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gcolby
04-29-2005, 09:58 AM
Hey, Texans fans!

Now is your chance to vote the Opening Day loss by the Cowboys as their WORST moment in Dallas sports:

I was tempted to pick the Leon Lett Snow Bowl moment, seeing as how I was AT that game, but the chance to make the Texans loss stick was too good to pass up.

By the way, they also bash Rowdy by making him one of their nominees:

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/2005/brainlock/

Vote 'Texans game'!

TEXANS84
04-29-2005, 12:47 PM
God I loved the blue end-zones.

texasguy346
04-29-2005, 12:58 PM
They've also got McGrady posterizing Bradley as one of the most embarrassing moments.

OzzO
04-29-2005, 12:58 PM
God I loved the blue end-zones.

I was gonna say the same thing when I saw the pic. Wish we could make that work again w/o killing off the grass.

Hervoyel
04-29-2005, 01:06 PM
Want the blue endzones back? Don't get me started again!

Field Turf! Field Turf! Field Turf!

Speedy
04-29-2005, 09:25 PM
Want the blue endzones back? Don't get me started again!

Field Turf! Field Turf! Field Turf!
I couldn't agree more. I'll never forget seeing the field for the first time at the open house. That was one pretty field. The grass just ain't gonna work though, unless the buy 10 fields.

Huge
04-30-2005, 02:09 PM
It's Jackie Smith dropping the TD in Super Bowl XIII...no poll needed. The others are trying for (a distant) 2nd place.

YodAa
04-30-2005, 02:11 PM
Why can't we have Blue endzones?

TheOgre
04-30-2005, 05:26 PM
How about the entire 1989 season?

Tailgate
04-30-2005, 09:20 PM
God I loved the blue end-zones.


Thats FUNNY! Its the FIRST thing I thought of looking at the picture... and see what posts followed... hmmm.

ITS THE ICING ON THE CAKE FOR RELIANT STADIUM.

WWJD
04-30-2005, 10:42 PM
It's Jackie Smith dropping the TD in Super Bowl XIII...no poll needed. The others are trying for (a distant) 2nd place.


No doubt. Dropping a wide open sure TD in a SB game is much worse than anything that could happen in a regular season game. Or some ninny prancing around on your logo.

WWJD
05-01-2005, 12:53 PM
Roger Staubach took the blame for Jackie Smith dropping that pass.

He said they never thought he'd get so open and he threw the ball too hard instead of just dropping it in there.

I think Jackie Smith is in the HOF so that hardly defines his career but it seems to be the one everybody remembers.

cuppacoffee
05-01-2005, 02:08 PM
Worst moment in Dallas sports history?

Tom Landry being canned.

I have to agree with this one. The way Jerruh treated the coaching change was a disgrace to the cowboy franchise. I never liked the boys but I respected coach Landry.

thegr8fan
05-01-2005, 02:28 PM
come on now, the most embarresing thing that every happened was when Testaverde stepped up under his GUARD for the ball last season. :shocked

I could understand a pee wee league QB doing that but an NFL QB who had played for that many years? That has to be the all time worst, IMHO, :heh: and it didn't even make the list. :hmmm:

StarStruck
05-01-2005, 03:56 PM
come on now, the most embarresing thing that every happened was when Testaverde stepped up under his GUARD for the ball last season. :shocked

I could understand a pee wee league QB doing that but an NFL QB who had played for that many years? That has to be the all time worst, IMHO, :heh: and it didn't even make the list. :hmmm:

That happened? Which game was that? Oh well, I guess anything can happen on any given Sunday. :hmmm:

thegr8fan
05-01-2005, 04:14 PM
That happened? yep. I'll try and see if a fellow Texan fan I know will post the picture for you. He has it saved. Let me email him and see if he would be so kind. :heh:

infantrycak
05-01-2005, 04:25 PM
yep. I'll try and see if a fellow Texan fan I know will post the picture for you. He has it saved. Let me email him and see if he would be so kind. :heh:

It definitely happened. Heck I am even a Cowboys fan after the Texans and that was a roll on the floor laughing moment. Don't remember which game though.

WWJD
05-01-2005, 04:57 PM
That's not unique to Vinny.

I saw Troy do the same thing in person once back years ago. Pretty funny. :)

I agree about Coach Landry. He was a wonderful person and a fine coach.

TEXANS84
05-01-2005, 05:09 PM
yep. I'll try and see if a fellow Texan fan I know will post the picture for you. He has it saved. Let me email him and see if he would be so kind. :heh:

Here you go gr8, just for you:

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1544/vindope.gif

thegr8fan
05-01-2005, 05:22 PM
thanks 84. I love that picture. :thumbup

StarStruck
05-01-2005, 05:24 PM
It there a still frame? :)

TEXANS84
05-18-2005, 05:16 PM
It there a still frame? :)

Wow, just stumbled across this...it's just as bad:

http://ileet.net/donovan.jpg

DFAN
05-21-2005, 05:13 PM
I think I'm going to watch the 19-10 WIN again tonight. That was an exciting time. :thumbup


You need to. Haven't had to many exciting times.

gcolby
05-22-2005, 07:13 AM
You need to. Haven't had to many exciting times.

Speak for The 'Boys, dude. We've had plenty more exciting times in the past three years than you guys have had. Even then, the majority of exciting times for the Cowboys have unfortunately been Bill Parcells' press conferences.

CoachJim
05-22-2005, 07:53 AM
You need to. Haven't had to many exciting times.

Heres one:
19-10

royce1054
05-22-2005, 08:00 AM
Landry was by far the best coach to ever coach. Canning this guy was horrible. I bet all Cowboys fans around the world are still crying.

WWJD
05-22-2005, 12:56 PM
I had season tickets the last year Coach Landry coached and you'd be surprised at the buzz in the stands over firing him...there were many that said he had lost it and needed to go. That team was horrible. I think they won something like 3 games.

I never wanted him to be fired or even quit and I certainly thought he deserved much better than he got from Jerry Jones although I do understand that Jerry wanted Jimmy and he was going to have Jimmy.

Coach Landry was a fine man. It's a shame he went out the way he did. But you know life isn't fair sometimes. When I think of Coach Landry I never think of all that but rather all the good he did not only for the Cowboys but for the league. And I leave it at that.

gcolby
05-22-2005, 03:56 PM
Shula was forced out of Miami too. It seems like the media love to feed on the 'when will he go' storyline when one of The Legendaries gets on up there in years, and then it only feeds on itself. A dignified retiring is almost out of the question.

Can anyone say 'Joe Pa'? He be next!

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-22-2005, 06:06 PM
19-10

That's all you Texan fans can say about Dallas. 19-10. So what? The team who lost to the Texans was a 5-11 team. It was a disposable season. Big deal, you won 1 regular season game 3 years ago.

Hervoyel
05-22-2005, 06:13 PM
That's all you Texan fans can say about Dallas. 19-10. So what? The team who lost to the Texans was a 5-11 team. It was a disposable season. Big deal, you won 1 regular season game 3 years ago.


Honestly, I tend to agree with the Cowboy fan here. 19-10 was a great way to start 2002 and the team but it was three years ago. When you toss it out as the default answer to every Cowboy fan you run into then you make it a little less significant every time you use it.

Scoreboard is nice but if twenty years from now we're undefeated against the Cowboys but have never finished better than 7-9 then I'm not a happy fan. 19-10 was nice but I'm more interested on what the next (regular season) Texans-Cowboys score will be and whether or not that Texans team will be in the running for a playoff spot.

WWJD
05-22-2005, 08:30 PM
Well I have a bit of a different spin on that game...I think of that game as an embarrassing loss for a poorly coached Cowboys team; a team that didn't seem to have any fire in it at all. I'm speaking as a Cowboys fan. It was humbling to say the least.

I do feel that as a franchise of 40 years or however long the Cowboys have been around that that is ultimately just another game. They have a history if you will while the Texans are just beginning.

As for the Texans fans I certainly understand how they feel...they beat the Cowboys on national TV, it was their first game that mattered and of course being the new kids on the block they are going to remember that game with passion and pride. You can't expect them to feel any differently even 3 years later. It was the game that I think really showed Houston fans they have the start of something very nice here...a very young unproven team came out and did something special for them.

So I understand how it's still a big deal. It's ALWAYS going to be that first game in which the Texans fans and team can look back on with pride. I was embarrassed as a Cowboys fan and after awhile; after you watch a team for years you have games where you just don't see how you could have lost. That's the way I remember that game.

I know I'm in the vast minority because I like both teams but well that's my recollection of that game.

Carr Bombed
05-22-2005, 08:43 PM
Honestly, I tend to agree with the Cowboy fan here. 19-10 was a great way to start 2002 and the team but it was three years ago. When you toss it out as the default answer to every Cowboy fan you run into then you make it a little less significant every time you use it.

Scoreboard is nice but if twenty years from now we're undefeated against the Cowboys but have never finished better than 7-9 then I'm not a happy fan. 19-10 was nice but I'm more interested on what the next (regular season) Texans-Cowboys score will be and whether or not that Texans team will be in the running for a playoff spot.

I moved to Dallas and have no doubt that we will beat them next year. On offense they are horrible. Big Bill won't submit to the fact that they are too old on that side of the ball. Although they drafted Henson they won't give him a chance and Bill has no intentions in the future of the team and doesn't care. Last year when they clearly weren't going anywhere he still wouldn't pull Vinny to give Henson quality learning experience. Last year when a been the perfect year to do it, especialy when you look at what their divisional oponents have done. The Giants have their Franchise qb in place and will benefit from the lumps they took last year. Washington has reconized they need to find their future QB, whether if it is Ramsey or the Cambell guy they drafted. The Eagles have their franchise qb in place and are the class of the division. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up becoming the celler dwellers in that division for years to come. Also they are too old and strugling at the WR position. The only thing they have going on that side of the ball is J.Jones and J. Witten. On Defense they are switching to the 3-4, but don't quite have the personell yet to run it. What are they going to do with their undersized lbs? What is going to become of Glover and how is he going to fit in that system? To many questions and not enough answers. Also If they have a couple of more down years Parcells will be leaving and that will leave them searching for yet another coach who might come in and want to change the defensive pholisiphy again and send them back where they started. If I was a Cowboy fan I would be worried.

WWJD
05-22-2005, 08:54 PM
Actually I think the Cowboys took a HUGE step forward this off-season.

Defense will be much better. They had a tremendous draft on the defensive side of the ball and added Ferguson who is a very nice player.

On offense Julius Jones was fantastic during his rookie year and will be fine. They added a FA running back whose name escapes me that can come in and play much better than Eddie George was. Bledsoe should be an upgrade but they do need to settle that position. Witten is an all pro. The other receivers are average so I'm not going to jump up and down about that.

And believe it or not I think if Bill has any success he might stay longer than people think. I would not have thought that after this offseason and didn't want him to but I have to hand it to him...he did a great job this offseason. They had needs and they spent the money they had too.

I feel much better going into next season than I did this last season. They had, so far, a very nice spring and summer. How it translates on the field remains to be seen as it is with any team.

I really don't get the comment that Bill "doesn't care"....if anything he's too intense. He's as intense a coach as there is in the NFL.

Carr Bombed
05-22-2005, 10:25 PM
Actually I think the Cowboys took a HUGE step forward this off-season.

Defense will be much better. They had a tremendous draft on the defensive side of the ball and added Ferguson who is a very nice player.

On offense Julius Jones was fantastic during his rookie year and will be fine. They added a FA running back whose name escapes me that can come in and play much better than Eddie George was. Bledsoe should be an upgrade but they do need to settle that position. Witten is an all pro. The other receivers are average so I'm not going to jump up and down about that.

And believe it or not I think if Bill has any success he might stay longer than people think. I would not have thought that after this offseason and didn't want him to but I have to hand it to him...he did a great job this offseason. They had needs and they spent the money they had too.

I feel much better going into next season than I did this last season. They had, so far, a very nice spring and summer. How it translates on the field remains to be seen as it is with any team.

I really don't get the comment that Bill "doesn't care"....if anything he's too intense. He's as intense a coach as there is in the NFL.

I didn't say Bill doesn't care I said he has no intention for the future if he did he would of gave Henson the playing time he needed or would of drafted his future qb, also I stated that J. Jones will be great and that Witten is a great player, but they have no one else on that side of the ball. The Cowboys went into the draft wanting either Spears or Ware, they luckily ended up with both of them, which should bold well for their future, great job with the draft for once in a long time they had a good draft, but the are switching to the 3-4 without having the complete personel yet. Is spears going to be their NT if not then who, Ware is going to have to learn how to play standing up and they have alot of undersized lbs. With their FA signings I don't recall any RB signing what so ever. They signed a brown cb that shows promise, but whats their answer at safety with the retirement of the great woodson (very underated player) and speaking of safeties Roy Williams strugled last year with the adsence of woodson and really strugles in defending the pass. They signed a green bay ol man that wasn't even the best FA Lineman off that team and had back surgery during the offseason. Also there are many Buffalo fans that call in on a regular basis to the local radio shows laughing at dallas for signing Bledsoe, he had one of the best running games last year and much better receivers than dallas and still couldn't get it done. Bledsoe is a younger Vinny T. and is only postponing the inevitable, they have to find a answer at the qb position.

WWJD
05-22-2005, 11:18 PM
[QUOTE=Carr Bomb] they drafted Henson they won't give him a chance and Bill has no intentions in the future of the team and doesn't care.


Looks to me like you said just that...of course he cares. It's his job. He takes it seriously or he wouldn't have been so successful for all these years.

If you don't think the Cowboys have improved this offseason I can't change your mind. Surely they have question marks; I won't dispute that but they had a very nice draft by almost every expert's standards and they haven't for quite a few years.

I'm not impressed with the wideouts either.

I am positive they signed a RB this offseason from the Bears I think. He will be a big improvement over Eddie George.

I do think Bledsoe is an upgrade over Vinny. I would have played Henson also more but they didn't ask my opinion so that's Bill call. He would know more football on his worse day than I would on my best.

But to reiterate Bill does care; they made some big upgrades this offseason and it'll all play out on the field. We'll just agree to disagree I suppose.

Carr Bombed
05-23-2005, 01:40 AM
[QUOTE=Carr Bomb] they drafted Henson they won't give him a chance and Bill has no intentions in the future of the team and doesn't care.


Looks to me like you said just that...of course he cares. It's his job. He takes it seriously or he wouldn't have been so successful for all these years.

If you don't think the Cowboys have improved this offseason I can't change your mind. Surely they have question marks; I won't dispute that but they had a very nice draft by almost every expert's standards and they haven't for quite a few years.

I'm not impressed with the wideouts either.

I am positive they signed a RB this offseason from the Bears I think. He will be a big improvement over Eddie George.

I do think Bledsoe is an upgrade over Vinny. I would have played Henson also more but they didn't ask my opinion so that's Bill call. He would know more football on his worse day than I would on my best.

But to reiterate Bill does care; they made some big upgrades this offseason and it'll all play out on the field. We'll just agree to disagree I suppose.

What I mean by he has no intentions in the future is that he won't be around for the future, Parcells is a old and a aging man he has maybe a three year window and the cowboys must show success and improvment in those years for him to stay.

I also agree and have agreed before they have had a fantastic draft and it should serve them well, but they need to do that on a more consistent basis. They took two potentialy wonderful players, which have to prove they can play in the 3-4, which I think they will, especially Spears, Ware has to prove he can play standing up and with this level of competition.

If they did sign a FA rb from the bears, don't expect him to make much a difference since the bears didn't have a stout running game last year and were one of the teams to take a rb in the first round, also this is a mute point since Jones will get most of the carries anyways (don't get me wrong I love some of the players the cowboys have and jones is one of them)

I also beleive Bledsoe is a better qb, but he isn't going to be much of a difference maker. He will provide them 2 years at best, then what. Henson will be like 28 years old and back to square 1, when during that time Washington and New York will be developing the qbs for the future, again putting them behind in the division.

WWJD
05-23-2005, 07:52 AM
I finally got off my duff and looked it up. They signed Anthony Thomas from the Bears.

StarStruck
05-23-2005, 02:28 PM
IAlthough they drafted Henson they won't give him a chance and Bill has no intentions in the future of the team and doesn't care. Last year when they clearly weren't going anywhere he still wouldn't pull Vinny to give Henson quality learning experience. If I was a Cowboy fan I would be worried.

Worried? Nope! In due time, the Cowboys will be alright. :) I do respectfully disagree with your comments about Henson's opportunity to play. If my recollections are correct, Henson was given an opportunity to play, and Coach Parcells designed the plays in a way to save Henson's life. Hopefully, I am wrong, but at this point I see Henson in the same light as Chad Hutchinson and another individual who has become a delightful sportscaster.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-23-2005, 04:40 PM
I finally got off my duff and looked it up. They signed Anthony Thomas from the Bears.

On a side note, we also drafted RB Marion Barber with our fourth pick.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-23-2005, 05:00 PM
but whats their answer at safety with the retirement of the great woodson (very underated player) and speaking of safeties Roy Williams strugled last year with the adsence of woodson and really strugles in defending the pass. .

The answer at safety? The answer's already on the roster, meet Keith Davis. 2004 NFL Europe All-Star (as safety) and Special-Teams standout last season for Dallas. We also have veteran cornerback Aaron Glenn as an option if no one emerges as a starter.
Incase these two dont work out, Dallas might take a look at a couple of other veterans when the June 1 cuts are announced.Two options include Corey Chavous of Minnesota and Lance Schulters of Tennessee.

About Roy Williams, he was playing out of posistion last year because of the injured Woodson. He'll be back in 2005 at the line stuffing runners like he did in 03'.

Huge
05-23-2005, 08:15 PM
Speak for The 'Boys, dude. We've had plenty more exciting times in the past three years than you guys have had. Even then, the majority of exciting times for the Cowboys have unfortunately been Bill Parcells' press conferences.

We've been to the playoffs within the past 3 seasons. Have the Texans?

Landry was by far the best coach to ever coach. Canning this guy was horrible. I bet all Cowboys fans around the world are still crying.

I didn't like the way it was handled but Jerry wasn't left with many options. Landry refused to step down and refused to come in order to be told to his face. Sad to see him go? Sure. Crying because we felt he was our best option? Not even close.

I actually won a bet after Jimmy Johnson was hired. I bet we'd have a Super Bowl trophy within 5 years (only took 4) under Jimmy.

I moved to Dallas and have no doubt that we will beat them next year. On offense they are horrible. Big Bill won't submit to the fact that they are too old on that side of the ball. Although they drafted Henson they won't give him a chance and Bill has no intentions in the future of the team and doesn't care.

So based on how our offense looked in '04, you can tell how we'll be in '06 (after two offseasons and two drafts)? Amazing.

Washington has reconized they need to find their future QB, whether if it is Ramsey or the Cambell guy they drafted.

If Ramsey is the answer, why draft Campbell? If Campbell is the answer, how is he proven?

Also they are too old and strugling at the WR position.

Funny how at the beginning of '04, many (outside of Dallas) thought with Johnson, Glenn and Bryant the strength of the offense would be the WR position. Replace Bryant with Morgan and tack on another year for Johnson and Glenn and suddenly it's weak.

On Defense they are switching to the 3-4, but don't quite have the personell yet to run it.

We're not switching to the 3-4 full time. In '05 we'll run a mix of both.

[qutoe]What are they going to do with their undersized lbs?[/quote]

I don't know...keep sending them to Hawaii each February?

What is going to become of Glover and how is he going to fit in that system?

With added depth, he won't have to worry about playing 70 snaps a game. That will help his stamina throughout the season. In the 4-3, he'll play his normal DT position. In the 3-4, he could play either (how well he plays has yet to be determined).

The Cowboys went into the draft wanting either Spears or Ware, they luckily ended up with both of them, which should bold well for their future, great job with the draft for once in a long time they had a good draft, but the are switching to the 3-4 without having the complete personel yet

If you compared the drafts between our two teams over the past 3 years, you might be surprised.

Is spears going to be their NT if not then who

Spears will play DE in both schemes. Jason Ferguson (FA signee from the Jets) will play NT.

Ware is going to have to learn how to play standing up

After playing some OLB in college, how will this be a problem?

and they have alot of undersized lbs.

Kevin Burnett - 6'2, 240
Ryan Fowler - 6'3, 245
Bradie James - 6'2, 240
Dat Ngyuen - 5'11, 243
Keith O'Neil - 6'0, 230
Scott Shanle - 6'2, 245
Al Singleton - 6'2, 228
Kalen Thornton - 6'3, 250

I see two that I might classify as "undersized". O'Neil and primarily a special teams player. Dat Ngyuen has been to the Pro Bowl. I don't think his lack of ideal height has hurt his career. That's two out of 8. Not exactly what I would call "a lot".

They signed a brown cb that shows promise, but whats their answer at safety with the retirement of the great woodson (very underated player) and speaking of safeties Roy Williams strugled last year with the adsence of woodson and really strugles in defending the pass.

We've added Anthony Henry as well as Aaron Glenn. The secondary is already improved.

With Woodson's retirement, Williams will move to his natural position of SS (replacing Woodson). That leaves the FS spot open...the easiest position on the defense to replace. And we still have the June 1st cuts to go. And besides, who said we needed to answer every question on our defense in one year? Your OL still sucks. What did the Texans do to improve on that?

I also agree and have agreed before they have had a fantastic draft and it should serve them well, but they need to do that on a more consistent basis. They took two potentialy wonderful players, which have to prove they can play in the 3-4, which I think they will, especially Spears, Ware has to prove he can play standing up and with this level of competition.

What rookie from this past draft doesn't have to prove they can play in this league? "Potentially" we took 8 wonderful players. It's how they end up that matters.

If they did sign a FA rb from the bears, don't expect him to make much a difference since the bears didn't have a stout running game last year and were one of the teams to take a rb in the first round, also this is a mute point since Jones will get most of the carries anyways (don't get me wrong I love some of the players the cowboys have and jones is one of them)

Anthony Thomas is an upgrade over Eddie George. There is absolutely no reason to debate this. Besides, we're taking about depth behind Julius Jones. A player that many feel will have a great future. If Thomas doesn't pan out, then we drafted Marion Barber as well.

I also beleive Bledsoe is a better qb, but he isn't going to be much of a difference maker. He will provide them 2 years at best, then what. Henson will be like 28 years old and back to square 1, when during that time Washington and New York will be developing the qbs for the future, again putting them behind in the division.

I don't agree that Bledsoe is better than Vinny. I think it's a push at best. But how would we be "back to square 1" if Henson is 28? Are you suggesting that he'd be past his prime and we'd be back to looking for a QB of the future? 2 years from now David Carr will be 28. Will it be time for the Texans to start looking again?

Those might not be the answers you were looking for.

WWJD
05-23-2005, 10:18 PM
I don't care how you spin it Jerry showed NO class by the way he handled the matter with Coach Landry. I personally don't feel it was Coach Landry's place to come to Jerry but rather the other way around.

I know that Coach Landry, being a Christian man, never said anything about it other than he was disappointed. I know for a fact that many of his ex-players held and still do hold that firing against Jerry Jones. And I don't blame them really. It was a terrible way to treat Coach Landry; he deserved much better.

dalemurphy
05-24-2005, 04:57 AM
I finally got off my duff and looked it up. They signed Anthony Thomas from the Bears.


If Anthony Thomas sees much playing time, you're going to have a bad season. He is not a short yardage back. In his career, he has a horrible 1 yard conversion rate. Barber will see more playing time than Thomas, if healthy. Who are we kidding, though, the success of the Dallas offense will depend on Julius Jones and the health of the OL.

WWJD
05-24-2005, 07:31 AM
Well sure.

With Bill Parcells it's always going to be run first. The offense will go if Julius is going. They'll probably try to get Witten going as well. He's a definite threat. I don't know anything about their new backs but they HAVE to be better than Eddie George was.

Huge
05-24-2005, 07:38 AM
I don't care how you spin it Jerry showed NO class by the way he handled the matter with Coach Landry. I personally don't feel it was Coach Landry's place to come to Jerry but rather the other way around.

I know that Coach Landry, being a Christian man, never said anything about it other than he was disappointed. I know for a fact that many of his ex-players held and still do hold that firing against Jerry Jones. And I don't blame them really. It was a terrible way to treat Coach Landry; he deserved much better.

Maybe I have the story wrong. From what I've read/heard, Jerry wanted to tell him face to face. Landry refused to come in and the decision was made without him being present. Landry might have heard that he was fired through the media but he already knew beforehand.

Do I have that wrong?

WWJD
05-24-2005, 07:48 AM
I am not sure of the exact story and relying on a poor memory but I do believe that Coach Landry was on his way to Austin or in Austin at a golf function and he was told that he was fired. I do not know if he was asked to go see Jones or not; I do not remember if Jerry tried to go see him in Austin but I think not.

I do remember that Jerry and Jimmy had a well publicized dinner at a restaurant and that Jerry made some comments that Jimmy was going to be his coach.

The bottom line is that Jerry should have waited till he could have meet with Coach Landry face to face; he could have waited to be seen in public with Jimmy. As it was I think it was handled very poorly and with no regard for Coach Landry or his feelings. It was Jerry's place to make all those arrangements and not Coach Landry's.

And of course Tex left the next year because he couldn't stomach Jones....

Maybe Jerry didn't intend things to happen the way they did but he was irresponsible and uncaring. He jumped the gun. I know many players such as Bob Lilly and even Roger came out publicly and said they didn't think Coach Landry was treated fairly.

Double Barrel
05-24-2005, 05:20 PM
Never argue with a Cowboys fan about their owner, because 3 championships ALWAYS justifies whatever Jerry Jones is about.

I don't knock real Cowboys fans (you know, the ones that actually live in or within a 100 miles of Dallas), but most of them remind me of Yankees fans. Full support when winning, and absent during losing seasons.

Matter-of-fact, I haven't seen any Cowboys gear around these parts in quite awhile now.

Of course it's because of winning championships, but the Cowboys and Yankees have to take the prize for most bandwaggoners in a given sport. The problem for the rest of us is how in the heck do you sort them out?

WWJD
05-24-2005, 05:59 PM
Just for the record because I'm wondering if the jabs weren't directed to me...I spent most of my life in Dallas. Part of my childhood here but most there.

I don't really care who likes what team. I have a friend in California and his favorite team is the Steelers and he's never been out of California. So whatever floats your boat. People have their own dislikes and likes and that's their business and I don't separate them into "real" fans or otherwise. If others do that's fine.

I'll always be a Cowboys fan;always have been. I had season tickets when they went 1-15 so if that doesn't make me a "real" fan I don't know what will. I like the Texans alot and not necessarily because I live in the area. I'd like them anyway. I'll always be a Texans fan too.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-24-2005, 06:08 PM
Never argue with a Cowboys fan about their owner, because 3 championships ALWAYS justifies whatever Jerry Jones is about.

I don't knock real Cowboys fans (you know, the ones that actually live in or within a 100 miles of Dallas), but most of them remind me of Yankees fans. Full support when winning, and absent during losing seasons.

Matter-of-fact, I haven't seen any Cowboys gear around these parts in quite awhile now.

Of course it's because of winning championships, but the Cowboys and Yankees have to take the prize for most bandwaggoners in a given sport. The problem for the rest of us is how in the heck do you sort them out?

Hold on a second, did you just say real Cowboy fans live within 100 miles of Dallas? I have a hard time understanding you. I'm from Austin,TX, and I am a real Dallas Cowboys fan. I've never lived in Dallas, but I cheer for my state team, and that team is the Dallas Cowboys. I bleed Silver And Blue and dedicate my life every fall for the Cowboys. Are you saying every Houston fan that doesnt live within 100 miles within Houston are REAL Texan fans? Take some of your moderators for example, (ArlingtonTexan and gwallaia), they live more than 100 miles away from Houston, but they're still real Houston Texan fans, just ask the person who named them moderators.
I myself cheer for the real Texas football team (one that has never folded and relocated).

Let me tell you, everybody I talk to (in Austin) about football, hates the Cowboys, they hate The Star, they hate Jerry Jones, and think our stadium is trash. There's no bandwagon jumping from what I can see.
But hey, I can't help the Cowboy's from being the most popular team in the U.S.A EVEN AFTER the three straight 5-11 seasons. I honestly wouldnt call these out of state guys bandwagon jumpers, because apparently they still like the Cowboys even after the 5-11 seasons (see 2002 Sports Illustrated poll, Who's your favorite NFL team )

BTW, WWJD is a Cowboy fan.

TexansTrueFan
05-24-2005, 06:20 PM
Hold on a second, did you just say real Cowboy fans live within 100 miles of Dallas? I have a hard time understanding you. I'm from Austin,TX, and I am a real Dallas Cowboys fan. I've never lived in Dallas, but I cheer for my state team, and that team is the Dallas Cowboys. I bleed Silver And Blue and dedicate my life every fall for the Cowboys. Are you saying every Houston fan that doesnt live within 100 miles within Houston are REAL Texan fans? Take some of your moderators for example, (ArlingtonTexan and gwallaia), they live right next to Dallas, but they're still real Houston Texan fans, just ask the person who named them moderators.
I myself cheer for the real Texas football team (one that has never folded and relocated).

Let me tell you, everybody I talk to (in Austin) about football, hates the Cowboys, they hate The Star, they hate Jerry Jones, and think our stadium is trash. There's no bandwagon jumping from what I can see.
But hey, I can't help the Cowboy's from being the most popular team in the U.S.A EVEN AFTER the three straight 5-11 seasons. I honestly wouldnt call these out of state guys bandwagon jumpers, because apparently they still like the Cowboys even after the 5-11 seasons (see 2002 Sports Illustrated poll, Who's your favorite NFL team )

BTW, WWJD is a Cowboy fan.

ok ur living in the 90s if u still think the cowboys are the most popular team in America. Heck they arent even Americas team and as we all know they arent Texas's team. Sure yall had ur glory days with E. Smith, Aikman, Irving, Sanders. But those days are long gone, America has a new team and a new fav, the patriots, and TEXAS has us, so who needs Dallas !?!?!?!?!?!? :highfive:

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-24-2005, 06:29 PM
ok ur living in the 90s if u still think the cowboys are the most popular team in America. Heck they arent even Americas team and as we all know they arent Texas's team. Sure yall had ur glory days with E. Smith, Aikman, Irving, Sanders. But those days are long gone, America has a new team and a new fav, the patriots, and TEXAS has us, so who needs Dallas !?!?!?!?!?!? :highfive:

Excuse me, but Texas already voted, Dallas Cowboys win- http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/features/si50/news/2003/09/24/texas/

:club:

gwallaia
05-24-2005, 06:40 PM
Ummm, not to diminish your point HowBout, but I live in Beaumont. That's about 90 miles from Houston.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-24-2005, 06:41 PM
Ummm, not to diminish your point HowBout, but I live in Beaumont. That's about 90 miles from Houston.

lol, you get the gist of it though.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-24-2005, 06:42 PM
ok ur living in the 90s if u still think the cowboys are the most popular team in America. Heck they arent even Americas team and as we all know they arent Texas's team. Sure yall had ur glory days with E. Smith, Aikman, Irving, Sanders. But those days are long gone, America has a new team and a new fav, the patriots, and TEXAS has us, so who needs Dallas !?!?!?!?!?!? :highfive:

Excuse me, but Texas already voted, Dallas Cowboys win- http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/features/si50/news/2003/09/24/texas/

:club:


Sorry double post..

Huge
05-24-2005, 09:51 PM
Of course it's because of winning championships, but the Cowboys and Yankees have to take the prize for most bandwaggoners in a given sport. The problem for the rest of us is how in the heck do you sort them out?

America has a new team and a new fav, the patriots

Hmm...one says the Cowboys take the prize for the most bandwaggoners while another poster says America's new favorite team is the Patriots. I would guess the Patriots popularity would have something to do with 3 Super Bowls in the last 4 years. Which tells me their newfound fanbase is full of bandwaggoners.

Anybody want to argue this?

Sure yall had ur glory days with E. Smith, Aikman, Irving, Sanders. But those days are long gone,

The days of Staubach, Dorsett, Pearson and Waters were long gone as well. Then Irvin, Aikman and Smith arrived and it started all over again. See how this works?

For one that poll was done in 2002, besides you can't go off of a SI poll. Not very scientific.

As opposed to the mountain of evidence that supports the popularity of the Texans...right? What would a more "scientific" poll reflect?

If you go by TV ratings, you don't compare.
If you go by merchandise sales, you're not even in the same hemisphere.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-24-2005, 09:56 PM
For one that poll was done in 2002, besides you can't go off of a SI poll. :rolleyes: Not very scientific.


The poll was done in 2003. Where in that article does it say 2002?

Sports Illustrated is a fine source to use, it's the average sports fan's magazine.


By the way the Texans have not folded or relocated either.

Excuse me, I mean Houston has relocated.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-24-2005, 10:09 PM
No Houston is still here.

Ok go ahead and be a wise guy lol. The Oilers have relocated.

Panther5407
05-24-2005, 10:15 PM
Ok go ahead and be a wise guy lol. The Oilers have relocated.

I may be young but didnt Dallas have a team called the Dallas Texans before being relocated?

Panther5407
05-24-2005, 10:17 PM
We are not the Oilers, we are the Houston Texans. Different organization.

Just like the Dallas Texans are now the Kansas City Cheifs.

You barely beat me to the Dallas Texans part.

Huge
05-24-2005, 10:24 PM
Comparing a team thats been around for 45 years to a 3 year franchise?

Of course the numbers are going to be in the Cowboys favor. They had 45 years to grow their fan base.

If the Texans are more popular now, why would the past 45 years matter? Or are you conceding that the Texans aren't the most popular team in Texas (even if you mean "yet")?

Huge
05-25-2005, 08:04 AM
Once again, if there are claims by the Texans fans that the Texans are more popular now, why does the past 45 years matter?

I understand the Cowboys have been around longer and therefore have had more time to build their fan base. But if you (or any other Texans fan) is claiming the Texans have the bigger fan base and thus are more popular in the State of Texas, what does the 42 year advantage do for the Cowboys right now?

I wouldn't use a SI poll to determine a favorite team to prove a point. Look at the favorite sport teams in Texas based on that poll.....

I wouldn't use a SI poll either. But discounting one source of information doesn't make the opposing claim (without any source) true.

Huge
05-25-2005, 01:10 PM
I believe this is one of the points you were trying to make as well (correct me if I'm wrong)...

Because it does take time to develop a fan base.
Besides I was talking about NFL merchandise sales. We might not be the most popular in NFL sales "yet".

So are you suggesting the sales of NFL merchandise is one way to determine popularity (again, correct me if I'm wrong)? If so, how do you explain the gianormous difference between the sales of Dallas Cowboys merchandise to that of the Houston Texans if the Texans are the more popular team (according to more than one Texans fan...not neccessarily you)?

gcolby
05-25-2005, 02:55 PM
how do you explain the gianormous difference between the sales of Dallas Cowboys merchandise to that of the Houston Texans if the Texans are the more popular team (according to more than one Texans fan...not neccessarily you)?


For one thing, I'd point out that you can buy Cowboy-branded *anything*. There's way more to buy, and thus, more gets sold. It's almost a self-fulfilling prophesy. I can still go online to several official-NFL-suppliers, and they'll have XXX for every team except the Texans. (which really ticks me off; I mean, it's not like they haven't been given the logo yet or anything)

Little by little, we're seeing more Texans stuff. Texans sales will grow as their product base does, not their necessarily their fan base.

