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Kimmy
12-18-2011, 05:10 PM
Anyone hear Shockey's post game comments? He said we had about 12 players crossing their arms during the Anthem before the game.

He went on and on about it.

Funny thing is, this isn't the first time this has been brought up. :texflag:

BullBlitz
12-18-2011, 05:12 PM
Anyone hear Shockey's post game comments? He said we had about 12 players crossing their arms during the Anthem before the game.

He went on and on about it.

Funny thing is, this isn't the first time this has been brought up. :texflag:

Although it's kind of annoying coming from Shockey, if I were Mr. McNair I would correct this.

Kimmy
12-18-2011, 05:14 PM
Although it's kind of annoying coming from Shockey, if I were Mr. McNair I would correct this.

I agree! It's been reported more than once, twice, three times.

Having had a kid in the Navy and knowing how much they respect that flag, brings it home a little more for me.

Thorn
12-18-2011, 05:15 PM
First I've heard of this. What is this all about?

Dishman
12-18-2011, 05:16 PM
Anyone hear Shockey's post game comments? He said we had about 12 players crossing their arms during the Anthem before the game.

He went on and on about it.

Funny thing is, this isn't the first time this has been brought up. :texflag:

When else did this go down in the past? And screw Shockey.

MadBurgerMaker
12-18-2011, 05:16 PM
Meh. So what? You aren't required to have your hand over your heart for the national anthem. One of the things about living in the US.

Showtime100
12-18-2011, 05:18 PM
When else did this go down in the past? And screw Shockey.

I love how that post reads..:lol:

I agree with the rest, though. If true they need to correct the problem, and I do believe it should be considered a problem. And screw Shockey.

Kimmy
12-18-2011, 05:18 PM
First I've heard of this. What is this all about?

We (the team) have been called out by not standing "at full attention" during the National Anthem several times.

Shockey went on this evening about how it's disrespectful, blah, blah, blah.

Problem is, he's RIGHT! Never in a straight line, never at full attention.

As someone who gets a little misty eyed every time (I am a girl after all) they play that anthem, it bugs me.

Mr. White
12-18-2011, 05:30 PM
As someone who gets a little misty eyed every time (I am a girl after all) they play that anthem, it bugs me.

I'm pretty sure this isn't a gender-specific phenomenon. My allergies always seem to flare up when the National Anthem gets played. It's the damndest thing...

I believe in every American's right to act however the hell they want during the National Anthem, but not people that represent my business interests. I agree that McNair should put his foot in someone's ass over this.

Kimmy
12-18-2011, 05:31 PM
Link (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/angry-shockey-says-texans-did-not-show-proper-respect-during-national-anthem/)

Jeremy Shockey had a reason for his obnoxious (un-penalized) taunting after his touchdown reception on Sunday. Or at least a reason he gave reporters.

Apparently, the Carolina tight end thought the host Texans didn’t show proper respect toward America in the pregame festivities.

Shockey told reporters that he was upset some of the Texans did not place their hands on their hearts during the National Anthem before the Panthers’ 28-13 victory at Reliant Stadium.

Shockey scored on a 9-yard touchdown pass from Cam Newton in the second quarter. He broke tackles by DeMeco Ryans and Jason Allen to reach the end zone, then got in their faces and taunted them.

It gave the Panthers a 14-0 lead in their 28-13 victory.

TexanSam
12-18-2011, 05:33 PM
I don't have a problem with it. They're allowed to stand anyway they want during the anthem.

Showtime100
12-18-2011, 05:36 PM
I don't have a problem with it. They're allowed to stand anyway they want during the anthem.

Agree, if a person wants to be a disrespectful ass during the anthem, it is indeed their right. No disrespect or sarcasm intended there, Sam. Just the way I feel. :)

False Start
12-18-2011, 05:37 PM
He also called Demeco, "Demario Ryans, or whatever." :thinking:

TexansBull
12-18-2011, 05:37 PM
Anyone hear Shockey's post game comments? He said we had about 12 players crossing their arms during the Anthem before the game.

He went on and on about it.

Funny thing is, this isn't the first time this has been brought up. :texflag:

Says a lot about the team's attitude pre-game. Arms crossed tells me that they weren't taking the other team seriously or the moment.

False Start
12-18-2011, 05:38 PM
Here are Shockey's words, off the 610 website. (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/18/shockey-disgusted-with-texans-during-national-anthem/)

PapaL
12-18-2011, 05:40 PM
Meh, no story here.

AnthonyE
12-18-2011, 05:42 PM
I think Shockey's a loudmouth punk who was ousted by 2 different teams for his attitude. He just wants to be back in the spotlight like his glory days 6+ years ago.

Thorn
12-18-2011, 05:42 PM
Luv ya Kimmy.

But as US citizens, we have the right to disagree with our government. Personally, I don't think the Texans players are making a political statement here, they're just being football players. Most of whom are making a thousand times as much as they would if they had to actually work for living. This is much ado about nothing as I see it.

cdollaz
12-18-2011, 05:46 PM
Of course, the only way he would know is if he himself was being disrespectful and watching the other team instead of having his eyes fixed on the flag. Look in the mirror, jackass.

Kimmy
12-18-2011, 05:48 PM
Luv ya Kimmy.

But as US citizens, we have the right to disagree with our government. Personally, I don't think the Texans players are making a political statement here, they're just being football players. Most of whom are making a thousand times as much as they would if they had to actually work for living. This is much ado about nothing as I see it.

Luv Ya Too, you dirty old man :)

I agree, as much as it is their right not to respect the flag, it's as much my right to be annoyed by it.

It didn't really bother me till my daughter entered the Navy. We were lucky enough to attend a "tiger cruise" on her carrier. Watching all those soldiers stop and salute the flag before they came aboard really changed my way of thinking :) :worldpeace:

cdollaz
12-18-2011, 05:48 PM
Oh, and no story here. People show respect in different ways. I don't put my hand over my heart either.

MadBurgerMaker
12-18-2011, 05:51 PM
Luv Ya Too, you dirty old man :)

I agree, as much as it is their right not to respect the flag, it's as much my right to be annoyed by it.

It didn't really bother me till my daughter entered the Navy. We were lucky enough to attend a "tiger cruise" on her carrier. Watching all those soldiers stop and salute the flag before they came aboard really changed my way of thinking :) :worldpeace:

You're required to when you cross the quarterdeck. This includes quarterdecks that are ashore. :)

Also sailors, not soldiers! :cutthroat: ;)

Playoffs
12-18-2011, 05:52 PM
I imagine players are contractually held to a standard of conduct -- either by the teams or the league. So if there's really a problem it will be handled by Mr. McNair or Goodell.

Thorn
12-18-2011, 05:58 PM
Luv Ya Too, you dirty old man :)

I agree, as much as it is their right not to respect the flag, it's as much my right to be annoyed by it.

