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michaelm
12-13-2011, 11:48 AM
Ok, I've heard some of you speculate that this looks like a classic trap game to you. While I can certainly understand that point of view, I could not possibly disagree more.

December 18, 2011 is going to be the loudest day in the history of Reliant Stadium. The crowd will be absolutely insane.
We have a lot of very young, very hungry, and very fired up players anchoring our defense who are going to feed off the crowd's electricity like piranhas on a side of beef.

I think this game is going to be a complete massacre, honestly.

I see us beating the Panthers by 14 points or more.
I like what Cam Newton can do both with his arm, and his legs, but he's never faced anything like he will see Sunday. He's never seen a defense like this, and he's never been in a stadium that will be out of control like Reliant will be.

This is gonna be fun.

JWarren14
12-13-2011, 11:58 AM
Cam Newton is a beast, but their D is too weak. We will run the ball, kill on time of possession, our D will make stops and we'll win.

The only thing I hope for is no more injuries.

I can see this a let down game though too, we do have something to play for to lock up homefield throughout, but after clinching the South and never having been in this position I could see some sloppy play.

Carolina was leading Atlanta for 3 Quarters, they aren't on the Colts level.

Goatcheese
12-13-2011, 12:01 PM
I'm sorry, but I can't talk panthers over the sound of how awesome this is!

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/dec-11-texans-vs-bengals/texans9.jpg

I kid.

The Panthers are terrible on defense and I don't think they have the horses up front to slow down the running attack. They shouldn't have any trouble running clock and building a respectable lead.

As far as how Wade will handle Cam, here is an excerpt from a recent interview:

Reporter: Who are you going to bring on the blitz against rookie phenom Cam Newton?
Wade: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB_deAcoC2I

Rey
12-13-2011, 12:02 PM
I'd like to see a nice lead and have Delhomme get some snaps against his former team.

michaelm
12-13-2011, 12:03 PM
I'm sorry, but I can't talk panthers over the sound of how awesome this is!

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/dec-11-texans-vs-bengals/texans9.jpg

I kid.

The Panthers are terrible on defense and I don't think they have the horses up front to slow down the running attack. They shouldn't have any trouble running clock and building a respectable lead.

As far as how Wade will handle Cam, here is an excerpt from a recent interview:

Reporter: Who are you going to bring on the blitz against rookie phenom Cam Newton?
Wade: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB_deAcoC2I

Bring me everyone. Funny shyte.

MSR...

BigBull17
12-13-2011, 12:09 PM
Cam is very talented, but he makes some very poor decisions at times. I think we will be ok.

infantrycak
12-13-2011, 12:32 PM
I can see this a let down game though too, we do have something to play for to lock up homefield throughout, but after clinching the South and never having been in this position I could see some sloppy play.

Here is where I think it is a good thing the Texans played sloppily the first half against the Bengals. They got their butts chewed and responded in the second half. I'm sure they will be reminded of the 1st half several times this week.

digitalswim
12-13-2011, 12:36 PM
This game is huge in my eyes. Both the Steelers and the Ravens could easily lose their games since they play tough teams. The patriots will likely roll the rest of the way so we need to keep pace. I am still hoping we can get a bye in the playoffs to rest up some of our wounded.

Malloy
12-13-2011, 12:36 PM
We'll chew em!


Yeah, that's me being cocky ;)

If we stop Newton I think we'll win, let us get 3-4 INT's!

The Pencil Neck
12-13-2011, 12:42 PM
The Panthers are a good team with a bad record.

I watched the game against the Falcons yesterday.

In the first half, they were getting to Ryan with their front four. Those guys were playing lights out, disruptive defense. In the second half, they disappeared.

In the first half, Cam Newton was well nigh unstoppable. He was making good throws and a bear to bring down. In the second half, he turned into a rookie.

DeAngelo Williams and J. Stewart are beasts and so is Steve Smith. So you can't sleep on this offense. They're tough. They can break long plays and they can score a lot of points.

So this game worries me. If they play like they played in that first half for the whole game against us, we could easily get blown out.

I expect Reliant to be LOUD, though.

Thorn
12-13-2011, 01:03 PM
Of our last three games, the only one I'm even remotely worried about is the last one. The Titans will sersiously want to stick a pin in our balloon.

The Panthers.....meh..... The Colts I can only laugh at.

