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EllisUnit
01-01-2012, 09:28 PM
I think the second one was caught for a lot of yards.

I'll watch the game again tomorrow, but I don't think the first one was caught.

Watching the game from the stands, again his coverage was very solid.

When Washington made that catch, I knew that would be the play that everyone is upset about. Nevermind all the other plays where his receiver was not considered an option.

I understand at times his receiver may be so far down on the progression the QB just never gets to him. But Kareem played a large number of snaps... 35 pass playes, not counting the three sacks & he was thrown at less than a handful of times.

That's pretty good coverage, especially for a 2nd year player.

I admit that KJ had good coverage for most of the game, he looked solid. My only grip is he never ever locates the ball, even on the TD allen gave up, he was clearly beat but still located the ball and made the best attempt he could to time it and break up the play.

EllisUnit
01-01-2012, 09:29 PM
I can agree with this.

It's a learning curve.
He still needs to get better.

BTW, can somebody explain to me Allen's technique on that fade route by Avery on the TD?

Leebig?

technique was "getting beat" haha, i dunno man it looked like he was expecting a little deeper of an endzone fase route, but the WR broke it off really early and Allen could never recover.

thunderkyss
01-01-2012, 09:29 PM
I admit that KJ had good coverage for most of the game, he looked solid. My only grip is he never ever locates the ball, even on the TD allen gave up, he was clearly beat but still located the ball and made the best attempt he could to time it and break up the play.

I understand this. However, Kj is a 2nd year player. Allen is a 7th year vet & both were catches for touchdowns.

EllisUnit
01-01-2012, 09:31 PM
I understand this. However, Kj is a 2nd year player. Allen is a 7th year vet & both were catches for touchdowns.

as i stated above, allen was beat but still located the ball and did his best to time it and break up the pass, although he never had a shot to break it up anyways.

jtexas
01-01-2012, 09:53 PM
Kj did not have a "really good season". He had a decent season. A not poor season. He was better than last year. If you think kj was really good your expectations are low.

We need to stop judging his performance as if he will suddenly turn it on any game now. He is rated as the 76th best cover corner and last year he was near last. He is still a glaring weakness and has no ball skills. Reminds me of Jacques Reeves where he doesn't even try to play the ball.

thunderkyss
01-01-2012, 10:21 PM
We need to stop judging his performance as if he will suddenly turn it on any game now. He is rated as the 76th best cover corner and last year he was near last. He is still a glaring weakness and has no ball skills. Reminds me of Jacques Reeves where he doesn't even try to play the ball.


Well, rankings & ratings use stats like Int's & passes defended & tackles, etc.. to rank these players.

I've watched Atlanta, Cincy, New Orleans, Baltimore, & Pittsburgh after we've played them & their receivers have been going off. None of them looked like that when they played us.

Our pass rush is definitely helping, but the secondary has got to do their part as well.

Matt Hasselbeck has been spreading the ball around very well the last few weeks... he targeted Kj twice, maybe three times.

Carr Bombed
01-01-2012, 10:25 PM
The guy fell down again today... sorry, but even the people on the radio said it.. "Kareem Jackson is not a starting CB in this league and will not be starting next season", they basically said he sucks. Sorry 76, you were wrong with your analysis on Kareem (Jesus Christ..you've made every excuse under the sun for this guy..you have to be running out of them by now) and this thread just needs to go away.

Kareem Jackson sucks. I ended up being wrong about Chris Myers and you're wrong here...just admit it and move on. The kid is a 1st round BUST...it happens.

beerlover
01-01-2012, 10:26 PM
The guy fell down again today... sorry, but even the people on the radio said it.. Kareem Jackson is not a starting CB in this league and he sucks. Sorry 76, you were wrong with your analysis on Kareem and this thread just needs to go away.

Kareem Jackson sucks. I ended up being wrong about Chris Myers and you're wrong here...just admit it and move on. The kid is a 1st round BUST...it happens.

not until he is no longer a Texan :hankpalm:

Carr Bombed
01-01-2012, 10:30 PM
I can agree with this.

It's a learning curve.
He still needs to get better.

BTW, can somebody explain to me Allen's technique on that fade route by Avery on the TD?

Leebig?

IDK...why don't you explain it.. It was almost the same thing KJ did against Reggie Wayne and you had no problem explaining (excusing) that technique.

leebigeztx
01-01-2012, 10:36 PM
Which safety blew his coverage that kj man to get a bomb? 76texan, pull up ur still photos from 05 to show how the safeties were at fault. Allen didn't get a jam, got beat, td. Kj just got smoked like petey faggins vs lee evans. Point being, kj nor allen are #2 quality corners. Good qbs will always find kj or allen and expose them even as 3rd cbs. Try matching up with the 3wr sets in the nfl nowdays. In the nfl, the 3rd cb plays over 60% of the snaps. He plays more than the slb. If the texans want to be elite in terms of secondary play, kareem and allen are liabilities in the passing game.

PapaL
01-01-2012, 10:43 PM
Take a look at basically every good CB playing right now: how was their rookie year? Their second year? How is the best CB project (Petersen) of the last years playing right now? NFL is different from College - and last year the whole defense was a mess. He was thrown into an impossible situation and failed miserably. This year in a good situation he played pretty well most games - and made some mistakes. His improvement from the start of last year to where he is now is real big - so Id say there is a real good chance that he will get even better with the right coaching and more experience.

Oh, and does anyone else notice how this thread always pops up, when he makes a mistake, but then disappers sometimes for several weeks when he plays decent? All eyes are on this kid and everybody waits for him to make a mistake - and when he does people tear him apart...


Are you seriously trying to explain how football works to me?

Has he improved? Yes. From falling every other to snap to a few times a game is an improvement. Call me crazy for wanting competent play at CB. He may have had a good game today but is it really a good game when the opposing team is targeting the CB that is worse than you?

Come on man...

hradhak
01-01-2012, 10:45 PM
I agree that KJ has improved since last year where he was placed in an impossible situation. My problem with him is that there are so many plays that he could break up if actually located the ball. I haven't really seen him turn around on deep routes. If he can start locating the ball he'll be a decent corner. Right now he's a good tackler and a below average cover corner. I imagine the 3rd season will tell us what his ceiling is and if he's already reached it, I think it is time to think about him as a safety.

clutch
01-01-2012, 10:45 PM
all i want him to do is to make a play for the ball..why not turn ur head???

