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Texanmike02
11-28-2011, 01:16 AM
Ok so this is about 3 years before I wanted to learn anything about him (and honestly I wanted to learn it once he was safely on another team) but Yates showed a few things today.

I heard on (nfl network maybe) the radio that Schaub calls the runs at the line. We may have seen the first glimpse of that breakdown too. Not sure. If that's the case then maybe this is all lost anyways. Basically what they said is that when its a run schaub gets to the line and directs which way the run goes. Kind of important if you ask me. That said I'll go on and tell you what I think and why I think we should go with Yates.

First, am I the only one that saw him stand in there and deliver a strike? I mean blitz coming up the middle. Right before the half ended. And he threw strikes. Yes its true that he looked tentative at times and didn't make all of the right throws but for my money he made enough.

There will be growing pains, I'm sure. Why not let them happen in Atl/Cincy and see what we've got. Lets face it, the ceiling on this team with Favre, Garcia or anyone else is not very high. Second, if this kid can play there isn't much film on him. That actually works to our advantage. On top of that, if there is something to work with there, it will show up. Go ahead, sign Garcia or Clemons or Croyle, but roll with this kid.

Now here's why. Franchises like the Browns, they have been waiting for years for a QB like that. Yeah I know, it was two passes. Maybe I'm looking too far. Look. Maybe he doesn't have all of the tools, I can't answer that for sure but if you ask me Manning and Leaf weren't all that different physically. Both were physical specimens with rocket arms. There was though, something that makes Manning Manning and Leaf Cryin' Ryan. The reason that Croyle is at home isn't that he doesn't have the tools. He doesn't have that stand in the pocket in the face of the blitz and deliver a strike. You want to see the difference? Look at the Jags. Gabbert was throwing off of his back foot all day. Even HWWNBN didn't look like that. Yates, he threw the ball sharply and he hung in. He even avoided taking sacks. He was playing with a bunch of guys he doesn't get reps with. You're going to make the playoffs without question. You need to know if Yates will do it because honestly, Garcia, Favre and company, they have had their chance. They are on the decline. The good news for this team is young. Hopefully we can keep the team together, hopefully this isn't a one shot thing.

I say play the kid. Sign someone else and if it looks terrible 5 weeks in go get someone else.

Mike

P.S. I'm not comparing him to Manning. I'm saying that there is a reason, mentally or something that a guy built like Manning (Leaf) is not Manning. That doesn't mean that Yates has all of the tools but he does have a mentality that is probably the reason Croyle is waiting for our call.

Allstar
11-28-2011, 02:47 AM
I think it's time for 76Texan to start a Yates thread...

Playoffs
11-28-2011, 02:47 AM
I don't think we have a choice but to roll with the rook'.

Malloy
11-28-2011, 03:06 AM
I felt encouraged by what I saw from Yates yesterday. A rookie with zero snaps with our first-teamers, replacing the replacement in mid-action showed presence & poise.

One thing I noticed was that he was a bit slower at getting the balls in the air once he decided what to do, IMO the reason for the many incompletions and near-interceptions in the second half. He went through his recieving options, but there was a sec after he decided what to do before the throwing motion started.

Considering that he's a rookie having his NFL debut with very little 'preparation', I think this problem will lessen over time. Give him a week worth of practice with the first teamers, and they should be more on the same page, and hopefully we'll see those throws come out a bit earlier.

Let's see what this rook can do. Go get em' Yates! :)

TimeKiller
11-28-2011, 08:49 AM
I saw it. I saw what you saw Mike. He has a very live arm and some athleticism to boot. How bout that moxy to actually run out of the pocket and try for a first by his own merit? He didn't make it but Schaub or Leinart would've just taken the sack.

For a rookie, 5th roound pick, the guy showed he has some tools to work with. Which way to run isn't a big call. Which side has more blockers and less defenders? Go that way. I can make that call. What I can't do is hang in with a blitz coming and spiral a ball right on target to OD. I suck at spirals.....

Hervoyel
11-28-2011, 09:59 AM
I think you're reading way too much into a very limited amount of snaps (Texanmike).

Having said that there are no other alternatives out there. It's Yates or a flawed street free agent who couldn't get on a roster for the past 12 weeks. Maybe the only possible improvement on that is signing a QB off of someone else's practice squad but Yates still has more immediate upside than that player would.

Graham Harrell? I don't know who else might be out there on a practice squad roster right now but those guys and the street free agents are all that's left to pick from.

So cool, Yates it is. "I love this plan! I'm thrilled to be a part of it! Let's do it!"

76Texan
11-28-2011, 10:13 AM
I think it's time for 76Texan to start a Yates thread...

LOL, I have like 8 hard drives full of games and stuffs, I can't seem to find my notes on Yates.

Don't know how much time I will have, but in short, there wasn't any doubt in my mind when we drafted him that he can be at least a very solid back-up in the WCO since they run pretty much the same thing at UNC.

One thing I can tell you right off hand is that he threw for 400 plus yards against LSU last year and almost led the Tar Heels back from a 20 point deficit in the 4th.
He threw two very catchable in the end zone that would have - or should have - resulted in a winning TD.
He got 3 passes off with 10 seconds left (one completion and those two near-completions.

Oh yeah, he did go against Patrick Peterson until the guy got hurt trying to defend a pass (just before the 10-sec mark mentioned above.)

As any rookie, there are plenty of things Yates needs to work on.
But if there's a late round guy that might blossom into a starter in the NFL, it would be Yates.

Dread-Head
11-28-2011, 10:19 AM
(sigh) I'm sick of this. We've been overlooking the man who can lead this franchise to the big prize for too many years. :trophy: We all know who that man is so we should simply stop kidding ourselves. Bill suit up baby you're going in.

...vugg it. I know you could at least get ONE first down in a quarter and a half with Dreeson and AJ and with Foster and Tate in the backfield.

76Texan
11-28-2011, 10:19 AM
By the way, Yates has at least as much range as Schaub and Leinart as far as the deep ball goes.

I've seen him thrown a ball from a bootleg (in the endzone as the LOS was around the 3-yd line.)
There wasn't a whole lot of room and time for him to set up (he was on the run) so he didn't really step fully into his throw.
The ball went from 2-3 yards inside the endzone to midfield where the receiver caught it in strike and ran all the way for a 97-yd TD.

It was a post route so Yates had to throw it somewhat across his body, making it a longer pass than if he had set up in the pocket.

HJam72
11-28-2011, 10:20 AM
Bill, the only QB in the NFL who completes all his passes while staring at....the cheerleaders. :texflag:

Dread-Head
11-28-2011, 10:22 AM
Bill, the only QB in the NFL who completes all his passes while staring at....the cheerleaders. :texflag:

THANK YOU! His time is now! Where the hell is our new QB?:texflag:

beerlover
11-28-2011, 10:28 AM
THANK YOU! His time is now! Where the hell is our new QB?:texflag:

I think his season is finished @ USC since his team is on probation. Too bad Texans couldn't just go sign him & bring him in now :htown2atx:

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/matt-barkley-joe-montana.jpg

Texanmike02
11-28-2011, 10:44 AM
I think you're reading way too much into a very limited amount of snaps (Texanmike).

Having said that there are no other alternatives out there. It's Yates or a flawed street free agent who couldn't get on a roster for the past 12 weeks. Maybe the only possible improvement on that is signing a QB off of someone else's practice squad but Yates still has more immediate upside than that player would.

Graham Harrell? I don't know who else might be out there on a practice squad roster right now but those guys and the street free agents are all that's left to pick from.

So cool, Yates it is. "I love this plan! I'm thrilled to be a part of it! Let's do it!"

No, I agree with you that it is a very small sample size. I'm not saying that he can even play. He might have physical limitations that we can't see yet, I'm right there with you on that. All I know is I watched Gabbert side arm and shrink away from pressure and that's with half a season of starts. I saw Yates 4th pass attempt in the NFL in a game that he was expecting to be looking at a few pictures while his helmet held down some papers on the sidelines stand in the face of pressure and deliver the ball. No break down in mechanics, no putting his head down or shrinking from the pressure. That is something that you can't teach. You can't coach it. Either you have that or you don't. Now we need to find out if he has the rest of the tools. Like you said. No better options.

Mike

Playoffs
11-28-2011, 11:23 AM
As any rookie, there are plenty of things Yates needs to work on. But if there's a late round guy that might blossom into a starter in the NFL, it would be Yates.
Looked to me like he was a full step or more late on getting the ball out on some throws in 2nd half to the primary receiver???

EVOLVIST
11-28-2011, 12:27 PM
Looked to me like he was a full step or more late on getting the ball out on some throws in 2nd half to the primary receiver???

Yeah, he's tentative. He threw some of those balls away when he didn't need to.

Most of the plays in the first half he didn't look tentative at all, however, so I'm sure Kubes told him something in halftime.

Otherwise, if this kid pans out, we'll have to give big props to Knapp for working with him, because while Lienart's footwork looked the same as it did in pre-season, Yates' footwork was greatly improved...and dare I say better than Schaub, too.

That, along with Yates going through his progressions nicely (besides not reading a wide open KW on one play), gave me a little hope.

But, I'll repeat, unless a QB for this team can start slinging the ball around, opposing coaches are going to use that game tape on Lienart and think that even in the best of circumstances the Texans are going to dink and dunk, killing our running game.

ObsiWan
11-28-2011, 12:39 PM
No, I agree with you that it is a very small sample size. I'm not saying that he can even play. He might have physical limitations that we can't see yet, I'm right there with you on that. All I know is I watched Gabbert side arm and shrink away from pressure and that's with half a season of starts. I saw Yates 4th pass attempt in the NFL in a game that he was expecting to be looking at a few pictures while his helmet held down some papers on the sidelines stand in the face of pressure and deliver the ball. No break down in mechanics, no putting his head down or shrinking from the pressure. That is something that you can't teach. You can't coach it. Either you have that or you don't. Now we need to find out if he has the rest of the tools. Like you said. No better options.

Mike

The word you seek is "'nads". Yates seems to have 'em. Let's see if he's got smarts to go with 'em.

ObsiWan
11-28-2011, 12:42 PM
Looked to me like he was a full step or more late on getting the ball out on some throws in 2nd half to the primary receiver???

But the question is, was that due to indecisiveness (not 100% sure of his reads) or being more used to fpractice speed vs. full Sunday game speed?

thunderkyss
11-28-2011, 04:33 PM
I saw Yates ... stand in the face of pressure and deliver the ball. No break down in mechanics, no putting his head down or shrinking from the pressure. That is something that you can't teach. You can't coach it. Either you have that or you don't. Now we need to find out if he has the rest of the tools. Like you said. No better options.

Mike

Everybody has that until he learns better. A person can only take so many hits, either they learn how to beat a pass rush or they learn how to become a back up. Jury is out on Yates, his time is coming.

Playoffs
11-29-2011, 04:24 PM
But the question is, was that due to indecisiveness (not 100% sure of his reads) or being more used to practice speed vs. full Sunday game speed?And that's the $64,000 question -- where's 76Texan?

76Texan
11-29-2011, 04:58 PM
Looked to me like he was a full step or more late on getting the ball out on some throws in 2nd half to the primary receiver???

I don't think so, asleep!

I was wanting to look at the plays closer (several times) before coming to a conclusion.
Now that I had the chance, I think he was hardly late on his throw (or read).
Of course, this is only my observation.

There are different reasons as to why certain throws looked late:
CB held up AJ (a little - within the legal 5-yd limit) on one play for example; waiting for OD to clear a LB underneath (so that the ball wouldn't be batted down) on another play, etc.

Playoffs
11-29-2011, 05:01 PM
I don't think so, asleep!...Okay, good. Thanks.

CloakNNNdagger
11-29-2011, 05:10 PM
but, i'll repeat, unless a qb for this team can start slinging the ball around, opposing coaches are going to use that game tape on lienart and think that even in the best of circumstances the texans are going to dink and dunk, killing our running game.

^^^^^^this

Grams
11-29-2011, 06:59 PM
I actually feel more confident with TJ as QB than I was with Leinart.

It seems they were just going through the motions with Leinart, knowing he would just dink and dunk the ball 3-4 yards to Foster. When TJ came in there seemed to be a little spark in the offense at the end of the half. Kubiak went very basic in the second half. He will not be able to be basic against the Falcons. He will have to open the playbook.

I seem to remember a pre-season game where Leinart was just average. Then TJ came in and took the offense down the field. Don't remember which game as I have slept several times since then. But TJ seems to have the confidence and the ability to take this team to the playoffs.

Leinart just seems like he would really rather be on the sidelines that actually playing. Maybe because there is no hot tub on the field.

I think TJ will surprise a lot of people this weekend.

Goatcheese
11-29-2011, 07:08 PM
I have some morbid desire to see what Favre looks like in a Texans uniform. Battle Red Trainwreck at Reliant.

Do it!

I want to see Brett out there with his old man cain and colostomy bag yelling at defenders to "gid off m' porch!" Then procede to throw a pick into triple coverage which results in him bragging to the cheerleaders about how that spiral really sizzled. Who cares where it went, look at it go!

ObsiWan
11-29-2011, 07:19 PM
I have some morbid desire to see what Favre looks like in a Texans uniform. Battle Red Trainwreck at Reliant.

Do it!

I want to see Brett out there with his old man cain and colostomy bag yelling at defenders to "gid off m' porch!" Then procede to throw a pick into triple coverage which results in him bragging to the cheerleaders about how that spiral really sizzled. Who cares where it went, look at it go!

:mcnugget:

you, sir, are a very twisted person.
:wacko:

for your own sake, seek professional help...

...Hurry
:cow:

drs23
11-29-2011, 08:26 PM
I have some morbid desire to see what Favre looks like in a Texans uniform. Battle Red Trainwreck at Reliant.

Do it!

I want to see Brett out there with his old man cain and colostomy bag yelling at defenders to "gid off m' porch!" Then procede to throw a pick into triple coverage which results in him bragging to the cheerleaders about how that spiral really sizzled. Who cares where it went, look at it go!

'cak's not gonna like this. :D

Texanmike02
12-11-2011, 04:15 PM
Ok so this is about 3 years before I wanted to learn anything about him (and honestly I wanted to learn it once he was safely on another team) but Yates showed a few things today.

I heard on (nfl network maybe) the radio that Schaub calls the runs at the line. We may have seen the first glimpse of that breakdown too. Not sure. If that's the case then maybe this is all lost anyways. Basically what they said is that when its a run schaub gets to the line and directs which way the run goes. Kind of important if you ask me. That said I'll go on and tell you what I think and why I think we should go with Yates.

First, am I the only one that saw him stand in there and deliver a strike? I mean blitz coming up the middle. Right before the half ended. And he threw strikes. Yes its true that he looked tentative at times and didn't make all of the right throws but for my money he made enough.

There will be growing pains, I'm sure. Why not let them happen in Atl/Cincy and see what we've got. Lets face it, the ceiling on this team with Favre, Garcia or anyone else is not very high. Second, if this kid can play there isn't much film on him. That actually works to our advantage. On top of that, if there is something to work with there, it will show up. Go ahead, sign Garcia or Clemons or Croyle, but roll with this kid.

Now here's why. Franchises like the Browns, they have been waiting for years for a QB like that. Yeah I know, it was two passes. Maybe I'm looking too far. Look. Maybe he doesn't have all of the tools, I can't answer that for sure but if you ask me Manning and Leaf weren't all that different physically. Both were physical specimens with rocket arms. There was though, something that makes Manning Manning and Leaf Cryin' Ryan. The reason that Croyle is at home isn't that he doesn't have the tools. He doesn't have that stand in the pocket in the face of the blitz and deliver a strike. You want to see the difference? Look at the Jags. Gabbert was throwing off of his back foot all day. Even HWWNBN didn't look like that. Yates, he threw the ball sharply and he hung in. He even avoided taking sacks. He was playing with a bunch of guys he doesn't get reps with. You're going to make the playoffs without question. You need to know if Yates will do it because honestly, Garcia, Favre and company, they have had their chance. They are on the decline. The good news for this team is young. Hopefully we can keep the team together, hopefully this isn't a one shot thing.

I say play the kid. Sign someone else and if it looks terrible 5 weeks in go get someone else.

Mike

P.S. I'm not comparing him to Manning. I'm saying that there is a reason, mentally or something that a guy built like Manning (Leaf) is not Manning. That doesn't mean that Yates has all of the tools but he does have a mentality that is probably the reason Croyle is waiting for our call.

Yes, that sound you hear is me patting myself on the back. Guys, THIS GUY HAS "IT".

Mike