DX-TEX
12-13-2011, 01:08 PM
Of our last three games, the only one I'm even remotely worried about is the last one. The Titans will sersiously want to stick a pin in our balloon.

The Panthers.....meh..... The Colts I can only laugh at.

If anything, the way the schedule plays out Week 17 has high potential to be meaningless for us and VERY importnat for the Titans. Then comes the dilema.....sit or play starters?

Thorn
12-13-2011, 01:11 PM
If anything, the way the schedule plays out Week 17 has high potential to be meaningless for us and VERY importnat for the Titans. Then comes the dilema.....sit or play starters?

If the Titans are playing for a playoff spot, it'll be a rough game. But I don't think Yates was going to sit it out anyway. He needs the reps to get ready for the playoffs even if the Titans have given up by then or not.

MistaRed
12-13-2011, 01:12 PM
Classic trap game. If this were the old Texans I'd be worried but kubes & Wade haven't let us down all year.

OzzO
12-13-2011, 01:14 PM
If anything, the way the schedule plays out Week 17 has high potential to be meaningless for us and VERY importnat for the Titans. Then comes the dilema.....sit or play starters?

If the last game ends up meaningless (nothing to gain or lose) then the starters rest most of the game I'm sure.

I heard Cam has 1 more INT than TD pass for the season, so perhaps having someone to spy on him so he can't run them in....

michaelm
12-13-2011, 01:14 PM
Classic trap game. If this were the old Texans I'd be worried but kubes & Wade haven't let us down all year.

I disagree totally. I don't see how you can have a trap game in an atmosphere like the one we will see this Sunday.

thunderkyss
12-13-2011, 01:25 PM
Ok, I've heard some of you speculate that this looks like a classic trap game to you. While I can certainly understand that point of view, I could not possibly disagree more.

December 18, 2011 is going to be the loudest day in the history of Reliant Stadium. The crowd will be absolutely insane.
We have a lot of very young, very hungry, and very fired up players anchoring our defense who are going to feed off the crowd's electricity like piranhas on a side of beef.

I think this game is going to be a complete massacre, honestly.

I see us beating the Panthers by 14 points or more.
I like what Cam Newton can do both with his arm, and his legs, but he's never faced anything like he will see Sunday. He's never seen a defense like this, and he's never been in a stadium that will be out of control like Reliant will be.

This is gonna be fun.

I've given up on trying to predict how a game will go this year. These are a new breed of Texans & they're just unpredictable.

But what I will say, is that Cam (& yes, it is all about Cam) is at his best when things don't go according to plan. When things break down, he finds a way. & with Steve Smith (a play waiting to happen) lurking deep & their two running backs......

It's going to be a game to remember.

JCTexan
12-13-2011, 01:27 PM
If anything, the way the schedule plays out Week 17 has high potential to be meaningless for us and VERY importnat for the Titans. Then comes the dilema.....sit or play starters?

If Tennessee makes the playoffs in all likelihood they'll be facing Houston in the first round. I've seen plenty of times where you let a team walk into the playoffs in a "meaningless" game for you, only to have them kick your ass when it really matters (NYJ/CIN 2009). I would rather just be done away with them in week 17.

thunderkyss
12-13-2011, 01:30 PM
Here is where I think it is a good thing the Texans played sloppily the first half against the Bengals. They got their butts chewed and responded in the second half. I'm sure they will be reminded of the 1st half several times this week.

Do you know they got their butts chewed?

I heard Kubiak say that he told the team that TJ was playing well & everyone else had to step up & help the kid... but that was all I heard.


Thought it was pretty funny too.

Rey
12-13-2011, 01:45 PM
I think we will wrangle the Panthers. I think they will make some plays, but I think Cam will be held in check...I don't think Smith will have a lot of big plays...I think the offense will roll and we'll come out with a comfortable W...

alphajoker
12-13-2011, 01:54 PM
I'd like to see a nice lead and have Delhomme get some snaps against his former team.

I would love to see our guys take a nice lead but you gotta keep Yates in, IMO. He needs the reps unless, of course, they run it out.

Kthx
12-13-2011, 02:32 PM
I don't see Cam being able or really wanting to try using his feet with the way our LB Core has been decimating runners this year. So hopefully well just make Cam beat us in the air which although he is really good at it I think we can stop him.

El Tejano
12-16-2011, 12:01 PM
One thing I'm concerned about is the fact that their coach was a Wade Phillips disciple on D at San Diego. Seems like he'd know what we are running on Defense right?

thunderkyss
12-16-2011, 12:11 PM
One thing I'm concerned about is the fact that their coach was a Wade Phillips disciple on D at San Diego. Seems like he'd know what we are running on Defense right?

Watching their defense play, I'd assume he didn't take notes.

:kitten:

HOU-TEX
12-16-2011, 12:15 PM
One thing I'm concerned about is the fact that their coach was a Wade Phillips disciple on D at San Diego. Seems like he'd know what we are running on Defense right?

Wade was gone by the time Rivera showed up. Rivera went to SD in 07. Wade went to dallas in 07

I think Rivera might've been a Jim Johnson disciple, may he rest in peace. Great defensive mind

El Tejano
12-16-2011, 12:48 PM
Wade was gone by the time Rivera showed up. Rivera went to SD in 07. Wade went to dallas in 07

I think Rivera might've been a Jim Johnson disciple, may he rest in peace. Great defensive mind

Ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

Norg
12-16-2011, 12:58 PM
TBO i dont think we will be has loud has last time why cause i think some people will be content its the pats and ravens dont lose from here on out the have the 1 and 2 on lock even if we win out ....

sooo but i do think we will be loud i mean we will be super loud for our first playoff game weather that will be in the WC or Div round

eriadoc
12-16-2011, 01:19 PM
Do you know they got their butts chewed?

Kubiak was asked in one of his interviews what adjustments they made at halftime, and he responded with something to the effect saying once he finished yelling at everyone, he and the coaches went in and made some changes.

GuerillaBlack
12-16-2011, 01:48 PM
TBO i dont think we will be has loud has last time why cause i think some people will be content its the pats and ravens dont lose from here on out the have the 1 and 2 on lock even if we win out ....

sooo but i do think we will be loud i mean we will be super loud for our first playoff game weather that will be in the WC or Div round



http://www.thunderpimp.com/pics/sapp.jpg

GlassHalfFull
12-16-2011, 01:54 PM
TBO i dont think we will be has loud has last time why cause i think some people will be content its the pats and ravens dont lose from here on out the have the 1 and 2 on lock even if we win out ....

sooo but i do think we will be loud i mean we will be super loud for our first playoff game weather that will be in the WC or Div round

Johnsonfan, is that you?

For the newbies, time for this thread to get bumped

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40890&highlight=roach

Premier
12-16-2011, 02:04 PM
might be the toughest road crowd cam has faced all season...

HOU-TEX
12-16-2011, 02:06 PM
http://www.thunderpimp.com/pics/sapp.jpg

I literally laughed my ass off when I got down to this after reading good ole norg's post. Still chuckling!

Sapp's a funny dude

+Rep

El Tejano
12-16-2011, 02:32 PM
I literally laughed my ass off when I got down to this after reading good ole norg's post. Still chuckling!

Sapp's a funny dude

+Rep

Even funnier in that Our Family Wedding movie with Carlos Mencia and Forrest Whittaker! MAMA! MAMA!

PHAROAH
12-16-2011, 03:43 PM
I don't like this match up due to the fact that Cam Newton presents all kind of problems with his athleticism and his down field passing with those two tight ends & steve smith can cause problems. Then throw in the 1-2 punch at running back they can score points on anyone they just can't stop anyone so we just have to play smart and attack off the edges and plug up the middle we will be fine just the injuries scare me.

michaelm
12-16-2011, 04:45 PM
I don't like this match up due to the fact that Cam Newton presents all kind of problems with his athleticism and his down field passing with those two tight ends & steve smith can cause problems. Then throw in the 1-2 punch at running back they can score points on anyone they just can't stop anyone so we just have to play smart and attack off the edges and plug up the middle we will be fine just the injuries scare me.

We run the ball like mad, keeping their offense on the bench, and wearing out their defense.
I'm thinking it will be kinda close at the beginning of the 4th, with us ahead something like 17-14. Then I think we score 10 or so points, and put them away 27-14, maybe 27-17.
This game has Yates throwing less than 20 passes written all over it, because I really don't think they'll have an answer for our run game.

texanway
12-16-2011, 04:54 PM
watch out for cam. he will get you at any time!

NastyNate
12-16-2011, 05:01 PM
I don't see Cam being able or really wanting to try using his feet with the way our LB Core has been decimating runners this year. So hopefully well just make Cam beat us in the air which although he is really good at it I think we can stop him.

You really think Cam completely changes his style of play for one game? He is what he is, he'll make some plays with his feet and not think twice about it.

badboy
12-16-2011, 05:14 PM
If the defense doesn't play up emotionally with Wade being out, I'll be surprised.
The Panther's D is just what Yates needs to get his next win.

thunderkyss
12-16-2011, 06:06 PM
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/Jackofalltrades1977/stew2.gif

ObsiWan
12-16-2011, 06:32 PM
I disagree totally. I don't see how you can have a trap game in an atmosphere like the one we will see this Sunday.

You're assuming everyone will be in their seats by kickoff time and not still out in the parking lot tailgating.

I'm not that certain.

CloakNNNdagger
12-16-2011, 07:37 PM
I don't like this match up due to the fact that Cam Newton presents all kind of problems with his athleticism and his down field passing with those two tight ends & steve smith can cause problems. Then throw in the 1-2 punch at running back they can score points on anyone they just can't stop anyone so we just have to play smart and attack off the edges and plug up the middle we will be fine just the injuries scare me.

The Texans have thrived when sending five or more pass-rushers. According to ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/tag/_/name/final-word-afc-2011-week-15) Stats and Information, Houston blitzes on 52.1 percent of drop-backs, second only to New Orleans. They allow a 48.2 completion percentage, only 5.5 yards per attempt, and have recorded 20 of their 24 sacks. Newton has thrown seven touchdowns and three interceptions in such circumstances. But hes also taken 18 sacks, as many as any quarterback in the NFL.

The Panthers are 0-9 this season when Newton commits a turnover. They're 4-0 when Newton doesn't have a turnover

CloakNNNdagger
12-16-2011, 10:28 PM
Some points to ponder.

Panthers Insider: Adjusting for Gross


The Panthers could be forced to make shifts on the offensive line again this week if Jordan Gross isn't back.

Gross missed last week's game with an ankle injury, forcing the team to move Travelle Wharton to left tackle and Mackenzy Bernadeau to fill in at Wharton's spot at left guard.

"We missed Jordan Gross a little bit," coach Ron Rivera said. "I think there is a comfort zone that you get in. We gave up a couple sacks that, maybe, we don't if he had been there. I thought that Travelle Wharton stepped up and played left tackle for us and did a nice job. Mackenzy Bernadeau continues to get better and better every time he gets the opportunity to play."

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Overshadowed in last week's loss to Atlanta was another sterling performance by WR Steve Smith, who caught six passes for 125 yards in becoming the 35th player to reach 10,000 career receiving yards. By the time he was finished, Smith had moved to No. 34 on the all-time list with 10,101 yards.

The game continued an impressive season for Smith, in which he ranks first in the NFC and second in the League with 1,217 receiving yards. Smith's 18.2 yards per catch is fifth in the League and he leads the Panthers in receptions (67), yards (1,217) and is tied for the team lead in touchdown receptions with five.

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In Week 14 vs. Atlanta, QB Cam Newton threw for 276 yards to reach 3,573 passing yards this season, the second-most passing yards by a rookie in NFL history.

This week Newton needs 167 more passing yards to break Peyton Manning's rookie record of 3,739 set in 1998.

The starter in all 13 games, Newton has added 15 touchdowns with 16 interceptions to post an 81.1 quarterback rating. His 3,573 passing yards are the most by a rookie in Panthers history, surpassing the 2,931 yards by Chris Weinke in 2001.

Newton was named NFL Offensive Rookie of the Month for September. In October, Newton threw for 1,381 yards, the most in NFL history by a rookie in any month.

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RB DeAngelo Williams has a knack for the big play.


It bettered Williams' previous long touchdown run of 69 yards, accomplished twice -- most recently vs. New Orleans.

BY THE NUMBERS: 16 -- Cam Newton's interceptions in 2011. Only Tampa Bay's Josh Freeman (18) and San Diego's Philip Rivers (17) have more.


PERSONNEL

General manager Marty Hurney said it's unclear who'll kick extra points and field goals for the Panthers on Sunday against Houston.

The Panthers signed undrafted rookie Adi Kunalic, who attended camp with the team but was cut prior to the regular season, to compete with struggling veteran Olindo Mare.

Kunalic has a live leg but not much experience when it comes to kicking field goals.

K Adi Kunalic was added to the roster to compete with veteran Olindo Mare.

DT Frank Kearse will make his second start at nose tackle after a solid game against Atlanta.

-CB Chris Gamble is quietly having a great season for the Panthers and while he doesn't have the interceptions (three), coach Ron Rivera believes he should make the Pro Bowl.

QB Cam Newton needs only 167 yards passing to break Peyton Manning's all-time rookie record.

CB Darius Butler was held out of practice with concussion-like symptoms.

CB R.J. Stanford could be the team's No. 3 cornerback this week with Darius Butler still having some concussion symptoms after Sunday's loss to Atlanta.


INJURY IMPACT

The Panthers are hoping to get LT Jordan Gross back for this week's game. He missed last week because of an ankle injury, forcing the Panthers to change things up on the offensive line.

LG Travelle Wharton had to swing out to left tackle, while Mackenzy Bernadeau started at left guard. The Panthers felt that was a better alternative than starting rookie Lee Ziemba at left tackle against Ray Edwards.


GAME PLAN: For the better part of three games, the Panthers' offense has been clicking. The exception was the second half of Sunday's loss to Atlanta where they were held scoreless and allowed the Falcons to come back from a 16-point deficit. It will be interesting to see how the Panthers open up against the Texans. Carolina has run for at least 100 yards in 11 straight games and ranks fifth in rushing at 139.1 yards per game.


MATCHUPS TO WATCH:

QB Cam Newton vs. Texans defense -- The Texans have seen some good quarterbacks, but nobody who brings Newton's versatility in terms of running and throwing the football. Look for them to pressure the rookie early and try to take advantage of the crowd noise. This is a game where Newton could put up some good yards on the ground.

Texans RB Arian Foster vs. Panthers front seven -- You would have to think Foster is in line for a pretty good game, particularly if the Texans don't fall behind early. Carolina's front seven is banged up, already have lost four starters to season-ending injuries. If all goes well, Foster could finish this one in the 150-yard range.link (http://www.foxsportscarolinas.com/12/15/11/Panthers-Insider-Adjusting-for-Gross/landing_panthers.html?blockID=627242&feedID=4369)

HJam72
12-17-2011, 01:33 AM
Our offense will look very good this weekend. Our great defense might look average. Pft. No, they won't. They'll hold them under 20 again, LOL. :texflag:

HJam72
12-17-2011, 01:34 AM
The Panthers are 0-9 this season when Newton commits a turnover. They're 4-0 when Newton doesn't have a turnover

Expect a couple turnovers. :)

Oh, and this is why they have a losing record, which isn't going to start turning around in Houston.

thunderkyss
12-17-2011, 07:13 AM
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/Jackofalltrades1977/stew2.gif

Did anyone notice how he tossed #56?

CloakNNNdagger
12-17-2011, 08:30 AM
Did anyone notice how he tossed #56?\

Looks like he was throwing around a little rag doll.

That was the Panthers' RB Johnathan Stewart 5'10" 235 manhandling the Saints' Jo-Lonn Dunbar LB 6-0 226


I wouldn't expect Stewart to show Superman traits against our LB corps. In fact, if he tries, I would more likely expect him to be carried off the field with a hernia.:chef:


Dobbins, Tim LB 6-1 245

Braman, Bryan OLB 6-5 246

Ryans, DeMeco ILB 6-1 247

Cushing, Brian ILB 6-3 248

Nading, Jesse OLB 6-5 261

Barwin, Connor OLB 6-4 264

ObsiWan
12-17-2011, 09:53 AM
Did anyone notice how he tossed #56?

Basic Judo philosophy.... use your opponents momentum against him.
of course, it does help to be strong as hell
:D

Lucky
12-17-2011, 12:25 PM
I think Rivera might've been a Jim Johnson disciple, may he rest in peace. Great defensive mind
And Rivera played for Buddy Ryan in the 46 defense. So, he knows a ton about blitzing from those two masters.

Let me say that Carolina has the makings of a very good team. They've lost some tough games to great teams (Packers and Saints). They've outgained their opponent in 10 of 13 games (as have the Texans). Newton is a force, accounting for over 317 yards per game of total offense. Carolina also has the 2nd best RB tandem in the league. They should be close to a .500 team. Another good test for this amazing Texan defense.

CloakNNNdagger
12-18-2011, 09:21 AM
The Texans defensive brain trust better not only be thinking in terms of GETTING TO Newton, but just as much in terms of CONTAINING Newton. Remember, Newton has accounted for 28 TOUCHDOWNS (15 passing, 13 RUSHING).