Carr Bombed
01-01-2012, 10:47 PM
Which safety blew his coverage that kj man to get a bomb? 76texan, pull up ur still photos from 05 to show how the safeties were at fault. Allen didn't get a jam, got beat, td. Kj just got smoked like petey faggins vs lee evans. Point being, kj nor allen are #2 quality corners. Good qbs will always find kj or allen and expose them even as 3rd cbs. Try matching up with the 3wr sets in the nfl nowdays. In the nfl, the 3rd cb plays over 60% of the snaps. He plays more than the slb. If the texans want to be elite in terms of secondary play, kareem and allen are liabilities in the passing game.

I actually think Allen can be a #2 corner in this league (as long as you have the pass rush infront of him, which we do have). You aren't going to have a probowler on each side..it just isn't going to happen. The difference between Allen and Jackson is...when Allen is beat, he actually has a little thing called MAKE UP SPEED, which you HAVE TO HAVE to start in the league and he actually makes plays on the ball occasionally, which is something Kareem Jackson can't even say much less do.

There is still a definite role for Jason Allen on this team...there needs to be a definite less role for Kareem Jackson on this team (another difference between the two). Having said all this...sadly Houston needs to address this issue AGAIN during some time in this year's draft.

EllisUnit
01-01-2012, 11:01 PM
Which safety blew his coverage that kj man to get a bomb? 76texan, pull up ur still photos from 05 to show how the safeties were at fault. Allen didn't get a jam, got beat, td. Kj just got smoked like petey faggins vs lee evans. Point being, kj nor allen are #2 quality corners. Good qbs will always find kj or allen and expose them even as 3rd cbs. Try matching up with the 3wr sets in the nfl nowdays. In the nfl, the 3rd cb plays over 60% of the snaps. He plays more than the slb. If the texans want to be elite in terms of secondary play, kareem and allen are liabilities in the passing game.

i am so sick of hearing how every time KJ gets beat its cause a safety blows his coverage, according to 76 the safties always play the other side to help the othe CB out and not KJ, now ALL OF THE SUDDEN a safety blows a play and makes KJ look bad, give me a break, its statments like this that make people rag ok KJ so much.

PapaL
01-01-2012, 11:02 PM
You know what kills me? How we can't cover short quick routes on short distances...mainly because we are lined up so far off the WR. I mean yeah it's better than being burned deep but geez. Ref both Allen a KJax.

thunderkyss
01-01-2012, 11:07 PM
The guy fell down again today... sorry, but even the people on the radio said it.. "Kareem Jackson is not a starting CB in this league and will not be starting next season", they basically said he sucks.

Well that settles it. If the guys on the radio says he sucks, he sucks.

thunderkyss
01-01-2012, 11:08 PM
IDK...why don't you explain it.. It was almost the same thing KJ did against Reggie Wayne and you had no problem explaining (excusing) that technique.

I'm pretty sure that's his point.

Rey
01-01-2012, 11:09 PM
I think the second one was caught for a lot of yards.

I'll watch the game again tomorrow, but I don't think the first one was caught.

Watching the game from the stands, again his coverage was very solid.

When Washington made that catch, I knew that would be the play that everyone is upset about. Nevermind all the other plays where his receiver was not considered an option.

I understand at times his receiver may be so far down on the progression the QB just never gets to him. But Kareem played a large number of snaps... 35 pass playes, not counting the three sacks & he was thrown at less than a handful of times.

That's pretty good coverage, especially for a 2nd year player.

I disagree with your logic.

I doubt QB's look at Kareem and think to themselves..."hmmm, I'll shy away from throwing the ball there because he is so great in coverage".

Not being thrown at has a lot to do with who the QB is throwing to and what his other options are. Their TE was doing good today. He was feeding a hot player. Maybe he felt like Kareem was better than Allen. Maybe the play design dictated where the ball was supposed to go. Maybe the QB was just reading the coverage and hitting the guy that came open due to the play they ran and the coverage we ran. Some routes just work better against certain coverages.

When we played the Falcons just about every pass on their last drive went Kareem's was despite the fact that he had tight coverage. But Matt Ryan obviously saw something coverage wise (1 on 1, Julio is a good target, maybe they were doubling Roddy White, Julio was closer to the sideline and could get out of bounds if a completion was made).

Also, you are forgetting the play where Kareem slipped and the WR was piss wide open behind him and hassleback just threw a bad ball.

Brice McCain has had a pretty good season at the nickel spot, but QB's still throw his way.

I think you are putting too much stock into not a lot of balls being thrown his way especially when the few times the ball does come his way he looks less than spectacular.

When Revis is on Andre, we still throw the ball there because Andre is a beast.

There have been other games where Andre hasn't gotten many looks and that may or may not have anything to do with the CB he's facing playing tight coverage.

EllisUnit
01-01-2012, 11:16 PM
Well that settles it. If the guys on the radio says he sucks, he sucks.

Greg Cossell, the guy with all the coaches' tapes in the world said before the season that he believed KJ will be a quality CB.

I also mentioned somebody who was with Lance Z talking about "somebody with coach tapes" credited Jackson's plays with helping the front 7 do their job.

On the other point, I was talking about the "pros" like in "the media".


well tell ur boy that

Rey
01-01-2012, 11:25 PM
I can agree with this.

It's a learning curve.
He still needs to get better.

BTW, can somebody explain to me Allen's technique on that fade route by Avery on the TD?

Leebig?

At least we can agree on something.

Regarding the differences between the fade routes that they gave up for TD's ...

I don't have a vivid memory of the Colts game as I was in vegas and did not catch the whole game.

But if my memory is semi correct it seemed that allen located the ball while Kareem never did. Also, The throw that Hasselback made was the main reason for the TD whereas Wayne flat out beat KJ.


I understand this. However, Kj is a 2nd year player. Allen is a 7th year vet & both were catches for touchdowns.

KJ is our first round pick. Allen is considered a bust.

I don't know why the amount of time in the league matters if the object is to win now.

You have said yourself that you don't think KJ is a starting corner...yet...

I actually disagree with that. He is a starting corner...He's just not a great one or a very, very good one. He is decent. He is often ok. He is also sometimes bad.

I think we can do better than Allen and Kareem at that position, but if we just cannot find a guy that can challenge those guys as starters then Kareem will do. He will not be a complete embarrassment, but he will not be a guy that you pencil in as your starter for the next few years either.

CB2 is a position that we should be actively trying to upgrade on defense. If we just can't do it then I won't complain about Kareem being the starter because I do expect him to get better. How much better is anyone's guess. You don't know that he will develop into a good starting corner...that is just an educated guess, but a guess none the less....His lacking of the ability to locate and make plays on the ball is very troubling and for that reason alone I think we need to look for an upgrade at the position.

I'd rather have a Carlos Rogers type of corner that has great coverage, makes plays on the ball but drops picks rather than a corner that struggles to locate the ball and stick with his man on deep routes.

The guy is still splitting time in his second year. That doesn't scream "he'll be a good starter in the future to me"...

If Kareem is the starter next year he needs to legitimately earn it. We need to bring in another good player there that can challenge to be a starter because really we don't have anyone else. No other real ballers at the position besides Joseph.

Carr Bombed
01-01-2012, 11:37 PM
Well that settles it. If the guys on the radio says he sucks, he sucks.

LMAO...yeah, nice job at pulling one sentence out of my post like it was the "talking heads on the radio" that led me to my opinion. :rolleyes: all they did was see what we all see and repeat it....Kareem Jackson SUCKS. N.D. Kalu said it..I'll take his opinion over 76. Get off of it already, you're holding on to the mast of a sinking ship...get in the freaking life boat already and seperate yourself from this topic.

Seriously I can't believe this thread has gone 27 pages...like it takes 27 pages to realize Kareem Jackson sucks.

Carr Bombed
01-01-2012, 11:39 PM
I'm pretty sure that's his point.

Well if that's his point then there's good news, this thread can go away. Because 76 basically admited that he was wrong about Kareem Jackson.

leebigeztx
01-02-2012, 12:06 AM
Carr bombed I agree about not having pro bowlers on each side. The thing about allen is he was drafted as a hybrid. Huff,allen and whitner were all drafted as safeties with corner like abilities to combat the Y-Flex te. In miami, they had a terrible cb population, but laer they drafted davis and smith and inproved it. Allen is a very athletic guy who struggles in off coverage. I believe if they played him like seattle plays their big corners, he wuld play better. Jackson has good initial coverage until the qb realizes its really not that god of cverage.

GP
01-02-2012, 12:11 AM
Its not like this is his first year ever playing CB. I just don't get the he'll get better mentality. A lot of his issues are basic things.

Unless you're JJo, we need to upgrade our CB play.

I agree. I don't why it is Ok to say that he gets 3 years to learn how to look back for the ball and make a TRUE effort to break the ball up, instead of poking an arm into the guy's bread basket and making a blind swipe at it.

Upgrade at CB2 would be welcomed. Lots of holes, actually. We need help on o-line in terms of depth. WR is a need. QB seems to be a need if Schaub can't come back decently...is Yates enough if not?

Offense is the priority and CB2 would be the biggest need on defense, IMO.

GP
01-02-2012, 12:19 AM
IDK...why don't you explain it.. It was almost the same thing KJ did against Reggie Wayne and you had no problem explaining (excusing) that technique.

Ouch. That syringe of a post you just made was full of truth serum.

We don't agree on the Rockets, but we have a stake with each other on THIS topic, for sure.

Hasselbeck threw a laser pass to the back shoulder of the WR, and Allen was probably expecting a lofted pass in that situation. The pass to Reggie Wayne took forever to come down, as did the Julio Jones pass play, and both times KJ was bracing himself against the WR and staring up at the guy's face...instead of locating the ball.

I just don't think KJ wants to play the ball in the air, he wants to play the man's body language (which is why he gets torched on slant-and-go routes a lot). If KJ can sense the ball is about to get to the WR, he is habitually sticking an arm into the guy's bread basket and attempting a swipe. He's very REACTIVE to those deep passes, instead of being PROACTIVE by finding the ball in the air.

LikeMike
01-02-2012, 05:27 AM
Are you seriously trying to explain how football works to me?

Has he improved? Yes. From falling every other to snap to a few times a game is an improvement. Call me crazy for wanting competent play at CB. He may have had a good game today but is it really a good game when the opposing team is targeting the CB that is worse than you?

Come on man...

I am not trying to explain how football works - I am just saying that the learning curve for CBs is a lot steeper than for most other positions. And yes, he has improved a lot and there is no reason to believe he won`t improve more.

Let`s back up a few games - the CB on the other side was JoJo, clearly a better CB. Still KJ wasn`t targeted a lot this season and hasn`t allowed a lot of catches. So yes, he is having a good game, because the opposing team is targeting a better CB than he is, or safeties/LB/nickels.

He is not an elite CB - he is not one of the 30 best CBs in the league - but right now he is a very serviceable #2CB splitting time with another very serviceable #2CB.

All Im saying is: don`t overreact on every mistake he makes...

Oh, and by the way: how often did he fall down the last 5 games or so? I remember... 1 stumble.

Scooter
01-02-2012, 05:57 AM
i've read enough to ignore both sides. we have a 2A and 2B.

kareem is a physical man to man cornerback in his second year and is coming into his own. now with solid coaching he's become a true corner and very much a starter in man coverage who excels in press and run support. lots of work still needed to recognize steps, and i worry about his film study. kareem took a ton of hell last season, he's getting a split decision this season because of his inabilitiy to recognize and locate both routes and the ball in flight. loses focus when not on the receiver and struggles in most zone settings, will never be called a playmaker.

allen is a very poor man's asante samuel. below average man skills, almost no bump, a complete mess on intermediate routes. can read immediate routes as often as not, but cant recover from initial jump. rarely a factor on shorter routes, and easily game planned for. lockdown on long routes and a playmaker if able to see the quarterback (cover 3 and slide 2 specialist).

that's my scouting report, and while i'm hardly a kareem jackson fan, i dont think he's getting a fair shake here. his growth is obvious, but without a direct offseason with wade, i dont think we've even scraped the surface of what kareem brings to wade's press defense. i say now that he's going to be special next season.

steelbtexan
01-02-2012, 11:12 AM
My scouting report

Although Kareem has improved, he still stinks and will probably continue to stink next yr and the next yr etc..... (Jacques Reeves kind of stink)

TimeKiller
01-02-2012, 03:47 PM
KJ is a safety, he's Glover Quin lite. Nickel corner at best. Brandon Harris wasn't exactly setting the world on fire either. McCain is topped out as a 4th guy. Jason Allen is getting abused. Jonathan Joseph really ties this group together.

LikeMike
01-02-2012, 05:52 PM
KJ is a safety, he's Glover Quin lite. Nickel corner at best. Brandon Harris wasn't exactly setting the world on fire either. McCain is topped out as a 4th guy. Jason Allen is getting abused. Jonathan Joseph really ties this group together.

You make it sound as if we`d have one of the worst secondaries in the league... most CBs make mistakes now and then. As a #2 both KJ and Allen are alright and McCain has had some great games as a Nickel. Harris needs more time.

playa465
01-02-2012, 06:25 PM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIgFCtKJq_xZ1SeybZsu_7FYSvOVou_ mAIOgqVpfnhKTNGj-gBrQ

Still?

EllisUnit
01-02-2012, 06:48 PM
You make it sound as if we`d have one of the worst secondaries in the league... most CBs make mistakes now and then. As a #2 both KJ and Allen are alright and McCain has had some great games as a Nickel. Harris needs more time.

Harris may need more time next season, but not in the play-offs, u did see that TD he gave up right. He did make a good effort to break up the pass but he tried.

EVOLVIST
01-02-2012, 06:52 PM
Harris may need more time next season, but not in the play-offs, u did see that TD he gave up right. He did make a good effort to break up the pass but he tried.

That wasn't Harris' man. That was Demps man, with another safety (I forgot who) just standing around. If anything what we saw from Harris was exceptional make up speed, and he even located the ball and stuck his arm in there.

I don't know enough about him outside of college, but I liked that play.

EllisUnit
01-02-2012, 06:58 PM
That wasn't Harris' man. That was Demps man, with another safety (I forgot who) just standing around. If anything what we saw from Harris was exceptional make up speed, and he even located the ball and stuck his arm in there.

I don't know enough about him outside of college, but I liked that play.

not to take anything away from harris but the WR did stop turn around and jump up, plenty of time for harris to tr to make a play. And yes it did look like harris passed the WR off to demps and demps failed, harris tried to recover and wasnt in time.

foo82
01-02-2012, 07:26 PM
I am not trying to explain how football works - I am just saying that the learning curve for CBs is a lot steeper than for most other positions. And yes, he has improved a lot and there is no reason to believe he won`t improve more.

Let`s back up a few games - the CB on the other side was JoJo, clearly a better CB. Still KJ wasn`t targeted a lot this season and hasn`t allowed a lot of catches. So yes, he is having a good game, because the opposing team is targeting a better CB than he is, or safeties/LB/nickels.

He is not an elite CB - he is not one of the 30 best CBs in the league - but right now he is a very serviceable #2CB splitting time with another very serviceable #2CB.

All Im saying is: don`t overreact on every mistake he makes...

Oh, and by the way: how often did he fall down the last 5 games or so? I remember... 1 stumble.

And this pretty much sums up how I feel about the matter. It feels like you guys are wanting way too much. KJ does not suck as much as everyone claims. If he did suck, he would be targeted a lot more. He just does not have any ball skills.

EllisUnit
01-02-2012, 07:29 PM
And this pretty much sums up how I feel about the matter. It feels like you guys are wanting way too much. KJ does not suck as much as everyone claims. If he did suck, he would be targeted a lot more. He just does not have any ball skills.

how many sacks and hurries does our defense have ??? You think we we are 1st - 2nd in passing yards allowed due to the secondary ? No u should thank the front 7 for that.

EllisUnit
01-02-2012, 07:36 PM
damn i thought it was just me. But on inside the game Spencer Tillman is breaking down the fade route where allen gave up a TD and he says

"That false inside step, he (Allen) does identify and gets his head around which Kareem Jackson struggles with"

What amused me is i have always thought KJ never locates the ball but i have never really heard anyone call KJ out for it before.

and then the 4:37 mark they call KJ out again.

ObsiWan
01-02-2012, 07:38 PM
Twenty-eight pages and no one has addressed the CB's other responsibility: Run support. The reason Jackson starts is he's better on run support. Way better.

The long run by CJ that nearly resulted in a TD was to Allen's side. I watched it twice. He faded from run support. Later, the Titans ran that same play to the right with Jackson on the field. He knifed in and upended CJ for a loss.

Jackson is playing as much - maybe more - for his run support as his coverage skills. Whether Allen is a better cover corner is debatable. He kinda looks to be but it really ain't by that much. But if he's not going to maintain his run contain responsibility and let RBs turn the corner for big yards, that's just as bad as giving up a big pass play.

Texan_Bill
01-02-2012, 07:41 PM
Twenty-eight pages and no one has addressed the CB's other responsibility: Run support. The reason Jackson starts is he's better on run support. Way better.

The long run by CJ that nearly resulted in a TD was to Allen's side. I watched it twice. He faded from run support. Later, the Titans ran that same play to the right with Jackson on the field. He knifed in and upended CJ for a loss.

Jackson is playing as much - maybe more - for his run support as his coverage skills. Whether Allen is a better cover corner is debatable. He kinda looks to be but it really ain't by that much. But if he's not going to maintain his run contain responsibility and let RBs turn the corner for big yards, that's just as bad as giving up a big pass play.

Touche!! That's a pretty good point!

foo82
01-02-2012, 07:58 PM
how many sacks and hurries does our defense have ??? You think we we are 1st - 2nd in passing yards allowed due to the secondary ? No u should thank the front 7 for that.

So....you are bitching that even though we are 1st/2nd in passing yards allowed about our CB#2? So basically you want a shutdown corner on both sides for you to be happy?

CloakNNNdagger
01-02-2012, 08:23 PM
So....you are bitching that even though we are 1st/2nd in passing yards allowed about our CB#2? So basically you want a shutdown corner on both sides for you to be happy?

When our pass rush is not there is when KJ especially gets critically exposed.

CloakNNNdagger
01-02-2012, 08:24 PM
Twenty-eight pages and no one has addressed the CB's other responsibility: Run support. The reason Jackson starts is he's better on run support. Way better.

The long run by CJ that nearly resulted in a TD was to Allen's side. I watched it twice. He faded from run support. Later, the Titans ran that same play to the right with Jackson on the field. He knifed in and upended CJ for a loss.

Jackson is playing as much - maybe more - for his run support as his coverage skills. Whether Allen is a better cover corner is debatable. He kinda looks to be but it really ain't by that much. But if he's not going to maintain his run contain responsibility and let RBs turn the corner for big yards, that's just as bad as giving up a big pass play.

I totally agree............exactly why he would better serve as a nickel. Too bad that would be a heck of a position for a 1st rounder.

ObsiWan
01-02-2012, 08:34 PM
I totally agree............exactly why he would better serve as a nickel.

what about when the offense doesn't go 3 wides? that would leave you with Allen with contain responsibility.

EllisUnit
01-03-2012, 12:44 AM
When our pass rush is not there is when KJ especially gets critically exposed.

thank you that was my whole point.

kwayshauntay
01-03-2012, 01:40 AM
damn i thought it was just me. But on inside the game Spencer Tillman is breaking down the fade route where allen gave up a TD and he says

"That false inside step, he (Allen) does identify and gets his head around which Kareem Jackson struggles with"

What amused me is i have always thought KJ never locates the ball but i have never really heard anyone call KJ out for it before.

and then the 4:37 mark they call KJ out again.

Thanks for the heads up.

Here's the link if anyone else is interested:
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Inside-the-Game-January-1/6d41209a-85e3-4062-a9ac-e67634d4af1f

TejasTom
01-03-2012, 08:42 AM
That wasn't Harris' man. That was Demps man, with another safety (I forgot who just standing around). If anything what we saw from Harris was exceptional make up speed, and he even located the ball and stuck his arm in there.I don't know enough about him outside of college, but I liked that play.

Just standing around was probably Keo.

Harris was great at locating the ball and knocking it away in college and showed great body control in the air.

3/2/11: Brandon Harris ran a decent 40 (4.43), but he really shined in the drills. In fact, Deion Sanders said Harris was the best cornerback he saw on the field. "He's been ballin'," Sanders said.

10/9/10: Harris is a baller - period. On tape, he produces and plays with the swagger and confidence you want to see out of a cornerback. He's a missle in run support and shows the ability to take on a block. In coverage, receivers really struggle to separate and offensive coordinators have stopped calling plays his way this season.

5/13/10: Brandon Harris broke up a whopping 15 passes last year and also had six TFL.

CloakNNNdagger
01-03-2012, 09:23 AM
what about when the offense doesn't go 3 wides? that would leave you with Allen with contain responsibility.

I guess, you need to figure that more "home runs" come from passes than runs. Nevertheless, I was thinking in terms of next year when we hopefully look at having a better pass coverage option.

HTown2ATX
01-04-2012, 11:19 AM
So basically you want a shutdown corner on both sides for you to be happy?

I don't know if it's that people want or realistically expect 2 shutdown corners.....but when I get a beer and can't see the TV and I hear a big play happen for the other team and without seeing the TV I know what Texans jersey I'll see falling or getting burnt or not turning his head on replay (and i'd say 8 out of 10 times I'm right in this situation) guess who it is??

I don't hate the guy as a person and won't say he is the worst CB ever, that would be foolish.

The same is true IMO to come to his defense. Not everything about football is some over complicated algorhythm. Sometimes you really can just believe what you are seeing with your own eyes.

foo82
01-04-2012, 12:55 PM
I don't know if it's that people want or realistically expect 2 shutdown corners.....but when I get a beer and can't see the TV and I hear a big play happen for the other team and without seeing the TV I know what Texans jersey I'll see falling or getting burnt or not turning his head on replay (and i'd say 8 out of 10 times I'm right in this situation) guess who it is??

I don't hate the guy as a person and won't say he is the worst CB ever, that would be foolish.

The same is true IMO to come to his defense. Not everything about football is some over complicated algorhythm. Sometimes you really can just believe what you are seeing with your own eyes.

But, in all seriousness, how often do you see him targeted? It would be one thing if this were happening 4 or 5 times per game, but usually its limited to 1 per game roughly.

I'm not saying he's playing great, but if he's only targetted roughly 3 to 4 time a game, he is doing something right.

Btw, where can we see DB stats on coverage?

Rey
01-04-2012, 01:00 PM
But, in all seriousness, how often do you see him targeted? It would be one thing if this were happening 4 or 5 times per game, but usually its limited to 1 per game roughly.

I'm not saying he's playing great, but if he's only targetted roughly 3 to 4 time a game, he is doing something right.

Btw, where can we see DB stats on coverage?

He isn't targeted as much as he would be because he isn't playing the whole game like a normal starter would.

If he played more its possible that he could be exposed more and it's also possible that he could make more plays.


Also, I'm not sure why folks think the next step up from Kareem is "shutdown" or "probowl player"....

We can get better at that position without having two shutdown corners on the field.

Goldensilence
01-04-2012, 01:09 PM
This is exactly the type of mistake NFL teams struggle to avoid come draft day (drafting for need over value) that can lead to years of failed expectations on or off the field. The Texans were determined hell or high water they we're going to take a CB in the first round of the 2010 draft period. They took the safest possible player from a sound football program with measureables they required for position.

Now Kareem is a player in this league, who will always have shortcomings but will learn to mask or compensate for them as he grows with experience while evolving in system. His work ethic, size & physical nature will provide useful down the road & then, I'm hoping, for a similar discussion like one about Duane Brown.

Repped. Perfect description of KJ.

I still thought it was a no brainer to go with Kyle Wilson, but instead they went with the guy who had a higher floor than ceiling.

When does the KJ experiment end? I think he's got next year to see if he can grow into a solid #2. I just don't think he's got what it takes to be a #1.

silvrhand
01-05-2012, 09:06 AM
thank you that was my whole point.

Sigh.. dude how many CB's do you think can cover WR when there are 5-6 seconds for a NFL QB to sit back there and find the open guy, or the receiver to get open.

I still think you have unrealistic expectations to have two Deion Sanders on our team.

76Texan
01-05-2012, 09:20 AM
Sigh.. dude how many CB's do you think can cover WR when there are 5-6 seconds for a NFL QB to sit back there and find the open guy, or the receiver to get open.

I still think you have unrealistic expectations to have two Deion Sanders on our team.

His point was that there's need to be a goat, and Jackson is it!
I listened to a radio host and he was dead-on when he said there could be a goat this coming game or next game, or whenever. And it will most probably be Yates or Jackson.

LOL, I'm so ready for that.

silvrhand
01-05-2012, 09:38 AM
His point was that there's need to be a goat, and Jackson is it!
I listened to a radio host and he was dead-on when he said there could be a goat this coming game or next game, or whenever. And it will most probably be Yates or Jackson.

LOL, I'm so ready for that.

Yah but I also believe you can't just let it go and realize you'll never convince him otherwise :) The reason this thread just won't die.. I login each day hoping not to see it again lol.

76Texan
01-05-2012, 09:44 AM
well tell ur boy that

You need to read more closely.
Greg Cosell isn't my boy. He's Leebig's boy.
I do like him though, because he has a lot of knowledge.
He's the Executive Producer for NFL Matchup and Sr Producer of NFL Films for 31 years and so he watches all the coaches' tapes.

Not all radio hosts are equal.

76Texan
01-05-2012, 09:52 AM
At least we can agree on something.

Regarding the differences between the fade routes that they gave up for TD's ...

I don't have a vivid memory of the Colts game as I was in vegas and did not catch the whole game.

But if my memory is semi correct it seemed that allen located the ball while Kareem never did. Also, The throw that Hasselback made was the main reason for the TD whereas Wayne flat out beat KJ.


I think you might want to rewatch those two plays.

Allen was the one who flat out got beat by the receiver's move.
Jackson was there, but failed to finish the play (hence the term "tight coverage" by rotoworld.)

From what I learned in a couple of NFL playbooks, they taught the receiver to not try to look for the ball once he gets beat but to concentrate on his man instead (ie. playing the man, not the ball)
It looks to me, that it could apply in this instance, for Allen.

76Texan
01-05-2012, 09:54 AM
Yah but I also believe you can't just let it go and realize you'll never convince him otherwise :) The reason this thread just won't die.. I login each day hoping not to see it again lol.

I don't have to convince EU or anybody, really.

It's always good to discuss football.
I welcome all different views.
That is one of the things that makes the game more interesting.

76Texan
01-05-2012, 09:57 AM
The guy fell down again today... sorry, but even the people on the radio said it.. "Kareem Jackson is not a starting CB in this league and will not be starting next season", they basically said he sucks. Sorry 76, you were wrong with your analysis on Kareem (Jesus Christ..you've made every excuse under the sun for this guy..you have to be running out of them by now) and this thread just needs to go away.

Kareem Jackson sucks. I ended up being wrong about Chris Myers and you're wrong here...just admit it and move on. The kid is a 1st round BUST...it happens.

And do you know why he slipped?

There was a mix-up in coverage and KJ had to try to cover two receivers by himself (it also happened last year.)

Instead of giving him kudo, people tries to put him down for the effort! :smiliepalm:

steelbtexan
01-05-2012, 10:38 AM
KJ is great in run support, but his lack of ball skills/not turning his head/falling down means he will never even be an above average #2 CB. Can someone tell me if KJ/Allen are splitting snaps 50/50 how many times combined are they being targeted more than Joseph? How many times is Jackson being targeted vs Allen? Whats the yds per completetion? How many pass interference penalties does KJ vs Allen have and for how many yards? Is KJ's ability in run support worth his deficencies in pass coverage?

Hopefully Harris will grow into CB2 next season with a full training camp. I was real high on Harris in last yrs draft and believe he's got the potential to be an upgrade over KJ/Allen. Hopefully this is the case so that a CB wont be needed in FA/Draft.

I've also got high hopes for Carmicheal. Although he's undersized that guys a playmaker.

The DB position is the most difficult position for me to evaluate in the draft. Think about this Joseph fell to the 18-20 range in the draft because of character concerns. There's a CB in this draft that reminds me of the Joseph situation and should be available in rd. 2. (Cliff Harris CB Oregon) Would you (76) be willing to take a chance on him late in the 2nd rd?

76Texan
01-05-2012, 11:12 AM
The DB position is the most difficult position for me to evaluate in the draft. Think about this Joseph fell to the 18-20 range in the draft because of character concerns. There's a CB in this draft that reminds me of the Joseph situation and should be available in rd. 2. (Cliff Harris CB Oregon) Would you (76) be willing to take a chance on him late in the 2nd rd?

I don't think the Texans will draft a player that has been suspended from the team.

I don't think the Texans will draft a CB anyway.

Look at it this way, Jackson is playing better than D. McCourty this year.
Some people thought I was crazy when I stick with Jackson over McCourty.
I said that McCourty was babysat in his rookie year.
Now that he's not, he got burned left and right.
He looks worse in his second year than KJ in his rookie year.

Kyle Wilson played so poorly in his rookie year, he was sent to the dog house.
Now he's playing nickel back.

Jackson is the better pick.

76Texan
01-05-2012, 11:14 AM
Hopefully Harris will grow into CB2 next season with a full training camp. I was real high on Harris in last yrs draft and believe he's got the potential to be an upgrade over KJ/Allen. Hopefully this is the case so that a CB wont be needed in FA/Draft.

I've also got high hopes for Carmicheal. Although he's undersized that guys a playmaker.


Harris still has a lot of work to do.
Carmichael is like Jason Allen without the speed.

76Texan
01-05-2012, 11:31 AM
KJ is great in run support, but his lack of ball skills/not turning his head/falling down means he will never even be an above average #2 CB. Can someone tell me if KJ/Allen are splitting snaps 50/50 how many times combined are they being targeted more than Joseph? How many times is Jackson being targeted vs Allen? Whats the yds per completetion? How many pass interference penalties does KJ vs Allen have and for how many yards? Is KJ's ability in run support worth his deficencies in pass coverage?



I had taken snap shots of all defensive plays for about 10 games.
I also has a rough count for the others.
It's somewhere around 55-57% for Jackson and 45-46% of the snaps for Allen in the games they both played in. (There were plays when both were on the field together.)

Football Outsiders has these stats:
Texans rank #25 against #1 WR
They rank #9 against #2 WR
They rank #13 agaisnt other receivers.
They rank #13 against the TEs
And they rank #9 against the RBs

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

It is not clear who they determine as he #1 receiver on each team, so take it FWIW.

76Texan
01-05-2012, 11:51 AM
I don't think the Texans will draft a player that has been suspended from the team.

I don't think the Texans will draft a CB anyway.

Look at it this way, Jackson is playing better than D. McCourty this year.
Some people thought I was crazy when I stick with Jackson over McCourty.
I said that McCourty was babysat in his rookie year.
Now that he's not, he got burned left and right.
He looks worse in his second year than KJ in his rookie year.

Kyle Wilson played so poorly in his rookie year, he was sent to the dog house.
Now he's playing nickel back.

Jackson is the better pick.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/999891-new-england-patriots-where-does-devin-mccourty-stand-after-two-seasons

The Millennium Man

According to Pro Football Focus, Devin McCourty is giving up more yards than any cornerback since 2008 at least (when they started tracking it), and with 985 yards against him to date, could become the first cornerback since '08 to give up 1,000 yards.

No matter how little or how much you value yards as a statistic, that is evidence that he is being targeted often, and that quarterbacks are having success when they do target him.

On the season, he has been targeted 98 times, giving up 61 receptions (10.1 yards per attempt), with six touchdowns on his watch and one interception. All those numbers add up to a 112.0 passer rating against him, which ranks 16th-worst out of 108 qualifying cornerbacks.

......
And this is before the last game of the season against the Bills that I intend to watch soon.
McCourty also missed some time with a minor injury (replaced by Moiden as previously mentioned.)

76Texan
01-05-2012, 01:03 PM
How about Mike Jenkins?
The Cowboys picked him up at #25 in 2009.
Look at how he has played so far.
In his rookie year, he was protected as well.
Look at how his plays had gone astray in his second year.
High expectation for a young CB is unnecessary, I've always said.
Notice that they also mentioned DRC as having a catastrophe year similarly.
He was drafted at #16 by the Cards.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/04/pro-football-focus-cornerback.html

On cornerbacks:

Terence Newman began to show his age in 2010. Once one of the top players at his position, he is now 32 and appears to be on the decline. After a solid 2009, he crashed back to earth in a big way. Although he picked off five passes, he also gave up five touchdowns and allowed 65% of balls to be complete. His 914 yards allowed ranked sixth worst in the NFL. Compare that to 2009 where he allowed just 740 yards and 57% of balls to be complete.
We singled Mike Jenkins out as one of the most promising young players at the end of the 2009 season....Like fellow first round pick Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie however, his 2010 season was nothing short of a catastrophe. His QB rating allowed more than doubled (from 54.0 to 122.0), he allowed more touchdowns (two compared to six) and had fewer picks (five compared to one).

silvrhand
01-05-2012, 01:08 PM
I don't have to convince EU or anybody, really.

It's always good to discuss football.
I welcome all different views.
That is one of the things that makes the game more interesting.

Heck I'm quite happy right now with our defense, yah is KJ still not perfect nope, but if anyone was asked last year if we would be happy with a top 10 defense, I bet there wouldn't be a single person that wouldn't.

We have come a long way this year, just need to continue the progress and move forward.

76Texan
01-05-2012, 01:24 PM
Heck I'm quite happy right now with our defense, yah is KJ still not perfect nope, but if anyone was asked last year if we would be happy with a top 10 defense, I bet there wouldn't be a single person that wouldn't.

We have come a long way this year, just need to continue the progress and move forward.

Exactly!

http://blog.houstontexans.com/

Kubiak said cornerback Kareem Jackson will continue to start at cornerback opposite Johnathan Joseph, although the Texans will likely play a lot of nickel on Saturday because of the Bengals offense. Kareem could have played better yesterday; a lot of guys could, Kubiak said. He needs to find the ball better in a couple of situations. He was in good position and didnt finish the play, but for the most part hes had a good year, and its time for him to be even better.

This is in reference to the long pass play that I mentioned in another thread.
I saw Jackson as being in phase with the receiver; but he needed to finish it better.

People keeps telling me I don't know what I was talking about only to have Kubiak confirm what I saw on the field.

76Texan
01-05-2012, 01:54 PM
And how about the second coming of Deion Sanders?

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/6481/patrick-peterson

Cardinals rookie CB Patrick Peterson has been called for 10 penalties for 121 yards already this season.
Peterson's performance in the punt return game has been electric, but his play at corner has been downright bad. The No. 5 overall pick ranks among the worst starting corners in the league according to Pro Football Focus and gets relentlessly attacked on a weekly basis. The Cardinals would be wise to keep him away from Brandon Lloyd on Sunday.

beerlover
01-05-2012, 01:58 PM
And how about the second coming of Deion Sanders?

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/6481/patrick-peterson

Cardinals rookie CB Patrick Peterson has been called for 10 penalties for 121 yards already this season.
Peterson's performance in the punt return game has been electric, but his play at corner has been downright bad. The No. 5 overall pick ranks among the worst starting corners in the league according to Pro Football Focus and gets relentlessly attacked on a weekly basis. The Cardinals would be wise to keep him away from Brandon Lloyd on Sunday.

Peterson is a safety playing CB. Maybe the same thing can be said about Kareem?

76Texan
01-05-2012, 02:13 PM
Peterson is a safety playing CB. Maybe the same thing can be said about Kareem?

I honestly don't mind KJ playing safety or nickel if we can find a better CB.
The question is where to find that guy.
I don't think the Texans will draft a CB early, and even at their spot in the first round, it's going to be very difficult to find a good one that can come in and play right away (if not impossible).
I don't think the Texans can afford another high-priced FA either.

KJ will do at least for now.
There's always a chance he can still improve.
IMO, he will improve some more, except for the unreal expectation of some fans.

Here, I found some pretty funny stuff regarding Peterson.
This one is pretty recent.

http://forums.projectcovo.com/showthread.php?p=1132013411

I'm dead serious too. Dude is garbage playing corner.

I don't have the latest stats right now but best believe QBs have a QB rating around 100 when throwing at him. He has like 10 penalties on him this year. He's ranked as one of the worst CBs in the league and dead last in the NFC West by PFF.

Obviously he's a rookie, but he looks just plain atrocious playing corner. Slipping, has trouble turning on his man, getting torched by mediocre ass QBs and average wideouts...this guy makes me remember mike rumph his rookie year, I swear.

if it wasn't for his amazing punt returns, people would talk more about this. so far dude has been a total bust on D.
...

Agreed.... That man has been getting BAKED! ...
I wonder how he'd look @ Safety.
....

i believe he's played safety already this year...and he's just sucked, period. he always looks lost as shiit...like he don't even know the plays. might as well be a Giants DB.
....

obviously too early to call him a bust yet,

BUT...watching cards they play mostly man to man, and dude is just bad in fundamentals. like changing direction and instincts. he's getting beat one on one with wideouts styling on him.

now I thought Prince was the better cover corner in that draft, but I certainly felt like PP would be a solid cover corner. He's been an absolute disaster at covering receivers.
....

im not even sure he can be a safety. his reaction skills are terrible. maybe taylor mays type of strong safety or something
...

Ive already addressed that. he was picked to be the best CB in the draft and I cant remember a good CB picked so high who would be so bad in his rookie season.

too early to call him a bust, I agree, but I dont really see how he'd improve his game....there's not much to scheme when you play man-to-man and getting beat nearly every time...system can't really help that

....

but they didnt pick him because of his return skills;
and why do you think he'll get better ? besides the fact its kinda hard to get worse, lol...
..

EllisUnit
01-05-2012, 08:08 PM
You need to read more closely.
Greg Cosell isn't my boy. He's Leebig's boy.
I do like him though, because he has a lot of knowledge.
He's the Executive Producer for NFL Matchup and Sr Producer of NFL Films for 31 years and so he watches all the coaches' tapes.

Not all radio hosts are equal.

I told TK to tell his boy that......... as in YOU. You seem to think that since the radio/bloggers say it is, than it must be true. Especially when anyone throws your brother KJ a comment.

EllisUnit
01-05-2012, 08:11 PM
I honestly don't mind KJ playing safety or nickel if we can find a better CB.
The question is where to find that guy.
I don't think the Texans will draft a CB early, and even at their spot in the first round, it's going to be very difficult to find a good one that can come in and play right away (if not impossible).
I don't think the Texans can afford another high-priced FA either.

KJ will do at least for now.
There's always a chance he can still improve.
IMO, he will improve some more, except for the unreal expectation of some fans.

Here, I found some pretty funny stuff regarding Peterson.
This one is pretty recent.

http://forums.projectcovo.com/showthread.php?p=1132013411

I'm dead serious too. Dude is garbage playing corner.

I don't have the latest stats right now but best believe QBs have a QB rating around 100 when throwing at him. He has like 10 penalties on him this year. He's ranked as one of the worst CBs in the league and dead last in the NFC West by PFF.

Obviously he's a rookie, but he looks just plain atrocious playing corner. Slipping, has trouble turning on his man, getting torched by mediocre ass QBs and average wideouts...this guy makes me remember mike rumph his rookie year, I swear.

if it wasn't for his amazing punt returns, people would talk more about this. so far dude has been a total bust on D.
...

Agreed.... That man has been getting BAKED! ...
I wonder how he'd look @ Safety.
....

i believe he's played safety already this year...and he's just sucked, period. he always looks lost as shiit...like he don't even know the plays. might as well be a Giants DB.
....

obviously too early to call him a bust yet,

BUT...watching cards they play mostly man to man, and dude is just bad in fundamentals. like changing direction and instincts. he's getting beat one on one with wideouts styling on him.

now I thought Prince was the better cover corner in that draft, but I certainly felt like PP would be a solid cover corner. He's been an absolute disaster at covering receivers.
....

im not even sure he can be a safety. his reaction skills are terrible. maybe taylor mays type of strong safety or something
...

Ive already addressed that. he was picked to be the best CB in the draft and I cant remember a good CB picked so high who would be so bad in his rookie season.

too early to call him a bust, I agree, but I dont really see how he'd improve his game....there's not much to scheme when you play man-to-man and getting beat nearly every time...system can't really help that

....

but they didnt pick him because of his return skills;
and why do you think he'll get better ? besides the fact its kinda hard to get worse, lol...
..

Reminds me 100% of KJ. And look at how much faith you have in him, so why down this guy ? Your excuse for KJ was always that he is a rookie thrown into a no win situation. But i guess Peterson isnt KJ, so he just sucks unlike ur boy his rookie season :mariopalm:

76Texan
01-06-2012, 01:50 AM
Reminds me 100% of KJ. And look at how much faith you have in him, so why down this guy ? Your excuse for KJ was always that he is a rookie thrown into a no win situation. But i guess Peterson isnt KJ, so he just sucks unlike ur boy his rookie season :mariopalm:

Where did I put down the guy?
Those are comments from people who were like you (against KJ in his rookie season).

foo82
01-06-2012, 08:01 AM
Reminds me 100% of KJ. And look at how much faith you have in him, so why down this guy ? Your excuse for KJ was always that he is a rookie thrown into a no win situation. But i guess Peterson isnt KJ, so he just sucks unlike ur boy his rookie season :mariopalm:

Seriously. I think you go out of your way to nitpick his arguments. It was fairly obvious what he was intending with his post here. He is comparing high drafted cb rookies and pointing out that majority of them play poorly when put in a situation that KJ was put in. His point isn't that everybody sucks, but rather KJ is coming along fine in spite of the huge learning curve most CBs go through.

Very rarely will you have a rookie/2nd year CB that absolutely lights it up. It only took Jason Allen 5 years to figure it out, and even then he is fairly average.

thunderkyss
01-09-2012, 08:53 AM
how many sacks and hurries does our defense have ??? You think we we are 1st - 2nd in passing yards allowed due to the secondary ? No u should thank the front 7 for that.

The front 7 & the secondary work hand in hand. The Eagles & the Vikings have 50 sacks for the regular season, we've only got 44. The Ravens, Giants, & Bengals all get more pressure on the QB than we do. But none of those teams give up less passing yards than we do.

In other words, our front seven can play as well as they are now, but we'd give up more passing yards if we had Nnamdi Asomugha, Asante Samuel, & DRC.

thunderkyss
01-09-2012, 09:57 AM
Very rarely will you have a rookie/2nd year CB that absolutely lights it up. It only took Jason Allen 5 years to figure it out, and even then he is fairly average.

Personally, I feel like their hatred of Kareem stems from their hatred of Kubiak & Smith. They've never forgiven Smith & Kubiak for drafting Kareem in favor of Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty even though that looks to have been the right decision. McCourty had a great rookie season, but looks more "human" now. Kyle Wilson is still 3rd on his team's depth chart & being brought along slowly.

They were upset, that we didn't have a veteran CB to "tutor" Kj, then that we had Kj playing so much. Now that we have Jjo & Allen splitting time with Kj it is still looked at as a negative. We're finally doing the right thing by Kj so now they're upset with Kj

Doesn't make any sense.

GlassHalfFull
01-09-2012, 10:21 AM
I would love to see the mods change this title. I feel like KJ deserves better than this.

1st impressions are huge.

Scooter
01-09-2012, 10:33 AM
1st impressions are huge.

exactly. kareem "falling down" jackson as starting cornerback seems to have been with us forever, but he has yet to finish his sophomore season. from rookie #1 with bush to sophomore #2 with wade phillips, we have gone from the worst pass dvoa to the best. much like nnamdi with the eagles being used wrongly, we used kareem in a detrimental way and tacked on poor coaching to boot. we're seeing now what should be his rookie season, and he's exactly as advertised. solid man to man, good size and speed, weak ball instincts, strong route instincts, good discipline, doesnt have a closing burst, and is great against the run.

by next season, he'd start for near any team in the league.

PapaL
01-15-2012, 08:36 PM
Gotta say, Jackson played a good game today. Got his head around, located the ball, and made a play on the ball. Best I've seen him play PERIOD.