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CloakNNNdagger
12-11-2011, 08:27 PM
I know it's easy to ***** about the refs. But it seemed like we couldn't catch a break with this group. They never missed a chance to nail us. They called all the legitimate penalties against us.......and then some. For example, that pass interference call that should have been a simple illegal contact. They seemed to go totally blind with obvious plays that should have been called against the Bengals, such as lining up in the neutral zone and DE offsides, several pass interferences.

Stemp
12-11-2011, 08:30 PM
Yeah, but the PI call against Pacman on Jacoby was huge.

TheMatrix31
12-11-2011, 08:33 PM
Yeah, but the PI call against Pacman on Jacoby was huge.

Poetic justice for Pacman spitting on Vickers.

LikeMike
12-11-2011, 08:33 PM
Plus we had a false start on the final TD pass (Winston) - all in all I think it was called fair.

The Cush
12-11-2011, 08:34 PM
I think they were bad on both sides. 2 blatant facemasks were missed for both teams, one against Antonio and another against a Bengal taking down Yates. Arian's fumble that started that long scrum was horrible to say that was a completed pass. Also on the final drive I felt Eric Winston started wayyy early on one play I was surprised they didnt call false start on that one

brakos82
12-11-2011, 08:39 PM
Plus we had a false start on the final TD pass (Winston) - all in all I think it was called fair.

Actually, maybe it was just me, but Winston seemed to jump a split second early A LOT (~75%) on that final drive.

The Cush
12-11-2011, 08:40 PM
Actually, maybe it was just me, but Winston seemed to jump a split second early A LOT (~75%) on that final drive.

Not just you, I noticed it and was surprised he kept getting away with it

Imatexanfan
12-11-2011, 09:02 PM
the obvious facemask non call with the ref standing right in front of Yates that they missed...I was like GTFOH :spit:

Big Lou
12-11-2011, 09:21 PM
OD got held the play before JJ's hold from pacman. The non call on Yate's face mask/head almost resulted in a broken TV. Did anyone notice the clock at 7:10 left in the 4th?

Corrosion
12-11-2011, 09:52 PM
They also missed a facemask penalty on Antonio Smith .....:kitten:

GP
12-11-2011, 09:55 PM
We got away with some false starts at the end of the game. At least TWO, if not one more.

If it wasn't a false start...then it was dang close to being one.

All in all, it got called evenly.

ziggy29
12-11-2011, 09:56 PM
We got away with some false starts at the end of the game. At least TWO, if not one more.

If it wasn't a false start...then it was dang close to being one.

All in all, it got called evenly.
I have no problems with it overall. They missed some on both sides. And in the end, the biggest call of the game -- the PI call against Pacman on JJ -- went our way.

Fred
12-11-2011, 10:01 PM
I have no problems with it overall. They missed some on both sides. And in the end, the biggest call of the game -- the PI call against Pacman on JJ -- went our way.

Pacman had a hold on Jacoby's arm for about 15 yards (from the 7 to the 2 but they were running laterally). I got the impression that Pacman wanted to go steady with JJ...

ziggy29
12-11-2011, 10:08 PM
Pacman had a hold on Jacoby's arm for about 15 yards (from the 7 to the 2 but they were running laterally). I got the impression that Pacman wanted to go steady with JJ...
Yeah -- which is why I haven't heard any reasonably objective Bengals fans whining about the call.

TimeKiller
12-11-2011, 10:11 PM
Antonio's facemask was pretty bad but I think he paid up for it last week with that roughing the passer. Other than that I didn't think it was too bad. I thought Foster caught it and dropped it live, then the replay I couldn't really tell.

texanhead08
12-11-2011, 10:43 PM
It wasn't near as bad as it usually is considering who the lead referee was. That guy usually ****s us with no Vaseline.

Corrosion
12-11-2011, 10:46 PM
Antonio's facemask was pretty bad but I think he paid up for it last week with that roughing the passer. Other than that I didn't think it was too bad. I thought Foster caught it and dropped it live, then the replay I couldn't really tell.

Go back and watch the replay - the one after the comercial break. It shows the play from behind and its pretty clear that he never had possession.

NastyNate
12-11-2011, 10:58 PM
Go back and watch the replay - the one after the comercial break. It shows the play from behind and its pretty clear that he never had possession.

Bullshi7, If that were in the endzone every fan here would be clamoring for hochuly's head. That was a catch and fumble, called a catch and fumble, and it was too close to overturn.

Fred
12-11-2011, 11:14 PM
Bullshi7, If that were in the endzone every fan here would be clamoring for hochuly's head. That was a catch and fumble, called a catch and fumble, and it was too close to overturn.

And I call Bullshi14 on this. Check out the game against SD last year. Foster catches the ball in the endzone has control runs 2 steps, stumbles and sets the ball down/drops the ball - incomplete. He had a lot less possession of the ball on this one. So the way they have been calling these the last 2 years - this was clearly incomplete also. Although I agree with you that they would have called this incomplete if it had happened it the endzone.

Dread-Head
12-11-2011, 11:16 PM
the obvious facemask non call with the ref standing right in front of Yates that they missed...I was like GTFOH :spit:



I was pissed about that one too. I guess the league wants to protect QBs...provided those QBs are named Brady, Manning and Brees.

NastyNate
12-11-2011, 11:22 PM
And I call Bullshi14 on this. Check out the game against SD last year. Foster catches the ball in the endzone has control runs 2 steps, stumbles and sets the ball down/drops the ball - incomplete. He had a lot less possession of the ball on this one. So the way they have been calling these the last 2 years - this was clearly incomplete also. Although I agree with you that they would have called this incomplete if it had happened it the endzone.

I agree on your sentiments that the Foster catch ruled incomplete, was indeed, 100%, no question, a TD. That was a completely blown call. Look at the ruling though for this game, posession with two feet down. They call this situation so differently. If this were on the sideline with the knockdown falling out of bounds, it's an incomplete pass. If this is in the endzone, incomplete. If it's in open field play, complete pass. It doesn't appease me one bit but rules is rules.

ObsiWan
12-12-2011, 02:49 AM
I agree on your sentiments that the Foster catch ruled incomplete, was indeed, 100%, no question, a TD. That was a completely blown call. Look at the ruling though for this game, posession with two feet down. They call this situation so differently. If this were on the sideline with the knockdown falling out of bounds, it's an incomplete pass. If this is in the endzone, incomplete. If it's in open field play, complete pass. It doesn't appease me one bit but rules is rules.

I thought you had to SECURE the ball, then "make a football move" before it was a catch. I've watched that play 4-5 times and Foster never "secured the ball"; he was bobbling it when the ball came loose.

That was NOT a catch.

BigBull17
12-12-2011, 09:59 AM
Bullshi7, If that were in the endzone every fan here would be clamoring for hochuly's head. That was a catch and fumble, called a catch and fumble, and it was too close to overturn.

That was a horrible ruling. He never really had control of the ball. If Winston doesn't recover it, we are ****ed and lose that game.

BigWig
12-12-2011, 10:10 AM
usually when we have Ed Hercules as our ref we lose, but not this time so I am thankful to get that monkey off our back!

Maddict5
12-12-2011, 10:27 AM
the arian 'fumble' was a terrible call but we got away with it. cant moan too much apart from that- we got lucky on the 4th & 1 at the end. alot of refs wouldve given encroachment on barwin in that situation which wouldve ended the game. they were also big enough to give us a fair PI call away from home < 1 min left when alot of others would swallow their whistles

ziggy29
12-12-2011, 10:29 AM
they were also big enough to give us a fair PI call away from home < 1 min left when alot of others would swallow their whistles
I get the feeling that the pre-2011 Texans never, ever, ever get that call, even if it were fairly blatant.

And if you want bad calls, we can start with London Fletcher's "personal foul" on Brady the Untouchable. That was pure garbage from Jeff Triplette's crew.

ChampionTexan
12-12-2011, 10:42 AM
Yesterday was a bad day league wide for NFL officials (see uncalled facemask on DeAndre Levy in Lions/Vikes game). The Texans game was absolutely no exception to this trend, but fortunately, I don't really think it favored either team and the zebra's mistakes were pretty evenly made.

I do think that fumble call and confirmation via review was one (or would that be two?) of those bad calls that went against us. Props to the Texans for being able to overcome that and for taking advantage of the blown calls that went our way.

ObsiWan
12-12-2011, 10:43 AM
I get the feeling that the pre-2011 Texans never, ever, ever get that call, even if it were fairly blatant.

And if you want bad calls, we can start with London Fletcher's "personal foul" on Brady the Untouchable. That was pure garbage from Jeff Triplette's crew.

Mike Golic (on Mike & Mike) just spent about 15 solid minutes railing about the bad officiating this past weekend. The Brady call was one of those he was on about.

drunkcookie
12-12-2011, 10:45 AM
I agree on your sentiments that the Foster catch ruled incomplete, was indeed, 100%, no question, a TD. That was a completely blown call. Look at the ruling though for this game, posession with two feet down. They call this situation so differently. If this were on the sideline with the knockdown falling out of bounds, it's an incomplete pass. If this is in the endzone, incomplete. If it's in open field play, complete pass. It doesn't appease me one bit but rules is rules.

While making his football move, Foster was bobbling the ball... So before Foster completed a football move he had begun to lose possession... Point blank, that's almost never ruled a catch on a review... I personally don't even see how it was too close to overturn... Maybe they didn't have the last angle we saw, which was very obvious...

As i see it, and probably as most NFL fans see it, the head officials who go to that booth have set a precedent in previous years that would suggest that pass was incomplete...



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drunkcookie
12-12-2011, 10:56 AM
I do think that fumble call and confirmation via review was one (or would that be two?) of those bad calls that went against us. .

To be fair, the completion+fumble was not confirmed, it just stood, which tells me Hock had his doubts about that being a completion+fumble......

I don't know how these head refs work when it comes to using discretion, but maybe it was a situational ruling... Had Cincy recovered the ball inside the Texans five, maybe Hock overturns... But since Houston regained possession on the play, maybe he said "screw it, they didn't lose it so i won't overturn it."


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ziggy29
12-12-2011, 11:07 AM
Mike Golic (on Mike & Mike) just spent about 15 solid minutes railing about the bad officiating this past weekend. The Brady call was one of those he was on about.

Yeah, and when I saw the officials huddling after the flag was thrown, I thought they might pick up the flag. Being that it was Brady being hit, I should have known better. I'm developing a picture of that officials "conference" playing out like this:

Official 1: "I got 59 for a late hit on Brady. Any hit on Brady, really. 15 yards and an automatic first down."

Official 2: "I saw another angle. It wasn't a late hit. He launched himself for a hit to the midsection before Tom even went into a slide. No way he can stop the hit and it was clean when he started it. Brady wasn't even down when Fletcher made contact."

Official 3: "There has to be a way out of this. I mean, it's *Tom Brady*, man. You can't hit Tom Brady. We can't pick up this flag."

Official 1: How about we invent a new excuse? Like we thought 59 threw a forearm at the Anointed One's head? That will send a message to defenders that you can't hit guys named Brady or Manning."

Official 2: "I'm telling you, it wasn't a hit to the head. It was clean."

Official 1: "Yeah, but it's a fast game, we can pretend that's what we saw. We have to find something because we can't call a penalty for simply 'hitting Tom Brady'."

Official 4: "Sounds good to me. He's lucky we don't eject him for hitting Tom Brady. Make the call, Jeff."

Malloy
12-12-2011, 11:17 AM
Poetic justice for Pacman spitting on Vickers.

He did that? You kidding righT?