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Davis37
04-27-2005, 05:36 PM
I know that its too early too really have a good idea, but how good do you think our new defense will be?

Davis37
04-27-2005, 05:45 PM
i guess im gonna have to keep posting in here to keep it near the top of the list.

WildBlackBear32
04-27-2005, 06:22 PM
11-15. Closer to 15 though.

TMac48
04-27-2005, 06:38 PM
16-20. Im thinking 19-20. The amount of speed we now have makes me excited. But with all the new players coming in and the changes in position, their will be a learning curve.

Davis37
04-27-2005, 07:12 PM
looks like some of us think we are gonna be alot better this year... Or could they just be homers? :hmmm:

WildBlackBear32
04-27-2005, 08:25 PM
looks like some of us think we are gonna be alot better this year... Or could they just be homers? :hmmm:

We were 15th in points allowed last year. We got faster with Greenwood and PB. Younger with Glenn and Sharper cut. PB has better mitts for INTs than Glenn(but isnt as good as a cover guy when he isnt on). Babin, Dunta and Earl all have another year of experience. Wong is moving back to the position he should be playing.

Davis37
04-27-2005, 08:55 PM
We were 15th in points allowed last year. We got faster with Greenwood and PB. Younger with Glenn and Sharper cut. PB has better mitts for INTs than Glenn(but isnt as good as a cover guy when he isnt on). Babin, Dunta and Earl all have another year of experience. Wong is moving back to the position he should be playing.

Im not trying to say that we wont be better, but just cause we are younger/faster doesnt mean that we will be better. If you go by that rule then we should sign Randy Moss to play ILB and he will take us to the superbowl cause he is fast... Younger/faster doesnt mean more skilled. Also, just because Bana, Dunta and Earl are more experienced doesnt always mean they will be better. I think they will, but you can never be sure. I agree that Wong will be put in his true spot (where he played in Minnesota) and hopefully he will strive. Im not trying to be one of those doomsday posters, im just trying to put some reason into some of these homers heads. They think just cause we are younger/faster means that we are going to the promised land or something. Remember we have 4 new people on defense this year. PB is new to our def, Peek has never started, Wong is starting at ILB for the first time with us, and Greenwood is totally new. Hopefully our D can work hard in training camp and come out strong. I sure hope so!

edo783
04-27-2005, 09:04 PM
I think we will be a middle of the pack defense (15-19) and close to an upper 1/3 offense (10-14). That should translate into an 8-8 or 9-7 team with an outside chance at 10-6. That would be close to the playoffs. Probably not there, but close. Progress.

Davis37
04-27-2005, 09:30 PM
Well, if our defense is alot better from the youth/speed we've added then we should go 9-7 10-6, but if they use all their speed to run around like morons and not tackle anybody, at least it will be fun to watch!! :wacko:

F-minus67
04-27-2005, 10:32 PM
I think that the d line will live up to their contracts, the LB corps will be running down play and the secondary will be as good as last year.

jr0ck
04-28-2005, 01:54 AM
11-15, but top 20 almost guaranteed :thumbup ! while youth and speed don't equal skill, they do get you to the person with the ball faster; ie. the quarterback. while our secondary will get beat deep ocassionally, the rush of our front seven will force mistake's (that turn into turnovers) like you won't believe. i think our 'D' will be very disruptive and caper's will get to finally play his style of risk/reward defense. this consist's of blitzes, blitzes and more blitzes to his hearts content. we will be young...but we will be dangerous :cool:

ps. look for babin to play with a chip on his shoulder now that he is comfortable as an NFL starter, he is going to be one bad man next year :thumbup

pps. i think our biggest weakness will be against the run, but we will be adeqaute and hover around 100 yds a game average (+/- 5 yds). with a constant rotation of our big 3 up front, and the LB/DB speed dramatically increased, we will get to the ball carrier quickly and frequently. we have a pretty good diversity in the number of smash mouth guys (babin, payne, walker, smith, peek, d-rob, earl, wong) v wrap up guys (greenwood, PB, faggins, coleman) but the wrap up guys will get run at, and consequently over, ALOT more.

Davis37
04-28-2005, 09:08 AM
Im supprised that 2 people voted for 6-10... We may improve on def this year, but thats a hell of a jump!

beerlover
04-28-2005, 09:20 AM
I seem to remember the defense wearing down from being out on the field too much because the offense was 1 or 2 & out, not sustaining much production and clock eating ability. all the emphasis this off season has been on the defense so while they should be improved possibly top 10 material, the offense will skew the numbers dropping them to around 20.

Funny the defense will hinge in large part to how effective the Texans offesnive line is :whistle:

duece
04-28-2005, 10:27 AM
16-20 lack of a clear cut #2 wr will have the defense on the field way too much. but we are younger/faster..and argueablly more talented. p-buch may not have been in the league a long time but he as shown that given the opputunity he can and will make big plays for you. d-rob is solid top to bottom, i think in another year he will be a consistant pro bowler. you may need to learn a system but denfense is one thing finding the ball, getting to it quickly and making a play when you get there. i think with the defense we have right now we will be able to do that. i say take the reigns off the horses and let them RUN!!!

Davis37
04-28-2005, 10:32 AM
I seem to remember the defense wearing down from being out on the field too much because the offense was 1 or 2 & out, not sustaining much production and clock eating ability. all the emphasis this off season has been on the defense so while they should be improved possibly top 10 material, the offense will skew the numbers dropping them to around 20.

Funny the defense will hinge in large part to how effective the Texans offesnive line is :whistle:

I agree. Our def is dependant on our offense to keep them off the field as much as possible. Last year we had way too many 3 and outs.

I cant believe that some1 actually voted 1-5 on the poll...

wiley2002
04-28-2005, 11:01 AM
1-5 is TOO mu much at this point. 6-10 is still a bit high. I say more along the 11-15 or the 16-20 margin.

z0rpAn
04-28-2005, 11:07 AM
id say 6-10 now, we now have the speed to handle the colts offensive packages, now as long as they show skill in stopping them wed be the one of the few to handle the colts, seems like thats what the office is wanting to beat.

V Man
04-28-2005, 11:15 AM
We were between 20 and 25 last year; so with the increase of speed, and considering the adjustment time for the new players. I think a jump to the 16 to 20 range would be a good step in the right direction. :thumbup

Davis37
04-28-2005, 11:18 AM
We were between 20 and 25 last year; so with the increase of speed, and considering the adjustment time for the new players. I think a jump to the 16 to 20 range would be a good step in the right direction. :thumbup

Thats what I was thinking. 11-15 would be a stretch.

Davis37
04-28-2005, 12:48 PM
We got a pretty close race going on here.

O.G.
04-28-2005, 01:37 PM
I see us being alittle better than middle of the back so on the poll, I'd go with 11-15 with us being 14th.

canadiantexan
04-28-2005, 01:51 PM
16-20 sounds about right (hopefully 16)
I cant believe people voted for 1-5 we improved but 1-5 is just dreaming....it's a nice dream though

dalemurphy
04-28-2005, 01:57 PM
I seem to remember the defense wearing down from being out on the field too much because the offense was 1 or 2 & out, not sustaining much production and clock eating ability. all the emphasis this off season has been on the defense so while they should be improved possibly top 10 material, the offense will skew the numbers dropping them to around 20.

Funny the defense will hinge in large part to how effective the Texans offesnive line is :whistle:

Actually, a bad offense usually helps the defensive statistics, especially if you are talking about total yards. Last year the number one defense in total yards was Washington... In 2003, the number one defense in total yards was the Dallas Cowboys.

I think this year we will have closer to 35 sacks, finish the season around +10 in the turnover ratio, and win time of posession. Those things say a lot more about a defense than total yards does.

Davis37
04-28-2005, 02:04 PM
Actually, a bad offense usually helps the defensive statistics, especially if you are talking about total yards. Last year the number one defense in total yards was Washington... In 2003, the number one defense in total yards was the Dallas Cowboys.

I think this year we will have closer to 35 sacks, finish the season around +10 in the turnover ratio, and win time of posession. Those things say a lot more about a defense than total yards does.

How would a bad offense help def stats??? That means the def is on the field more and giving up more yards.

Mr Shush
04-28-2005, 02:08 PM
I say around the 20 mark. We'll probably turn out to have got better against the pass (more experience for Babin, more playing time for Peek translating to much improved pass-rush while our new speed and quickness at ILB should mean better coverage in the middle) but worse against the run. If Johnson comes in and turns out to be a monster, or if the older guys on the D-line stay healthy and play to their potential, we might be looking at 11-15. Higher than that is La-la Land, especially what with having to play Indy twice and St. Louis, among others (watch out for what Warner can still do now that he actually has someone to throw the ball to).

Davis37
04-28-2005, 06:46 PM
Im supprised we havent had any "chicken littles" vote 31-32 yet

Davis37
04-28-2005, 10:12 PM
If we can get good pressure on the QB this year, we have a chance at getting in the 11-15 range. If not, I think we will be 20-25.

Davis37
04-29-2005, 10:11 AM
still no "chicken littles". thats supprising.

wiley2002
04-29-2005, 10:27 AM
Im supprised we havent had any "chicken littles" vote 31-32 yet still no "chicken littles". thats supprising.
I guess even though people think negative about the Texans they see that this was some sort of an improvement in the long run.

done88
04-29-2005, 11:02 AM
I think the defense will not be as good as last year. Although we have added a little more talent, we have subtracted a lot of unity and heart. They may eventually be better for these additions but next year a bad defense will get worse.

Hervoyel
04-29-2005, 12:24 PM
Im supprised that 2 people voted for 6-10... We may improve on def this year, but thats a hell of a jump!

I'm one of them and yeah, it's optimistic. I think the biggest reason for my optimism is the 2002 defense and how quickly that group came together from nothing and started putting it on other teams. Capers & Co. created a really impressive defense in a short period of time and that defense got left hanging by our lousy offense so often it was a miracle that they looked as good as they did.

Some people might look at that group and say "Yeah but they were a bunch of veterans" and that's certainly a good point. We did have some very good veterans playing for us in year one but that's true today as well. This 2005 version is brand new in several places but you've got a few guys in each group that have years together now.

On the line Walker and Payne have been together a long time and Smith is in his second season. We're incorporating a rookie in the rotation but that's pretty much the extent of our changes.

In the linebacking corp Babin is coming back for year 2 and so is Wong. Peek got some time last year so this isn't new to him. Greenwood is a vet coming from a good defense. Basically I see no reason why these guys won't come together pretty quickly.

Finally in the secondary you're really only talking about a change of one player from last season. Glenn is gone and Buchanon is in. Other than that the secondary is unchanged.

The Texans D is going to pick up where it left off last year but it'll be much more intense and much faster. Walker and Payne will both have very good years. Payne because he'll be healthy again, Walker because TJ scares him and might take his job. More important than all of that stuff above will be the performance of the Texans offense. For the first season in this teams existence the offense will not be the biggest enemy of the defense. I predict that playing with a lead will not be nearly so rare a thing in 2005 as it's been in the past. This year the Texans D is going to get to pin it's ears back for a change.

6-10 I think will happen. Closer to 10 and might miss it by a hair and do an 11-12 but I think it's certainly possible.

chuckm
04-29-2005, 12:52 PM
11 - 15


heckuva lot faster ....