It didn't really bother me till my daughter entered the Navy. We were lucky enough to attend a "tiger cruise" on her carrier. Watching all those soldiers stop and salute the flag before they came aboard really changed my way of thinking :) :worldpeace:

Serving our country is good. I did, and I'm glad I did. It allows me a freedom of thought that when I believe our nation is on the wrong track, I can call them out on it not only because it's my right, but also because I gave them a part of my life. I know where you are coming from, and it disturbing that some don't get it. Don't lose your thoughts because of others, just keep in mind that a nation of millions of folks don't all think alike.

And thanks to your daughter for her service. We should all serve our country in one manner or another at some point. The price of freedom is high. You only need ask the continent that contains Russia, China and the Arab countries that one. Those folks are pretty screwed up when it comes to freedom.

False Start
12-18-2011, 05:59 PM
Jeremy Shockey.....

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/Lego-2.jpg

JamesBill
12-18-2011, 06:04 PM
He also called Demeco, "Demario Ryans, or whatever." :thinking:

Meco must have given him amnesia when he f'ed him up during that scrimage a few years ago.

burro
12-18-2011, 06:07 PM
Regardless of how you feel about the anthem/how our players act during it, it should be pretty obvious that Shockey was talking smack because Shockey is a pompous dong-smoker. Lame excuse, bro.

Kimmy
12-18-2011, 06:11 PM
I imagine players are contractually held to a standard of conduct -- either by the teams or the league. So if there's really a problem it will be handled by Mr. McNair or Goodell.

Required, yes, but she loved it.

And yes, Sailors :facepalm: I was trying so hard not to type seamen ;)

Sent from my Sprint EVO 3D using Tapatalk

Yankee_In_TX
12-18-2011, 06:28 PM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE send e-mails to the Texans and the League. Supposedly he flipped off fans. But I did see him do a blatant crotch grab near the north endzone with about 6:55 left in the game (to the fans).

He had been gesturing to the crowd most of the game, but to me, he should be fined for that. RIGHT in front of a ref who shrugged it off.

If someone can find photos or have it on the DVR....

drs23
12-18-2011, 06:44 PM
Required, yes, but she loved it.

And yes, Sailors :facepalm: I was trying so hard not to type seamen ;)

Sent from my Sprint EVO 3D using Tapatalk

You are always safe with 'seafarers' :)

Hervoyel
12-18-2011, 07:19 PM
I'm not worried about Shockey, he's just being himself. I'm worried about the Texans. Thursday we get to see whether or not we're in a protracted funk or not. Thursday can't get here soon enough.

TEXANRED
12-18-2011, 07:26 PM
If Shockey was being a devote patriot he wouldn't have been able to notice what are guys were doing.

TimeKiller
12-18-2011, 07:47 PM
Unacceptable. And hiding behind some patriotism line for his stupid behavior is just as reasonable as people using religion to justify acts of war. I actually can't believe he didn't draw a penalty for it, how that doesn't qualify as excessive celebration is beyond me. I think some people might remember when the Saints came to town for the training camp a few years ago Shockey and Demeco got into it in the middle of practice. I don't think it would be much to say Jerome Shockey or whatever is a big enough man to let it go. That's the thing about "Amurica" Jeremiah or whatever, we have the right to say and do whatever we like, that's the priveledge. The responsibility, sir, is knowing WHAT to say and HOW to act.

ACT like you've been there before. I think anyone who pays attention to football knows it would be a pretty stunning performance if you pulled off being proffessional.

hot pickle
12-18-2011, 07:50 PM
shockey is just made cause ryans punched him in his loud mouth acouple years back during saints-texans practice. i dunno if anyone recalls this, but i sure do

Seasick Sailor
12-18-2011, 08:09 PM
Shockey is a huge POS.

Aside from the taunting on his TD catch and the flipping off of and assorted other obscene gesturing to our fans, on the sidelines he took a water bottle and mimicked pissing on our field!

If that ***hole is lucky enough to get picked up by a team for 2012, I hope it is someone in our division. I'd love to see Demeco, Cush, Connor, and the boys teach him a lesson.

Corrosion
12-18-2011, 08:25 PM
I agree! It's been reported more than once, twice, three times.

Having had a kid in the Navy and knowing how much they respect that flag, brings it home a little more for me.

Shockey needs to :zipit:


I respect the job our armed forces do ...

That said I believe our govt mis-uses them. All these "Wars" and for what ?
These wars arent about suppressing plans of world domination from people like Hitler , General Hideki Tojo or the Viet Cong .... We have since dismantled Democratic Govt's and replacing them with dictatorships ..... Fighting for natural resources , not democracy .... Fighting for special interest groups in America to profit off of the blood of our children.


Im not all that proud of this country right now .... 9% unemployment , debt up to our eyeballs in reported govt debt of $15trillion .... but the truth is we are $116trillion in debt.

A govt that is begining to rival that of Mexico in its corruption ..... :rake:


Kids dont even say the pledge in school anymore ..... and we wonder why that flag and what it represents isnt as respected as it once was. :thinking:

KA4Texan
12-18-2011, 08:38 PM
I agree, it is their right to disrespect as much as they want on their own time, but considering they represent an organization in the media spot light, they lose that freedom during "business hours" (are highly compensated for the loss of such freedoms) they look bad the team looks bad.

I do think if you can't respect what this country has given to you (especially if you are a player in the NFL) and the freedom it stands for (the ideals are still there, gov. is what wants to take it away) and can't find it in yourself to show respect if for no other reason than the men and women that have fought died or seen friends die in service of this country, you have some serious issues. (Unless you aren't from here, then you should still go through the motions as a sign of courtesy for the host. IMO)

I do agree you can show your respect in different ways (Head down as if in prayer etc.) so IF true I would be more concerned with their demeanor over were their hands were.

Texn4life
12-18-2011, 08:57 PM
I'm really torn on this issue. On one hand I'm one of those guys who takes his hat off during the national anthem, and stands up with his right hand over his heart. I also get annoyed when people around me are talking, or being what I consider disrespectful while it's playing.

Now........ in saying that we do live in a country where every person should be free to express themselves however they would like within the requirements of the law. 2 examples of this come to mind. NBA player Chris Jackson aka Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf caused a big stir in 1996 for his refusal to stand and was suspended for it for a game. The league realized that there were issues with the suspension and decided to come to a compromise with Abdul-Rauf standing, closing his eyes, and looking down while the anthem was being played.

The other was the 1968 Olympics where gold medalists Juan Carlos and Tommie Smith raised their fists in a demonstration of unjust human rights during our National Anthem after they won. Both acts are famous in their own right and I'm sure the Texans players involved are not trying to make a statement like these 2 situations. They're free to stand and act however they'd like to in regards to the law. However, Bob McNair is just as free to cut their butts if they don't show the proper amount of respect to the flag as he would like. If the owner wants this taken care of then it will.

Norg
12-18-2011, 08:59 PM
at this point in time i dont really like america either no pride in it is what i mean

imatexan
12-18-2011, 09:05 PM
at this point in time i dont really like america either no pride in it is what i mean

Understandable, someone who is not intelligent enough to type a sentence probably would not "like" America or even understand your freedom.

TheMatrix31
12-18-2011, 09:23 PM
at this point in time i dont really like america either no pride in it is what i mean

Then get the hell out. I'll send you a few hundred bucks for a one-way ticket to wherever the **** you want.

Disgusting. Add another one to the list.

Corrosion
12-18-2011, 09:29 PM
Then get the hell out. I'll send you a few hundred bucks for a one-way ticket to wherever the **** you want.

Disgusting. Add another one to the list.

So you are Ok with the current state of America ?

:thinking:


Dont send me money , just a one way first class ticket to the Cook Islands .....


http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/10/27/Cook_Islands_wideweb__430x295,0.jpg

TheMatrix31
12-18-2011, 09:32 PM
So you are Ok with the current state of America ?

:thinking:


Dont send me money , just a one way first class ticket to the Cook Islands .....


http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/10/27/Cook_Islands_wideweb__430x295,0.jpg

I'm proud of this country no matter which dumb****s are leading us.

But this isn't the proper venue for this discussion, and suffice it to say I wouldn't discuss it in the NSZ either.


So yeah, **** Jeremy Shockey for all his transgressions. But. McNair or somebody else needs to tell these dumbass players how to stand properly during the anthem.

KA4Texan
12-18-2011, 09:40 PM
Gov. and country are two separate entities.

I LOVE my country but I HATE the Gov. (politicians) that are raping it.

No matter how much the Gov. drives this country to the ground I will ALWAYS be proud of my country even if the leaders are shameful.

Wolf
12-18-2011, 09:57 PM
(on his touchdown catch) “It was a simple play and I guess what’s his name, Ryans, DeMeco Ryans, what’s his name? DeMeco Ryans couldn’t make the play and it was an easy touchdown. Again, this offense in my opinion is very hard to learn and as a defensive player you have to be on or someone will be open as I was and Cam [Newton] did a good job of finding people open.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Postgame-quotes-Texans-vs-Panthers/d19693a3-f804-46ea-b57d-2a9b9c998eb5

NastyNate
12-18-2011, 10:00 PM
at this point in time i dont really like america either no pride in it is what i mean


Then GTFO. I'll gladly show your ass the door.

Corrosion
12-18-2011, 10:04 PM
Gov. and country are two separate entities.

I LOVE my country but I HATE the Gov. (politicians) that are raping it.

No matter how much the Gov. drives this country to the ground I will ALWAYS be proud of my country even if the leaders are shameful.

Good post - pretty much how I feel about the entire situation as well .....


As for those bitching and complaining about the expresion of opinion & thoughts of others - Dont forget that one of those rights we fight for and stand for is freedom of speech ..... :pirate:


Dont Tread On Me! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZv_lvvIVoI)

luvdatsteelblu
12-18-2011, 10:34 PM
Freedom of speech and expression is one of the cornerstone's of our constitution. Its not like they were sitting for the anthem. Silent protest perhaps... and Shockey probably brought it up to deflect questions about his sophmore behavior thru out the game.

imatexan
12-18-2011, 11:09 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Jeremy-Shockey-didn-t-like-the-way-Texans-stood-?urn=nfl-wp14153

What a terrible sports writer.

From the article:
"Jeremy Shockey didn't like the way a few Houston Texans players were standing during the national anthem on Sunday and, being Jeremy Shockey, he wasn't shy about sharing his feelings with his opponents.
"I was pretty upset in the way [Texans players] weren't showing respect to America during the national anthem," the Panthers tight end told SportsRadio 610. "There were about 10 players that didn't put their arms across their chest.
"This is America. You should at least respect America."
Shockey later said he told a few of the players about his feeling during the game, yet didn't elaborate on what he said.
A quick look at some image archives shows that the Texans are far from alone in not standing with their hands on their hearts. Here are two, of random shots of Eagles and Titans players during the anthem, and only a few are standing in a pose that would please Shockey. I'd imagine it's the same situation with every single team around the NFL.
As the proud brother of a West Point graduate, I've seen how men and women should stand during the anthem and have found myself increasingly annoyed in recent years by the lack of respect people show during it. But complaining about it is like spitting into the wind.
Frankly, the players are the least of the problem. At least they tend to stand still and respectfully. In the stands it's a different story. There are people cheering before the anthem is over, shouting out words like "Oh!" and "red!" to support their teams, checking their phones and people wearing hats everywhere. I appreciate Shockey standing up for what he believes, yet can't help but think it's a cause long ago lost.
And, dude, if you think a few guys standing around without their hands over their heart is bad, go to Chicago. That's where they scream their heads off during the singing of the anthem and try to pass it off as patriotism."

TheMatrix31
12-18-2011, 11:14 PM
Freedom of speech and expression exist but not when you're an employee of a private entity.

2BCF
12-19-2011, 12:18 AM
Luv ya Kimmy.

But as US citizens, we have the right to disagree with our government. Personally, I don't think the Texans players are making a political statement here, they're just being football players. Most of whom are making a thousand times as much as they would if they had to actually work for living. This is much ado about nothing as I see it.

Agree 100%.
If it were the Olympic games, then I it might rub me the wrong way.

MadBurgerMaker
12-19-2011, 03:55 AM
Then get the hell out. I'll send you a few hundred bucks for a one-way ticket to wherever the **** you want.

Disgusting. Add another one to the list.

Then GTFO. I'll gladly show your ass the door.

This sort of thing rubs me the wrong way. It's perfectly within Norg's rights to say something like that, as it absolutely should be. Why should he have to get out for his opinion?

Disagree with him? Sure.

Make him go away? Hmmm

eriadoc
12-19-2011, 04:08 AM
There seems to be a bit of confusion or ignorance by some posters in this trhead. So to clarify, the 1st Amendment establishes that the government cannot prohibit you from speaking your mind or expressing yourself, within certain parameters. It does nothing to prohibit me from calling you a jackass for saying whatever you like. It does nothing to prohibit consumers from raising hell with a team that employs people who disgrace the country. It does nothing to prohibit consumers from withholding purchases of a product (just ask the Dixie Chicks). It does nothing to prohibit Bob McNair from putting a boot in his players' asses for potentially pissing off lots of fans.

So take your 1st Amendment complaints to the government, because this debate has no place for them. The government has not made a statement one way or another, is not coercing anyone to do anything on either side, and is in no way involved. This issue is strictly about behavior that reflects upon an employer and potentially jeopardizes standing with customers. Looking at porn is protected under the 1st Amendment as well, but if a player had a Hustler mag on the sidelines, you know damn well there would be a fuss. Rights are irrelevant to the issue.

MadBurgerMaker
12-19-2011, 04:31 AM
There is probably a rule against having porn on the sidelines, or at least probably something to do with magazines and such. There doesn't appear to be a rule about having your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

Some do it, some don't. So what?

First YouTube that popped up for Super Bowl National Anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhrrGu2rcZ4

Jake Delhomme, for example, wasn't doing it in this (unless his heart is in a strange spot), and may have been one that got Shockey all butthurt today too. Tom Brady is stretching with his hand over his heart. The horror.

Honestly though, all this seems to be is Shockey being his usual douche self and looking for a way to continue trying to trash talk.

Hookem Horns
12-19-2011, 04:37 AM
Personally I don't get the whole patriotic ceremonies at sporting events. What does patriotism, etc have to do with sports and how is it different than any other form of entertainment? For example it's not done before concerts, movies, comedy shows, theater plays, etc.

When I am abroad I have often been asked by non-Americans that question since many find it odd and don't make the connection. I just tell them it is a tradition here but never really researched as to why it is done just at sporting events.

Then get the hell out. I'll send you a few hundred bucks for a one-way ticket to wherever the **** you want.

Does that offer stand to get medical treatment also? I have to go to Spain in a few months to get medical care that I cannot afford here because I am self employed.

MadBurgerMaker
12-19-2011, 04:47 AM
Personally I don't get the whole patriotic ceremonies at sporting events. What does patriotism, etc have to do with sports and how is it different than any other form of entertainment? For example it's not done before concerts, movies, comedy shows, theater plays, etc.

When I am abroad I have often been asked by non-Americans that question since many find it odd and don't make the connection. I just tell them it is a tradition here but never really researched as to why it is done just at sporting events.

I've been asked about it too, and have no real response either. As a matter of fact, I was overseas (Singapore) for that Patriots - Panthers Super Bowl that I linked above, and that is when I was asked, so that's weird. It didn't even register when I checked the video out. I must be more drunk than I thought.

Anyhow, I'd be interested in the reasoning behind it, if there even is any aside from "it has always been like that."

Jaysol
12-19-2011, 05:25 AM
Read this a while back.

http://blogs.static.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/27805.html


After America’s entrance into World War I, Major League Baseball games often featured patriotic rituals, such as players marching in formation during pregame military drills and bands playing patriotic songs. During the seventh-inning stretch of game one of the 1918 World Series, the band erupted into “The Star-Spangled Banner.” The Cubs and Red Sox players faced the centerfield flag pole and stood at attention. The crowd, already on their feet, began to sing along and applauded at the end of the song.

Given the positive reaction, the band played the song during the next two games, and when the Series moved to Boston, the Red Sox owner brought in a band and had the song played before the start of each remaining contest. After the war (and after the song was made the national anthem by a congressional resolution in 1931), the song continued to be played, but only on special occasions like opening day, national holidays and World Series games.

During World War II, baseball games again became venues for large-scale displays of patriotism, and technological advances in public address systems allowed songs to be played without a band. “The Star-Spangled Banner” was played before games throughout the course of the war, and by the time the war was over, the pregame singing of the national anthem had become cemented as a baseball ritual, after which it spread to other sports.


tldr: Blame baseball.

The Star Spangled Banner was a baseball tradition before it even became this countries national anthem.

Personally, I think anyone who lets something like this get the better of them should reevaluate their priorities. Different people show patriotism in different ways, and just because they don't stand at attention before a sports event, doesn't make them any less patriotic. I'd rather those guys be worried about how they are going to perform, instead of being in a straight line and placing their hands over their heart.

Webbster
12-19-2011, 06:29 AM
Meh. So what? You aren't required to have your hand over your heart for the national anthem. One of the things about living in the US.

So What? Really? So What? You aren't required to say "Yes Sir" or "Yes Ma'am" to your parents either but if you have a single ounce of respect for your parents YOU DO say these things.

I feel pity for you!

SheTexan
12-19-2011, 06:50 AM
It's tradition to place your hand over your heart when reciting the Pledge of Allegience, not the singing of the National Anthum. Us old schoolers were probably brought up to do both, out of respect for the flag, but, this day and age, most of our kids are not taught to do either. I know this because I fussed at my grandkids for not putting their hand over their hearts during the National Anthum, MANY times, and they always told me, it's not the Pledge so they don't have to. Do I agree? NO! It's called RESPECT, and that word alone has become a word with no meaning.

mexican texan
12-19-2011, 07:14 AM
Don't get me wrong, I have family who are serving this country, and I'm proud to be from it.... :patriot:

However, we're not "America's Team". We're Texans :texflag:

I'm sure other NFL Teams bands don't play their respective state song like our B.P.P.B. does, I even remember when they used to play Deep In The Heart of Texas during the games a few years ago.

MadBurgerMaker
12-19-2011, 07:56 AM
So What? Really? So What? You aren't required to say "Yes Sir" or "Yes Ma'am" to your parents either but if you have a single ounce of respect for your parents YOU DO say these things.

I feel pity for you!

Does it bother you that much that I don't feel the need to force a certain viewpoint or way of thinking or way of doing something on another person?

How much do you know about me that you can "feel pity for" me? I'm curious.

Edit: Oh hey Jaysol...interesting stuff about how it came about. I didn't see your post at first.

TheMatrix31
12-19-2011, 08:01 AM
This sort of thing rubs me the wrong way. It's perfectly within Norg's rights to say something like that, as it absolutely should be. Why should he have to get out for his opinion?

Disagree with him? Sure.

Make him go away? Hmmm

And it's within my rights to call him out on such a ridiculous statement. Anyone who is not proud of this country disgusts me. That's right. Disgusts. And that is sugarcoating it.




Does that offer stand to get medical treatment also? I have to go to Spain in a few months to get medical care that I cannot afford here because I am self employed.

Wait until 2014.





.....the point is that it's a matter of respect. I don't see the anthem performances so I dont know the exact way the players were standing but there is a certain decorum to follow when the anthem is being played. If they had their arms folded then that's a direct body language thing. Shows they're disapproving. It's disrespectful to the highest degree. Stand with your arms behind your back, with your arms straight down, or with your right hand on your heart, which is what I do in the stands at sporting events with my hat off or clutched to my chest as well.

If someone wants to do something or not do something during the anthem that's their choice, but they are also open to any criticism that follows. Ask that asshole Mahmood Abdul-Rauf or Carlos Delgado a few years back.

MadBurgerMaker
12-19-2011, 08:05 AM
And it's within my rights to call him out on such a ridiculous statement. Anyone who is not proud of this country disgusts me. That's right. Disgusts. And that is sugarcoating it.

Absolutely. Tell him he's dumb and a piece of crap and whatever else, I don't care, and hell I might even agree with you. It's just the "GET OUT" part that kind of bugs me. People shouldn't be forced to go away because of their opinions. Know what I'm saying? Get them to piss off on their own because they feel like a huge dumbass instead. :) It's better that way.

TheMatrix31
12-19-2011, 08:26 AM
Absolutely. Tell him he's dumb and a piece of crap and whatever else, I don't care, and hell I might even agree with you. It's just the "GET OUT" part that kind of bugs me. People shouldn't be forced to go away because of their opinions. Know what I'm saying? Get them to piss off on their own because they feel like a huge dumbass instead. :) It's better that way.

Well uh nobody is forcing him to leave. I don't have a gun to his head and neither does anybody else. If I COULD run shuttles every half hour taking people who aren't proud of the US somewhere else, I probably would. That's.... that's just not the point. He's willingly living in a country he doesn't respect. That's horrible. Perhaps he'd be happier and more proud elsewhere then.

Either way I assume this is way off topic. So whatever.

MadBurgerMaker
12-19-2011, 08:34 AM
Well uh nobody is forcing him to leave. I don't have a gun to his head and neither does anybody else. If I COULD run shuttles every half hour taking people who aren't proud of the US somewhere else, I probably would. That's.... that's just not the point. He's willingly living in a country he doesn't respect. That's horrible. Perhaps he'd be happier and more proud elsewhere then.

What's really cool about this country, and some others, is that people can think what they want about it, the government, and everything else. It isn't horrible, it's just how they feel, and it doesn't necessarily mean they would rather be somewhere else. There isn't some standard viewpoint that everyone is required to have. At least not yet.

Either way I assume this is way off topic. So whatever.

Meh, maybe.

Señor Stan
12-19-2011, 08:46 AM
Shockey is just upset the Texans didn't come to attention and salute his sweet bald eagle arm sleeve tat.

Grams
12-19-2011, 08:47 AM
It's tradition to place your hand over your heart when reciting the Pledge of Allegience, not the singing of the National Anthum. Us old schoolers were probably brought up to do both, out of respect for the flag, but, this day and age, most of our kids are not taught to do either. I know this because I fussed at my grandkids for not putting their hand over their hearts during the National Anthum, MANY times, and they always told me, it's not the Pledge so they don't have to. Do I agree? NO! It's called RESPECT, and that word alone has become a word with no meaning.

I agree. You show respect for this country and for the men and womens who have died to give you the freedoms you enjoy. You do not have to agree with the politics of our leaders, but you can show respect for those that gave their lives for you.

Texan_Bill
12-19-2011, 09:02 AM
I' sure someone already posted this (and I'm too tired to read all of the thread), but DeMeco called out Shockey by saying "If he's so Patriotic was he watching our team and not the flag?"....

Kthx
12-19-2011, 09:04 AM
First off, I want to say that while America is great that the way it is being ran is awful and doesn't make me proud.

Secondly I want to say by not allowing other people to speak dissent about the country they live in you are doing the same thing you are complaining about. The soldiers who have died, the people who have sacrificed everything or alot for this country did it so that we could have the freedoms that we enjoy today, including the freedom to speak out against your own government and country if that is what you want to do. Just saying.

Craig.
12-19-2011, 09:06 AM
Just saying.

:facepalm:

Yankee_In_TX
12-19-2011, 09:10 AM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE send e-mails to the Texans and the League. Supposedly he flipped off fans. But I did see him do a blatant crotch grab near the north endzone with about 6:55 left in the game (to the fans).

He had been gesturing to the crowd most of the game, but to me, he should be fined for that. RIGHT in front of a ref who shrugged it off.

If someone can find photos or have it on the DVR....

*bump*

Are you guys seriously arguing based on something this guy said? A texter this morning said Cam Newton was stretching during the National anthem.

Marc said Shockey and Newton were A-holes behind the bench and as I said he was making dumba$$ gestures to the crowd most of the end of them game.

Then he intentionally disrespects Demeco because he sure as Hell knows who he is because they got in a fight in training camp a few years back.

I am sad about anyone giving his words any credence.

Kimmy
12-19-2011, 09:13 AM
Yahoo article on it this morning (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Jeremy-Shockey-didn-8217-t-like-the-way-some-Te?urn=nfl-wp14153)

Jeremy Shockey didn’t like the way Texans stood during anthem
By Chris Chase

Jeremy Shockey didn't like the way a few Houston Texans players were standing during the national anthem on Sunday and, being Jeremy Shockey, he wasn't shy about sharing his feelings with his opponents.

"I was pretty upset in the way [Texans players] weren't showing respect to America during the national anthem," the Panthers tight end told reporters from The Houston Chronicle. "There were about 10 players that didn't put their arms across their chest. "This is America. You should at least respect America."

Shockey later said he told a few of the players about his feeling during the game, yet didn't elaborate on what he said. Texans players gave it right back to Shockey.

"If he's so patriotic, why was he looking at our bench instead of the flag?" linebacker DeMeco Ryans asked the Chronicle. "Where did he come up with the number 10? Was he counting? Why was he paying attention to us during the national anthem?"

Duly noted, Mr. Ryans. Perhaps Shockey should do as he says and fully respect the anthem instead of looking around to see who isn't as patriotic as him.

A quick look at some image archives shows that the Texans are far from alone in not standing with their hands on their hearts. Here are two, of random shots of Eagles and Titans players during the anthem, and only a few are standing in a pose that would please Shockey.

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/0b/0b3d1c5ea42876b8d20ef6791fa5994c/jeremy_shockey_didnt_like_the_way_some_texans_stoo d_during_anthem.jpg
http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/da/daae7c4d276f692b296f9270ab67c805/jeremy_shockey_didnt_like_the_way_some_texans_stoo d_during_anthem.jpg

I'd imagine it's the same situation with every single team around the NFL.
As the proud brother of a West Point graduate, I've seen how men and women should stand during the anthem and have found myself increasingly annoyed in recent years by the lack of respect people show during it. But complaining about it is like spitting into the wind.

Frankly, the players are the least of the problem. At least they tend to stand still and respectfully. In the stands it's a different story. There are people cheering before the anthem is over, shouting out words like "Oh!" and "red!" to support their teams, checking their phones and people wearing hats everywhere. I appreciate Shockey standing up for what he believes, yet can't help but think it's a cause long ago lost.

And, dude, if you think a few guys standing around without their hands over their heart is bad, go to Chicago. That's where they scream their heads off during the singing of the anthem and try to pass it off as patriotism.

MadBurgerMaker
12-19-2011, 09:20 AM
I honestly can't remember ever seeing Matt Hasselbeck with hair. Hm.

Nice quote by DeMeco.

robroy72
12-19-2011, 09:41 AM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE send e-mails to the Texans and the League. Supposedly he flipped off fans. But I did see him do a blatant crotch grab near the north endzone with about 6:55 left in the game (to the fans).

He had been gesturing to the crowd most of the game, but to me, he should be fined for that. RIGHT in front of a ref who shrugged it off.

If someone can find photos or have it on the DVR....

He was also taunting Toro; I guess our mascot didn't show enough respect during the national anthem :toropalm:

Texecutioner
12-19-2011, 09:44 AM
And it's within my rights to call him out on such a ridiculous statement. Anyone who is not proud of this country disgusts me. That's right. Disgusts. And that is sugarcoating it.


Someone who isn't currently proud of this country disgusts you?? Would it still disgust you if America brought back slavery or some other outlandish laws that made people not feel proud of this country? Well a lot of things that have taken place over the last 6 years or so have made a lot of people no longer feel proud of this country. None of which were as extreme as the examples I just gave, but unconditional support always has it's limitations or at least it should.

You've been watching "Born On The 4th Of July" a little to many times it sounds like.

Texecutioner
12-19-2011, 09:48 AM
And Jeremy Shockey can kiss the Texans ass. Since when has he ever been a "boyscout" type of figure to call any team or anyone out? For years he's either been known for acting like an obnoxious jackass on the field, alienating his teammates when things aren't going his way, and getting himself ran off of teams like the Saints and the Giants. Shockey is the same guy who wouldn't even show up for the Giants ring ceremony because he had sour grapes about not being able to play in their SB run from being injured and having Boss take his job from underneath him. Shockey has never been the type of guy to preach to others about professionalism in the NFL. This is a joke.

Playoffs
12-19-2011, 10:14 AM
http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/28500/Mullet-28578.jpg

Texans ... Y U No Luv 'Merica?

HOU-TEX
12-19-2011, 10:17 AM
Shockey's obviously still pissed DeMeco whooped that ass a couple years ago. Grudge much?

Honoring Earl 34
12-19-2011, 10:25 AM
Shockey is such a class act that the Giants went on their SB run once Shockey broke his leg . Some said once Kevin Boss came in the huddle they relaxed . Then during the SB Shockey was drinking beer in a suite and not down on the field with the team . He is a loser .

Texecutioner
12-19-2011, 10:40 AM
Shockey is such a class act that the Giants went on their SB run once Shockey broke his leg . Some said once Kevin Boss came in the huddle they relaxed . Then during the SB Shockey was drinking beer in a suite and not down on the field with the team . He is a loser .

He wouldn't even show up for their ring ceremony after they won, because he was so mad about Boss having success and then taking his job. The guy has been a prick for years.

ObsiWan
12-19-2011, 10:42 AM
He wouldn't even show up for their ring ceremony after they won, because he was so mad about Boss having success and then taking his job. The guy has been a prick for years.

True dat.
His main claim to fame is his mouth.
Guess he hadn't been getting enough attention down in Carolina.

Mr. White
12-19-2011, 10:51 AM
I just checked his Twitter page. Looks like he's gone Toby Keith now.

The1ApplePie
12-19-2011, 10:55 AM
I just checked his Twitter page. Looks like he's gone Toby Keith now.

He's become a giant poser to sell records to rednecks?

Yankee_In_TX
12-19-2011, 11:36 AM
Anyone hear Meltser's Steve Smith interview? Apparently their team is filled with d&*%s?

blanco2424
12-19-2011, 11:49 AM
Shockey was probably drinking when our organization game the home away to the mother of the marine! Sad.....

HuttoKarl
12-19-2011, 12:07 PM
I think all of the Houston Texans should immediately get giant eagle tattoos on their arms because that would be the only way to show you love your country.

Shockey is a moron.

XI CMURDER IX
12-19-2011, 12:32 PM
I heard he was taunting the TV crew for not mentioning their undying love for America during the pre-game shows.

Dread-Head
12-19-2011, 12:35 PM
Hated him as a Giant, Hated him as a Saint. I hope the next time they play the Steelers James Harrison gives him a helmet to the face. The man's a Nasshole.

jaayteetx
12-19-2011, 01:08 PM
Shockey was probably drinking when our organization game the home away to the mother of the marine! Sad.....

The Texans didn't give the home to them, it was Operation Finally Home.

Hookem Horns
12-19-2011, 01:45 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/news/2003/08/08/shockey_parcells_ap/t1_shockey_all.jpg

http://www.offroaders.com/tech/images/hemi-sweet.jpg

DX-TEX
12-19-2011, 01:54 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Texans-surprise-Marine-8217-s-widow-and-son-wit?urn=nfl-wp14211

Marine Scott Wood died four weeks ago after suffering injuries during combat in Iraq. Before his burial, his wife dressed him in two uniforms. On the outside, Scott wore his military dress blues. Underneath, he wore the blue No. 80 jersey of Houston Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson.

Sara Wood had been married to Scott for eight years. They have a five-year-old son together named Landon. Now he and Sara live in a single room in her parent's house.

"He knows daddy's in heaven," Sara said of Landon, "though I don't know if he fully comprehends what that means. He knows daddy's not coming back."

When Sara got an offer to go watch the Houston Texans play the Carolina Panthers on Sunday, she jumped at the opportunity. She knew her husband would have loved to go the Reliant Stadium to watch his beloved team play. Plus, she and Landon had never been to a game before.

As described in a column by Tully Corcoran on FSHouston.com, the team brought Sara to the game under the pretense that she and her son would be part of a halftime ceremony in which Landon would receive a bike and Scott's memory would be celebrated by the 71,500 in attendance. Both those things happened, but a much bigger surprise awaited.

The team told Sara she and London would be receiving a custom-built, mortgage-free house in a Houston suburb. It's courtesy Operation Finally Home, an organization the builds houses for wounded and disabled veterans or their widowed families. In its seven years of existence, the charity has built 32 homes in 32 states, all mortgage free.

This home will allow the Wood family to stay close to family but have a place of their own. The hope is that she and Landon will move in next May. Scott won't be there, but that doesn't mean Landon won't talk to him.

"We told him he could talk to daddy in his prayers," she said, "and even in the middle of the day, you'll see him walk around the corner and you'll hear him say the 'now I lay me down to sleep prayer,' which Scott taught him. And then he starts talking to daddy."



Yeah, the Texans hate America. Shockey is a complete ****ing tool!

Dutchrudder
12-19-2011, 03:42 PM
It is possible that some NFL players were not born and raised in America. Not sure if there are any on the Texans, but that may have something to do with it. Okoye was born in Nigeria, and I wouldn't expect him to have his hand over his heart for the anthem.

Showtime100
12-19-2011, 03:52 PM
It is possible that some NFL players were not born and raised in America. Not sure if there are any on the Texans, but that may have something to do with it. Okoye was born in Nigeria, and I wouldn't expect him to have his hand over his heart for the anthem.

That's a good point and something to consider, but watch an NHL game where Americans account for roughly 25% of all players in the league. Canada accounts for about half, call it a little more than half, and the Europeans account for roughly 20% of the playing population. Not like I've looked for it, but I've never seen a story out of ther NHL saying Canadians (players themselves) or Europeans acting in any way disrespectful during the Anthem.

Dunno, maybe they were taught differently than Americans.

TexanSam
12-19-2011, 04:03 PM
That's a good point and something to consider, but watch an NHL game where Americans account for roughly 25% of all players in the league. Canada accounts for about half, call it a little more than half, and the Europeans account for roughly 20% of the playing population. Not like I've looked for it, but I've never seen a story out of ther NHL saying Canadians (players themselves) or Europeans acting in any way disrespectful during the Anthem.

Dunno, maybe they were taught differently than Americans.

Not putting your hand over your heart isn't disrespectful, IMO. Shockey is just saying this to draw attention. If Texans players were talking or walking up and down the field during the anthem, then that would be disrespectful. But not putting your hand over your heart? That's ridiculous.

When the anthem plays, my hand isn't over my heart. I hold my arms down and clasped together. Is that a gesture that people would take offense to?

Just out of curiousity, I looked up Youtube videos of national anthems during football games.

This one's at a 49ers game. Players don't have their hands over their heart. Guess Shockey thinks they don't like America either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqrG_ZCtrAQ

Bears/Falcons game. Hard to tell if they're holding the flag or just behind the service members who are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7BQV93tFLs

Dolphins/Giants game. Pretty sure this is when Shockey was still with NY. Not every player is holding their hand over their heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O46wGHdacfM

From a PANTHERS game. Not every Panther is holding their hand over their heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOk3_iTPBug

Brisco_County
12-19-2011, 04:05 PM
Shockey's emotional maturity is Haynesworth-like.

If he wants to use token gestures like tattoos and anthems to measure another man's values, he can show up on the sidelines to support his teammates during the most meaningful game of their lives.

Some ink under your skin doesn't make up for your own lack of integrity or character, and your brother going to West Point doesn't vicariously make you Captain America. What have you done for your country, Jeremy, other than talk? Being a poor example of character isn't exactly reinforcing American exceptionalism. Go grab your crotch in front of a crowd of parents and kids some more-- the same people who happen to actually live and breath the American values that you only associate with through meaningless talk.

False Start
12-19-2011, 04:11 PM
LOL! This is funny! (http://i.imgur.com/rBWvt.png)

Double Barrel
12-19-2011, 04:11 PM
Personally I don't get the whole patriotic ceremonies at sporting events. What does patriotism, etc have to do with sports and how is it different than any other form of entertainment? For example it's not done before concerts, movies, comedy shows, theater plays, etc.

Good question.

I salute the flag, but I was trained to do so from a young age. It's habit now.

I think "showing respect for your country" should be much deeper for citizens than a simple hand gesture. I think showing respect would include voting, abiding by the law, holding elected official accountable, making global corporations responsible, and quite a few other pro-active endeavors that would require a whole lot more effort than a mere hand over the heart.

I guess this is where the obligatory George Carlin quote goes:

"A flag is a symbol, and I'll leave symbols to the symbol-minded"
~ George Carlin

A couple of other notable Americans that seem to be "disrespecting" the flag, as well:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f302/lanavanvleet/s-BUSH-PATRIOTISM-PROBLEM-large.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2T4pJCAr0SY/RzogjU3R05I/AAAAAAAAACQ/y4lyC33OogI/s320/bush-stomach.jpg

http://www.cozzifantutti.com/blogphotos/bush_desecrates_flag.jpg

http://www.fortliberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/obama-not-saluting-the-american-flag.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_K0MjY0q3Q1w/SMn5kwjVG1I/AAAAAAAAA7k/Ac7qBLqJXNk/s400/palintraitor1.jpg

:toropalm:

rush2112mn
12-19-2011, 04:12 PM
you put your hand across your heart for pledge of allegiance......

no such thing for national anthem....just stand there......remove your hat with your hands by your side......

Jeez....what a kookoo........he has a few screws loose.......

False Start
12-19-2011, 04:13 PM
http://0.tqn.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/Z/1/1/obamas_flag_salute.jpg

:kitten: :hankpalm:

Showtime100
12-19-2011, 04:24 PM
Not putting your hand over your heart isn't disrespectful, IMO. Shockey is just saying this to draw attention. If Texans players were talking or walking up and down the field during the anthem, then that would be disrespectful. But not putting your hand over your heart? That's ridiculous.

When the anthem plays, my hand isn't over my heart. I hold my arms down and clasped together. Is that a gesture that people would take offense to?


I don't care if the hand is over the heart and I don't know why this is directed at me. I simply like to see respect for the flag. If you are standing, hat off, and not carrying on a conversation during the rendition, I couldn't be happier, you know? I'm no Anthem nazi like Shockey seems to be.

As far as the playing of the Anthem before game, that's another topic altogether, but as long as it is being played I see no reason a person can't stand up and shut up for a minute and a half.

Yankee_In_TX
12-19-2011, 05:58 PM
nevermind.

Dutchrudder
12-19-2011, 06:37 PM
http://0.tqn.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/Z/1/1/obamas_flag_salute.jpg

:kitten: :hankpalm:

Snope'd long ago:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/lefthand.asp

imatexan
12-19-2011, 06:46 PM
It is possible that some NFL players were not born and raised in America. Not sure if there are any on the Texans, but that may have something to do with it. Okoye was born in Nigeria, and I wouldn't expect him to have his hand over his heart for the anthem.


This brings up an interesting point.
Even if you are foreign born or raised if you are in the USA you need to show the proper respect.
As many have stated I don't think you have to have your hand over your heart you just should be respectful by being quiet and standing still.

Goldensilence
12-19-2011, 06:52 PM
Never saw this coming.

A pissing match over who and who doesn't love America.

Wolf
12-19-2011, 06:55 PM
Shockey's obviously still pissed DeMeco whooped that ass a couple years ago. Grudge much?

(on his touchdown catch) “It was a simple play and I guess what’s his name, Ryans, DeMeco Ryans, what’s his name? DeMeco Ryans couldn’t make the play and it was an easy touchdown. Again, this offense in my opinion is very hard to learn and as a defensive player you have to be on or someone will be open as I was and Cam [Newton] did a good job of finding people open.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Postgame-quotes-Texans-vs-Panthers/d19693a3-f804-46ea-b57d-2a9b9c998eb5

yep

TexanSam
12-19-2011, 06:55 PM
Never saw this coming.

A pissing match over who and who doesn't love America.

Yeah, I guess Shockey probably accomplished what he wanted.

F you Shockey!

Dutchrudder
12-19-2011, 07:00 PM
This brings up an interesting point.
Even if you are foreign born or raised if you are in the USA you need to show the proper respect.
As many have stated I don't think you have to have your hand over your heart you just should be respectful by being quiet and standing still.

So if you attended a hockey game between an American and Canadian team, would you salute or put your hand over your heart for the Canadian national anthem? I wouldn't, but I would stand there and respect the anthem being played. That's essentially what the Texans players were doing, nothing out of the ordinary, so I think this criticism by Shockey is misguided.

CretorFrigg
12-19-2011, 07:02 PM
Nobody has to put their hand over their heart during the national anthem. This isn't Nazi Germany. You have the right not to.

imatexan
12-19-2011, 07:05 PM
So if you attended a hockey game between an American and Canadian team, would you salute or put your hand over your heart for the Canadian national anthem? I wouldn't, but I would stand there and respect the anthem being played. That's essentially what the Texans players were doing, nothing out of the ordinary, so I think this criticism by Shockey is misguided.

Did you read my post?

That is exactly what I said. Show the proper respect but you don't have to do a certain gesture.

False Start
12-19-2011, 07:28 PM
Snope'd long ago:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/lefthand.asp

Ahhh I see, just saw it on a image search, lol.

Showtime100
12-19-2011, 07:29 PM
Never saw this coming.

A pissing match over who and who doesn't love America.

We must be reading two different threads.

IDEXAN
12-20-2011, 07:30 AM
John - I love your column, but with due respect, Shockey is right. I have been a season ticket holder from Day 1 with the Texans. Several games ago, my kids pointed out that while the visiting Steelers were lined up in a straight line standing at attention for the anthem, the Texans players were strewn all over the place, many talking and not even paying attention. I have observed the exact same "unpatriotic" behavior in the home team in every game since. I am not denying the points you make about Mr. McNair and our Texans, but you would be wise to listen to Shockey's criticism and observe for yourself before blindly criticizing Shockey - even if he is a really easy target! While he is usually an ***** when he opens his mouth, this time he called a spade a spade. While our guys are good American men and great football players on most days, we can clearly improve. Please call on Gary and the guys to get their "anthem act" together in the future!
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/shockey-should-apologize-to-texans-for-clueless-comments/
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FWIW - comments from a reader in John McClains blog about the subject.
Myself, I don't really know because I've not attended a Texans game in person for some time.

BullNation4Life
12-20-2011, 07:52 AM
John - I love your column, but with due respect, Shockey is right. I have been a season ticket holder from Day 1 with the Texans. Several games ago, my kids pointed out that while the visiting Steelers were lined up in a straight line standing at attention for the anthem, the Texans players were strewn all over the place, many talking and not even paying attention. I have observed the exact same "unpatriotic" behavior in the home team in every game since. I am not denying the points you make about Mr. McNair and our Texans, but you would be wise to listen to Shockey's criticism and observe for yourself before blindly criticizing Shockey - even if he is a really easy target! While he is usually an ***** when he opens his mouth, this time he called a spade a spade. While our guys are good American men and great football players on most days, we can clearly improve. Please call on Gary and the guys to get their "anthem act" together in the future!
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/12/shockey-should-apologize-to-texans-for-clueless-comments/
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FWIW - comments from a reader in John McClains blog about the subject.
Myself, I don't really know because I've not attended a Texans game in person for some time.

:rolleyes:

Thorn
12-20-2011, 09:42 AM
Never saw this coming.

A pissing match over who and who doesn't love America.

Yeah, that never happens on this board. :lol:

Ktexan68
12-20-2011, 09:46 AM
I refuse to read any of this crap concerning that village *****.

Ktexan68
12-20-2011, 09:47 AM
Holy crap, I can't say i d i o .t?

DerekLee1
12-20-2011, 09:55 AM
Holy crap, I can't say i d i o .t?

No, but apparently you can say "crap".

Double Barrel
12-20-2011, 12:31 PM
While our guys are good American men and great football players on most days, we can clearly improve. Please call on Gary and the guys to get their "anthem act" together in the future!

Jeesh....this is jingoism taken to absurd levels...

I think it's time to Godwin's Law this stupid thread.

Did you know the government of Nazi Germany had strict rules and regulations about the "Hitlergruß" (literally Hitler Greeting or Deutscher Gruß, German Greeting)? The salute was mandatory for civilians, and people were encourage to rat out neighbors who did not conform to the exact standards established by the Nazi party.

Extreme nationalism is a social disease that can run rampant if not checked regularly with strong doses of irreverence.

Texan_Bill
12-20-2011, 12:43 PM
So let me get this straight Jeremy Shockey. If I remove my had and cross my hands behind my back during the anthem, I'm not a good 'Merican.

Perhaps Shockey needs to revisit the Constitution before calling anyone out on Patriotism. Douche.baggery on Parade.

Texan_Bill
12-20-2011, 12:45 PM
Never saw this coming.

A pissing match over who and who doesn't love America.

You don't spend much time in the NSZ anymore, eh?

Playoffs
12-20-2011, 01:28 PM
Holy crap, I can't say i d i o .t?
Hmmm...

I can call myself one:

I'm an idiot,

but can't call you one:

You're an *****.

:hmmm: Forum software must have some high-level built in lie detector.

Goldensilence
12-20-2011, 02:13 PM
We must be reading two different threads.

Dunno, summed up here what I've read 7 pages of:

No hand over heart during anthem = disrespecting flag = hating America = get out.

I think there's a Toby Keith song somewhere that prolly sums it up even better.


Honestly, I'd rather the Texans players be dialed into trying to figure out who they are going to give snot bubbles to on offense or who's jock strap is going to be lost on defense than whose hand is over their heart during the anthem.

I guess I am just wired that way.

Texan_Bill
12-20-2011, 02:34 PM
Meh, Shockey showed his douche.baggery by not remembering the guy's name that ***** slapped him a couple of years ago... DeMeco.

Stemp
12-20-2011, 02:49 PM
This from the same guy who grabbed his crouch and gestured toward the crowd more than once during the game.

:rolleyes:

Yankee_In_TX
12-20-2011, 04:48 PM
This from the same guy who grabbed his crouch and gestured toward the crowd more than once during the game.

:rolleyes:

Thank you - still waiting for video or photos - towards the north endzone with about 6:55 left in the game. Jackwagon needs to be fined by the NFL. He did it right in front of a ref who shrugged.

Kimmy
12-31-2011, 10:14 PM
So, I've been a "Section Captain" this year. Basically means; hey, fill out this survey after each game.

And I have. I won an autographed picture of DeMeeco and this week, I get to be one of the people holding the flag during the anthem :)

I'm planning in bringing my video camera, hopefully will get some good video of the ceremonies.

Then again, I may go streaking across the field and tackle someone ;)

Pieman2005
12-31-2011, 10:44 PM
Patriotism isn't so big anymore. USA is so screwed up right now. :kitten:

The Third Man
01-01-2012, 02:00 AM
Patriotism isn't so big anymore. USA is so screwed up right now. :kitten:

Patriotism is devalued when people put more stock into cosmetic things like national anthem athlete etiquette and flag label pins than the intelligent use and care of our troops overseas and when they return to civilian life.