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theminnesotan
06-17-2004, 07:55 PM
Give me the most improved team in the nfl and tell me who makes them better

StarStruck
06-17-2004, 08:21 PM
None of the above.
Eagles -- still can't win the big one
Patriots -- took a year to regroup
Vikings -- don't remember
Bucks -- you're kidding, right?
Texans -- only second year in the league, but expect vast improvement in the next two years
Raiders -- another joke, right?

My vote would go to the Dallas Cowboys (Roy Williams, Terrance Newman, Bill Parcells), the Carolina Panthers (Jake Delhomme, Stephen Davis, J. Peppers, John Fox) and Kansas City Chiefs (Dante Hall, Priest Holmes, Trent Green, **** Vermeil).

aj.
06-17-2004, 08:39 PM
Not sure how the Pats or Panthers could be the most improved since they made it to the SB, but my answer is also none of the above as the Detroit Lions could surprise everyone this year and make the wild card because of the addition of Kevin Jones, Roy Williams, Teddy Lehmann, Tai Streets, Fernando Bryant, and Brock Marion (if he stays out of jail). Arizona and the Nutty Professor will also surprise IMO.

Fiddy
06-17-2004, 09:00 PM
Vikings because they upgraded there pass rush with Udeze and got their shut down corner in Winfield. Their offense is already hard to stop.

Corrosion
06-18-2004, 06:47 AM
the Raiders ..... no where to go but up from last years mess of a season

Doug
06-18-2004, 08:06 AM
I agree with aj. I think the lions are going to surprise alot of people. I've noticed on a few other team boards where they think the lions are going to be an easy win but I think Detroit's going to be tough. It's going to take a while for their guys to develope chemistry but they've had dramatic improvement in the offseason.

WWJD
06-18-2004, 08:17 AM
Isn't this the Texans 3rd year in the league?

TheOgre
06-18-2004, 08:39 AM
I think the Raiders rebound and end up about 9-7. They have added the best OT and best C from this draft. They will have a healthy Gannon and Porter. They rebuilt their DL (with Ted Washington and Warren Sapp), which was the weakness of the team. They added their QB of the future in Kerry Collins. Perhaps Charles Woodson can stay healthy for a full season. I like them to be much better this year.

Lucky
06-18-2004, 11:26 AM
On paper, Washington seems to be very much improved over the past season. Of course they are the perennial off season champs, so what does this stuff mean anyway? Still, they added 5 new starters on defense and 3 on offense. Sure they lost a playmaker in Champ Bailey, but they picked up 2 in Clinton Portis & Sean Taylor. Maybe the most important addition is Joe Gibbs as head coach. Unlike the previous Washington administration ( :) ), these guys are of professional caliber and understand what it takes to succeed. Bringing in Joe Bugel to school the Skins talented, but embattled, offensive line is an enormous addition.

But donít forget about improvement from within. Thatís the department where the Texans would rank very high in. Andre Johnson, Domanick Davis, Antwan Peek, Seth Wand, and Tony Hollings are entering their 2nd season and coming off their 1st full offseason in the Texansí program. Yes, the Texans will have some star defenders returning. But, donít forget the experience gained by guys like Faggins who were forced into action because of the injuries. I also like the addition of a QB coach to help aid in the development of Carr, especially on the sidelines on gameday. Really, I expect to see a major jump in the Texans play this season, particularly in winning games at Reliant. A 6-2 or even 7-1 home record is not out of the question considering just how tough a building it is for a visitor to play in.

keyfro
06-19-2004, 01:10 PM
to do this poll right the teams should have been the ones in the middle of rebuilding

teams like:

raiders(still rebuilding)
chargers
lions
cards
texans
giants
49ers(actually destructing)

those are the real teams this poll should have been about

beerlover
06-19-2004, 01:43 PM
Jacksonville should be on this list, but given that, I would still pick the Raiders to have the biggest turnaround this year. Remember they have the second farthest to improve (nobody is taking the Chargers) and the year before they where in the Superbowl. :hehe:

Ediddy73
06-21-2004, 12:59 PM
Honestly, I know that this is the official Texans board, but 11 of you homers think that we are the most improved? Who signed, Kearse and T.O. and stole a good OT in the draft, sent him to a nasal specialist who removed pollups from his nose so he can breathe now? Not us!!
Who signed Sapp, Kerry Collins, big Ted Washington, drafted the best OT to come out since Boselli? Not us!!
what did we exactly do that made us better than Philly or oakland? we're going to be starting a rookie CB and our other CB is coming of surgery for a serious groin pull. We have a rookie LB from a mid-major school who may be our pass rusher or may be our Keith Mcants. Our biggest moves were signing Wade and Smith, and BTW Payne still has not fully recovered from his ACL. Do you honestly think that signing those two is better for us than Philly getting Kearse and TO, or Oakland getting Sapp and Gallery and Collins? You guys are the same people who post threads like, " how would insert the name of some cast off problem player from another team here look in steel blue?" I find it highly unlikely that there is an Antonio Bryant on philly's or Oaklands site. Are we improved? certainly. are we the most improved? come on, why even put us on the list? I guess it is time to coin the phrase "steel blue colored glasses" :twocents: :soapbox:

Blake
06-21-2004, 01:08 PM
Honestly, I know that this is the official Texans board, but 11 of you homers think that we are the most improved?

Who signed, Kearse and T.O. and stole a good OT in the draft, sent him to a nasal specialist who removed pollups from his nose so he can breathe now? Not us!!

Who signed Sapp, Kerry Collins, big Ted Washington, drafted the best OT to come out since Boselli? Not us!!

what did we exactly do that made us better than Philly or oakland?

Who lost their two pro-bowl corners? Philly.
Who signed an over the hill DT? Oak. Who had the second pick in the draft? Oak.
Im not saying the Texans are the most improved. What I am saying is that Oakland and Philly are also not that team.

Ediddy73
06-21-2004, 01:48 PM
Who lost their two pro-bowl corners? Philly.
Who signed an over the hill DT? Oak. Who had the second pick in the draft? Oak.
Im not saying the Texans are the most improved. What I am saying is that Oakland and Philly are also not that team.
...and if you rank the 3, we come in third IMO. What is Philly doing at CB now? Starting a rookie ( Matt Ware)? Gee, why does that sound so familiar? Would you trade Taylor and Vincent for Dhani Jones, TO, and Kearse? Washington, hey didn't he anchor a Super Bowl defensive line last year? Yeah, he's 37 but he was 36 last year and he got his ring last week. Oakland took the best football player in the draft at #2, exactly how does that count against them?

Blake
06-21-2004, 02:24 PM
...and if you rank the 3, we come in third IMO. What is Philly doing at CB now? Starting a rookie ( Matt Ware)? Gee, why does that sound so familiar?

oooh, so a rookie CB is a rookie CB is a rookie CB. Having two pro bowl corners, one on each side, made any offense afraid to throw the ball. Now a team can throw to either side against them.

Would you trade Taylor and Vincent for Dhani Jones, TO, and Kearse?

NO!

Dhani Jones is a ok Linebacker, nothing special.
TO is a egotistical, whiner. Who will do more damage than he will help them.
And Kearse. He will help. For the first 3 games, before he breaks or tears something.

Just because you add three big name players, doesnt mean a thing. They have to produce.

Washington, hey didn't he anchor a Super Bowl defensive line last year? Yeah, he's 37 but he was 36 last year and he got his ring last week.

Now this argument I have no problem with. Washington is a great addition.

Oakland took the best football player in the draft at #2, exactly how does that count against them?

I'm just saying that its not hard to improve this team from what it was last year. They had nowhere to go but up. And just because you think Gallery is the "best football player in the draft" doesnt mean that he is. Remember that.

Ediddy73
06-21-2004, 03:15 PM
oooh, so a rookie CB is a rookie CB is a rookie CB. Having two pro bowl corners, one on each side, made any offense afraid to throw the ball. Now a team can throw to either side against them.



NO!

Dhani Jones is a ok Linebacker, nothing special.
TO is a egotistical, whiner. Who will do more damage than he will help them.
And Kearse. He will help. For the first 3 games, before he breaks or tears something.

Just because you add three big name players, doesnt mean a thing. They have to produce.



Now this argument I have no problem with. Washington is a great addition.



I'm just saying that its not hard to improve this team from what it was last year. They had nowhere to go but up. And just because you think Gallery is the "best football player in the draft" doesnt mean that he is. Remember that.
Remember that? What is there going to be a ****ing quiz before the season starts? Remember that :rolleyes: oh, that's a priceless blast against TO coming from a guy who is actually started a thread proclaiming the benefit of picking up Antonio Bryant or , TO without the proof of talent as I like to call him. Remember that? I can link it for you if you don't "remember that"! does it hurt you tremendously to yap out of both sides of your grille like that, or is your jawbone just double jointed? Oh and your right, where a rookie is selected is a direct correlation to how well he will do. For instance Robinson will be much better than Matt Ware, because he was drafted ahead of him right? signed Anquan Boldin in a letter to Charles Rogers and a similar letter from Dominic Davis to BJ Askew..
Now this argument I have no problem with. Washington is a great addition
Who signed an over the hill DT? Oak. were you refering to the over the hill Sapp who is younger and has more upside than Washington, Or were you refering to Washington, whom you later tout as a great addition? Which exactly are you talking about double-talk?
Just for fun, here is your position on signing JJ Stokes;
Meh. I think we have enought WR to suffice right now.
then a week later you had this to say about Joe Horn
Sign him 2-3 years. Anymore would be a waste. To bad he will sign a 7 year deal with some **** team then about a week later you started your Antonio Bryant thread.........
more DC rock hypocracy..on the 49ers..
While anything can happen, do you really think teams like San Diego, and the 49ers have any chance? and then...
Yeah, they need some work. But dont sell them short.
Couch/Rattay throwing the pigskin to Cedrick Wilson, Curtis Conway, Brandon Lloyd, and Rashaun Woods, with Barlow running the ball.
Doesnt sound as bad as it is.
you should really run for public office DC, you've got the wishy-washy mentality for it. Remember that. Even if you don't agree with me right now, that is fine. I am patient enough to wait for you to pull a complete 180 on a given subject as you are so apt to do. :D

Blake
06-21-2004, 03:40 PM
Oh, were going to start the contradicting game. Let me try one.

Antonio Bryant Poll
Why not have him play for us, instead of against us?

because he is a selfish punk ***!!

Yet when we talk about Philly getting T.O., you are all for them getting a "selfish punk ***!"

Anyways back to the thread. I dont think the Texans are the most improved. I think the Vikes did a great job. I like their draft, and I like their FA pickups. My fav. was Antoine Winfield. I think he will be the key to the vikes going into the playoffs. JMO.

TheOgre
06-21-2004, 03:49 PM
I thought Lito Sheppard (1st round pick in 2002) and Shelton Brown (2nd round pick in 2002) were starting for the Eagles at CB this season. Is that not accurate? http://www.ourlads.com/secure/depthchart.cfm?index1=phi

They both had a ton of p.t. last year. They may not be Vincent and Taylor in their primes, but I think they will do fine. They are already starting SS Michael Lewis (2nd round pick in 2002) from that draft class. I have a feeling they will do alright there.

Blake
06-21-2004, 03:54 PM
Im not sure how they will do this year. I think they will be exposed.

Ediddy73
06-21-2004, 03:57 PM
just for clarity DC, and to quash any further flaming, Antonio Bryant is a selfish punk ***, as is TO. TO is also a big-time, big-game Pro-Bowl reciever who has proven his worth on the field and is the first recieving option in any offense he is in. Bryant is .....not any of that. You see TO going to the Star in Dallas, signing footballs with Sharpies, and doing the pom-pom dance after, guess what, SCORING. TO has 8500+ recieving yards and 81 TDs in 8 seasons to back up his foolishness. that is a career average of 1072 yards and 10.125 TD per season. When Bryant averages like that then call me back. ( PA Bryant is currently at 641yds and 4 TDs / season BTW)
I stand 100% behind my comments.

Ediddy73
06-21-2004, 03:59 PM
I thought Lito Sheppard (1st round pick in 2002) and Shelton Brown (2nd round pick in 2002) were starting for the Eagles at CB this season. Is that not accurate? http://www.ourlads.com/secure/depthchart.cfm?index1=phi

They both had a ton of p.t. last year. They may not be Vincent and Taylor in their primes, but I think they will do fine. They are already starting SS Michael Lewis (2nd round pick in 2002) from that draft class. I have a feeling they will do alright there.
Ware is pushing Brown in mini-camp, but it is just mini-camp.

Doug
06-22-2004, 07:12 AM
Ediddy, you're bein just a bit harsh with your comments just because some people feel the texans were more improved because it's their home team. From what I can see the majority of the people that posted on this thread didn't vote for the texans including myself. The lions weren't even a choice but I think they made the best improvement. That's my right to an opinion. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong or you wrong for that matter. To say how improved a team is before the season even starts is nothing but speculation and opinion. Just because a team signed two or three great football players doesn't mean that the TEAM is improved. If you've got one or two players who don't think about anything but themselves that's enough to wreck a team and if you have the same number that can get along with eveyone, do everything in their power to help the team, well, alot of times that's enough to lead the team to greatness. Just my OPINION. :soapbox:

texasguy346
06-22-2004, 09:07 AM
If I am not mistaken, I believe that Ware was being overshadowed by the Eagles other rookie CB ... I believe his name is Wynn not sure though. Anyways, I think that no matter who the replacements for the Eagles are they are still going to suffer a bit of a let down after having Vincent and Taylor patrolling the secondary. I see the Eagles logic thinking that with Kearse they get more of a pass rush and make their young inexperienced CBs look like all pros, however that is a bit of a gamble considering the Freak's history of injuries. If we're looking for the most improved team NOW then I would have to say New England if only for the addition of a very good RB in Dillion, but they also had a good draft. If its more for the most improved team in a couple years due to their draft then I'd have to go with Detroit provided that Rogers is healthy and does well this coming season. Add in Williams, Lehman, Bailey (from last years draft), and Jones and you have a very talented group of young players on offense and defense. As for all the back and forth squabbling on the board all I can say is lighten up people.

Ediddy73
06-22-2004, 02:50 PM
Ediddy, you're bein just a bit harsh with your comments just because some people feel the texans were more improved because it's their home team....:
that is exactly my point though Doug. Why even put a pool like this on the home team site and include the home team. We had a so-so draft IMO, and we signed 2 second tier FAs (Wade, Smith) and one third tier FA ( Bruenner). Based purely on potential alone, which is all you can go on since nary a snap has been played, Philly, Oak, and Minn have improved their line ups the most in FA. You can't count on any of the draft picks because none of them have played a single down of pro football.
It is MY opinion that everyone thinking that we have improved more than those 3 teams is laughable!! but I am a pragmatist who gets mired in facts too much. :twocents:

TheOgre
06-22-2004, 03:05 PM
I really don't think that the Eagles secondary will be that bad. Last year Lito Sheppard started 9 games because of injuries: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5912

Sheldon Brown started 3 games and played enough to get 43 tackles:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5945

I think their play last season was one of the reasons they let Taylor and Vincent go.

They drafted Ware and the other guys (Wynn?) because they need depth for nickel and dime packages.

Lucky
06-22-2004, 04:28 PM
...Philly, Oak, and Minn have improved their line ups the most in FA.
Philly I get. Sign the top offensive & defensive FA and you should get some offseason love. Hey, the Eagles only need a couple more wins at the end of the season and they're World Champs. But, what's so great about what the Raiders & Vikes did?

Oakland signed a bunch of 30-somethings for a last hurrah? OK, they also pickup Collins, but they hold on to Gannon. Instant QB controversy and that can't be good. Don't forget the net gain aspect of FA as the Raiders lost Charlie Garner and 2 young FA starters in Rod Coleman and Eric Barton. Oh, and they made Norv Turner head coach. Let's print the playoff tickets. What Darth has done this offseason has left me underwhelmed.

Minnesota picked up a very good FA corner in Antoine Winfield. And that's about it. Will Winfield be enough to get Minny into the playoffs? Considering they were one deflected pass from hosting the Seahags last year, I'd say yes. But, I'd rather have both Wade & Smith than just Winfield.

So maybe the Texans "most improved" rankings aren't so out of whack after all?

Ediddy73
06-22-2004, 04:41 PM
I really don't think that the Eagles secondary will be that bad. Last year Lito Sheppard started 9 games because of injuries: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5912

Sheldon Brown started 3 games and played enough to get 43 tackles:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5945

I think their play last season was one of the reasons they let Taylor and Vincent go.

They drafted Ware and the other guys (Wynn?) because they need depth for nickel and dime packages.
Dexter Wynn was their 6th round pick Ogre. check this out Eagles roster (http://www.nj.com/eagles/times/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/108703116191990.xml)

Ediddy73
06-22-2004, 04:55 PM
Philly I get. Sign the top offensive & defensive FA and you should get some offseason love. Hey, the Eagles only need a couple more wins at the end of the season and they're World Champs. But, what's so great about what the Raiders & Vikes did?

Oakland signed a bunch of 30-somethings for a last hurrah? OK, they also pickup Collins, but they hold on to Gannon. Instant QB controversy and that can't be good. Don't forget the net gain aspect of FA as the Raiders lost Charlie Garner and 2 young FA starters in Rod Coleman and Eric Barton. Oh, and they made Norv Turner head coach. Let's print the playoff tickets. What Darth has done this offseason has left me underwhelmed.

Minnesota picked up a very good FA corner in Antoine Winfield. And that's about it. Will Winfield be enough to get Minny into the playoffs? Considering they were one deflected pass from hosting the Seahags last year, I'd say yes. But, I'd rather have both Wade & Smith than just Winfield.

So maybe the Texans "most improved" rankings aren't so out of whack after all?

Minnesota- everything you mentioned about Winfield plus a healthy Michael Bennett, and Onterio Smith with a little experience under his belt..
Oakland-.....alright I give up, they suck!! :hehe:

Doug
06-23-2004, 07:23 AM
Hate to break it to everyone but the Cardinals are gonna win it all !!!!!! LOL :crazy:

kbourda
06-24-2004, 03:01 PM
I think a healthy Vick in Atlanta will make them a better team not to mention their draft.

SBTexans08
06-25-2004, 10:14 AM
I chose the Texans not only by how they look on paper, although they look very impressing IMO. I chose them because I think they will do exceptionally well this season. Sure our draft picks might not come in and make a pro bowl calibur performance but I think they will do what's needed along with them being young. And both Robinson and Babin look extremely agile IMO. Our O-line needed to be upgraded and the addition of Wade isn't bad along with the Pitts shuffle which wasn't bad either....it's very good indeed. Then comes Bruener...as long as the guy stays healthy...a great addition and thus an improvement.

So far that's three.....Offense not sporting rookies along with youth, addition of Wade to the O-line and the Pitts shuffle, and then there's Bruener who will help both D.D. to make yards and that helps Carr a great deal as well. Our depth has greatly improved with our future back ups having in game experience because of the injuries last year and that experience is another thing we didn't have last year.

Our D-line is improved as well. Walker looks to be coming back and Robaire Smith is a fantastic addition which spells more improvement. Sure Seth is tentative but at least our back up have experience going in this year around and those back up didn't do a bad job IMO...sure they could have done better but they didn't have what they have now.....a full years experience and confidence. Our LB's have added personnel along with youth. Our long corps :hehe: ...of LBs is tough, maybe not the best but "improved" nonetheless. That is the subject on this thread, correct? Our DB's....there's Dunta and although he might not do great he is a great addition. We know that Aaron Glenn is getting older so Robinson coming in was great.....and for another reason besides the original reason for him being chosen by the Texans.

Marcus Coleman was pushed back to FS and for good reason. Isn't this improvement as well? We all know he is! We also have better depth with our safety spots....another thing we didn't have last year.

All in all...I see a hell of a lot of improvement and I didn't choose the Texans just because they are my home team. They are the team I keep up with most therefore I know most about. I know there are several teams that have improved but you have to understand that it's natural for me to be a little biased, but not blindly biased. The Texans come in this year with a lot on their side, a lot they didn't have last year....experience, youth, upgrades, depth, confidence, morale, etc. I think they will come in this year and prove who in fact is the most improved.........professional sports analyst will be saying it...then we'll know. As it was said before, at this time...it's all speculation, wishful thinking, predictions....whatever you want to call it, nothing more. :twocents: