.

Why not bring it up after the wins. Now that they lost 2 games it's okay? Miss me with that. Don't be sorry about your rant, though. Just like you're going to voice some ish, I'm going to voice mine.

EDIT: Seems like a lot of folks can't function with a winner. Can't wait to see "I'm glad I was wrong" on Saturday, January 7th. :lol:

You know what sucks? People on here who play the "Oh me of great virtue!" card when it comes to who has faith in this team and who doesn't. I generally like your analysis and football talk, but the whole "I have faith and others don't" schtick is old.

I didn't bring up the problems after the Cincy game because it would be a dyck move to do so. We just won the AFC South after that win in Cincy, it was time for celebration...not for nit-picking. I also stated that even if we are 1-and-done in the playoffs, that this year would be an alright year in my book--First playoff game in franchise history, first AFC South title in franchise history, and all of this with horrible injuries to our key players on both sides of the ball.

All in all, I try to not be too much homer and not too much Doug Downer either.

The previous poster who said the injuries have caught up with us, IMO, is spot on with that post. At some point, it just happens. Your team has been through so much, you're tired and banged up yourself, and the help is lacking.

GP
12-26-2011, 11:26 AM
I'd like to think kubiak must be keeping the better stuff for the playoffs and/or because he didnt think the colts had the firepower to beat us so he kept it v basic.

I am going to address this comment because lots of people make this comment and it's just not factual.

Answer me this: We've had 14 games up to the point in time when we faced the Colts. Why would Kubiak "go basic" when teams will be able to FULLY examine the previous 14 games of film on us?

I can understand Kubiak going vanilla in the Jaguars game, he needed to get out of Jax with a healthy QB in Yates.

But this idea that Kubiak is saving stuff for the playoffs? I would like to think that with a FIRST ROUND BYE on the table, that Kubiak would pull out all the stops to get his guys two weeks of rest by winning out the remaining two games.

Instead, the whole game (other than Foster going bananas whenever he touched the ball) was disconnected and looked awkward on offense.

That Colts game was the first time this season that I didn't like anything we did all game long on offense. The play calling was predictable, for this armchair QB at least, and it seemed Herring was also not dialing in the right calls too.

Getting Wade Phillips back will help, IMO. He's more valuable to us than even Joseph and Manning have been, IMO. The guys on defense just have a better chance with him calling the shots and leading the team in and out of the locker room. The offense will not improve unless Winston wises up on pass pro, AJ can remain a factor in games, and Yates makes the right reads...a tall order if you ask me.

We gotta' win with defense. Period.

badboy
12-26-2011, 11:32 AM
We're looking at 10-6

You gotta know that if we can't beat the Colts with Dan Orlovsky at QB then we're not going to be able to beat Tennessee next week. What's worse is we're not going to win a playoff game either.

It's been fun pretending for the last four weeks that we were going to be fine but the truth is that the moment Schaub went down any chance that we were going to remain effective on offense went out the window. Leinart was the slim hope that a miracle might happen but once he went down too even that was out of the question.

AJ going down with the second hamstring was like the exclamation point on the end of that.

Brisiel getting hurt was the "WHAT PART OF SHOW'S OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?" that followed the exclamation point.

Yates isn't ready and may never be. Kubiak doesn't trust him and probably wouldn't be ready to give him any real latitude with the offense in three years much less three weeks. Delhomme and Garcia don't know the offense well enough and Kubiak won't trust them either. In short we don't have a QB.

At WR we've got nobody after Andre Johnson. OK, so Kevin Walter actually belongs on an NFL roster but past him they're all camp scrubs. None of them can get open regularly and Jacoby is ****ing useless. Even if we did have a QB we don't have a credible receiving threat.

No, Owen Daniels isn't a credible receiving threat. At least not one that's difficult to defense.

Our vaunted offensive line is thin. Even our starters are kind of overrated. When Brisiel went down we all secretly hoped that it was an opportunity for Caldwell to get a shot and prove what a steal he was. That didn't happen. He's pathetic and if he's an example of the depth we have on the line we got another need position come draft time.

Frankly once you take away our QB, our All Pro WR, Mario, and Wade Phillips we aren't even as good as the 6-10 2010 Texans.

This season was progress and it was fun but it's over now and reality has reasserted itself. We're getting run by losing teams and going to back into the playoffs. Maybe we won't slide back to 6-10 or 7-9 again next year. Maybe we'll get these players back and take another step forward. One things certain though. As we are today we're done.I definitely get your fustration but this team has not reached the point yet that we can go to a 3rd string QB and do much. I was pleasantly startled Yates did what he did. Gary doesn't trust him? Well, I guess not as he is just a 5th round pick. Not sure if you get that? I want to see Yates after he has OTA's & a T.C. behind him. IMO, he is #2 coming in next year.

You are correct on AJ & JJ but I disagree with you on Daniels. Our team was not set up for a TE to be our #1 go to guy, injuries lead to that and Colts schemed to take him out of equation successfully. That is on Kubiak.

We made huge advances with our last draft and the next one should allow us to fill the hole @WR2 and add strength to our backups. We just are not there yet. I know it was great watching us clinch a division in spite of our injuries.

GP
12-26-2011, 11:39 AM
Jamie Dukes is looking like a genius now. Which sucks.

He said he didn't see as great of a future in the Texans as he did in the other top AFC teams. Whether by fate, circumstances, or whatever, he's looking like he made the right call.

Doesn't excuse his a-hole'ish comments about how we celebrated the AFC South title, but still...this team appears to be leveling off and settling into a second-tier team in the AFC.

thunderkyss
12-26-2011, 03:00 PM
The hard cold truth is that the injuries have finally caught up with us. As a 10 year season ticket holder, I'm pretty bitter about this year. We finally have a winning team and because of all these injuries, I can't even enjoy it. What have we done to deserve this? I do think the future looks pretty bright but you never know what will happen from year to year. I sure hope we don't lose Wade.

It's the coaches job to deal with injuries. So I don't cry when we've experienced them. I expect a good coach to be able to pick it up & move on.

I don't think we should have gone undefeated. I really don't put a number on "acceptable" losses until the play-off picture is clear.

We clinched our division at week 14, giving us three weeks to prepare for the play-offs. Working on controlling the game & getting better at what we do. I don't think we should be "experimenting" with personnel or fantasy numbers or turning our rookie 5th round scout team QB into Aaron Rogers.

Think about how we won 7 in a row, that's who we are, that's what we need to perfect. That's the game plan we'll impose our will on play-off teams.

While I don't think the injuries have caught up with us, I do think we had trouble getting Caldwell up to game speed. Eric Winston giving up the sack & hold to his inside may have been because he was expecting Caldwell there. There was another sack where it appears Vickers thought Caldwell was getting beat on the inside so he ran into Yates as he was attempting to throw, causing Tj to pull the ball down & get sacked. Several of our runs, it looked as if Caldwell incorrectly identified the player he needs to block, causing a free runner to the RB.

Caldwell gets better, this team gets a lot better.

Or if Brisiel comes back as strong as Danieal did.

thunderkyss
12-26-2011, 03:06 PM
We gotta' win with defense. Period.

Good post.

Defense & the running game. We've got to win T.O.P. & put points on the board, otherwise we're the Browns or the Jags.

buddyboy
12-26-2011, 03:19 PM
Don't be getting all pissy because me and some others aren't patting you on the back and rubber-stamping everything you say.

The new poster had a valid point when he/she said that you can have your opinion, I can have mine, and that you don't have go Drama Queen on me because we differ on the topic. Grow up, and own your posts and stop trying to instigate a fight over it.

Nobody is jumping off bridges over the recent losing streak (as you are implying). Some are just taking a thousand-foot overhead view of the past four games and we don't like the trend. Sue us.


I didn't see anything in his post but fair opinions addressed to the arguments you made. Stop attacking the person, address the issues.

ThaShark316
12-26-2011, 03:24 PM
You know what sucks? People on here who play the "Oh me of great virtue!" card when it comes to who has faith in this team and who doesn't. I generally like your analysis and football talk, but the whole "I have faith and others don't" schtick is old.

I didn't bring up the problems after the Cincy game because it would be a dyck move to do so. We just won the AFC South after that win in Cincy, it was time for celebration...not for nit-picking. I also stated that even if we are 1-and-done in the playoffs, that this year would be an alright year in my book--First playoff game in franchise history, first AFC South title in franchise history, and all of this with horrible injuries to our key players on both sides of the ball.

All in all, I try to not be too much homer and not too much Doug Downer either.

The previous poster who said the injuries have caught up with us, IMO, is spot on with that post. At some point, it just happens. Your team has been through so much, you're tired and banged up yourself, and the help is lacking.

Hold on, playa.

Bring it all up. Why not? The coach did it. And last I checked, texanstalk.com knows more than Kubiak. :aggressive:

GP
12-26-2011, 03:28 PM
Good post.

Defense & the running game. We've got to win T.O.P. & put points on the board, otherwise we're the Browns or the Jags.

Yep.

Outside of this, there's not much else for everyone to talk about. IMO.

Defense. Time of possession. Points on the board, and I ain't talking field goals.

I might add in there the turnover ratio has to be in our favor.

GP
12-26-2011, 03:36 PM
Hold on, playa.

Bring it all up. Why not? The coach did it. And last I checked, texanstalk.com knows more than Kubiak. :aggressive:

All this big talk that you do, about how people can get on board or get the hell out if we don't believe in the team...the big bad dog barking tactic of saying you're going to laugh at everybody in January after we win...etc....it's just Super Fan bullshit that attempts to divide people on here.

It's easier for you to say that shit, and then if it doesn't happen nobody is going to make fun of you for "having the faith when others didn't." But if your predictions come true, you get to gloat about it and point out how people don't know football and blah blah blah.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that notices it, though. We all expect our team to perform its best, but there's nothing wrong with saying the trending data doesn't look as favorable as it did in the midst of the Falcons and Bengals game.

IMO, the narrow wins vs. Falcons and Bengals coupled with the losses to Panthers and Colts has become a bit unsettling. Multiple factors are in play, but the idea that Kubiak is holding back the offense to not show his cards to a potential playoff opponent is the ultimate "homer" tactic.

Run along and go make your predictable "We're going to win the next ___ games and if you don't believe it then you can leave" thread.

GP
12-26-2011, 03:40 PM
I didn't see anything in his post but fair opinions addressed to the arguments you made. Stop attacking the person, address the issues.

Awww geez, quit trolling already.

I write NOVEL LENGTH posts that detail my stances on things, for THIS very purpose...so you and nobody else can ever claim I'm merely attacking a person and not the position.

You're just trying to get a jab in on me, and it's absurd to claim that I'm attacking him. You've been butt hurt from day 1 with me because I don't rah-rah! Kareem Jackson like you want me and everyone else to. You even sent me a novel length PM trying to get me to dedicate even MORE time, in private, tot he topic of KJ, which I obliged you ONCE and will never do again. Just put me on ignore if I'm that bad, but don't try to be the judge and jury around here on things like this. Geez almighty. LOL.

ThaShark316
12-26-2011, 04:52 PM
All this big talk that you do, about how people can get on board or get the hell out if we don't believe in the team...the big bad dog barking tactic of saying you're going to laugh at everybody in January after we win...etc....it's just Super Fan bullshit that attempts to divide people on here.

I joked around on that whole post. The :lol: didn't give it away?

It's easier for you to say that shit, and then if it doesn't happen nobody is going to make fun of you for "having the faith when others didn't." But if your predictions come true, you get to gloat about it and point out how people don't know football and blah blah blah.

That "I know more than you" stuff won't ever come out my mouth.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that notices it, though. We all expect our team to perform its best, but there's nothing wrong with saying the trending data doesn't look as favorable as it did in the midst of the Falcons and Bengals game.

That's what I'm saying. Speak on it after the Ws too. Don't change for the sake of "not being an asshole". Be an asshole if you have to. You don't have to lie to kick it. (Look up the term "lie to kick it" if you have no clue what I mean, sir.)

IMO, the narrow wins vs. Falcons and Bengals coupled with the losses to Panthers and Colts has become a bit unsettling. Multiple factors are in play, but the idea that Kubiak is holding back the offense to not show his cards to a potential playoff opponent is the ultimate "homer" tactic.

Run along and go make your predictable "We're going to win the next ___ games and if you don't believe it then you can leave" thread.

I won't...yet. Shark Fassel returns in 2012 though.


My answers are in bold. Now "Run along" and type out your reply/novel.

Double Barrel
12-27-2011, 04:29 PM
so what? im not getting the whole outcry its caused.

That game was the first time in NFL history that a 1 win team beat a 10 win team.

Let that sink in for a moment. Do you understand why 10 win teams don't lose to 1 win teams? And can you now see why this might be disconcerting to some Texans fans?

As far as the game not meaning anything...let's not forget playoff positions and the Texans history in Indy. That game had meaning. Unfortunately, now it means something else with the Texans bringing home yet another crappy NFL first record for our scrapbook.

Texecutioner
12-27-2011, 05:58 PM
finding it hilarious that this loss has caused the whole 'woe is us we suck again' mentality to resurface.

we didnt go for the kill v the colts (same way we didnt v the jags) and just like v the jags i have no problem with it. for 59 mins i was rly confident that dano couldnt beat us the same way gabbert couldnt and it wouldve been turnovers that lost us the game. it came back and bit us in the ass (with a large assist to the refs).

so what? im not getting the whole outcry its caused. the game didnt mean much (we needed help for a bye anyway) and the game has no similiarity to how the playoff game/s will be played (i.e we're going to have to win those games instead of trying not to lose it) . were we conservative v the falcons or bengals??.... you know the actual playoff type games with something on the line.

the real reality of the situation is that that game had nothing to do in predicting our success or play in the playoffs.

We could go 0-16, and you'd never think we sucked and you'd still be dishing out these attacks at other fans or posters in here who give out constructive criticism on how the coach calls a game or how management runs this franchise. Hell, all last season in just about every post I read of yours you were defending our HC who went 6-10 in his 5th season as a HC and launching the "super fan" attacks.

I don't see anyone stating that this team sucks now. That's a flat out lie or feel free to show me several posts where fans are stating that we suck now. If you didn't think that you'd see or hear some concerned fans after losing to a team that was in disarray with Dan O. at QB, than I'm not sure what planet you were living on, but you can be rest assured that even Packers fans would be a little bit ticked off at losing a game like that right now when division seeds are on the line and that game DID MEAN SOMETHING whether you want to act like it did or not. It determined playoff seed.

thunderkyss
12-27-2011, 08:09 PM
That game was the first time in NFL history that a 1 win team beat a 10 win team.

Let that sink in for a moment. Do you understand why 10 win teams don't lose to 1 win teams? And can you now see why this might be disconcerting to some Texans fans?

As far as the game not meaning anything...let's not forget playoff positions and the Texans history in Indy. That game had meaning. Unfortunately, now it means something else with the Texans bringing home yet another crappy NFL first record for our scrapbook.

I think this hits the nail on the head. For those that still don't get it, WE ARE NOT A TEN WIN TEAM, & have not been since Matt II broke his collar bone. Add a new right guard into the mix (with some obvious communication issues) & you get what we got.

We've got a team that needs to learn how to win, how to take that game plan you saw Thursday & score 37 points against a completly inferior opponent like the Bucs or the Colts.

Kubiak has one more week to get her done, or it's one & done.

Double Barrel
12-28-2011, 12:32 PM
I think this hits the nail on the head. For those that still don't get it, WE ARE NOT A TEN WIN TEAM, & have not been since Matt II broke his collar bone. Add a new right guard into the mix (with some obvious communication issues) & you get what we got.

We've got a team that needs to learn how to win, how to take that game plan you saw Thursday & score 37 points against a completly inferior opponent like the Bucs or the Colts.

Kubiak has one more week to get her done, or it's one & done.

The bolded is where fans' expectations must be tempered by reality.

It's not 'doom and gloom' to recognize that our current talent level places this team in a precarious position, one that will most likely result in a three game losing streak going into the playoffs.

After the Falcons and Bengals games, it seemed like the collective talent and will of the team could overcome losing Schaub.

The last two games proves otherwise. I like Yates, but honestly, this would be a 6-8 win team if he was the starting QB from game 1. Now that defenses have tape on him, he's playing like a rookie QB thrown to the wolves.

HJam72
12-28-2011, 01:00 PM
Tigers. He'll probly be thrown to the Bengals. :boogereater:

thunderkyss
12-28-2011, 02:55 PM
The last two games proves otherwise. I like Yates, but honestly, this would be a 6-8 win team if he was the starting QB from game 1. Now that defenses have tape on him, he's playing like a rookie QB thrown to the wolves.

I wouldn't go that far. He's still a pretty poised QB. I don't know that we have any measurable that say he is getting better yet, but he looks like he's making "smarter" decisions, as conservative as they may be.

I don't think he's any more hurried by the pass rush than he was since his first snap. I did see a little panic when Vickers ran into him & made him pull the ball down & I did see him ignore the left half of the field & scramble on one of his 3rd down throws.

But if Kubiak is happy with the direction Tj is going, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

TheMatrix31
12-29-2011, 12:28 AM
You can have all the defense you want. If you can't score, that defense doesn't mean a lick of a shit.

Double Barrel
12-29-2011, 04:51 PM
You can have all the defense you want. If you can't score, that defense doesn't mean a lick of a shit.

yep. Like Warren Sapp said, defenses may win championships, but they don't march down the field in a two minute drive to win the game. That's all offense.

Texecutioner
12-29-2011, 05:05 PM
You can have all the defense you want. If you can't score, that defense doesn't mean a lick of a shit.

Tell that to the Ravens, The Bucs, and the Bears who all went to a SB and won two out of three with just defense all in this last decade.

Of course you have to score, but having an elite defense year in and year out can typically keep you at the top of the league for many years. The Saints had great offenses for years, but didn't get to a SB, until they put a really good defense together. The only year the Colts went to the SB was the year they really turned on the D in the post season when Sanders came back and dominated like crazy and when they had one of the best defenses in the league when they lost to the Saints with the Manning pick 6.


I think the easiest proven formula that wins a SB or makes you a top team year in and year out is having a great QB with a very good defense where the rest of the team sort of falls in place. Great defense and a great QB is what wins it all in the end.

TheMatrix31
12-29-2011, 09:13 PM
Yeah I definitely understand. I think I'd rather have a great offense and a good defense than a great defense and a good offense. I just hate situations where teams (like the Jets) have this strong D but they can't win because they simply cannot score. I just think its a waste. Gotta have an all-time D to have a situation where you win with a thoroughly inept scoring offense.

Because I'd trust my guys to score more than yours regardless. Just get one or two stops and who cares otherwise.

Top 2 or 3 offense with a defense somewhere between 10 and 15.

Those Ravens/Bucs Ds were all-time Ds though, and I recall the Bears' D being a bit better than ours (dont know statistically or anything though, maybe not?). Made it easier to win with Dilfer, Johnson, and get there with Grossman.

I don't know, we'll see what happens. Still think Andre's key. Spacing is everything for this offense.

ThaShark316
01-07-2012, 07:46 PM
What's worse is we're not going to win a playoff game either.

One things certain though. As we are today we're done.

I think the players heard you, herv.

Hervoyel
01-07-2012, 09:17 PM
I think the players heard you, herv.

Outcome positive

Reason irrelevant.

I'm happy. Lets go to Baltimore and see if they choke. My Steeler fan side is now focused entirely on a Steelers win in New England. That creates my dream scenario which is Steelers at Texans for AFC Championship and trip to the Super Bowl.

Let it be so.

Corrosion
01-07-2012, 09:19 PM
If they play like they did today next weekend ..... They could leave Baltimore winners.


Im not looking at next season till they are knocked out of this one .... :trophy:

DocBar
01-07-2012, 09:38 PM
Outcome positive

Reason irrelevant.

I'm happy. Lets go to Baltimore and see if they choke. My Steeler fan side is now focused entirely on a Steelers win in New England. That creates my dream scenario which is Steelers at Texans for AFC Championship and trip to the Super Bowl.

Let it be so.The Steelers coming to Houston for an AFC CG IS adream scenario. Too bad the Cowpies couldn't get into the playoffs and hold up their end of the dream scenario. Baltimore, Pitt and NE are winnable for us, if we see some O like we did today. TJ and AJ will continue to gain some chemistry, so why not a Hou/GB Super Bowl with Hou winning?

thunderkyss
01-07-2012, 11:10 PM
If they play like they did today next weekend ..... They could leave Baltimore winners.


Im not looking at next season till they are knocked out of this one .... :trophy:
I've been saying for the last couple of weeks, this game plan gives us the best chance to win, defense, running the ball & smart play from the QB.

He may need to throw it more next week, if we get down, or struggle to run the ball, but if I had my rathers, it would look like the Jags game.

But I'm sure our first priority Monday, we'll go over the Baltimore. Game & identify why we were able to run when we did & why we couldn't when we didn't.

Corrosion
01-07-2012, 11:13 PM
I've been saying for the last couple of weeks, this game plan gives us the best chance to win, defense, running the ball & smart play from the QB.

He may need to throw it more next week, if we get down, or struggle to run the ball, but if I had my rathers, it would look like the Jags game.

But I'm sure our first priority Monday, we'll go over the Baltimore. Game & identify why we were able to run when we did & why we couldn't when we didn't.

Yeah , seems like they solved that riddle against the Bengals as they held Foster to 15 carries and 42 yards in that first meeting .... Today Foster ran wild on them.

EllisUnit
01-07-2012, 11:18 PM
Yeah , seems like they solved that riddle against the Bengals as they held Foster to 15 carries and 42 yards in that first meeting .... Today Foster ran wild on them.

We also had AJ today, he does wonders just being on the field !!

Hervoyel
01-09-2012, 11:30 AM
So no Steelers @ Houston AFC Championship Game. Guess we need to beat Baltimore somehow and get our Tebow-mania caps on.

Denver @ New England is Saturday so both the Texans and Ravens will know if a trip to New England is the reward for a win or getting to host the AFCCG is the prize. I wonder if that will be on anyones mind come game-time? I think if Denver pulls out a win somehow that you could make a case for potential distraction for either team.

Thorn
01-09-2012, 01:08 PM
So no Steelers @ Houston AFC Championship Game. Guess we need to beat Baltimore somehow and get our Tebow-mania caps on.

Denver @ New England is Saturday so both the Texans and Ravens will know if a trip to New England is the reward for a win or getting to host the AFCCG is the prize. I wonder if that will be on anyones mind come game-time? I think if Denver pulls out a win somehow that you could make a case for potential distraction for either team.

And the way the stars are aligning for Denver, I'm not so sure both Baltimore and Houston wouldn't rather travel to New England anyway. :lol: