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V Man
12-04-2011, 03:18 PM
Left the Texans game, with 8 seconds left to show commercials and a pre-game for the Cowboys game..

Sucks living here at times.

rickyb
12-04-2011, 03:19 PM
Left the Texans game, with 8 seconds left to show commercials and a pre-game for the Cowboys game..

Sucks living here at times.

Same effin' thing here in Austin. Wow.

spurstexanstros
12-04-2011, 03:57 PM
both tv and radio went off...im pissed at radio station mostly cause they are the supposed home of the Texans.

brakos82
12-04-2011, 03:58 PM
both tv and radio went off...im pissed at radio station mostly cause they are the supposed home of the Texans.

And they can't pull the "NFL Rules" card. :wadepalm:

HTown2ATX
12-04-2011, 04:01 PM
Blow up fax facebook (this is the Austin one, but still...)

https://www.facebook.com/myfoxaustin

Texans_Chick
12-05-2011, 10:44 AM
Here's San Antonio's Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/foxsanantonio

Feel free to visit it.

I am also jihading a bit on my Twitter: @StephStradley (https://twitter.com/#!/StephStradley).

HTown2ATX
12-05-2011, 10:55 AM
Here's San Antonio's Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/foxsanantonio

Feel free to visit it.

I am also jihading a bit on my Twitter: @StephStradley (https://twitter.com/#!/StephStradley).

Nice...make sure to hit the Austin facebook too!

HTown2ATX
12-05-2011, 11:59 AM
Here's San Antonio's Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/foxsanantonio

Feel free to visit it.

I am also jihading a bit on my Twitter: @StephStradley (https://twitter.com/#!/StephStradley).

Saw your hit on the Austin Fox Facebook.....kudos!!!

ziggy29
12-05-2011, 12:06 PM
Here's San Antonio's Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/foxsanantonio

Feel free to visit it.

I am also jihading a bit on my Twitter: @StephStradley (https://twitter.com/#!/StephStradley).
Yeah, I'm piling on there too and on the Austin affiliate as well.

These affiliates are making it a lot worse by not simply admitting they made a business decision to cut to the Cowboys at 3:10 -- a decision that has to be made ahead of time and can't be changed during the game -- and that it turned out to be a bad decision.

Once they made that decision, NFL rules *do* require switching over at 3:10 -- but these affiliates are acting like they never had the choice to opt into the "mandatory pullout".

Texaninlild
12-05-2011, 12:12 PM
We got pulled in Jerry's world, but at least I caught the end on the RedZone.

HTown2ATX
12-05-2011, 12:24 PM
Here's San Antonio's Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/foxsanantonio

Feel free to visit it.

I am also jihading a bit on my Twitter: @StephStradley (https://twitter.com/#!/StephStradley).

Hey, any chance you can make this visible to Bob McNair? Not sure if that is possible. I am curious to hear his reaction....I would think he would want to "build the brand" outside of Houston. IMO he should publicly say something.

Also, is there any chance these stations violated any NFL rules and can be fined?

ziggy29
12-05-2011, 12:33 PM
Also, is there any chance these stations violated any NFL rules and can be fined?

I don't think so, since neither Austin nor San Antonio are "secondary" markets of either Houston or Dallas according to the NFL's definition (neither have any of their viewing audience within 75 miles of the home stadium). Thus they were free to elect the "mandatory pullout" ahead of time, to be treated as if they were a secondary market. But the NFL didn't force that -- they chose it, as they always have in doubleheaders when the Cowboys are the late game.

So these affiliates, as far as I can tell, are responsible for the switchover because they requested it ahead of time.

But the NFL's rule about "mandatory" pullout is also stupid. It doesn't give the network or the affiliates the ability to change their minds if the game situations make that the right decision for viewers. As it is? If you do NOT elect mandatory pullout, you risk a game which is 45-7 halfway into the 4th quarter at 3:10 and you're forced to watch it to conclusion when the late game is kicking off. If you DO elect it, you run the risk of what happened yesterday.

It's really stupid that the NFL apparently doesn't let the affiliates say, "you know what? We opted to pull out at 3:10, but there's no way we're leaving this game prematurely. We now elect to stay with it to the end." And they can't say "Yeah, we elected to stay with this game to the end, but it's a blowout and the late games are about to kick off. We're switching over now."

Still, while there are some dumb NFL rules that contributed to this fiasco, ultimately the affiliates which are not secondary markets for Dallas CHOSE the pullout ahead of time, so they do bear some responsibility. And to me, at this point, their refusal to accept that responsibility is a worse offense than what happened at 3:10 yesterday.

HTown2ATX
12-05-2011, 01:43 PM
I don't think so, since neither Austin nor San Antonio are "secondary" markets of either Houston or Dallas according to the NFL's definition (neither have any of their viewing audience within 75 miles of the home stadium). Thus they were free to elect the "mandatory pullout" ahead of time, to be treated as if they were a secondary market. But the NFL didn't force that -- they chose it, as they always have in doubleheaders when the Cowboys are the late game.

So these affiliates, as far as I can tell, are responsible for the switchover because they requested it ahead of time.

But the NFL's rule about "mandatory" pullout is also stupid. It doesn't give the network or the affiliates the ability to change their minds if the game situations make that the right decision for viewers. As it is? If you do NOT elect mandatory pullout, you risk a game which is 45-7 halfway into the 4th quarter at 3:10 and you're forced to watch it to conclusion when the late game is kicking off. If you DO elect it, you run the risk of what happened yesterday.

It's really stupid that the NFL apparently doesn't let the affiliates say, "you know what? We opted to pull out at 3:10, but there's no way we're leaving this game prematurely. We now elect to stay with it to the end." And they can't say "Yeah, we elected to stay with this game to the end, but it's a blowout and the late games are about to kick off. We're switching over now."

Still, while there are some dumb NFL rules that contributed to this fiasco, ultimately the affiliates which are not secondary markets for Dallas CHOSE the pullout ahead of time, so they do bear some responsibility. And to me, at this point, their refusal to accept that responsibility is a worse offense than what happened at 3:10 yesterday.

:clap: ^^THIS (well, IDK if I can say *worse* offense....but it is bad....)

They are making this shit storm sooooooooooooo much worse by playing innocent onlooker.... I am still just so dumbfounded that this actually happened. I literally cannot believe what I saw with my own eyes...

HTown2ATX
12-05-2011, 03:23 PM
LMAO....they are STILL getting hammered and now this seems to be their only response.....

"To contact the FOX network directly call (310) 369-9111 or email askfox@fox.com"

How lame....clearly being beaten to a pulp and still clinging to their BS excuse that holds no water.

Stemp
12-05-2011, 03:42 PM
I don't think so, since neither Austin nor San Antonio are "secondary" markets of either Houston or Dallas according to the NFL's definition (neither have any of their viewing audience within 75 miles of the home stadium). Thus they were free to elect the "mandatory pullout" ahead of time, to be treated as if they were a secondary market. But the NFL didn't force that -- they chose it, as they always have in doubleheaders when the Cowboys are the late game.

So these affiliates, as far as I can tell, are responsible for the switchover because they requested it ahead of time.

But the NFL's rule about "mandatory" pullout is also stupid. It doesn't give the network or the affiliates the ability to change their minds if the game situations make that the right decision for viewers. As it is? If you do NOT elect mandatory pullout, you risk a game which is 45-7 halfway into the 4th quarter at 3:10 and you're forced to watch it to conclusion when the late game is kicking off. If you DO elect it, you run the risk of what happened yesterday.

It's really stupid that the NFL apparently doesn't let the affiliates say, "you know what? We opted to pull out at 3:10, but there's no way we're leaving this game prematurely. We now elect to stay with it to the end." And they can't say"Yeah, we elected to stay with this game to the end, but it's a blowout and the late games are about to kick off. We're switching over now."

Still, while there are some dumb NFL rules that contributed to this fiasco, ultimately the affiliates which are not secondary markets for Dallas CHOSE the pullout ahead of time, so they do bear some responsibility. And to me, at this point, their refusal to accept that responsibility is a worse offense than what happened at 3:10 yesterday.

Oh yes they can. When the Texas went 2-14, there were a couple blowout games her in Central Texas that got pulled during the game to go some other AFC game. There was even a week or two where they didn't show the Texans or the Titans when the Texans were playing.

brakos82
12-05-2011, 03:44 PM
Oh yes they can. When the Texas went 2-14, there were several blowout games her in Central Texas that got pulled during the game to go some other AFC game.

Yeah, that's why I've been hoping the Titans would get blown out while KIRO's busy with Locker and Hasselbeck's jocks.

May be the 1st time I've seen a Steelers game replaced with 2 mediocre teams not named the Seahawks or Raiders. :kitten:

ziggy29
12-05-2011, 03:46 PM
Oh yes they can. When the Texas went 2-14, there were a couple blowout games her in Central Texas that got pulled during the game to go some other AFC game. There was even a weak or two where they didn't show the Texans or the Titans when the Texans were playing.

Hmm. Maybe the pullout is mandatory, but staying with a bad game isn't?

Texans_Chick
12-05-2011, 06:14 PM
Here's the answer. A national Fox decision:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/05/fox-defends-decision-to-turn-off-texans-in-austin-san-antonio/

V Man
12-06-2011, 08:39 AM
Here's the answer. A national Fox decision:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/05/fox-defends-decision-to-turn-off-texans-in-austin-san-antonio/

San Antonio talk radio was talking about it was because the Cowboys are a bigger draw (and they are Cowboy fans), but they said it was still wrong..that they should have stayed the final 8 seconds instead of commerical, and if it went to OT then you break away, in time for the kickoff. Nice to hear some Cowboy fans siding with us on this one.

HTown2ATX
12-06-2011, 10:16 AM
Mike Meltser on 610 is about to discuss this subject in a few minutes after the break....FYI

IDEXAN
12-07-2011, 07:41 AM
"Based on general interest in the Texans and Cowboys in both markets we stand by this decision," Lou D'Ermilio, a FOX Sports spokesman, told ProFootballTalk.com. on Monday. "The Texans rating in Austin was a 12.1, while the Cowboy rating was a 21.7. In San Antonio, the Texans posted a 14.8, while the Cowboys did a 27.9."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cb20a/article/texans-fans-upset-over-foxs-decision-to-go-with-cowboys
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I'll tell you what, there's not as much difference in those ratings as I expected ?
Hey I mean those are big margins (especially in SA), but atleast the Texans are
on the radar. I mean from things I've heard, I thought maybe the ratio might be 4 or 5 to 1 ?

FirstTexansFan
12-07-2011, 08:15 AM
Well those are bogus numbers anyway... the Texans had a game on CBS in competition with them... the LastAss Sowboys were the lone game that afternoon.

Blake
12-07-2011, 08:24 AM
Same thing happened to my crew down in Port Aransas this weekend. Cut away with 8 seconds left to see 2 white dudes talking to eachother. I wasnt at home so I couldnt switch over to check Sunday Ticket... - Mandatory Kickoff Markets's is a dumb rule that needs to be modified.

HTown2ATX
12-07-2011, 09:37 AM
"Based on general interest in the Texans and Cowboys in both markets we stand by this decision," Lou D'Ermilio, a FOX Sports spokesman, told ProFootballTalk.com. on Monday. "The Texans rating in Austin was a 12.1, while the Cowboy rating was a 21.7. In San Antonio, the Texans posted a 14.8, while the Cowboys did a 27.9."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cb20a/article/texans-fans-upset-over-foxs-decision-to-go-with-cowboys
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I'll tell you what, there's not as much difference in those ratings as I expected ?
Hey I mean those are big margins (especially in SA), but atleast the Texans are
on the radar. I mean from things I've heard, I thought maybe the ratio might be 4 or 5 to 1 ?

Here's what I think.....

I realized last night though that the argument about ratings is false IMO. YOu get ratings AFTER a program is shown. Here in Austin (and I assume San Antonio as well) FOX had the double header.......so ANY football was on FOX after 3:15pm....people did not have a choice to watch something else so they therefore had a captive audience = higher ratings.

IMO, the Texans game also had PITT - CIN on CBS to compete with thereby "Ross Perot-ing" ratings away from the Texans game. Cowboys on FOX had NO competition so ANY football fans of ANY team were watching it.

I would love to see this brought up to that schmuck FOX Sports CEO guy in the PFT.com article.


:twocents:

BlueSteel
12-07-2011, 05:12 PM
Same thing happened to my crew down in Port Aransas this weekend. Cut away with 8 seconds left to see 2 white dudes talking to eachother. I wasnt at home so I couldnt switch over to check Sunday Ticket... - Mandatory Kickoff Markets's is a dumb rule that needs to be modified.

I still do not understand how the entire state of Texas was a mandatory kickoff area for the Cowboys. I live in DFW so I understood why the game was cut here. It makes no sense that the last 8 seconds had to be cut in Austin and San Antonio.

spurstexanstros
12-07-2011, 06:28 PM
bottom line i freaking hate the Cowboys and their d-baggery of a fan base

Note this is a generalization and not to be taken personally. I was at Reliant last year so Im done being politcal with them.. and live in SA with alot of the most obnoxious cowboy fans so...yeah I have all the evidence i need. I know there is one or two nice and polite Cowboy fans and im not talkin about you,but in general I dont like them. I dont buy a damn thing those Cowboy lovin tv guys say.
They are what is keepin SA from getting a team....but oh well Im over all this mess. OUR FREAKIN TEAM IN 9-3 ...thats all that matters.