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rush2112mn
12-19-2011, 05:02 PM
Texans need to get best available receiver next season .....either through the NFL draft or free agency.
I reallly think it is time to look ahead. Andre Johnson is not getting any younger. He is going to be pushing 30 sometime soon. His health is starting to become a issue.
We need to bring someone else in to learn under him while Andre is still on this team to become his apprentice......Andre is the Master......(Star Wars reference)

Jacoby is a good punt returner....but he will never be that playmaker at the wide receiver..plain and simple.....

I say we move up in the draft and do it like Atlanta did it last year with Julio Jones......it should be our number one priority next year.......

Double Barrel
12-19-2011, 05:09 PM
yep. Andre turned 30 this year. I think he's got a few great years left in his tank, but I would have no problem in drafting his successor. Jacoby is not it.

TimeKiller
12-19-2011, 05:09 PM
It would suck if it took the whole draft to do it but getting a guy like Blackmon on the team would be enormous.

ThaShark316
12-19-2011, 05:12 PM
I thought about a "Julio Jones" type of trade on draft night, but that MIGHT be too many picks.

We'll see. However, I expect 'em to make a play for one. WR is so deep, we might be able to draft one in the 2nd round, after getting another position if need be in round 1.

Think of these WRs:

Justin Blackmon
Kendall Wright
Ryan Broyles (ou still sucks)
Michael Floyd
Alshon Jeffery
Reuben Randle
Nick Toon
Jeff Fuller
Dwight Jones
Mohamed Sanu

All could be in the draft

utahmark
12-19-2011, 05:22 PM
As good as last years draft was I hope we don't trade away most of our draft for any player at any position. Our building through the draft and not over spending for any one player is just starting to pay off, why change now?

We do need a reciever though, hope we draft one sooner rather than later.

nero THE zero
12-19-2011, 05:22 PM
Agreed completely.

This draft is going to be a really good WR draft. Not only would I not be opposed to, but I would advocate for hedging our bet and drafting a couple of WR in the early rounds of the draft.

Also, remember that we will be getting Lestar Jean back next year, which should help.

NBT
12-19-2011, 05:28 PM
Last year was one of the best ever for WRs. But I wouldn't panic if we didn't get one in the first round. The cowpatties and the colts, just to name two, have found excellent WRs as late as the fourth round. We just need to alert the scouts that that's a primary position to focus on this draft. Good FA WRs might be too high to get. If we can only be as lucky with offense this year, as we were with defense last year, we will get a good one.

badboy
12-19-2011, 05:31 PM
Texans need to get best available receiver next season .....either through the NFL draft or free agency.
I reallly think it is time to look ahead. Andre Johnson is not getting any younger. He is going to be pushing 30 sometime soon. His health is starting to become a issue.
We need to bring someone else in to learn under him while Andre is still on this team to become his apprentice......Andre is the Master......(Star Wars reference)

Jacoby is a good punt returner....but he will never be that playmaker at the wide receiver..plain and simple.....

I say we move up in the draft and do it like Atlanta did it last year with Julio Jones......it should be our number one priority next year.......Our first round will bring us a very good player without having to trade up. We can also land WRs later if we choose to draft two.

Kendall Wright (my guy) 101 receptions 1,572 15.6 avg (Baylor plays Washington Dec 29th Thurs on ESPN 8 Central. Gives a chance to see NT Alameda Ta'Amu also.

Dwight Jones 79 for 1119 14.2 avg

Mohammed Sanu 109 1144 10.5
Marvin McNutt 78 1269 16.3
Jordan White 127 1646 13.0

dtran04
12-19-2011, 05:46 PM
I'd draft a mid round guy but hopefully there is a FA that can make an impact. Can't really trust rookie WRs.

GuerillaBlack
12-19-2011, 05:56 PM
I really hope the Texans spend a first round pick on a WR. Then take another in the mid-rounds. Maybe Jacoby can get traded.

Dutchrudder
12-19-2011, 06:00 PM
I hope we get one WR in free agency and in the draft. We have to address it and WRs are somewhat iffy when drafted, so it would be best to get a mix. Would love to get a midlevel guy like Harry Douglas for the slot or Robert Meachem as a #2. I would like to aim higher, but I don't think we'll have the cap space to go after Stevie Johnson, Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe.

ArlingtonTexan
12-19-2011, 06:02 PM
The Texans don't need to blindly lock onto a position in this draft. WR should be upgraded this off-season, but if a better player available in the first round the Texans are not that kind of needy at WR.

Kaiser Toro
12-19-2011, 06:07 PM
Would love Kendall Wright, will take Broyles. I would even be for taking them both.

zwest1231
12-19-2011, 06:08 PM
I think the Texans could use their first round pick on any number of positions I would not mind seeing them address WR in the first but I wouldn't trade multiple picks to move up and get anyone not named Justin Blackmon. I'd love to see us strengthen the offensive line or nose tackle position and would not have a problem choosing the highest rated guy from one of those positions either.

ThaJokaa
12-19-2011, 06:44 PM
It would suck if it took the whole draft to do it but getting a guy like Blackmon on the team would be enormous.

Thats who I want us to draft!

hradhak
12-19-2011, 07:04 PM
I'd say the 2nd round is a good time to get a wide out. I'd take a rush end / OLB in the first again if someone is available. Mario's return to this team due to salary cap concerns probably limits our ability to resign him. I'd rather have Foster and get another OLB rush end. I like Mario, but I don't think we can afford his contract.

gary
12-19-2011, 07:28 PM
Colston and Meachem are free agents sign one of them.

VTexan
12-19-2011, 07:42 PM
Would absolutely love Broyles in the 3rd/ late 2nd round. Perfect compliment across from AJ. Wes Welker type of receive who always is open.

Texan_Bill
12-19-2011, 08:40 PM
Wait!! What??? Jacoby Jones isn't "all that?"

I seem to remember some folks stoked about the Texans re-signing him to be a number "2" with Walter in the slot..

Personally, I have gotten a little bit more comfortable with him returning punts, but I would be lying if I said that I don't hold my breath a little.

ATXtexanfan
12-19-2011, 08:48 PM
will the texans be able to afford a high$ FA wr? they will pick in the mid twenties of first round so maybe third-fourth best wr available. then comes the scouting of who is the third-fourth best wr available.

Kaiser Toro
12-19-2011, 08:50 PM
I'd say the 2nd round is a good time to get a wide out. I'd take a rush end / OLB in the first again if someone is available. Mario's return to this team due to salary cap concerns probably limits our ability to resign him. I'd rather have Foster and get another OLB rush end. I like Mario, but I don't think we can afford his contract.

It would make sense to Franchise him next year, IMO, should be in the $9-10M range.

Texan_Bill
12-19-2011, 08:54 PM
It would make sense to Franchise him next year, IMO, should be in the $9-10M range.

KT, I'm not sure that this correct, but I heard it would be more in the neighborhood of $17(x's 6 0's) to even franchise him. You would know better than me in that regard - but that's what I heard.

I like Mario, but from a value standpoint, he's not worth that.

ATXtexanfan
12-19-2011, 08:59 PM
It would make sense to Franchise him next year, IMO, should be in the $9-10M range.

more like 20M with reid around. there are threads for this conversation

PapaL
12-19-2011, 09:06 PM
He's already in the top 5 salary for his position so it's 120%...something along those lines. I think we've seen the last of Mario. Don't know how I feel about that either.

Texan_Bill
12-19-2011, 09:13 PM
He's already in the top 5 salary for his position so it's 120%...something along those lines. I think we've seen the last of Mario. Don't know how I feel about that either.

PapaBrakolos, You should feel like me... I would love to have him around BUT We're getting good production from Brooks Reid and do NOT have to overspend at that position. Make an equitable offer to Mario (which probably won't be enough for him) and say... This is what we got for you, but if you don't like it... WE understand.. Thanks for your service and GOOD LUCK!!!

Kaiser Toro
12-19-2011, 09:26 PM
The question with Mario is, would we franchise him as a OLB or a DE? I would think OLB, which would give us a discount against the DE salaries.

Just spitballin'.....

NastyNate
12-19-2011, 09:42 PM
The question with Mario is, would we franchise him as a OLB or a DE? I would think OLB, which would give us a discount against the DE salaries.

Just spitballin'.....

I'm pretty sure with the new CBA if his salary were to drop due to the position averages over the last 3 years, he'd get 120% of base from this year.

Texan_Bill
12-19-2011, 09:50 PM
The question with Mario is, would we franchise him as a OLB or a DE? I would think OLB, which would give us a discount against the DE salaries.

Just spitballin'.....

That's exactly "the question"... I'm pretty sure that given Mario's injury this season, he would rather put himself out there as a DE and NOT an OLB!!

NastyNate
12-19-2011, 10:44 PM
That's exactly "the question"... I'm pretty sure that given Mario's injury this season, he would rather put himself out there as a DE and NOT an OLB!!

With the new CBA if a franchise tag pays you less than you made the previous year regardless of what position they franchise you at, it's 120% of the previous years base. New CBA is pretty good at making sure players don't take pay cuts.

SW H-TOWN
12-19-2011, 11:37 PM
Kendall Wright!

Playoffs
12-19-2011, 11:55 PM
2012 NFL Free Agent Receivers

Reggie Wayne (IND) - The Colts are an organization that tends to take care of their own. Though they're in a precarious position after signing Manning long term and with Robert Mathis looking for his own deal, the Colts will have to make room. On the bright side, the new CBA couldn't have come at a better time for the Colts who would have been due to dole out a large sum for a potentially high draft pick.

Wes Welker (NE) - Through 5 games, Welker is on pace to break the season record for receptions and shatter the record for receiving yards. It's safe to say hes Brady's favorite target on 3rd downs to move the chains and virtually impossible to cover out of the slot due to his quickness, intelligence, and hands. You have to think Brady will make a push to keep him around if the front office shockingly has other plans.

Vincent Jackson (SD) - Partially due to his actions and injuries, the Chargers have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a long-term extension. If there's any animosity between the two parties, this could be the time where there's a split. Still, the best guess is that the team will pay Jackson like a number one receiver and keep him in San Diego.

DeSean Jackson (PHI) - Jackson is the perfect weapon for the Eagles offense that relies upon big plays. Though the organization was unwilling to cave to his offseason demands, they'll have to think long and hard about doing everything in their power to retain Jackson. Though Maclin may be the better overall receiver, Jackson's vertical ability has a great impact on the way defenses approach the Eagles' offense. Though based on his comments and actions of several months ago, it appears that Jackson could be lured away from Philadelphia with a lucrative offer.

Dwayne Bowe (KC) - One subpar season aside, Dwayne Bowe has emerged into the number one receiver the offense needs. He's a big body and a good route runner with a large catching radius. His most impressive attribute is his body of work around the goal line. He's a complete mismatch with the fade, slant, and back shoulder passes and has shown the propensity to make the acrobatic catches on numerous occasions.

Marques Colston (NO) - When healthy, Colston is a match-up nightmare for any corner. He's an incredibly physical receiver and a sure-handed, polished route runner. When he's available, he brings another dimension to the Saints offense that none of their other talented weapons possess. Though Brees has proven capable of running the offense without him, they're even more dangerous with him.

Steve Johnson (BUF) - Still working on his meager rookie salary, Johnson figures to be a big part of the Bills' long term plans. On a team with few superstars, the Bills can afford to lock up Johnson long term and maintain an effective passing attack. After he and fellow free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick are locked up, Bills fans can breathe easier about the bright future of their offense.

Brandon Lloyd (STL) - Lloyd's next contract will largely depend upon his production over the remainder of the season. Though he hasn't been as explosive and consistent as a year ago when he broke out at age 29, he still appears to be a dangerous receiver with the league's largest catching radius.

Robert Meachem (NO) - Meachem is one of the younger receivers that could be a nice pick-up for an offense with a larger workload to offer. He's a good downfield threat and has nice instincts in the red zone. Unlike Colston, Meachem is more of a luxury for the offense.

Mario Manningham (NYG) - With Manningham and Cruz behind Hakeem Nicks, the Giants have found a nice threesome. They seemed disappointed in Steve Smith's decision to bolt for Philadelphia without the option to match the contact, so there's no question the front office will look to keep the remainder of their receiving corps intact.

Mike Wallace (PIT) - Restricted - No receiver in the league forces safeties back like Wallace. His deep speed is second to none on the perimeter and he capitalizes on it with the ability to run those vertical routes proficiently. He's improving in other areas of his game and is an extremely valuable piece to the Steelers' offense.

The Rest:
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
Stephen Williams (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Jordan Norwood (CLE) - Exclusive Rights
Jesse Holley (DAL) - Exclusive Rights
Kevin Ogletree (DAL) - Restricted
Stefan Logan (DET) - Restricted
Matt Willis (DEN) - Restricted
Danny Amendola (STL) - Restricted
Dominique Curry (STL) - Exclusive Rights
Preston Parker (TB) - Exclusive Rights

LonerATO
12-20-2011, 12:05 AM
I thought about a "Julio Jones" type of trade on draft night, but that MIGHT be too many picks.

We'll see. However, I expect 'em to make a play for one. WR is so deep, we might be able to draft one in the 2nd round, after getting another position if need be in round 1.

Think of these WRs:

Justin Blackmon
Kendall Wright
Ryan Broyles (ou still sucks)
Michael Floyd
Alshon Jeffery
Reuben Randle
Nick Toon
Jeff Fuller
Dwight Jones
Mohamed Sanu

All could be in the draft

These are guys I like and that should be available to the Texans when their selection comes up.

kiwitexansfan
12-20-2011, 12:06 AM
I think I want to see us keep building the defense.

I really want to make that the soul of our team, forever.

I trust Kubiak to make the offense work.

I think we can find someone to lift the roof off the defense (the thing we need most) in FA or in the mid rounds.

Dutchrudder
12-20-2011, 12:38 AM
I'm pretty sure with the new CBA if his salary were to drop due to the position averages over the last 3 years, he'd get 120% of base from this year.

Doesn't matter which position he's listed as because he gets 120% of his base salary (the highest amount), which is around 13.8 million. So to franchise tag him it would cost the Texans around 16.6 million for one season.

EVOLVIST
12-20-2011, 01:16 AM
Marvin McNutt 78 1269 16.3

My guy, Marvin McNutt.

This classic porn star named-thing is fast, big and explosive! And that's not even on the football field!

leebigeztx
12-20-2011, 02:07 AM
I'm sure Reggie Wayne would love to be opposite of his old college buddy. He's not the wayne of 4 years ago, but he's still a very good wr who could compliment johnson very well. The colts are moving on without him and the texans are trying to win it. It makes too much sense. They could still draft a guy like jeffers and work him in. Getting weapons and spreding teams out is the vogue, but you need guys who can whip other guys. Your 3rd wr should be alot better than the other teams 3rd cb.

NastyNate
12-20-2011, 02:37 AM
Doesn't matter which position he's listed as because he gets 120% of his base salary (the highest amount), which is around 13.8 million. So to franchise tag him it would cost the Texans around 16.6 million for one season.

We're saying the same thing, 120% of last year's salary.

htowntexans1985
12-20-2011, 03:22 AM
Trade Mario for a top pick in next years draft and a second rounder. Then pick Justin Blackmon with our 1st round selection. Maybe even select Fuller in the 2nd round. We really need help in this.position.

ObsiWan
12-20-2011, 06:24 AM
Trade Mario for a top pick in next years draft and a second rounder. Then pick Justin Blackmon with our 1st round selection. Maybe even select Fuller in the 2nd round. We really need help in this.position.

Any idea which team will make this deal?? Has to be with one of the top 5-6 teams because all the mocks I've seen says Blackmon is a top five pick. Good luck getting them to absorb Mario's salary when, with today's rookie scale, they can get a 1st round pass rusher at a much better price.

I'm for grabbing an ILB or NT in the first round and getting a WR in the 2nd or 3rd. Fuller, Toon, or D. Jones will probably be there in the 2nd or 3rd. I like Jones because he has really good size and has a history with T.J. Yates -- assuming you guys still think T.J. is our QB of the future....

htowntexans1985
12-20-2011, 06:38 AM
Any idea which team will make this deal?? Has to be with one of the top 5-6 teams because all the mocks I've seen says Blackmon is a top five pick. Good luck getting them to absorb Mario's salary when, with today's rookie scale, they can get a 1st round pass rusher at a much better price.

I'm for grabbing an ILB or NT in the first round and getting a WR in the 2nd or 3rd. Fuller, Toon, or D. Jones will probably be there in the 2nd or 3rd. I like Jones because he has really good size and has a history with T.J. Yates -- assuming you guys still think T.J. is our QB of the future....

I'm thinking maybe the Panthers or Miami will be a customer. Also if wade is our defensive coach I don't think he likes to have these monster nose tackles that are usually in a 3-4. He usually goes for more speedy players.

Kaiser Toro
12-20-2011, 08:34 AM
Franchise-tag values will be down across the board in 2012 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8247df3a/article/franchisetag-values-will-be-down-across-the-board-in-2012)

snippet:
Little was made of it at the time, but the change in calculating procedures for franchise tags could have major implications on several contract negotiations, including those with New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees and Chicago Bears running back Matt Forte.

The collective bargaining agreement between the league and the NFL Players Association includes a new formula for the franchise tag, and league sources have said those tags will be considerably lower this offseason than in years past.

Defensive end: $10.6 million (down from $13 million in 2011, $12.4 million in 2010); Jason Jones, Mario Williams*

* - Player who'd receive more money because it'd be his second year in a row on the franchise tag, meaning he'd make 120 percent of his 2011 salary

I do not recall us franchising Mario, per the asterisk. Consequently, a tag could cost us ~$10.6M.

El Tejano
12-20-2011, 08:44 AM
Texans need to get best available receiver next season .....either through the NFL draft or free agency.
I reallly think it is time to look ahead. Andre Johnson is not getting any younger. He is going to be pushing 30 sometime soon. His health is starting to become a issue.
We need to bring someone else in to learn under him while Andre is still on this team to become his apprentice......Andre is the Master......(Star Wars reference)

Jacoby is a good punt returner....but he will never be that playmaker at the wide receiver..plain and simple.....

I say we move up in the draft and do it like Atlanta did it last year with Julio Jones......it should be our number one priority next year.......

I was saying this in last year's draft.

rush2112mn
12-20-2011, 05:37 PM
I was hoping Jacoby was finally going to step up this year.....especially with Andre being down so much....but that has not happened.

I have liked Jacoby since we drafted him. He does a good job on punt returns....but he never became that receiver day in and day out. Not sure why.
I know Andre would sit in the film room with Schuab...not sure if Jacoby was doing that too. Thats not to say that all it is....but this season for sure ....I was thinking it was a perfect opportunity for him to show something more as a wide receiver....to be that go to guy. But it has not happened....and it is time to move on.

Kevin Walters does a good job on short routes....but you have to "spread the field".

Jacoby has had spurts.....but we need consistency. He is not getting any younger either.

Also, we have not spent a first round pick on wide receiver since.....2003....
Hello...that is way to long.

I will say this.....trying to adjust to new quarterback takes time. Going from Matt Schaub to TJ Yates will take time developing chemisty with receivers....
I am basing this on the last few years with Schaub at qb too.....

Maybe we need to bring 2 or 3 young receivers....not just 1......

False Start
12-20-2011, 05:53 PM
No doubt about it.

They need a top flight receiver in the worst way. Dre is still damn good but has lost a step. Jacoby will never be a number one receiver same with Walter. Unless one of the guys on the practice squad or IR turn out to do something, they need a NFL ready, or damn near close, WR.

gary
12-20-2011, 06:40 PM
2012 NFL Free Agent Receivers

Reggie Wayne (IND) - The Colts are an organization that tends to take care of their own. Though they're in a precarious position after signing Manning long term and with Robert Mathis looking for his own deal, the Colts will have to make room. On the bright side, the new CBA couldn't have come at a better time for the Colts who would have been due to dole out a large sum for a potentially high draft pick.

Wes Welker (NE) - Through 5 games, Welker is on pace to break the season record for receptions and shatter the record for receiving yards. It's safe to say hes Brady's favorite target on 3rd downs to move the chains and virtually impossible to cover out of the slot due to his quickness, intelligence, and hands. You have to think Brady will make a push to keep him around if the front office shockingly has other plans.

Vincent Jackson (SD) - Partially due to his actions and injuries, the Chargers have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a long-term extension. If there's any animosity between the two parties, this could be the time where there's a split. Still, the best guess is that the team will pay Jackson like a number one receiver and keep him in San Diego.

DeSean Jackson (PHI) - Jackson is the perfect weapon for the Eagles offense that relies upon big plays. Though the organization was unwilling to cave to his offseason demands, they'll have to think long and hard about doing everything in their power to retain Jackson. Though Maclin may be the better overall receiver, Jackson's vertical ability has a great impact on the way defenses approach the Eagles' offense. Though based on his comments and actions of several months ago, it appears that Jackson could be lured away from Philadelphia with a lucrative offer.

Dwayne Bowe (KC) - One subpar season aside, Dwayne Bowe has emerged into the number one receiver the offense needs. He's a big body and a good route runner with a large catching radius. His most impressive attribute is his body of work around the goal line. He's a complete mismatch with the fade, slant, and back shoulder passes and has shown the propensity to make the acrobatic catches on numerous occasions.

Marques Colston (NO) - When healthy, Colston is a match-up nightmare for any corner. He's an incredibly physical receiver and a sure-handed, polished route runner. When he's available, he brings another dimension to the Saints offense that none of their other talented weapons possess. Though Brees has proven capable of running the offense without him, they're even more dangerous with him.

Steve Johnson (BUF) - Still working on his meager rookie salary, Johnson figures to be a big part of the Bills' long term plans. On a team with few superstars, the Bills can afford to lock up Johnson long term and maintain an effective passing attack. After he and fellow free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick are locked up, Bills fans can breathe easier about the bright future of their offense.

Brandon Lloyd (STL) - Lloyd's next contract will largely depend upon his production over the remainder of the season. Though he hasn't been as explosive and consistent as a year ago when he broke out at age 29, he still appears to be a dangerous receiver with the league's largest catching radius.

Robert Meachem (NO) - Meachem is one of the younger receivers that could be a nice pick-up for an offense with a larger workload to offer. He's a good downfield threat and has nice instincts in the red zone. Unlike Colston, Meachem is more of a luxury for the offense.

Mario Manningham (NYG) - With Manningham and Cruz behind Hakeem Nicks, the Giants have found a nice threesome. They seemed disappointed in Steve Smith's decision to bolt for Philadelphia without the option to match the contact, so there's no question the front office will look to keep the remainder of their receiving corps intact.

Mike Wallace (PIT) - Restricted - No receiver in the league forces safeties back like Wallace. His deep speed is second to none on the perimeter and he capitalizes on it with the ability to run those vertical routes proficiently. He's improving in other areas of his game and is an extremely valuable piece to the Steelers' offense.

The Rest:
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
Stephen Williams (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Jordan Norwood (CLE) - Exclusive Rights
Jesse Holley (DAL) - Exclusive Rights
Kevin Ogletree (DAL) - Restricted
Stefan Logan (DET) - Restricted
Matt Willis (DEN) - Restricted
Danny Amendola (STL) - Restricted
Dominique Curry (STL) - Exclusive Rights
Preston Parker (TB) - Exclusive RightsI would sign just about anyone on this list especially at the top.

ckhouston
12-20-2011, 07:10 PM
Draft a prospect and sign T.O. for a year. He will be healed up and wanting to prove he can still play. With TJ starting he wont get out of hand. TJ looks like the type who wouldnt put up with it.

Playoffs
12-20-2011, 07:22 PM
I would sign just about anyone on this list especially at the top.Brandon Lloyd has top 5 skills -- would love to have that.

But he may have "personality" issues. Not sure.

Goldensilence
12-20-2011, 08:08 PM
2012 NFL Free Agent Receivers

Reggie Wayne (IND) - The Colts are an organization that tends to take care of their own. Though they're in a precarious position after signing Manning long term and with Robert Mathis looking for his own deal, the Colts will have to make room. On the bright side, the new CBA couldn't have come at a better time for the Colts who would have been due to dole out a large sum for a potentially high draft pick.

Wes Welker (NE) - Through 5 games, Welker is on pace to break the season record for receptions and shatter the record for receiving yards. It's safe to say hes Brady's favorite target on 3rd downs to move the chains and virtually impossible to cover out of the slot due to his quickness, intelligence, and hands. You have to think Brady will make a push to keep him around if the front office shockingly has other plans.

Vincent Jackson (SD) - Partially due to his actions and injuries, the Chargers have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a long-term extension. If there's any animosity between the two parties, this could be the time where there's a split. Still, the best guess is that the team will pay Jackson like a number one receiver and keep him in San Diego.

DeSean Jackson (PHI) - Jackson is the perfect weapon for the Eagles offense that relies upon big plays. Though the organization was unwilling to cave to his offseason demands, they'll have to think long and hard about doing everything in their power to retain Jackson. Though Maclin may be the better overall receiver, Jackson's vertical ability has a great impact on the way defenses approach the Eagles' offense. Though based on his comments and actions of several months ago, it appears that Jackson could be lured away from Philadelphia with a lucrative offer.

Dwayne Bowe (KC) - One subpar season aside, Dwayne Bowe has emerged into the number one receiver the offense needs. He's a big body and a good route runner with a large catching radius. His most impressive attribute is his body of work around the goal line. He's a complete mismatch with the fade, slant, and back shoulder passes and has shown the propensity to make the acrobatic catches on numerous occasions.

Marques Colston (NO) - When healthy, Colston is a match-up nightmare for any corner. He's an incredibly physical receiver and a sure-handed, polished route runner. When he's available, he brings another dimension to the Saints offense that none of their other talented weapons possess. Though Brees has proven capable of running the offense without him, they're even more dangerous with him.

Steve Johnson (BUF) - Still working on his meager rookie salary, Johnson figures to be a big part of the Bills' long term plans. On a team with few superstars, the Bills can afford to lock up Johnson long term and maintain an effective passing attack. After he and fellow free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick are locked up, Bills fans can breathe easier about the bright future of their offense.

Brandon Lloyd (STL) - Lloyd's next contract will largely depend upon his production over the remainder of the season. Though he hasn't been as explosive and consistent as a year ago when he broke out at age 29, he still appears to be a dangerous receiver with the league's largest catching radius.

Robert Meachem (NO) - Meachem is one of the younger receivers that could be a nice pick-up for an offense with a larger workload to offer. He's a good downfield threat and has nice instincts in the red zone. Unlike Colston, Meachem is more of a luxury for the offense.

Mario Manningham (NYG) - With Manningham and Cruz behind Hakeem Nicks, the Giants have found a nice threesome. They seemed disappointed in Steve Smith's decision to bolt for Philadelphia without the option to match the contact, so there's no question the front office will look to keep the remainder of their receiving corps intact.

Mike Wallace (PIT) - Restricted - No receiver in the league forces safeties back like Wallace. His deep speed is second to none on the perimeter and he capitalizes on it with the ability to run those vertical routes proficiently. He's improving in other areas of his game and is an extremely valuable piece to the Steelers' offense.

The Rest:
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
Stephen Williams (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Jordan Norwood (CLE) - Exclusive Rights
Jesse Holley (DAL) - Exclusive Rights
Kevin Ogletree (DAL) - Restricted
Stefan Logan (DET) - Restricted
Matt Willis (DEN) - Restricted
Danny Amendola (STL) - Restricted
Dominique Curry (STL) - Exclusive Rights
Preston Parker (TB) - Exclusive Rights

The guy on this list I would love to see is Desean Jackson. Him lined up across AJ would give D coordinators nightmares along with a solid Texan's running game. Could really put this offense over the top.

I doubt they'll pursue him though. I wouldn't mind giving Meachem an offer next and drafting a WR in the first to develop.

Texan_Bill
12-20-2011, 08:36 PM
Texans need to get best available receiver next season .....either through the NFL draft or free agency.

I was saying this in last year's draft.

Well yeah..... Except that there was that whole defense sucking ass thingy. :kitten:

ObsiWan
12-20-2011, 09:00 PM
Well yeah..... Except that there was that whole defense sucking ass thingy. :kitten:

Well they could have drafted a WR if they hadn't wasted a 5th on some kid named Yates...

I mean, we could have kept Orlovsky and drafted a WR in that spot...

:hides:


:sarcasm:

Texan_Bill
12-20-2011, 09:04 PM
Well they could have drafted a WR if they hadn't wasted a 5th on some kid named Yates...

I mean, we could have kept Orlovsky and drafted a WR in that spot...

:hides:


:sarcasm:

:spit: Well, there is that... :kingkong:

TdotTexas2Step
12-20-2011, 09:43 PM
Out of that list, I like Colston, Bowe, and Vincent Jackson best as possible heirs to AJ.

But with Dre starting to lose a step, we also need to pick up a potential #1 through the draft, or we'll be back where we started, looking for someone to play opposite our star receiver.

Texan_Bill
12-20-2011, 09:52 PM
Out of that list, I like Colston, Bowe, and Vincent Jackson best as possible heirs to AJ.

But with Dre starting to lose a step, we also need to pick up a potential #1 through the draft, or we'll be back where we started, looking for someone to play opposite our star receiver.

Easy killer!

Ummm, whoever said Dre is losing a step? Hammy problems this season does not exclusively mean he's losing a step. That said I agree with bringing in a reciever through the draft or FA. Just don't overspend.

silvrhand
12-20-2011, 10:33 PM
pick up braylon edwards from SF for cheap this offseason, as he'll be glad to come to a pass happy offense.

b0ng
12-21-2011, 12:54 AM
First round of the 2012 draft needs to be BPA. We could use an NT, CB or WR along with other positions that the team would value less ( Maybe a freefalling QB, or another LB or even another lineman on the offense) but represent the most talented player in their board.

silvrhand
12-21-2011, 01:08 AM
First round of the 2012 draft needs to be BPA. We could use an NT, CB or WR along with other positions that the team would value less ( Maybe a freefalling QB, or another LB or even another lineman on the offense) but represent the most talented player in their board.

Sorry, if the BPA is a RB, OL, or DE/OLB we don't want them.

leebigeztx
12-21-2011, 01:13 AM
Sorry, if the BPA is a RB, OL, or DE/OLB we don't want them.

Whats funny is teams say best player availible, but they always slant their board kinda to their needs that become bpa. BPA is why detroit kept drafting wr's in the top 10. All those guys they drafted would have been drafted by other teams in that same slot.

leebigeztx
12-21-2011, 01:24 AM
2012 NFL Free Agent Receivers

Reggie Wayne (IND) - The Colts are an organization that tends to take care of their own. Though they're in a precarious position after signing Manning long term and with Robert Mathis looking for his own deal, the Colts will have to make room. On the bright side, the new CBA couldn't have come at a better time for the Colts who would have been due to dole out a large sum for a potentially high draft pick.

Wes Welker (NE) - Through 5 games, Welker is on pace to break the season record for receptions and shatter the record for receiving yards. It's safe to say hes Brady's favorite target on 3rd downs to move the chains and virtually impossible to cover out of the slot due to his quickness, intelligence, and hands. You have to think Brady will make a push to keep him around if the front office shockingly has other plans.

Vincent Jackson (SD) - Partially due to his actions and injuries, the Chargers have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a long-term extension. If there's any animosity between the two parties, this could be the time where there's a split. Still, the best guess is that the team will pay Jackson like a number one receiver and keep him in San Diego.

DeSean Jackson (PHI) - Jackson is the perfect weapon for the Eagles offense that relies upon big plays. Though the organization was unwilling to cave to his offseason demands, they'll have to think long and hard about doing everything in their power to retain Jackson. Though Maclin may be the better overall receiver, Jackson's vertical ability has a great impact on the way defenses approach the Eagles' offense. Though based on his comments and actions of several months ago, it appears that Jackson could be lured away from Philadelphia with a lucrative offer.

Dwayne Bowe (KC) - One subpar season aside, Dwayne Bowe has emerged into the number one receiver the offense needs. He's a big body and a good route runner with a large catching radius. His most impressive attribute is his body of work around the goal line. He's a complete mismatch with the fade, slant, and back shoulder passes and has shown the propensity to make the acrobatic catches on numerous occasions.

Marques Colston (NO) - When healthy, Colston is a match-up nightmare for any corner. He's an incredibly physical receiver and a sure-handed, polished route runner. When he's available, he brings another dimension to the Saints offense that none of their other talented weapons possess. Though Brees has proven capable of running the offense without him, they're even more dangerous with him.

Steve Johnson (BUF) - Still working on his meager rookie salary, Johnson figures to be a big part of the Bills' long term plans. On a team with few superstars, the Bills can afford to lock up Johnson long term and maintain an effective passing attack. After he and fellow free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick are locked up, Bills fans can breathe easier about the bright future of their offense.

Brandon Lloyd (STL) - Lloyd's next contract will largely depend upon his production over the remainder of the season. Though he hasn't been as explosive and consistent as a year ago when he broke out at age 29, he still appears to be a dangerous receiver with the league's largest catching radius.

Robert Meachem (NO) - Meachem is one of the younger receivers that could be a nice pick-up for an offense with a larger workload to offer. He's a good downfield threat and has nice instincts in the red zone. Unlike Colston, Meachem is more of a luxury for the offense.

Mario Manningham (NYG) - With Manningham and Cruz behind Hakeem Nicks, the Giants have found a nice threesome. They seemed disappointed in Steve Smith's decision to bolt for Philadelphia without the option to match the contact, so there's no question the front office will look to keep the remainder of their receiving corps intact.

Mike Wallace (PIT) - Restricted - No receiver in the league forces safeties back like Wallace. His deep speed is second to none on the perimeter and he capitalizes on it with the ability to run those vertical routes proficiently. He's improving in other areas of his game and is an extremely valuable piece to the Steelers' offense.

The Rest:
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
Stephen Williams (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Jordan Norwood (CLE) - Exclusive Rights
Jesse Holley (DAL) - Exclusive Rights
Kevin Ogletree (DAL) - Restricted
Stefan Logan (DET) - Restricted
Matt Willis (DEN) - Restricted
Danny Amendola (STL) - Restricted
Dominique Curry (STL) - Exclusive Rights
Preston Parker (TB) - Exclusive Rights

As I look at that list, a couple of guys would really work well I think. Steve Smith from Phi and Braylon Edwards and this is why.

The league has really morphed into a spread game and 3 sometimes 4 wr set. What I like about smith is he's great in the slot, but he can also play outside and beat cb's. He may not be a #1 like aj, but he has been the best wr on a team and produced. If he is recovered, I think he is a really good wr.

Edwards, even with his concentration problems at times, really played well in ny with sanchez of all qb's. He's not really a #1, but he's close enough and can beat alot of #1 cbs and #2 cbs on most teams. His last yr in ny he had 900 yds and 7 td's at a 19ypc. He's still young enough to give the team alot of years. If the texans lined up Johnson,Edwards,Smith,Daniels,and Foster in the backfield, opposing teams are really going to have a hard time trying to defend them. If Johnson misses games, edwards can slide out and smith can slide to edwards spot and the team still have much better options that walters/jacobe jones.

run-david-run
12-21-2011, 11:00 AM
No doubt about it.

They need a top flight receiver in the worst way. Dre is still damn good but has lost a step. Jacoby will never be a number one receiver same with Walter. Unless one of the guys on the practice squad or IR turn out to do something, they need a NFL ready, or damn near close, WR.

Andre is averaging over 100 yards per game in the 4 complete games he's played this year, I hardly think he's lost a step, just been hurt. Although that's 2 years in a row, so there is some merit to your concerns.

TheMatrix31
12-21-2011, 11:11 AM
Early Doucet would be a perfect guy to have here. As would one of the Cincy kids (doubt they're let go that easily though) and Eddie Royal. Josh Morgan too.

Sign one of them, spend a second or third on another one, and go from there.

badboy
12-21-2011, 11:51 AM
Franchise-tag values will be down across the board in 2012 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8247df3a/article/franchisetag-values-will-be-down-across-the-board-in-2012)

snippet:


I do not recall us franchising Mario, per the asterisk. Consequently, a tag could cost us ~$10.6M.KT, I cannot find that in the new CBA of August 4, 2011. Franchise tags are found under Section 10 beginning on page 44. It seemingly identifies a player such as Mario receiving his last season's salary + 20%. Nailing down Williams' true salary is difficult. Roto world has him earning $13.8m (there was no bonus to prorate) + $2.76m (20%)= $16.56m if he is tagged and that is reasonable to deal with.

*Note John McClain has said that Mario's salary is $18m with a tag of $22m but he did not identify his source. Following is from the CBA:


Year, which average shall be calculated by: (1) summing the amounts of the Franchise
Tags for players at that position for the five preceding League Years; (2) dividing the
resulting amount by the sum of the Salary Caps for the five preceding League Years
(using the average of the amounts of the 2009 and 201 1 Salary Caps as the Salary Cap
amount for the 2010 League Year); and (3) multiplying the resulting percentage by the
Salary Cap for the upcoming League Year (e.g., when calculating the Tender for the 2012
League Year, dividing the aggregate sum of the Franchise Tags for players at that position
for the 2007-201 1 League Years by the aggregate sum of the Salary Caps for the
2007-20 1 1 League Years and multiplying the result by the amount of the Salary Cap for
the 20 1 2 League Year) (the "Cap Percentage Average") (See Appendix E for an illustrative
example); or (B) 120% of his Prior Year Salary, whichever is greater; if the Club
extends the Tender pursuant to this Subsection (a) (i), the player shall be permitted to
negotiate a Player Contract with any Club as if he were a player subject to Section 5
below, except that Draft Choice Compensation of two first round draft selections shall
be made with respect to such player in the event he signs with the New Club, and the
Signing Period for such player shall be determined under Section 1 4 below. For purposes
of this Subsection, the "Franchise Tag" is the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries
(e.g., the Franchise Tag for the 2010 League Year equals the average of the five
largest Salaries for the 2009 League Year for players at that position);

Insideop
12-21-2011, 12:11 PM
Whats funny is teams say best player availible, but they always slant their board kinda to their needs that become bpa. BPA is why detroit kept drafting wr's in the top 10. All those guys they drafted would have been drafted by other teams in that same slot.

I've heard/read somewhere, don't remember where, Kubes say they draft the best player available at a position of need. I think this is what most teams do, at least in the first 2 or 3 rounds. After that they may go strictly for bpa to start building depth.

But really it depends on where a team is in their, for lack of a better term, "life cycle." In other words, are they a team that is rebuilding and they have a new coach with a new scheme, or are they a team on top challenging for a Super Bowl with a seasoned coach? Each team will draft according to where they stand. A rebuilding team may go strictly with bpa throughout the draft since they usually have many holes to fill. A team on top may only have 1 or 2 holes to fill and will draft bpa in those areas of need, or in the case of NE, trade their 1st round pick and get multiple 2's and 3's and just draft bpa.

Another factor is positions of weakness and strengths in the draft. If it's a weak draft for NT's, and your team needs a NT, they may decide to go after one early regardless of bpa. If it's a strong draft for WR's they may wait until later to pick one up or they might take the best one at their pick.

Having said all this, I hope the Texans do take the best WR available with their top pick. We need to start looking ahead and grooming AJ and Walter's replacements. Both are 30. JMHO!

Texecutioner
12-21-2011, 12:19 PM
It seems like people are forgetting what has made the Texans so successful this season and what makes all the elite teams successful year after year that stay on top. DEFENSE!! A stout top defense like what we have now and what the Ravens and the Steelers have had for years.

The best thing the Texans could do is use another draft and dedicate to defense and make this team the most feared dominant defense in the league, not only for this year but we need to build one that can be dominant for the rest of the decade. Wade Phillips will probably be leaving after this season or the next and we need the right pieces if he won't be here.

Our offense has been bad for a lot of this season due to AJ being out and our QB dropping off. We still have won a ton of games.

I want to upgrade at WR, but it would be better suited to do that in FREE AGENCY where we don't need to use valuable early round draft picks to do that. After spending one more draft on defense, than we stack back up on offense, but this defense is what will keep the Texans in the playoffs year in and year out, and just because we've been the best defense this season doesn't mean that will continue year after year especially when Wade is out.

We could use another WR for sure, but defense is more important right now as far as building a unit that will be dominant for another ten years.

2012 NFL Free Agent Receivers

Reggie Wayne (IND) - The Colts are an organization that tends to take care of their own. Though they're in a precarious position after signing Manning long term and with Robert Mathis looking for his own deal, the Colts will have to make room. On the bright side, the new CBA couldn't have come at a better time for the Colts who would have been due to dole out a large sum for a potentially high draft pick.

Wes Welker (NE) - Through 5 games, Welker is on pace to break the season record for receptions and shatter the record for receiving yards. It's safe to say hes Brady's favorite target on 3rd downs to move the chains and virtually impossible to cover out of the slot due to his quickness, intelligence, and hands. You have to think Brady will make a push to keep him around if the front office shockingly has other plans.

Vincent Jackson (SD) - Partially due to his actions and injuries, the Chargers have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a long-term extension. If there's any animosity between the two parties, this could be the time where there's a split. Still, the best guess is that the team will pay Jackson like a number one receiver and keep him in San Diego.

DeSean Jackson (PHI) - Jackson is the perfect weapon for the Eagles offense that relies upon big plays. Though the organization was unwilling to cave to his offseason demands, they'll have to think long and hard about doing everything in their power to retain Jackson. Though Maclin may be the better overall receiver, Jackson's vertical ability has a great impact on the way defenses approach the Eagles' offense. Though based on his comments and actions of several months ago, it appears that Jackson could be lured away from Philadelphia with a lucrative offer.

Dwayne Bowe (KC) - One subpar season aside, Dwayne Bowe has emerged into the number one receiver the offense needs. He's a big body and a good route runner with a large catching radius. His most impressive attribute is his body of work around the goal line. He's a complete mismatch with the fade, slant, and back shoulder passes and has shown the propensity to make the acrobatic catches on numerous occasions.

Marques Colston (NO) - When healthy, Colston is a match-up nightmare for any corner. He's an incredibly physical receiver and a sure-handed, polished route runner. When he's available, he brings another dimension to the Saints offense that none of their other talented weapons possess. Though Brees has proven capable of running the offense without him, they're even more dangerous with him.

Steve Johnson (BUF) - Still working on his meager rookie salary, Johnson figures to be a big part of the Bills' long term plans. On a team with few superstars, the Bills can afford to lock up Johnson long term and maintain an effective passing attack. After he and fellow free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick are locked up, Bills fans can breathe easier about the bright future of their offense.

Brandon Lloyd (STL) - Lloyd's next contract will largely depend upon his production over the remainder of the season. Though he hasn't been as explosive and consistent as a year ago when he broke out at age 29, he still appears to be a dangerous receiver with the league's largest catching radius.

Robert Meachem (NO) - Meachem is one of the younger receivers that could be a nice pick-up for an offense with a larger workload to offer. He's a good downfield threat and has nice instincts in the red zone. Unlike Colston, Meachem is more of a luxury for the offense.

Mario Manningham (NYG) - With Manningham and Cruz behind Hakeem Nicks, the Giants have found a nice threesome. They seemed disappointed in Steve Smith's decision to bolt for Philadelphia without the option to match the contact, so there's no question the front office will look to keep the remainder of their receiving corps intact.

Mike Wallace (PIT) - Restricted - No receiver in the league forces safeties back like Wallace. His deep speed is second to none on the perimeter and he capitalizes on it with the ability to run those vertical routes proficiently. He's improving in other areas of his game and is an extremely valuable piece to the Steelers' offense.

The Rest:
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
Stephen Williams (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Jordan Norwood (CLE) - Exclusive Rights
Jesse Holley (DAL) - Exclusive Rights
Kevin Ogletree (DAL) - Restricted
Stefan Logan (DET) - Restricted
Matt Willis (DEN) - Restricted
Danny Amendola (STL) - Restricted
Dominique Curry (STL) - Exclusive Rights
Preston Parker (TB) - Exclusive Rights


We would be complete fools to waste a first pick in the draft on a WR, when there are this many top end WR's that we would have to choose from in free agency. Guys on that list will love to come to the Texans after seeing the season that we are having. Getting a WR can be done very easily in free agency. The draft needs to be for the defense and possibly the O line to continue to build a top blocking unit like what the Pats and the Colts have had for years.

ObsiWan
12-21-2011, 12:21 PM
2012 NFL Free Agent Receivers

Reggie Wayne (IND) - The Colts are an organization that tends to take care of their own. Though they're in a precarious position after signing Manning long term and with Robert Mathis looking for his own deal, the Colts will have to make room. On the bright side, the new CBA couldn't have come at a better time for the Colts who would have been due to dole out a large sum for a potentially high draft pick.

Wes Welker (NE) - Through 5 games, Welker is on pace to break the season record for receptions and shatter the record for receiving yards. It's safe to say hes Brady's favorite target on 3rd downs to move the chains and virtually impossible to cover out of the slot due to his quickness, intelligence, and hands. You have to think Brady will make a push to keep him around if the front office shockingly has other plans.

Vincent Jackson (SD) - Partially due to his actions and injuries, the Chargers have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a long-term extension. If there's any animosity between the two parties, this could be the time where there's a split. Still, the best guess is that the team will pay Jackson like a number one receiver and keep him in San Diego.

DeSean Jackson (PHI) - Jackson is the perfect weapon for the Eagles offense that relies upon big plays. Though the organization was unwilling to cave to his offseason demands, they'll have to think long and hard about doing everything in their power to retain Jackson. Though Maclin may be the better overall receiver, Jackson's vertical ability has a great impact on the way defenses approach the Eagles' offense. Though based on his comments and actions of several months ago, it appears that Jackson could be lured away from Philadelphia with a lucrative offer.

Dwayne Bowe (KC) - One subpar season aside, Dwayne Bowe has emerged into the number one receiver the offense needs. He's a big body and a good route runner with a large catching radius. His most impressive attribute is his body of work around the goal line. He's a complete mismatch with the fade, slant, and back shoulder passes and has shown the propensity to make the acrobatic catches on numerous occasions.

Marques Colston (NO) - When healthy, Colston is a match-up nightmare for any corner. He's an incredibly physical receiver and a sure-handed, polished route runner. When he's available, he brings another dimension to the Saints offense that none of their other talented weapons possess. Though Brees has proven capable of running the offense without him, they're even more dangerous with him.

Steve Johnson (BUF) - Still working on his meager rookie salary, Johnson figures to be a big part of the Bills' long term plans. On a team with few superstars, the Bills can afford to lock up Johnson long term and maintain an effective passing attack. After he and fellow free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick are locked up, Bills fans can breathe easier about the bright future of their offense.

Brandon Lloyd (STL) - Lloyd's next contract will largely depend upon his production over the remainder of the season. Though he hasn't been as explosive and consistent as a year ago when he broke out at age 29, he still appears to be a dangerous receiver with the league's largest catching radius.

Robert Meachem (NO) - Meachem is one of the younger receivers that could be a nice pick-up for an offense with a larger workload to offer. He's a good downfield threat and has nice instincts in the red zone. Unlike Colston, Meachem is more of a luxury for the offense.

Mario Manningham (NYG) - With Manningham and Cruz behind Hakeem Nicks, the Giants have found a nice threesome. They seemed disappointed in Steve Smith's decision to bolt for Philadelphia without the option to match the contact, so there's no question the front office will look to keep the remainder of their receiving corps intact.

Mike Wallace (PIT) - Restricted - No receiver in the league forces safeties back like Wallace. His deep speed is second to none on the perimeter and he capitalizes on it with the ability to run those vertical routes proficiently. He's improving in other areas of his game and is an extremely valuable piece to the Steelers' offense.

The Rest:
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
Stephen Williams (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Jordan Norwood (CLE) - Exclusive Rights
Jesse Holley (DAL) - Exclusive Rights
Kevin Ogletree (DAL) - Restricted
Stefan Logan (DET) - Restricted
Matt Willis (DEN) - Restricted
Danny Amendola (STL) - Restricted
Dominique Curry (STL) - Exclusive Rights
Preston Parker (TB) - Exclusive Rights

With the possible exception of Meachem, I don't see that any of those top 11 will be let go by their respective teams. No way.

Of the rest, I like Doucet and Harry Douglas. Edwards is a recognizable name who was inactive (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/54829/what-49ers-miss-without-braylon-edwards) for the Steelers game. You have to wonder why that is. Ginn is another recognizable name but was cut by the 'Phins for a reason. I think he's like JJ; good returner but a so-so WR. Steve Smith might be worth a look, but his hands aren't the most dependable either.

I'd like to see us put Bryant Johnson to better use. yeah, he dropped a pass in Sunday's game, but so did O.D. I've seen A.J. drop one or two this year also. It happens. I wish they'd target him more to see what we have.

Who knows, maybe Maehl will shine through in the next two games and this issue will turn out to be not as dire as it seems right now.
:texflag:

EVOLVIST
12-21-2011, 12:40 PM
It seems like people are forgetting what has made the Texans so successful this season and what makes all the elite teams successful year after year that stay on top. DEFENSE!! A stout top defense like what we have now and what the Ravens and the Steelers have had for years.

The best thing the Texans could do is use another draft and dedicate to defense and make this team the most feared dominant defense in the league, not only for this year but we need to build one that can be dominant for the rest of the decade. Wade Phillips will probably be leaving after this season or the next and we need the right pieces if he won't be here.

Our offense has been bad for a lot of this season due to AJ being out and our QB dropping off. We still have won a ton of games.

I want to upgrade at WR, but it would be better suited to do that in FREE AGENCY where we don't need to use valuable early round draft picks to do that. After spending one more draft on defense, than we stack back up on offense, but this defense is what will keep the Texans in the playoffs year in and year out, and just because we've been the best defense this season doesn't mean that will continue year after year especially when Wade is out.

We could use another WR for sure, but defense is more important right now as far as building a unit that will be dominant for another ten years.




We would be complete fools to waste a first pick in the draft on a WR, when there are this many top end WR's that we would have to choose from in free agency. Guys on that list will love to come to the Texans after seeing the season that we are having. Getting a WR can be done very easily in free agency. The draft needs to be for the defense and possibly the O line to continue to build a top blocking unit like what the Pats and the Colts have had for years.

Really, this! I've been thinking along the same lines lately. I'm thinking Duane Bowe would be a great fit and wouldn't break the bank (but I'm on my phone and can't be arsed to check his salary).

This means getting rid of JJ.

Plus, don't forget that we'll be getting Lestar Jean back and Jeff Maehel (sp?) Will have some playing time (I hope).

And that's not to say that we couldn't pick up Marvin McNutt in the later rounds.

No, continue to build this defense and we'll be fine on offense until 2013.

steelbtexan
12-21-2011, 01:27 PM
The guy on this list I would love to see is Desean Jackson. Him lined up across AJ would give D coordinators nightmares along with a solid Texan's running game. Could really put this offense over the top.

I doubt they'll pursue him though. I wouldn't mind giving Meachem an offer next and drafting a WR in the first to develop.

Meachem or Steve Smith are the guys I would be looking at in FA.

If you're looking for a Desean Jackson with heart. You can find him in the 3/4th rd. (Joe Adams, Jarius Wright or Marquis Maze.) These guys are all productive slot WR's with speed.

My sleeper Guys are Streeter and Aaron Dobson if he comes out. I watched Dobson last night (Marshall) This kid is a real talent.

VTexan
12-21-2011, 01:32 PM
Meachem or Steve Smith are the guys I would be looking at in FA.

If you're looking for a Desean Jackson with heart. You can find him in the 3/4th rd. (Joe Adams, Jarius Wright or Marquis Maze.) These guys are all productive slot WR's with speed.

My sleeper Guys are Streeter and Aaron Dobson if he comes out. I watched Dobson last night (Marshall) This kid is a real talent.

Saying a 3-4th rounder can have the same impact as Desean Jackson is a little harsh...

Texecutioner
12-21-2011, 01:48 PM
Saying a 3-4th rounder can have the same impact as Desean Jackson is a little harsh...

I agree. And what most people don't realize is that most players that have a similar skill set like what Desean Jackson has end up not being that great in this league, because they aren't physical enough or they can't run routes that well. Look at guys like Ted Ginn Jr. or Heyward Bey for example. Desean Jackson is freaking game breaker and shouldn't be compared to some random 3rd round guys with speed. He's a proven commodity in this league.

There is going to be a team out there that gets a motivated Desean Jackson and will probably get him at a bargain price.

b0ng
12-21-2011, 01:58 PM
Sorry, if the BPA is a RB, OL, or DE/OLB we don't want them.

Maybe for RB, not sure about OL, and Mario's situation this offseason could mean we might be sitting there with an OLB/DE that is valued much higher than any of the other positions that are available at that spot.

I don't want to be the Atlanta Falcons, and try to trade up to grab whatever WR isn't taken inside the top 5 to get a big name. I also don't want to overpay a vet for the WR2 spot who is going to want a ton of money. The roster is in such a position that we don't have gigantic mack-truck sized holes in it, that we shouldn't have to reach for players like Kareem Jackson. Taking an approach that is BPA is exactly the kind of strategy the team needs to take and then fill out from there.

I doubt that the Texans are going to keep the core group of wideouts at what is already on the roster. It's not like they need to significantly upgrade the defense and spend all the money they have there.

Texecutioner
12-21-2011, 02:08 PM
Maybe for RB, not sure about OL, and Mario's situation this offseason could mean we might be sitting there with an OLB/DE that is valued much higher than any of the other positions that are available at that spot.

I don't want to be the Atlanta Falcons, and try to trade up to grab whatever WR isn't taken inside the top 5 to get a big name. I also don't want to overpay a vet for the WR2 spot who is going to want a ton of money. The roster is in such a position that we don't have gigantic mack-truck sized holes in it, that we shouldn't have to reach for players like Kareem Jackson. Taking an approach that is BPA is exactly the kind of strategy the team needs to take and then fill out from there.

I doubt that the Texans are going to keep the core group of wideouts at what is already on the roster. It's not like they need to significantly upgrade the defense and spend all the money they have there.

Yeah, I think BPA is finally a position that we can take going into the next draft. We've had so many needs for so long now that we needed to fill holes, and while we still have them, we can easily afford to go with the BPA approach next draft as long as it isn't a position like RB or something.

I want this defense to continually get built into one of those defenses for the ages where guys are competing like crazy to start and we have great rotation. I wouldn't mind seeing another O lineman get picked with the first pick if a really good one is sitting there myself. Keeping a great O line in tact is one of the most important things on any offense.

EVOLVIST
12-21-2011, 03:06 PM
I doubt that the Texans are going to keep the core group of wideouts at what is already on the roster. It's not like they need to significantly upgrade the defense and spend all the money they have there.

#1 - The Texans not only need to drop J. Jones, and pick up a vet FA like
Duane Bowe, et al, but also they need a real spirited competion in training camp at WR, similar to what they had with CB. That means, start with your core, draft a late round WR, get a proven vet, and let 'er rip.

#2 - No, they don't need to spend all their money on defense - but let's make a concerted effort at DL, perhaps OL if the right guy falls into our lap, or even an LB if he's too good to pass up. (But remember Sharpton will be back next year, and that kid has really come on). I'm even tempted to say * gasp * a CB somewhere in the mix. I don't buy that B. Harris hasn't been suited up just because they don't want what happened to Kjak to happen to him.

Texn4life
12-21-2011, 03:21 PM
I think the thing that most people aren't realizing is that we're not going to have the money to throw at most of these guys on the list. Seeing as how we're probably going to have to re-sign Arian and maybe Mario the money just isn't going to be there to bring in a Bowe, Stevie Johnson, or Mike Wallace. We've been building through the draft and that's what we need to continue to do.

I do understand wanting to draft defense heavy once again, which is why I wouldn't mind trading back into the 2nd round and picking up additional picks. That way you can still get the WR in the early to mid-second round and still go defense heavy. Seeing as how this draft is deep with quality receivers I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans go this route at all. I do think Kendall Wright is a gamer though and super competitive so I wouldn't mind the Texans drafting this kid in the first round at all if he's there.

steelbtexan
12-21-2011, 03:28 PM
I agree. And what most people don't realize is that most players that have a similar skill set like what Desean Jackson has end up not being that great in this league, because they aren't physical enough or they can't run routes that well. Look at guys like Ted Ginn Jr. or Heyward Bey for example. Desean Jackson is freaking game breaker and shouldn't be compared to some random 3rd round guys with speed. He's a proven commodity in this league.

There is going to be a team out there that gets a motivated Desean Jackson and will probably get him at a bargain price.

Cant stand Jackson, he's selfish and gutless.

He wont get the $$$$ in FA that he thinks he's going to get. How much whining will happen if he does't get the ball enough? I'm betting he will shut it down. He has a history of shutting it down.

Piece of crap, do not want on the Texans. Give me Steve Smith or Meachem at less $$$$ any day and twice on Sundays.

steelbtexan
12-21-2011, 03:32 PM
Yeah, I think BPA is finally a position that we can take going into the next draft. We've had so many needs for so long now that we needed to fill holes, and while we still have them, we can easily afford to go with the BPA approach next draft as long as it isn't a position like RB or something.

I want this defense to continually get built into one of those defenses for the ages where guys are competing like crazy to start and we have great rotation. I wouldn't mind seeing another O lineman get picked with the first pick if a really good one is sitting there myself. Keeping a great O line in tact is one of the most important things on any offense.

Agreed

This is why I'm wanting to sign a vet FA. BPA is the way to go in the draft and finally the Texans are at a point they can draft this way. Ahhh the joy. LOL

steelbtexan
12-21-2011, 03:37 PM
I think the thing that most people aren't realizing is that we're not going to have the money to throw at most of these guys on the list. Seeing as how we're probably going to have to re-sign Arian and maybe Mario the money just isn't going to be there to bring in a Bowe, Stevie Johnson, or Mike Wallace. We've been building through the draft and that's what we need to continue to do.

I do understand wanting to draft defense heavy once again, which is why I wouldn't mind trading back into the 2nd round and picking up additional picks. That way you can still get the WR in the early to mid-second round and still go defense heavy. Seeing as how this draft is deep with quality receivers I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans go this route at all. I do think Kendall Wright is a gamer though and super competitive so I wouldn't mind the Texans drafting this kid in the first round at all if he's there.

They will if they let MW walk.

A WR Corps of AJ/Meachem/Wright/Walter/JJ doesn't sound bad.

Blake
12-21-2011, 03:58 PM
It seems like people are forgetting what has made the Texans so successful this season and what makes all the elite teams successful year after year that stay on top. DEFENSE!! A stout top defense like what we have now and what the Ravens and the Steelers have had for years.

The best thing the Texans could do is use another draft and dedicate to defense and make this team the most feared dominant defense in the league, not only for this year but we need to build one that can be dominant for the rest of the decade. Wade Phillips will probably be leaving after this season or the next and we need the right pieces if he won't be here.

Our offense has been bad for a lot of this season due to AJ being out and our QB dropping off. We still have won a ton of games.

I want to upgrade at WR, but it would be better suited to do that in FREE AGENCY where we don't need to use valuable early round draft picks to do that. After spending one more draft on defense, than we stack back up on offense, but this defense is what will keep the Texans in the playoffs year in and year out, and just because we've been the best defense this season doesn't mean that will continue year after year especially when Wade is out.

We could use another WR for sure, but defense is more important right now as far as building a unit that will be dominant for another ten years.




We would be complete fools to waste a first pick in the draft on a WR, when there are this many top end WR's that we would have to choose from in free agency. Guys on that list will love to come to the Texans after seeing the season that we are having. Getting a WR can be done very easily in free agency. The draft needs to be for the defense and possibly the O line to continue to build a top blocking unit like what the Pats and the Colts have had for years.

Really, this! I've been thinking along the same lines lately. I'm thinking Duane Bowe would be a great fit and wouldn't break the bank (but I'm on my phone and can't be arsed to check his salary).

This means getting rid of JJ.

Plus, don't forget that we'll be getting Lestar Jean back and Jeff Maehel (sp?) Will have some playing time (I hope).

And that's not to say that we couldn't pick up Marvin McNutt in the later rounds.

No, continue to build this defense and we'll be fine on offense until 2013.

I get yalls line of thinking, but using your Steelers defense example, the Steelers drafted a WR in the first round three times in the past 18 drafts. 1994, 1999, 2000, and Santonio Holmes in 2006.

I am not saying we should draft defense first, or WR first. Just that we cant put ourselves in a box and miss out on the best available player at a position of need.

The Ravens are no different. In the past 11 drafts that they had a first round pick, they have taken a WR twice. Thats 22% of the time.

Texecutioner
12-21-2011, 04:03 PM
I think the thing that most people aren't realizing is that we're not going to have the money to throw at most of these guys on the list. Seeing as how we're probably going to have to re-sign Arian and maybe Mario the money just isn't going to be there to bring in a Bowe, Stevie Johnson, or Mike Wallace. We've been building through the draft and that's what we need to continue to do.

Building through the draft is mandatory. "strictly" building through the draft and "Not" going out and getting free agents is exactly what made us suck and under achieve for an entire decade. This off season we finally went out and signed two quality free agents that filled holes on our team, and we've got a top 3 CB in football and he's probably been the best defensive player on our team. Being afraid of free agency is the most flawed thing I've heard on this site or anywhere honestly. The Texans are having their best season this year which has a lot to do with what we did in free agency. Had we gotten a quality WR in free agency last off season like we should have and dropped JJ, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.

Texecutioner
12-21-2011, 04:07 PM
I get yalls line of thinking, but using your Steelers defense example, the Steelers drafted a WR in the first round three times in the past 18 drafts. 1994, 1999, 2000, and Santonio Holmes in 2006.

I am not saying we should draft defense first, or WR first. Just that we cant put ourselves in a box and miss out on the best available player at a position of need.

The Ravens are no different. In the past 11 drafts that they had a first round pick, they have taken a WR twice. Thats 22% of the time.

Those examples are not making your point at all though. Drafting a WR 3 times in 18 years makes my point completely because they've stayed strong on their defense. I'm not saying you do this every year either. ONce you have an insane unit that should be held together for years, than you can slowly find great pieces on offense. We still have arguably the best RB and WR in the game right now. We need help at the #2 spot at WR, but we can get a lot of really good guys in free agency that are known commodities in this league. The draft is always a crap shoot especially with WR's. Look at guys like Braylen Edwards, Roy Williams, Heyward-Bey, Crabtree, and many others that were total busts.

badboy
12-21-2011, 04:08 PM
It seems like people are forgetting what has made the Texans so successful this season and what makes all the elite teams successful year after year that stay on top. DEFENSE!! A stout top defense like what we have now and what the Ravens and the Steelers have had for years.

The best thing the Texans could do is use another draft and dedicate to defense and make this team the most feared dominant defense in the league, not only for this year but we need to build one that can be dominant for the rest of the decade. Wade Phillips will probably be leaving after this season or the next and we need the right pieces if he won't be here.

Our offense has been bad for a lot of this season due to AJ being out and our QB dropping off. We still have won a ton of games.

I want to upgrade at WR, but it would be better suited to do that in FREE AGENCY where we don't need to use valuable early round draft picks to do that. After spending one more draft on defense, than we stack back up on offense, but this defense is what will keep the Texans in the playoffs year in and year out, and just because we've been the best defense this season doesn't mean that will continue year after year especially when Wade is out.

We could use another WR for sure, but defense is more important right now as far as building a unit that will be dominant for another ten years.




We would be complete fools to waste a first pick in the draft on a WR, when there are this many top end WR's that we would have to choose from in free agency. Guys on that list will love to come to the Texans after seeing the season that we are having. Getting a WR can be done very easily in free agency. The draft needs to be for the defense and possibly the O line to continue to build a top blocking unit like what the Pats and the Colts have had for years.If Mario, Myers, Dreesen and Foster are re-signed there will be little wiggle room for free agents. This was part of the "would you trade Mario" thread as trading him would bring picks and free up millions that could be used to go after FAs.

JVL713
12-21-2011, 04:09 PM
I'd be thrilled to draft someone like Alshon Jeffery or Michael Floyd(both projected as top-20 pick, not sure if they'll be there for our pick) with our first rounder, then go for Kendall Wright in the second, even if we have to trade up.

We were able to take last year's weakness and turn in into a strength through the draft and the addition of Wade Phillips. Upgrading at WR should be much easier to do than drastically improving the entire defense. With a strong WR core, I don't see how we could be stopped(other than injuries).

Texecutioner
12-21-2011, 04:11 PM
If Mario, Myers, Dreesen and Foster are re-signed there will be little wiggle room for free agents. This was part of the "would you trade Mario" thread as trading him would bring picks and free up millions that could be used to go after FAs.

Well for one I wouldn't resign Foster if he wants Chris Johnson type of money. Dressen can be replaced if need be. Mario should definitely be traded, but with what?? He'll be a free agent after this season and if you franchise him, he has to want to sign somewhere else if someone is going to want to make a trade. I'd also drop JJ like a bad habit.

And even if we can't sign a good free agent at WR in the off season, I still wouldn't use a first round pick on one unless a stud like Dez Bryant fell in the draft. I'd keep building an elite defense for years to come. That's what wins championships besides a great QB.

badboy
12-21-2011, 04:28 PM
I'd be thrilled to draft someone like Alshon Jeffery or Michael Floyd(both projected as top-20 pick, not sure if they'll be there for our pick) with our first rounder, then go for Kendall Wright in the second, even if we have to trade up.

We were able to take last year's weakness and turn in into a strength through the draft and the addition of Wade Phillips. Upgrading at WR should be much easier to do than drastically improving the entire defense. With a strong WR core, I don't see how we could be stopped(other than injuries).Some rumblings Alshon may have weight problem. ALso he has difficulty sometimes getting separation. He may slide.


http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=456309

Blake
12-21-2011, 04:36 PM
Those examples are not making your point at all though. Drafting a WR 3 times in 18 years makes my point completely because they've stayed strong on their defense. I'm not saying you do this every year either. ONce you have an insane unit that should be held together for years, than you can slowly find great pieces on offense. We still have arguably the best RB and WR in the game right now. We need help at the #2 spot at WR, but we can get a lot of really good guys in free agency that are known commodities in this league. The draft is always a crap shoot especially with WR's. Look at guys like Braylen Edwards, Roy Williams, Heyward-Bey, Crabtree, and many others that were total busts.

You specifically said "We would be complete fools to waste a first pick in the draft on a WR". And continued on to say that we should contine to build a top defense so we can be like the Steelers and Ravens.

So no, I am not making your point. I am saying that you draft a WR if he is the best player available at the position of need. That is exactly what the Steelers and Ravens do. There is no reason to box yourself in. You are saying that if we draft a WR we are complete morons, but if the Ravens and Steelers do it, its OK.

And by the way, I dont think ANY team in the NFL has an INSANE defensive unit to allow them to draft WR's. Teams draft WR's when they are needed and one of the BPA's.

Texecutioner
12-21-2011, 04:42 PM
You specifically said "We would be complete fools to waste a first pick in the draft on a WR". And continued on to say that we should contine to build a top defense so we can be like the Steelers and Ravens.

So no, I am not making your point. I am saying that you draft a WR if he is the best player available at the position of need. There is no reason to box yourself in. This is exactly what the Steelers and Ravens do. You are saying that if we draft a WR we are complete morons, but if the Ravens and Steelers do it, its OK.

I see what you're saying. I guess I sort of contradicted myself there. But no, I don't think we should draft a WR at all in the first round, unless a stud slips to us that is top 10 type of material like Dez Bryant was. That was a unique situation and the Cowboys had to draft him where he was at.

The Ravens and Steelers have been stacked on defense for years and years and have stability that can be counted on year after year. The Texans don't yet. We've had one great season on defense and we're most likely going to lose Wade this off season. So, I don't think we totally have that luxury just yet to get anyone we want based off of that. I'd leave offense alone in the first round unless that player is just way to good to pass on or unless there is an O lineman that could be a franchise O lineman for a long time.



And by the way, I dont think ANY team in the NFL has an INSANE defensive unit to allow them to draft WR's. Teams draft WR's when they are needed and one of the BPA's.

Could you be more specific on this point?

badboy
12-21-2011, 04:44 PM
Well for one I wouldn't resign Foster if he wants Chris Johnson type of money. Dressen can be replaced if need be. Mario should definitely be traded, but with what?? He'll be a free agent after this season and if you franchise him, he has to want to sign somewhere else if someone is going to want to make a trade. I'd also drop JJ like a bad habit.

And even if we can't sign a good free agent at WR in the off season, I still wouldn't use a first round pick on one unless a stud like Dez Bryant fell in the draft. I'd keep building an elite defense for years to come. That's what wins championships besides a great QB.Foster cannot negotiate with anyone as he has only 3 accredited years, so he prety much takes what's offered. He will get a good deal.

On D we only need some back ups for most part.

Blake
12-21-2011, 04:48 PM
I see what you're saying. I guess I sort of contradicted myself there. But no, I don't think we should draft a WR at all in the first round, unless a stud slips to us that is top 10 type of material like Dez Bryant was. That was a unique situation and the Cowboys had to draft him where he was at.

The Ravens and Steelers have been stacked on defense for years and years and have stability that can be counted on year after year. The Texans don't yet. We've had one great season on defense and we're most likely going to lose Wade this off season. So, I don't think we totally have that luxury just yet to get anyone we want based off of that. I'd leave offense alone in the first round unless that player is just way to good to pass on or unless there is an O lineman that could be a franchise O lineman for a long time.

I think I would agree with that. Unless a top 10 talent on offense slips, we should draft defense.

Could you be more specific on this point?

I guess I was responding to your comment Once you have an insane unit that should be held together for years, than you can slowly find great pieces on offense.

I dont really see any defenses that are 100% complete or amazing. Steelers, Texans, Ravens, 49ers, all have flaws on their defense. So there really is no prefect time to draft offense. You just have to take the best value on both sides of the ball when they are there.

Texecutioner
12-21-2011, 04:49 PM
Foster cannot negotiate with anyone as he has only 3 accredited years, so he prety much takes what's offered. He will get a good deal.

On D we only need some back ups for most part.


We need a guy in the middle for sure to upgrade. We need another really good safety and a CB to replace Jackson. You keep building this defense. We didn't win anything with the offense we had before and no defense. You build this thing until you're certain that you've got a dominant defense for years to come with depth and everything.

Texecutioner
12-21-2011, 04:53 PM
I think I would agree with that. Unless a top 10 talent on offense slips, we should draft defense.



I guess I was responding to your comment

I dont really see any defenses that are 100% complete or amazing. Steelers, Texans, Ravens, 49ers, all have flaws on their defense. So there really is no prefect time to draft offense. You just have to take the best value on both sides of the ball when they are there.

Yes, the Steelers and the Ravens have had amazing units year after year. That can be counted on from them, because they have guys on their teams that have been consistent for a decade now. The Texans have had one great season. That can't be counted on again. They could be great again and for several years for all we know, but it can't be counted on like it can for the Steelers and the Ravens who have gone deep in the playoffs for several years mainly due to their defense. Defense may not always win championships, but it can keep you up there in the hunt year after year if you sustain that great unit like the Ravens and the Steelers have. Sure, they might have flaws, but every team does of course.

VTexan
12-21-2011, 04:54 PM
Somebody is going to get an absolute steal by drafting Broyles. (That is if he can come back 100% from injury)

gafftop
12-21-2011, 05:57 PM
We need a guy in the middle for sure to upgrade. We need another really good safety and a CB to replace Jackson. You keep building this defense. We didn't win anything with the offense we had before and no defense. You build this thing until you're certain that you've got a dominant defense for years to come with depth and everything.

Pretty much have to agree with Tex on all points thoughout this post. Just wish they had done something with Mario before the season so we could have a couple of those players NOW. Our WR are really way below average this year considering AJs condition. i think you can improve in FA if you have the money. Who knows maybe Jean can be another Foster, but don't assume that is going to happen.

Titans Sux 72
12-21-2011, 08:01 PM
Read a thread in the titans forums and somebody made comment that the Texans had the worst Receiving corps in the NFL in AJ's absense. Fisrt I was pizzed than thought about it for a while and they were right. Now I amtalking WR's not TE's. JJ HAS to go.
We need to start a "When do we end the JJ experiment???" thread. He serves no purpose. He gets luckey on a few and I mean few punts and that is it! Walter is mediocre and the others are all stop gap.

PHAROAH
12-21-2011, 10:45 PM
The Texans will have to address the WR position through the draft and I hope it's in the 1st & 4th. Everything hinges on Mario Williams if we do a sign & trade and pick a 1st round pick for him would be totally awesome and fill other needs as we see that we can exist without him. A F/A wideout might be out of the question with our Free Agents such as Mario Williams, Arian Foster and others.

Naiirb
12-22-2011, 04:42 PM
AJ and Reggie Wayne lining up next to each other next year? Even with the Colts down year and Wayne being on the tail end of his career he's argubaly still a legit #1 and would make an excellent #2 here.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/32220/three-steel-poles-in-the-colts%E2%80%99-foundation

Johnson on Wayne: Hes a route technician. I sat and watched and learned from him at Miami. He took me under his wing. He works hard at everything he does, everything. Hes committed. His numbers speak for themselves. In every conversation about the best receivers in the league, his name comes up.

We joke about it all the time, Johnson said. If Reggies on the market, Ill be a big recruiter. Im pretty sure my coaches know that.

Talk of a possible future life as a Texan made Wayne laugh.

Im sure hes got some hammies he needs to worry about first, he said, referring to hamstring injuries that have cost Johnson much of the season and will keep him out against the Colts. And I am sure their team is ecstatic about their first playoff opportunity

If Dre is going to politic for me, hes got enough time to do it.

b0ng
12-22-2011, 06:06 PM
I wouldn't mind Reggie Wayne on the team but only if he's not getting "Reggie Wayne" type money.