TopTexanFan16
05-25-2005, 05:48 PM
man huge why are you trying to back the cowgirls so bad? and arguing so much with thirdeyebc, and i never took a poll and im a sports fan so i dont find that poll fair at all. and i know your goin to post somethin bout what im saying but......COWGIRLS SUCK!!!!!, stop defending them please.haha

Huge
05-25-2005, 06:08 PM
And you don't think there's so many Cowboys products because there's a demand for them?

Surely there are Texans jerseys that are available. But I don't see any of them on these rankings. (http://www.brandweek.com/brandweek/headlines/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000583928)

Retired Ricky Williams can place 8th yet the 4th largest city (as well as their massive fan base outside the city of Houston) can't place anybody in the top 25? Even Joey Harrington cracked the top 20.

And I'd love to hear an example of something you can get with the Cowboys logo but not the Texans. 'Cause I'm thinking if you can get a Texans pool table, (http://www.nflshop.com/nfl/index.jsp?pageId=nflProductDetail&Slot1.atgProductId=14-2325&SlotId1=guym1300004&templateId=searchResultPage&sellable=true) you can get just about anything you (would/should) want.

TexansTrueFan
05-25-2005, 06:26 PM
That's all you Texan fans can say about Dallas. 19-10. So what? The team who lost to the Texans was a 5-11 team. It was a disposable season. Big deal, you won 1 regular season game 3 years ago.


ok heres another 18-0 pre-season game. u happen to remember that one, and of course the 19-10

Huge
05-25-2005, 06:34 PM
Your the one that brought that up.

I believe I did use it as a point to measure popularity. But did you not say this:

Because it does take time to develop a fan base.
Besides I was talking about NFL merchandise sales. We might not be the most popular in NFL sales "yet".

So were you or were you not talking about merchandise sales?

man huge why are you trying to back the cowgirls so bad? and arguing so much with thirdeyebc, and i never took a poll and im a sports fan so i dont find that poll fair at all. and i know your goin to post somethin bout what im saying but......COWGIRLS SUCK!!!!!, stop defending them please.haha

Why would I back the Cowboys so bad? It's what fans of teams do (see the avatar).

And I wouldn't say it's arguing. I'm simply asking for evidence as to how the Texans are more popular in the State of Texas than the Cowboys. A simple example will do.

Huge
05-25-2005, 06:37 PM
ok heres another 18-0 pre-season game. u happen to remember that one, and of course the 19-10

Did you really just use pre-season smack? If you took any pleasure from 18-0, did you feel humiliated after 34-6?

TexansTrueFan
05-25-2005, 06:38 PM
I believe I did use it as a point to measure popularity. But did you not say this:



So were you or were you not talking about merchandise sales?



Why would I back the Cowboys so bad? It's what fans of teams do (see the avatar).

And I wouldn't say it's arguing. I'm simply asking for evidence as to how the Texans are more popular in the State of Texas than the Cowboys. A simple example will do.

well we are the texas champions until we play again and then we will kep the crown another 4 years.

TopTexanFan16
05-25-2005, 06:40 PM
o didnt realize you were a cowboy fan, sry for accusing you of arguing.......but the COWGIRLS STILL SUCK!!! haha

TopTexanFan16
05-25-2005, 06:42 PM
Did you really just use pre-season smack? If you took any pleasure from 18-0, did you feel humiliated after 34-6?

hey you know if it were the other wya around you would be saying 18-0 too. so dont even try to give us that excuse. a win is a win, and a game is a game i dont care if it were pre-season or the super bowl....Texans seem to always win., correct me if im wrong as you keep saying but i do think we've beaten the cowgirls everytime we've played them......again correct me if im wrong.

Huge
05-26-2005, 08:45 AM
well we are the texas champions until we play again and then we will kep the crown another 4 years.

Wow, I never realized the Texas State Championship was at stake. What did y'all get for your efforts? Is there a team picture for this event? Did they have a trophy presentation at mid-field at the end of the game?

o didnt realize you were a cowboy fan, sry for accusing you of arguing.......but the COWGIRLS STILL SUCK!!! haha

Eh...no biggie. And yes, we are certainly less than stellar. :)

hey you know if it were the other wya around you would be saying 18-0 too. so dont even try to give us that excuse. a win is a win, and a game is a game i dont care if it were pre-season or the super bowl....Texans seem to always win., correct me if im wrong as you keep saying but i do think we've beaten the cowgirls everytime we've played them......again correct me if im wrong.

Correcting you when you're wrong:

1. If you're counting pre-season games (again, not sure why you would feel the need), then you haven't beaten Dallas every time they've played. As a "true Texans fan" I would expect you to know this.

2. And no, I wasn't here pounding my chest after Dallas won 34-6. Those that have been here longer than 2 months can attest to that. Yes, there were some Texans fans that kept it in the proper perspective ("It's just a pre-season game"). It was a pre-season game. Anybody that uses those games as a measuring stick for how good their team is lacks football sense (the Patriots were 1-3 this past pre-season...guess they suck?).

Actually thats all the Cowboy fans were bringing up when they beat us in pre-season before last. Thats why I would bring up 19-10 was a REGULAR season game when I had to work for a Dallas based company. I didn't bring anything up when we shut them out a year later. Thank God I found a better job with a Houston based company that helped build Reliant Stadium. Anyway I'm not going to continue wasting my time on who is more popular or not.
Look forward to the 2006 game Huge, it will be fun. You know I love to hate the Cowboys, right

That easily goes both ways. Many said 19-10 meant a great deal (and deservedly so as it was a regular season game). The next season when Dallas won 34-6 in a pre-season game, it didn't mean anything to the Texans fans because it was just a pre-season game. Next year when the Texans won 18-0, all of a sudden pre-season games meant something again.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

WWJD
05-26-2005, 09:17 AM
I've always thought it was a HUGE ripoff how the owners charge regular season prices for preseason games. I couldn't tell you the record of ANY team I like in the preseason. I know they mean something to the players and coaches but I'd love to see

1) preseason cut by a game or more.

2) definitely cut ticket prices during those games. I was going to say concessions also but I guess those people deserve full price for their work and products.

3) offer free parking to the fans that do come.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-26-2005, 01:01 PM
Next year when the Texans won 18-0, all of a sudden pre-season games meant something again.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

lol, you can say that again. Last pre-season when Dallas lost to Houston 18-0, the whole message board went crazy like they just won the SuperBowl. You don't have to take my word for it, check out this example..

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=1942

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-26-2005, 01:05 PM
wow, the board sure went bonkers in that thread. whew

It was an example, one thread out of the many.

texasguy346
05-26-2005, 01:07 PM
I think the vast majority of board members don't put much stock into preseason games. Every team has its knee jerk fans, and often times they'll be the first one to predict a SB berth after a win and call for the HC's head on a platter after a loss. Most fans take preseason games for what they're worth. A simulated game that gives fans a chance to see some of the young guys and the 2nd and 3rd stringers in action.

Huge
05-26-2005, 04:47 PM
I think the vast majority of board members don't put much stock into preseason games. Every team has its knee jerk fans, and often times they'll be the first one to predict a SB berth after a win and call for the HC's head on a platter after a loss. Most fans take preseason games for what they're worth. A simulated game that gives fans a chance to see some of the young guys and the 2nd and 3rd stringers in action.
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StarStruck
05-26-2005, 11:27 PM
Yeah thats funny how it was the Dallas fans at work using the pre-season excuse when we won 18-0, but the year before they came into work pumping their chest like they won a playoff game. I never put that much on pre-season games other than actually seeing football again, seeing all the rookies and new additions.

Maybe the Dallas fans on your job say those things because they know how it will affect you. :highfive: I was in Dallas when the Cowboys won 30 something to a touchdown or so (see how much I remember), and I don't recall anything being said beyond that point. Even if a select few did pump their chests, I was pale in comparison to the rude behavior of the Texans in Texas Stadium. :embarrass

Theoridic
05-27-2005, 06:34 AM
To any Dallas fan who reads this just remember this is a TEXANS message board. You will not win any argument against US. Before the game it was said on espn that it was the Texas Bowl. We won :highfive: . We had a worse record with a much harder schedule "NFC is a joke at the moment" and still schooled you in our FIRST game ever as a franchise, choke on that.

WWJD
05-27-2005, 08:18 AM
This is the NFL discussion thread where any team can be discussed. If it bothers you guys don't check out the thread. Problem solved.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-27-2005, 05:28 PM
I never post in the Bull Pen, but I do occasionally mix it up in the Houston Sports Scene.

It's not like we're trolling or anything, we're just defending the Silver And Blue.

And yes, the Cowboys have many message boards, this one is my personal favorite- www.cowboys-forum.com

http://www.cowboys-forum.com/images/misc/cfnew.jpg

WWJD
05-27-2005, 07:55 PM
Well thank you Vinny...I like both teams; I enjoy the things I read on here which is why I'm a faithful poster. People on here are very knowledgable and much more well read about football than I.

I'm just an NFL fan period. I like many teams but yea the Cowboys and Texans are special to me.

Theoridic
05-27-2005, 09:42 PM
I am not saying anything bad about the people posting. Just saying we will win an argument on our grounds. I will say there were some guys that went a little overboard to the dallas fans at the game "2 guys made another one take his jersy off with threats and tuck it under his under shirt", but the real fans just jumped around excited they won and didn't say anything to the dallas fans.

"I still dream of an all Texas Superbowl" Hank Hill

WWJD
05-27-2005, 10:23 PM
I don't think there should ever be a reason for any fan, in any city, at any stadium to be rude to a visiting fan just because they don't like the team on the field. It's just not right...people should be able to go to a sporting event without fearing a fight whether verbal or physical.

Particularly with the huge prices of tickets and everything else.

It still surprises me when I read about some things that go on in some NFL cities.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-27-2005, 10:36 PM
Some of best mannered posters are Cowboy fans. LMBH, Huge and HowBoutThemCowboys! are as good as it gets when it comes to rival fans posting here. I'm not sure if WWJD is a Cowboy fan or a Texan fan more...but she is one of the better ones too.

Thank you for the kind words Vinny. Anyone can tell you're a fine admin and a class-act by just glancing at these message boards and seeing how orderly they are. Keep up the good work.

Huge
05-28-2005, 08:43 AM
I am not saying anything bad about the people posting. Just saying we will win an argument on our grounds. I will say there were some guys that went a little overboard to the dallas fans at the game "2 guys made another one take his jersy off with threats and tuck it under his under shirt", but the real fans just jumped around excited they won and didn't say anything to the dallas fans.

"I still dream of an all Texas Superbowl" Hank Hill

Would you say you've won the argument that the Texans are more popular in the State of Texas than the Cowboys? If so, with what? :)

Texan Dave
05-28-2005, 09:37 AM
Would you say you've won the argument that the Texans are more popular in the State of Texas than the Cowboys? If so, with what? :)


Look guys, I've been staying out of this thread, but I just have to say that anyone saying that the Texans are more popular than the Cowgirls has lost their mind. I'm a verry devoted Texans fan, and yeah I hate the cowgirls. But saying that the Texans are more popular than they are is like a Mets fan saying that the Mets are more popular than the Yankees. Actually, it's worse, we don't even have anny wear near the history that the Mets do, and yes, like it or not, the Cowgirls are the Yankees of the NFL.

I can't believe I just wrote this, or admited it, I think I'll go commit suicide now.

StarStruck
05-28-2005, 01:40 PM
By DFan

I don't care if they are the most popular team in Texas, but they sure are in Houston and my family. So all the bandwagoners not even born in Dallas can have the Cowboys.
To all the Texan fans.................
TEXAN PRIDE!

Don't mean to be confrontational, but I thought bandwagoners leave at the first hint of embarrassment, when a team consistently loses, and/or any new wave appears to be more exciting for the season. Not even born in Dallas? Does that mean if I was born Phoenix, I should be a Cardinals fan? :shocked

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-28-2005, 05:38 PM
By DFan

The Texans have alot of exciting times and plenty more in the future. It was fun winning our first game against the 'Girls on national tv and I am glad I recorded it. 20 years from now it will be just as fun to watch even after we win the Superbowl. No one can take away that feeling of our first victory on national tv with football back in Houston against a team I love to hate.

I don't care if they are the most popular team in Texas, but they sure are in Houston and my family. So all the bandwagoners not even born in Dallas can have the Cowboys.
To all the Texan fans.................
TEXAN PRIDE!

This is priceless....

http://cowboys.siegler.net/images/2002/18.jpg

Thanks for being so close to the action. That made it even sweeter! :)


Thirdeye, Dfan wasnt the one in the first place to say the "exciting times" comment. Some Texan fan said that to him, and he responded by saying the Texans havent had many exciting times.


So if someone isnt born in the city of their favorite NFL team, they're bandwagoners?
So if you were born in Wisconsin, say Milwaukee, and you werent born in the small town of Green Bay, then your a bandwagon fan of the Packers?

Oh yeah and thanks for changing your signature. Even if it says "I want to kiss you and knock em' down", it's better thanwww.dallascowboyssuck.com lol.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-28-2005, 05:55 PM
This is priceless....

http://cowboys.siegler.net/images/2002/18.jpg

Thanks for being so close to the action. That made it even sweeter! :)


This is priceless...

http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/04/11/17/texans1.jpg
The referee by Carr makes it sweeter.

bigcarlos
05-28-2005, 07:19 PM
That's all you Texan fans can say about Dallas. 19-10. So what? The team who lost to the Texans was a 5-11 team. It was a disposable season. Big deal, you won 1 regular season game 3 years ago.
:drool: 19 - 10......... :highfive:

TexansTrueFan
05-28-2005, 08:06 PM
yes us beating the cowboys during our first regular game was the best feeling i have ever felt, i still get chills when i think about it. David looks young in that pic,,,geez i cant believe we are already in our 4th year !

Huge
05-28-2005, 08:50 PM
Yes. This was the PR spin, not the actual way that it happened.

Thanks for expounding on how it actually happened.

Another point is that you can get Cowgirl merchandise at the flea market, so of course their merchandise sales will be higher than the Texans'. America's Team??? Why is it that the Raiders and the Packers outsell the girls? It is not that they have won 3 SBs in 4 years...

Yeah, it's the flea markets that are keeping Dallas in the top 5 and the Texans out of the top 10. You betcha. :rolleyes:

If Oakland or Green Bay want the title of "America's Team", I have no problem with that. Those that understand it's origins don't think much of it anyway. Those that don't usually let it get under their skin. Which are you?

I thought this was pretty funny:

http://cowboys.siegler.net/images/2002/capt.1031530244.cowboys_texans_htt104.jpg

But I like these even more:

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/15/sb-ring/images/SB06-SILO.jpghttp://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/15/sb-ring/images/SB12-SILO.jpghttp://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/15/sb-ring/images/SB27-SILO.jpghttp://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/15/sb-ring/images/SB28-SILO.jpghttp://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/15/sb-ring/images/SB30-SILO.jpg

WWJD
05-28-2005, 09:28 PM
Look guys we are for the most part adults on this board. I see a few younger but for the most part it's adults.

Do you like somebody telling you what make of car to drive? What type of house you should buy? What you should wear?

I don't...because I'm grown and I can make my own decisions.

It's the same with sports. People are going to like whatever team they want to like because they can. There are no rules or laws saying because you live here you have to like team X......I used an example of a friend I have in California. As far as I know he's never been in Pittsburgh and yet the Steelers are his team. Big deal! He's entitled to like them whether I like them or not. It's his choice.

This conversation about somebody being less of a fan or you must like this team because you live there is changing nobody's mind....you're wasting your time. People like teams because of uniforms, certain players, past records, coaches. There are a myriad of reasons. And it doesn't always involve geography.

WWJD
05-28-2005, 09:40 PM
[QUOTE=Huge]

Does Michael Irvin play a prisoner in the movie?

If he does he should feel comfortable playing that part. :heh:

The only reason I'm responding to this is because I've meet Michael in a Christian setting and he's a different man than he was when he played. He freely talks about all the mistakes he made as a example of how not to live your life.

I'd say Michael has done well. He's got a huge job with ESPN and his family has been restored. He's a committed Christian and he speaks freely and often of how he wasted precious years on drugs;how he betrayed his family and most of all how he lived a life of lies.

I guess it's funny to some and it's certainly your right to mock him but he's a guy that's made mistakes, admitted them and has moved on. Michael is a very nice guy. He has a testimony that helps people involved with drugs. He's doing the right things now.

WWJD
05-28-2005, 09:48 PM
Yes it's very good for Michael. He's making a difference rather than making a mess out of his life. Sometimes people DO change. He has.

WWJD
05-28-2005, 10:03 PM
If there's one thing I hate more than a Cowgirl fan it is a kiss up! :loser :homer:

Nothing personal Vinny! I do think you do a good job, but a kiss up (cleaner term for the mb) is always obvious...

And a few other things...The girls will not go to another SB until Jerrah is no longer the owner of the team. And when will girl fans realize the girls are no longer "America's Team"? They haven't been "America's Team" since the 70's.


So we're what mortal enemies because I like the Cowboys? Perhaps you should rethink the word "hate".....you use it so easily. You "hate" me because I'm a Cowboys fan? Ok...

StarStruck
05-29-2005, 12:21 AM
Yes it's very good for Michael. He's making a difference rather than making a mess out of his life. Sometimes people DO change. He has.

WWJD,
I saw Michael and his wife on T. D. Jakes program a couple of years ago. When he talked openly about his past behavior, the mistakes that he made, and his public apology to his wife and through tears, I found myself in tears also :crying:. Anyone that can go public to that extent without excuses has my respect, so much that I bought the tape.

However, there was always something I liked about Michael as a person, even when he was wearing his clown suit, and lord knows I was praying for the man, lol. I remember when Emmitt and Deion were regulars on TBN, and were talking about some of the Cowboys that were attending their church and bible studies, I remember thinking, yall, what about Michael. So when, the change came, I celebrated as if he was a family member--but I guess he is.

StarStruck
05-29-2005, 12:38 AM
[QUOTE=Huge]Deion Sanders

1996: arrested for fishing in an off-limits Florida airport lake

:violin Wow, usually a person gets a ticket. Property must have been owned by a Dolphin or Bucs fan. :)

2003: sued by auto body shop owner after he only paid $1,500 of a nearly $4,300 bill. He claimed that Jesus told him he only needed to pay $1,500.

Great that Deion is a businessman and did not allow himself to be taken advantage of. He did win that case. :highfive:

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-29-2005, 01:12 AM
If there's one thing I hate more than a Cowgirl fan it is a kiss up! :loser :homer:

Nothing personal Vinny! I do think you do a good job, but a kiss up (cleaner term for the mb) is always obvious...

And a few other things...The girls will not go to another SB until Jerrah is no longer the owner of the team. And when will girl fans realize the girls are no longer "America's Team"? They haven't been "America's Team" since the 70's.

Amazing Race, come on man, why the name calling? I'm simply giving credit when it's due to our admin, what's the big deal? I'm willing to admit the truth. I'll admit the Texans are a great orginization, Casserly is a genius, and I for one and about 99% of Cowboy fans are still jealous and bitter of our game on September 8th, 2002.

America's Team is my signature because I love it. I love the title. I love the tradition of excellence it brings. It makes me proud to be a Cowboy fan through the thick and the thin(see 19-10).

TexansTrueFan
05-29-2005, 01:37 AM
ON A FRIENDLY NOTE.

We went and saw the longest yard tonight, and it looked like micheal irvin played in it, i wasnt sure if it was him or not. If so he is bigger than i thought he was. well he wore jersey 88. Anyone know if that was him or not ?

StarStruck
05-29-2005, 04:22 AM
ON A FRIENDLY NOTE.

We went and saw the longest yard tonight, and it looked like micheal irvin played in it, i wasnt sure if it was him or not. If so he is bigger than i thought he was. well he wore jersey 88. Anyone know if that was him or not ?

Haven't seen the movie yet, but hope to catch a matinee next week. Michael Irvin played the role of Deacon Moss.

Huge
05-29-2005, 08:40 AM
Larry Brown

2002: arrested and charged with writing bad checks at Las Vegas casinos

Antonio Bryant

2001: arrested and accused of using a plane ticket purchased with a stolen credit card

2001: arrested on disorderly conduct charge after a run-in with a campus policeman over a parking ticket

Leonardo Carson

2004: received 30 days in jail after pleading guilty to trespassing and unlawful imprisonment.

Quincy Carter

2004: cut from the Cowboys after allegedly testing positive for illegal substance (rumored to be cocaine)

Shante Carver

1996: suspended for violating league substance abuse by-laws

Cory Fleming

1995: suspended for violating league drug policy

Dwayne Goodrich

2003: sentenced to 7 years in prison and fined $20,000 for a hit-and-run accident that killed two men in January

Darren Hambrick

1999: charged with fleeing a law enforcement officer and resisting an officer without violence. The arresting deputy reported a "a very strong odor of unburned marijuana" inside the pickup truck.

Bob Hayes

1979: served 10 months in prison for delivering narcotics to an undercover police officer

Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson

1979: cut from the Cowboys because of drug problems

1983: arrested after smoking crack cocaine with two teenage girls; police said he threatened the girls with a pistol, sexually assaulted one of them, and held them against their will; he served 28 months in jail

Clayton Holmes

1995: suspended for a year following a positive drug test, reportedly for cocaine

Antonio Hutson

2000: arrested on an outstanding warrant (for failure to appear in court) after being stopped for speeding; additionally, police found a pistol in his car- Hutson did not have a permit to carry the gun

Michael Irvin

1996: charged with misdemeanor possession of marijuana, felony possession of cocaine

1997: accused by a 23-year-old Dallas woman of holding a gun to her head while teammate Erik Williams and a third (unidentified) man raped her

1998: reportedly sliced teammate Everett McIver's neck in a fight during training camp; McIver was said to have been paid off by Jerry Jones to not bring charges against Irvin

2000: charged with misdemeanor possession of marijuana

2001: charged with felony possession of cocaine

Keyshawn Johnson

2004: ordered to stay away from ex-wife's boyfriend for allegedly threatening to kill him
Jerry Jones

1998: reportedly paid Everett McIver not to bring charges against Michael Irvin for an incident in which Irvin sliced McIver's neck with a pair of scissors

1999: jailed on a charge of fleeing the scene of a traffic stop

Leon Lett

1996: one-year suspension for a second violation of the NFL's drug policy.

Harvey Martin

1996: jailed on domestic violence and cocaine charges

Nate Newton

2001: arrested in Louisiana after police said they found 213 pounds of marijuana in a van he was driving

Solomon Page

2000: charged with disorderly conduct and obstructing police

Lance Rentzel

1970: arrested for exposing himself to a 10-year-old girl

1973: pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana

Derek Ross

2001: charged with speeding, furnishing false information and driving under a suspended license

Deion Sanders

1996: arrested for fishing in an off-limits Florida airport lake

2003: sued by auto body shop owner after he only paid $1,500 of a nearly $4,300 bill. He claimed that Jesus told him he only needed to pay $1,500

Rafael Septien

1987: convicted on an indecency charge with a minor

Alonzo Spellman

1998: arrested on outstanding weapons warrant

2002: arrested on charges of drunk driving, driving with a suspended license, and destroying property

2002: arrested for ransacking his brother's house; charged with making terrorist threats, criminal mischief and hindering apprehension

2002: pleaded guilty to interfering with a flight crew

Mark Stepnoski

President of Texas NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws); admitted to using marijuana while playing for the Dallas Cowboys

Barry Switzer

1997: arrested for carrying a loaded revolver in his carry-on bag at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport

Mark Tuinei

1999: died from drug overdose

Dimitrius Underwood

2000: arrested for reckless driving

2003: found mentally incompetent to stand trial on charges he robbed a man in a wheelchair; charged in November with one count of robbery and an assault count for allegedly punching an Irving police officer in an altercation

Erik Williams

1994: received two years' probation on a misdemeanor drunken driving offense

1995: accused of sexually assaulting a 17 year old girl at his North Dallas home

1997: accused of rape by a 23-year-old Dallas woman

Sherman Williams

2000: convicted of charges of conspiracy and attempting to possess marijuana in a multi-state operation

2001: pleaded guilty to charges of passing counterfeit currency

Peppi Zellner

2003: charged with possession of crack cocaine with intent to distribute.

Larry Brown - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 2004.
Antonio Bryant - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 2001 (or presently).
Leonardo Carson - Has been on the team for 6 years. 1 infraction in 6 years?
Quincy Carter - Was cut after "allegedly" testing positive?
Dwayne Goodrich - Was cut after his incident.
Thomas Henderson - Cut from Dallas because of drugs (bad on Dallas?). Not a member of Dallas Cowboys in 1983.
Antonio Hutson - Who?
Derek Ross - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 2001.
Alonzo Spellman - Suffers from bipolar disease. If you're not sure what that is, you should look it up.
Mark Tuinei - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 1999.
Dimitrius Underwood - Suffers from bipolar disease. Again, look it up.
Erik Williams - "Accused" but never found guilty. Won a $1 million lawsuit (along with Michael Irvin) against the DMN for reporting false information. Accuser was charged (and convicted) of perjury.
Sherman Williams - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 2000 or 2001.
Peppi Zellner - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 2003.

Take out the ones that you're reaching on and it looks like any other NFL team. Heck, don't take out the ones you reached on and it still looks like any other NFL team.

Texans (in their brief existence)...
Jabar Gaffney - Charged with stealing from lockers during high school football game
Ramon Walker - Charged with public intoxication and trespassing
Marcus Coleman - Charged with driving while intoxicated
Bryan Pittman - Arrested on suspicion for driving while intoxicated.

And those are just the ones I pulled off the top of my head. Looks like they're well on their way towards keeping up the Texas tradition, eh? :)

DFAN
05-29-2005, 08:58 AM
Larry Brown - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 2004.
Antonio Bryant - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 2001 (or presently).
Leonardo Carson - Has been on the team for 6 years. 1 infraction in 6 years?
Quincy Carter - Was cut after "allegedly" testing positive?
Dwayne Goodrich - Was cut after his incident.
Thomas Henderson - Cut from Dallas because of drugs (bad on Dallas?). Not a member of Dallas Cowboys in 1983.
Antonio Hutson - Who?
Derek Ross - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 2001.
Alonzo Spellman - Suffers from bipolar disease. If you're not sure what that is, you should look it up.
Mark Tuinei - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 1999.
Dimitrius Underwood - Suffers from bipolar disease. Again, look it up.
Erik Williams - "Accused" but never found guilty. Won a $1 million lawsuit (along with Michael Irvin) against the DMN for reporting false information. Accuser was charged (and convicted) of perjury.
Sherman Williams - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 2000 or 2001.
Peppi Zellner - Not a member of the Dallas Cowboys in 2003.

Take out the ones that you're reaching on and it looks like any other NFL team. Heck, don't take out the ones you reached on and it still looks like any other NFL team.

Texans (in their brief existence)...
Jabar Gaffney - Charged with stealing from lockers during high school football game
Ramon Walker - Charged with public intoxication and trespassing
Marcus Coleman - Charged with driving while intoxicated
Bryan Pittman - Arrested on suspicion for driving while intoxicated.

And those are just the ones I pulled off the top of my head. Looks like they're well on their way towards keeping up the Texas tradition, eh? :)


Great post Huge.

Newton was not a member of the Cowboys at the time of his arrest. Sanders was not a Cowboys in 2003 either. Arrested for fishing? Wow that is some criminal that Sanders.

Wolf
05-29-2005, 09:09 AM
I don't get the 19-10 thing anymore.. because for that game their is last years Cleveland game and 3 years ago Cincy game.


with that said.. one of the worst moments in Dallas sports history

has to be Super Bowl 13
The Cowboys' Jackie Smith drops a sure touchdown pass in the waning moments of the third quarter.

http://www.supernfl.com/SuperBowl/sb13.html

final score was 35-31 ..that might have been the difference maker there ..kinda along the lines of Renfro's "non catch" in the endzone..swings the ole momentum

DFAN
05-29-2005, 12:40 PM
Well I found this from ESPN Classic. I kinda remembered him being fired instantly and it shocked me. I think that is the day I stopped respecting the Cowboys. Tom Landry was a class act and JJ didn't have the class to at least have a meeting with him and inform him professionally. But thats the way Jerry works, it's his team. He can do what he wants I guess. Tom Landry deserved better though.


Landry wanted to coach into the 1990s, but on Feb. 25, 1989, Jones bought the Cowboys from H.R. "Bum" Bright and then interrupted Landry's golf game to inform the coach he was being replaced by Jimmy Johnson.

Angered by the move, Landry held a grudge against Jones until 1993. The cold war ended when Landry agreed to appear at Texas Stadium for induction into the Cowboys' ring of honor.

"The whole Cowboys image came from him," Staubach said. "Tom will always make the Dallas Cowboys more than a football team."

FYI (http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Landry_Tom.html)


I've seen and read different stories on it so I don't really know what happen.

Just curious. You said you stop respecting the Cowboys around that time. Were you a fan or just had respect for them?

JustBonee
05-29-2005, 12:41 PM
Some of us (me) are just plain tired of having talk of the Cowboys forced on us....in the newspapers, media .. and on our Texans message board.

I don't care what the Cowboys do. I really don't. I don't care who is on their team, and what they are doing on a daily basis. I don't want to read about their team, and listen to the talk about their past, and their glory days. That's the past. It doesn't interest me to know that they have found religion and are trying to stay out of jail.
You can dissect it and give praise and excuses wherever, but I find that long list of criminal activity of past and present Cowboys boring.


Tom Landry was a very good man.

Huge
05-29-2005, 01:20 PM
Some of us (me) are just plain tired of having talk of the Cowboys forced on us....in the newspapers, media .. and on our Texans message board.

That is certainly understable. But when you're dealing with the most popular team in Texas, it's bound to happen. ;)

Well I found this from ESPN Classic. I kinda remembered him being fired instantly and it shocked me. I think that is the day I stopped respecting the Cowboys. Tom Landry was a class act and JJ didn't have the class to at least have a meeting with him and inform him professionally. But thats the way Jerry works, it's his team. He can do what he wants I guess. Tom Landry deserved better though.


Landry wanted to coach into the 1990s, but on Feb. 25, 1989, Jones bought the Cowboys from H.R. "Bum" Bright and then interrupted Landry's golf game to inform the coach he was being replaced by Jimmy Johnson.

Angered by the move, Landry held a grudge against Jones until 1993. The cold war ended when Landry agreed to appear at Texas Stadium for induction into the Cowboys' ring of honor.

"The whole Cowboys image came from him," Staubach said. "Tom will always make the Dallas Cowboys more than a football team."

FYI (http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Landry_Tom.html)

Well, that's one version. Here's another (not to be taken seriously)... (http://www.studyworld.com/basementpapers/papers/stack10_15.html)

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-29-2005, 01:32 PM
Some of us (me) are just plain tired of having talk of the Cowboys forced on us....in the newspapers, media .. and on our Texans message board.

Guess you gotta live with it, after all, we are the Cowboys.

BradK10
05-29-2005, 01:35 PM
leon lett, and THEN everyone else. there is no one who was a bigger embarassment to the city of dallas

TexansTrueFan
05-29-2005, 02:08 PM
Guess you gotta live with it, after all, we are the Cowboys.


na we dont have to live with it on OUR message boards. Maybe through the media but not here.............................................. . dont yall have ur own message boards where you can talk about how good you USED to be ?

WWJD
05-29-2005, 02:08 PM
Nope, I will keep the word "hate". You should not take it literally because I do not "hate" anyone. But I do "hate" teams and fans of teams in the context of sports. If you don't think players from one team "hate" the opposition within the context of the game, you do not know much about the competitive spirit in sports. When the Texans do something good on the field, do you get up and scream or do you give an opera-style applause? If you scream, you better be careful...that is too mean-spirited.

I am a Christian, so I do not need to be lectured on Christian values. This is a football board and football is a sport of aggression. My hatred, as stated before is in the spirit of the sport. If you do not like it, I suppose this is not the right forum for you. Get off your :soapbox: You have thin skin...


I'll leave this be because it's obviously going to get out of hand if it hasn't already...I didn't use the word christian anywhere in my post so I am not lecturing you on your values. I know NOTHING about your values. I merely was asking you why you said what you said.....which you answered. So there was no soapbox to stand on and I have pretty thick skin BTW..I exfoliate daily. How this got off into a lecture on Christian values is something you dreamed up.....

WWJD
05-29-2005, 02:11 PM
ON A FRIENDLY NOTE.

We went and saw the longest yard tonight, and it looked like micheal irvin played in it, i wasnt sure if it was him or not. If so he is bigger than i thought he was. well he wore jersey 88. Anyone know if that was him or not ?


Yes he's in the movie. I haven't read a review of the current movie but I really liked the one with Burt Reynolds in it.

JustBonee
05-29-2005, 02:11 PM
That is certainly understable. But when you're dealing with the most popular team in Texas, it's bound to happen. ;)


Guess you gotta live with it, after all, we are the Cowboys.
:brickwall .. :brickwall

Didn't your Momma teach you that you can't force LOVE on someone? :club:

TexansTrueFan
05-29-2005, 02:16 PM
I'll leave this be because it's obviously going to get out of hand if it hasn't already...I didn't use the word christian anywhere in my post so I am not lecturing you on your values. I know NOTHING about your values. I merely was asking you why you said what you said.....which you answered. So there was no soapbox to stand on and I have pretty thick skin BTW..I exfoliate daily. How this got off into a lecture on Christian values is something you dreamed up.....


WWJD ur name prolly makes some people think ur turning convo into spiritual talk.

Huge
05-29-2005, 02:25 PM
:brickwall .. :brickwall

Didn't your Momma teach you that you can't force LOVE on someone? :club:

Well, she tried. But it's hard to be humble... ;)

WWJD
05-29-2005, 02:28 PM
I never said a thing in my question to the guy about his Christian values or anything along that line. I simply asked if he hated me and he answered the question. But yea you're right. WWJD speaks volumes.

StarStruck
05-29-2005, 02:30 PM
How do those games compare to losing to an expansion team in their first ever regular season game?


19-10!

Losing a SUPERBOWL game is huge!!! :crying: 19-10 was embarrassing for a season, rather a week. Then it was all worth it when some noted bad decision makers (coaches) were allowed to pursue other interests. :highfive:

I respected and liked Tom Landry tremendously, and was saddened by his abrupt firing. Then again, I don't know the details of what was offered prior to the public awareness of the situation. However, in sports, your job is tied in to your performance, your teams performance even injured, so based on that his job security was at risk. :twocents:

Huge
05-29-2005, 04:01 PM
By "those games" I think he means the Texans losing to the Browns last season and to the Bengals a few years back...not Dallas losing Super Bowls.

In any case, winning any NFL game these days is not a given. It doesn't matter if it's an expansion team playing their first ever game or what. Do you think the Patriots are still embarrassed over losing to the Dolphins last year? If not, why would you think Dallas is still embarassed over a game played more than 3 years ago?

WWJD
05-29-2005, 05:11 PM
I've gotten PM's before Amazing. I will check that. Don't worry about it. In retrospect it was inappropriate for me to question you; you are entitled to your opinion and if I had put any thought into your post I would have known what you meant. So I'm to blame for the misunderstanding and I am sorry about the way I worded my post. I wasn't trying to stir anything up but I did I guess and that was wrong of me.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
05-29-2005, 08:01 PM
:brickwall .. :brickwall

Didn't your Momma teach you that you can't force LOVE on someone? :club:

ROFL, I can see how you got the sassy in sassytexan http://www.cowboys-forum.com/forum/images/cowboys_smilies/cool_shades.gif

:jk: