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Wolf6151
12-16-2011, 01:31 AM
Walterfootballs mock draft was posted and followed last year and I thought it might be interesting to do so again this year. Walterfootball's mocks and prospect evaluations are usually some of the best ones to follow. Here are the latest picks for the Texans that was updated on 12-15-11.

24. Peter Konz-C
56. Josh Chapman-NT
87. Robert Lester-S

IMO it's obvious that Walter hasn't kept up with Texans needs lately since I think it's clear to almost everyone that WR will be our 1st pick. I actually like the first 2 picks and wouldn't argue with them at all, but Lester in the 3rd seems a waste since Quin and Manning are playing so well together. I noted that Walter has Audie Cole-ILB going one pick later in the 3rd round at #88, I'd rather have Cole for depth at ILB than Lester for depth at FS. Opinions?

beerlover
12-16-2011, 02:02 AM
Walterfootballs mock draft was posted and followed last year and I thought it might be interesting to do so again this year. Walterfootball's mocks and prospect evaluations are usually some of the best ones to follow. Here are the latest picks for the Texans that was updated on 12-15-11.

24. Peter Konz-C
56. Josh Chapman-NT
87. Robert Lester-S

IMO it's obvious that Walter hasn't kept up with Texans needs lately since I think it's clear to almost everyone that WR will be our 1st pick. I actually like the first 2 picks and wouldn't argue with them at all, but Lester in the 3rd seems a waste since Quin and Manning are playing so well together. I noted that Walter has Audie Cole-ILB going one pick later in the 3rd round at #88, I'd rather have Cole for depth at ILB than Lester for depth at FS. Opinions?

Chapman could very well be our first come April (my personal favorite @ the moment) Konz has not declared intentions (most Wisconsin OL stay in school). Audie is late 2nd early 3rd while Lester is a solid 3rd. If I could have all three of them right now I would take it, but that's awfully wishful thinking :pop:

TimeKiller
12-16-2011, 07:16 AM
Yeah, I've read that one. He says the Glover Quin expirement hasn't worked out....lol.....really?!?! Come on dude. I mean it's one thing if you speak generally because you don't want to look foolish by picking someone out. It's another to pick out a guy who is having a helluva season and say he's playing like crap.

I'd much rather have Cole than this guy Lester.

aussie_texan
12-16-2011, 07:29 AM
i have been keeping an eye on walter a lot and check his mocks each week.

i think for the last 4 if not 5 weeks his had the same three players which is really annoying especially since his reasoning for the lester pick is because "the quinn experiment isn't working" which i think couldn't be more wrong

badboy
12-16-2011, 10:29 AM
He adjusts his first round only & that is occasionally. I think he has stretched himself pretty thin with the magnitude of his web site. I don't use his info as much as before.
I think Konz will be gone before our pick. If he were to come out the following season & we have the draft this time I think we will have, I would trade up in first to get Konz.

I cannot get into Chapman. WHen I watch he disappoints me.

Really like Lester and had him mocked very early as first round but our safety issue has been resolved for most part and I'd draft a later ound to support that area.

Brandon420tx
12-17-2011, 06:19 AM
If we get a really late 1st round pick, I'm hoping for Dwight Jones (give T.J. Yates a buddy) or Kendall Wright baby woooo!!

I've been wanting Dwight Jones since watching TJ Yates' highlight reels last year, mostly because I got the impression Jones was building up Yates to look better than he was and it caught my interest. I was happy with what I saw in Yates and thought he'd be a great #2 in about 2 years, so you can't believe how thrilled I've been with his play so far, but I was always thinking, it'd be nice to get Dwight Jones here as well. He kinda reminds me of a second tier AJ tbh, with potential in the right system to become elite. *DingDingDingbringhimhere!*

Alot of places are calling him a *breakout* player this year, but I felt he was a standout performer last year too. So that's another plus

nero THE zero
12-18-2011, 07:55 AM
Walterfootballs mock draft was posted and followed last year and I thought it might be interesting to do so again this year. Walterfootball's mocks and prospect evaluations are usually some of the best ones to follow. Here are the latest picks for the Texans that was updated on 12-15-11.

24. Peter Konz-C
56. Josh Chapman-NT
87. Robert Lester-S

IMO it's obvious that Walter hasn't kept up with Texans needs lately since I think it's clear to almost everyone that WR will be our 1st pick. I actually like the first 2 picks and wouldn't argue with them at all, but Lester in the 3rd seems a waste since Quin and Manning are playing so well together. I noted that Walter has Audie Cole-ILB going one pick later in the 3rd round at #88, I'd rather have Cole for depth at ILB than Lester for depth at FS. Opinions?
I see some of the same stuff from the guys who post in this forum. It's a matter of opinion, but I can't fathom how our first pick is not a WR or CB.

digitalswim
12-18-2011, 08:06 PM
Yeah I am hoping there is decent WR value on the board when we pick. Kubiak has done a decent job of disguising our weakness in that dept. with heavy TE usage but we have absolutely nothing behind AJ. I don't care what the David Anderson and Jacoby Jones apologists have to say on the matter either. The only props I have for them concerns their down field blocking which is usually pretty solid.

Wolf6151
12-22-2011, 02:27 AM
Walter updated his mock today, 12-22-11, and made one change to the Texans picks.

1. Peter Konz-C
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Tommy Streeter-WR

Streeter is a Junior WR from Miami who's tall with good speed, tons of athletic talent and potential but only 1 yr. of actual playing time. If he had stayed in school he'd most likely be a 1st round pick in the 2013 draft but he's coming out early. After the Combine I think Streeter goes in the 2nd round. If our draft went like this I'd be happy.

beerlover
12-22-2011, 02:45 AM
Walter updated his mock today, 12-22-11, and made one change to the Texans picks.

1. Peter Konz-C
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Tommy Streeter-WR

Streeter is a Junior WR from Miami who's tall with good speed, tons of athletic talent and potential but only 1 yr. of actual playing time. If he had stayed in school he'd most likely be a 1st round pick in the 2013 draft but he's coming out early. After the Combine I think Streeter goes in the 2nd round. If our draft went like this I'd be happy.

Konz has a serious dislocated left ankle that may keep him out of the Rose Bowl against Oregon. He is a Junior and as of yet - heard nothing about him turning pro, so until he does I believe he will return to school. Maybe the Texans will look at him next year?

I just can't see how Chapman could slip to end of the 2nd rd. that would be a huge steal & type of run plugger Texans need to tie up multiple linemen.

I'll have to pass on Streeter with his limited playing experience. I would like someone more polished & ready to start.

mussop
12-25-2011, 04:59 PM
I see some of the same stuff from the guys who post in this forum. It's a matter of opinion, but I can't fathom how our first pick is not a WR or CB.

Why? You can't approach the draft wight the thinking that you are just going to fill holes. Especially when your first pick is a late one. Who do you see available late in the first round at WR or CB that would come in and replace Jackson or Walter? Draft the best player available and then use FA to sign guys to reasonable contracts where needed. Detouring from this philosophy will only hurt us down the road.

Insideop
12-26-2011, 12:59 AM
Walterfootball updated his mock again 12-26-11.

1 Peter Konz-C
2 Josh Chapman-NT
3 Marvin McNutt-WR

McNutt is the only change (was Streeter) but I don't think McNutt will be there late in the 3rd. Walterfootball themselves has him going in the 2nd, so I don't see how they have him going to us late in the 3rd. From what I've read/heard about McNutt he could be a very good pick up. If the draft turned out this way I'd be happy. Just don't think it will. The Combine/Pro-days will tell us a lot about these players, especially the WR's, and some of their draft positions could change dramatically come draft day.

Wolf6151
12-26-2011, 01:24 AM
Walterfootball updated his mock again 12-26-11.

1 Peter Konz-C
2 Josh Chapman-NT
3 Marvin McNutt-WR

McNutt is the only change (was Streeter) but I don't think McNutt will be there late in the 3rd. Walterfootball themselves has him going in the 2nd, so I don't see how they have him going to us late in the 3rd. From what I've read/heard about McNutt he could be a very good pick up. If the draft turned out this way I'd be happy. Just don't think it will. The Combine/Pro-days will tell us a lot about these players, especially the WR's, and some of their draft positions could change dramatically come draft day.

Thanks for the update. I'd be thrilled if our draft went like this but like you I think it's highly doubtful that McNutt falls to the 3rd round. That's some pretty good talent right there, Walter seems to be a Texans fan.

Insideop
12-28-2011, 09:29 PM
Walterfootball updated mock 12/29/11.

1. Kendall Wright, WR/KR, Baylor
2. Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama
3. Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State

Big changes from last week with the Texans now taking a WR in the 1st. I wonder if Kubes would pick a WR the size of Wright in the 1st? We do need a KR too so that would kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

badboy
12-29-2011, 06:30 PM
He also has Brandon Washington (my guy) drafted before Kevin Zeitler. I don't think so Lucy.

Wolf6151
12-30-2011, 12:26 AM
He also has Brandon Washington (my guy) drafted before Kevin Zeitler. I don't think so Lucy.

I'm not saying it will happen but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. Washington is a stud/beast at OG, very capable RT, and can play LT as well but not what you want at LT. He's very versatile and that versatility will be attractive to NFL teams. It would not surprise me if he went in the early/mid 2nd round.

badboy
12-30-2011, 11:19 AM
I'm not saying it will happen but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. Washington is a stud/beast at OG, very capable RT, and can play LT as well but not what you want at LT. He's very versatile and that versatility will be attractive to NFL teams. It would not surprise me if he went in the early/mid 2nd round.As Washington was moved to LT this season, I was not able to compare him to Zeitler who is a hoss. You are correct as I too see him moving up, drat. I'll have to take him off my mock.

ObsiWan
01-03-2012, 02:45 PM
If we get a really late 1st round pick, I'm hoping for Dwight Jones (give T.J. Yates a buddy) or Kendall Wright baby woooo!!

I've been wanting Dwight Jones since watching TJ Yates' highlight reels last year, mostly because I got the impression Jones was building up Yates to look better than he was and it caught my interest. I was happy with what I saw in Yates and thought he'd be a great #2 in about 2 years, so you can't believe how thrilled I've been with his play so far, but I was always thinking, it'd be nice to get Dwight Jones here as well. He kinda reminds me of a second tier AJ tbh, with potential in the right system to become elite. *DingDingDingbringhimhere!*

Alot of places are calling him a *breakout* player this year, but I felt he was a standout performer last year too. So that's another plus

I'm with you here. Dwight Jones has hands, size, runs good routes, not elite speed but fast enough. I think he'd be an upgrade over our current Jones. Who knows, he may be available in round 2.

I know this, we can't keep drafting WRs late in the draft or hoping walk-ons will pan out.

Wolf6151
01-05-2012, 04:19 AM
Walter updated his mock on 01-05-12 and added a 4th round.

1. Mohamed Sanu-WR, apparently the reports of him staying in school were wrong.
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Michael Brewster-C
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

Corrosion
01-05-2012, 08:52 AM
Walter updated his mock on 01-05-12 and added a 4th round.

1. Mohamed Sanu-WR, apparently the reports of him staying in school were wrong.
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Michael Brewster-C
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

For a team that was fantastic defensively all year - #2 overall , #3 against the pass and #4 against the run sure seems a lot of these mock guy's want to upgrade the DT spot ..... I think S.Cody had a great year , his second consecutive.

Wolf6151
01-05-2012, 05:51 PM
For a team that was fantastic defensively all year - #2 overall , #3 against the pass and #4 against the run sure seems a lot of these mock guy's want to upgrade the DT spot ..... I think S.Cody had a great year , his second consecutive.

I think they see Guyton as a depth DE since the only quality DE depth we have in Tim Jamison, and since Mitchell wasn't that good in his rotation at NT with Cody they're looking to replace him with a better NT. I think we only need the NT though since that would free up Mitchell to be DE depth. I also think Chapman has the potential to be a stud NT for our 1 gap system in a couple years. Also whatever it takes to get back into the 2nd round we should do it, I want Zeitler or Brandon Washington and Chapman in the 2nd round.

otisbean
01-06-2012, 03:15 PM
We could definitely add depth to both lines. Im not convinced old Walt actually watched Texans games as for much of the season he was saying the GQ experiment was a failure. I thought GQ played very well, especially considering it was his first year as a safety.

I think this is the first year we can truly go BPA. I think we have to be a desirable destination for FAs as we are a team on the rise - if not at the door already. We should be able to fill needs through FA and take the most talented guys available at our slot. I kind of hope one of the teams with 2 second rounders falls in love with someone in our spot as we can add some picks ala the Pats

ArlingtonTexan
01-06-2012, 05:35 PM
Not a fan of Walter's mock drafts, but I am a fan of Sanu. Has a low average per catch, but that has something to do with how they used and the average-at-best QB play.

beerlover
01-06-2012, 10:22 PM
Walters is a very well ran, updated on regular basis, website for people who's passion is to follow all things NFL draft 24-7. They have several MODS if you will who post mock drafts & stamp thier names on them, some better than others. Yet I don't see why some people have to feel a negative bias towards the free service they provide? It's really the same thing as this board which is special because its well moderated, organized & great people come here to share their thoughts & ideas :htown2atx:

ArlingtonTexan
01-06-2012, 11:03 PM
Walters is a very well ran, updated on regular basis, website for people who's passion is to follow all things NFL draft 24-7. They have several MODS if you will who post mock drafts & stamp thier names on them, some better than others. Yet I don't see why some people have to feel a negative bias towards the free service they provide? It's really the same thing as this board which is special because its well moderated, organized & great people come here to share their thoughts & ideas :htown2atx:

The site is professional and well ran, I literally think that their specific player analysis is not any better than some of you are who watch a lot of football and follow multiple draft sites.

otisbean
01-07-2012, 12:17 PM
Walters is a very well ran, updated on regular basis, website for people who's passion is to follow all things NFL draft 24-7. They have several MODS if you will who post mock drafts & stamp thier names on them, some better than others. Yet I don't see why some people have to feel a negative bias towards the free service they provide? It's really the same thing as this board which is special because its well moderated, organized & great people come here to share their thoughts & ideas :htown2atx:

I like his site and check it often. I just think he's a tad off regarding the Texans, but honestly, why would you follow the Texans closely if you're not a true fan? We haven't done much, yet.... That changes tonight. Go Texans!

Corrosion
01-07-2012, 07:48 PM
Walters is a very well ran, updated on regular basis, website for people who's passion is to follow all things NFL draft 24-7. They have several MODS if you will who post mock drafts & stamp thier names on them, some better than others. Yet I don't see why some people have to feel a negative bias towards the free service they provide? It's really the same thing as this board which is special because its well moderated, organized & great people come here to share their thoughts & ideas :htown2atx:

I wasnt praticularly complaining about Walter ..... Just making an observation.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-09-2012, 01:55 AM
I am interested in 2012 WR prospects. Does anyone know about if Alshon Jeffery entering this year's draft or not?

beerlover
01-09-2012, 08:06 AM
I am interested in 2012 WR prospects. Does anyone know about if Alshon Jeffery entering this year's draft or not?

South Carolina's record-setting receiver Alshon Jeffery is giving up his senior season for the NFL. Jeffery said Thursday he will enter the NFL draft this spring. He set the school record with 3,042 yards receiving over three seasons. He had 49 catches for 762 yards and eight touchdowns this season, capping the year as the Capital One Bowl MVP in the Gamecocks' 30-13 win over Nebraska. Jeffery had four catches for 148 yards against the Cornhuskers, including a 51-yard Hail Mary touchdown grab right before halftime. Jeffery was ejected from the game in the second half for fighting. His best year came in 2010 when he set single-season marks at South Carolina with 88 catches and 1,517 yards. - AP Sports

I've seen his stock sliding according to general opinion but I just don't see it. Still think he is a top 15 pick & Floyd probably 15-20 range.

Insideop
01-09-2012, 10:46 AM
I've seen his stock sliding according to general opinion but I just don't see it. Still think he is a top 15 pick & Floyd probably 15-20 range.

Yep. We're gonna have to move up if we want either one of them. Best bet is Dwight Jones from N.C. or Wright from Baylor. Unless something happens at the Combine or their Pro-Days to change the order.

Dutchrudder
01-09-2012, 10:49 AM
After seeing Mitchell have a big game against the Bengals, I'm less concerned about the NT position (assuming Wade stays). Shaun Cody has been playing well all year too. I think WR and OL are the way to go in the 1st and 2nd rounds. If Mario leaves in free agency, then I think we need to go OLB in the 3rd or 4th to get some more depth there.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-09-2012, 05:16 PM
I've seen his stock sliding according to general opinion but I just don't see it. Still think he is a top 15 pick & Floyd probably 15-20 range.

Thank you for info BL. I would like to see many WR prospects available as possible for 2012 draft. After watching this year's games, I feel we are really in need to find #2 WR to solidified our O. I was thinking to fill this position by FA but, it may be too expensive to go this route. At the beginning of this year, I wanted NT more than anything but, seems to me we are good with Cody and Mitchell for now.

Right now, my priority by position will be WR, OG, ILB. To me, after AJ, #2,#3, and #4 are up for grabs next year and would like to see very competitive position battle. I don't know how we are going to keep our 2012 FAs but assuming we kept Dreessen at TE, we may be able to put Casey at Walter's position and save money. I like Walter and all but I feel Casey may able to replace him. I am also looking forward to seeing what Maehl and Jean can offer us next year. As you can tell, my head is spinning and more I think about our WR position, one thing is clear that we are in need of #2 WR. I don't know if I am seeing things right but this is how I see our WR position at the moment.

Go Texans!!!

beerlover
01-10-2012, 07:11 AM
Thank you for info BL. I would like to see many WR prospects available as possible for 2012 draft. After watching this year's games, I feel we are really in need to find #2 WR to solidified our O. I was thinking to fill this position by FA but, it may be too expensive to go this route. At the beginning of this year, I wanted NT more than anything but, seems to me we are good with Cody and Mitchell for now.

Right now, my priority by position will be WR, OG, ILB. To me, after AJ, #2,#3, and #4 are up for grabs next year and would like to see very competitive position battle. I don't know how we are going to keep our 2012 FAs but assuming we kept Dreessen at TE, we may be able to put Casey at Walter's position and save money. I like Walter and all but I feel Casey may able to replace him. I am also looking forward to seeing what Maehl and Jean can offer us next year. As you can tell, my head is spinning and more I think about our WR position, one thing is clear that we are in need of #2 WR. I don't know if I am seeing things right but this is how I see our WR position at the moment.

Go Texans!!!

A combination of Kendall Wright in first & Jeff Fuller third would cover Texan need like a blanket.

Dutchrudder
01-10-2012, 09:54 AM
A combination of Kendall Wright in first & Jeff Fuller third would cover Texan need like a blanket.

That would be great, but I think the Browns are going to get RG3 and Wright with their 1st round picks... :)

beerlover
01-10-2012, 12:29 PM
That would be great, but I think the Browns are going to get RG3 and Wright with their 1st round picks... :)

Plus they selected Phil Taylor last year, he turned out to be pretty good, maybe change names to the Baylor Browns :barman:

Dutchrudder
01-10-2012, 01:04 PM
Plus they selected Phil Taylor last year, he turned out to be pretty good, maybe change names to the Baylor Browns :barman:

I'd be OK with that if it helped them win. :)

The Browns HC is an offensive guy, so I expect them to spend a lot of picks fixing things on offense. RG3, KW, and a new RG/RT in the first two rounds would be stellar. The start to a perfect draft for the Browns would be RG3 (without trading up), Wright/Jeffrey/Floyd in the 1st, and Zebrie Sanders or Mike Adams in the 2nd, and Kevin Zeitler or Nate Potter in the 3rd. The two 4ths could be spent on a RB like Cyrus Grey (replace Hillis) and LB like Keenan Robinson (improve pass rush). Every one of those guys would likely be in the starting lineup next year, which says a lot about the Browns current roster...

beerlover
01-10-2012, 01:36 PM
I'd be OK with that if it helped them win. :)

The Browns HC is an offensive guy, so I expect them to spend a lot of picks fixing things on offense. RG3, KW, and a new RG/RT in the first two rounds would be stellar. The start to a perfect draft for the Browns would be RG3 (without trading up), Wright/Jeffrey/Floyd in the 1st, and Zebrie Sanders or Mike Adams in the 2nd, and Kevin Zeitler or Nate Potter in the 3rd. The two 4ths could be spent on a RB like Cyrus Grey (replace Hillis) and LB like Keenan Robinson (improve pass rush). Every one of those guys would likely be in the starting lineup next year, which says a lot about the Browns current roster...

Sounds like your Brown GM material in this years group mock draft?

Dutchrudder
01-10-2012, 01:41 PM
Sounds like your Brown GM material in this years group mock draft?

I did it last year, so I would be happy to have them again. I grew up in the Cleveland area, so the Browns are the only other team I actively follow. Texans/Browns was also the only game I attended in person this year, but I rooted for the Texans and wore my Watt jersey :)

steelbtexan
01-10-2012, 09:52 PM
I've been keeping up with the Cowgirls and Chiefs.

Drafting for them would be easier than any other teams for me. Dibs LOL

Dutch I really like your plan for the Browns.

aussie_texan
01-11-2012, 05:59 AM
Just updated:

Round 1: Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
Round 2: Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama
Round 3: Robert Lester, S, Alabama
Round 4: Trevor Guyton, DE/DT, California

unsure over the safety pick. again he uses the point of quinn not playing well which i disagree.

pretty happy with the other picks though

Rey
01-11-2012, 08:44 AM
Quinn has made some plays, no doubt....

But we should have someone challenging him for his position because we can get better there...No one we currently have is going to even challenge him for playing time, and if you're not a pro bowler or an all pro that's not how it should be...

GQ has been pretty good overall, but he has not been phenomenal....There I said it...

It's not a "must replace him situation", but some competition back there would help...

Wolf6151
01-11-2012, 02:12 PM
Just updated:

Round 1: Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
Round 2: Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama
Round 3: Robert Lester, S, Alabama
Round 4: Trevor Guyton, DE/DT, California

unsure over the safety pick. again he uses the point of quinn not playing well which i disagree.

pretty happy with the other picks though

If this were how our draft went down, I'd be happy. I'd like an O-lineman in their but those first 3 picks are pretty good ones.

Insideop
01-11-2012, 03:50 PM
Just updated:

Round 1: Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
Round 2: Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama
Round 3: Robert Lester, S, Alabama
Round 4: Trevor Guyton, DE/DT, California

unsure over the safety pick. again he uses the point of quinn not playing well which i disagree.

pretty happy with the other picks though


Considering how they have Jeffery rated a top 20 pick and then have the Texans picking him at #27, I'd be very happy with the draft if it fell this way. I just don't think Jeffery will last that long unless he has a bad Combine or something else comes out about him to make his stock fall.

As for the whole "Quinn experiment not working" thing, I'm not sure what Walter is seeing, but I don't think he is seeing the complete picture. Quinn has been a good SS for us this year and it's only his 1st year at the position. Will he ever get a lot of picks during a season? Probably not. Should we draft someone to give him competition and add depth to the team? Yes!

aussie_texan
01-11-2012, 07:01 PM
Quinn has made some plays, no doubt....

But we should have someone challenging him for his position because we can get better there...No one we currently have is going to even challenge him for playing time, and if you're not a pro bowler or an all pro that's not how it should be...

GQ has been pretty good overall, but he has not been phenomenal....There I said it...

It's not a "must replace him situation", but some competition back there would help...

what about Nolan once he returns from injury and demps hasn't been bad this year. considering we have other needs like o-line which he didn't address in the first 4 picks i think we can pass on safety this year. unless someone big drops like barron to the late 2nd (which is VERY doubtful)

Wolf6151
01-18-2012, 03:21 AM
Walter updated his mock draft 1-18 and made one change to the Texans picks.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Tommy Streeter-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

Walter previously had Robert Lester-FS going to us in the 3rd round. I like the new pick Tommy Streeter better. Streeter is young and raw but has tons of potential. He's tall, fast, great hands, very athletic, etc... he's got it all but only has 1 year of experience starting at Miami. He'd probably be 4th on the depth chart for us but I think he's worth the investment. He could be a stud WR in a couple years.

Rey
01-18-2012, 09:18 AM
what about Nolan once he returns from injury and demps hasn't been bad this year. considering we have other needs like o-line which he didn't address in the first 4 picks i think we can pass on safety this year. unless someone big drops like barron to the late 2nd (which is VERY doubtful)

Like I said...

No one on the team is even going to challenge him for his position.

This draft should mostly be about value as we have the least amount of holes that we've ever had.

Therefore, if a safety falls to us in round whatever and we have them rated much higher than everyone else on the board...we should take them. I wouldn't avoid any position.

Dutchrudder
01-18-2012, 09:20 AM
Walter updated his mock draft 1-18 and made one change to the Texans picks.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Tommy Streeter-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

Walter previously had Robert Lester-FS going to us in the 3rd round. I like the new pick Tommy Streeter better. Streeter is young and raw but has tons of potential. He's tall, fast, great hands, very athletic, etc... he's got it all but only has 1 year of experience starting at Miami. He'd probably be 4th on the depth chart for us but I think he's worth the investment. He could be a stud WR in a couple years.

I don't see the point of spending a 1st and 3rd on WRs. If we got Jeffery, I would prefer to address other needs in the 3rd and pickup a late round WR/PR/KR in the 5/6/7th. Get a LB in 3rd instead, we need some more depth there.

steelbtexan
01-18-2012, 09:27 AM
Walter updated his mock draft 1-18 and made one change to the Texans picks.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Tommy Streeter-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

Walter previously had Robert Lester-FS going to us in the 3rd round. I like the new pick Tommy Streeter better. Streeter is young and raw but has tons of potential. He's tall, fast, great hands, very athletic, etc... he's got it all but only has 1 year of experience starting at Miami. He'd probably be 4th on the depth chart for us but I think he's worth the investment. He could be a stud WR in a couple years.

I would be estatic with this draft.

Jeffery and Chapman are 10 yr starters in the NFL. Streeter has the ability to be better than Jeffery. Guyton should fit in well with Wades defense.

Wolf6151
01-18-2012, 03:44 PM
I don't see the point of spending a 1st and 3rd on WRs. If we got Jeffery, I would prefer to address other needs in the 3rd and pickup a late round WR/PR/KR in the 5/6/7th. Get a LB in 3rd instead, we need some more depth there.

I think Walters point is that we'd have the WR position solidified for years to come with great talent and depth. Streeter has great potential and all the ability to be a #1 in the NFL he just lacks the playing time. He's raw and will need some development but the investment is well worth the risk if you can get him in the 3rd, he'd be great value. Personally I don't think he's still available, I think he goes in the 2nd round based on his Combine and potential. I also think that AJ will have some say so in this decision. He goes back to Miami during the offseason and works out at the "U". I'm sure he knows Streeter and the Texans would be foolish not to at least ask his opinion of Streeter. Streeter could learn from the best.

Wolf6151
01-25-2012, 05:45 AM
Walter updated his mock again on 01-25-12.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Stephen Hill-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

The only change is Stephen Hill-WR from Georgia Tech instead of Tommy Streeter. Anyone know anything about Stephen Hill? Anyone think it's possible that we take 2 WR's in the first 3 rounds?

otisbean
01-25-2012, 06:14 AM
Walter updated his mock again on 01-25-12.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Stephen Hill-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

The only change is Stephen Hill-WR from Georgia Tech instead of Tommy Streeter. Anyone know anything about Stephen Hill? Anyone think it's possible that we take 2 WR's in the first 3 rounds?

I remember seeing a quote about Stephen Hill saying the way to find diamonds in the rough at the WR position was to look for WRs from running teams and teams with bad QB play in college. They can typically run block very well (which is important for us) and are use to catching bad passes. Here's the link: http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1_17-32.asp They have us taking him in rd 1 - HIGHLY doubt that but he might be worth a look in rd 3

I definitely could see 2 WRs in the first 4 rounds if the value is good. Personally, I think our draft may look more like WR, OG, BPA, BPA ect...

On a side note, Baylor has a wide body NT, Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, that performed very well during the Shriner game practice week. Supposedly very tough to block. Could be had in a later rd

mussop
01-25-2012, 01:54 PM
I remember seeing a quote about Stephen Hill saying the way to find diamonds in the rough at the WR position was to look for WRs from running teams and teams with bad QB play in college. They can typically run block very well (which is important for us) and are use to catching bad passes. Here's the link: http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1_17-32.asp They have us taking him in rd 1 - HIGHLY doubt that but he might be worth a look in rd 3

I definitely could see 2 WRs in the first 4 rounds if the value is good. Personally, I think our draft may look more like WR, OG, BPA, BPA ect...

On a side note, Baylor has a wide body NT, Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, that performed very well during the Shriner game practice week. Supposedly very tough to block. Could be had in a later rd

Jarrett Boykin WR 33 Virginia Tech

steelbtexan
01-25-2012, 02:44 PM
Walter updated his mock again on 01-25-12.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Stephen Hill-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

The only change is Stephen Hill-WR from Georgia Tech instead of Tommy Streeter. Anyone know anything about Stephen Hill? Anyone think it's possible that we take 2 WR's in the first 3 rounds?

I like it, except give me Kaddu instead of Guyton.

I not only think that it's possible.

If I were making the call it would happen in the 3/4th rd. Hill is a Big WR who was the Georgia state sprint champion in high school.

Playoffs
01-25-2012, 03:30 PM
I don't know how you pass on a guy with a name like,

Vontaze Burfict

Guaranteed to be a star with that name!

ArlingtonTexan
01-25-2012, 04:19 PM
Walter updated his mock again on 01-25-12.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Stephen Hill-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

The only change is Stephen Hill-WR from Georgia Tech instead of Tommy Streeter. Anyone know anything about Stephen Hill? Anyone think it's possible that we take 2 WR's in the first 3 rounds?

Hill is another very big WR who looks to have good straighline speed. Hands and route running are in question. Thought hw was a later round developmental type than a 3rd rounder.

TimeKiller
01-25-2012, 05:08 PM
I remember seeing a quote about Stephen Hill saying the way to find diamonds in the rough at the WR position was to look for WRs from running teams and teams with bad QB play in college. They can typically run block very well (which is important for us) and are use to catching bad passes. Here's the link: http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1_17-32.asp They have us taking him in rd 1 - HIGHLY doubt that but he might be worth a look in rd 3

I definitely could see 2 WRs in the first 4 rounds if the value is good. Personally, I think our draft may look more like WR, OG, BPA, BPA ect...

On a side note, Baylor has a wide body NT, Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, that performed very well during the Shriner game practice week. Supposedly very tough to block. Could be had in a later rd

I picked him I think in the 5th of my last mock. He's listed with like a 5.0 40 yard dash as a 320 pound guy. That's disgusting. I think he probably gets looked at by a lot of teams, not just the Texans

I'd rather have Streeter as far as Walter's mock goes. He seems like a very, very athletic...very, very raw talent. Like a mega Jacoby Jones, bigger, possibly faster...I've only seen one highlight reel of him and it wasn't impressive but the physical assets are interesting.

aussie_texan
01-26-2012, 01:53 AM
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012hou.php

check out this! givens an in-depth look into the texans and what they need to do over the off-season.

nothing we didnt know already though

ObsiWan
01-28-2012, 08:02 AM
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012hou.php

check out this! givens an in-depth look into the texans and what they need to do over the off-season.

nothing we didnt know already though

Rackers is a "four star" kicker?
who knew...?
Neil Rackers, K, Texans. Age: 36. http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/star.gifhttp://walterfootball.com/images/fball/star.gifhttp://walterfootball.com/images/fball/star.gifhttp://walterfootball.com/images/fball/star.gif
Neil Rackers' field-goal percentages over the past four years: 89.3, 94.1, 90.0 and 84.2. He's 7-of-9 from 50-plus in the previous two seasons. Only his age (36) is a concern.

Thanks for the link though...
Interesting stuff

WolverineFan
01-28-2012, 08:53 AM
Walter updated his mock again on 01-25-12.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Stephen Hill-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

The only change is Stephen Hill-WR from Georgia Tech instead of Tommy Streeter. Anyone know anything about Stephen Hill? Anyone think it's possible that we take 2 WR's in the first 3 rounds?

Hill is basically a less talented Demaryius Thomas. I would prefer a guy like Streeter, but to be honest I don't think we need 2 WR's in the first 4 rounds.

Wolf6151
02-01-2012, 06:44 PM
Walter has another update as of 02-01-12.

1. Peter Knoz-C
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Tommy Streeter-WR
4. Marvin McNutt-WR

Looks pretty good to me but I have my doubts that Streeter and McNutt fall this far.

Brandon420tx
02-01-2012, 07:08 PM
I've been moving away from walters site as it pertains to draft analysis.
Also, in his latest draft, he doesn't think Dwight Jones is worth a pick in the first 4 rounds (I know he forgot about him, but I thought it was funny)

thunderkyss
02-01-2012, 08:15 PM
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012hou.php

check out this! givens an in-depth look into the texans and what they need to do over the off-season.

nothing we didnt know already though

Nose Tackle: This is the only weakness in Houston's front seven. The team needs a new nose tackle. Players who fit Wade Phillips' scheme possibly available in the second round are Josh Chapman and Brandon Thompson. The Texans also need defensive end depth, but acquiring a new nose tackle will allow Earl Mitchell to move outside.

I still do not understand this. We were the #2 ranked defense, #3 against the pass, #4 against the run.... Wade repeatedly says he doesn't need a big guy to play the nose. Wade says his NT will play the 1 gap... will be a penetrator.

Wolf6151
02-01-2012, 10:46 PM
I've been moving away from walters site as it pertains to draft analysis.
Also, in his latest draft, he doesn't think Dwight Jones is worth a pick in the first 4 rounds (I know he forgot about him, but I thought it was funny)

He's got Dwight Jones going #122 in the 4th round to New Orleans, one pick after we take Marvin McNutt at #121.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-02-2012, 06:53 AM
He's got Dwight Jones going #122 in the 4th round to New Orleans, one pick after we take Marvin McNutt at #121.

He Mc be Nutts!! Sorry, I had to go there.

steelbtexan
02-02-2012, 10:11 AM
I still do not understand this. We were the #2 ranked defense, #3 against the pass, #4 against the run.... Wade repeatedly says he doesn't need a big guy to play the nose. Wade says his NT will play the 1 gap... will be a penetrator.

Sounds like the Texans will be drafting Mike Martin in rd 3/4.

badboy
02-02-2012, 10:37 PM
He's got Dwight Jones going #122 in the 4th round to New Orleans, one pick after we take Marvin McNutt at #121.If only either of those two fall that far, I'd take either, in fact probably try to trade back up into 4th to take both. I have them in 2nd.

aussie_texan
02-03-2012, 07:26 AM
If only either of those two fall that far, I'd take either, in fact probably try to trade back up into 4th to take both. I have them in 2nd.

someone has to fall and it could be these guys.

I'm now hoping broyles slips down to the 4th because i see him as our future slot receiver. imo his a slightly bigger wright with slightly less speed but still very quick

badboy
02-04-2012, 12:08 PM
someone has to fall and it could be these guys.

I'm now hoping broyles slips down to the 4th because i see him as our future slot receiver. imo his a slightly bigger wright with slightly less speed but still very quickJones and McNutt are solid second round selections and Broyles due to injury recovery time may fall to fourth. Players will not fall more than one round unless combine failure with few exceptions. For example if WR Jordan White moved into the second round all players below him just move down one spot.

thunderkyss
02-04-2012, 12:42 PM
Jones and McNutt are solid second round selections and Broyles due to injury recovery time may fall to fourth. Players will not fall more than one round unless combine failure with few exceptions. For example if WR Jordan White moved into the second round all players below him just move down one spot.

Talent wise, how do you think these guys stack up against guys like Lestar Jean & Jeff Maehl?

badboy
02-04-2012, 01:01 PM
Talent wise, how do you think these guys stack up against guys like Lestar Jean & Jeff Maehl?I just have not seen enough of Maehl or Jean although both seem to have enough to stick on roster or PS. I 've just seen more of this draft's WRs than these two.

Naiirb
02-08-2012, 03:59 PM
New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

Insideop
02-08-2012, 04:36 PM
New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

Have to agree about Floyd. Don't think the Texans will touch him even though he may be better than Jeffery, Sanu, and Wright. And I doubt they go WR in the first 2 rounds also. They've been having the Texans pick Chapman in the 2nd round for quite awhile now so I'm wondering what has made his stock fall. I know he had an injury (knee I think) during the season that he played through. Did he have surgery since the bowl game?

Insideop
02-08-2012, 04:37 PM
New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

Have to agree about Floyd. Don't think the Texans will touch him even though he may be better than Jeffery, Sanu, and Wright. And I doubt they go WR in the first 2 rounds also. They've been having the Texans pick Chapman in the 2nd round for quite awhile now so I'm wondering what has made his stock fall. I know he had an injury (knee I think) during the season that he played through. Did he have surgery since the bowl game?

aussie_texan
02-08-2012, 06:10 PM
New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

If we got floyd i will be ecstatic. easily my favourite player in the draft. but just havnt talked about him to much because i thought he would be out of reach and still do.

and i don't think houston will pass on him. his a team player with a couple of DUI no real big issue. his cleaned up his image this year a lot so i think houston would take him.

Dutchrudder
02-08-2012, 07:26 PM
New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

Floyd would be the ideal pick, as I think he's the second best WR in the draft, but I don't see him getting past the Browns @ 22. There are plenty of teams from 10-22 that would like to snatch up good WRs. Toon's kinda meh to me. He just doesn't strike me as a second round talent, although this is the later part of the round. Plus he was in the Big 10, and that was probably the worst big conference last year. I'd rather go o-line here. His teammate Zeitler would be ideal.

Chapman in the 3rd is also nice as he was mocked quite a bit as our 2nd round pick. Dunno what made him fall in Walter's eyes over the last couple weeks. I like the Guyton pick too, as we do need some DE depth.

b0ng
02-08-2012, 08:03 PM
New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

Is it sad that I would rather the Texans pick up guys with weed charges than guys with DUI's? Seems like the weed guys fall far in the draft and then overperform a lot of the time.

badboy
02-08-2012, 09:23 PM
Floyd would be the ideal pick, as I think he's the second best WR in the draft, but I don't see him getting past the Browns @ 22. There are plenty of teams from 10-22 that would like to snatch up good WRs. Toon's kinda meh to me. He just doesn't strike me as a second round talent, although this is the later part of the round. Plus he was in the Big 10, and that was probably the worst big conference last year. I'd rather go o-line here. His teammate Zeitler would be ideal.

Chapman in the 3rd is also nice as he was mocked quite a bit as our 2nd round pick. Dunno what made him fall in Walter's eyes over the last couple weeks. I like the Guyton pick too, as we do need some DE depth.Agree on all points. Floyd #2 WR but three alcohol issues hard to over look for Texans. If he can prove sobriety AND a support system, maybe. My current personal mock is Wright, Zeitler and Chapman. I think Chapman's ACL was reason he dropped but was reason I now mock him in 3rd as unaware until injury brought out after his season. Ok With Guyton but I like Wolfe better and is my 4th with Jordan White in 5th.

Dutchrudder
02-08-2012, 09:48 PM
Agree on all points. Floyd #2 WR but three alcohol issues hard to over look for Texans. If he can prove sobriety AND a support system, maybe. My current personal mock is Wright, Zeitler and Chapman. I think Chapman's ACL was reason he dropped but was reason I now mock him in 3rd as unaware until injury brought out after his season. Ok With Guyton but I like Wolfe better and is my 4th with Jordan White in 5th.

Chapman tore his ACL? When did this happen??

badboy
02-08-2012, 09:54 PM
Chapman tore his ACL? When did this happen??It was posted in one of the threads (mock or NFl forum I think). It stood out to me as he continued to play on it allegedly and I have done battle with many on MB all season as I did not see Chapman being as good as they did. He had little lateral movement and almost no drive into line if blocked. ANd I focused on him all season wanting to see what I was missing. Now how he played on that type of injury is a mystery. I 'll see if I can link but going to bed soon.

badboy
02-08-2012, 09:59 PM
Chapman tore his ACL? When did this happen??
Here you go: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/01/josh_chapman_played_most_of_20.html

missed the Georgia Southern game to rest his injured knee
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/chapman_josh00.html

Insideop
02-22-2012, 12:54 AM
Walter updated again 2/22/12. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=walterfootball.com&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDUQjBAwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwalterfootball.com%2Fdraft2012.ph p&ei=jI5ET9f7GYi0sQKY0YHDDw&usg=AFQjCNEhsVlu5WmVeTBfBlePXKEUTYkxPA&cad=rja

They have the Texans taking:
1. Alshon Jeffrey, WR, South Carolina
2. Joe Adams, WR/KR, Arkansas
3. Billy Winn, DE/DT, Boise St
4. Josh Kaddu, DE/OLB, Oregon

Not sure I would be happy with the Jeffrey pick. I guess it'll depend on what he does at the Combine. The rest are OK but I don't like getting back to back WR in the 1st and 2nd. If they get one in the 1st I hope they wait until the 4th or 5th to get another one. I'd rather go after a NT or LB in the 2nd.

beerlover
02-22-2012, 01:47 AM
Jeffery is dominant @ times. In the NFL this translates into a specialist. Will draw double teams away from Andre in compressed situations, 3rd & long, red-zone targets that kind of thing. I'm not convinced he is full time starter material? I think he will be successful with more pieces around him & shows the discipline & work ethic to improve. He reminds me a lot of Plaxico Burress but thicker. Plex ran 4.59 @ his combine, expect something similar from AJ.

Nothing new you ask yourself? Apparently not, pulled this from an old clip circa 2000 & this is what was said about him "As long as Burress has been draft-eligible--and probably longer--whispers have echoed about his undeveloped work ethic. Some scouts see a receiver with the ability to dominate his position but who doesn't seem to show up for every game, let alone every play.

"He has the tools," says one scouting consultant who asked for anonymity. "The problem is his concentration."

So there it is. The Question will be how well does this coaching staff reach out to him & squeeze out every ounce of his talent? We will not know what goes on behind close doors/workouts, but my guess is if he meets or exceeds the Texans requirements & he has a great interview with them, if available? I would have no problem with the pick nor would the draft world in general.

Throw in Joe Adams, there is the other guy to surround him with. A deep threat to be reckoned with. I've almost convinced myself to take Adams if the Jeffery/Wright/Floyd are all off the board #26.... this is also my mock draft pick for the Texans in the 2nd rd.

Very disappointed in Billy Winn @ the Senior Bowl. He doesn't look ready to compete at the next level. Liked him in games but maybe it was just the system & level of competition faced? In the Senior Bowl he was pushed aside, abused & anything else you can think of. Give me LaMichael James, RB, Oregon (looking at their list) he would be our new kick-off & punt returner, plus might prove a valuable 3rd down option out of the backfield as well straight up RB depth since Texans need to clear cap space (Ward is a FA).

Josh Kaddu is an interesting prospect. Good speed would be a back-up OLB & special teams player. Great work ethic, high motor, fits club just gets after it. Personally I would make a change again & target Nate Potter, OT/LG Boise State. Actually already mocked him in earlier edition to Texans in the 3rd rd. So 4th would be plus value in my view instead of reaching, he could kick inside to LG seems like his natural fit, ZBS type of OL not big but fast, smart & competitive.

Corrosion
02-22-2012, 01:23 PM
Jeffery is dominant @ times. In the NFL this translates into a specialist. Will draw double teams away from Andre in compressed situations, 3rd & long, red-zone targets that kind of thing.

This is why A.Jeffery would be my pick if he were still on the board @ 26.
The Texans dont have a problem moving the ball between the 20's , its those redzone possessions ending in FG's that are the problem and I think Jeffery solves many of those issues when coupled with AJ , OD and Walter.

I want one of Jeffery or Floyd @ 26 or Randel in the second .... pre combine.


Interested to see how Dwight Jones (North Carolina) & Brian Quick (Appalachian St.) run at the combine ..... as they could likely be had in the later rounds and fulfill that same role in compressed situations.

Rey
02-22-2012, 04:54 PM
This is why A.Jeffery would be my pick if he were still on the board @ 26.
The Texans dont have a problem moving the ball between the 20's , its those redzone possessions ending in FG's that are the problem and I think Jeffery solves many of those issues when coupled with AJ , OD and Walter.

I want one of Jeffery or Floyd @ 26 or Randel in the second .... pre combine.


Interested to see how Dwight Jones (North Carolina) & Brian Quick (Appalachian St.) run at the combine ..... as they could likely be had in the later rounds and fulfill that same role in compressed situations.

The problem with the Red Zone passing has been the QB's IMHO.

We have big receivers. We have guys good at getting into the holes in Zones. KW is a good box out catcher that is good in short yardage. OD, Dreesen....Of course AJ...Jacoby is a screw up, but he can make plays from time to time...

When the field gets shorter the QB has to be able to put the ball into tight spaces consistently and as much as I like Matt that has been my biggest concern about his game. Screw any other short coming he may have...He is not a good red zone passer.

When we score in the Red Zone it is mostly Arian Foster.

As far as taking Alshon at 26...I'd be thrilled about that. I think he has the potential to be a beast, but my only concern is his development. How will he handle being a pro.

If they went with Randle I'd be excited as well. I'd be ok with Sanu. Really there isn't a guy that I'd be pissed about. WR or otherwise.

Doppelganger
02-22-2012, 05:18 PM
Jeffery is dominant @ times. In the NFL this translates into a specialist. Will draw double teams away from Andre in compressed situations, 3rd & long, red-zone targets that kind of thing. I'm not convinced he is full time starter material? I think he will be successful with more pieces around him & shows the discipline & work ethic to improve. He reminds me a lot of Plaxico Burress but thicker. Plex ran 4.59 @ his combine, expect something similar from AJ.

Nothing new you ask yourself? Apparently not, pulled this from an old clip circa 2000 & this is what was said about him "As long as Burress has been draft-eligible--and probably longer--whispers have echoed about his undeveloped work ethic. Some scouts see a receiver with the ability to dominate his position but who doesn't seem to show up for every game, let alone every play.

I think the main issue for Jeffrey will be weight and speed. There are rumors the man has ballooned up into the 250lb range. And that was not doing the buffet circuit, that was prior to his senior year. If he really is around 250lbs and puts up an iffy 40 time, I want no part of him. At the NFL level the successful guys aren't the ones with the most talent, but the guys who put in the work off the field becuase they LOVE the game. The NFL combine is a job interview. Showing up out of shape tells me that he doesn't LOVE the game.

My favorite example is Zach Taylor. Coming out of college he was an undersized LB with decent talent. But he put in the time off the field and ate, drank, and slept football. He ended up being an 8 time probowler and likely Hall of Famer. THAT's the guy I want, not some guy who couldn't be bothered to show up in game shape ready to go.

SteveSlaton20
02-22-2012, 11:39 PM
I would love Alshon at 26. Honestly, I think he would be a steal if we got him there. He's got balls skills you can't teach(no puns intended), and would take away double teams from AJ. Joe Adams would make it even more awesome, would be a great slot receiver and would replace JJ for good, at least at PR. He could change the slot receiver with KW tho, and I think KW will be at his normal postiton, and is probably a better blocker.

SteveSlaton20
02-22-2012, 11:43 PM
I think the main issue for Jeffrey will be weight and speed. There are rumors the man has ballooned up into the 250lb range. And that was not doing the buffet circuit, that was prior to his senior year. If he really is around 250lbs and puts up an iffy 40 time, I want no part of him. At the NFL level the successful guys aren't the ones with the most talent, but the guys who put in the work off the field becuase they LOVE the game. The NFL combine is a job interview. Showing up out of shape tells me that he doesn't LOVE the game.

My favorite example is Zach Taylor. Coming out of college he was an undersized LB with decent talent. But he put in the time off the field and ate, drank, and slept football. He ended up being an 8 time probowler and likely Hall of Famer. THAT's the guy I want, not some guy who couldn't be bothered to show up in game shape ready to go.

Alshon is now apparently down to around 217-220
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7441/alshon-jeffery

There are rumors that Jeffery's agent spread the rumor that he was close to 250 so he could shock people at the combine

Maddict5
02-23-2012, 04:13 AM
Alshon is now apparently down to around 217-220
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7441/alshon-jeffery

There are rumors that Jeffery's agent spread the rumor that he was close to 250 so he could shock people at the combine

then he has a ****ty agent...

ppl will still see the way he supposedly let himself go as a much bigger negative than showing up in shape when theres money on the line

i dont think we should draft him... because of his name. ppl will shorten it to aj also..

it will be another JJ (watt/joseph/jacoby) mess all over again and i wont stand for it goddammit!

Playoffs
02-23-2012, 07:56 AM
I love that Cinncinnati is always projected to take a guy with an arrest record. :lol:



then he has a ****ty agent...

ppl will still see the way he supposedly let himself go as a much bigger negative than showing up in shape when theres money on the line.
Exactly.

Doppelganger
02-23-2012, 06:27 PM
Alshon is now apparently down to around 217-220
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7441/alshon-jeffery

There are rumors that Jeffery's agent spread the rumor that he was close to 250 so he could shock people at the combine


then he has a ****ty agent...

ppl will still see the way he supposedly let himself go as a much bigger negative than showing up in shape when theres money on the line

Agreed. The other issue to consider is he had a pretty poor Senior year at South Carolina. Prior to this season he was talked about as a rival to Justin Blackmon as the first WR to be taken in the draft. Then he had a poor senior season. Was it weight related, poor work ethic, poor QB? A lot of questions.

Here is a picture of him at South Carolina's Senior Day. Still looks like he has some excess weight around the stomach.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/jgrigs/alshon.jpg

SteveSlaton20
02-24-2012, 02:13 PM
He weighed in at 216.